Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 602： FREE SPEECH UNDER FIRE： THE DOUGLAS MACKEY AND AMY HAMM CASES

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:39.840 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:46.540 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:49.460 Deliver us from evil.

00:00:50.780 No pause in Israel's war with Hamas.

00:00:53.560 Israel releasing new video of airstrikes.

00:00:55.840 A ceasefire with Hamas means surrender to Hamas.

00:00:58.580 Filmed from a children's hospital this morning, Israeli tanks on the streets of Gaza City.

00:01:03.700 But for the families of Israeli hostages taken in the October 7th terror attacks, where 1,400 were killed, any pause is hopeful. 0.90

00:01:12.240 Diplomacy is inching along with China. 0.73

00:01:15.020 Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen met with her Chinese counterpart one week before President Biden meets with President Xi Jinping.

00:01:22.580 The United States has no desire to decouple from China.

00:01:27.100 Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has secured the support of Catalan's separatist party in order to form new government.

00:01:34.200 The Spanish government and Catalonia's separatist party, the Huns, have reached on an agreement over proposing amnesty bill.

00:01:41.760 Now, the move sparked large-scale protests in capital Madrid over separating Catalonia from Spain.

00:01:46.900 The federal trial is underway in San Francisco for a man accused in the attack on Paul Pelosi.

00:01:51.480 David DePap is accused of breaking into their San Francisco home and using a hammer to attack Mr. Pelosi.

00:01:57.060 An all-day manhunt in New Jersey for a man wanted for the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol.

00:02:03.060 Gregory Yetman ran into the woods when cops tried to arrest him in Helmeta.

00:02:07.280 You posted this on Twitter.

00:02:08.420 This is a meme.

00:02:09.000 It says, save time, avoid the line, vote from home.

00:02:12.700 And it's got a picture of Hillary Clinton.

00:02:15.660 Text Hillary to this number. 0.76

00:02:17.560 And you posted it on Twitter.

00:02:19.640 Why did, what was the point of that?

00:02:22.140 Just sort of a joke.

00:02:25.140 Rile up everybody.

00:02:26.200 Muddy the waters.

00:02:26.820 I had 8 to 10 law enforcement agents come and lock on my door at 7 a.m.

00:02:32.820 Seven days after Joe Biden was inaugurated.

00:02:37.280 This is Libby Emmons for Human Events Daily in for Jack Posobiec.

00:02:46.820 Thanks for joining us today.

00:02:48.360 A man is going to federal prison for a meme.

00:02:51.280 He's going to prison for satire, for a joke.

00:02:54.080 It began back during the meme wars of 2016 when memesters across the web were sending out jokes,

00:02:59.860 essentially political cartoons making fun of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton,

00:03:04.020 boosting Donald Trump, and generally wrecking glorious havoc,

00:03:07.280 on political discourse across the web.

00:03:09.740 Douglas Mackey shared a meme that essentially made the joke that Hillary Clinton supporters

00:03:13.600 were too lacking in intelligence to realize they couldn't submit their vote by text.

00:03:18.880 Avoid the line, the joke said.

00:03:20.600 Vote from home. 0.94

00:03:22.080 It was funny.

00:03:23.360 It was not a big deal.

00:03:24.940 It didn't sway anyone to think they could vote via text.

00:03:28.420 Biden's Department of Justice couldn't even find anyone who believed it was true,

00:03:32.120 or who actually tried to vote by text.

00:03:35.080 A Clinton supporter did the same thing, instructing Trump voters to vote on the wrong day.

00:03:39.760 Can we see that video from Christina Wong?

00:03:41.860 Hey, everybody.

00:03:43.760 This is Christina Wong.

00:03:45.520 And I'm coming out.

00:03:47.700 I'm a Trump supporter.

00:03:49.040 And I just want to remind all my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, people of color for Trump,

00:03:53.780 to vote.

00:03:54.960 Vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th.

00:03:58.300 Really important day.

00:03:59.320 We're going to show this country who's boss.

00:04:01.500 And that's our man, Donald Trump.

00:04:03.240 So don't forget to vote Donald Trump on November 9th.

00:04:06.900 Christina Wong was not arrested for her joke.

00:04:10.700 She will not be going to prison for seven months because of it.

00:04:13.600 But this has gone far beyond a double standard.

00:04:16.040 This is the political prosecution of speech.

00:04:18.640 Imagine if George Bush had gone after Jon Stewart.

00:04:21.300 Imagine if Trump had gone after Alec Baldwin or Nixon went after George Carlin.

00:04:25.940 Would any of that have been tolerated?

00:04:28.080 What about prosecution for political cartoons?

00:04:30.620 But Hillary Clinton celebrated the prosecution and imprisonment of a man for making a joke at

00:04:35.540 her expense.

00:04:36.140 She said the meme went from what you would consider free speech to running a very deliberate

00:04:41.040 effort to mislead people about where and how to vote.

00:04:44.480 So it went from speech to action meant to subvert the election.

00:04:48.360 The ACLU agreed.

00:04:50.160 The whole thing is insane.

00:04:52.160 Yet we're not seeing any outcries from those who believe themselves to be staunch defenders

00:04:56.100 of free speech.

00:04:57.000 We're seeing tweets, sure, but where is the organized effort to oppose this disastrous

00:05:01.180 violation of our First Amendment rights?

00:05:02.920 Americans have allowed their rights to be beaten so far into the ground that we stand idly by 0.81

00:05:07.980 while a man is imprisoned for making a joke.

00:05:12.100 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise

00:05:17.760 thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people to

00:05:22.960 peaceably assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

00:05:26.260 That means we get to make jokes.

00:05:28.780 We get to go to church.

00:05:30.000 We get to protest in favor of our rights.

00:05:32.400 Mackie isn't the only one.

00:05:33.640 In the UK, in Canada, in Europe, we see people charged with crimes for liking tweets like an

00:05:38.340 MP in Poland or complaining about immigration like a man in the UK or saying men aren't women

00:05:43.000 like in Canada.

00:05:44.160 I always thought America was better than that.

00:05:46.260 I thought we were a land of the free, a land where we could speak our minds without fear

00:05:50.540 of government retribution.

