EPISODE 580： HAMAS RALLIES IN THE RUST BELT, THE TRUTH ABOUT COVID W⧸ SEN. RAND PAUL & VIVEK RAMASWAMY
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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) joins host Jack Posoe (R) to discuss the latest events in the Middle East, including the latest attack on Israel by Hamas, and the potential for spillover into the wider region.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily here live, Washington, D.C.
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I know, Dominic, we're pleased to be rejoined here on Human Events Daily by Senator Rand Paul.
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Senator Paul, thank you so much for joining us and spending some time with us today.
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Now, I would be remiss if I didn't kick off this interview with asking you these horrific events,
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the ongoing situation that we see in Israel, attack by Hamas, potential for spillover into the wider region.
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What are your comments on that, and where are your priorities when you're looking at this?
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Yeah, I think I'm horrified, like every other American, to see women and children, innocent people, unarmed people being shot.
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You know, the music festival kind of brings it home for me.
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I have three boys, and they've all been to the different music festivals in the U.S.,
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and I can't imagine them going out to have a good time and listen to music and, you know, being shot point blank, having grenades thrown at people.
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There was a horrific story of a young man who apparently eyewitnesses have said had part of his arm blown off,
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tied a tourniquet around his arm, and then was taken captive and taken into Gaza.
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What they've done to the women, to children, to babies.
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I mean, it's just, you know, my heart goes out to the people, and I hope they find and meet their just desserts at some point.
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But I also hope there's a possibility that we can actually rescue some of the hostages, if not all the hostages.
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And I think that's really the priority, is rescue the hostages and then try to diminish Hamas such that they can't do this again.
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Well, I think it's exactly right, and that there have been some calls as well from others, maybe not in office, but Mike Pompeo,
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others coming out saying we should really, there's been some reporting that Iran may have been involved.
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I don't know how deeply, specifically we know about this, but people have already called.
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You can hear these sort of drums beating for strikes on Iran, moves on Iran.
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You know, after 9-11, we had some of the same emotion, and the emotions ran high.
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And some people were like, Iraq was responsible, let's bomb Iraq.
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I remember even our soldiers were convinced by false information coming from government.
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They were writing on the bombs, this is payback for 9-11.
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Now, I'm not naive enough to think Iran had nothing to do with this.
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In all likelihood, some of the missiles may turn out to be Iranian missiles.
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But at the same time, when you do something, one, if it's going to be an act of war,
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if we're going to bomb a country like Iran and we're going to become involved with the war,
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the president doesn't have the constitutional power to do that.
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And I think there should never be a war without a full-throated debate, because if we're going
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to send young American men and women to war and to possibly lose their lives, there needs
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We have to debate and vote on declaring war on that enemy.
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But it can't just be done at the flip of a switch.
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And we also have to think, what are the repercussions of it?
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And certainly, I can understand the emotional impact that these images have had.
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My family, we were actually in Israel about a year ago, not far, you know, as we were driving
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down to the Dead Sea to just visit for tourism, see the Holy Land.
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And we were, the road we took, I went back and mapped it out only about 20 minutes from where
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So I can understand people's responses, but I think you're incredibly right there, that
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we need to be sure of what America's priorities are, and that we don't turn this into another
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one of these endless situations where we find ourselves 20 years later, looking back, asking
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But when we come back, I want to ask Senator Paul, he's got a great new book out.
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Now, here on this program, we've focused so much, the gain-of-function research, Dr. Anthony
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The fact that these questions still have yet to be answered anywhere within the United States.
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We're starting to finally get some answers out, but it feels as though we haven't quite
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Senator, is the book out now, or can people pre-order it?
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It's really an in-depth discussion and really revelation of the extent of this cover-up.
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I mean, this isn't a cover-up that's just not Anthony Fauci.
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This involved hundreds of people through eight departments of government, hundreds of millions
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And basically, every bureaucrat in our government that had any linkage to dollars going to Wuhan
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The truth about COVID-19, the U.S. government, the Chinese Communist Party.
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Senator Rand Paul is here, and he's got all the receipts.
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He's got the new book out that everyone needs to receive a copy of.
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It's Deception, The Great COVID Cover-Up by Rand Paul.
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Senator, when you were writing this book, were there, there's so many things with COVID-19
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when it came to the, when I go back, I remember the initial videos we saw coming out of China.
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We had no clue what was going on to everything that we've learned to now.
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Was there anything that really stuck out at you or new information that you didn't know
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at the time that, um, that you think people need to become aware of?
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The thing that intrigued me and got me involved in this and involved with writing the book was
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that everything that Anthony Fauci and his cohorts, these other virologists were saying
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publicly, they were saying the opposite privately.
