Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - November 08, 2023


EPISODE 600： THE GEN Z ABORTION ARMY


Episode Stats

Length

49 minutes

Words per Minute

165.78625

Word Count

8,139

Sentence Count

463

Misogynist Sentences

49

Hate Speech Sentences

39


Summary

Pro-choice advocates are using young women to carry the torch for the pro-abortion movement in America, but why are they so susceptible to man-hating ideations that they are willing to sacrifice their own children for them?


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
00:00:40.440 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:47.160 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:50.080 Deliver us from evil.
00:00:51.620 Despite Biden's unpopularity, despite the concerns about the economy,
00:00:55.740 you saw Democrats beat Republicans in solidly Republican states.
00:01:00.140 Kentucky, Ohio, and in key battleground states.
00:01:03.440 There was a key race in Pennsylvania.
00:01:04.980 So this is abortion in these races was overwhelming the issue.
00:01:09.840 The arrest of Soheib Abuayyash.
00:01:12.880 He is a 20-year-old Jordanian-Palestinian who was there in Texas.
00:01:16.380 He had been in the country illegally.
00:01:18.240 He was illegally in possession of a firearm.
00:01:20.360 He has allegedly been in direct contact with others who share a radical mindset.
00:01:24.780 The charges against him further relish he's been conducting physical training and has trained
00:01:29.100 with weapons to possibly commit an attack.
00:01:31.740 The prime minister has also said definitively,
00:01:34.940 no ceasefire unless there is a return of all hostages.
00:01:40.260 Is that a reasonable position that he's taken?
00:01:42.520 You'll have to talk to the prime minister.
00:01:44.340 Again, we're not going to characterize or armchair quarterback everything he's saying.
00:01:47.900 And we still believe that a general ceasefire is not appropriate at this time.
00:01:51.880 What is true here is that every single one of them
00:01:56.000 has not acknowledged the fact that Palestinians are dying in the tens of thousands.
00:02:01.840 My colleagues are blatantly attempting to silence
00:02:04.500 the only Palestinian-American representative right here.
00:02:07.920 And let me tell you, it's not surprising because this place
00:02:10.540 is where 1,700 members of Congress, this elected body, enslaved black people.
00:02:15.660 Ivanka Trump is testifying in the sprawling New York fraud case
00:02:19.740 against her father's business empire.
00:02:21.720 And unlike her father and brothers, she is not a defendant in this case.
00:02:26.260 A huge explosion at a chemical plant.
00:02:28.980 People who live within five miles of that explosion in Shepard,
00:02:32.980 a city north of Houston, are being told to shelter in place.
00:02:37.020 But in Ohio, we have the legalization of recreational marijuana,
00:02:40.220 the 24th state to do that.
00:02:41.800 Yes, on issue one, we'll pass, putting the right to abortion
00:02:44.960 in the state constitution in Ohio.
00:02:50.500 Hi, everyone.
00:02:51.500 This is Evita Duffy filling in for Jack Posobiec.
00:02:54.960 Yesterday, Ohio voted on issue one.
00:02:58.240 Did not go well for the pro-life movement.
00:03:00.400 What's really interesting is that exit polls found or indicated,
00:03:06.240 are indicating that 71% of unmarried women voted to enshrine abortion
00:03:12.660 in the Ohio state constitution.
00:03:14.960 They were followed by 64% of unmarried men,
00:03:18.880 but there's almost a 10% gap between these two groups.
00:03:23.620 Young women are carrying the torch for the bloody abortion movement in America.
00:03:31.480 It's a really interesting thing to think about.
00:03:33.900 Why is that?
00:03:35.480 Young women are the type of people who will post,
00:03:38.780 insert oppressed group on their Instagram.
00:03:41.440 They post black squares when the BLM riots were coming about.
00:03:45.580 They have choose peace, not love on their bumper stickers.
00:03:48.640 These are people that want to be compassionate and good to others,
00:03:53.660 and yet they are the most strident supporters
00:03:56.820 of really the greatest stain on America,
00:04:00.660 which is abortion, which is the killing of innocent children.
00:04:05.460 The hatred that is coming from the pro-abortion movement
00:04:08.400 and specifically from young women is rooted in feminism.
00:04:13.180 Feminism is a really hateful ideology.
00:04:16.880 Just last week, a young woman, former Disney star,
00:04:22.340 her name is Sabrina Carpenter,
00:04:23.680 she posted a music video for her new song, Feather,
00:04:28.000 where it literally showcases the killing of men,
00:04:31.680 because all men are pigs.
00:04:33.260 They're sexist pigs, right, who want to oppress women,
00:04:37.280 and so they deserve to die,
00:04:38.700 is essentially the message of this disturbing video.
00:04:41.060 You should go on YouTube and watch it.
00:04:42.200 But why are women, the poster children, young women,
00:04:47.260 for these bloody, violent ideological ideations in our country,
00:04:54.620 whether that be abortion, whether that be man-hating,
00:04:58.080 why are they susceptible to this?
00:04:59.660 And what are Republicans doing to reach out to them?
00:05:02.040 A lot of this is promulgating off of TikTok and Instagram,
00:05:05.100 where Democrats have a complete monopoly
00:05:07.440 over young people in general, but specifically young women
00:05:10.500 who spend exorbitant amount of time on social media.
00:05:14.280 Some polls indicate that it's women 18 to 25,
00:05:17.860 over eight hours a day, they're on their phone scrolling.
00:05:21.420 What are Republicans doing to reach out to them,
00:05:23.600 not only in an electoral way, which is important,
00:05:26.660 but also on a spiritual and emotional level?
00:05:29.440 Because Democrats, like I said, have a monopoly on them,
00:05:32.380 and it's not good for them.
00:05:33.940 Women aren't happy.
00:05:34.620 This demographic of women, unmarried, young, single women,
00:05:40.380 is not only one of the least happy demographics in America,
00:05:43.960 also one of the most mentally ill demographics.
00:05:47.340 There's a problem facing all young people,
00:05:49.260 but especially young women, and it's rooted in feminism.
00:05:52.980 And how do we oppose it is the question,
00:05:55.440 the questions that we're going to be answering today on the show.
00:05:58.620 I'm going to be talking with Pichy Keenan, with Katie Faust,
00:06:01.620 about everything that's happening in America,
00:06:03.820 and how we are going to combat it as a culture.
00:06:07.800 Things are going to get really difficult for us in the future
00:06:11.180 if we aren't able to address young women in America.
00:06:14.720 These are the future of our countries, our future mothers,
00:06:17.120 future daughters, future grandmothers.
00:06:19.080 It's important.
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00:06:41.160 Joining me now is Federalist senior contributor Pichy Keenan,
00:06:59.980 who is also the author of Domestic Extremists,
00:07:03.040 A Practical Guide to Winning the Culture War,
00:07:05.100 which is why she is going to be a perfect guest
00:07:08.120 to talk about what is happening to young women in America.
00:07:11.600 What can we do to reach out to them on the right,
00:07:14.780 on an electoral level, but also on a spiritual and emotional level?
00:07:18.140 Pichy, so great to have you here.
00:07:20.860 I'm just going to kick that question off to you.
00:07:22.900 You saw the exit polls.
00:07:24.500 You saw how this giant block of unmarried women,
