EPISODE 589： HIS NAME IS OWEN SHROYER
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J.O. Owen Schroeder is on his way to Federal Prison, where he will be tried as an accessory to a federal conspiracy to commit perjury, conspiracy to obstruct justice, and obstruction of justice, among other charges.
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The test for the West and for civilization is Hamas.
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Today, here at home, hundreds of people filled the streets of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, calling for an end to the attacks on civilians in Gaza.
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What is this level of concern right now about the potential rise of anti-Semitism in light of everything that's going on in Israel?
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Muslim and those perceived to be Muslim have endured a disproportionate number of hate-fueled attacks.
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And certainly, President Biden understands that many of our Muslim Arab Americans and Palestinian American loved ones and neighbors are worried about the hate being directed at their communities.
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Republican members of Congress planned to nominate a new candidate for Speaker of the House today, three weeks after deposing former Speaker Kevin McCarthy.
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All the candidates gave their pitch to their colleagues last night with a key figure in the background, former President Donald Trump.
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To every American who is terrified that Crooked Joe's weakness will cause catastrophic global conflict.
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I will restore peace through strength and we will prevent, we will stop World War III.
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Owen Schroer here, and I am about to turn myself in to be a speech prisoner in Biden's America.
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As an attorney who is also a Christian, I take my responsibilities as a lawyer very seriously, and I endeavor to be a person of sound moral and ethical character in all of my dealings.
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In the wake of the 2020 presidential election, I believed that challenging the results on behalf of President Trump should be pursued in a just and legal way.
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I endeavored to represent my client to the best of my ability.
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I relied on others, including lawyers with many more years of experience than I, to provide me with true and reliable information, especially since my role involved speaking to the media and to legislators in various states.
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What I did not do, but should have done, Your Honor, was to make sure that the facts the other lawyers alleged to be true were, in fact, true.
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In the frenetic pace of attempting to raise challenges to the election in several states, including Georgia, I failed to do my due diligence.
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Today's edition of Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec.
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Today, struggle sessions, show trials, American gulags.
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Today, Owen Schroer is on his way to federal prison.
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You see, Owen's not just going to jail for himself.
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He's going to jail for all of us, whether you believe in free speech or you think it's just a punchline.
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That's what this day is about to come for all of us.
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How are you going to act when you get the knock at the door?
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Are you going to show the same courage that Owen did?
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Or are you going to roll on your friends, your family, your neighbors?
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For doing his job as an American and a journalist?
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They want you to be questioning every click on your mouse pad, every like on X.
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They won't be satisfied until the silent majority is silenced forever.
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That's why we stand for people like Trump, who's been arrested four times already.
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The one man standing up for peace, standing up for freedom.
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We're in the middle of perhaps the greatest tribulation our republic has ever seen.
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And the only way out, ladies and gentlemen, the only way out is through.
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James Lindsay joins us for the rest of the show.
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We are going to go through this because we are facing internal regime crackdowns and external sleepwalking into World War III.
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He is a literal scum human, as you can see on his ex account.
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Now, Dr. Lindsay, I just have to ask you, you know, where I titled this show Struggle
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My question for you is, why is it that nobody predicted this, that no one in America saw that
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we were heading down this road, that nobody really connected all the dots and put it together?
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Why were we so blindsided by this occurring here on American soil?
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Well, it's basically because as good and decent and responsible people, we've all shied away
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very carefully from anything that would be called a conspiracy theory.
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If you do, the SPLC calls you out, puts you on a list.
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And we only say very careful and responsible things.
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For example, that we would never suggest that there's cultural Marxism in the United States.
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We would never suggest that there's a Maoist cultural revolution happening in the United
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We would never even mention the words Agenda 2030 because that's literally a conspiracy
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It's because we're responsible, Jack, that nobody could see this coming because nobody talked
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about it except for people who would traffic in conspiracy theories that nobody should ever
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associate with because that would result in you being a conspiracy theorist too.
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So these conspiracy theories, they're not just bad thoughts.
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And in fact, that's why it's, you know, Owen Schroer is not going to jail for speech.
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And of course, this is right and good because that is why Owen Schroer, inmate number 05937,
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Of course, not only does he, should he be behind bars, but the, you know, the really
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only problem here is that Owen's not going to jail for much longer, isn't it?