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And then it turns out that many of the people that were appointed, appointed to sort of be
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part of this, all had conflicts of interest that they weren't willing to reveal, including
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When I asked him directly under oath, whether or not he was receiving royalties from any
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of the companies manufacturing the vaccines, he refused to answer.
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When I asked him whether anybody on the committee was receiving royalties, he lashed out and accused
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me of something, but would never answer the question.
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And so there really are big, big questions and some reforms that I think should be obvious
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You shouldn't be allowed to vote on a committee if you're receiving money from the companies
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that are going to make billions of dollars by your decision.
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So, yeah, we, uh, have uncovered a lot of conflicts of interest here, but there's, there's
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And in the process, I've referred Anthony Fauci twice for criminal prosecution by the Department
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But as you know, Merrick Garland, uh, will probably not go down in history as the most objective
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But other than just prosecuting Anthony Fauci, it's important to me that the truth be told
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and that people see the evidence laid out as to the fact that this virus did come from
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It came from gain of function research that we were funding, that Anthony Fauci funded.
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But probably the most important revelation is that not only did he fund it, that he skipped
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A, uh, committee, a safety committee was supposed to oversee this.
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And this research never went before the safety committee.
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And as you look at the trail of emails from the beginning of 2020, when this coverup begins,
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you see Anthony Fauci emailing to the head of that committee at three in the morning saying,
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In committee, when I challenged Fauci over who, who reviewed this committee,
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Dozens of experts told me it wasn't gain of function.
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We get redacted stacks of paper, 250 pages of discussion over the origins of the COVID
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And our Congress has voted unanimously to declassify this.
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And some of the groups out there that have been fighting through Freedom of Information Act
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have done a great service to the country in revealing that basically almost everything
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Dr. Fauci has said publicly, he said the opposite privately.
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And so when we get these emails out, when we see this, Senator Paul, let me put it this way.
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Why did he hold them and support them through these shell companies like Equal Health Alliance
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and Peter Daszak, and then hold this in the Chinese Communist Party and lie about it?
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The interesting part of this debate is it actually starts 10 years before COVID.
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10 years before COVID, there was something called the avian flu.
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This is what you hear about when they have to kill all these millions of chickens.
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It's a flu, like the influenza, that passes among chickens very easily and occasionally
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can infect humans, but it's about 50% fatal when it affects humans.
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But there was a scientist in the Netherlands who got this great idea.
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He says, why don't we take the avian flu and see if we can make it aerosolized and more
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It's like, what kind of idiot would think that that's a great idea?
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Well, there was a big debate when the scientists did mutate the avian flu, made it more infectious
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Anthony Fauci said, well, even if it causes a pandemic, the knowledge is worthwhile.
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He literally said that, that if gain-of-function research causes a pandemic because a scientist
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gets infected and spreads it to the world, the knowledge is worthwhile.
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But there are many scientists on the other side of the coin who said, no, this is a risk.
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This is actually why there were some reforms in place to try to have a pause on this funding.
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But this is what we've discovered in the book, is that Anthony Fauci went around all
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It wasn't just the bad judgment that he thought the knowledge was worthwhile, which I think
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is an incredible misjudgment, maybe one of the worst scientific governmental judgments
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to fund something dangerous, probably one of the worst decisions ever.
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But then when he did it, he also then decided that once it became exposed, that the virus in
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all likelihood leaked from the lab, he decided to cover it up.
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And so the real crime and the real evil nature of this man is in the cover-up.
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Not so much in his belief that the knowledge might be worthwhile, but in covering the fact
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up, because he knew that the culpability, the responsibility for this pandemic would
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When it comes to the Chinese Communist Party, and here in the program, we focus on China a
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What do you see as their culpability in all of this?
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Xi Jinping, I'm sure, has read the exact same reports that you have when it comes to it.
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Do you think that this was a deliberate, I'm not going to say release, but a deliberate
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spread where they, I can't get over the fact, Senator, that they shut down the internal travel
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within China, but they continued, and in fact, in some cases, demanded foreign travel like
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What was going on there from the CCP's perspective?
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I think it would be more likely if it's a bioweapon that you're purposely releasing
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to send one person with it or 10 people with it, put them on a plane, infect them, put them
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on a plane immediately for New York, and see if you can get it rip-roaring in New York.
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This thing became rip-roaring in Wuhan, and thousands of people were being infected, and
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We also now know, and this information has been declassified, that three researchers at the
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Wuhan lab were probably the first three people to get it.
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Probably patient zero is actually a scientist by the name of Ben Hu, who worked with Dr.
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We also think that this virus was created with the intention of creating a vaccine.
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So once again, maybe not evil purposes to begin with, but an evil result.