00:07:29.340 most of them probably young,
00:07:30.960 voted to enshrine abortion in the Ohio State Constitution.
00:07:35.300 What are we going to do as conservatives to address this problem?
00:07:38.580 What can we do?
00:07:40.040 Yeah, it's really amazing.
00:07:41.520 I was actually just doing research a few days ago
00:07:44.580 about the difference between married and unmarried women.
00:07:47.380 Look at your poll.
00:07:48.800 Seventy percent in 2020 of unmarried women voted for Democrats,
00:07:53.840 of single women.
00:07:55.500 So, I mean, basically feminism is working as designed.
00:07:59.600 We are now reaping the fruits of 50 years of this progressive project,
00:08:05.600 and it's really working almost too well
00:08:07.680 because we're actually running out of people.
00:08:10.120 We're not making enough babies.
00:08:11.320 I mean, they're going to kind of go extinct over time.
00:08:13.980 But right now, this is just a huge victory lap for them.
00:08:17.160 So, feminists take a bow.
00:08:18.780 Yeah, absolutely.
00:08:21.840 So, I've talked about this before.
00:08:23.600 I think I mentioned on the last show, last Friday,
00:08:26.540 there's a lot of debate about where should Republicans be
00:08:30.620 when we're talking about reaching out to young people.
00:08:33.240 And there's been a big shunning of TikTok
00:08:35.120 because TikTok has the CCP influence, right?
00:08:38.920 And there's a fear of that.
00:08:41.020 But also, the Democrats have a monopoly on TikTok.
00:08:43.440 They have a monopoly on these social media platforms
00:08:46.460 where young people are consuming all of their news.
00:08:50.620 I mean, I said in the intro that it's eight hours or more a day
00:08:55.280 that they're spending online.
00:08:56.360 They're not being influenced by their family
00:08:58.200 or their church community.
00:08:59.620 It's all coming from their phones.
00:09:01.400 Should Republicans be on TikTok?
00:09:04.180 Is there a way that we can be on social media
00:09:06.940 and have the same kind of messaging that the left does?
00:09:10.040 Well, it's so funny because there's such a disconnect
00:09:14.740 between young women and young men on the internet.
00:09:17.820 Young men seem to be becoming more red-pilled.
00:09:21.360 They become more conservative the more they're on social media
00:09:24.480 because there's so many, you know, right-wing influencers,
00:09:28.140 young men tweeting, and I guess on TikTok and social media
00:09:32.140 that kind of offers young men an alternative
00:09:34.680 to the kind of feminized culture that they're being offered
00:09:38.720 at school and college classrooms, you know,
00:09:41.300 they already feel sort of ostracized.
00:09:43.400 And so they can go online and they can find other young men
00:09:45.840 who are just like them, who are like,
00:09:47.180 no, it's okay to be a guy.
00:09:49.020 It's okay to be a straight man in America.
00:09:51.960 Like, you're not alone.
00:09:53.680 But for women, it seems to be the exact opposite.
00:09:55.760 The more time you spend on social media,
00:09:57.880 the more left-wing you become.
00:10:00.080 And the images and the influencers are just so appealing,
00:10:04.320 and young women just are different.
00:10:05.880 You know, I was a young woman, and I was extremely influenced
00:10:09.200 by the culture, by MTV, by Madonna, by all, you know, the 1980s,
00:10:13.740 all the young women who looked pretty and looked cute
00:10:17.420 and they were popular.
00:10:18.380 And that is really what's driving a young woman.
00:10:20.440 I mean, the pressure to be, to fit in is so strong among women
00:10:24.900 to, you know, be part of the sisterhood,
00:10:27.300 be part of your sorority, to not be ostracized.
00:10:30.480 For young men, they are not quite as sensitive to that.
00:10:34.280 So I think that's where it starts, that young women just,
00:10:37.880 you know, the worst thing you can be,
00:10:39.380 if you're a young woman in your 20s,
00:10:40.900 is to be like a social pariah, is to be an outcast.
00:10:44.160 I mean, that's just social death.
00:10:46.100 And that is what I think women are trying to avoid.
00:10:48.580 So, you know, do all of them agree with everything
00:10:50.840 the feminists are offering?
00:10:52.100 I don't know.
00:10:53.280 But they can't ever show that they disagree
00:10:56.360 because then they're out.
00:10:57.680 And they don't go to the parties where there might be cute guys
00:11:00.480 and they won't look cool on the videos.
00:11:02.560 So there's just so much social pressure.
00:11:04.740 Now, should Republicans go on TikTok?
00:11:07.500 Like, just that combination is so cringe to me.
00:11:11.040 And that's the problem, really, is the Republican Party,
00:11:14.660 when you just say the brand, it's so unappealing.
00:11:18.000 And I think it's unappealing to everyone.
00:11:21.800 You know, it just sounds like someplace you don't want to go.
00:11:25.140 There's nothing cool happening in the Republican Party
00:11:27.920 that any, you know, 23-year-old woman would be attracted to.
00:11:32.300 And so I don't really know how.
00:11:33.500 That's sort of an intractable problem.
00:11:35.080 Like, I don't know how much TikTok they could even do.
00:11:38.280 I think the more they were on TikTok,
00:11:40.300 the fewer women would like them.
00:11:44.140 Yeah, so it's so interesting.
00:11:45.860 I wasn't in college too long ago.
00:11:47.820 I graduated in 2022.
00:11:49.360 And a lot of this is stemming from
00:11:51.840 sex without consequences culture, right?
00:11:54.220 So they think that in order to have freedom
00:11:57.040 and reproductive freedom specifically,
00:12:00.680 abortion is essential.
00:12:02.200 And they have tied everything about themselves
00:12:05.880 really to this issue
00:12:07.320 because they want the freedom to really sleep around
00:12:09.800 because feminism has told them that
00:12:11.260 sex has the same impact on men and women.
00:12:15.800 And of course, we know that that's not true.
00:12:17.840 Can you speak a little bit to that, Peachy?
00:12:20.420 Yeah, exactly.
00:12:21.520 Feminism has promised them liberation.
00:12:23.740 Liberation from all the guardrails that were in place
00:12:26.740 to keep women under control,
00:12:30.320 i.e. acting like women.
00:12:32.320 But now they want women to act like men,
00:12:34.100 which means basically full promiscuity,
00:12:36.340 however many partners you want,
00:12:38.020 no consequences, it's fine.
00:12:40.080 You can just have sex exactly like a man.
00:12:42.700 But again, women are totally different than men.
00:12:45.160 There is an emotional component.
00:12:46.460 And there's heartbreak and all these other consequences
00:12:49.240 that women deal with that just men don't
00:12:51.580 just because we are biologically and emotionally different.
00:12:56.080 So when women are sold this myth
00:12:58.660 that you can just have sex with whoever
00:13:01.780 and there's no consequences,
00:13:03.460 you are cutting yourself off from your internal,
00:13:07.340 your natural state,
00:13:08.720 which requires women biologically
00:13:11.280 to be more prudent on who they are intimate with.
00:13:15.680 There are biological consequences.
00:13:17.600 You have to be more careful just as a woman
00:13:19.600 in the millennia of humanity.
00:13:22.660 And reproductive technology,
00:13:24.280 the birth control pill,
00:13:25.140 and abortion has wiped that all away.
00:13:27.340 And the repercussions are stark.
00:13:29.800 And there's been now all these studies
00:13:31.620 that have come out, you know,