00:05:52.520 What the Mackie case shows us is not that I was wrong, but that we have let our guard down.

00:05:56.780 We have become complacent.

00:05:58.500 Our rights are worth fighting for, and without our First Amendment, the rest will also fall

00:06:02.560 to ruin.

00:06:03.500 These rights are not government granted.

00:06:05.080 They are God-given.

00:06:05.980 And if the government doesn't respect that, it's time to remind our elected leaders that

00:06:09.800 our rights are absolute and that we don't work for the government.

00:06:13.300 The government works for us.

00:06:14.500 And if it isn't working, it's our right to change it.

00:06:44.500 That slappy whack, trim out his alitzabam ship, nippy-bam-bam, like Human Events with Jack

00:06:50.020 Posobiec.

00:06:52.900 This is Libby Emmons in for Jack Posobiec on Human Events Daily.

00:06:57.300 Thanks for joining us.

00:06:58.320 When my great-grandparents emigrated to the U.S. from Italy, from Norway, they wanted 0.98

00:07:03.440 to be American.

00:07:04.640 They brought their customs, their culture, their language, their cuisine, and they worked

00:07:08.200 hard to become part of the country they loved.

00:07:10.480 They left behind their traditions and motherland in search of new opportunities and a better

00:07:14.380 life than the one they left behind.

00:07:16.220 They were terrified to hear my Nona and my Bestamore tell it as they embraced the unknown,

00:07:20.320 but they did it anyway.

00:07:21.760 Adopting new customs, they embraced American culture.

00:07:24.440 They learned English, and they raised their children to love America.

00:07:28.360 Immigration was the precursor to assimilation, to becoming part of the fabric of the nation. 0.95

00:07:32.820 I'm three generations past those ancestors, and I am that which they aspired to be, American.

00:07:37.680 I can claim no other nation as my home, and no other nation can claim me.

00:07:41.640 I'm proud of it.

00:07:42.500 I'm grateful to the veterans who fought and died for our rights, for our land, for our way

00:07:45.960 of life, and I'm dedicated to passing these ways on in my family.

00:07:49.400 But this is not the perspective we see of many immigrants to the U.S. or to the U.K.,

00:07:54.460 and in many ways, the collapse of Western culture in on itself, our shame for our own

00:07:58.720 prosperity, has led to our own nation telling immigrants that they should not want to be

00:08:02.840 American, that the cultures they are leaving behind are better than the ones they are coming 1.00

00:08:06.540 to.

00:08:07.660 I don't believe that's true, but our culture and our foundations are at risk amidst this

00:08:11.700 onslaught.

00:08:12.960 What we see now are immigrants who don't want to become part of the country they come to, 1.00

00:08:16.020 but who want to recreate that country in the image of the one they left behind.

00:08:19.900 They want to import and embed their customs, culture, and language, and there's no plan 0.95

00:08:23.580 among them to cast it off the way my family did, but rather to overtake the existing culture,

00:08:28.460 scuttle American ideals into the dustbin of obsolescence.

00:08:31.560 Nowhere has this been more clear than in the recent waves of protests that have rocked

00:08:34.760 London and Europe, where immigrants and the children of immigrants have taken to the streets 1.00

00:08:38.420 to demand that the country that took them in transform itself to suit them.

00:08:42.620 Post-Millennial senior editor Andy Ngo has covered some of those protests and has a long

00:08:48.020 history of covering civil unrest and its origins in the U.S.

00:08:51.640 He's here to talk about it.

00:08:53.020 Hey, Andy, how's it going?

00:08:55.560 Thanks for having me on.

00:08:57.080 Thanks so much, Andy.

00:08:58.000 I really appreciate it.

00:08:59.540 We've seen a lot of the coverage that you've been doing in London, going out there and covering

00:09:06.100 some of these street protests.

00:09:07.900 Can you tell us a little bit about what the atmosphere has been like out there?

00:09:11.180 I know that there's been some clashes.

00:09:15.020 So London, like America and Europe and really the rest of the Western world, has been rocked

00:09:22.780 by weeks of demonstrations since the 7th of October, which is when Hamas launched its terror

00:09:30.640 attacks in southern Israel.

00:09:32.500 In the first couple of weeks, I would say, the demonstrations that I observed were more

00:09:39.460 celebratory.

00:09:41.140 People were celebrating what they viewed as the resistance.

00:09:44.940 And by that, they're using euphemism for celebration of the terrorist attacks.

00:09:50.360 But as the ground invasion by Israeli forces has happened into Gaza now, it's taken more

00:09:57.940 of, there's more anger and there's more violence.

00:10:03.240 What I've noticed that's different about the demonstrations in Europe compared to the United

00:10:10.680 States is that the religious element is a bit more at the forefront.

00:10:15.840 We have seen some of the Islamic elements come out of the demonstrations in the U.S., for

00:10:21.840 example, through mass prayers that have happened in D.C., in Soho and Minneapolis, these acts

00:10:27.440 of people taking over streets and public areas and doing prayers, which ostensibly, perhaps

00:10:35.680 to the American eyes, might look innocent as people engaging in a private and personal religious

00:10:43.580 activity.

00:10:44.140 But in fact, it actually is using a model that Islamists have used in Europe for decades

00:10:51.840 now, which is an act of force and, in my view, an act of provocation against the state,

00:10:58.880 showing that we are going to pray on your streets in public and there's nothing you can do about

00:11:05.400 it as we take over your parks or main streets, shut down the roads.

00:11:10.260 So that has featured in these protests in London more predominantly.

00:11:17.740 You have religious chants, often in Arabic, that do incite violence.

00:11:23.900 And if you don't speak Arabic or you're not familiar with them, it will go over your head

00:11:28.020 completely, as I noticed with some of these white leftist protesters who go along. 0.53

00:11:33.280 They have no idea that these people are chanting for Muhammad's army to come again and slaughter 0.99

00:11:39.640 the Jews. 0.97

00:11:40.640 And the word they use is Yahud, which is Jews. 0.94

00:11:43.740 That's not the same word as Israeli.

00:11:47.320 They've called for Hamas to bomb Tel Aviv.