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And the scientist over there that was involved, other than Dr. Shi, who's still alive, was a
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general by the name of Zoe Eusen, we know that he was involved, and they were involved
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And in the end, in February of 2020, only weeks into this, they have a vaccine.
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Nobody believes you can develop a vaccine in three weeks, actually in two weeks, from when
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So they think they lied about it, that this started in November, accident.
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They have a vaccine in February, but then for some reason, this doctor falls.
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But the inventor of their vaccine, and potentially the guy that was working with Dr. Shi to create
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the virus, ends up dying mysteriously two months into this.
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So there's a lot of strange things going on there.
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It's my personal belief that it was probably an accident, but then it was a cover-up.
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I mean, the cover-up begins in China, and they were dishonest to us about the sequencing.
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They originally pointed to the wet market because, for them, the wet market would be nature causing
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So Anthony Fauci, because he wants to have good relations and because he doesn't really care
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about the truth, he ultimately showed that he cared more about the relationship with China
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But really within about a month, the Chinese, even though they'd like to see it as a wet
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market, not to laugh, they can't find any animals.
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They looked through 80,000 animals, and no animals have COVID.
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And this is in contrast to 2003, 2004, when SARS-1, which is a relative of COVID, when it
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came out and caused a pandemic, they immediately, within months, found it in civets, or a type
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But to this date, COVID's not been found in wild animals.
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Well, that's right, because people have always said that we have to find the pass-through
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species whereby in COVID, pass-through one species and then became essentially humanized
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or human attenuated so that it could infect humans.
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I would argue that I think we know exactly where the pass-through species is.
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They're the lab rats and the lab mice in the Wuhan lab.
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That's what the pass-through species was, especially when they were specifically engineering
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And it's the one thing that points this in the direction of the lab versus animals.
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When viruses come from animals, they don't infect humans very well in the beginning.
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They're adapted to infect the animal, but they don't infect humans very well.
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So when you start out and you look at the genetic sequence of this virus, there's many different
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lineages because it's trying to infect humans, not doing very well until it gets lucky and
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infects a human as a mutation, then it takes off among humans.
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But what we found with COVID is this was already pre-adapted.
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They had mice with humanized lungs in their lab.
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They run the virus through the humanized lung over and over again, and the virus adapts itself.
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There was a good book called Viral by Alina Chan and Matt Ridley, and in that, they talk
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about how the virus showed up already pre-adapted.
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It wasn't clumsy in the beginning like most other animal viruses.
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It got in humans, and look, it found a place it already loved.
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But the only way it does that is if it was pre-adapted in the lab.
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Senator, we've got about one minute left with you before our break.
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Where can people go to get the book to finally learn the truth about COVID-19 and both Fauci
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You can get it online at any of the booksellers, but it started becoming available yesterday,
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and we're hoping people will get it because in it, we also talk about the solution, and
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the solution is that government needs to have more significant regulation on this funding.
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The funding shouldn't be for anything, and the people making the rules, the people in
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the oversight can't be the people receiving the money.
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You can't be objective if your boss says you get $9 million if you rule one way.
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It has to be people completely independent, and this is as serious as nuclear weapons.
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You know, so we don't let anybody have enriched uranium.
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We don't let anybody create atomic bombs in their basement.
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We have rules on selling of uranium and buying uranium.
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These are influences, and they're friends of mine.
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We are not going to be intimidated by staying silent when they say Hamas is a terrorist organization.
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The fact that it is not a terrorist organization.
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And we have to say to them that a terrorist is Benjamin Netanyahu and his government.
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And not only Benjamin Netanyahu and his government, but everyone that stands behind him and support him killing people in Palestine.
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Jack, we're back here live, Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C.
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Those images you just saw, and I think we've got some crowd images we'll be able to show you.
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That's not a rally that's being held in the Middle East.
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That's not a rally that's being held in Europe.
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That's a rally that's being held in the Midwest, in the Rust Belt of the United States.
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We talk about Dearborn when we talk about the presidential races, and we talk about Michigan and the Rust Belt as one of the key battlegrounds of this country, also a place that's experienced great economic degradation.
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And yet you see this rally now that is essentially a pro-Hamas rally, saying Hamas is not the terrorist.
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Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy joins us once again here at Human Events Daily.
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Vivek, thank you so much for being here and spending time with us today.
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You know, how did we get to a point where there are rallies in Michigan, right, Michigan, the Midwest, you know, the auto zone,
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the place of the three bigs where they're rallying, and this is a crowd where, and we're going to show it in a second.
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I mean, it looks like there's hundreds of people at this thing.
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So this is an important issue, Jack, and there's a lot of different dangers to the United States.
