EPISODE 577： THE RED WINTER OF THE POLICE STATE IS COMING
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We are in a 5-generational conflict. A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran, Jack Posobiec, delivers us from evil. President Vladimir Putin announces that Russia successfully tested a nuclear-powered cruise missile. A Russian attack on a village in northeastern Ukraine is now one of the deadliest in months. Former President Trump at one point said he would even be willing to take the Speaker's job himself temporarily and visit the Hill next week, but now he is endorsing House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan. Joe Biden goes out and gives a series of speeches targeting MAGA as the domestic extremists in this country. Then, Newsweek on the front cover says that the FBI has started a task force specifically dedicated to MAGA. Hillary Clinton goes on air and calls for re-education camps.
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A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
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President Vladimir Putin announced that Russia successfully tested a nuclear-powered cruise missile.
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A Russian attack on a village in northeastern Ukraine is now one of the deadliest in months.
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When they say they don't believe in walls, that's still their policy.
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Well then, call the Secret Service tomorrow and tell them to take down the fence and the
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There will not be another foot of wall constructed on my administration.
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The border wall, the money was appropriated for the border wall.
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I tried to get them to reappropriate, to redirect that money.
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And in the meantime, there's nothing under the law other than they have to use the money
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Former President Trump at one point said he would even be willing to take the Speaker's
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job himself temporarily and visit the Hill next week.
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But now he is endorsing House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan.
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Sadly, so many of those extremists, those mega extremists, take their marching orders from
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Donald Trump, who has no credibility left by any measure.
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At some point, you know, maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board today's edition of Human Events Daily, live from Washington,
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We are facing the first stages of the red winter.
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Joe Biden goes out and gives a series of speeches targeting MAGA as the domestic extremists in this country.
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Then, Newsweek on the front cover says that the FBI has started a secret task force specifically dedicated to MAGA.
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Then Hillary Clinton goes on air and tells us that she is calling for re-education camps.
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Whether it's the French Revolution, whether it's 1917, whether it's 1949 or 1966 China.
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All of this has happened before and all of this is happening again.
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Are you ready for that knock on your door in the middle of the night saying, come with us?
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Have you had that conversation with your family?
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Have you had that conversation with your friends?
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I'm prepared for one day when I will be brought before my creator.
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And I will be asked, what did you do with the resources you were given?
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I know what I'm going to say when I'm brought before the throne.
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And I'm not intimidated or threatened by any of these principalities and powers that we face here on earth.
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I don't care what the disinformation experts say.
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They're lashing out like a drowning man trying to pull you down.
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That's what the Polish government just said about Zelensky.
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And that's why they're trying to take them out of power now.
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And we have the sword of St. Michael before us.
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And I got to point this out, guys, that the question of the weaponization of the Department
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of Justice and the federal government and the FBI was not even brought up at the last
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Chief Division Counsel and DOJ have approved a no-knock breach.
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We want the subject to be on display, doing the walk of shame, full visual impact.
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The government told American citizens they couldn't go to church on Sunday.
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For the first time in my life, I'd say to myself, am I going to get a knock at the door?
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The Patriot Act and FISA were used against Donald Trump.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the filmmaker behind that movie, the new police state, Dinesh D'Souza,
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Dinesh, you know, we actually had this interview planned before all of this news just hit us.
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And I have to say it's fortuitous to have you on today because I think your film lays it out for us.
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How do you see this view of Hillary Clinton's comment calling for these deprogramming centers,
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Now the speaker race coming up, you had Jim Jordan right there.
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The statement that the MAGA supporters are cult members who need to be programmed, deprogrammed,
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this is reminiscent of what happened in the 1990s with Waco.
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Waco, because with Waco, in fact, a lot of Americans even cheered when they burned those
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facilities, killed all those women and children.
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But people were like, yeah, but those people were kooks.
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And so there's a reason that Hillary Clinton is using this kind of dehumanizing rhetoric
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because, and we've seen this abroad in many police states, dehumanization comes first
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and then incarceration and then finally extermination.
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There's some people who say things like Hillary's gone off her rocker.
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She's poisoning the well to set up things that are very, very bad in this country.
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Well, and Dinesh, this playbook, and that's exactly what you're talking about here.
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This isn't the first time we've seen this playbook outlined.
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This is what happens when a radical faction takes over the state apparatus of a country.
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And then begins using those state internal organs against political dissent.
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We saw this in 1917 with Cheka, the People's Commissariat on Internal Affairs.
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And again, and again, we can talk about different examples of this throughout history.
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We know this is the playbook because it's the only playbook they have.
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It is, and yet it's coming here with an American accent.
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And there are a lot of Americans who are looking for, you know, a Stalin trench coat or a Hitler mustache.
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We've seen other police states which have begun with a revolutionary overthrow of the government.