00:13:33.000 30, 40 years later about the birth control pill,
00:13:35.780 how it decreases women's libido.
00:13:37.600 It makes them depressed.
00:13:38.620 It makes them anxious.
00:13:40.180 It even, I read somewhere that it turns women asexual
00:13:42.900 and turns them into lesbians.
00:13:45.100 I mean, it's wreaking havoc in young women,
00:13:47.260 but it's sold as promiscuity.
00:13:49.080 But the reason women can't stop being promiscuous,
00:13:52.800 they couldn't suddenly put on their Tinder profile,
00:13:55.160 you know, I'm chaste or I'm saving myself.
00:13:57.560 I don't want to just have a hookup.
00:13:59.200 I want like real love, true love.
00:14:01.120 Because then you, again, the social pressure,
00:14:03.440 you lose access to this whole host of men
00:14:05.960 who just want to, you know, hook up with you.
00:14:10.020 They aren't looking for a wife.
00:14:11.800 And so a woman who chooses to beat more chaste
00:14:14.240 to maybe save herself from marriage
00:14:16.020 or at least limit her partners to some low number
00:14:18.860 is going to lose out on all this social fun,
00:14:22.760 all these, she can't tell her friends at brunch
00:14:25.960 about the cute guy she hooked up with.
00:14:27.620 You're taking yourself out of that world.
00:14:30.380 And it's such an incredible culture shift
00:14:33.300 and changing of your mindset that these women,
00:14:36.660 you can't do it really on your own.
00:14:38.420 I mean, you really need to kind of be,
00:14:40.540 to either like hit rock bottom and realize,
00:14:43.620 oh no, I have to do something with my life.
00:14:45.480 I've had my heart broken, you know, so many times
00:14:47.600 and I'm lonely and I want children.
00:14:49.820 What do I do here?
00:14:50.900 And kind of have that awakening.
00:14:52.140 Or you have to meet the right guy
00:14:54.040 and just fall madly in love and he loves you
00:14:55.980 and you're taken out of that like horrible
00:14:57.700 merry-go-round of dating.
00:14:59.640 And otherwise, you're just going to keep going.
00:15:01.980 I wrote about in my book,
00:15:03.140 the fact that on, you know,
00:15:04.280 Tinder just had its 10 year anniversary last year.
00:15:06.560 And there are women who downloaded Tinder day one
00:15:09.220 and 10 years later are still on Tinder.
00:15:12.160 And I mean, that is not a success story.
00:15:13.920 It's so sad.
00:15:16.840 Everything that you've just described is so sad.
00:15:19.560 The future in the world that they say is ideal for women
00:15:22.200 is so detrimental to them, just mental health-wise.
00:15:27.080 If you have a bunch of different sexual partners, right?
00:15:29.860 That's a very sad thing.
00:15:31.340 It has an emotional impact on women
00:15:33.340 who sex means different things to women than it does men.
00:15:36.500 And so it's very impactful.
00:15:38.520 But then it's also waiting for marriage and children
00:15:40.920 until you've already established your career.
00:15:43.200 Well, if you're waiting for so long, right?
00:15:46.180 Sometimes women reach the point where they never get married
00:15:48.620 or they get married, but they have to freeze their eggs.
00:15:51.020 And then they're mothers, but they're older mothers.
00:15:53.180 And that becomes really difficult too with its own problems.
00:15:55.740 There's a lot of sadness, I think,
00:15:58.100 in what the left is presenting young women.
00:16:01.320 And yet they'll fight for it tooth and nail.
00:16:05.000 They're going to the polls.
00:16:06.420 They're voting with the Democrats.
00:16:08.420 And yet the Democrats are offering really only misery
00:16:11.820 for so many women.
00:16:15.060 Peachy, do you have any advice for young women
00:16:18.100 who are being inculcated with this?
00:16:20.760 Eight hours a day, they're heading off into colleges
00:16:23.120 where the sex with no consequences lie starts.
00:16:26.140 What do you have to say to these young women
00:16:27.700 before they head off into that culture?
00:16:29.700 I mean, you hope that some of them will have maybe
00:16:35.040 a bad experience that will wake them up.
00:16:37.760 They get hurt so badly or they haven't intended pregnancy
00:16:41.600 or they feel so lonely.
00:16:43.740 They don't know how to meet someone.
00:16:44.940 They're sick of it.
00:16:45.840 That is really what it takes to kind of wake someone up.
00:16:48.560 Otherwise, they're just going to go through college.
00:16:50.760 And when they come out the other end,
00:16:52.300 they're going to be sort of a fully baked feminist
00:16:54.420 and ready to engage in 10, 20 more years of craziness.
00:17:01.080 It is so sad.
00:17:01.960 You mentioned egg freezing.
00:17:03.320 There's a woman named Bridget.
00:17:05.000 I believe her name is Adams.
00:17:06.620 She was on the cover of Business Week
00:17:08.160 about 10 years ago as this hero.
00:17:11.820 She froze her eggs.
00:17:12.840 And the headline was freeze your eggs, free your career.
00:17:16.860 And so she froze her eggs at age 38 or something
00:17:19.840 because she was single.
00:17:20.780 At age 45, she defrosted her eggs.
00:17:24.920 Half of them were abnormal.
00:17:26.800 She only was able to implant one embryo and that one failed.
00:17:31.280 And when she got the news that she would never be
00:17:33.500 a biological mother, she had a nervous breakdown.
00:17:36.600 You know, she started screaming.
00:17:38.320 And it's just so sad.
00:17:39.780 And then she ended up having a baby in her late 40s
00:17:41.940 with a donor egg and donor sperm.
00:17:44.520 So the whole myth, just expose the whole myth
00:17:46.960 of that reproductive technology can save you, can free you.
00:17:50.440 No, it can't.
00:17:51.560 It will ruin your life.
00:17:53.140 But the consequences stories don't get out there.
00:17:55.760 You only see the victorious stories, the heroic stories
00:17:58.300 when they pitch egg freezing as this great thing.
00:18:00.740 You don't see the repercussions.
00:18:02.340 And I think maybe we can do a better job
00:18:03.860 of showing the horror stories of feminism.
00:18:06.280 Just like detransitioner stories
00:18:07.920 really expose the mythology behind transgender ideology.
00:18:12.080 Maybe we can show the consequences of feminism.
00:18:16.340 It's a really, a bloody, a very sad movement
00:18:22.040 that the left is presenting to women.
00:18:25.340 Even just the reality of what abortion is, right?
00:18:28.120 I mean, there are so many women who don't even know.
00:18:30.220 So I think this has been a wonderful conversation.
00:18:32.720 Peachy, where can people go to follow you?
00:18:34.400 You can follow me on Twitter at Keenan Peachy
00:18:38.000 and my sub-stack, peachykeenan.substack.com.
00:18:41.380 Today, you know, they talk about influences.
00:18:43.800 These are influences.
00:18:45.660 And they're friends of mine.
00:18:48.060 Jack, you're so like, where's Jack?
00:18:50.520 Jack, he's done a great job.
00:18:53.400 Thank you, Jack.
00:18:54.380 Everyone, this is Avita Duffy.
00:18:56.640 We're going to talk a little bit about an ad
00:18:59.080 that just ran in Virginia.
00:19:00.200 We're going to talk about what's happening more with women,
00:19:04.220 how they voted this last night,
00:19:06.940 but then also how they voted in the midterms,
00:19:08.800 how much abortion has been impacting
00:19:10.980 all of these elections in the wake of Roe.
00:19:13.420 Let's bring in Katie Faust.
00:19:15.500 She is going to be a wonderful guest.
00:19:18.160 I'm so happy to have you here, Katie.
00:19:19.460 She's the founder of Them Before Us,
00:19:21.660 and she is the author of Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City.
