EPISODE 576： THE SPEAKER BATTLE ROYAL HAS BEGUN!
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On today's episode of Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec, Jack takes a deep dive into the chaos that is the search for a new House Speaker, and why it's so important that the next Speaker is someone who can unite the conference and unify the conservative movement.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Poso.
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What changed your mind to say, I want to be speaker?
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You need someone who can unite the conference, and I think just as importantly, unite the conservative
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To the decision that impacts tens of thousands of Americans carrying student loans.
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The Biden administration canceling an additional $9 billion in debt just days after repayments
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started up again for this first time in three years.
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Well, the uncertainty surrounding House leadership means every other agenda item will have to wait
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And that includes a deal on U.S. funding for the war in Ukraine.
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Yesterday, President Biden expressed his concern over the issue.
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But I know there are a majority of members of the House and Senate and both parties who have said
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The Biden administration's waiving dozens of federal laws to build a border wall in South Texas.
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It's the first time the administration's used this type of executive power.
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I have no advice to give to House Republicans except one.
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I hope whoever the next speaker is gets rid of the motion to vacate.
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A small band of MAGA extremists plunged Congress into pandemonium.
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For the first time in history, the speaker has been removed from his position at the hands
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily
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with Jack Posobiec live, Washington, D.C., breaking down all the craziness.
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Ladies and gentlemen, today is October 5th, 2023.
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I know, Dominique, and I'm here to tell you that Donald J. Trump
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That Donald J. Trump himself is considering a visit to Capitol Hill.
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Now, does it actually mean that Donald Trump might become speaker?
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We now know that I can tell you right now the two current leads, Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise.
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Steve Scalise, of course, more the establishment pick, not really a MAGA guy,
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also somebody who is facing a lot of health difficulties of his own.
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Jim Jordan, a guy who's seen as more MAGA, but Jim Jordan, also someone who's seen as a good talker,
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but not someone who has a great track record of delivery.
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This is why the grassroots must understand that we have a new tactic.
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We have a new tactic on our hands to hold leadership accountable.
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Either you comply with defunding the deep state,
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with actually doing something about the weaponization of the DOJ against conservatives.
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The FBI is out there leaking their own press releases to Newsweek,
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saying that they've started a task force specifically targeting Trump supporters.
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Not people that are going and forming militias, actually starting Trump supporters.
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Now, understand, the FBI and the Biden administration leaked that to try to bait you.
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Are you willing to actually do what needs to be done?
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If you're not, the motion to vacate, the MTV, it's going to be deployed against you again.
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And so either you comply or you get out of the way.
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Once the nuclear option has been done, it's on the table and it can be done again and again and again.
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So the real question is for Jim Jordan, for Steve Scalise, for anybody else who wants to be speaker,
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are you going to deliver or are we going to have to make you disappear again?
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We've got Gavin Wax coming with us and then a special interview.
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Now, since we're talking about this speaker fight, we're hearing that President Trump is
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I want to bring on a Republican official, in a sense, if you will, Gavin Wax, who is
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the head of the New York Young Republican Club, as much as so many of the other URUG
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We've got this situation where Scalise and Jordan are sort of the two frontrunners.
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He's next in the line, has some medical issues, right, serious medical issues that could potentially
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At the same time, he's seen as very establishment.
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Jim Jordan is seen as someone who is more grassrootsy, more MAGA.
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But I would say, and I say this with respect, there are questions about his track record when
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They say he's never delivered from Fast and Furious, Benghazi, all the way forward.
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Then you have President Trump potentially coming in.
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What I would say is what he's going to do is he's using this potential of Trump to become
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Speaker of the House himself as leverage over the rest of the party.
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He's actually exerting his leadership as leader of the Republican Party.
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And to that same vein, we now have essentially this new MAGA nuclear option, the command by
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negation, whereby in regardless of who gets in, there's nothing really to stop Matt Gaetz
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from doing this again if they do not agree to the terms.
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I think Jordan, obviously, is the more anti-establishment of the candidates being put forward.
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It looks like they're coalescing around either Scalise or Jordan.
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Obviously, Scalise is a continuation of the good old boys.
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He has been, you know, next in line, heir apparent.
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I still think as a baseline, changing leadership, no matter who ends up replacing, still sets
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good precedent, which is why this motion to vacate is so powerful, because it's going
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to put whoever comes in next on their toes and force them to be held accountable.