00:11:51.580 And there have been a number of arrests that the Metropolitan Police in London have made for

00:11:56.500 terror offenses, incitement to violence, racism.

00:11:59.500 So while not the entire demonstration is extremist, there are pockets over and over that we see

00:12:08.760 every time.

00:12:10.020 And certainly, you know, you look at the treatment of Trump rallies going back to 2015.

00:12:17.900 Anytime there was somebody with bringing some type of far right symbol out, the entire demonstration

00:12:25.180 was painted, and the entire MAGA movement was painted as far right and extremist because

00:12:31.440 of one person with the flag.

00:12:33.100 Well, in these cases, you have not just one, but dozens and dozens of people chanting and

00:12:38.220 showing symbols of extremism.

00:12:41.820 What has the police response been like?

00:12:43.780 And what has the response been like from British people who are out there?

00:12:48.340 I know that I saw near the cenotaph, there were some veterans protesting.

00:12:53.980 They were trying to say not for the Islamic protesters to attack the cenotaph, which is something

00:13:00.480 they were worried about.

00:13:02.140 What has that response been like from officers?

00:13:07.100 So there's a segment of the British population who are really protective of their monuments and

00:13:15.560 statues, I think, because, I mean, England is a much, much older nation than America, and

00:13:23.000 some of these monuments and symbols have a lot of meaning to the people here.

00:13:30.820 And unfortunately, some of those monuments in central London, close to Parliament, have

00:13:36.680 been, in the eyes of some, been desecrated by these mass Palestine protests.

00:13:44.100 For example, people putting up Palestine symbols on essentially what are, some of these are

00:13:51.880 monuments to those who have died.

00:13:54.800 And so leading up to this weekend, on Saturday, the 11th of November is Remembrance Day.

00:14:04.360 It's the same in the US, we call it Veterans Day.

00:14:08.120 There's, it's a solemn day of huge significance to the British public, given they sacrificed so

00:14:16.600 heavily in the world wars.

00:14:19.020 I think, you know, America is a much bigger country.

00:14:21.560 We've had larger waves of migration of people who didn't, whose ancestors didn't serve in

00:14:28.660 the world wars.

00:14:29.500 So for a lot of Americans, it can be kind of, you know, Veterans Day can be a bit disconnected

00:14:36.560 to them.

00:14:37.340 Whereas in Britain, it's, you have a lot of people in living memory and peoples whose

00:14:41.880 grandparents remember what the war time was like.

00:14:45.440 And on this day, it falls on a Saturday this year, and the Palestine protesters have announced

00:14:53.000 that they're going to go ahead with their so-called million man march.

00:14:56.520 They're busing in people from all around England to, for this cause.

00:15:01.540 Some of the organizers of the Palestine demonstration have links to Hamas and Islamist extremism.

00:15:10.420 Um, police did plead with the organizers for them to cancel the Saturday event, given that

00:15:17.360 it, it coincides with, um, celebrations in Central London, not celebrations, but moment

00:15:22.900 of silence in Central London, time to honor, uh, those who died in the war and sacrifice their

00:15:29.160 lives, um, for the nation.

00:15:31.960 Um, but the organizers refused.

00:15:33.540 It's going ahead.

00:15:34.320 Um, and their, their march route is going to lead them right at the end to target the

00:15:40.480 U.S. Embassy.

00:15:41.160 This is what they've officially announced.

00:15:43.780 So it, uh, things, uh, the atmosphere is a bit tense right now for the politicians in

00:15:51.040 London, given that you have potentially all these different factions, um, coming into Central

00:15:56.520 London.

00:15:56.800 Then you have, um, patriotic, conservative, uh, British people honoring, um, veterans.

00:16:05.080 Um, then you have Islamists and leftists and, uh, police in recent weeks have been really,

00:16:12.460 they've been unable to respond on the ground as these protests are happening because the,

00:16:16.940 the sheer number is just, uh, of people showing up.

00:16:20.480 It's too big for them to do anything.

00:16:22.480 Um, so they're not really able to control these crowds.

00:16:26.440 The British police have not been able to control the crowd.

00:16:28.760 I saw a, um, clip of a man who had posted on social media that, um, he didn't like all

00:16:35.140 the Palestinian flags going up and down the high street where he lived.

00:16:39.480 And he was arrested for that.

00:16:41.500 He was arrested basically on a hate crime.

00:16:43.540 Are you seeing a lot of hate crime allegations against British people who don't like this kind

00:16:49.780 of demonstration in their public spaces?

00:16:52.480 So the, um, the secretary for the home office, um, which would be the equivalent role of the,

00:17:00.560 uh, head of DHS, she's actually been very vocal in her criticisms of police.

00:17:05.560 She wrote a, a column this week that was published in the times, um, pointing out how the metropolitan

00:17:11.820 police, for example, during the 2020 BLM protests, which at times were violent in London, that police

00:17:18.520 took a really hands-off approach.

00:17:19.960 Whereas those who are protesting lockdown were arrested, tackled to the ground.

00:17:25.180 She brought up, um, how environmentalist protesters have been able to shut down the roads, um, and

00:17:31.120 do other criminal and illegal activities where police just sort of stand by.

00:17:35.680 And then she's brought up, um, again, how the Palestinian protesters have been able to do essentially

00:17:41.360 what they want while police, um, don't appear to respond.

00:17:46.380 And so she, she brought out what she viewed as an inconsistency in, uh, policing here.

00:17:52.720 Um, and depending on what cause the protesters are for, police may respond very harshly and

00:18:00.740 quickly or not.

00:18:02.100 And that has caused a big row actually, um, in, uh, among lawmakers right now, because, uh,

00:18:08.660 obviously politicians on the left said that she, she went too far in her criticisms, that 0.98

00:18:13.600 she should be, um, she should be sacked. 0.95

00:18:16.460 Um, but, uh, others are coming out, uh, to defend her.

00:18:20.240 Okay, well, thank you so much for filling us in on what's going on in London.

00:18:25.200 I know that we're all going to be anxiously watching what happens this weekend and especially

00:18:29.820 at the U.S. Embassy.

00:18:30.980 That's, that's pretty fascinating.

00:18:35.300 Today, you know, they, you talk about influencers.

00:18:37.860 These are influencers and, uh, they're friends of mine.