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Because when Mao Zedong, for example, was running China in the 1950s and he had his prisons
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before the Cultural Revolution, but even going into the Cultural Revolution, they labeled
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And they were classified under the black class of enemies of the people.
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And enemies of the people need to be locked up.
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They need to be put through a struggle session so that they learn to confess to the crimes
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that they committed against the people so that they can see from the people's standpoint.
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And after they see from the people's standpoint and confess to their crimes in true sincerity
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and have been fully thought reformed, then they can reenter society as part of the people
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that fights for the socialist discipline and socialist revolution that's at hand, because
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Now, let me explain this for the folks at home.
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Why is it so important that these enemies of the people or as Mao called them enemies of
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Why is it so important that they recant their wrong thought?
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Why is it so important that they embrace truth?
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Why is it so important that they love Big Brother in the end?
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Well, the thing is, Jack, honestly, it's not actually that important that they recant their
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It's important that they show everybody that they caved in and gave in and wanted to do better.
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It's really about the demonstration to the people themselves, to encourage the people,
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to moralize the people, to get them to understand that the stakes of the situation are very serious.
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So it's really more about the public recanting than it is about recanting or repenting or
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It's all about making sure that the public knows that the state has the power to make
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sure that people will stand in front of them and confess fully to crimes that were completely
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made up on arbitrary terms so that, you know, the glory of the state can continue.
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And even during and obviously you're mentioning the 50s, but even during the 1960s in the Chinese
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Cultural Revolution, when it was rampant with these struggle sessions conducted largely by
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the Red Guard youth at the time, this is when Mao decided to throw away even the party cadres
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and the courts and just went straight to essentially youth to allow this to go through and extremely
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fervent extremism, brutalism that came out in these sessions where in some cases they wouldn't
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even have to actually personally say something because they came up with a new system because
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sometimes, you know, there's just the practicalities of getting someone, you need microphones and
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plus if you've beaten them around the head, face and neck too much, it's hard for them to get the voice
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So what they, they, they found a better way to do it and all they did, remember logistics
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Uh, they put a big sign around their neck reading essentially, uh, anti, anti-revolutionary
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In some cases, this is my favorite one, literal term, right wing extremist.
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They just painted it on a giant sign and made it hang around your neck before, you know,
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sometimes they'll let you go home, other times they send you to the gulag every once in a
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You've got summarily executed with one bullet in the back of the head and then your family
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Um, the most famous or maybe it's not the most famous to most people of these episodes happened
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to the guy named Lu Xiaoqi who was given, uh, the, the, the chairman seat of the CCP when
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Lu Xiaoqi after, um, Mao stepped down for the great leap forward and, you know, a hundred million
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people dying and destruction of China's economy.
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So they made him step down while he wasn't really going to have that, he unleashed the
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And so in the Red Guard in 1967, about a year and a half into their, to their, their escapades
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round up Lu Xiaoqi, the president of the CCP, drag him out, put the whole show on for the
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public, for them to see, waving the red books, denouncing him, shaming him, hanging the thing
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And they say, no, you're an enemy of the people.
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They send him off to the countryside to die in misery.
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And then the punchline of the whole story is just glorious.
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Like a month and a half or so, two months later, Mao decides that the Red Guard has become
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too radical and too left and has to be put down by the People's Liberation Army so that
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they can move on to the next phase of building socialism, which is, it doesn't have any use
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It has, it has a different set of purposes at that point.
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Well, it's a good thing we don't have any destabilizing youth movements in this country
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We don't have a Green Guard that's being encouraged by Barack Obama and Joe Biden and
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Yeah, they've all dropped all their other causes to back the Palestinian Liberation Organization.
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It's very odd how, you know, we don't have those here, but sometimes it feels like we
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Yeah, it feels like there might be some, I don't know, revolutionary youth movement backing
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a proto-communist Islamo-terrorist group overseas because they're essentially extrapolating that
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form of oppressor versus oppressive situation overseas, again, through their lens, and then
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applying it here to the United States and really Western countries in general, declaring us
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And then, of course, taking the philosophical notes of certain, I don't know, shall we say
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Caribbean-type philosophers and saying that any violence that's done in the name of decolonization
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There's nothing like that would ever happen in the U.S.