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But certainly, if we were to get a Speaker, Jordan, that would be a massive win.
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It would be a massive change in Republican leadership, a massive change in the right direction,
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I would add, even while agreeing that, you know, maybe some things on the deliverables
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He certainly would be a monumental shift and change for the better in terms of rhetoric,
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Now, listen, President Trump becoming Speaker, is it going to happen?
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I mean, frankly, even though he has somewhere north of 60, 65 percent plus of the Republican
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primary electorate under his fingers, that does not translate into the Republican House
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conference, which just goes to show how, you know, divided the party leadership and the
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party electeds are from the actual grassroots Republican voters.
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The vast majority of the Republican Party love Trump, want him to be the leader, want him
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to be president again, and frankly, would probably support him for speaker, but he probably would
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Let's let's do a few rounds with Trump in the mix.
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I would love to see on record who votes, who doesn't, who supports him, who doesn't.
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And listen, I think people like our friend Steve Bannon have put forward, you know, the
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You know, everyone can start fighting and, you know, chasing after the gavel.
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Give him, you know, 100, 200 days, whatever he needs, clean up House, you know, cut funds
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to the DOJ, the FBI, issue subpoenas, all the rest, the power of the gavel.
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And I think our whole country would be in a much better place.
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But in all seriousness, I think we're going to be up for a big fight in the weeks ahead.
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I think this is going to go on for quite some time.
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But I love that President Trump is seizing the moment, heading down.
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And frankly speaking, if this battle continues on and we can't settle on a speaker, I think
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the chances of a Trump speakership continue to rise marginally with every passing day.
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I think we're in good shape for the future of the party, thanks to the motion to vacate
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and the courageous leadership of Congressman Gates.
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Well, I have to say, though, it really is Donald Trump exerting himself.
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And by the way, if you notice, has lost no political capital whatsoever since starting
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And so not a single, you notice, even in leadership, right?
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So you'll hear these guys, they're popping off now.
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And there's going to be a huge anti-Gaetz campaign, well-funded.
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People are coming up with all these crazy ex-girlfriend type stories about him.
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You notice not a single one of these guys is dare speak out against Donald Trump.
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Show me any other Republican contender right now that could do something so brazen and
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Trump, he does it without even thinking because he knows where the bodies lie.
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And so when Trump comes in there, I think what he's doing is you're seeing a classic example
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of the art of the deal, where he's setting the initial, right?
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He's setting his initial bid as extremely high, saying, I will be speaker.
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And of course, the danger then is that if he starts putting that up on Truth Social, if
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he starts pumping that out over text message to his massive email audience, all the followers
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that he has in the party, the tens of millions, right, he could destroy anyone's chances of
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being speaker overnight with a couple of tweets from his thumb.
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And so essentially what he's saying is the next speaker isn't a decision that's made by
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And I think we need that kind of leadership because this party has lacked it.
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It's been driven by these unnamed, unseen party hacks behind the scenes.
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I'd much rather this power be concentrated in Donald Trump.
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And his heart is behind the American people and this country.
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So I have absolutely no problem with him playing, you know, party boss, with him playing, you
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And I think with this chaos, that's the word that everyone's using, chaos, that he can step
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in and really force real change in a positive direction.
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And, you know, maybe he doesn't fully run, but maybe he gets behind someone once things
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begin to coalesce more and the battle lines are more defined.
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But ultimately, I think we're having these discussions and these are good discussions
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And these establishment hacks you were talking about, they're about to go on the counter offensive
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I'm sure that, I mean, their gaslighting was off the charts.
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These people were coming out saying, how dare Democrats vote with these with these turncoat
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They had no problem with all these Democrats voting for the for the continuing resolution
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All their talking points are just conjured up on the spot out of convenience.
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These are guys that will vote with the Dems, a huge portion of their voting record.
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And then they'll they'll cry foul when you vote with the Dems to take out a speaker that
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everyone has felt has failed in his duties and in his, well, the ultimate, you know, backstabbed,
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you know, in terms of his his commitments and his promises back in January.
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I'd simply say that the ultimate voting with the Dems is Ukraine funding.
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If you were for Ukraine funding and you're attacking someone for voting with the Dems against
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the interests of your own constituents, then I'd really question whether or not you're serious
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about that, because if you are, then that's great.
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Then join us in standing up to funding and another endless war.