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What's interesting about our police state is it is marching behind the banner of law.
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And so when you listen to these people, Biden, Hillary, Obama, they can't stop talking about it.
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And we don't really, it's not that we want to go after Trump, Dinesh, but, you know, no one's above the law.
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But, you know, we just can't afford to allow all this disinformation out there.
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So our police state is running a masquerade, and the masquerade is political neutrality, rule of law, saving democracy.
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And in this sense, so the ruling class, the regime, has given us this phrase, save democracy.
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Well, in Mao's China, and we did a whole series on human events last year called The China Files.
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And, in fact, in those images that you can see, and they're endemic to the Chinese Cultural Revolution of the 1960s, a period of which no Hollywood movie will ever be made.
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Those signs that they're wearing around their necks, those dunce caps, it actually says enemy of the revolution, and even extremist enemy of the revolution depicted on that sign under their necks.
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And the reason it's put there is because the people have been worked up into such a fervor to say that since these are enemies of the revolution, therefore, they must be given their struggle sessions.
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And, in fact, some of the Red Guards have come out publicly now or in years since, and they said we were given wolf's milk to drink.
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We were given wolf's milk to drink in our early ages, and it turned us into young wolves.
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Dinesh, are you seeing those same patterns play out before us?
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We are, and I must say it's come as a surprise because there were many people, and I was not making this argument, but sympathetic to it, going back to the 1990s, that we are hoping and we are expecting that through trade and through constructive engagement, China will become more like us.
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And there's a phrase that one of our sources uses in the film.
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He says, we have become China plus drag queens.
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And what he means is that police states are often quite puritanical, and they are very much focused on law and order.
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But on the other hand, you can't Pyongyang or in China, you can't exactly go and start harassing someone in the subway.
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Policemen with truncheons will show up and beat you to a pulp and take you away.
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So the point I'm making is that we have a police state, but we have a police state that is oddly compatible with rampant criminality in our cities, with all kinds of open sexual deviance and perversion.
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So we are clearly manufacturing a police state that is in some respects different than other police states.
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And part of what I try to do in the movie is explain how these strange behaviors, an open border.
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Think of the Berlin Wall as a symbol of how police states wall themselves in and don't let people come in.
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So this is a movie that is not only emotionally riveting and very interesting, takes you right sort of shows you people who are feeling the hot breath of the police state on their face.
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You know, Dinesh, when I look at these things, I can't help but think of, and I know that you are a great scholar of the Gulag Archipelago and Solzhenitsyn.
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And Solzhenitsyn, in one of his final, really final statements, when they asked him, how could all of this happen?
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And he said, all of this happened because we forgot about God.
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We transformed our belief in God into an ideology of politics and of the state.
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And, in fact, when he came to Harvard back in the 1970s, he didn't come and praise our system.
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He said, I can see you following our same steps.
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Yeah, I'm doing the I'm going through the Gulag on my podcast.
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And when I started it out, I said to my audience, I said, you know, you've got to be careful.
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This is a different time and a different place.
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And he's going to sort of go into the bowels of Russian history.
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But then as we began to go through the text, I realized, no, the parallels to what's going on in America are quite startling.
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And one of the points Solzhenitsyn makes in the very beginning is that everybody is surprised when the police state comes for them.
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Even when there's a fully established police state, they don't really believe it.
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And the first thing that they say when their door is kicked in and a bunch of officers show up at their door is, why me?
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And, of course, there's no answer to that question.
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You could be on a list for 17 different reasons.
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So instead of doing the things you should do, which is fighting back, alerting your neighbors, shouting on the street as they're taking you to the car to be never seen again.
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Instead of doing those things, you kind of have this naive belief in the system.
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And I think that's where a lot of Americans are.
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We see these police state signals appearing in our country.
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Censorship, mass surveillance, political indoctrination, the criminalization of political differences, political prisoners.
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And yet, like the wildebeest, you know, or the antelope, you've got so many people who think, well, you know, I'm not Trump.
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And this is a film that says to you, you could not be more wrong.
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We have a quick break coming up, but I want to key on that specific issue, this idea that people think I didn't do anything wrong.
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And just how wrong that mentality is, is our exclusive interview, Dinesh D'Souza, the filmmaker of the new movie, Police State.
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Dinesh D'Souza, our guest, you know, you mentioned the Gulag Archipelago.
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There's another Russian tale of the beginnings of communism, and this is called Always with Honor, which is the memoir of the leader of the White Army, Pyotr Rangel.
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And so he was the one who fought the communists and the Bolsheviks during the initial Russian civil war.
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He eventually, we all know the story, they eventually lost, were pushed out of Crimea, but he was running what was essentially called South Russia there at one point.
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His memoirs are a fascinating look into the early rise of Bolshevism in a way that I don't think is captured anywhere else that I've seen.