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No, it's like as I watch on the screen, there's footage of a San Francisco high school, and
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I think about the big, gigantic side of a building in San Francisco painted with a very
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I can't imagine something like that being anything like what we're seeing here in the
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Now, of course, Greta Thunberg just got in trouble, yet again, on the social medias, on
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the Twitter, for putting out some stuff in favor of Palestine, including some anti-Semitic
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dog whistles or something like this, and then she deleted it all, and it's all this big
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She had a very anti-Semitic stuffed animal perched on her shoulder, apparently.
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No, nothing like this could possibly happen in this society.
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Only a bad element or a right-wing extremist would share something like that.
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You know, you'd end up on an SPLC watch list, like I said.
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You'll end up getting called domestic terrorists by the FBI.
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All kinds of crazy things will happen to you, and obviously, the state is always right, and
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So, you know, like they said, in China, man, woman, boy, girl, we're all the same.
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We have the exact same things not happening here under any circumstances, because, man,
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Yes, and of course, as then, and of course, the SPLC union coming out with a full-throated
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We congratulate the SPLC union for being such fervent supporters of Hamas and their
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He's breaking down for us all the things that are not happening in the United States.
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Thank goodness these things are not sweeping across the West, inculcated through the radicalization
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centers of the university system, which, by the way, are given a free flow of funding
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And I would just like to say, of course, to anyone else who might be watching,
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Tiananmen Square is the birthplace of the sun itself.
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These are influences, and they're friends of mine.
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All right, Jack Prasovic back here live, Human Events Daily.
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And man, I wish we could do the sarcasm bit for the entire show.
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But unfortunately, no, we are living through these times.
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But you and I were chatting offline about this.
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And we have a long piece up at humanevents.com really talking about how this Hamas situation
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has really broken up a lot of the coalition of intersectionality.
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And a lot of people are pointing out to the fact that this is a huge issue for wokeness.
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Then you have BLM coming out in full-throated support of Hamas, Coca-Cola dropping them quietly
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Is this actually going to break the back of wokeness?
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So there have been kind of, if we might use the slang phrasing, red pill hurricanes.
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There have been two moments in the past several years where we really got to look behind the
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curtain. And one of those was when COVID-19 had swept the world.
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And all of a sudden, everything in the universe had to be shut down.
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There was even a protest at the Michigan Statehouse.
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And they were trying to protest for their rights.
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They were rioting, looting, burning cities, huge, huge protests, even for the 93% that were
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peaceful, huge gatherings, which were suddenly allowed in the name of racial justice.
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And people started to realize something must be going on.
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That was the first really big look behind the curtain.
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Parents seeing through the window of Zoom into their children's classrooms for the first
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This is the really big one where we're seeing leftist organization after leftist organization
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revealing one of their oldest maxims that the issue is never the issue.
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And so they have banded together in solidarity.
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Black Lives Matter has revealed itself to be the communist-styled liberation project that
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And a lot of people are shocked to find this out.
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People are discovering that our universities have, in fact, been domestic terror training
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cells under the auspices of woke inclusion for a large number of years.
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And I'm hearing cataclysmic, tectonic shifts in people's attitudes toward what woke is
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and was, what it represents, and what needs to be done about it.
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So this might be a very powerful, defining moment in the history of the trajectory of
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Well, and we really have to point it out, too, because this is something that has actually
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already, and of course, Charlie Kirk has talked about it a ton, this has affected the money.
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So there's a lot of donors to these alumni and others that go to these universities and
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have come out and said, whoa, wait a minute, that's what I've been funding this whole time?
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Which, of course, people like you and me are saying they're going, yeah, yeah, yes, it is
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But for, and we can go into the myriad reasons why they weren't open to seeing it.
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But the real salient point is they do see it now.
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And Chris Ruffo and I, by the way, were chatting about this yesterday, just sort of tweeting
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back and forth or, I don't know, X-ing back and forth, which probably sounds weird.
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That these people don't necessarily look at this as this long extrapolated history and
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the intertwined issues of the Palestinians and Israel, et cetera, et cetera.
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No, a lot of these theorists just look at this as sort of the white looking people versus
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And then they come up with all the justifications, rationalizations after the fact, once they've
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Clearly, this group must be oppressing this other group.
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They just sort of take their preset narrative and they graft it onto any situation that's going
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Turns out, James, it turns out that the very same thing that they've been preaching every
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single day here in the United States is also what they support overseas.
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A lot of the strategies that are used by the woke were developed in Palestine and vice versa.