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One of the unforeseen dangers right now, and I want us to use this catastrophe in Israel as a chance to remind ourselves in this country that if that can happen in Israel,
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and that was an awful event, it was the 9-11 equivalent in Israel, that can happen right here at home at a time when we have disastrous immigration policies,
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disastrous anti-Americanism running rampant, people in this country with no loyalty to the United States,
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open borders that are easy for people to invade this country,
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that is a risk with sleeping terror cells in this country, in our own homeland, that we haven't addressed.
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But the irony here, Jack, is that we have to still adopt a response here that puts American interests first.
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And so it's easy to get pulled in a lot of different directions here,
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but my view is that Israel has absolutely the right and responsibility to defend itself,
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that the United States should absolutely be diplomatically and morally, and even in terms of munitions,
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behind Israel as it does, because Israel is not the same situation as Ukraine.
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Israel matters to the U.S. national interest in a way that Ukraine does not.
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But at the same time, do it in a way that is very clear we will not be in favor of a broader regional war
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that draws the United States into it, and at the same time use this as a wake-up call to protect our own homeland here at home
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against that very type of Islamic jihadism and terrorism that absolutely can affect the United States
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at a moment when our own homeland is vulnerable.
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So there's a lot of different considerations there, and I think this is a time for cool-headed responses.
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You see histrionics from the likes of Lindsey Graham today or Nikki Haley or Mike Pence in recent days.
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Finish them. Finish them. Just do it. Level them.
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Without an actual clear-headed strategy of exactly how we're supposed to respond.
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And that's what I've been trying to do is to draw a very clear response for how we will have Israel's back.
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We will support Israel, but in a way that advances American interests and avoids all-out regional war in the Middle East
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while focusing on protecting Americans right here in the homeland where we are as vulnerable as we have ever been.
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So I know that's a lot, but it's important to see the full picture.
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Well, I think it's exactly right, and I've said before many times that Israel clearly has legitimate security concerns
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when you're dealing with a group like that that's right on your border.
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You've called for taking action against the cartels in very similar situation,
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very similar types of action that we're seeing now.
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But when it comes to the response of some of your contenders, other contenders for the presidential primary,
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it seems like this situation, and to be fair, this is a horrific attack.
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The videos that I've seen, there are videos that I can't even post.
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We were actually in real time as the videos of that kibbutz were coming out.
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I think one of the places first in all of media right here on Human Events Daily.
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But at the same time, it feels as though the other candidates don't get quite this incensed
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when it's something to do with the United States directly.
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There's something about this issue that just really activates them differently
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than when we talk about the thousands of Americans killed by fentanyl,
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when we talk about the problems of our own border,
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when we get into the questions of, as we can see now in Dearborn, Michigan,
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the questions of refugee resettlement that lead to issues like this.
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Why do you think this issue, for one, causes such a different reaction?
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Well, I think I want to point out something, Jack.
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It's not just this issue, because we see the same with respect to Ukraine, too.
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But it's the kind of moral good guys versus bad guys abroad that, yes, will be a galvanizing issue
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for the Nikki Haley's and the Mike Pence's and the John Boltons and the Chris Christie's
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and the, you know, Karl Rove's of the world, the historical traditional Republican Party.
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Yet they, nobody, I mean, Ron DeSantis got on a bullhorn trying to recreate a George Bush 9-11 moment.
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Give me that bullhorn for the 100,000 people that are going to die in this country of fentanyl poisoning
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that's intentional, dealt in many cases by the Chinese to the Mexican drug cartels over here.
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Not the same level of anger, not the same level of emotional response.
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And so my view is we have to unapologetically in this country, once and for all,
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embrace what George Washington would have said, and we've said ever since,
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America first principles, put the interests of citizens in our own homeland first.
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Does that mean that Israel is the same situation as Ukraine?
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We will analyze each situation uniquely, but we will analyze it through the sole consistent
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prism of what advances the interests of Americans right here in the homeland.
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And the fact of the matter is that has not been shared by much of the Republican Party
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I think people are now viewing this vacuum in this election as a chance to revive that
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Republican Party of old that will use foreign conflicts as a deflection for the failure to
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address the interests of American citizens right here at home.
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But that's what we're seeing in this Republican primary is a fundamental ideological divide between
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those of us who believe that the U.S. president has a exclusive moral obligation to Americans
00:26:48.880
right here at home and those who believe that it is the important role of the U.S. president
00:26:53.820
to advance the interests of everyone in the world.
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And in some cases, ironically, even the interests of people sitting in Ukraine or other countries
00:27:00.480
more than it is to advance the interests of Americans at home.
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Certainly, they're an ally at a deeper level than Ukraine is or ever will be.
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But at the same time, it does not advance our national interests to just march willy-milly
00:27:18.120
blindly into another failed, prolonged conflict in the Middle East.
