Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 626： SUPREME COURT COULD OVERTURN TRUMP INDICTMENTS, FREE J6 DETAINEES

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00:00:57.340 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:01:05.760 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:01:12.360 This is Human Events with your host, Jack POSOBIC.

00:01:15.300 Deliver us from evil.

00:01:16.520 U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan is heading to Israel to talk about another

00:01:20.620 ceasefire, getting more hostages released, and expanding humanitarian aid.

00:01:25.160 The United Nations is demanding a humanitarian ceasefire, and ABC's Tim Pulliam has more.

00:01:31.120 I'm going to give you some hard facts.

00:01:33.580 So here's what entrapment is.

00:01:34.820 You can't cherry pick.

00:01:35.660 I'm not cherry picking.

00:01:36.540 If I may finish, Abby, if I may finish, Abby, I'm not cherry picking.

00:01:39.780 To the contrary, to the contrary, you know who cherry picked?

00:01:42.620 You know who cherry picked?

00:01:43.180 And say that that is what happened on January 6th.

00:01:44.420 The government cherry picked 12 hours of footage when there was 200 hours of footage.

00:01:48.600 Cherry picking was the government, not me. 0.96

00:01:50.600 Release the whole thing.

00:01:51.540 The Supreme Court says it will hear appeals that could upend hundreds of charges stemming

00:01:57.220 from the Capitol riot, including against former President Donald Trump.

00:02:00.960 Now they're saying, let's rush it to the Supreme Court.

00:02:03.180 We've got to rush it, rush it, rush it.

00:02:05.040 They could have started three years ago.

00:02:07.360 And now they're saying, we have to go immediately before the Supreme Court.

00:02:11.000 This thing would have all been over with two years ago.

00:02:13.220 But they waited and waited and waited, and then they saw I was running, and they waited,

00:02:18.340 and then they saw I was hot, and they filed lawsuits.

00:02:21.940 Mr. Biden's counsel and the White House have both argued that the reason he couldn't come

00:02:26.440 for a deposition was because there wasn't a formal vote for an impeachment inquiry.

00:02:31.520 Well, that's going to happen in a few hours.

00:02:33.420 And when that happens, we'll see what their excuse is then.

00:02:36.100 What they're trying to do is they're trying to kill me, knowing that it will be a pain 0.59

00:02:42.840 greater than my father could be able to handle.

00:02:47.020 From a presidential perspective, is there any possibility that the president would end

00:02:51.720 up pardoning his son?

00:02:53.200 No.

00:02:54.160 I just said no.

00:02:57.540 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily, live from Phoenix,

00:03:02.600 Arizona.

00:03:03.120 We're out here for AmericaFest, which is going to be starting in just a few days' time.

00:03:07.540 Today is December 14th, 2023.

00:03:10.120 Anno, Dominique.

00:03:11.160 And no, today is not my birthday, even though Wikipedia, for some reason, says that it is,

00:03:16.160 and I see everybody is going on there to Wikipedia, and they're all wishing, which I appreciate,

00:03:20.180 of course.

00:03:20.860 Thank you, guys.

00:03:21.580 Really appreciate it.

00:03:22.780 Saying it's my birthday.

00:03:23.760 But it's actually a great example of how the left or any left-of-center organization like

00:03:29.280 Wikipedia, which we know is controlled by the Reddit left, is completely dominated by

00:03:34.220 Reddit neckbeards and atheists, and they will lie about even the little things. 0.77

00:03:39.660 Even the little things. 0.92

00:03:40.800 Talking Point Memo had this weird lie the other day in an article saying that I held a secret

00:03:45.320 meeting before the New York Gala with Matt Gaetz, Kash Patel, and myself at a hotel off-site

00:03:53.500 from the New York Gala.

00:03:56.040 Now, we didn't hold that meeting.

00:03:57.900 If we did, that would have been based, and I'd be more than happy to.

00:04:01.300 I saw them both at the gala.

00:04:02.640 I spoke to them both at the gala.