00:19:27.880 Katie, thank you so much for being here.
00:19:30.200 Really good to join you.
00:19:31.660 There's so much happening in the world.
00:19:33.360 And I'll tell you what,
00:19:34.720 there's never been a bigger need for courage and clarity.
00:19:38.140 So I appreciate being able to chat with you
00:19:40.600 about all the happenings.
00:19:42.580 Yeah.
00:19:43.180 So let's talk a little bit about
00:19:44.760 what has happened with young women last night,
00:19:48.720 how they voted,
00:19:49.900 how the abortion issue has impacted
00:19:51.800 all of the elections that happened last night.
00:19:54.660 And then also, if you want to talk about the midterms as well,
00:19:57.300 take it away.
00:19:58.280 Well, you know,
00:20:01.460 I'm not any kind of wise political commentator,
00:20:04.220 but I am very familiar with what is going on in the human realm,
00:20:08.560 both from my advocacy with children's rights
00:20:12.660 in relation to marriage and family work,
00:20:14.640 as a mom who's raising four kids,
00:20:17.200 four teenagers in this insane world,
00:20:19.280 especially this hyper-leftist city of Seattle,
00:20:22.240 but also as a woman who is married to a pastor
00:20:24.940 who does a lot of life-on-life shepherding.
00:20:27.240 There's a lot going on in the world today right now
00:20:29.540 as it relates to all the questions of
00:20:31.380 what does it mean to be human?
00:20:32.940 And I think that we really saw that on display yesterday
00:20:35.900 when it came to issue one in Ohio.
00:20:39.620 And the absolute horrifying and bizarre spectacle
00:20:45.180 of watching young women cheering,
00:20:48.820 crying over their ability to murder their own unborn babies.
00:20:54.900 And so really, it's an opportunity for us to say,
00:20:57.680 what is going on in our culture right now?
00:21:00.600 What is going on with our perspective
00:21:02.600 of what it means to be human?
00:21:04.920 And how we're addressing all of those different issues
00:21:07.460 and then how we're communicating those truths
00:21:09.760 to the next generation.
00:21:11.400 It's very, very clear that there is a lot of work to be done.
00:21:16.440 Yeah.
00:21:17.460 Yeah, you mentioned what it means to be human.
00:21:20.600 And I know that you've done a lot of work
00:21:23.320 on this transhumanist movement.
00:21:26.540 And all of these things are really intimately connected.
00:21:29.760 I mean, the life issue,
00:21:31.180 it's a complete disrespect, right,
00:21:33.080 for not just human life,
00:21:34.880 but also the most innocent life
00:21:36.560 that exists on Earth, right?
00:21:39.100 An unborn child.
00:21:40.360 But you're also seeing a different emergence, right?
00:21:43.360 In the world of Elon Musk with Neuralink
00:21:46.620 and Apple just releasing this,
00:21:50.680 I forget what their names are,
00:21:51.880 but they're these headsets, right?
00:21:53.000 Where you can have an immersive experience
00:21:54.860 in a digital world, right?
00:21:56.500 Everything is virtual.
00:21:57.580 And suddenly people aren't able to interact
00:22:00.920 as human beings on top of not really respecting human life
00:22:05.460 as it is.
00:22:06.580 Can you talk a little bit about what we're facing
00:22:09.540 on a human level
00:22:11.460 and the kind of impact that the tech world
00:22:14.720 is having on our ability to perceive one another
00:22:19.160 and care for one another as people?
00:22:21.060 Yeah, and I mean, ultimately,
00:22:24.020 all of this comes down to your worldview.
00:22:26.320 All of this comes down to, honestly, theological questions.
00:22:29.800 You don't know,
00:22:30.600 we're not going to be able to know
00:22:31.680 what the answer is about things like abortion or IVF
00:22:34.760 or all of the transhumanist technologies
00:22:38.280 that are coming down the pipe,
00:22:39.460 unless we first know what humans are for,
00:22:41.560 who we are, when life begins,
00:22:44.080 who decides when it ends,
00:22:45.740 what are the proper uses of these technologies
00:22:47.940 are not questions that you can be answered
00:22:49.340 until you first have a firm grasp
00:22:51.040 on what it means to be human.
00:22:53.120 And so we actually have quite a bit of work to be done.
00:22:55.780 I would say, you know,
00:22:56.840 to the philosophers
00:22:57.680 and to the Christian scholars that are out there,
00:22:59.760 this is your moment.
00:23:00.980 This is your moment to give a proper understanding
00:23:04.060 of the human person
00:23:05.460 because every major cultural battle
00:23:07.560 that we are facing today,
00:23:08.780 from abortion to reproductive technologies
00:23:11.240 to our interactions with screens
00:23:14.740 to all these different virtual reality headset world
00:23:18.260 that we're about to step into,
00:23:19.580 all of the ways that we are genetically modifying humans,
00:23:22.560 you know, even before they are born,
00:23:25.080 even just at the cellular level in a lot of ways.
00:23:28.840 Really, first, we have to have
00:23:30.240 the theological underpinnings
00:23:31.940 to even know what humans are
00:23:34.000 before we can know
00:23:34.940 what technology applications are permissible.
00:23:38.700 Ultimately, this is a battle of worldview.
00:23:41.120 And we are really, in so many ways,
00:23:43.440 at a civilizational moment.
00:23:45.220 And I really, the reality is that
00:23:48.120 only the Christian worldview
00:23:49.840 has the scaffolding to sustain
00:23:52.100 a human dignifying approach
00:23:54.500 and answer and response
00:23:56.040 to all of these emerging technologies.
00:23:58.680 So it is the time
00:24:00.120 for Christians to be clear
00:24:01.640 and courageous
00:24:02.560 about who we are as made in the image of God
00:24:05.200 and all of the rights and protections
00:24:07.120 that need to be extended,
00:24:08.980 especially to the most vulnerable
00:24:11.000 in light of all of these new emerging
00:24:13.260 technological innovations and threats.
00:24:16.720 I agree with you that Christianity
00:24:19.260 is essential to rebuking all of this,
00:24:22.320 to standing up against it.
00:24:23.540 The problem that we have right now is,
00:24:25.660 yeah, there are great Christian families,
00:24:27.180 I'm sure, like yours, Katie,
00:24:28.880 or like the one that I was raised in.
00:24:30.960 But most people are, I mean, Gen Z specifically,
00:24:34.140 they're the most irreligious generation to date.
00:24:36.740 You have most kids, right?
00:24:38.800 They don't go to religious school,
00:24:40.120 Christian schools, Catholic schools.
00:24:41.420 They go to public schools
00:24:43.340 where they get social-emotional learning
00:24:44.900 and they might have a transgender teacher
00:24:47.220 and they're taught to be confused
00:24:49.520 about basic biology
00:24:51.060 and are inculcated really into cultural Marxism
00:24:54.580 from the onset.
00:24:56.260 And then they go on to college, right?
00:24:57.680 And things get even worse
00:24:58.940 and they have a critical theory department
00:25:01.460 instituted in their colleges.
00:25:03.600 And of course, colleges used to be religious now,
00:25:05.980 but most of them aren't.
00:25:07.460 And even the ones that are religious
00:25:08.760 are hardly religious at all.
00:25:10.640 I'm thinking of like Loyola in Chicago
00:25:13.360 and California, religious in name only, right?
00:25:16.260 And so we have our institutions collapsing
00:25:20.140 when it comes to the Christian values
00:25:23.000 that our country was founded on.
00:25:24.860 How can we stand up against that?
00:25:28.020 What can conservatives do