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We made disastrous mistakes in response, in going into places like Iraq and Afghanistan,
00:27:36.240
in Afghanistan far longer than we should have ever been there, in Iraq where we should have
00:27:41.360
Three trillion dollars of our taxpayer money expended.
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Even more importantly, thousands upon thousands of American lives.
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I don't want to see us make that mistake again.
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And if I'm commander-in-chief, I'll make sure we don't.
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But even if I'm talking to Bibi in Israel as a friend, the thing I would tell him is,
00:27:58.660
We have made some of our worst mistakes as knee-jerk emotional responses to horrific
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Hamas should not be allowed to get away with it.
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But at the same time, be careful not to be drawn into something that does not advance
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And as I'm leading the United States, I will make sure that we're not drawn into something
00:28:23.420
that doesn't advance our own national interest either.
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And I think that's the kind of candor we need in putting America first.
00:28:30.560
I think that's better for America, better for Israel, and better for the world.
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My job is worrying about this country, which I won't apologize for.
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Well, and we've only got about a minute here until the break, but I'll also point out that
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you were excoriated, by the way, for holding this position at the presidential debates recently.
00:28:50.220
But I would also point out that because of the Ukraine war, you mentioned munitions, by the way,
00:28:58.140
that this isn't, you know, this is not like some unlimited source of ammo and artillery that the U.S.
00:29:04.860
So the New York Times actually reported back in January of this year that the United said,
00:29:09.200
the Biden administration, in their wisdom and genius, decided to take artillery shells that
00:29:15.220
were meant for Israel, that were actually in Israel, that were destined for the IDF, sent them to Ukraine
00:29:21.100
to help this ill-fated counteroffensive up there.
00:29:25.600
Now, IDF doesn't have the artillery shells and could potentially, we're getting reports,
00:29:31.300
very much fog of war, but they could potentially be facing an artillery duel with Hezbollah right now,
00:29:38.520
the Iron Dome operating on lower capacity, because we took munitions that were meant for Israel, for Ukraine.
00:29:45.300
So people seem to think that we have this magic wand, and I would talk to the, you know,
00:29:50.400
the Nikki Haley's and the Mike Pompeo's and say, where is all this coming from, right?
00:29:55.180
Do you think that we just have like an unlimited, you know, it's like Santa Claus in his magic bag
00:30:00.000
of toys, where we could just pull all of these things from?
00:30:02.620
No, we depleted our manufacturing base in the United States.
00:30:07.580
We depleted by sending our factories and jobs overseas, and instead we imported into those
00:30:11.920
very same places, like Michigan, Hamas rallies.
00:30:21.640
After that, our homeland defenses that are badly missing right here at home.
00:30:25.900
I think we need the equivalent of an Iron Dome in the United States, where we're badly
00:30:31.700
So I think we have to have a hierarchy of priorities that are linked to putting the interests
00:30:39.140
And the fact that that's crass to say, I can't tell you the number of objections I've gotten
00:30:43.360
in the last 48 hours calling my idiotic America first comments.
00:30:47.000
No, that is sound, that is honest, that's the kind of leadership we need in this country.
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He's running for president of America, as it turns out.
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You're running for president in this country because it seems like some of these other candidates are campaigning for other countries' presidencies, maybe.
00:32:50.240
They're campaigning either for the presidency of the UN or the presidency of the board of directors of Boeing or Lockheed Martin.
00:33:01.680
And I think that one of the areas we haven't discussed, and I think there hasn't been a lot of discussion,
00:33:06.200
is some of the nutty policies that we're continuing to pursue in parallel that don't directly relate to what happened between Hamas and Israel,
00:33:13.400
which was a disaster and I think deserves to be condemned to what Hamas did.
00:33:16.780
But we cannot fan the flames of a broader regional war in the Middle East.
00:33:22.480
And I think if you're someone like a Nikki Haley who is literally set up to profit,
00:33:27.840
if you look at prior investments in current military contracting lines of business in recent years
00:33:32.820
or advising military-founded investment firms that invest in choke points to make money off of World War III,
00:33:40.320
you are disqualified from getting anywhere near the White House.
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One of those boneheaded policies of the Biden administration playing out now with Republicans dancing along
00:33:48.940
is the discussion around transferring nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia.
00:33:55.740
We should not want to see nuclear proliferation further in the Middle East.
00:33:59.780
We've got to make sure that Iran fully phases out any of its nuclear capabilities.
00:34:03.680
That is a vital U.S. interest and Israeli interest as well.
00:34:08.540
But that's where the Republican Party would be united.
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But where is everybody else saying the same thing with respect to Saudi Arabia?
00:34:15.240
So we can go into depth on a lot of these issues, Jack.