00:18:42.100 Jack Prasovic.

00:18:43.620 Where's Jack?

00:18:44.580 Jack.

00:18:45.620 He's done a great job.

00:18:48.000 Going up, close the border.

00:18:49.920 Yeah.

00:18:50.860 Do you guys want to close the border right now?

00:18:52.880 Yes.

00:18:53.160 Yeah.

00:18:54.720 Yahoo.

00:18:55.300 We closed the border and I think our, our favorite part is lower taxes and our gas.

00:19:00.560 Our gas needs to come back down.

00:19:02.460 What brings you out to see President Trump today?

00:19:04.980 Who wouldn't want to see President Trump?

00:19:06.640 I'm here from Charlotte, North Carolina.

00:19:08.600 Wow.

00:19:09.320 Charlotte, North Carolina.

00:19:10.380 What compelled you to come all the way from Charlotte?

00:19:12.660 It's a Trump rally and we have to get the truth out.

00:19:14.820 That's the only way we can save America.

00:19:16.460 Is this your first rally?

00:19:17.800 First rally, first time, best thing I've ever done in life.

00:19:20.660 What are some of your favorite Trump policies?

00:19:23.200 America first, build the wall, deport them all. 1.00

00:19:25.700 What are some of your favorite Trump policies?

00:19:28.280 Um, immigration, economy, education.

00:19:33.160 Oh, so many.

00:19:34.160 They need to close the border.

00:19:35.800 It's already 40 million illegal immigrants. 0.91

00:19:39.140 Militians. 0.56

00:19:40.260 Militians. 0.56

00:19:40.740 No illegal immigrants only. 0.98

00:19:43.380 They are militians.

00:19:44.640 They're coming around the world.

00:19:45.980 This is Libby Emmons with Human Events Daily and for Jack Posobiec.

00:19:52.000 We have a special guest coming to talk to us today, bringing some light to the show is

00:19:56.880 War Room's Jane Zirkle.

00:19:58.960 She was out in Hialeah in advance of Trump's rally this week and is here to tell us what

00:20:03.900 Americans are looking forward to and thinking about as we head full force into the election

00:20:08.420 season of 2024.

00:20:09.960 And before we get started, Jane, I just wanted to say happy birthday.

00:20:14.440 I know it's your birthday today and I hope you have a terrific one.

00:20:18.960 Thank you so much.

00:20:20.060 And yes, I was out in the blistering heat in Hialeah, Florida, but I was in great company

00:20:26.280 because I was surrounded by thousands of American loving patriots who were so excited to see

00:20:32.440 President Trump.

00:20:33.240 It was a really cool day because not only like many there was their first rally, it was

00:20:38.660 my first Trump rally as well.

00:20:40.760 So it was a true treat and getting to speak to all the attendees was just was just so awesome.

00:20:47.240 So what were some of the things that the attendees were telling you about why it is

00:20:51.520 that they are looking forward to bringing Trump back into office?

00:20:56.580 Well, it really goes back to the policies that launched him into stardom back during his

00:21:01.420 2016 campaign, national security, the border.

00:21:05.100 Those issues are at the forefront of people's minds right now.

00:21:08.540 And I mean, can you blame them?

00:21:09.920 We have literal terrorists crossing our southern border right now.

00:21:13.760 We have upheaval in the Middle East like we never saw under President Trump.

00:21:18.000 President Trump brought peace.

00:21:19.540 He brought prosperity.

00:21:21.340 You know, gas prices were another major concern, like the clip showed, as the woman said at the

00:21:26.040 rally.

00:21:26.340 The economy, because people cannot make ends meet right now.

00:21:30.500 Food, inflation, it's absolutely out of control under the Biden regime.

00:21:35.160 And I think what was so important about this particular rally was its location in Hialeah,

00:21:40.540 Florida, in Miami-Dade County, one of the most influential counties in all of Florida

00:21:45.620 and in all of the nation when it comes to politics.

00:21:48.820 This was a majority immigrant community.

00:21:51.420 This was a majority Hispanic community.

00:21:54.840 And I think it was a really great representation of the diverse range that President Trump represents

00:22:01.160 when it comes to his supporters.

00:22:02.880 You know, it was really touching because while there was a language barrier with a lot of the

00:22:07.020 people who I spoke to at the rally, one of the things that they were able to get across

00:22:11.560 to me was that they loved President Trump.

00:22:14.080 They loved what he stands for.

00:22:15.680 They love freedom.

00:22:16.440 And they want to make America great again.

00:22:19.320 And it was really touching to connect with people, you know, who have a different background

00:22:23.760 than myself and come together around President Trump and supporting freedom and, of course,

00:22:28.960 making America great again.

00:22:30.900 So one of the things that I think is so interesting and is so different is when we see supporters

00:22:36.380 of some of the other candidates, a lot of what we hear are the really negative things.

00:22:41.200 And they say that they want their candidate to come in and deal with all these really negative

00:22:44.480 things.

00:22:45.280 But one thing that's different about Trump supporters is a lot of what you hear is hope.

00:22:49.700 You hear a lot of hope for the future, a lot of hope for, you know, Trump's potential second

00:22:55.100 term in office.

00:22:56.640 What is it that gives, do you think, that gives people so much hope about a Trump presidency?

00:23:04.260 I think they saw the shining beacon of light that he was back in 2016 and 2020.

00:23:09.300 And he has a lot of unfinished business.

00:23:10.980 He does, and they really think that it's time for him to come back, especially with the

00:23:15.700 current state of the country under Joe Biden.

00:23:18.440 Things have gotten that bad that I think so many people, you know, it's brought a lot of

00:23:24.040 new supporters over to him.

00:23:25.400 And we've seen that through the polling.

00:23:27.040 You know, he's surging with Hispanic voters.

00:23:28.860 He's surging with the black community.

00:23:30.960 And that was definitely represented at this rally Wednesday night.

00:23:35.060 And another big announcement that happened during the rally, the mayor of Hylia announced

00:23:39.820 that right outside the stadium that the event was held at, President Trump Avenue will be

00:23:45.520 created right outside of the rally location.

00:23:48.180 So that was a big highlight from the rally the other night.