00:25:29.860 besides just in their own home,
00:25:31.400 which is essential, right?
00:25:32.780 But to also promote Christianity
00:25:35.340 in a Christian culture
00:25:36.520 in an America that seems so godless?
00:25:40.980 Well, there's a few things.
00:25:42.620 First of all, we cannot abandon or forsake
00:25:45.700 or deny the power of the family.
00:25:48.860 It is the one institution.
00:25:50.780 I mean, when you look at business,
00:25:52.360 entertainment, education, academia,
00:25:54.680 the only institution that hasn't been captured is yours,
00:25:58.000 your institution, your family.
00:25:59.460 And that is why the left is relentless
00:26:02.000 in their pursuit and the destruction
00:26:03.960 of this critical little platoon
00:26:06.840 of mother and father raising their children together.
00:26:10.240 And why is it that they are after parental rights?
00:26:12.520 Because it is the greatest obstacle
00:26:14.760 to advancing their woke ideology.
00:26:17.420 There is so much power in parenting,
00:26:19.120 so much more power in parenting
00:26:20.400 than there is in politics
00:26:22.040 when it comes to actual cultural transformation.
00:26:25.100 And that is one reason why we wrote our latest book,
00:26:28.080 Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City.
00:26:30.220 We're doing it with our kids
00:26:31.660 in a hyper-liberal environment,
00:26:33.780 with them largely going to public schools.
00:26:35.760 And our kids can stand against the lies.
00:26:38.140 They can refute their teachers when needed.
00:26:40.300 They can stand alone if necessary.
00:26:42.480 And I'll tell you what,
00:26:43.960 they are opening the eyes
00:26:45.860 of the people around them as a result.
00:26:47.520 But there's other things that we need to do as well,
00:26:50.060 in addition to just parenting our own kids,
00:26:52.080 regardless of whether we're in a red state
00:26:53.720 or a blue state home school,
00:26:55.220 private school, public school,
00:26:56.340 we actually need to retake the institutions.
00:26:59.940 And for way too long,
00:27:00.960 Christians and conservatives have hung back,
00:27:03.380 have handed over these institutions
00:27:05.720 for leftist domination.
00:27:08.120 Quick story.
00:27:08.800 I was at the ARC conference in London last week,
00:27:12.320 Jordan Peterson's new project.
00:27:13.720 I'm on the advisory board for it.
00:27:15.520 And Jonathan Paggio asked a question
00:27:17.380 of all these 1,500 people from 72 countries
00:27:20.140 who were doing work to restore human flourishing
00:27:22.600 for responsible governance,
00:27:24.620 for reducing the administrative state,
00:27:26.960 for using our resources wisely
00:27:29.160 and stewarding climate appropriately.
00:27:31.280 And he said, raise your hand
00:27:32.680 if you are a part of an organized formal religion.
00:27:36.300 95% of the people in that room
00:27:39.100 said we're religious.
00:27:41.680 And what they meant is we're Christians or Jews.
00:27:44.000 And then he sheepishly said,
00:27:45.140 well, how many are atheists?
00:27:46.220 And only about 25 people total.
00:27:47.940 Do you understand right now
00:27:49.760 that it's already happening?
00:27:51.900 Christians are already doing the hard work
00:27:54.820 of retaking institutions,
00:27:56.500 of showing the way forward
00:27:57.960 on all of the major civilizational issues
00:28:00.400 that we are facing.
00:28:02.080 Don't be discouraged.
00:28:03.640 Take heart.
00:28:05.040 Be courageous.
00:28:06.260 Work for I am with you, says the Lord.
00:28:08.740 And see where is that intersection
00:28:10.500 between what the world needs
00:28:11.820 and what God is calling you to.
00:28:14.020 And I really think in a few generations,
00:28:16.180 things are going to look very different.
00:28:17.500 That is very heartening to hear.
00:28:22.400 You know, as somebody who grew up
00:28:23.600 in a liberal city for elementary school,
00:28:26.840 had a little bit of a reprieve in high school
00:28:28.640 because I changed schools.
00:28:29.660 But then in college, I went to school in Chicago,
00:28:32.000 which is a very left-wing university.
00:28:34.520 Sometimes it feels really isolating for people,
00:28:36.920 especially ones that live in liberal cities
00:28:39.580 like you do,
00:28:40.640 and are just bombarded with Marxist,
00:28:44.780 cultural Marxist ideology all the time,
00:28:46.700 constantly feeling like they're alone
00:28:48.640 in their beliefs and their values.
00:28:51.020 And to see that there are like-minded people
00:28:53.920 who are actually fighting things
00:28:55.340 is a really heartening, very wonderful thing.
00:28:58.200 Katie, can you tell us where people can go to follow you
00:29:01.000 and where we can learn more about the work
00:29:03.400 that you're doing in your foundation?
00:29:06.020 Yeah.
00:29:06.760 thembeforeus.com is the place to figure out
00:29:08.740 what we're doing related to restoring the social fabric
00:29:11.840 in regards to marriage and family.
00:29:14.320 That is, we are doing, it's a global movement,
00:29:18.080 and we will bring this cultural conversation
00:29:20.840 to every country of the world.
00:29:23.420 I'm also on Twitter at advo underscore Katie,
00:29:27.460 where you get all my opinions,
00:29:28.640 and Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City
00:29:30.320 can be purchased at any place that sells books.
00:29:33.940 That's wonderful.
00:29:35.020 Katie, it's been so great to talk to you.
00:29:36.440 I'm so happy that we were able to have this conversation
00:29:39.600 because sometimes when you come out of elections,
00:29:42.100 like we did last night,
00:29:43.640 and you just feel down on yourself.
00:29:46.160 I felt like that way at the midterms,
00:29:47.980 it felt like we're losing our country.
00:29:49.860 It feels like there's no hope
00:29:51.580 and that many of us just have nowhere to look to.
00:29:56.060 And so to know that there are like-minded people
00:29:58.640 who are fighting and that things are going to
00:30:00.680 potentially be turning up is a really positive thing.
00:30:02.820 Yeah, we have a lot of reasons to be optimistic.
00:30:07.200 We are the party of life and protection
00:30:09.400 and re-knitting together the social fabric,
00:30:13.400 and that will prevail.
00:30:15.560 Yes, yes.
00:30:17.540 So as we're moving on,
00:30:19.800 we're going to be transitioning to a CISA conversation,
00:30:23.060 another one about government censorship
00:30:24.960 with John Daniel Davidson.
00:30:27.300 It's going to be an interesting conversation, I think,
00:30:29.640 where we're going to really get into the authoritarianism
00:30:32.980 that we've been seeing in the Twitter files
00:30:34.500 over the last several months,
00:30:36.520 but really coming into a culmination a couple days ago
00:30:39.160 when we got way more information about
00:30:40.660 what was censored and who was censored,
00:30:43.460 and John was one of them.
00:30:44.500 So I'm really excited for this conversation.
00:30:45.880 Voting News, women all over Virginia
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00:31:08.940 is you.
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00:31:15.880 Vote!
00:31:21.740 So the pro-abortion movement just took over Barbie, I guess,
00:31:25.980 and they just made it a girl-boss ad for abortion
00:31:29.920 and for, you know, this anti-Roe v. Wade movement
00:31:34.180 that we've been seeing emerge in the post-Roe era.
00:31:38.320 This is really similar to a lot of the stuff
00:31:40.280 that I'm seeing on TikTok.
00:31:41.560 My next guest, John, does not like TikTok.