00:34:18.140
But the bottom line is we have a neocon chokehold on still much of the Republican Party
00:34:24.240
that is almost rooting for all-out war in Russia,
00:34:28.340
that is now taking steps to increase the risk of all-out regional war,
00:34:32.880
that doesn't advance either the U.S. or Israeli interest as opposed to having a clear, cool, level-headed, rational,
00:34:40.620
not emotional, but rational plan of exactly how Israel will correctly defend its right to national self-existence
00:34:48.880
to the fullest extent possible with our back, diplomatically, intelligence, and munition support to do it,
00:34:54.760
but without letting this spiral into all-out regional war.
00:34:58.000
We have seen that movie play out before. That is not what advances American interests.
00:35:03.000
And I'm frankly appalled, Jack, that of the people who are on that last debate stage
00:35:07.780
or who will be on the next one, that I am the only voice that's able to speak with this level of clarity,
00:35:14.480
pro-American clarity on this issue, because that's the kind of leadership
00:35:17.360
that we're going to need in this country, or else we're going to march ourselves into one disaster after another.
00:35:22.220
Well, that's exactly right, and people can, I think, rightly assess that this was done to break up the peace talks
00:35:30.160
between Saudi Arabia and Israel that were already going on.
00:35:33.200
I should say diplomatic recognition talks that were already going on, things that happened,
00:35:37.380
you know, got started under the Trump administration when a lot of the Arab Gulf nations recognized Israel
00:35:42.080
for the first time, like the Emiratis under the Abraham Accord.
00:35:48.140
The Biden administration seemed to be going along with this, but then they're also paying off Iran to $6 billion.
00:35:53.520
Now Hamas comes in. They're clearly trying to ignite a wider war, which would lead to the eventual destruction of Israel.
00:36:00.040
They literally talk about it every five seconds. Every time you give them a microphone, it's the first thing they say.
00:36:04.440
So I don't think it's hard to figure out what Hamas' overall goal is here, but I really question why it is our goal.
00:36:10.620
And to your point about the Saudi nuclear technology, that was a question that I even asked National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster
00:36:17.600
when he was serving in the Trump administration because he had been talking about this same scheme
00:36:23.380
of giving nuclear technology to the Saudis, completely interrupting and unbalancing the balance of power
00:36:31.680
within the Middle East as it is. Iran claims they're close to a bomb.
00:36:37.020
I personally think they probably have one or two sitting on the shelf at this point.
00:36:42.660
They've told the Saudis that they'd be more than happy to let them use theirs if it ever came to it.
00:36:46.780
So again, it's an absolute tinderbox. And oh, by the way, and I know you've been outspoken on this,
00:36:52.380
is it a good idea or a bad idea that we've completely outsourced all of our energy needs to this region?
00:36:59.660
It's an awful idea. I mean, the fact of the matter is we're weakening ourselves here at home
00:37:04.420
by failing to drill and frack and do the things that even as recently as three to four years ago
00:37:09.460
we were doing in this country to now shackle our own energy production and make ourselves slaves
00:37:15.620
of other countries that then exercise leverage back over us. So personally, Jack, I do think I love
00:37:21.980
the Abraham Accords. I want to lead this country to Abraham Accords 2.0. I think we should get Saudi
00:37:27.180
Arabia and Oman and Qatar and Indonesia into that pact. But what you need is strong leadership to be
00:37:32.820
able to bring everybody's interest to the table without getting effectively dragged along for a ride
00:37:38.000
where Saudi Arabia can say that they need nuclear technology to do it. Forget about that. That
00:37:43.040
wouldn't have happened under the Trump administration as a condition, and it wouldn't
00:37:46.180
happen under mine. But they're taking advantage of Biden's weakness partly because they have more
00:37:50.740
leverage. Why? Because they've constrained the permitting process to produce oil and gas in this
00:37:55.820
country in the name of fighting nebulous climate change, an agenda that's a hoax because we shift those
00:38:01.700
very carbon emissions to places from Saudi Arabia to China on the other side of the world.
00:38:06.140
That's senseless, but it is anti-American at its core. And I do think that, Jack, it's important
00:38:12.700
to call this out. I'm using the word war in a different sense here, but we are at a kind of
00:38:18.420
war in the United States right now. It is a war between the majority of us. I truly believe it's
00:38:24.740
the majority of us who believe in our national values, who believe in the founding ideals of this
00:38:29.700
country, and who will fight for them to the death if necessary to defend our homeland.