00:23:51.140 And it got thunderous applause.

00:23:53.620 The attendees absolutely loved that.

00:23:56.060 It was very clear that that is MAGA country, that Florida is MAGA country.

00:24:00.500 And, of course, across town, the presidential debate was taking place.

00:24:04.660 And I use that term very loosely because, of course, most of these people are barely pulling

00:24:09.340 in at a few percent.

00:24:10.640 And President Trump is just absolutely dominating the field.

00:24:13.840 And it's very clear that President Trump was the winner of the debate Wednesday night.

00:24:19.460 Yeah, I think that he has actually won the last couple of debates, even though he hasn't

00:24:24.160 been on stage.

00:24:25.720 The way that they take...

00:24:26.540 Isn't that amazing?

00:24:27.300 Yeah, it's so amazing.

00:24:28.100 You know, he does that.

00:24:28.900 Yeah, it's the way that they take aim at him instead of really getting their own points

00:24:34.560 across or advocating for their own perspective is really fascinating to see.

00:24:38.900 It's like they know that they can't get out from under Trump's shadow.

00:24:42.600 So they just stand there in it trying to shine a flashlight around, but they're not able to

00:24:47.840 make much light.

00:24:49.780 A lot of the people that you were talking to out at the rally, there were a lot of immigrants

00:24:53.640 that you spoke to who were saying that they were really interested in bringing Trump

00:24:58.380 back to office.

00:24:59.420 We hear a lot from the Democrats and the Biden administration that, you know, that immigrants

00:25:05.540 aren't going to like Trump.

00:25:06.800 They seem to be bringing so many illegal immigrants into the country specifically for the purpose 1.00

00:25:11.240 of turning them into Democrats, you know, that kind of thing.

00:25:14.540 What is it that you think makes Trump so appealing to immigrants, you know, specifically Hispanic

00:25:19.660 immigrants who are still coming into this country at record numbers?

00:25:23.320 You know, whether you're an immigrant or whether you were born here in the United States, it

00:25:28.180 doesn't matter.

00:25:28.840 We all we all bleed red.

00:25:30.740 We're all under the red, white and blue.

00:25:32.680 And we all want the same things for our families.

00:25:34.800 We want safety.

00:25:35.840 We want security.

00:25:36.700 And with an open border under Joe Biden, we just don't have that right now.

00:25:41.440 We want peace.

00:25:42.320 You know, families do not want to see their children shift off to to foreign wars and foreign

00:25:47.440 battlefields.

00:25:48.440 And under President Trump, there was no new wars.

00:25:51.000 And people remember that, you know, it was obviously not too long ago that we had peace,

00:25:55.860 that we had low gas prices.

00:25:57.440 And people want that back.

00:25:59.160 They want to be able to live the American dream.

00:26:01.960 And they see that in President Trump.

00:26:04.720 We've also seen in some of the recent poll numbers out from Time Sienna, we saw that a lot

00:26:10.760 of young Americans have real dismay when it comes to Joe Biden.

00:26:16.140 They're just not interested in what he has to say.

00:26:19.720 And their approval rating for him has really gone down.

00:26:23.100 Why do you think that is?

00:26:25.740 I think they're getting a taste of reality.

00:26:27.840 You know, it's unfortunate.

00:26:28.860 They sort of they got what they they voted for.

00:26:31.880 And it's a tough lesson to learn, especially when you're young.

00:26:34.980 But when you have to face reality, when you have to pay your bills and you actually have

00:26:38.860 to function in society and you don't just get the government to pay for everything for

00:26:42.840 you, you realize that the economy is actually incredibly important and you need economically

00:26:47.900 sound candidates like President Trump.

00:26:51.900 So as far as young voters go, we've seen a lot over the past years where young voters

00:26:58.600 specifically are going out to vote for Democrats.

00:27:02.100 Do you think that there is a likelihood that young voters will come out and support Trump

00:27:08.340 despite all of the negativity?

00:27:10.500 I know that you're you know, you're definitely part of the younger generation.

00:27:15.180 You know, you probably see your peers and colleagues.

00:27:19.180 What is it that they are thinking?

00:27:20.700 Do you think that it's possible to for Trump and for for the Trump campaign to bring in new

00:27:26.960 and younger voters and not just the same?

00:27:30.520 What was it like?

00:27:31.120 Seventy two million people that voted for him during the last election.

00:27:34.940 What is what is the chance there?

00:27:36.500 What are we looking at?

00:27:38.420 I think of any GOP candidate, it's clear that President Trump has the broadest range and

00:27:44.060 strongest ability to reach voters from all age, all ages and all backgrounds.

00:27:49.380 And we've seen him do it before.

00:27:50.880 He draws in, you know, new support like no other Republican candidate has ever done before.

00:27:56.380 You see these massive crowds that he draws in.

00:27:59.260 And at this rally in Hialeah, every group was represented.

00:28:02.620 And I think that if there's one man who can do that, it's 100 percent Donald J. Trump.

00:28:07.540 The time is now to bring him back.

00:28:09.660 And we need him now more than ever.

00:28:12.740 Well, I think that's I think that's so interesting when we see the big demographic that is going

00:28:19.260 for Trump, especially when we see in polling numbers that Biden is losing support among Hispanics.

00:28:25.500 He's losing support among black Americans and even in the states.

00:28:30.520 What was it?

00:28:31.060 It was like five swing states where Trump was definitely ahead.

00:28:34.180 And one of them, which is, I think, like the widest state of all six, is the one where Biden

00:28:39.520 was doing well.

00:28:43.020 It's so fascinating.

00:28:44.500 I'm so interested to see what's going to be coming in 2024.

00:28:48.460 If you had to guess who Trump should pick as a VP, we just saw some talk yesterday that

00:28:55.880 he would potentially consider Tucker Carlson.

00:28:59.120 Do you think Tucker Carlson would be a good choice?

00:29:01.060 And if not, who do you think Trump should pick as his running mate?

00:29:05.920 You know, I really don't want to speculate on the matter.

00:29:08.520 I trust President Trump's judgment.

00:29:10.440 I'm sure whoever gets the wonderful opportunity to serve as vice president will do a fantastic

00:29:15.940 job.

