Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 576： THE SPEAKER BATTLE ROYAL HAS BEGUN!

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00:00:30.000 We are in a fifth generational conflict.

00:00:38.260 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:44.920 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Poso.

00:00:47.760 Deliver us from evil.

00:00:49.280 What changed your mind to say, I want to be speaker?

00:00:53.100 You need someone who can unite the conference, and I think just as importantly, unite the conservative

00:00:56.900 and Republican movement across this country.

00:00:58.760 Uh, that's what I think I can do.

00:01:00.640 That's why I'm running for the job.

00:01:01.900 To the decision that impacts tens of thousands of Americans carrying student loans.

00:01:06.200 The Biden administration canceling an additional $9 billion in debt just days after repayments

00:01:12.960 started up again for this first time in three years.

00:01:15.560 Well, the uncertainty surrounding House leadership means every other agenda item will have to wait

00:01:20.580 until the job gets filled.

00:01:21.800 And that includes a deal on U.S. funding for the war in Ukraine.

00:01:26.000 Yesterday, President Biden expressed his concern over the issue.

00:01:29.320 But I know there are a majority of members of the House and Senate and both parties who have said

00:01:36.100 that they support funding Ukraine.

00:01:38.800 The Biden administration's waiving dozens of federal laws to build a border wall in South Texas.

00:01:44.900 It's the first time the administration's used this type of executive power.

00:01:49.500 I will not be bullied.

00:01:52.120 And so Mr. Trump is no longer here.

00:01:53.640 The Donald Trump show is over.

00:01:55.700 This was nothing more than a political stunt.

00:01:57.780 I have no advice to give to House Republicans except one.

00:02:05.380 I hope whoever the next speaker is gets rid of the motion to vacate.

00:02:10.060 A small band of MAGA extremists plunged Congress into pandemonium.

00:02:16.220 For the first time in history, the speaker has been removed from his position at the hands

00:02:21.380 of radicals that he empowered from day one.

00:02:24.660 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily

00:02:28.660 with Jack Posobiec live, Washington, D.C., breaking down all the craziness.

00:02:34.420 Ladies and gentlemen, today is October 5th, 2023.

00:02:37.700 I know, Dominique, and I'm here to tell you that Donald J. Trump

00:02:42.140 may very soon be on his way to Capitol Hill.

00:02:47.240 We're now receiving breaking news.

00:02:50.120 This is out of the Post Millennial.

00:02:51.580 You guys have to check this out.

00:02:53.460 That Donald J. Trump himself is considering a visit to Capitol Hill.

00:02:58.760 Now, does it actually mean that Donald Trump might become speaker?

00:03:04.280 We now know that I can tell you right now the two current leads, Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise.

00:03:10.020 Steve Scalise, of course, more the establishment pick, not really a MAGA guy,

00:03:15.700 also somebody who is facing a lot of health difficulties of his own.

00:03:20.680 Jim Jordan, a guy who's seen as more MAGA, but Jim Jordan, also someone who's seen as a good talker,

00:03:28.340 but not someone who has a great track record of delivery.

00:03:32.600 This is why the grassroots must understand that we have a new tactic.

00:03:39.720 We have a new tactic on our hands to hold leadership accountable.

00:03:44.840 And let me explain what it is.

00:03:46.380 It's called the MAGA nuclear option.

00:03:49.760 And it's as simple as this.

00:03:51.380 Command by negation.

00:03:53.940 Either you comply with the MAGA agenda.

00:03:58.200 Either you comply with defunding the deep state,

00:04:02.960 with actually doing something about the weaponization of the DOJ against conservatives.

00:04:09.800 The FBI is out there leaking their own press releases to Newsweek,

00:04:15.800 saying that they've started a task force specifically targeting Trump supporters.

00:04:22.020 Not people that are going and forming militias, actually starting Trump supporters.

00:04:27.020 Now, understand, the FBI and the Biden administration leaked that to try to bait you.

00:04:32.160 Don't take the bait.

00:04:34.060 But here's my question for the next speaker.

00:04:36.920 Are you willing to actually do what needs to be done?

00:04:41.160 And here's the thing.

00:04:42.020 If you're not, the motion to vacate, the MTV, it's going to be deployed against you again.

00:04:50.980 And again, and again, and again.

00:04:54.480 Because that's the dirty little secret.

00:04:58.260 We're not locked in here with you.

00:05:01.560 You're locked in here with all of us.

00:05:05.140 And so either you comply or you get out of the way.

00:05:10.840 Lead, follow, or we will remove you.

00:05:16.640 It's as simple as that.

00:05:18.920 Once the nuclear option has been done, it's on the table and it can be done again and again and again.

00:05:26.440 So the real question is for Jim Jordan, for Steve Scalise, for anybody else who wants to be speaker,

00:05:33.000 are you going to deliver or are we going to have to make you disappear again?

00:05:38.780 And it's as simple as that.

00:05:40.840 It's as simple as that.

00:05:43.360 Did you think that we were playing?

00:05:45.780 Welcome to the churn, GOP establishment.

00:05:50.340 Either you go along with this or you go home.

00:05:56.480 It's as simple as that.

00:05:57.640 The choice, dear friends, is yours.

00:06:00.840 You can make your own history.

00:06:03.620 You can write your own destiny.

00:06:05.520 You're either with us or you're with them.

00:06:09.020 It's quite simple.

00:06:10.240 I'm making it very easy for you.

00:06:12.140 And I guarantee I'm going to back it up.

00:06:15.280 Stay tuned.

00:06:16.200 We've got Gavin Wax coming with us and then a special interview.

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00:06:54.400 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.

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00:08:46.340 Now, since we're talking about this speaker fight, we're hearing that President Trump is

00:08:51.400 planning a trip to the Capitol.

00:08:53.580 I want to handicap all of this.

00:08:55.580 I want to bring on a Republican official, in a sense, if you will, Gavin Wax, who is

00:09:02.420 the head of the New York Young Republican Club, as much as so many of the other URUG 0.96

00:09:07.940 Republicans seem to hate that fact.