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Join us in standing up towards funding of another cause that has nothing to do with direct effects
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Talk about how Nord Stream 2 is actually not completely disabled, how one of the pipelines
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is open, how they can keep the spice flowing.
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Again, this is not a fight that the United States needs right now.
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This is not a fight that the United States wants right now.
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I'm much more concerned with the existential threat of China's, particularly on the military
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on the excuse me, on the economic vice, the military side.
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But if we're going to pick two fights with two great powers in the world at the same time,
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then we're going to run directly into John Mearsheimer's warning.
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So please, please, House Republicans, if you want to stand up against Ukraine funding and
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actually be against the Democrats, then yes, I implore you, join us.
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But first, you're going to have to make a deal with Donald Trump.
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Gavin Wax, we're speaking with him about handicapping the speaker's race, but also talking about
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how Donald Trump has been able to maneuver himself to the center of it.
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Now, Gavin, here's an interesting take that I don't think anyone has pointed out yet.
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We're told that Governor Ron DeSantis is this waiting in the wings leader of the Republican
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Party, and yet you've seen no endorsement from DeSantis.
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You've seen no real leadership whatsoever on this question of the speakership.
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In fact, I think I'm probably the first person anywhere that's even pointed this out.
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I doubt that anyone in his campaign, which they're currently having to turn all of their
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headquarters staff into field staff in Iowa because they can't afford to hire anyone
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locally, do they even realize that the fact that nobody cares who DeSantis' pick is shows
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their complete lack of political capital and influence over the party right now?
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I would hope they would recognize that, Jack, but I think they're so deluded and, you know,
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believing their own lies and their own narratives that they can't even see the truth right in
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I mean, the fact of the matter is he wasn't the maverick that everyone's claiming he is.
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He didn't come out on this issue, whether, you know, supporting McCarthy or against McCarthy.
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He's kind of just waited in the sidelines trying to see, you know, how things unfold.
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And frankly, most of, you know, what he says comes through the mouths, not of his own, but
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of his surrogates and his online influencers and his, you know, paid influencer industrial
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And the commentary we've seen from these folks has largely been, you know, finding a way
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to spin this to attack Trump, say, oh, you know, Trump originally picked McCarthy and
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They actually aren't giving any value to the discussion.
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They're not adding anything unique or an interesting take.
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In fact, I've seen them sort of lean towards, you know, praising McCarthy and defending the
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establishment talking points, primarily because I guess the ringleader, if you will, of this
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ousting was a congressman, Congressman Gates, who had endorsed President Trump.
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So I think that's the only guiding principle that they even have right now.
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We'll just do whatever is the opposite of Trump or the opposite of Trump's broader world
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But even if there was, no one is looking to Governor DeSantis for leadership on this
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And people are forgetting about him every day this campaign goes on.
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So it's a sad state of affairs for the once promising political future of the Florida governor.
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But he has only himself to blame, his consultants to blame, and his inner circle who have totally
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destroyed his future political capital on this vanity project, which has really turned
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into a disaster of a presidential campaign of epic proportions.
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At this point, Gavin, I would say that Ron DeSantis is probably a few primary points.
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At this point, I would say Ron is a few percentage points away from primarying Joe Biden on switch.
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And maybe giving that a shot now that RFK is out of the race.
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Just go ahead and switch and try your luck over there.
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But really, what I would sum it up as is he took a guy who, at the end of last year, had
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all this political capital built up, had a huge victory in the gubernatorial race.
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And I don't mean this to dump on him because it's really not my intention here.
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His campaign has become politically irrelevant.
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And it's amazing to see that here we are just 10 months away, or excuse me, 10 months
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from him really taking that victory last year and now to have become basically someone that
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if we were not talking about him right now, I don't even think he'd be in the conversation.
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I remember conversations that you and I had talking about how we hoped that Ron DeSantis
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would go on to be this sort of heir apparent for the party, for the movement, how he was
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a great leader, how we supported him when he was in the office.
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That's why I think it's so funny when people bring up these tweets.
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And OK, I'm definitely going on the tangent now where it's like, oh, you said something
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Don't turn and turn your horns on the guy that put you in office.
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Let Trump come back, have his response to Biden.
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No, no, you're you're you're right on the money.
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I mean, I've been on the receiving end of those same attacks.
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I mean, most of MAGA was once very complimentary of the governor and very supportive of the
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governor and vice versa, by the way, and vice versa, vice versa.