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The philosophical roots of woke actually are very similar to the philosophical roots of the
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We're talking characters like Jean-Paul Sartre.
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We're talking even Nazi ideology getting imported.
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Simone de Beauvoir, believe it or not, was popular in the Arab world in the 50s and 60s.
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These same leftist influences that transformed the West into woke transformed the Arab world
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into this kind of rabid Islamic nationalism that we're seeing driven by entities like Hamas.
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And so when you see a state like Israel that now poses to bring in some strong ties to Western
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civilization, Western values into the region, it becomes this whole narrative of oppression
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and settler colonialism that has to be taken under advisement of radicals that have informed
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leftist thought in the universities for here in the West for decades.
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People like France Fannin, who coined the idea of decolonization, said in the first sentence
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of his book, The Wretched of the Earth, that it's always a violent phenomenon, no matter how
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And people like Edward Said, who've been writing, who was a Palestinian himself, who was writing
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about the concept of decolonization, taking up a lot of the French postmodernism in the
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neo-Marxist line in order to explain the concept of colonialism.
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And suddenly we're seeing that we've been incubating this for 50 years, 60 years in our
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It's erupting out around this particular conflict.
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And people are rightly shocked by what they're seeing.
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But it's about time for them to spend a little time reading some of these sources themselves
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and realizing that this is, in fact, what we've been funding and nourishing and nurturing
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and teaching to our children now, which explains these crazy graphs that 75 percent of young
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people, 18 to 24, think that what Hamas did was justified because of the settler colonialism
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that they've been led to believe in through a woke postcolonial lens.
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And that's exactly the point I'm getting at, where essentially it becomes this, oh, it's
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decolonization, it's postcolonial, et cetera, et cetera, which, and you're right that these
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But what's amazing is that it, you know, it, why is it, I'll put it this way, why did they
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never think that these youth groups that have been building up, that these movements
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that have been, that have been inculcated this, and I'm just going to say it, they're
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In many of these cases, again, this is collective punishment.
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This is the idea of, which is completely, you know, goes, and I see, I see there's a
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lot of people sometimes even on the right who say this, they say, oh, what's the Christian
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I said, well, the Christian thing would be individual morality.
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An individual morality means holding someone accountable for their own personal sins.
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Those are inherently Marxist forms of morality is why we call it cultural Marxism in many of
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these cases, because they're applying it in these ways.
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It used to be about class, it was about culture, et cetera.
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But why do you think that they never thought that it would be applied essentially to them?
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There's a couple of reasons, one of which is that the prevailing attitude has been, well,
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these are just young people and the young people, you know, they'll get out in the real
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world and the real world or start to straighten them out, which we've been slowly disabused
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about for the last 15 years and especially the last five years.
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The young people are coming out of these, especially elite institutions and remaking the
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world around them to suit their suit what they've been brainwashed into believing.
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But the other reason is exactly what we were talking about when we were doing our little
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sarcasm bit in the previous segment, which is simply enough that right winger is one or
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conservative is one of the categories that has been demonized so that vaguely center left
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and progressive minded people associate that with being bad, stupid and probably crazy for
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The Daily Show took our entire generation and convinced convinced it that there was something
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shameful about identifying conservative values whatsoever to have even one was shameful.
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And so here these kids are, maybe they're getting they're young, maybe they're getting
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But the fact is, you know, they're just saying kind of extreme young person versions of the
00:28:55.920
same attitudes that, you know, we don't want to be associated with right wing stuff.
00:28:59.200
And so the stuff that they were saying, which is exactly as you described, fit with a broader
00:29:04.060
narrative of at least they're not conservative, which is intrinsically bad.
00:29:07.260
And that's that is the first and thus last spell that has to be broken in order for us
00:29:12.060
to break free of this very scary moment that we've come to, that normal everyday people who've
00:29:17.960
been propagandized to believe that right winger is an enemy of the people by definition have
00:29:24.200
It's just a political disposition and set of views that there is well within the range of
00:29:30.280
normal and acceptable thought and discourse all across the board.
00:29:34.280
They've adopted Maoism without realizing they've adopted Maoism.
00:29:39.680
And we've described it so many times that what they've done is essentially profited off of
00:29:47.060
In many cases, they've created and not just profited, created an entire industry, an entire
00:29:51.700
field that didn't exist prior to really prior to, as you mentioned, the the Obama administration.