00:31:44.000 Nobody at the Federalist staff does except for me,
00:31:45.960 but I'm on it.
00:31:46.940 And I'll tell you that the rhetoric
00:31:48.320 is just like that ad you saw.
00:31:51.200 People, young women, really have made the abortion issue
00:31:55.580 a freedom issue, a reproductive rights issue.
00:31:59.340 And it's become a very homogenous,
00:32:02.320 like I said, very girl-boss issue.
00:32:07.220 And the rhetoric is very similar.
00:32:08.840 John, I want to bring you in here
00:32:10.480 and talk a little bit about what you thought of that ad,
00:32:14.100 what you thought of issue one,
00:32:16.320 of women carrying the torch for issue one.
00:32:19.820 And also, you know, they voted very high numbers
00:32:23.360 for Democrats in the last midterms as well.
00:32:25.420 What do you make of all of this?
00:32:27.840 And that ad specifically, and the tone of that ad?
00:32:32.580 Well, it's easy to laugh at that kind of thing.
00:32:36.780 And it's very cartoonish.
00:32:39.040 It's very much, as you say, girl-boss, Barbie aesthetic.
00:32:43.980 And unfortunately, though,
00:32:45.620 I think that's what the discourse
00:32:47.600 has kind of devolved into.
00:32:49.160 And I think, really, this is the real legacy of Roe.
00:32:54.360 In addition, obviously, to the millions and millions
00:32:57.500 of lives that have been lost because of abortion,
00:33:01.220 thanks to Roe,
00:33:02.440 the legacy of Roe in our political discourse
00:33:05.780 has been to sort of distill the abortion question
00:33:09.360 down to a crude kind of girl-boss feminism issue
00:33:16.080 in which if you're against abortion
00:33:19.760 or you raise questions about abortion
00:33:21.440 or you want to talk about, you know,
00:33:24.280 personhood of the unborn or morality
00:33:26.780 or anything like that,
00:33:28.180 you're like this sort of like handmaiden's tail
00:33:30.960 oppressor of women.
00:33:32.680 And if you stand up against that,
00:33:35.340 you're like this empowered girl-boss
00:33:36.960 who's like taking charge of the country
00:33:38.880 and taking charge of your future.
00:33:42.560 I will say that's one legacy of Roe.
00:33:44.600 And I think that we kind of saw that play out
00:33:47.880 in the elections last night
00:33:49.740 and we saw it play out.
00:33:51.000 We've seen it play out elsewhere.
00:33:52.800 And certainly the money that goes into ads like this
00:33:55.500 is really pushing that narrative hard
00:33:57.200 and it has been successful electorally so far.
00:34:02.900 Yeah, what bothers me a lot about all of this, right,
00:34:06.480 is it's centered in compassion for women, right,
00:34:10.360 women's rights, women's issues,
00:34:11.860 saying that we want to help women.
00:34:14.020 The pro-lifers just want to make them have their babies
00:34:16.580 and then, you know, they drop them on their butts
00:34:20.080 and it's all over for them, you know,
00:34:22.080 once the baby's actually born.
00:34:23.920 And the reality is that it's actually the opposite.
00:34:26.960 It's the really uncompassionate thing,
00:34:29.460 the really bloody wrong thing
00:34:31.240 is to kill an innocent, unique human life
00:34:35.040 based on circumstances.
00:34:36.700 But women who are very compassionate
00:34:41.240 and who really want to do what's right, right?
00:34:44.100 I said in the beginning of this show
00:34:45.600 that these are the type of people who will say,
00:34:48.280 you know, I stand with insert oppressed group, right?
00:34:51.000 Young women do that all the time, right?
00:34:52.480 They want to be seen as caring and loving.
00:34:56.480 They're really, those good intentions,
00:34:59.000 those good instincts that women have
00:35:01.460 are being manipulated for something really awful,
00:35:04.460 really bloody by the pro-choice movement,
00:35:07.580 by the left in general, by feminism.
00:35:10.080 John, I asked a couple of my guests this,
00:35:12.240 but I'm really curious what you think.
00:35:14.700 How can we reach out to young people in general
00:35:18.000 who have been manipulated into thinking
00:35:19.760 that abortion is compassionate
00:35:21.620 and that actually it's the pro-lifers
00:35:24.460 who are, you know, not being,
00:35:26.560 not caring about women who are in bad situations?
00:35:30.720 Well, I think that you started to hit on it right there.
00:35:33.820 And that is to come at this idea
00:35:36.100 that abortion is somehow a compassionate
00:35:38.420 and caring thing
00:35:40.160 and that somehow it's a salutary thing
00:35:43.020 for the women who get abortions
00:35:44.960 and the families that go through that.
00:35:48.260 That's the point to argue.
00:35:50.420 And I think that's a persuasion point
00:35:53.140 in this debate.
00:35:55.280 Because really when you look at studies
00:35:58.840 and when you look at any of it anecdotally,
00:36:01.680 you can see what a destructive force abortion is
00:36:05.300 in society and in the lives of people
00:36:08.100 and families who have had abortions done.
00:36:12.300 So not just the destruction of the unborn life,
00:36:15.000 but of the women as well.
00:36:16.900 And that touches on something else
00:36:18.280 that I think is important to talk about.
00:36:19.760 We talk about the legacy of Roe v. Wade
00:36:22.140 and what its real legacy is going to be.
00:36:24.620 You have many, many women and men in this country
00:36:29.100 who have been complicit in or had abortions
00:36:31.700 over 50 years.
00:36:34.420 And to suddenly have Roe v. Wade overturned
00:36:37.080 and have this issue tossed back to the states
00:36:39.400 and have these kind of political battles now,
00:36:41.600 which were dormant for a long time
00:36:43.000 because politicians could just sort of say,
00:36:45.400 well, I defer to the courts.
00:36:46.520 Well, now you have this sort of moral reckoning,
00:36:50.280 I would say,
00:36:51.320 where you have to make a case
00:36:54.960 to a lot of people
00:36:56.000 who have been involved with abortions
00:36:57.580 and had them or been complicit in them
00:36:59.640 or paid for them
00:37:00.600 and confronting them with the reality
00:37:03.440 that what they've engaged in
00:37:04.800 is morally wrong
00:37:06.440 and in fact a monstrous evil.
00:37:08.620 And so that is a conversation
00:37:10.440 that abortion proponents do not want to have.
00:37:13.820 To come to the knowledge
00:37:15.920 that you have been wrong
00:37:19.080 about something so profound
00:37:21.340 and so fundamental
00:37:22.380 as the taking of an innocent life
00:37:24.580 requires more than kind of the bland sloganeering
00:37:27.960 that we've gotten used to from the GOP
00:37:30.000 and more than the bland sloganeering
00:37:32.080 that even Democrats got used to,
00:37:34.520 you know, decades ago
00:37:35.560 with Bill Clinton's safe, legal and rare.
00:37:37.920 We really have to sort of find a new way
00:37:40.020 to talk about abortion
00:37:41.020 and reframe it not just in moral terms
00:37:44.680 but also in terms of what you mentioned
00:37:46.840 that it's not a compassionate thing.
00:37:49.140 It's not a positive thing in people's lives
00:37:51.120 and we really need to come at that idea
00:37:52.980 that it's something to be celebrated.
00:37:54.800 It's really not.
00:37:56.940 So John, I want to transition here a little bit
00:37:59.460 and these, they don't seem related
00:38:01.500 but these two issues are actually related
00:38:03.540 because the losses that we experienced last night,
00:38:08.400 also during the midterms,
00:38:09.680 this is all related to election integrity
00:38:12.700 and making sure that we have secure elections.