00:09:10.320 He is still there.

00:09:11.320 Gavin, how are you doing, man?

00:09:14.240 I'm doing great.

00:09:15.540 It's great to be a Republican official today.

00:09:17.700 Lots to discuss.

00:09:18.820 Lots happening in the Republican Party.

00:09:20.200 So, handicap this out for us.

00:09:23.640 We've got this situation where Scalise and Jordan are sort of the two frontrunners.

00:09:29.080 Scalise, okay, he's House Majority Leader.

00:09:32.260 He's next in the line, has some medical issues, right, serious medical issues that could potentially

00:09:38.140 prevent it.

00:09:38.740 He's put his name in for it, though.

00:09:41.040 At the same time, he's seen as very establishment.

00:09:44.240 Jim Jordan is seen as someone who is more grassrootsy, more MAGA.

00:09:50.760 But I would say, and I say this with respect, there are questions about his track record when

00:09:55.060 it comes to deliverables.

00:09:56.560 They say he's all talk.

00:09:58.060 They say he's never delivered from Fast and Furious, Benghazi, all the way forward.

00:10:01.760 Benghazi was Trey Gowdy.

00:10:02.980 But again, it's the same thing.

00:10:04.160 It's the same thing.

00:10:05.160 Just this lack of deliverables.

00:10:07.220 Then you have President Trump potentially coming in.

00:10:10.340 What I would say is what he's going to do is he's using this potential of Trump to become

00:10:15.860 Speaker of the House himself as leverage over the rest of the party.

00:10:20.160 He's actually exerting his leadership as leader of the Republican Party.

00:10:24.280 And to that same vein, we now have essentially this new MAGA nuclear option, the command by

00:10:32.160 negation, whereby in regardless of who gets in, there's nothing really to stop Matt Gaetz

00:10:37.280 from doing this again if they do not agree to the terms.

00:10:40.920 What say you, Gavin Wex?

00:10:43.120 Well, several things.

00:10:44.040 I definitely agree with how you framed it.

00:10:46.540 I think Jordan, obviously, is the more anti-establishment of the candidates being put forward.

00:10:50.940 It looks like they're coalescing around either Scalise or Jordan.

00:10:54.320 Obviously, Scalise is a continuation of the good old boys.

00:10:57.920 He's from the party leadership.

00:11:00.220 He has been, you know, next in line, heir apparent.

00:11:03.060 I still think as a baseline, changing leadership, no matter who ends up replacing, still sets

00:11:08.980 good precedent, which is why this motion to vacate is so powerful, because it's going

00:11:12.880 to put whoever comes in next on their toes and force them to be held accountable.

00:11:17.240 But certainly, if we were to get a Speaker, Jordan, that would be a massive win.

00:11:21.440 It would be a massive change in Republican leadership, a massive change in the right direction,

00:11:26.480 I would add, even while agreeing that, you know, maybe some things on the deliverables

00:11:30.740 could be improved upon.

00:11:32.220 He certainly would be a monumental shift and change for the better in terms of rhetoric,

00:11:37.140 in terms of policy and all the rest.

00:11:38.620 Now, listen, President Trump becoming Speaker, is it going to happen?

00:11:42.660 I would love it to happen.

00:11:44.180 Is it a high possibility?

00:11:45.420 Probably not.

00:11:46.120 I mean, frankly, even though he has somewhere north of 60, 65 percent plus of the Republican

00:11:52.780 primary electorate under his fingers, that does not translate into the Republican House

00:11:59.600 conference, which just goes to show how, you know, divided the party leadership and the

00:12:04.980 party electeds are from the actual grassroots Republican voters.

00:12:09.420 The vast majority of the Republican Party love Trump, want him to be the leader, want him

00:12:13.480 to be president again, and frankly, would probably support him for speaker, but he probably would

00:12:17.600 not have the votes on the House floor.

00:12:19.140 But honestly, Jack, let's have that vote.

00:12:21.480 Let's let's do a few rounds with Trump in the mix.

00:12:24.680 I would love to see on record who votes, who doesn't, who supports him, who doesn't.

00:12:29.060 I think it would be great.

00:12:29.920 And listen, I think people like our friend Steve Bannon have put forward, you know, the

00:12:34.900 interim speakership for Trump.

00:12:37.320 You know, everyone can start fighting and, you know, chasing after the gavel.

00:12:40.940 Give him, you know, 100, 200 days, whatever he needs, clean up House, you know, cut funds

00:12:46.860 to the DOJ, the FBI, issue subpoenas, all the rest, the power of the gavel.

00:12:51.720 Just let him hold it.

00:12:52.580 Just let him hold the gavel for a little bit.

00:12:54.360 And I think our whole country would be in a much better place.

00:12:56.540 But in all seriousness, I think we're going to be up for a big fight in the weeks ahead.

00:13:01.520 I doubt this is settled next week.

00:13:03.420 I think this is going to go on for quite some time.

00:13:05.500 But I love that President Trump is seizing the moment, heading down.

00:13:08.840 And frankly speaking, if this battle continues on and we can't settle on a speaker, I think

00:13:15.700 the chances of a Trump speakership continue to rise marginally with every passing day.

00:13:21.300 So let's see what happens.

00:13:22.640 But I like this three-way race.

00:13:24.400 I think we're in good shape for the future of the party, thanks to the motion to vacate

00:13:28.880 and the courageous leadership of Congressman Gates.

00:13:31.520 Well, I have to say, though, it really is Donald Trump exerting himself.

00:13:37.300 And by the way, if you notice, has lost no political capital whatsoever since starting

00:13:43.580 this route.

00:13:46.080 And so not a single, you notice, even in leadership, right?

00:13:49.480 So you'll hear these guys, they're popping off now.

00:13:52.040 And there's going to be a huge anti-Gaetz campaign, well-funded.

00:13:54.800 People are screaming about him.