00:29:57.980
But this was like one guy in an office somewhere on like the back of campus, you know, in the
00:30:09.800
And by the way, I've even seen some of these accounts saying, oh, my gosh, I can't believe
00:30:15.180
But by the way, that doesn't mean that I'm going to stop supporting DEI.
00:30:19.020
So even people that are facing the brunt of it are just trying to correct it so that it
00:30:25.580
And it's like, no, no, you can't just redirect the alligator.
00:30:33.240
You have to get rid of the predator completely.
00:30:36.340
You're just going to be the one that eats last.
00:30:40.200
This is what is always going to happen when you go in with any of these situations.
00:30:47.880
But when we get back in, I want to talk about what this does mean on the world stage.
00:30:52.500
James Lindsay's being very generous with our time here at Human Events Daily.
00:30:58.540
They're about the boring people at your office.
00:31:01.120
I'm trying to listen to the new human events with Jack Posobiec.
00:31:04.760
All right, Jack Posobiec back here live at Human Events Daily.
00:31:15.160
Lindsay James, we're having this conversation about wokeness, how this could really lead to
00:31:25.020
I wouldn't say rightward turn, but I would say pulling back away from the abyss of the
00:31:30.180
left away from this, you know, the politics of envy, this insanity that we've been going
00:31:35.060
through for all these years, you know, Coca-Cola deleting BLM, right?
00:31:38.760
The idea that three years ago, that if you didn't remember the black square and everything
00:31:42.920
else, if you didn't comply, if you didn't march, if you didn't put up the fist, now suddenly
00:31:47.100
people are looking at the, people are even looking at the George Floyd case again.
00:31:51.040
People actually reading the autopsy that's been available the entire time.
00:31:54.140
People are saying, you know, there was no damage to the neck.
00:31:57.120
And in fact, they, they forced the medical examiner to change his testimony so that they
00:32:04.120
Again, all of these facts were out there, but, but something has broken to the point where
00:32:08.220
people are actually, you know, just sort of that emotional spell has, has broken and
00:32:13.080
people are finally looking at it for the first time.
00:32:14.820
But at the same time that that's happening, we are also facing another problem and that's
00:32:22.820
And a lot of these same forces, by the way, are also being inflamed to get people, and
00:32:28.380
I'm very concerned about this as I know you are, to, to essentially support calls for a
00:32:35.200
civilizational battle, a civilizational conflict, wage, these holy wars, getting involved in things
00:32:43.340
And it kind of feels like, kind of feels like it's 2003 again around here sometimes when
00:32:47.920
I see some of these people on TV saying, we must go to holy war, we must wage war on Iran
00:32:56.600
And I'm like, whoa, wait, hold on a second, guys.
00:33:00.920
And now Elon Musk did this huge Twitter space, X space yesterday, really just coming out and
00:33:10.620
We should find peace deals with, with Russia, with the Ukraine situation.
00:33:17.480
Look, we're all, we're all in this world together.
00:33:20.360
And it's not about supporting anyone or endorsing anything.
00:33:27.500
What should people be worried about when we're in moments like this?
00:33:32.940
Well, I mean, in a moment like this, always, you have to worry about, about propaganda and
00:33:37.700
getting sucked up into emotional pleas and arguments for things that, you know, would be very
00:33:43.140
cathartic or very satisfying, but we also have to be able to take a step back.
00:33:46.900
We have to realize that anywhere there's a war, anytime there's a war, anytime there's
00:33:51.140
turned into an active measure for various purposes on social media in particular, that
00:33:56.020
there is a huge amount of propaganda that we have to always step back.
00:34:00.480
Anytime you feel yourself getting emotionally motivated, you've got to take a break.
00:34:04.460
You've got to think through what are the broader consequences because the game is to
00:34:08.000
get people, the game of propaganda is to get people emotionally involved so they support
00:34:14.420
It's literally the purpose of propaganda if it's not to make you want to quit.
00:34:18.900
And so you've, you've really got to take some, some space there because, you know, the space
00:34:22.920
you mentioned with Elon was called sleepwalking toward World War III, if I'm, if I'm not mistaken.