00:29:16.640 And I think President Trump, you know, has several different options when it comes to that.

00:29:21.980 So I'm very excited to see how that plays out.

00:29:24.780 But I do have to say, as far as the other candidates currently go, especially with what's going on

00:29:29.500 with the weaponization and the lawfare that's being waged against him, their time would be

00:29:34.000 much better spent putting their efforts to support Donald Trump through this and stand

00:29:39.080 up against the deep state apparatus that is really waging a witch hunt against him, rather

00:29:44.440 than running for president and polling at these incredibly low numbers.

00:29:48.360 Do you think that they should have another GOP debate, or do you think they should just scrap

00:29:52.020 it from here on out?

00:29:54.360 I think they're a big waste of time.

00:29:56.140 I think the real main event was the rally in Hialeah, and I don't really think anybody

00:30:00.100 cares what these other people have to say right now, because we have way bigger issues that

00:30:05.060 we need to be focusing on.

00:30:06.740 What's your take on the RNC currently?

00:30:10.380 You know, I think that there's some work to be done there.

00:30:12.780 I think we definitely need to take a look and examine and see why aren't we winning key

00:30:17.020 races that honestly we should be.

00:30:18.920 We there's always room for improvement, and I think with Donald Trump in 2024, there's

00:30:23.920 a great opportunity to take a lot of these local races to the next level.

00:30:28.340 So I feel like it's important we build on Trump's momentum going into the next election.

00:30:34.520 Thanks so much, Jane.

00:30:35.280 I really appreciate your taking the time to give us your perspective today.

00:30:39.160 And I hope that maybe we can maybe we can see you out at the next rally as well.

00:30:43.860 I'd love that for sure.

00:30:45.480 Thank you.

00:30:46.060 Thank you so much.

00:30:46.900 We'll be back in just a few minutes with Amy Eileen Hamm, a nurse from British Columbia,

00:30:53.260 who has an awful lot to say about free speech and the reality of biology.

00:30:58.360 This is Libby Emmons for Human Events Daily and for Jack Posobiec.

00:31:14.320 I have a great guest up for you now.

00:31:16.720 Amy Eileen Hamm is a Canadian nurse and mother in Vancouver, British Columbia. 0.88

00:31:20.880 She's the founder of the group Canadian Women's Sex-Based Rights.

00:31:24.080 She's written for the Postmillennial, and she got in trouble with the College of Nurses

00:31:27.840 and Midwives for holding the belief that biological sex is real, that men cannot become women, 0.58

00:31:34.180 and that women are entitled to sex-degraded spaces in washrooms, rape crisis centers, homeless 1.00

00:31:40.080 shelters, and anywhere else women are vulnerable and at risk from male violence. 0.99

00:31:43.940 This week in her disciplinary hearing, she actually had to testify that women don't have penises. 1.00

00:31:50.440 She had to say that out loud in a court before a judge, and the craziest part about that is 0.99

00:31:55.000 that the judge, the cross-examining attorney, and the College of Nurses and Midwives don't

00:31:59.700 agree with her.

00:32:01.000 In short, Amy does not believe that trans women are women.

00:32:03.740 And because of this, she may lose her ability to practice nursing. 0.99

00:32:09.060 Hi, Amy.

00:32:09.860 Thank you so much for joining us today.

00:32:11.880 I really appreciate it.

00:32:13.700 Hi, Libby.

00:32:14.240 Thank you so much for having me.

00:32:15.900 So this is basically the craziest thing that I've heard about in some time.

00:32:20.480 You're a nurse. 0.96

00:32:22.020 You understand the human body.

00:32:23.640 You understand anatomy intimately.

00:32:27.400 You're very familiar with how bodies work.

00:32:29.700 That's your entire job.

00:32:31.600 You're a woman.

00:32:32.560 You're a mom.

00:32:33.360 You know what women's bodies are. 1.00

00:32:35.640 And here you are facing a disciplinary hearing from your professional body in British Columbia

00:32:41.540 as to the reality of biological sex.

00:32:45.660 How did this all start?

00:32:49.340 So, and I mean, first, I would just say, even the fact that I know that men aren't women, 0.71

00:32:56.380 you don't need a nursing education to know that. 0.97

00:32:58.580 It's a very clear reality to everyone up until, you know, 10 years ago.

00:33:06.000 But the way that this started was around 2016, 2017, I started to talk about gender ideology and write about it.

00:33:17.420 And I got a lot of public criticism in Vancouver, which is very woke.

00:33:22.220 And it wasn't until 2020 that I co-sponsored an iHeart JK Rowling billboard.

00:33:29.780 And it really caused a stir.

00:33:34.060 And some people complained, both to my employer and to my regulator, the BC College of Nurses and Midwives,

00:33:41.300 saying that I, because I put up this billboard that said, I heart JK Rowling, I'm transphobic,

00:33:46.720 I'm a danger to trans or gender diverse patients, and I should not be able to have a nursing license. 1.00

00:33:54.780 And these were not people that you knew that complained about you.

00:33:58.100 These were just random people.

00:34:00.880 Yeah, one person identified themselves in the complaint and is someone I've never met,

00:34:08.280 never worked with, never treated as a patient, never heard of.

00:34:11.520 The other person was granted anonymity and still has that to this day because apparently they are afraid of me.

00:34:19.600 So in essence, I have had no chance of facing my accuser, which has, you know, at this point,

00:34:27.420 this legal process has been happening for more than three years.

00:34:31.600 And during this whole time, you have been forced to defend yourself against the British Columbia College of Nurses and Midwives.

00:34:39.800 And you've had to retain a defense attorney to state your case.

00:34:43.720 You've had to bring in witnesses to discuss this matter.

00:34:48.040 And you're not actually the only Canadian who's been facing this.

00:34:51.520 We saw recently in Toronto, Jordan Peterson, a psychologist there,

00:34:56.040 and someone who is now with the Daily Wire and very outspoken.

00:34:59.840 He was censured, essentially, by his professional body

00:35:02.920 and is being forced to be re-educated if he wants to keep his license.

00:35:09.360 And all of this, again, was with anonymous complainers who said that his tweets,

00:35:15.820 his social media posts, made them feel bad or something like that.