00:04:04.300 But no, we didn't actually hold a meeting there.

00:04:05.960 I was there with Amanda Milius, Tanya Tay.

00:04:08.460 Tanya and Amanda were getting their hair done together.

00:04:10.720 I was getting my suit ready, getting my tuxedo.

00:04:12.700 You know, the kind of stuff you do before you're going to an event.

00:04:16.280 And Tanya and Amanda shared hairdresser. 0.97

00:04:19.200 So, you know, it's not a big conspiracy!

00:04:21.380 It's, you know, they look at this stuff and it's like, oh, so we're all staying in the

00:04:25.600 same hotel?

00:04:26.300 Why?

00:04:26.600 Oh, because it's in Manhattan and it's across the street from Cipriani's, and so we're all

00:04:30.520 staying there.

00:04:31.340 Oh my God, they're making Trump a dictator!

00:04:35.500 This is the meeting where it all goes down.

00:04:38.740 Well, I'll tell you what else is going down.

00:04:40.660 The Trump indictments are going down.

00:04:42.820 And the January 6th cases because the DOJ, Merrick Garland, has just played a huge mistake.

00:04:52.740 He's just made a move that might destroy not only the Trump indictments, but actually free

00:05:00.880 the January 6th detainees because it would overturn their convictions.

00:05:06.840 And it's put everything on hold.

00:05:08.320 Julie Kelly will be with us later in the show to walk through all of it, but basically it

00:05:12.800 comes down to whether or not President Trump and the January 6th protesters were attempting

00:05:18.600 to obstruct Congress, whether or not they were planning to obstruct Congress or their

00:05:24.480 actions constituted obstruction.

00:05:26.640 It didn't.

00:05:27.780 None of them intended to.

00:05:29.140 There was no conspiracy to.

00:05:30.600 And yet Jack Smith, the insane and deranged individual who is running this inquisition

00:05:38.180 for Merrick Garland, has put this all together.

00:05:40.320 So here's the thing.

00:05:42.180 Some of those January 6th defendants actually got the obstruction charge taken off when it

00:05:48.840 came to their individual cases.

00:05:50.640 But Merrick Garland and the DOJ said, no, that's not good enough.

00:05:53.700 We need that obstruction charge in because we need it to go after Trump.

00:05:57.640 So they appealed it to the next level.

00:05:59.740 And then at the next level, they put it back.

00:06:03.100 So now it goes to the Supreme Court.

00:06:07.760 And because it's going to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court that's now stacked because

00:06:13.220 it's the Trump court of actual originalist jurists, judges who are actually going to look

00:06:19.040 at the intent of our founding fathers and the framers when they wrote the thing in the

00:06:23.300 first place, they're going to look at this thing and Jack Smith is going to get laughed

00:06:27.360 out of court and all the never Trumpers who'd lined up behind DeSantis because they said

00:06:32.860 that Trump is going to be convicted and he can never be president.

00:06:35.780 It's over.

00:06:36.920 It's all over for you.

00:06:39.640 It's all over.

00:06:40.800 So I'll tell you right now, the only option for you left, bend the knee, bend the knee

00:06:47.060 and maybe we'll find a place for you.

00:06:49.260 Douglas Mackey joins us next.

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00:07:25.120 All right, Jack Posobiec back here, live Human Events Daily.

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00:08:49.340 Very excited to bring in our next guest.

00:08:52.700 It's the first time we've had him on the show, but I guess you could say I've known him through

00:08:57.220 Twitter for a bit of a minute now.

00:08:59.660 He's someone that we've certainly talked about.

00:09:01.120 We've covered front and center because his case and his story are front and center to

00:09:06.520 everything that's going on in our republic from 2016 all the way to today, how we've

00:09:12.120 lost our freedoms.

00:09:12.860 We've lost our rights as Americans.

00:09:15.760 And by the way, the story of someone who has lost so much but never been willing to back

00:09:22.820 down and always been willing to fight back.