00:34:27.480
And we're not sleepwalking toward World War III any more than Jeffrey Epstein sleepwalked
00:34:36.640
We are, somebody with a gun to our back is walking us toward there and saying, look, everybody,
00:34:42.680
We're being pushed toward this by forces that would benefit from the war, not just financial
00:34:47.880
We know now looking back, speaking of conspiracy theories, that World Wars I and II were both
00:34:52.900
very profitable for certain entities that funded aspects of both sides of them.
00:34:58.480
This isn't going to be different in this situation.
00:35:00.520
So I agree with Elon and I think he did us a real solid, but we, we shouldn't mischaracterize.
00:35:06.320
There are forces that want to drive us toward these wars that do not benefit the citizens
00:35:12.260
They benefit, uh, certain large political and corporate players that are working in tandem
00:35:22.640
We've got to be hesitant and we've got to be as discerning and judicious as we can with
00:35:34.320
I get that these images that we're seeing come out, it's, it's a terrorist attack.
00:35:39.500
It was an actual terrorist attack that took place.
00:35:43.780
Um, zero sum 24, by the way, if people want to go follow that, you know, Twitter account
00:35:48.220
and telegram account, you, you can, um, it's private.
00:35:58.080
And Oh, by the way, the bombings in Gaza are real too.
00:36:03.760
Now I don't necessarily think that the, the Israelis are targeting, you know, civilians,
00:36:11.940
And it's ridiculous for people to attack you or attack anybody who calls this out simply
00:36:23.600
That's members of his family that are never going to be coming back.
00:36:25.740
Uh, there was a Christian church that was damaged in one of these bombings.
00:36:28.780
It's okay to talk about these situations because they are real.
00:36:32.840
The real question is, and then again, and I had Scott Horton on here last week, and we're
00:36:36.880
talking about this because James, these images and these types of tactics, unfortunately have
00:36:44.980
the, have the tendency to create something called blowback, don't they?
00:36:52.680
And what we have to understand is for, we can use a term like masters of the universe that
00:36:56.880
are pulling all the strings for the globalists or whatever, is that they understand kind of
00:37:00.780
the, what you might call the magic of polarity or the pendulum swing, the concept of blowback.
00:37:05.760
They understand it's written in their, their own books, whether you're talking about Saul
00:37:08.940
Alinsky, whether we're talking about beautiful trouble today at beautiful trouble.org, you
00:37:13.500
can read the, the enemy's real action is treated as their targets reaction.
00:37:19.080
And so the goal is to, maybe it's the goal of the terrorist attack in the first place was
00:37:24.600
to provoke a reaction that then they can portray to the world in order to try to justify the
00:37:30.320
This is, uh, uh, not just manufacturing consent, as you often hear describing propaganda, but
00:37:36.440
it's actually manufacturing the propaganda environment.
00:37:45.120
In fact, and that's why when I say that there are forces driving this, that want this, like
00:37:48.680
the neocons who are in, in, in large part, old Hegelian masters of the universe types up
00:37:54.740
against the communists who are young Hegelian, uh, destroyers of the universe types.
00:37:58.660
You've got to realize that there is a bigger, broader play with a strategic element to it
00:38:03.500
that is designed to create reactions and then to make solutions out of the reactions.
00:38:08.340
And so the, not just sober, but strategic response to that is that you figure out how
00:38:15.080
they're trying to write the script and don't play the part they've written for you.
00:38:18.200
And if you do that, it foils their plans and it falls on its face and you can actually
00:38:21.900
take action outside of the scripted dynamic that they're trying to manufacture on, whether
00:38:34.180
These people aren't interested in seeking peace.
00:38:36.100
They're not interested in speaking, seeking stability.
00:38:41.600
They don't want, no, because we know that they're actually in search of this desired end
00:38:46.660
state of whether it be, whether it be a war or whether it be total, uh, you know, globalist
00:38:51.420
American dominance over various competing spheres of interest around the world, et cetera, et
00:38:59.920
Anytime you talk to one of these people, they'll say, oh, well, we're degrading the
00:39:03.400
Russian military in Ukraine and, and for, for pennies on the dollar.
00:39:07.180
And you say, well, what about all those graves in, in Kiev that are being built right now?