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And, you know, they'll bring up these old tweets and share them as if it matters or
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And I would say, yeah, it means that you guys have really lost a lot of support and burn
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a lot and burnt a lot of bridges since the end of last year where he peaked.
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He peaked in December of last year and he's collapsed since then.
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And honestly, President Trump is right to make this about loyalty.
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His entire political career, being Ron DeSantis, was owed to President Trump.
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President Trump elevated him from losing a primary.
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He elevated him from losing a general election.
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He created a political environment, a political realignment in Florida that Ron DeSantis was
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And Trump is so right to hit him on loyalty because people are sick of the status quo.
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They're sick of these usual politicians who are driven by consultants, by their ambition,
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And they look at things like loyalty and they look at things like how you're going to treat
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someone like Donald Trump and how you're going to repay him for all he's done for you.
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And they see him completely backstab the president and they say, this is not a guy that I view with
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This is not a guy that I see a lot of great character traits and not someone I want to rally
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And you could argue about that till you're blue in the face.
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All of these things are adding up and showing that this is a campaign in decline.
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They're burning through cash like you've never seen before.
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Trump's numbers, excluding the PAC, excluding the super PAC, are phenomenal with his cash on
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It's primarily from small dollar donors, not the big donors, not the fat cats like Ron
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DeSantis has been roveling to, where most of his campaign events are actually just, you
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We can continue to pick apart his campaign and people will pick apart his campaign for
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And again, I reiterate, he was a good governor.
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There were a lot of things that MAGA complimented him on, but the rhetoric, the tone, the viciousness,
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the smears, the attacks that his entire, you know, expanded campaign have waged on MAGA
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And we're no longer talking about him being a contender in 2028.
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I, he's holding a rally right now in, in Tampa, Florida.
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And, uh, I know someone who's there just sent me a picture.
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I don't know if you can get it up in time, but it's, it's, it's like 50 people in his
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And it's just, well, and, and, and I have to say this, Gavin, what, here's what gets
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me and we have a couple of minutes left is this, this brazenness to claim, to falsely
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claim that he is the man who turned Florida red all by himself to take full credit for
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one of Donald Trump's greatest victories for take, to take full credit for Donald Trump
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remaking the political geography of the United States, uh, by going in and bringing so many
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Hispanics, Cubans, Venezuelans over, particularly in Florida, Puerto Ricans over to the Republican
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side, this idea that Ron DeSantis solely is responsible for this.
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And that, by the way, Rubio almost also won by almost 20 points in the exact same year
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who had faced, by the way, a very, a very more, much more credible challenger, uh, than,
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you know, the Charlie and spent less money and, and was way overspent, way overspent almost,
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I think it was like 75 million to 50 million, something like that.
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And so this idea that Ron DeSantis is solely, I'm not going to say that he doesn't deserve
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any credit, but this idea of I'm running around, oh, I did it all by myself.
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It's just, it strikes me as, and it's, it's funny because these are the same people who
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call Donald Trump, the world's greatest narcissist.
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The first time Trump ran versus the first time DeSantis ran, Trump had like 650,000 more votes.
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For both of their reelection, Trump presidential and DeSantis' gubernatorial, Trump got a million
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So the raw vote totals in both elections were higher.
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Obviously, most of his money was spread around the country, a fraction compared to what DeSantis
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By that same metric, you would have people like Larry Hogan or people like Charlie Baker being
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presidential contenders because both of them flipped blue states by incredible margins
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Everyone forgets the last two cycles before 2016, before Trump flipped Florida, it had gone
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But to take full credit just goes to show to the narcissistic angle and to the lack
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Producer Faz tested it yesterday, said it worked.
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I want to bring on now our next guest, Republican presidential strategist and political strategist,
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Roger, you were here on Human Events Daily a couple of months ago and you told us and
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and you were you were you got some pushback and some criticism for this statement when
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you said that Governor DeSantis's campaign would be out of money by October.
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But, you know, it seemed like it seemed to fly in the face of conventional wisdom because
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However, here we are, Q3, and we've got the numbers all coming in.
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And it shows that Governor DeSantis's campaign currently only has five million dollars cash
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To put that in perspective for people, five million dollars is a mid to low tier congressional
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This is nowhere near the amount of money that you would need to spend for a nationwide campaign.
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Well, unfortunately, as you know, I am, first of all, a veteran of 13 national Republican
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But from the beginning, Governor Ron DeSantis chose to run a front runners campaign when he
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Look, in 1976, when I was working for Ronald Reagan, there were times when Governor and Mrs.