00:09:25.420 Ladies and gentlemen, the great Douglas Mackey, the most dangerous meme lord in the entire

00:09:31.280 world, joins us here, Human Events Daily.

00:09:33.600 Doug, how you doing, man?

00:09:35.560 How you doing?

00:09:36.380 Great to be here.

00:09:37.520 Thanks for having me.

00:09:38.160 If you could give us a legal update.

00:09:47.220 So dramatic turn of events.

00:09:49.180 You at one point thought that you were going to be reporting in just a couple of weeks,

00:09:52.400 if I remember correctly, it was right around the Iowa caucuses, to federal prison, just

00:09:56.440 like Owen Schroyer, who got out in about 47 days.

00:09:59.720 You were facing seven months, but that has now been lifted.

00:10:03.260 Walk us through what you were facing and walk us through what happened.

00:10:07.940 Yeah, thanks, Jack, for having me.

00:10:09.680 So, yeah, I was sentenced to seven months in federal prison, in my case, for posting a

00:10:17.040 meme, essentially.

00:10:18.320 And we moved to be released on bond pending appeal.

00:10:25.220 Back during the sentencing, that request was denied by the district court judge.

00:10:29.120 We went to the Second Circuit Court and appealed, and they overturned the decision.

00:10:34.660 So I was granted bond pending appeal.

00:10:37.120 So I'm very grateful for that decision.

00:10:39.440 Basically, the judges in the Second Circuit Court ruled that we have a close or debatable

00:10:45.560 or substantial case to make.

00:10:48.780 So this is a very encouraging step.

00:10:50.760 And I really look forward to the Second Circuit resolving this appeal, potentially.

00:10:56.020 Or if we have to go up higher, we have to go to the Supreme Court.

00:11:00.080 Well, and so that means, and the real good news for all of this is that you can be home.

00:11:04.440 You were already going to be home for the Christmas holidays, for New Year's.

00:11:07.800 Now you're home indefinitely while this appeal stays out.

00:11:11.520 This, by the way, you know, for folks that have been tracking, this is the same situation

00:11:15.060 that happened with Steve Bannon.

00:11:16.960 Except in Bannon's case, it was originally ruled that even though he was sentenced to four

00:11:21.620 months for contempt of Congress, even though Hunter Biden, by the way, who ditched on Congress

00:11:26.540 yesterday, they haven't even voted to hold him in contempt.

00:11:29.640 Thanks, House Republicans, by the way.

00:11:31.140 You want to get on that, maybe do your jobs.

00:11:33.440 But in Bannon's case, the judge, and I sat through his trial in D.C., the judge allowed

00:11:39.180 him to stay out on appeal while his appeal was appending throughout.

00:11:43.160 So that's currently why he has been able to continue doing his show, continue doing War Room.

00:11:47.300 Your judge didn't do that, though.

00:11:48.800 You, you know, I want to be very clear, this was not like a violent crime.

00:11:54.640 This was not some, you're not some career criminal.

00:11:57.020 You're not some dangerous threat.

00:11:58.660 But maybe you are a dangerous threat in a sense to certain quarters of the country in

00:12:03.800 a political sense.

00:12:05.320 Do you think that that was the overtone of why they threw the book at you so hard and

00:12:09.940 why they gave you something like this, a seven-month prison sentence for a crime that,

00:12:14.200 by the way, has never been charged before in terms of someone going to jail for a meme?

00:12:22.680 Let me just say, I have my suspicions.

00:12:25.500 This case does seem to be political.

00:12:28.280 There are thousands of people spreading these kind of jokes or satirical tweets or even just

00:12:35.120 trying to get people riled up by sharing these kind of election jokes.

00:12:38.980 And no one else is being prosecuted.

00:12:41.460 And this is unprecedented.

00:12:42.380 Reuters and The New York Times both reported that this is a novel case, that there was

00:12:49.040 great debate within the Justice Department to even bring this case.