00:13:56.060 People are coming up with all these crazy ex-girlfriend type stories about him.

00:14:00.000 You notice not a single one of these guys is dare speak out against Donald Trump.

00:14:05.280 There's a reason for that.

00:14:07.020 Show me any other Republican contender right now that could do something so brazen and

00:14:13.400 then just get away with it.

00:14:14.800 Trump, he does it without even thinking because he knows where the bodies lie.

00:14:19.260 He knows where everything stands.

00:14:21.680 And so when Trump comes in there, I think what he's doing is you're seeing a classic example

00:14:28.100 of the art of the deal, where he's setting the initial, right?

00:14:32.940 He's setting his initial bid as extremely high, saying, I will be speaker.

00:14:38.420 I will stand.

00:14:39.340 And of course, the danger then is that if he starts putting that up on Truth Social, if

00:14:44.020 he starts pumping that out over text message to his massive email audience, all the followers

00:14:50.380 that he has in the party, the tens of millions, right, he could destroy anyone's chances of

00:14:55.440 being speaker overnight with a couple of tweets from his thumb.

00:15:01.580 And so essentially what he's saying is the next speaker isn't a decision that's made by

00:15:07.140 the House of Representatives.

00:15:08.300 It's a decision that's made by Donald Trump.

00:15:10.460 And amen to that.

00:15:13.060 And I think we need that kind of leadership because this party has lacked it.

00:15:16.740 It's been completely rudderless.

00:15:18.380 It's been completely donor driven.

00:15:19.880 It's been driven by special interests.

00:15:21.500 It's been driven by the lobbyists.

00:15:22.700 It's been driven by these unnamed, unseen party hacks behind the scenes.

00:15:27.700 I'd much rather this power be concentrated in Donald Trump.

00:15:31.840 We know what he's about.

00:15:33.300 We know what he brings to the table.

00:15:35.020 We know where his heart is.

00:15:36.300 And his heart is behind the American people and this country.

00:15:40.460 So I have absolutely no problem with him playing, you know, party boss, with him playing, you

00:15:45.900 know, a kingmaker.

00:15:47.000 I want him to play that role.

00:15:48.320 I want him to be more involved.

00:15:49.580 And I think with this chaos, that's the word that everyone's using, chaos, that he can step

00:15:55.920 in and really force real change in a positive direction.

00:16:00.340 And, you know, maybe he doesn't fully run, but maybe he gets behind someone once things

00:16:04.220 begin to coalesce more and the battle lines are more defined.

00:16:08.480 But ultimately, I think we're having these discussions and these are good discussions

00:16:11.800 because it's all positive.

00:16:13.700 It's all moving in the right direction.

00:16:15.180 We're moving away from the status quo.

00:16:16.840 The status quo was getting us nowhere.

00:16:19.640 And these establishment hacks you were talking about, they're about to go on the counter offensive

00:16:23.420 against Gates and others.

00:16:24.820 I'm sure that, I mean, their gaslighting was off the charts.

00:16:28.500 These people were coming out saying, how dare Democrats vote with these with these turncoat 1.00

00:16:32.880 Republicans.

00:16:33.480 Meanwhile, they had no problem.

00:16:34.880 They had no problem with all these Democrats voting for the for the continuing resolution

00:16:38.540 put forward by McCarthy.

00:16:40.260 They have no principles.

00:16:41.580 All their talking points are just conjured up on the spot out of convenience.

00:16:46.360 These are guys that will vote with the Dems, a huge portion of their voting record.

00:16:50.860 And then they'll they'll cry foul when you vote with the Dems to take out a speaker that

00:16:56.200 everyone has felt has failed in his duties and in his, well, the ultimate, you know, backstabbed,

00:17:01.680 you know, in terms of his his commitments and his promises back in January.

00:17:06.280 I'd simply say that the ultimate voting with the Dems is Ukraine funding.

00:17:10.800 If you were for Ukraine funding and you're attacking someone for voting with the Dems against

00:17:15.800 the interests of your own constituents, then I'd really question whether or not you're serious

00:17:21.040 about that, because if you are, then that's great.

00:17:23.960 Then join us in standing up to funding and another endless war.

00:17:29.920 Join us in standing up towards funding of another cause that has nothing to do with direct effects

00:17:36.180 on the on the United States.

00:17:38.040 Putin's over there right now.

00:17:39.500 Talk about how Nord Stream 2 is actually not completely disabled, how one of the pipelines

00:17:43.920 is open, how they can keep the spice flowing. 0.93

00:17:46.460 Essentially, he's given a huge speech.

00:17:48.380 They're conducting nuclear tests.

00:17:49.980 Again, this is not a fight that the United States needs right now.

00:17:54.940 This is not a fight that the United States wants right now.

00:17:58.060 I'm much more concerned with the existential threat of China's, particularly on the military 1.00

00:18:02.640 on the excuse me, on the economic vice, the military side.

00:18:06.380 But if we're going to pick two fights with two great powers in the world at the same time,

00:18:12.040 then we're going to run directly into John Mearsheimer's warning.

00:18:15.680 So please, please, House Republicans, if you want to stand up against Ukraine funding and

00:18:20.440 actually be against the Democrats, then yes, I implore you, join us.

00:18:25.340 Join us immediately.

00:18:27.060 But first, you're going to have to make a deal with Donald Trump.

00:18:29.680 Come back next.

00:18:30.420 Our interview, Gavin Wax continues.

00:18:32.940 Talk about influences.

00:18:37.760 These are influences and they're friends of mine, Jack Prasovic.

00:18:43.700 Where's Jack?

00:18:44.660 Jack, he's done a great job.

00:18:50.100 All right, Jack Prasovic back here, live Human Events Daily.

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00:20:44.160 Gavin Wax, we're speaking with him about handicapping the speaker's race, but also talking about

00:20:50.040 how Donald Trump has been able to maneuver himself to the center of it.

00:20:55.000 Now, Gavin, here's an interesting take that I don't think anyone has pointed out yet.