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Reagan flew commercial to save money in their campaign.
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The DeSantis's have never flown other than in a private jet.
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So their expectation level politically was out of control.
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And then I even factored in the layoffs, the multiple reboots.
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And I still recalculated that at their rate of spend, even with those reductions, they
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would essentially be out of out of gas, out of money in October.
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So they're no longer on the ground in Nevada or no longer on the ground in New Hampshire,
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no longer on the ground any place other than Iowa.
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Yet the latest poll information from Iowa continues to indicate Donald Trump has not only a huge
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So the disciplines for Trump are quite different.
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The votes already exist for him to win the Iowa caucuses.
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All he has to do is identify them and turn them out.
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Today, the votes do not exist for Ron DeSantis to win the Iowa caucuses.
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He would first have to convert people, tell people who he is, convert them and get their
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This is a campaign that has been a dumpster fire from the beginning.
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He's holding a rally in Tampa right now in Tampa, Florida.
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We've got someone who's there sent me a picture.
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And I can't count more than 50 people in this picture.
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How do you have a guy who admittedly is is one on a pretty popular ticket just a few
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Well, there's I think there's a lot of factors here.
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First of all, taking the measure of the Florida Republican presidential primary in the immediate
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aftermath of the gubernatorial race means that all of that paid media, television, radio,
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cable, cable, digital that was used to push the governor's reelection was still fresh in
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So he actually at one point had a lead over President Trump.
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As the memory of that multimillion dollar spending has receded and also as President Trump's campaign
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has been turbocharged by the tsunami of lawfare against him, completely unforeseeable, but
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The more he is attacked in the judicial system, the stronger and deeper his support grows.
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Donald Trump has pulled out to a long lead here in the sunshine state.
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Now, if I were Governor DeSantis, I would be looking for a a a comfortable way out of
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this race because he's not going to break through.
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I must tell you, Jack, I did not think in the beginning that voters cared about things
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like loyalty and history and the fact that Donald Trump was single handedly responsible
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I thought that was kind of inside folks in Iowa certainly didn't know it, nor folks in
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That character does matter to voters in this instance.
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And I think just that act of treachery, that act of backstabbing has hurt the governor very
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Combine that with the fact that he paid a million dollars to the Speaker of the House, essentially
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funneling it to his PAC in return for a change of Florida state law that allows Ron DeSantis
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alone to be the only state elected official who doesn't have to resign while running for
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To Floridians, this whole thing began to stink some time ago.
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No, it seems that is borne out because you've seen this again.
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Let me ask you this, and we've got a couple of minutes and then we'll take a break.
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Does the governor, what does the governor's political future look like this?
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Let's say he comes in second in Iowa, makes it to New Hampshire, comes in second.
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But New Hampshire, he's currently running third or fourth.
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So let's say the money runs out by New Hampshire.
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Let's say somehow by a wing and a prayer, he's able to stay until then, comes out of the
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And Florida only allows a governor to serve for two terms.
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I have predicted that his wife, Casey DeSantis, will run for governor in his stead.
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There's no presumption that she would be an automatic front runner.
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I think they are too addicted to the money, too addicted to the acclaim, too addicted to
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the private jets and the fancy resorts and the five-star hotels.
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So I stand by my prediction that she will be a candidate for governor.
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But that doesn't necessarily mean that she's a winner.
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I think that the governor has done substantial damage to his political brand.
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And as the state has an insurance crisis and as the state has a utility rate crisis and
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as the state has a malaria crisis, there is a growing sense that the governor is MIA.
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Believe me, they are back to pushing CRT in the public schools.
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And again, I'll still say, as I said to Gavin Wax before he came on, Roger, I think he's
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had a fairly good record as governor of Florida.
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I would like would have liked to see him continue that rather than continue on this quest.
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Our exclusive interview with Roger Stone continues after the break.
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I want to get Roger's handicap of the speaker's race.
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This tight, close race seems to be all the rage here in Washington, D.C.
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And I'm sure that Roger Stone has some insights for all of us.
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I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
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Roger, there's so much action in Washington, D.C.
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We launched the show with the breaking news that President Trump himself might be making
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a trip from his courtroom appearance in New York down to Capitol Hill for this for the
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My phone's been ringing off the hook from with reporters and politicos.