00:12:52.400 And it wasn't until after Biden won the election in 2020 that they decided to press forward with

00:13:00.720 this case once they got rid of the Trump people in the Judicial Department. 0.52

00:13:05.380 So seven days after Biden was inaugurated, there was a knock on my door, eight to ten law

00:13:10.360 enforcement agents. I had no idea what I was being arrested for.

00:13:13.840 I only found out later when they took me out of leg irons at the federal courthouse and gave me the

00:13:19.620 criminal complaint. And then they're saying, you're being charged because you posted these memes

00:13:23.960 four years ago. So it was really unbelievable.

00:13:26.560 And it was really surprising that we weren't granted bond, to be quite honest with you.

00:13:31.700 But this decision by the appeals court just shows that this case is winnable.

00:13:36.880 We can win this case. I can win this case.

00:13:38.980 But I can't do it by myself.

00:13:40.520 I need everybody to jump in here on the appeal.

00:13:44.120 Go to memedefensefund.com and donate to this appeal because it's very expensive in the federal

00:13:49.160 criminal court.

00:13:49.820 I have excellent attorneys. And this case is not even just about me.

00:13:53.900 This case is about the American people because this case is about our liberties.

00:13:57.740 This case is about a chilling effect on free speech where people are not going to share their

00:14:01.900 thoughts or even joke around with their friends if they think that eight to ten law enforcement

00:14:06.940 agents are going to knock on their door four years later.

00:14:10.420 And not only that, this case is also this statue is being used against President Trump.

00:14:16.140 So this case is very important. It's about abuse of the statute.

00:14:20.640 It's about political persecution.

00:14:22.660 So everybody go to memedefensefund.com and pitch into this to fund this appeal.

00:14:27.320 You must go to memedefensefund.com, memedefensefund.com.

00:14:31.080 And it's about Doug, but it's not just about him because it's about everyone's right to freedom

00:14:36.760 of speech and to be free of persecution.

00:14:38.980 Look, they did this to him.

00:14:41.280 Who's to say they can't do this to you tomorrow because they've set a precedent.

00:14:45.020 They are trying to get a precedent on the books that people can be criminally prosecuted for

00:14:49.440 this.

00:14:50.020 And we know this is part of what I've called the three-tier system of justice in this country

00:14:54.260 where Trump and Trump supporters face one tier that is higher than everyone else, where

00:14:59.880 they will twist laws around just like the NKVD used to do during the Soviet Union in order 0.70

00:15:05.720 to put us in leg irons.

00:15:07.660 And as you say, actually, and as people go to memedefensefund.com, I know people are going

00:15:12.240 there right now signing up for this.

00:15:14.300 But Doug, walk me through that again, because you said eight to 10 federal agents showed up

00:15:19.120 to your family home.

00:15:21.800 Right.

00:15:22.280 Well, it was eight to 10 law enforcement agents.

00:15:24.160 It was actually four FBI agents plus the local law enforcement.

00:15:28.800 I mean, they just, you know, those guys are great local law enforcement, but they just,

00:15:33.120 they go along with the FBI on these kind of arrests.

00:15:35.260 But eight to 10 law enforcement agents, we have a warrant for your arrest.

00:15:40.020 I said, for what?

00:15:41.760 I had no idea what it was for.

00:15:43.260 They wouldn't tell me.

00:15:44.180 They just put me in handcuffs, put me in the SUV and drove me away to federal court.

00:15:49.720 And I had to sit in a holding cell waiting for my arraignment because of COVID delays.

00:15:54.460 So I put my mask on and go sit in front of a camera to talk to the judge on Skype with

00:16:00.320 a federal defender.

00:16:00.980 So it was quite an experience.

00:16:03.680 But something I want to point out, too, is this case, I was arrested for something that

00:16:09.500 happened in 2016, just four years later from the Twitter files.

00:16:13.580 An FBI agent that probably a lot of your viewers are familiar with, Elvis Chan, was communicating

00:16:19.080 on Twitter.

00:16:19.840 They were going to serve process on everybody who made a joke about the election.

00:16:25.000 So you think you have a right to privacy in this country?