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And he talks about how these reformers start making their way into the ranks and calling for things like social justice and racially equitable units within the military and pushing quotas for various things.
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And one of the lines that he actually talks about, and he's writing about, I believe it's St. Petersburg, so one of the main cities of the Russian Empire at the time, he says that it's just such a throwaway line, but it's so perfect.
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He writes, social life continued its usual course, as if the people at the cafes had no idea that they would become victims of the horror to come.
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And that's one line in the entire book, possibly the most important line in the entire book, written not by a historian, but someone who actually tried to stop it.
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Dinesh, why is it that so many people think it can't happen to me?
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I think here in America, there are two reasons for that.
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One is that we have in this country no experience of this kind of thing.
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We know about it, but there's a great difference between knowing about something and knowing it.
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So, you know, you know about India, but I grew up in India, so we have a different sort of knowledge about the same thing.
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So Americans tend to believe that it can't happen here, and that's a form of American innocence.
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You find it in literature going all the way back to Mark Twain.
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But it's also a little, it can be a little dangerous when things go sour as they are, as they're happening now.
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The other thing is, and this is not an American trait, there's a universal desire to believe that things are not as grave as they are.
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He's talking about a woman, a schoolteacher, who goes out into the marketplace and meets a friend who tells her,
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And she goes, yes, but I have to pack my stuff.
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I'll go back to my apartment, and I will leave on the first train tomorrow morning.
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And Solzhenitsyn says, had she only gone to the train station, she could have disappeared in the vast Soviet Union.
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And this also, by the way, shows you that technology is different now than then, right?
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Even if you go straight to the train station, they will find you.
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So these are ways in which, for example, we're now dealing with sort of Gulag 2.0.
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Technology can be an instrument of liberation, but it can also be an instrument of captivity.
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You know, and it's interesting that there's a line in Orwell that producer Fahs here just sent to me where he wrote,
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the horrible thing about the two minutes hate, and I should explain for anyone who hasn't read 1984,
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and the two minutes hate is when you're told, you're given the object, you know, the scapegoat of the week, basically,
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the person or the group, and then today would be the MAGA extremists,
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where you're told that you're forced to participate, stop what you're doing and participate in the two minutes hate
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against the counter-revolutionary extremist and the counter-revolutionary extremist leader.
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So today, obviously, that's Donald Trump and his supporters.
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The horrible thing about the two minutes hate was not that one was obliged to act apart,
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but that it was impossible to avoid joining in.
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What is he talking about in terms of human nature there?
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I think he's talking about two things, and they work very powerfully together.
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The first is the desire for conformity, the desire to be part of a crowd.
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It's the same reason Václav Havel says that shopkeepers in the old Czech Republic, Czechoslovakia,
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would put up signs that say, workers of the world unite.
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It's not that they believe in those signs, but they want to be conformists.
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They don't want to seem like they are troublemakers.
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But there's a second element that's very dangerous and in some ways even worse,
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and it taps into the worst part of human nature.
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People take a certain delight in being an informant.
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They take a certain delight in seeing somebody else dragged away.
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And this is the same people, for example, who would go up to people who weren't wearing a mask
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and sort of think of the glee and the venom that they unleashed in those scenes
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that we all saw on social media in a store or on the street.
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It's almost as if there's a little tyrant inside of every one of us,
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and we need to be on guard against that as well.
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And I think people even probably experienced it.
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And I don't want to say that every flight attendant was like this,
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but you could tell that every once in a while you'd get that person who suddenly took absolute glee
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in forcing you to put your mask on between bites,
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that the minute that they were given that truly tyrannical control over someone,
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to be able to control your actions, to control your behavior,
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to control, regardless of, and especially once they knew that someone who was upset
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at this order, at this mandate, they would even dig in further because they're exerting their will.
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It's actually extremely Nietzschean in this sense because you're exerting will over another.
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And that's essentially what totalitarian systems are based upon.
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There is this, you could say, element in human, in I would say human nature,
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where we want to give in to temptation because we want to be able to impose our will on others.
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Another way we see this exact same element is one of the puzzles I wrestled over in this movie is
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why would an ordinary FBI agent, who's basically a good guy,
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has a, you know, has a mom and has a wife and has a couple kids and lives in a three-bedroom house.
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How can that person justify to themselves kicking in an apartment,
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grabbing a 70-year-old grandmother, pulling her by the hair to the ground,
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twisting her arms behind her back and putting handcuffs on her,
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dragging her down the stairs, pulling her into the street where her neighbors come out to gawk at her,
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How, in other words, can a police state or an emerging police state
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And answering that question itself gives us an insight into the police state.
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It's evil people who can make good people do evil things.
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Tell us about, so the movie is coming out soon.