00:35:19.720 And so they took it up with his professional body.

00:35:22.920 One thing that Jordan Peterson has been very outspoken about, of course, is compelled speech.

00:35:27.180 And that certainly came up in your hearing this week.

00:35:31.520 At one point, the attorney who was essentially prosecuting you,

00:35:35.840 who was cross-defending you, cross-examining you,

00:35:38.780 was trying to get you to use the woke terminology about males who identify as transgender.

00:35:47.500 Can you tell us a little bit about how that went down?

00:35:50.300 I thought that was fascinating.

00:35:51.980 And your refusal also was great.

00:35:54.260 Yeah, yeah, so that's right.

00:35:56.740 During the, while I was being cross-examined by the BC College of Nurses and Midwives lawyer,

00:36:04.360 Barbara Finley, she halted me at one point when I used the term trans-identified male,

00:36:12.000 which I had been using throughout my testimony,

00:36:14.680 and sort of threw a fit and said,

00:36:18.900 I shouldn't be allowed to say trans-identified male. 0.90

00:36:21.900 Well, it's misgendering.

00:36:23.940 The correct term is trans-woman. 0.61

00:36:26.100 And she wanted the panel, and she wanted me to be told by the panel that I had to use that language.

00:36:33.700 So then my lawyer made a response to that,

00:36:39.840 essentially talking about compelled speech and the fact that it's not discriminatory to refer to males who believe or want to believe that they're females as trans-identified males.

00:36:53.280 So then the panel stood down, I think, for 15 minutes or so, and they came back.

00:37:00.400 And thankfully, they ruled that I didn't have to use that language, but they strongly encouraged me to use it so that I essentially wouldn't hurt the feelings of trans-identified males.

00:37:12.860 And as you said, I just continued to use that language, trans-identified males or males, throughout the hearing,

00:37:20.340 because it's reality-based and the least confusing way to refer to the people I'm talking about who are males invading women's spaces.

00:37:31.280 And this is, of course, despite the fact that there were no trans-identified males there.

00:37:38.780 Correct.

00:37:39.340 So they wanted you to change your language and capitulate your position in order to appease the feelings of people who were not there and had absolutely nothing to do with your case at all.

00:37:52.980 Exactly.

00:37:54.040 And the lawyer cited the D.C. Human Rights Code from my province, which protects gender identity, but she said that I was being discriminatory.

00:38:05.980 However, the Human Rights Code applies to people who are getting services at a business or are employed.

00:38:13.620 So essentially, as you said, there's nobody there that I could be discriminating against.

00:38:19.200 And I mean, arguably, it's also insane to say that it's discrimination to call a male a male.

00:38:24.100 This is also from an attorney, Barbara Finley, who you mentioned, who demands that her name be spelled in lowercase, because this is how she's fighting oppression or something?

00:38:34.820 Like, that's her thing?

00:38:36.980 It's unclear how she's fighting oppression, but apparently not using any capital letters is, you know, it's something about white supremacy, colonialism, and what she's doing to fight all of these things.

00:38:53.460 Capital letters are white supremacists, I think.

00:38:55.620 I think it's the whole thing. 0.79

00:38:59.020 Capital letters are probably also transphobic. 0.95

00:39:01.420 At one point, she said, part of your reason for wanting, and you've been very clear about your perspective, part of your reason for wanting to exclude trans women from women's shelters is that cis women, which she has no problem using a term that, you know, probably many there also find offensive, cis women might be triggered by having a woman who has a penis in that space. 0.98

00:39:21.740 And you replied, and you replied, and this is something that I actually, you're my hero for this, you said, women do not have penises. 0.98

00:39:30.280 And again, I think that rape shelters should be segregated on the basis of sex. 0.99

00:39:35.120 And later you tweeted about this, you said, did I really have to testify under oath that women do not have penises? 0.99

00:39:43.040 Your attorney was a woman, the judge was a woman. 0.98

00:39:46.420 Ms. Finley, presumably, despite the lowercase letters, is also a woman. 1.00

00:39:51.740 Do you have any doubt that they are ignorant of the fact that women don't have penises? 0.99

00:39:59.040 What is really going on here? 0.99

00:40:01.660 Yeah, I mean, everybody knows who is male and who is female.

00:40:06.580 They're participating in a fiction.

00:40:10.240 They're captured by a crazy ideology that is very harmful to women and children.

00:40:16.780 And, you know, I sort of laugh about it as we're talking about it now.

00:40:22.460 But when it's happening and when you're actually under oath and having to state such a basic reality, it honestly feels abusive.

00:40:30.880 And I've tweeted about that, too.

00:40:32.580 It's very abusive to haul a woman through years and years of legal proceedings. 1.00

00:40:37.800 And to make me say things like, lesbians don't have penises. 1.00

00:40:42.100 Males identifying as lesbians are heterosexual men. 1.00

00:40:46.360 And it's insanity. 0.99

00:40:48.760 Everybody knows this.

00:40:50.400 And it's such a farce to have to be stating this on the record.

00:40:56.460 Yeah, this is pretty much one of the most clown world things that I've ever seen happen.

00:41:02.500 It's not peculiar, however, in Canada for this kind of thing to keep going on.

00:41:06.660 And we will be back in just a minute or two to talk more to Amy about this case and about the madness of what's going on with gender in Canada. 0.83

00:41:16.020 This is Libby Emmons with Human Events Daily and for Jack Posobiec, I'm back today on this Friday with Amy Eileen Hamm, a nurse out of British Columbia who is facing a disciplinary hearing.

00:41:36.160 It's been going on for years over the fact that she does not believe men are women and believes fully that women have the right to sex segregated spaces where they will not be at risk of being violated by men, such as in washrooms, shelters, specifically rape crisis shelters and places like this, where in Canada, if you are a man and you say you're a woman, you have access to any of these spaces.

00:42:01.860 This has been going on in Canada, Amy, for quite a while now.

00:42:04.800 We've seen it in not just in the rape crisis centers, homeless shelters.

00:42:10.900 We've seen that.

00:42:11.580 We've seen women feeling so unsafe with men in homeless shelters that they have had to leave themselves.