00:20:59.100 Where is the dog that's not barking?

00:21:01.120 We're told that Governor Ron DeSantis is this waiting in the wings leader of the Republican

00:21:07.160 Party, and yet you've seen no endorsement from DeSantis.

00:21:11.780 You've seen no statement from him.

00:21:13.840 You've seen no real leadership whatsoever on this question of the speakership.

00:21:18.560 In fact, I think I'm probably the first person anywhere that's even pointed this out.

00:21:23.380 I doubt that anyone in his campaign, which they're currently having to turn all of their

00:21:27.900 headquarters staff into field staff in Iowa because they can't afford to hire anyone

00:21:31.480 locally, do they even realize that the fact that nobody cares who DeSantis' pick is shows

00:21:39.280 their complete lack of political capital and influence over the party right now?

00:21:44.640 I would hope they would recognize that, Jack, but I think they're so deluded and, you know,

00:21:48.940 believing their own lies and their own narratives that they can't even see the truth right in

00:21:53.820 front of them.

00:21:54.280 I mean, the fact of the matter is he wasn't the maverick that everyone's claiming he is.

00:21:58.340 He didn't come out on this issue, whether, you know, supporting McCarthy or against McCarthy.

00:22:02.720 He's kind of just waited in the sidelines trying to see, you know, how things unfold.

00:22:06.500 And frankly, most of, you know, what he says comes through the mouths, not of his own, but

00:22:11.400 of his surrogates and his online influencers and his, you know, paid influencer industrial

00:22:16.500 complex that runs online.

00:22:17.980 So a lot of them have come out.

00:22:19.520 And the commentary we've seen from these folks has largely been, you know, finding a way

00:22:23.640 to spin this to attack Trump, say, oh, you know, Trump originally picked McCarthy and

00:22:27.620 yada, yada, yada.

00:22:28.500 That's all they can say.

00:22:29.420 They actually aren't giving any value to the discussion.

00:22:32.000 They're not adding anything unique or an interesting take.

00:22:35.740 In fact, I've seen them sort of lean towards, you know, praising McCarthy and defending the

00:22:39.920 establishment talking points, primarily because I guess the ringleader, if you will, of this

00:22:44.840 ousting was a congressman, Congressman Gates, who had endorsed President Trump.

00:22:49.720 So I think that's the only guiding principle that they even have right now.

00:22:53.020 We'll just do whatever is the opposite of Trump or the opposite of Trump's broader world

00:22:57.820 and network.

00:22:58.480 There's no real substance to it anymore.

00:23:00.180 But even if there was, no one is looking to Governor DeSantis for leadership on this

00:23:05.660 issue.

00:23:05.980 They're not looking to him for guidance.

00:23:07.860 He's kind of just a passerby in all of this.

00:23:10.540 And people are forgetting about him every day this campaign goes on.

00:23:13.760 So it's a sad state of affairs for the once promising political future of the Florida governor.

00:23:18.420 But he has only himself to blame, his consultants to blame, and his inner circle who have totally

00:23:22.820 destroyed his future political capital on this vanity project, which has really turned

00:23:27.780 into a disaster of a presidential campaign of epic proportions.

00:23:31.620 All right.

00:23:32.140 At this point, Gavin, I would say that Ron DeSantis is probably a few primary points.

00:23:37.180 At this point, I would say Ron is a few percentage points away from primarying Joe Biden on switch.

00:23:42.580 Just go ahead and switching to the other side.

00:23:44.360 And maybe giving that a shot now that RFK is out of the race.

00:23:47.900 Just go ahead and switch and try your luck over there.

00:23:50.320 But really, what I would sum it up as is he took a guy who, at the end of last year, had

00:23:57.480 all this political capital built up, had a huge victory in the gubernatorial race.

00:24:03.120 And I don't mean this to dump on him because it's really not my intention here.

00:24:08.120 But the word is irrelevant.

00:24:10.920 He has become politically irrelevant.

00:24:13.340 His campaign has become politically irrelevant.

00:24:16.680 And it's amazing to see that here we are just 10 months away, or excuse me, 10 months

00:24:22.380 from him really taking that victory last year and now to have become basically someone that

00:24:29.320 if we were not talking about him right now, I don't even think he'd be in the conversation.

00:24:34.060 That's how far this guy has fallen.

00:24:36.820 Someone who, Gavin, I know.

00:24:38.260 I remember conversations that you and I had talking about how we hoped that Ron DeSantis

00:24:43.140 would go on to be this sort of heir apparent for the party, for the movement, how he was

00:24:49.000 a great leader, how we supported him when he was in the office.

00:24:51.640 That's why I think it's so funny when people bring up these tweets.

00:24:54.060 And OK, I'm definitely going on the tangent now where it's like, oh, you said something

00:24:58.880 nice about him in 2022.

00:25:00.080 You said something nice about him in 2020.

00:25:02.300 I stand by what I said.

00:25:04.380 I've been at events with him.

00:25:05.860 I've promoted events with him.

00:25:07.580 He's been a fantastic governor.

00:25:10.020 What I've said is don't do this.

00:25:13.620 Don't turn and turn your horns on the guy that put you in office.

00:25:20.300 Just wait for all of this to run out.

00:25:23.960 Right.

00:25:24.660 Let Trump come back, have his response to Biden.

00:25:28.200 You can go in.

00:25:29.020 OK, you tested it, pulled out.

00:25:30.940 But no, they they refused to do this.

00:25:32.720 And it's it's just sad.

00:25:33.720 Quite frankly, it's just sad.

00:25:35.800 No, no, you're you're you're right on the money.

00:25:37.500 I mean, I've been on the receiving end of those same attacks.

00:25:39.580 I mean, most of MAGA was once very complimentary of the governor and very supportive of the

00:25:45.040 governor and vice versa, by the way, and vice versa, vice versa.

00:25:49.040 Exactly.

00:25:49.360 And, you know, they'll bring up these old tweets and share them as if it matters or

00:25:54.660 this means anything.