00:39:12.760
What about all those, those blue and gold flags and the moms that don't, they're not going
00:39:16.280
to see their sons coming home because they died off in some trench somewhere in a place
00:39:20.120
that no, by the way, no American has ever even heard of, but that's pennies on the, like,
00:39:24.580
what kind of, what kind of topic, like what kind of, I'm sorry, but what kind of morality
00:39:33.440
No, it's, uh, the, the morality, when he said Hegelian, Hegel was famous for having said
00:39:40.700
His philosophy is one of the historical prag protagonist who, who launches into conquest of
00:39:46.180
destiny that, you know, lots of people die in the process, but history lurches a little
00:39:50.340
bit toward, you know, it's, it's desired endpoint.
00:39:53.980
The, the, the arc of history bends toward justice is another phrasing of that, which is
00:39:59.080
But the fact is that, uh, the idea is that they think that they're bending history to a
00:40:03.600
desired endpoint and they do so through these mass casualty events through conflict in particular
00:40:09.700
so that history can lurch along behind historical protagonist who, who's causing it to go where it needs
00:40:16.500
It turns out that everybody involved, the cannon fodder is just a sacrifice to the progress of
00:40:21.040
the march of history and, you know, bless them for it.
00:40:23.800
If they're on the right side and curse them forever, if they're enemies of the people who
00:40:26.760
are on the wrong side of history, that's the mentality that we're actually up against.
00:40:30.580
It has nothing to do with liberty, has everything to do with creating circumstances to generate
00:40:35.220
conflict, to move situations toward the desired endpoint.
00:40:39.260
Problem, reaction, solution is the usual cute phrasing of it, but it's very important to
00:40:43.740
realize that this plays out on every stage, on every level, like the ones we're just now
00:40:49.940
Yeah, it really is amazing because once you see, once you see that pattern that you just
00:40:54.680
outlined right there, you can, you can turn on the news and it's like that scene in the
00:40:58.140
matrix, man, where he's like, he's like, I don't even see the code anymore.
00:41:01.200
All I see blonde brunette, red, you just see it play out over and over and over.
00:41:05.720
Uh, Dr. James Lindsay, can we hold you for one more segment?
00:41:23.380
We're happy that he's generous here with his time.
00:41:27.380
When I'm working long hours, I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
00:41:32.840
All right, Jack Posobiec back here, live Human Events Daily.
00:41:35.660
We are now looking at the questions of, we understand the situation.
00:41:42.320
We've got a radicalized youth movement here at home.
00:41:46.620
They're radicalized to target whoever they are told the oppressors are, which by the way,
00:41:51.000
in this situation is probably everyone listening to this show.
00:41:59.400
Then on the world stage, you see people using these same tactics to foment war, to foment conflict,
00:42:10.520
She will declare war on anyone in the world if she thinks it will give her more power.
00:42:16.020
She wants a department of offense to come back so that she can pick and choose different
00:42:20.840
parts of the world that she wants to declare war on.
00:42:28.660
Who cares about the Americans that will die in these situations?
00:42:47.140
That is an honest to God, real person going to jail for political speech here in the United
00:42:53.280
And people say, oh, well, you know, he protested at a congressional hearing and then walked around
00:43:01.560
It's ridiculous what they're doing to Owen and, you know, defendowen.com.
00:43:05.860
And of course, people go there and we've got it trending nationwide.
00:43:09.800
You predicted that all this would come to pass.
00:43:12.280
And even when taking the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune from so many people coming
00:43:22.100
How do we get out of this situation and back to something that's more stable for Americans,
00:43:26.940
for kids trying to grow up and people just wanting to go back to their lives?
00:43:31.780
Yeah, well, there are two primary situations that we're kind of dealing with and they have
00:43:35.440
different to some degree, different solution sets for what to do.
00:43:39.260
The one is the propaganda environment, the bigger global stage, the stuff that's happening
00:43:44.640
And what do you do with that is the propaganda falls apart when you can call it out, identify
00:43:50.520
what its targets are and identify that it's propaganda.
00:43:53.980
When you can name the dynamic in play, name that it's propaganda, explain how it works and
00:43:59.660
What that does is it craters the trust necessary for people to take action on the propaganda.
00:44:10.160
And they don't act on the propaganda because the point of the propaganda is to get people
00:44:16.820
The goal is to use political means to get people to do things with hostile intent, not
00:44:24.560
So what we have to do is learn to spot and call out propaganda as clearly and as widely
00:44:30.080
and as frequently as possible, whether that's through our own platform, such as shows like
00:44:34.020
this, such as our social media accounts, or whether it's in one-on-one conversations.