00:38:17.180 We just learned a few days ago
00:38:19.360 that more information about the partnership
00:38:22.300 that our government, specifically the DHS,
00:38:25.060 has had with private entities
00:38:27.060 who then the government outsources censorship
00:38:29.920 on social media,
00:38:31.820 particularly censorship related
00:38:33.860 to the integrity of our elections.
00:38:35.880 And you, John, were one of those people
00:38:38.600 who was censored by the DHS,
00:38:41.880 as a subsidiary to the DHS called CISA,
00:38:44.380 ahead or actually following the 2020 election.
00:38:47.840 Can you, we're going to have,
00:38:48.540 we have a little bit left in this block,
00:38:50.200 we'll talk about it more in a second,
00:38:51.280 but explain a little bit about
00:38:52.400 what you were censored on
00:38:55.760 and what other colleagues of ours
00:38:58.380 were also targeted for.
00:39:00.840 Yeah, specifically, Sean Davis,
00:39:04.180 the Federalist co-founder and CEO,
00:39:07.480 and Molly Hemingway, our editor-in-chief,
00:39:09.480 their Twitter accounts
00:39:10.600 and a number of their tweets
00:39:13.000 immediately following the November 2020 election
00:39:16.000 were censored.
00:39:16.660 And one of those tweets that Sean sent out
00:39:18.420 was tweeting out an article
00:39:19.820 that I had written
00:39:20.560 about some of the irregularities
00:39:22.280 that we saw on election night
00:39:23.580 and the day after the election
00:39:24.740 in places like Wisconsin and Michigan,
00:39:27.100 specifically just calling attention
00:39:29.900 to the fact that there were irregularities
00:39:32.220 and that the irregularities
00:39:34.500 were likely a result of,
00:39:36.360 you know, shenanigans
00:39:38.280 by Democrat-controlled polling places
00:39:41.240 in Democrat-controlled cities
00:39:43.600 like Milwaukee.
00:39:45.720 And so those were the sorts of things,
00:39:48.600 at least, you know,
00:39:50.100 initially right after the election
00:39:51.780 that were being censored.
00:39:53.760 And at the time, you know,
00:39:54.920 we didn't really understand.
00:39:57.300 We didn't really know.
00:39:58.120 And a lot of us were taken by surprise
00:39:59.620 that these tweets and these articles
00:40:01.880 were just being taken down
00:40:03.260 or limited in their reach
00:40:05.040 with very little explanation.
00:40:07.260 Well, now, thanks not only
00:40:09.420 to the Twitter files
00:40:10.680 from earlier this year
00:40:11.780 that sort of exposed
00:40:13.040 this ecosystem of censorship
00:40:14.580 across big tech
00:40:16.220 and the deputization of Twitter
00:40:18.200 by the federal government,
00:40:19.600 including the FBI
00:40:20.240 and the Department of Homeland Security,
00:40:22.100 we now know that the government
00:40:24.200 was really using third parties
00:40:26.900 to lean very heavily
00:40:29.900 on these social media companies
00:40:31.700 to take down these sorts of tweets.
00:40:35.360 This includes not just opinions
00:40:37.160 or like takes,
00:40:38.300 but news stories
00:40:39.480 and other commentary
00:40:41.520 and even jokes,
00:40:43.200 as we learned from yesterday's news.
00:40:47.380 Yeah, it's really interesting.
00:40:49.280 The reasons that CISA has said
00:40:53.400 that they're going to censor people,
00:40:55.740 they claim it's because,
00:40:57.320 you know, it has malinformation,
00:40:59.860 which we're going to talk about next time.
00:41:01.120 It's information that's true,
00:41:02.820 but that's inconvenient to the government,
00:41:04.560 and so they censor it.
00:41:05.480 When I'm working long hours,
00:41:11.880 I'm always listening to Human Events
00:41:13.340 with Jack Posobiec.
00:41:15.380 So this was a partnership,
00:41:17.260 I want to make it clear,
00:41:18.420 with the federal government,
00:41:19.780 with the DHS,
00:41:21.320 a Stanford disinformation organization,
00:41:25.600 and it wasn't just federalist staff writers
00:41:28.980 like Sean Davis,
00:41:29.860 Molly Hemingway,
00:41:30.800 an article by John Davidson,
00:41:32.820 who's my guest right now.
00:41:34.520 It was also the host of this show,
00:41:36.340 Jack Posobiec,
00:41:37.140 who was censored.
00:41:37.800 It was Charlie Kirk.
00:41:38.960 It was the sitting president
00:41:40.280 of the United States,
00:41:41.580 Donald Trump,
00:41:42.320 who was being censored
00:41:43.500 by the United States government
00:41:45.880 while he was in office.
00:41:47.540 This is an explosive story
00:41:49.880 that says a lot
00:41:51.300 just about how far
00:41:53.200 our federal agencies have devolved,
00:41:55.740 and the way that they clearly
00:41:57.340 do not respect the Constitution,
00:42:01.220 the oath that many of them,
00:42:03.620 you know,
00:42:04.100 took when they got their major positions
00:42:06.700 in these agencies.
00:42:08.000 I think what a lot of people
00:42:10.000 are really thinking about, John,
00:42:12.400 is what do we do, right?
00:42:14.080 Because this is essential.
00:42:16.840 Addressing this censorship is essential.
00:42:19.020 There's a court case,
00:42:20.580 Missouri v. Biden,
00:42:21.340 that's trying to hold
00:42:22.880 these entities accountable.
00:42:25.080 But many of us
00:42:25.980 just feel really helpless.
00:42:27.120 No one's going to go to jail
00:42:28.100 because of this.
00:42:29.280 Republicans,
00:42:30.000 109 of them in the House,
00:42:31.600 voted against defunding CISA,
00:42:33.680 which was the nerve center
00:42:35.140 of all this censorship.
00:42:36.840 What can Americans do?
00:42:38.680 What should they be telling
00:42:39.500 their politicians to do
00:42:40.620 to address all this censorship?
00:42:44.820 Well, one thing that people can do
00:42:47.340 is educate themselves
00:42:48.860 and understand kind of
00:42:49.920 the breadth of the problem.
00:42:50.720 And to do that,
00:42:51.920 you kind of have to take a step back.
00:42:54.200 One of the things
00:42:55.140 that became really clear
00:42:56.640 when the Twitter files
00:42:57.640 came out earlier this year
00:42:59.100 is that a lot of the tools
00:43:01.600 that the federal government
00:43:02.800 created for itself
00:43:04.620 after 9-11,
00:43:06.720 sort of adding
00:43:07.580 significant counterintelligence
00:43:10.420 and intelligence gathering
00:43:11.660 and surveillance capabilities
00:43:12.960 to the FBI,
00:43:14.500 the creation of the Department
00:43:15.540 of Homeland Security,
00:43:16.880 these kind of tools
00:43:17.980 that were the argument
00:43:19.820 for them at the time
00:43:20.760 was that we need
00:43:21.460 to be able to detect
00:43:22.940 and disrupt terrorist attacks
00:43:24.820 before they happen.
00:43:26.900 So we can't take
00:43:27.820 a law enforcement approach
00:43:29.540 to terrorism.
00:43:30.980 We have to take
00:43:31.560 a proactive sort of,
00:43:34.080 we have to interdict
00:43:35.860 these plots.
00:43:37.080 And so we have to launch
00:43:38.400 this massive espionage
00:43:39.940 and surveillance apparatus
00:43:42.320 in order to do that.
00:43:43.500 And some people at the time
00:43:45.460 warned that this was
00:43:46.680 very dangerous,
00:43:47.340 that if you created
00:43:48.400 such a surveillance apparatus,
00:43:50.420 eventually it wouldn't be used
00:43:52.440 on foreign terrorists,
00:43:53.860 it would be turned
00:43:54.460 on the American people.
00:43:56.120 And those people
00:43:57.460 were ignored at the time,
00:43:58.980 but everything that they said
00:44:00.920 20 years ago now
00:44:02.860 has turned out to be true
00:44:04.540 because the tools
00:44:06.240 and the agencies
00:44:07.360 and the apparatus