00:38:33.280
And then a fringe anti-American minority that has the current Democratic Party in a chokehold,
00:38:39.340
but it goes beyond partisan politics, a fringe minority that hates this country and what we
00:38:43.660
stand for. That's what the climate change agenda is about constraining the United States. But now you
00:38:49.620
see what disastrous impact that has abroad in terms of causing us to now make weakened foreign policy
00:38:55.500
decisions abroad that ironically take us into an actual hot war that we shouldn't be in in places
00:39:01.100
ranging from Russia to now, God forbid, the Middle East. So it takes clarity and rationality,
00:39:07.160
not just emotional knee-jerk responses, yelling, finish them, finish them, screeching that Nikki Haley.
00:39:12.880
It has no meaning. It is meaningless. Lindsey Graham, Mike Pence, others doing the same thing
00:39:17.880
versus asking calmly, how do we advance American interests? I've laid out some simple things we can do,
00:39:25.220
confirm an ambassador to Israel for one where we don't actually have one now,
00:39:28.540
end nuclear proliferation across the board, be it in Iran. Yes, they have to have full
00:39:33.740
zero, fully get to zero in nuclear capabilities. But Saudi Arabia, we shouldn't be handing over
00:39:39.900
nuclear capabilities to them either. Tell the UN, put them on notice. We're not going to be okay with
00:39:45.300
the UN drawing false equivalences between these terrorists who attack Israel and Israel defending
00:39:50.080
its own existence. No, we're going to lead diplomatically, give Israel the space that it
00:39:55.220
needs to make the decisions it needs to defend its own national self-existence. But instead of using
00:40:00.720
this as an excuse to march our way into one broader regional war, just as we're sleepwalking our way
00:40:05.660
into with Russia, Ukraine, now doing this on another frontier, when our own homeland is as badly
00:40:11.520
vulnerable as we have been in a very long time. No, we have to get that back in reverse, secure our own
00:40:17.560
borders, our own cyber defense capabilities, our own super EMP, electromagnetic pulse defenses that could
00:40:23.780
otherwise take out our electric grid, an iron dome against nuclear missile defense in this country,
00:40:28.840
basic border defenses using our own military to seal our own southern border. That needs to be
00:40:33.760
our concern in this country. And even dealing with the possibility of terrible sleeper cells
00:40:38.240
that could exist because of those disastrous policies. Well, I know we saw the video. We've
00:40:42.620
got about one minute left. There's another new candidate, by the way, getting in the race. His name
00:40:45.620
is RFK. He's been outspoken on climate change. How do you think he shakes up the race? And I apologize
00:40:50.740
it being the last minute here. Yeah, I'm not a, I'm not a political horse race analyst. What I will
00:40:55.180
say is I respect him for defecting from the orthodoxy of the democratic party, standing against
00:40:59.900
the weaponization of government, the weaponization of financial markets and for free speech. I think
00:41:04.540
he is off the reservation when it comes to questions like climate change or racial equity. So he and I
00:41:09.900
have some deep seated disagreements, but I respect anybody who's going to stand up to an establishment
00:41:14.900
within their own party. I'm doing that on our side and I respect him for doing it on the democratic side,
00:41:19.920
now going independent. Ultimately though, I think this is going to be a race between the two parties.
00:41:23.880
And I think that he's an independent voice. I congratulate him for it, but I don't think
00:41:27.480
it's going to have a huge impact on the race. All right, Vivek Ramaswamy, go give him a look,
00:41:32.600
folks. He's saying stuff that needs to be heard. I'm always listening to human events with Jack
00:41:40.800
Posobiec. All right, guys, Jack Posobiec back here, live human events daily, Washington, DC.
00:41:47.400
You know, folks, when we look at these situations, these horrific images coming out of Israel,
00:41:56.160
coming out of the Middle East, we say, thank God that could never happen here. Thank God we're not
00:42:00.420
there. And then I see these clips coming out of the Midwest. Let's go back because we've got some
00:42:08.440
more audio. Guys, can we play SOT 2? Can we play SOT 2 right here? Because this is information that
00:42:16.400
you need to see. No one else has these videos. SOT 2, guys. This is the rally outside. This is
00:42:24.600
Dearborn, Michigan. This is the Midwest of the United States. This isn't some Middle Eastern. It's not even
00:42:30.460
some, you know, you know, Harvard or one of these places. No, no, this is the Midwest. Do we have SOT 2?
00:42:37.000
So don't let them get it twisted. This is not complicated. When you go to a Black Lives Matter
00:42:43.640
rally, you see Palestinian flags. When you go to a white supremacy rally, you see Israeli flags.
00:42:49.660
This is not complicated. When Zionists march down the street, they say death to Arabs. When we march
00:42:55.900
down the street, we say free, free Palestine. This is not difficult, everybody. Palestine will be
00:43:04.360
free. Louder. From the river to the sea. No justice. No free. No justice. No free. Free, free Palestine.
00:43:15.420
Free, free Palestine. The American government said what happened last Saturday was unprovoked.