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We're also going to walk through everything that's been going on in our country.
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Well, the plan is, not the plan, but we've bought out hundreds of theaters all around the country.
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And if you go to the website, policestatefilm.net, policestatefilm.net, put in your zip code,
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And it's a really fun movie to see with friends or with your church
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or with members of a conservative or Republican group.
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If you don't want to go to the theater, and in some cases the theater may be 30 minutes or 45 minutes away,
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no problem, on Friday, October 27th, we have a virtual premiere, which is a screening of the movie
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and then a live Q&A with Dan Bongino and me to follow.
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And all of this is for the price of a movie ticket.
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So again, policestatefilm.net is kind of the one-stop shop where you buy tickets for everything.
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Dinesh, this might be one of the most important films that you've done.
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And I, you know, I'm someone who talks about 2,000 mules on a very regular basis.
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But when we look at the very real threat of this, and let me just ask you,
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because there's a newsy element to this as well, is you've got Jim Jordan in the film.
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Jim Jordan just received last night the endorsement of Donald Trump for the speakership.
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Do you feel like Jim Jordan is fully aware of the situation?
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And I also think that when I think about the kind of leader that we need, and Reagan is
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in some ways my model, I cut my teeth in politics in the Reagan era.
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The key to Reagan's success is he was philosophically conservative, sound, but temperamentally genial.
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And he was always able to bring the so-called moderates and establishment types in with him
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I might not agree with you, but I'm going to listen to you.
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He has the combination of philosophical grounding and temperamental geniality.
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That may be exactly the recipe that the House GOP needs.
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Dinesh, where can people go to follow you and get your podcast as well?
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That's where everyone can get access to this movie.
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I definitely want to make sure that I'm marking that off on my calendar.
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But I urge people to make plans early to see the film.
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You know, with 2,000 meals at the last minute, people were like,
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It's so great to see these movies in the theater, but the tickets are gone.
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So get them now, get them early, and plan to go in a group because it's really cool to see it with like-minded people.
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This is a movie that's going to fire you up like nothing else and really get you talking and thinking.
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I still remember the very first movie we took our little boy to our oldest was Death of a Nation with you at the DC premiere.
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We need to see police state, the American police state.
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I'm buzzing in my ear about the boring people at your office.
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Sadly, so many of those extremists, those mega extremists,
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take their marching orders from Donald Trump, who has no credibility left by any measure.
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At some point, you know, maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members.
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Throwing us in camps like the Uyghurs currently are in Xinjiang in China.
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You know, I'm increasingly convinced that the transition from George W. Bush to Barack Obama,
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and then from Barack Obama to Donald Trump, it actually broke the brains of liberals.
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And I specify that it's both of them for a reason.
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So under George W. Bush, liberals, especially of our age, millennials, elder millennials,
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they got used to the idea that Republicans, conservatives, or just a bunch of stupid Christian
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hillbillies, and Jon Stewart played a huge role in that.
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But then under Trump, in their minds, they just added racist to that description.
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And in other words, W made them think that we are subhuman.
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Obama made them think that they were not just our intellectual superiors, but our moral superiors.
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Trump made them think that we were subhuman and irredeemably evil, right?
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Because when it started to become clear that they weren't actually intellectually superior
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to Trump supporters, they just decided that intelligence didn't matter anymore, you know,
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These are the steps that this went through on the left, the steps that it went through
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in our media, the steps that it went through in much of the corporate world that brought
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And it'd be easy for me to sit here and say that, oh, Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist
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Party are behind this, or that it's all Klaus Schwab and it's all the World Economic Forum.
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The real red dawn isn't coming from externally.
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It's coming from people within our own country, people who are true believers, people who actually
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believe in far-left progressivism, people who would be willing, for example, to walk up to
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a crazed knife-wielding maniac in the middle of the night on a street in Brooklyn and actually believe they could
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talk him out of killing them through the power of their words, through the power of their intent.
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Because this is how strict of a level upon which they will deny reality, reality itself, human
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And the left views individuals like this or the Baltimore Tech CEO who let a rapist into her
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building, rode an elevator with him before he dragged her up to the top of the roof of her luxury
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apartment building in Baltimore and beat her and strangled her to death.
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It turns out my brother, excuse me, Josh Kruger is the left-wing activist in Philadelphia.
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Ryan Carson, Brooklyn, Josh Kruger, Philadelphia.
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And the leftist in Philadelphia, it turns out, my brother had actually crossed paths with a few times
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I've just put out a warrant for the arrest of this 19-year-old black kid who lived down the street.
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And the question is then, why do they deny reality so much?
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It's because their ideology has become a parcel of faith for them.
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They believe so fervently and radically in their own ideology, the same way that Solzhenitsyn tells us.
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And Yuri Bezmenov was exactly right about this.