00:25:55.500 And I would say, yeah, it means that you guys have really lost a lot of support and burn

00:25:59.220 a lot and burnt a lot of bridges since the end of last year where he peaked.

00:26:02.400 He peaked like a girl in high school. 0.99

00:26:04.000 That was his political career.

00:26:04.980 He peaked in December of last year and he's collapsed since then.

00:26:08.180 And honestly, President Trump is right to make this about loyalty.

00:26:12.820 His entire political career, being Ron DeSantis, was owed to President Trump.

00:26:18.700 President Trump elevated him from losing a primary.

00:26:21.560 He elevated him from losing a general election.

00:26:23.880 He created a political environment, a political realignment in Florida that Ron DeSantis was

00:26:28.620 able to capitalize on and run away with.

00:26:31.540 All these things were because of MAGA.

00:26:33.800 They were because of President Trump.

00:26:35.360 And Trump is so right to hit him on loyalty because people are sick of the status quo.

00:26:39.600 They're sick of these usual politicians who are driven by consultants, by their ambition,

00:26:44.340 by their ego, by their focus groups.

00:26:46.960 And they look at things like loyalty and they look at things like how you're going to treat

00:26:50.640 someone like Donald Trump and how you're going to repay him for all he's done for you.

00:26:56.000 And they see him completely backstab the president and they say, this is not a guy that I view with

00:27:01.100 high respect.

00:27:01.960 This is not a guy that I see a lot of great character traits and not someone I want to rally

00:27:06.080 behind.

00:27:06.520 And you could argue about that till you're blue in the face.

00:27:09.420 But the polls don't lie.

00:27:11.080 The numbers don't lie.

00:27:12.520 The crowd size doesn't lie.

00:27:14.120 All of these things are adding up and showing that this is a campaign in decline.

00:27:18.420 You look at their latest fundraising numbers.

00:27:20.440 They're burning through cash like you've never seen before.

00:27:23.160 They barely have cash on hand.

00:27:24.760 Trump's numbers, excluding the PAC, excluding the super PAC, are phenomenal with his cash on

00:27:29.600 hand, with his ability to raise.

00:27:31.320 He's a juggernaut on this front. 0.51

00:27:32.540 It's primarily from small dollar donors, not the big donors, not the fat cats like Ron

00:27:36.920 DeSantis has been roveling to, where most of his campaign events are actually just, you

00:27:41.180 know, these exclusive fundraisers.

00:27:42.640 I mean, the list goes on.

00:27:43.580 We can continue to pick apart his campaign and people will pick apart his campaign for

00:27:48.000 the next decade to study what not to do.

00:27:50.340 It's a sad state of affairs.

00:27:51.580 And again, I reiterate, he was a good governor.

00:27:53.960 There were a lot of things that MAGA complimented him on, but the rhetoric, the tone, the viciousness,

00:28:00.600 the smears, the attacks that his entire, you know, expanded campaign have waged on MAGA

00:28:06.880 has destroyed him going forward.

00:28:09.940 And we're no longer talking about him being a contender in 2028.

00:28:12.500 I, he's holding a rally right now in, in Tampa, Florida.

00:28:17.800 And, uh, I know someone who's there just sent me a picture.

00:28:21.400 I don't know if you can get it up in time, but it's, it's, it's like 50 people in his

00:28:25.820 own state, in his own state.

00:28:27.440 It's about 50 people.

00:28:28.360 And it's just, well, and, and, and I have to say this, Gavin, what, here's what gets

00:28:33.960 me and we have a couple of minutes left is this, this brazenness to claim, to falsely

00:28:41.920 claim that he is the man who turned Florida red all by himself to take full credit for

00:28:47.920 one of Donald Trump's greatest victories for take, to take full credit for Donald Trump

00:28:53.080 remaking the political geography of the United States, uh, by going in and bringing so many 0.98

00:29:00.900 Hispanics, Cubans, Venezuelans over, particularly in Florida, Puerto Ricans over to the Republican

00:29:07.720 side, this idea that Ron DeSantis solely is responsible for this.

00:29:12.880 And that, by the way, Rubio almost also won by almost 20 points in the exact same year

00:29:17.660 who had faced, by the way, a very, a very more, much more credible challenger, uh, than,

00:29:23.760 you know, the Charlie and spent less money and, and was way overspent, way overspent almost,

00:29:29.760 I think it was like 75 million to 50 million, something like that.

00:29:32.540 And so this idea that Ron DeSantis is solely, I'm not going to say that he doesn't deserve

00:29:36.180 any credit, but this idea of I'm running around, oh, I did it all by myself.

00:29:40.120 I did it.

00:29:40.860 It's all me.

00:29:41.760 Nobody else takes any credit.

00:29:42.960 It just, I don't know.

00:29:43.740 It's just, it strikes me as, and it's, it's funny because these are the same people who

00:29:47.120 call Donald Trump, the world's greatest narcissist.

00:29:49.000 Well, last minute, Gavin Wax. 0.91

00:29:50.880 You know, amen.

00:29:51.900 The first time Trump ran versus the first time DeSantis ran, Trump had like 650,000 more votes.

00:29:57.440 For both of their reelection, Trump presidential and DeSantis' gubernatorial, Trump got a million

00:30:02.660 more votes.

00:30:03.280 So the raw vote totals in both elections were higher.

00:30:06.720 He spent a fraction of the money.

00:30:08.140 Obviously, most of his money was spread around the country, a fraction compared to what DeSantis

00:30:11.920 spent, only concentrated in Florida.

00:30:14.700 And then they make the presidential results.

00:30:21.200 By that same metric, you would have people like Larry Hogan or people like Charlie Baker being

00:30:26.220 presidential contenders because both of them flipped blue states by incredible margins

00:30:29.880 as a Republican.

00:30:30.520 Yes, exactly.

00:30:31.720 So they ignore all this.

00:30:33.560 You bring up the great point of Marco Rubio.