00:16:27.340 If you make a joke about the election, they're going to serve process on you.

00:16:30.980 They're going to subpoena you.

00:16:32.600 They're going to dig through all your tweets, all your direct messages, all your text messages.

00:16:37.020 They're going to dig up all your finances to see and try to determine your intent, to

00:16:42.420 see if you were joking or if you were trying to really trick people out of voting.

00:16:46.120 That's extremely dangerous for this country.

00:16:48.640 We can't have it, to be honest with you.

00:16:50.240 Well, and that's exactly it.

00:16:54.060 So they've already decided, and this is, by the way, this is the same guy who went to

00:16:57.300 Twitter and had them, I asked Elon Musk about this recently, and about, he was the guy who

00:17:01.920 went to Twitter in 2020, got them to censor the Hunter Biden tapes, or the Hunter Biden

00:17:05.880 laptop.

00:17:06.480 And you're saying that he was also focused on subpoenaing everybody who was using Twitter,

00:17:12.360 and this is why they were going after Trump's account.

00:17:13.900 We know Jack Smith has already done this, to go after everyone who followed, liked, or

00:17:17.540 retweeted a Trump post, and then potentially going through all of this.

00:17:21.020 So that's how you get your list of Trump supporters.

00:17:22.740 Then you whittle that down to all of their posts about the 2016 election, and then they

00:17:27.140 go in, what did you mean by this post?

00:17:29.160 Why did you word it this way?

00:17:30.900 What was your intent?

00:17:32.160 How did you, I've had a little bit of experience with that, nowhere near your level.

00:17:37.240 But just real quick, we have one minute before the break.

00:17:39.300 I want to hold you over, before they knocked on your door, all right, you're sitting there,

00:17:44.080 you're living your life, it's been years in the past.

00:17:47.780 What went through your mind when that knock on the door came and you heard, law enforcement,

00:17:52.700 we have a warrant?

00:17:54.620 Well, to be honest with you, there's a great scholar who wrote a book called Three Felonies

00:17:59.480 a Day about the federal government coming after you if they want to, and the way that they're

00:18:04.120 able to abuse these statutes to make the arrests they want.

00:18:07.480 So on the one hand, it's unbelievable.

00:18:10.180 But on the other hand, you think they could dig up things and put together prosecutions

00:18:15.260 in extremely creative ways.

00:18:17.400 So even if you're a completely law-abiding citizen who doesn't do anything wrong, well,

00:18:22.840 that doesn't really matter.

00:18:24.240 I was almost not even surprised that it was happening to me in this country seven days after

00:18:29.200 Biden was inaugurated.

00:18:30.320 That's kind of a sad state.

00:18:32.000 That's kind of a sad commentary on where we're at as a country.

00:18:34.780 And people have to remember that when Biden was inaugurated, all of Washington, D.C. was

00:18:40.420 occupied under military occupation, the National Guard, 25,000 troops, the fencing that went

00:18:47.200 up, the razor wire around the Capitol.

00:18:49.160 I remember this.

00:18:50.220 They wouldn't show it on the news.

00:18:51.480 I showed it.

00:18:52.180 I got in trouble for filming some of the military emplacements around our Capitol.

00:18:56.520 Nobody actually attended Biden's inauguration.

00:18:59.640 It was the first president in years that was inaugurated in private like this, rather than

00:19:04.200 having a public situation.

00:19:05.360 Douglas Mackey is our guest.

00:19:06.840 He's walking through the rise of the regime.

00:19:09.900 You talk about influences.

00:19:11.420 These are influences.

00:19:13.340 And they're friends of mine.

00:19:15.680 Jack Prasovic.

00:19:17.160 Where's Jack?

00:19:18.120 Jack.

00:19:19.120 He's done a great job.

00:19:20.880 All right.

00:19:24.420 Jack Prasovic back here live.

00:19:26.420 Human Events Daily.

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00:20:36.440 We're continuing our interview with Douglas Mackey, the most dangerous meme lord in America,

00:20:42.580 apparently.