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And I said, I'll keep my powder dry and I'll do what I think is right for the movement
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Now, what I think President Trump is doing, just to reiterate what I said at the beginning
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I think what he's doing is setting his opening bid high.
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He's establishing himself as the leader of the party.
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He's using his leverage in order to make the next speaker come through him.
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He's showing us that he's the leader of the party.
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Ron DeSantis, of course, is showing us that he's politically irrelevant because nobody's
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Now, that being said, the two, it seems as though the two horses right now that people
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A lot of people getting behind Jordan, but, and I'll just say it publicly, I think Jordan
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has some questions when it comes to his ability to achieve deliverables for the movement.
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He talks a good game, but, you know, there's an expression in, as a wrestler, I'm sure he's
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And so, you know, I think that's really where the chips fall right now.
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But at the same time, because Gates has given us this MAGA nuclear option, the grassroots
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really still have command by negation because whoever gets in there, Gates and the Gates
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block could just do this again if the terms are not bet.
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Well, first of all, a word in defense of Matt Gates.
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There are some in this party who have said that Gates took this courageous action for
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a desire for limelight or to build his own image or to raise money or out of some personal
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He knows he's going to take an enormous amount of incoming from the party establishment and
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But at a time when America sorely needs leadership, he has stepped up and delivered it in spades.
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Secondarily, it doesn't really matter whether the next speaker is Steve Scalise of Louisiana
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or Jim Jordan of Ohio or even Kevin Hearn of Oklahoma if they are going to pursue the same
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What matters here is the agenda of the House Republicans.
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I'm comforted by the fact that Donald Trump is going to be at the table.
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In my heart, of course, I would love to see him become speaker.
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He may be as many as 60 points ahead within the Republican Party.
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He has, I think, broad respect in the party, and he does know how to cobble together a deal.
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So I'm comforted by the fact that he's going to be there.
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It is not easy to take a caucus of 218 Republicans, which does include 18 members whose districts
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were carried by Joe Biden, let's call them moderate or establishment Republicans, as well
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as the gang of eight, the hardcore patriots that brought to us this historic moment, and
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then a broad swath of conservatives in the middle, and come up with a majority.
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And whoever the new speaker is needs to be committed to the same agenda that was required
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of Kevin McCarthy, but he reneged on term limits, reform, and so on.
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Roger, do you view then this Gates option, I call it the MAGA nuclear option, as essentially
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Because essentially, whoever becomes the next speaker, there's nothing to stop Gates from
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Yesterday, I saw Mitch McConnell say he didn't know who the next speaker would be.
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But the first thing the next speaker needs to do is get rid of the ability to make a motion
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If you ever needed proof that that important codicil needs to remain in place, there it
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I think he could have been and can be more aggressive in his pursuit of Hunter Biden.
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The Democrats had no problem subpoenaing people to the January 6th committee, that kabuki theater.
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The Democrats had no problem when they were in control of subpoenaing members of the Trump
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circle and the Trump family and the Trump administration to the House Select Committee on Intelligence.
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Why has nobody with the last name Biden been sent a subpoena looking into the epic corruption
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of Hunter Biden, Jimmy Biden, Joe Biden, and the Biden crime family?
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We seem like we are going slow at a time that the American people need to know.
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And Matt and I haven't spoken about this directly.
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But I said, now, Jordan is currently the head of this weaponization committee.
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If he becomes speaker, you give the weaponization committee two gates, give him full subpoena
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authority, give him full hiring, firing, staffing ability.
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You could bring in Julie Kelly as an investigator, bring in Darren Beattie, make Jeff Clark or Mike
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Davis, the staff attorney, and just let them go hog wild.
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Look, it is time for accountability, but it's also time for us to play the game the way they
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We have now seen, despite what Jerry Nadler or AOC may say, extensive evidence of extortion,
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bribery, racketeering, money laundering, illegal lobbying.
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Let's just say it, treason, multimillion dollar payments from China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania.
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But Jason Smith's done the best job in the Congress because he's actually put these things
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So I like your idea of putting Matt Gaetz in charge of this investigation.
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We may finally learn the truth, which ultimately will lead to articles of impeachment against
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Where can people go to follow you and get into the Stone Zone?
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Or go to StoneZone.com on the weekends, WABCRadio.com from 4 to 6 now on Sunday afternoons.
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Roger Stone, the man who called it, called the shot, took the shot.
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He's been the man in more arenas than we will ever see in our lifetime.
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Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.