00:44:37.680
And that segues into what do you do with this radicalized youth movement and the kind of broader
00:44:41.580
radicalized culture that we have that will turn on and attack people is that those people
00:44:46.540
have to see where they've been duped or lied to.
00:44:50.560
The worldview that they are, if I might be so bold, is hermetically sealed.
00:44:54.740
And there has to be a crack that opens up or something doesn't make sense.
00:44:59.060
They're all attacking Jews all of a sudden, or it's going against something I believe in,
00:45:03.420
or it's hurt somebody like me or that I care about.
00:45:06.100
You've got to find one of these cracks, one of the contradictions, as you might say, to
00:45:11.960
And then what you need to be is you need to be somebody they know that they can trust,
00:45:16.360
In other words, you're a landing pad who can then kind of help them understand.
00:45:20.520
As a lot of people know, it's a shameful article of my past.
00:45:23.740
I had the Trump derangement syndrome, and somebody showed me that the very fine people thing was,
00:45:29.380
I learned that I was lied to, and then all of a sudden, it was a crack.
00:45:33.080
I was able now to step out of the psyops of Trump derangement and was able to start
00:45:39.660
And I wanted to know what else I'd been lied to.
00:45:41.460
And luckily, the people who helped me see that had some more evidence for me and finally
00:45:46.280
encouraged me to go do my own study into Trump's speeches and so on.
00:45:52.340
The family members, the friends that you know in your life, you need to help them find where
00:45:57.560
this doesn't work, where it doesn't line up, where there's lies and distortions driving
00:46:03.160
And then make sure that they understand you're a safe landing pad they can come to to try to
00:46:10.000
That's part of the reason they've been so diligent at tearing apart families and friends
00:46:14.480
so that those relationships are damaged or not there anymore for when people start to
00:46:19.000
have doubts about the broader worldview, the people around them are no longer available
00:46:24.540
So you want to foster that and be that for those people.
00:46:28.440
You know, I call it long TDS, and we're trying to find the solutions, the cures.
00:46:36.340
Uh, but we do need to find ways to be able to do that.
00:46:40.160
And, you know, for a lot of people, they'll say, oh, well, just comply, just comply, just
00:46:45.680
It's, you know, go through the struggle session, go through it.
00:46:55.540
There's no coming back from a struggle session.
00:46:57.340
Once you comply, once you confess to imaginary crimes, you lose standing in every regard.
00:47:01.940
The people who are counting on you or who are in your corner, who are hoping you wouldn't
00:47:08.040
The people who are interrogating you in the first place, uh, see you as somebody they
00:47:13.360
And the people who are in this kind of third party watching audience, uh, become convinced
00:47:17.960
that you must have actually been guilty or you wouldn't have given in and confessed to
00:47:21.140
it and so that the terms of the crime must also have been legitimate and they become
00:47:24.900
convinced into the contrived world of the tyrant.
00:47:30.920
You have to stand strong with people who are being put through it.
00:47:36.080
And I stand behind her as a person, even under terrible circumstances.
00:47:39.680
And we've got to rebuild that unity because the goal of the struggle session compliance is
00:47:44.720
to get you to comply, to confess to a made up crime on contrived terms.
00:47:48.200
And once you do it, like I said, all that happens is you lose in every direction and
00:47:54.840
It doesn't get better with any of the groups of people that you might try to count on people
00:48:01.500
Again, the people watching see the contrived terms is real.
00:48:04.480
And the people who manipulated in the first place know they can break you again and break
00:48:08.080
you again and break you again until you are completely in their hands.
00:48:17.720
Be that solid point in the storm and tumultuous times.
00:48:23.300
Dr. James Lindsay, where can people go to follow you and to get more of your ramblings
00:48:31.220
Let me just add real quick and then I'll say that.
00:48:33.180
I know we're on a time, but you've got to stand with each other.
00:48:36.900
You have to stand with each other or none of it works.
00:48:40.940
You have to get people's back and help them when they're going through a struggle session.
00:48:46.640
It's help your friends who they're going after as well.
00:48:50.400
Now, you can find me at newdiscourses.com and at ConceptualJames on social media.
00:48:58.940
You've been one of those rocks, one of those stable points in tumultuous times.
00:49:07.820
And folks, do not submit to the struggle sessions.