00:43:21.140
We don't want to be violent. We are not violent people. We are full of love. But when you have 75
00:43:27.360
years of ethnic cleansing, 56 years of occupation, 15 years of a blockade, that means nothing is
00:43:34.800
unprovoked in Palestine. Free, free Palestine. Free, free Palestine. Free, free Palestine. Free, free Palestine.
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that's the midwest midwest of the united states i think we have another side guys do we let's do
00:43:57.620
let's do sought three because there's more to this this is bg on the scene by the way you guys
00:44:03.940
have to go follow him on twitter x bg on the scene sought three before you end the occupation in
00:44:10.580
palestine we have to end the occupation in congress
00:44:18.740
in order to do that you need to be active you need to get involved every politician like amir says
00:44:27.780
that comes into this community and wants our vote and wants our money he better support the palestinian
00:44:35.940
cops and don't come here because if you don't support the palestinians you have no humanity
00:44:45.540
and if you have no humanity and you don't believe in justice you have no right to serve and represent us
00:44:56.020
so i'm gonna say something that i don't know you know you watch these videos and you start thinking
00:45:04.420
okay well you know which you know who was there first israel had the kingdom of israel they were
00:45:10.260
gone the the arabs came in because here's my question all right here's my question right now
00:45:16.580
what are these people doing in our country why are they bringing the blood feuds and the tribal conflicts
00:45:27.460
from thousands of miles away here into our shores this is ridiculous that's the midwest we're talking
00:45:35.780
about that's the rust belt that's michigan that's michigan we outsourced our jobs and we imported
00:45:48.020
hamas rallies right into the rust belt this is the refugee resettlement program that started under
00:45:55.060
obama but lots of republicans are for this and they'll say oh well you know this is good we just
00:46:01.220
have to help the the poor refugees really why is that our duty the middle east is full of oil rich
00:46:10.900
countries that got plenty of land let me tell you something that land is not something they are short
00:46:16.020
of in the middle east how about you go to saudi arabia how about you go to egypt how about you go to
00:46:20.820
any other jordan any other one in the region you say you know what hey there's going to be some
00:46:25.140
refugees coming out of this thing you're going to take them and oh by the way we found a bunch
00:46:29.060
of guys turns out we had them and here's a word all right here's a word that i'm going to throw out
00:46:32.660
there it's very simple it's called denaturalization denaturalize and deport denaturalize and deport
00:46:41.940
get used to it because that's what's going to be coming you know in this country we used to denaturalize
00:46:47.140
and strip the citizenship of anarchists and communists that were foreign born and we sent
00:46:52.900
them back we sent them back where they belong bye bye see you later arrivederci all right how do you
00:47:02.180
say it in arabic i don't know i should know that one look they shouldn't be in our country this was a
00:47:10.660
fool's errand remember all the base dearborn memes all the base dear oh yeah yeah yeah we're gonna we're
00:47:17.860
gonna get rid of the lgbt in classrooms we're gonna get rid of the lgbt in classrooms yeah because those
00:47:22.420
people want to replace it with literature that talks about killing the jews that talks about being pro
00:47:30.340
hamas that wants to incite terrorist attacks like this that's what they would rather have in the
00:47:35.620
classrooms when you're putting out stuff like this oh okay all right get them out get them out on the
00:47:43.940
first plane we can take a donation we can we can set up a drive on give send go to send them back
00:47:51.060
literally give send them back and go home we'll give then we'll send them back and they can go home
00:47:59.940
it's as simple as that folks i don't understand why people don't talk like this anymore if you're
00:48:04.420
going to go and support something like that that's fine you know that's great you go ahead and do that
00:48:09.460
in your home country in another place far from our borders far from our lands far from the
00:48:15.780
neighborhoods where my children play where my children go to we're hanging halloween decorations
00:48:23.460
and then you're putting up hamas flags and chanting like this no get them all out get every
00:48:29.460
single one of them out and it's it's simple as that it's your choice right you're here you won
00:48:34.740
the lucky lottery and you got to come to the united states and then you're going to act like this no
00:48:38.660
guess what this is still the united states of america and the people of this country have a sacred
00:48:44.100
right as to who is in it and who isn't and it's as simple as that it's really as simple as that and if
00:48:49.940
you don't believe that guess what airplanes right there airports right there it's a big planet
00:48:55.220
what 190 plus countries pick one get out and i'm i'm sick of this i'm i'm actually sick of this
00:49:02.340
and republicans will go along with the two say okay it's legal immigration it's legal immigration
00:49:07.140
yo abortion is legal too does that make it right so it's it's so ridiculous it's so ridiculous
00:49:13.780
and i'm i'm done making apologies i'm not going to apologize anymore for protecting my family
00:49:21.540
ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to let us show you