00:30:35.580 Everyone forgets the last two cycles before 2016, before Trump flipped Florida, it had gone

00:30:40.640 blue.

00:30:41.400 This was a state that Trump realigned.

00:30:43.480 He set it in motion.

00:30:44.600 He continued to move it in that direction.

00:30:46.380 And sure, DeSantis capitalized on it.

00:30:48.420 DeSantis expanded some margins.

00:30:49.840 But to take full credit just goes to show to the narcissistic angle and to the lack

00:30:54.080 of loyalty.

00:30:55.840 Gavin Wax, follow him.

00:30:57.280 Follow him on Twitter.

00:30:58.460 A firebrand in the style of Matt Gaetz.

00:31:00.700 You can follow Roger Stone.

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00:32:56.440 I want to bring on now our next guest, Republican presidential strategist and political strategist,

00:33:02.000 Roger Stone.

00:33:02.680 Roger, you were here on Human Events Daily a couple of months ago and you told us and

00:33:10.080 and you were you were you got some pushback and some criticism for this statement when

00:33:14.320 you said that Governor DeSantis's campaign would be out of money by October.

00:33:18.440 So come October, he'd be out of money.

00:33:20.040 All right.

00:33:20.520 Roger said that he's got experience in this.

00:33:23.460 But, you know, it seemed like it seemed to fly in the face of conventional wisdom because

00:33:27.960 his campaign was flush with cash at the time.

00:33:30.420 However, here we are, Q3, and we've got the numbers all coming in.

00:33:34.860 And it shows that Governor DeSantis's campaign currently only has five million dollars cash

00:33:41.260 on hand for the primary.

00:33:43.340 To put that in perspective for people, five million dollars is a mid to low tier congressional

00:33:49.920 campaign level of money.

00:33:52.400 This is nowhere near the amount of money that you would need to spend for a nationwide campaign.

00:33:59.000 Roger, how did you get it so right?

00:34:02.720 Well, unfortunately, as you know, I am, first of all, a veteran of 13 national Republican

00:34:09.180 presidential campaigns.

00:34:10.760 But from the beginning, Governor Ron DeSantis chose to run a front runners campaign when he

00:34:17.920 was never really the front runner.

00:34:20.000 And their level of spending was obscene.

00:34:23.320 They were not planning for the long term.

00:34:26.800 They really ran the Rolls Royce of campaigns.

00:34:30.740 Look, in 1976, when I was working for Ronald Reagan, there were times when Governor and Mrs.

00:34:36.220 Reagan flew commercial to save money in their campaign.

00:34:41.340 The DeSantis's have never flown other than in a private jet.

00:34:46.040 So their expectation level politically was out of control.

00:34:50.040 Their spending was out of control.

00:34:51.960 And then I even factored in the layoffs, the multiple reboots.

00:34:58.680 And I still recalculated that at their rate of spend, even with those reductions, they

00:35:04.400 would essentially be out of out of gas, out of money in October.

00:35:10.500 Now they have dialed back their campaign.

00:35:13.780 So they're no longer on the ground in Nevada or no longer on the ground in New Hampshire,

00:35:18.060 no longer on the ground any place other than Iowa.

00:35:22.620 They have put all their chips on Iowa.

00:35:25.440 Yet the latest poll information from Iowa continues to indicate Donald Trump has not only a huge

00:35:33.220 lead, but a growing lead.

00:35:35.340 So the disciplines for Trump are quite different.

00:35:39.620 The votes already exist for him to win the Iowa caucuses.

00:35:43.100 All he has to do is identify them and turn them out.

00:35:46.620 Today, the votes do not exist for Ron DeSantis to win the Iowa caucuses.

00:35:51.920 He would first have to convert people, tell people who he is, convert them and get their

00:35:56.520 commitment and get them out.

00:35:57.980 I don't see it happening.

00:35:59.900 This is a campaign that has been a dumpster fire from the beginning.

00:36:05.340 Yeah, Roger, we've got a picture now.

00:36:07.740 This is Ron DeSantis's event.

00:36:09.820 He's holding a rally in Tampa right now in Tampa, Florida.

00:36:13.300 We've got someone who's there sent me a picture.

00:36:15.680 This is Tampa, Florida.

00:36:16.920 This is his own backyard.

00:36:18.900 He's he's from the Tampa area originally.

00:36:22.220 And I can't count more than 50 people in this picture.

00:36:26.720 Roger, what's going on?

00:36:27.880 You know, you're out of Florida.

00:36:29.340 How do you have a guy who admittedly is is one on a pretty popular ticket just a few

00:36:34.500 months ago?

00:36:35.360 How has it gotten to this point?

00:36:38.000 Well, there's I think there's a lot of factors here.

00:36:40.900 First of all, taking the measure of the Florida Republican presidential primary in the immediate

00:36:47.200 aftermath of the gubernatorial race means that all of that paid media, television, radio,

00:36:54.240 cable, cable, digital that was used to push the governor's reelection was still fresh in

00:37:00.900 the mind of the voters.

00:37:02.180 So he actually at one point had a lead over President Trump.

00:37:06.300 As the memory of that multimillion dollar spending has receded and also as President Trump's campaign

00:37:15.100 has been turbocharged by the tsunami of lawfare against him, completely unforeseeable, but

00:37:22.100 counterintuitive.

00:37:23.440 The more he is attacked in the judicial system, the stronger and deeper his support grows.

00:37:29.720 Donald Trump has pulled out to a long lead here in the sunshine state.

00:37:34.620 Now, if I were Governor DeSantis, I would be looking for a a a comfortable way out of

00:37:41.120 this race because he's not going to break through.

00:37:44.860 He's not going to win this nomination.

00:37:46.600 I must tell you, Jack, I did not think in the beginning that voters cared about things

00:37:52.840 like loyalty and history and the fact that Donald Trump was single handedly responsible

00:37:59.660 for the rise and election of Ron DeSantis.

00:38:03.460 I thought that was kind of inside folks in Iowa certainly didn't know it, nor folks in

00:38:08.900 New Hampshire.