00:44:09.280 that was designed
00:44:10.560 to go after terrorists
00:44:11.820 has been turned
00:44:13.180 on American people
00:44:14.220 and has been used
00:44:15.960 to throttle free speech
00:44:17.940 and censor online content
00:44:19.860 and opinions and jokes
00:44:21.060 and satire
00:44:21.800 and real news reporting as well.
00:44:24.680 And I think that's
00:44:25.580 the important thing
00:44:26.540 to understand.
00:44:27.200 That's what the FBI was doing,
00:44:29.360 especially after January 6th.
00:44:31.940 It ended up just sending
00:44:33.300 Twitter like databases
00:44:34.760 of accounts to suspend,
00:44:36.580 block, throttle,
00:44:37.900 censor, crush, ban.
00:44:40.100 And as though Twitter
00:44:42.460 was an arm of the FBI
00:44:45.900 or the Department
00:44:46.740 of Homeland Security
00:44:47.580 or CISA.
00:44:49.200 And that, as far as we know,
00:44:51.160 you know, that sort of thing
00:44:52.220 continues to this day.
00:44:53.600 It's not as though
00:44:54.120 this has all been dismantled
00:44:55.260 just because we know about it.
00:44:57.800 So interesting.
00:44:58.740 You bring up parody accounts
00:45:00.280 and that, to me,
00:45:01.020 that was the one
00:45:01.740 that made my blood boil, right?
00:45:03.000 So, yeah, the FBI
00:45:04.140 was sending direct tweets
00:45:05.940 and Facebook posts
00:45:06.920 that they needed to be censored
00:45:07.800 by these companies.
00:45:08.480 The White House
00:45:09.340 was doing the same thing.
00:45:10.820 The Biden administration
00:45:11.980 was sending Jill Biden
00:45:13.880 parody accounts
00:45:15.080 and tweets to Twitter
00:45:16.480 to say, hey, get rid of this
00:45:17.880 because it makes
00:45:18.460 the First Lady look bad.
00:45:19.960 When they say disinformation
00:45:21.460 or misinformation,
00:45:23.380 it really doesn't mean
00:45:24.460 that these things aren't true.
00:45:25.800 In fact, they actually admit that.
00:45:27.680 CISA says that part of their job
00:45:29.760 is to get rid of malinformation,
00:45:32.660 which is literally defined
00:45:34.140 by CISA as information
00:45:35.480 that's true,
00:45:36.180 but that is somehow damaging.
00:45:38.420 And what they mean
00:45:38.880 is damaging to themselves
00:45:40.160 and their own narrative.
00:45:41.660 And they use these words
00:45:43.080 to manipulate us
00:45:43.860 to say, well,
00:45:44.180 we're not pro-disinformation.
00:45:46.440 So I guess it's okay
00:45:48.520 for the government
00:45:49.260 to potentially stop bad people
00:45:51.880 from telling lies
00:45:52.680 on the Internet,
00:45:53.140 but the problem is
00:45:53.820 who decides what's true?
00:45:56.080 And ultimately,
00:45:57.160 because our federal government
00:45:58.420 is so partisan,
00:46:00.060 the left ends up
00:46:01.360 deciding what's true.
00:46:02.440 And by and large,
00:46:04.320 the right is the one
00:46:05.260 that gets censored
00:46:06.700 on these platforms.
00:46:08.100 And they make it impossible
00:46:08.900 for us to survive
00:46:10.300 as an entity, right?
00:46:11.340 If we can't share our articles,
00:46:13.580 right, or Human Events
00:46:14.360 can't put out their clips
00:46:17.420 because it's getting censored
00:46:18.700 all the time,
00:46:19.200 well, then you can't really exist
00:46:20.360 because you can't spread the message,
00:46:22.000 you can't make money,
00:46:22.900 you can't get ad revenue.
00:46:24.340 So there's a lot of threats
00:46:26.320 that this poses,
00:46:27.180 not just to the First Amendment,
00:46:29.780 right, but the way that
00:46:32.180 we are able to share information
00:46:34.000 in our country.
00:46:35.200 John, what is this going to mean
00:46:36.660 for 2024?
00:46:37.960 It doesn't seem like
00:46:39.040 these problems
00:46:39.540 have really been addressed.
00:46:41.040 We know about them,
00:46:42.160 we're talking about them,
00:46:43.820 but I don't see how
00:46:45.200 we're actually going to be protected
00:46:46.660 from this kind of censorship
00:46:48.280 come 2024.
00:46:50.160 No, the misinformation
00:46:51.540 or malinformation
00:46:53.060 industrial complex
00:46:54.220 is very much alive and well.
00:46:56.020 And we need to understand it
00:46:57.140 as such,
00:46:58.260 you know,
00:46:58.480 the terms misinformation
00:46:59.880 and malinformation
00:47:00.760 weren't really around
00:47:01.940 before 2016.
00:47:02.980 It was Donald Trump's election
00:47:04.080 that really propelled
00:47:05.280 what are actually Soviet terms
00:47:08.780 for Soviet propaganda.
00:47:10.000 These are terms
00:47:10.380 the Soviet Union came up with
00:47:11.540 to counter,
00:47:12.840 you know,
00:47:13.540 real journalism
00:47:15.120 and real news
00:47:16.080 with Soviet propaganda.
00:47:17.820 They came up with terms
00:47:18.900 like misinformation
00:47:19.500 and malinformation.
00:47:21.760 That,
00:47:22.480 there's a whole ecosystem
00:47:23.900 of national security
00:47:25.600 scholars and consultants
00:47:27.220 that are tied up
00:47:28.500 in these different centers
00:47:29.460 that are housed
00:47:30.060 at universities,
00:47:30.760 that there's a revolving door
00:47:32.680 between the intelligence agencies
00:47:34.160 and these centers
00:47:35.800 housed at universities.
00:47:36.820 And that's all intact.
00:47:39.200 Okay.
00:47:39.640 That's all alive and well.
00:47:41.220 Now,
00:47:41.480 one big difference
00:47:42.440 is that
00:47:42.960 Elon Musk owns Twitter now.
00:47:45.360 And so they're less able
00:47:47.320 to sort of strong arm Twitter,
00:47:49.720 not entirely unable
00:47:50.920 to strong arm them,
00:47:51.980 but we need to sort of expect
00:47:53.640 that the kind of misinformation
00:47:56.020 and malinformation operations,
00:47:58.860 psychological and propaganda operations
00:48:00.800 that we saw in 2020
00:48:01.900 are going to be part
00:48:03.500 of the 2024 election cycle.
00:48:05.020 And so something profound changes,
00:48:06.760 this is just part
00:48:07.640 of our,
00:48:08.280 you know,
00:48:09.280 political economy now.
00:48:10.760 And it's going to be
00:48:12.760 until there's some major
00:48:13.780 structural changes
00:48:14.740 that take place
00:48:15.500 because there's too many people
00:48:17.140 invested in throttling
00:48:18.940 free speech
00:48:19.640 on the internet
00:48:20.460 and preventing
00:48:21.200 something like
00:48:22.420 a Donald Trump victory
00:48:23.940 from ever happening again.
00:48:25.220 That's the real purpose
00:48:26.280 of all this.
00:48:27.380 Yeah.
00:48:27.620 John,
00:48:27.920 where can people go
00:48:28.840 to follow you
00:48:29.420 just so we get that?
00:48:33.420 You can follow me
00:48:34.440 on Twitter
00:48:34.720 at John D. Davidson
00:48:35.560 dot com
00:48:36.720 at John D. Davidson
00:48:37.840 where I was banned
00:48:39.260 for over a year
00:48:40.620 for saying that
00:48:41.320 Rachel Levin
00:48:41.920 is a man.
00:48:43.360 That was under
00:48:43.740 the old Twitter
00:48:44.400 misinformation, right?
00:48:47.480 But now I'm back
00:48:48.580 for now.
00:48:49.920 You're back.
00:48:50.440 Thanks so much
00:48:51.060 for being here.
00:48:51.620 This is all connected, right?
00:48:52.820 The abortion issue,
00:48:53.600 the feminism issue,
00:48:54.300 if we don't have the right
00:48:55.080 to talk about it
00:48:55.860 on social media,
00:48:56.860 which is what
00:48:57.420 the authoritarians are doing,
00:48:58.880 we're going to lose
00:48:59.680 every election.
00:49:00.480 We're going to lose it
00:49:01.140 on every level.
00:49:03.520 So this is super important.
00:49:04.780 John,
00:49:04.960 thanks for being here.