00:42:18.360 And they've been told that they are transphobic for not wanting to share rooms with men in these spaces.

00:42:25.360 And this is something, as we've said, this has been going on in Canada for quite some time.

00:42:29.260 You have a man leading the country, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who probably claims to be a feminist.

00:42:34.800 Yet what he's doing across the board is putting women at risk.

00:42:39.320 There's been a lot of pushback against his policies to allow men into women's prisons.

00:42:44.980 We've seen that.

00:42:46.080 A lot of protests with regard to that doesn't seem like it's going to be changing anytime soon.

00:42:50.580 And you were just telling me during the break about Bill C-4, which really seeks to criminalize health care providers that don't automatically affirm gender.

00:43:01.440 Can you tell us about that and the impact on nursing and on medicine?

00:43:06.700 Sure.

00:43:07.320 So Bill C-4 is called an anti-conversion therapy bill.

00:43:13.100 And it's not anti-conversion therapy at all, however.

00:43:17.700 It does ban gay conversion therapy, which is really not something that happens in Canada anymore.

00:43:24.360 But it also talks about banning conversion therapy on the basis of gender identity.

00:43:31.080 And it's in the criminal code.

00:43:33.320 It's so health care practitioners who don't immediately affirm the stated gender of any patient.

00:43:39.600 It could be a two-year-old saying that they identify as the opposite sex.

00:43:45.300 If you're a psychologist, psychiatrist, nurse, anyone, if you don't immediately affirm that under the criminal code of Canada, you could be subject to imprisonment.

00:43:58.420 So you can imagine that that would have an enormous chilling effect on any sort of health care practitioner that would want to explore mental health issues or see what's driving any patient or any child to feel uncomfortable in their body.

00:44:16.840 And they're essentially being forced by the government to just immediately say, OK, yes, you're trans.

00:44:22.640 Let's let's set you on this medical pathway.

00:44:25.100 And it really changes the entire definition of conversion therapy, doesn't it?

00:44:30.940 Because conversion therapy, the concept of conversion therapy used to mean if you have a teenager, for example, who says that she's a lesbian or a young man who says that he's gay, the rule was you can't force them to try and have a different sexual orientation.

00:44:47.500 That would be considered conversion therapy.

00:44:49.880 But this is really a much different situation.

00:44:52.860 This says that if you don't affirm a conversion, then that is conversion therapy, right?

00:45:01.680 I mean, it's very confusing.

00:45:03.160 Can you break that down?

00:45:05.140 It's it doesn't make sense because, as you said, on the one hand, if you try to change someone's sexual orientation, you can see how that is conversion therapy.

00:45:15.660 However, there's an irony because there are places in the world and even some pockets in the United States where people and parents specifically will use they will trans their gay children because essentially they would rather have a trans child than a gay child.

00:45:39.480 Yeah, this happened with the founder of Mermaids in the UK, which is a charity that supports supposedly LGBTQ, but really it's just about the T. 0.86

00:45:48.200 The founder, Susie Green, spoke at length in a TED talk about how her husband did not want a gay son.

00:45:54.760 So they transitioned their son going as far as to take him to Thailand for vaginoplasty surgery when he was only 16.

00:46:01.700 And eventually that TED talk was pulled from YouTube.

00:46:05.400 You can't I mean, we recorded it at the Post Millennial and put it up on our Rumble channel because we thought this kind of thing should be preserved.

00:46:11.340 But you can't really find it out there. They just took it down.

00:46:14.880 They don't want us to know that that's really what's going on.

00:46:18.520 Of course. And it's the same thing in Iran where homosexuality is illegal, that you see the highest, highest rate of transgender identified males in the world because it's safer for them to be transgender than it is for them to be homosexual. 0.77

00:46:37.260 And just with about a minute or so left, I wanted to talk about this gender unicorn.

00:46:42.560 I know that you're familiar with the gender unicorn. We've talked about it before.

00:46:46.760 And this is essentially this this graphic. Do we have the graphic up that that and you've talked about this at your trial as well, that you are not a mind body dualist.

00:46:57.520 I agree with you on this one. You know, this basically says that gender is some sort of soul that is entirely separate from the body. 0.96

00:47:05.600 Yeah. A lot of this is very harmful and it comes to kids in Canada with just a minute left.

00:47:11.540 Can you tell us the harms of this gender unicorn and its implementation in school?

00:47:15.900 I mean, it's clearly extremely confusing to children who are just learning about the differences between male and female when they're younger to now be told that your biological reality is less important than a feeling you might have in your head about gender.

00:47:34.060 And that is always to supersede your gender and that you can change your sex based on how you feel. 0.91

00:47:40.420 I frankly think that it's abusive towards children.

00:47:45.060 And this is the sort of thing that you see taught in schools to children, you know, right from kindergarten.

00:47:52.640 And it's just it infuriates me.

00:47:57.840 And I have children going to public school and I have to be very vigilant to see what they're hearing because there are people that are in this gender cult and they control all of the institutions in Canada.

00:48:12.860 They're they're indoctrinating children.

00:48:15.540 And it's yeah, it's frightening, to be honest.

00:48:19.240 It's very frightening.

00:48:21.000 Yeah, I I'm so terrified by this and I'm so glad that you are speaking out and you're literally putting everything on the line to do that.

00:48:29.140 Thank you so much, Amy, for joining us.

00:48:31.260 I really appreciate what you've had to say today.

00:48:34.280 And we're definitely going to be following the rest of this this hearing with interest.

00:48:39.680 Thank you.

00:48:40.600 Thank you so much for having me, Libby.

00:48:42.480 Thank you.

00:48:42.980 And I just wanted to give a thank you to Jack Sobik for handing over the reins of his Human Events Daily to me for the past two days and to the other guest hosts this week.

00:48:53.860 Thank you so much.

00:48:55.280 It's been really a lot of fun and we'll be glad to see you coming back next week.

00:49:00.460 I hope that you've had a lovely week off.

00:49:12.980 I hope that you've had a lovely week off.

00:49:17.860 I hope that you've had a lovely week off.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - November 10, 2023

EPISODE 602： FREE SPEECH UNDER FIRE： THE DOUGLAS MACKEY AND AMY HAMM CASES

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