00:38:09.580 I was completely wrong about that.

00:38:12.100 That character does matter to voters in this instance.

00:38:16.140 And I think just that act of treachery, that act of backstabbing has hurt the governor very

00:38:22.580 badly here.

00:38:23.720 Combine that with the fact that he paid a million dollars to the Speaker of the House, essentially

00:38:29.160 funneling it to his PAC in return for a change of Florida state law that allows Ron DeSantis

00:38:35.580 alone to be the only state elected official who doesn't have to resign while running for

00:38:41.960 federal office.

00:38:43.440 To Floridians, this whole thing began to stink some time ago.

00:38:48.720 No, it seems that is borne out because you've seen this again.

00:38:54.160 Let me ask you this, and we've got a couple of minutes and then we'll take a break.

00:38:57.180 I'd like to hold you over.

00:38:59.120 Does the governor, what does the governor's political future look like this?

00:39:02.460 Let's say he comes in second in Iowa, makes it to New Hampshire, comes in second.

00:39:06.920 But New Hampshire, he's currently running third or fourth.

00:39:10.880 So let's say the money runs out by New Hampshire.

00:39:13.320 Let's say somehow by a wing and a prayer, he's able to stay until then, comes out of the

00:39:16.740 race, whether endorses, he doesn't.

00:39:18.380 Where does he go after this?

00:39:20.880 Well, remember, he's term limited.

00:39:22.460 He's in his second term.

00:39:23.840 And Florida only allows a governor to serve for two terms.

00:39:27.800 So he cannot run.

00:39:29.160 I have predicted that his wife, Casey DeSantis, will run for governor in his stead.

00:39:36.360 That will be a horse race.

00:39:38.580 There's no presumption that she would be an automatic front runner.

00:39:42.660 I think they are too addicted to the money, too addicted to the acclaim, too addicted to

00:39:50.140 the private jets and the fancy resorts and the five-star hotels.

00:39:54.480 So I stand by my prediction that she will be a candidate for governor.

00:40:00.440 But that doesn't necessarily mean that she's a winner.

00:40:03.380 There's no U.S. Senate race in this state.

00:40:06.840 There's one this coming cycle.

00:40:09.620 Rick Scott will be reelected.

00:40:12.900 This one isn't until 2028.

00:40:15.300 I think that the governor has done substantial damage to his political brand.

00:40:19.260 And as the state has an insurance crisis and as the state has a utility rate crisis and

00:40:27.660 as the state has a malaria crisis, there is a growing sense that the governor is MIA.

00:40:35.700 Believe me, they are back to pushing CRT in the public schools.

00:40:40.060 Something he told us wasn't going to happen.

00:40:42.580 The culture war here has been reignited.

00:40:45.960 And the governor, where's he?

00:40:48.340 Why?

00:40:48.580 He's in Iowa.

00:40:51.620 No, he's certainly all over the place.

00:40:54.220 And the issues in Florida continue to remain.

00:40:58.540 We've seen.

00:40:59.560 And again, I'll still say, as I said to Gavin Wax before he came on, Roger, I think he's

00:41:05.040 had a fairly good record as governor of Florida.

00:41:07.780 I would like would have liked to see him continue that rather than continue on this quest.

00:41:13.380 Our exclusive interview with Roger Stone continues after the break.

00:41:17.780 I want to get Roger's handicap of the speaker's race. 0.75

00:41:21.160 This tight, close race seems to be all the rage here in Washington, D.C.

00:41:25.220 And I'm sure that Roger Stone has some insights for all of us.

00:41:31.380 I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:41:35.820 Jack Posobiec here live, Washington, D.C.

00:41:38.140 Roger Stone out of Florida.

00:41:39.580 Roger, there's so much action in Washington, D.C.

00:41:42.140 We launched the show with the breaking news that President Trump himself might be making

00:41:46.940 a trip from his courtroom appearance in New York down to Capitol Hill for this for the

00:41:55.000 speaker vote.

00:41:56.060 My phone's been ringing off the hook from with reporters and politicos.

00:42:02.360 Hey, Jack, support me.

00:42:04.220 Jack, attack this guy. 0.91

00:42:05.420 Go after this. 0.80

00:42:06.100 And I said, I'll keep my powder dry and I'll do what I think is right for the movement

00:42:10.840 and what is right for the country.

00:42:13.220 Now, what I think President Trump is doing, just to reiterate what I said at the beginning

00:42:16.480 here, I think this is classic art of the deal.

00:42:18.360 I think what he's doing is setting his opening bid high.

00:42:22.320 He's establishing himself as the leader of the party.

00:42:24.800 He's using his leverage in order to make the next speaker come through him.

00:42:29.160 He's acting as the leader of the party.

00:42:31.360 He's showing us that he's the leader of the party.

00:42:34.060 Ron DeSantis, of course, is showing us that he's politically irrelevant because nobody's

00:42:37.580 even asking who Ron DeSantis' pick is.

00:42:40.000 Now, that being said, the two, it seems as though the two horses right now that people

00:42:43.740 are betting on are Scalise and Jordan.

00:42:46.520 A lot of people getting behind Jordan, but, and I'll just say it publicly, I think Jordan

00:42:50.460 has some questions when it comes to his ability to achieve deliverables for the movement.

00:42:55.520 He talks a good game, but, you know, there's an expression in, as a wrestler, I'm sure he's

00:43:01.620 heard this, who did you ever beat?

00:43:03.200 And so, you know, I think that's really where the chips fall right now.

00:43:08.240 But at the same time, because Gates has given us this MAGA nuclear option, the grassroots

00:43:14.240 really still have command by negation because whoever gets in there, Gates and the Gates

00:43:19.100 block could just do this again if the terms are not bet.

00:43:22.820 But let's hear from you, Roger.

00:43:23.900 What do you think?

00:43:25.080 Well, first of all, a word in defense of Matt Gates.

