We are in a 5-generational conflict. A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran, Jack Posobiec, delivers us from evil. President Vladimir Putin announces that Russia successfully tested a nuclear-powered cruise missile. A Russian attack on a village in northeastern Ukraine is now one of the deadliest in months. Former President Trump at one point said he would even be willing to take the Speaker's job himself temporarily and visit the Hill next week, but now he is endorsing House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan. Joe Biden goes out and gives a series of speeches targeting MAGA as the domestic extremists in this country. Then, Newsweek on the front cover says that the FBI has started a task force specifically dedicated to MAGA. Hillary Clinton goes on air and calls for re-education camps.
00:13:00.060And, in fact, in those images that you can see, and they're endemic to the Chinese Cultural Revolution of the 1960s, a period of which no Hollywood movie will ever be made.
00:13:09.100Those signs that they're wearing around their necks, those dunce caps, it actually says enemy of the revolution, and even extremist enemy of the revolution depicted on that sign under their necks.
00:13:23.860And the reason it's put there is because the people have been worked up into such a fervor to say that since these are enemies of the revolution, therefore, they must be given their struggle sessions.
00:13:38.980And, in fact, some of the Red Guards have come out publicly now or in years since, and they said we were given wolf's milk to drink.
00:13:47.740We were given wolf's milk to drink in our early ages, and it turned us into young wolves.
00:13:55.500Dinesh, are you seeing those same patterns play out before us?
00:13:59.300We are, and I must say it's come as a surprise because there were many people, and I was not making this argument, but sympathetic to it, going back to the 1990s, that we are hoping and we are expecting that through trade and through constructive engagement, China will become more like us.
00:14:20.080Well, what we've seen is the exact opposite.
00:14:44.060But on the other hand, you can't Pyongyang or in China, you can't exactly go and start harassing someone in the subway.
00:14:49.420Policemen with truncheons will show up and beat you to a pulp and take you away.
00:14:53.280So the point I'm making is that we have a police state, but we have a police state that is oddly compatible with rampant criminality in our cities, with all kinds of open sexual deviance and perversion.
00:15:06.880So we are clearly manufacturing a police state that is in some respects different than other police states.
00:15:13.900And part of what I try to do in the movie is explain how these strange behaviors, an open border.
00:15:31.340How is that consistent with our police state?
00:15:33.580So this is a movie that is not only emotionally riveting and very interesting, takes you right sort of shows you people who are feeling the hot breath of the police state on their face.
00:15:44.620But it's also intellectually interesting.
00:15:49.000You know, Dinesh, when I look at these things, I can't help but think of, and I know that you are a great scholar of the Gulag Archipelago and Solzhenitsyn.
00:15:58.100And Solzhenitsyn, in one of his final, really final statements, when they asked him, how could all of this happen?
00:16:04.380And he said, all of this happened because we forgot about God.
00:16:06.880We transformed our belief in God into an ideology of politics and of the state.
00:16:13.500And, in fact, when he came to Harvard back in the 1970s, he didn't come and praise our system.
00:16:19.660He said, I can see you following our same steps.
00:16:24.100Yeah, I'm doing the I'm going through the Gulag on my podcast.
00:16:28.700And when I started it out, I said to my audience, I said, you know, you've got to be careful.
00:16:32.500This is a different time and a different place.
00:16:35.500And Solzhenitsyn is a very Russian guy.
00:16:37.940And he's going to sort of go into the bowels of Russian history.
00:16:40.960But then as we began to go through the text, I realized, no, the parallels to what's going on in America are quite startling.
00:16:48.600And one of the points Solzhenitsyn makes in the very beginning is that everybody is surprised when the police state comes for them.
00:16:56.280Even when there's a fully established police state, they don't really believe it.
00:16:59.940And the first thing that they say when their door is kicked in and a bunch of officers show up at their door is, why me?
00:17:07.300And, of course, there's no answer to that question.
00:17:09.300And very often your name is on a list.
00:17:11.380You could be on a list for 17 different reasons.
00:17:14.000So instead of doing the things you should do, which is fighting back, alerting your neighbors, shouting on the street as they're taking you to the car to be never seen again.
00:17:22.860Instead of doing those things, you kind of have this naive belief in the system.
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00:20:00.300Dinesh D'Souza, our guest, you know, you mentioned the Gulag Archipelago.
00:20:04.660There's another Russian tale of the beginnings of communism, and this is called Always with Honor, which is the memoir of the leader of the White Army, Pyotr Rangel.
00:20:19.660And so he was the one who fought the communists and the Bolsheviks during the initial Russian civil war.
00:20:28.560He eventually, we all know the story, they eventually lost, were pushed out of Crimea, but he was running what was essentially called South Russia there at one point.
00:20:36.500His memoirs are a fascinating look into the early rise of Bolshevism in a way that I don't think is captured anywhere else that I've seen.
00:20:48.280And he talks about how these reformers start making their way into the ranks and calling for things like social justice and racially equitable units within the military and pushing quotas for various things.
00:21:05.020And one of the lines that he actually talks about, and he's writing about, I believe it's St. Petersburg, so one of the main cities of the Russian Empire at the time, he says that it's just such a throwaway line, but it's so perfect.
00:21:18.460He writes, social life continued its usual course, as if the people at the cafes had no idea that they would become victims of the horror to come.
00:21:30.580And that's one line in the entire book, possibly the most important line in the entire book, written not by a historian, but someone who actually tried to stop it.
00:21:41.440Dinesh, why is it that so many people think it can't happen to me?
00:21:46.280I think here in America, there are two reasons for that.
00:21:50.940One is that we have in this country no experience of this kind of thing.
00:21:55.600We know about it, but there's a great difference between knowing about something and knowing it.
00:22:02.860So, you know, you know about India, but I grew up in India, so we have a different sort of knowledge about the same thing.
00:22:10.720So Americans tend to believe that it can't happen here, and that's a form of American innocence.