00:43:28.680 There are some in this party who have said that Gates took this courageous action for

00:43:34.900 a desire for limelight or to build his own image or to raise money or out of some personal

00:43:42.720 agenda.

00:43:43.320 I think that is outrageous.

00:43:45.260 He has acted as a matter of principle.

00:43:48.180 He knows he's going to take an enormous amount of incoming from the party establishment and

00:43:53.200 their allies in the mainstream media cabal.

00:43:57.360 But at a time when America sorely needs leadership, he has stepped up and delivered it in spades.

00:44:04.580 Secondarily, it doesn't really matter whether the next speaker is Steve Scalise of Louisiana

00:44:13.000 or Jim Jordan of Ohio or even Kevin Hearn of Oklahoma if they are going to pursue the same

00:44:21.420 feckless course as Kevin McCarthy.

00:44:24.720 What matters here is the agenda of the House Republicans.

00:44:30.040 It is an agenda that Kevin McCarthy agreed to.

00:44:33.820 It's an agenda that Kevin McCarthy reneged on.

00:44:37.120 I'm comforted by the fact that Donald Trump is going to be at the table.

00:44:41.040 In my heart, of course, I would love to see him become speaker.

00:44:44.760 I don't think that is likely.

00:44:46.460 He's running for president.

00:44:48.360 He may be as many as 60 points ahead within the Republican Party.

00:44:52.760 He has, I think, broad respect in the party, and he does know how to cobble together a deal.

00:44:59.420 So I'm comforted by the fact that he's going to be there.

00:45:02.120 It is not easy to take a caucus of 218 Republicans, which does include 18 members whose districts

00:45:12.840 were carried by Joe Biden, let's call them moderate or establishment Republicans, as well

00:45:19.540 as the gang of eight, the hardcore patriots that brought to us this historic moment, and

00:45:26.820 then a broad swath of conservatives in the middle, and come up with a majority.

00:45:32.540 But we need to do so soon.

00:45:34.420 And whoever the new speaker is needs to be committed to the same agenda that was required

00:45:40.660 of Kevin McCarthy, but he reneged on term limits, reform, and so on.

00:45:46.260 Roger, do you view then this Gates option, I call it the MAGA nuclear option, as essentially

00:45:53.340 a check on leadership?

00:45:56.080 Because essentially, whoever becomes the next speaker, there's nothing to stop Gates from

00:46:00.560 doing this again.

00:46:02.040 And that is the insurance policy.

00:46:05.140 Yesterday, I saw Mitch McConnell say he didn't know who the next speaker would be.

00:46:10.180 But the first thing the next speaker needs to do is get rid of the ability to make a motion

00:46:15.640 to vacate the chair.

00:46:17.620 There it is.

00:46:18.180 If you ever needed proof that that important codicil needs to remain in place, there it

00:46:25.440 is.

00:46:26.040 So we don't go down this road yet again.

00:46:29.600 I like Jim Jordan.

00:46:31.440 I think he could have been and can be more aggressive in his pursuit of Hunter Biden.

00:46:36.540 The Democrats had no problem subpoenaing people to the January 6th committee, that kabuki theater.

00:46:44.100 The Democrats had no problem when they were in control of subpoenaing members of the Trump

00:46:48.880 circle and the Trump family and the Trump administration to the House Select Committee on Intelligence.

00:46:54.980 Why has nobody with the last name Biden been sent a subpoena looking into the epic corruption

00:47:01.720 of Hunter Biden, Jimmy Biden, Joe Biden, and the Biden crime family?

00:47:07.540 We seem like we are going slow at a time that the American people need to know.

00:47:14.220 Here's my deal on that.

00:47:15.880 And maybe Trump could be the one to broker it.

00:47:18.580 And I posted this tweet yesterday.

00:47:20.500 Matt Gaetz liked it last night.

00:47:22.560 And Matt and I haven't spoken about this directly.

00:47:24.660 But I said, now, Jordan is currently the head of this weaponization committee.

00:47:28.740 If he becomes speaker, you give the weaponization committee two gates, give him full subpoena

00:47:34.840 authority, give him full hiring, firing, staffing ability.

00:47:40.460 You could bring in Julie Kelly as an investigator, bring in Darren Beattie, make Jeff Clark or Mike

00:47:46.460 Davis, the staff attorney, and just let them go hog wild. 0.86

00:47:51.000 What do you think about that one?

00:47:52.440 I love that idea.

00:47:53.980 Look, it is time for accountability, but it's also time for us to play the game the way they

00:47:59.420 play it.

00:48:00.860 We have now seen, despite what Jerry Nadler or AOC may say, extensive evidence of extortion,

00:48:09.960 bribery, racketeering, money laundering, illegal lobbying.

00:48:15.160 Let's just say it, treason, multimillion dollar payments from China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania.

00:48:24.940 There's not just smoke here.

00:48:26.540 There's fire.

00:48:28.700 But Jason Smith's done the best job in the Congress because he's actually put these things

00:48:33.860 out for the public record.

00:48:36.040 I like James Comer.

00:48:37.680 I like Jim Jordan.

00:48:38.840 But it seems to me like they are holding back.

00:48:41.380 So I like your idea of putting Matt Gaetz in charge of this investigation.

00:48:46.000 We may finally learn the truth, which ultimately will lead to articles of impeachment against

00:48:51.880 Joe Biden.

00:48:53.400 Roger Stone, we're just about out of time.

00:48:55.240 Where can people go to follow you and get into the Stone Zone?

00:48:59.000 Every single day at StoneZone.live at 5 p.m.

00:49:03.380 Or go to StoneZone.com on the weekends, WABCRadio.com from 4 to 6 now on Sunday afternoons.

00:49:13.000 Roger Stone, the man who called it, called the shot, took the shot.

00:49:17.540 That's Roger Stone.

00:49:18.520 He's been the man in more arenas than we will ever see in our lifetime.

00:49:23.160 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - October 05, 2023

EPISODE 576： THE SPEAKER BATTLE ROYAL HAS BEGUN!

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