00:20:43.740 And we're all going to memedefensefund.com.

00:20:46.160 Go to memedefensefund.com right now and sign up, not just to defend Doug, but to defend

00:20:53.000 the right to meme, the right for freedom of speech and freedom of expression in our country,

00:20:57.520 because it is currently the regime that is cracking down on that.

00:21:01.360 And this is something that's kind of been bigger.

00:21:03.600 So, Doug, you know, I was around there on Twitter in 2016 with you, with a lot of people,

00:21:09.320 you know, Cernovich, et cetera, ALX, you know, all these names, a lot of us are kind of still

00:21:14.880 around on Twitter.

00:21:15.840 Other of us got banned.

00:21:16.800 You got banned originally.

00:21:18.320 Then Twitter goes from where it was in 2016, where it was totally free, to this interregnum

00:21:25.120 period of just dark censorship, mass censorship, really pushed by Vijaya, who was empowered

00:21:31.620 by Jack Dorsey.

00:21:32.540 And now Elon Musk comes in, and Elon Musk actually said to me when I interviewed him

00:21:38.060 a couple of days ago, that if the FBI came to him and asked him to censor content that

00:21:42.920 he considered legal content, that he'd rather go to prison himself than actually take anything

00:21:48.960 down.

00:21:49.320 So a huge sea change.

00:21:51.000 My question for you, and as we're defending memes, we're going to memedefensefund.com,

00:21:55.680 what is it about the power of a meme and the power of the distribution method for people

00:22:01.640 being able to share these things freely that poses such a threat to the people in power?

00:22:08.280 Great question.

00:22:09.260 So when we're talking about memes, really what we're talking about is the democratization

00:22:14.940 of political cartoons.

00:22:17.160 Each meme is just a political cartoon, essentially.

00:22:20.540 Now, imagine how difficult it would be back in the day to share your own political cartoons.

00:22:26.460 It would be borderline impossible unless you're a professional.

00:22:28.880 You would have to, you know, draw it up, make copies of it, pass it out.

00:22:34.360 I guess you could also say pamphleteering back in the day.

00:22:37.580 And also in communist countries, they had same as that.

00:22:40.760 Thomas Paine, common sense.

00:22:43.620 Exactly, exactly.

00:22:44.920 And in communist countries, underground literature and copying and sharing of underground literature,

00:22:51.160 same as that.

00:22:51.760 So memes are only as powerful as the message that they convey.

00:22:56.020 And they're essentially just political cartoons.

00:22:58.740 And they ridicule, in a lot of cases, powerful people.

00:23:03.400 That is why they hate these memes, because it used to be, to ridicule powerful people,

00:23:08.240 you'd have to be a professional getting your political cartoons into the newspaper.

00:23:12.780 Or you'd have to be pamphleteering, which, you know, there's limited spread of that.

00:23:18.420 So this is essentially just democratization, where you can spread your own memes,

00:23:23.820 your own political cartoons for free.

00:23:26.580 Not only that, it's very easy to make your own if you want, and the best rise to the top.

00:23:31.880 So this is why it's so dangerous to the powers that be.

00:23:39.020 Exactly right, because you're taking dissent.

00:23:41.400 You're taking a political expression.

00:23:43.640 You're using the power of humor.

00:23:45.160 And you're using the distribution networks of social media to get that out.

00:23:48.660 And it's so incredible that you mentioned that, because what you just said there about pamphleteering.

00:23:55.920 So Thomas Paine, he writes common sense in, you know, the 1770s.

00:24:00.180 This goes viral, but it was only able to go viral because of the publishing presses and

00:24:06.300 the printing presses, Ben Franklin in Boston and Philadelphia, and then others, that they

00:24:10.560 were able to get this out.

00:24:11.580 And then people are just sharing it out in taverns and stuff like this.

00:24:14.760 So it's the distribution network plus the ability of someone to say something.

00:24:19.760 What you just said in the communist countries in Russia, samizdat in Russian, literally is

00:24:25.260 translated as the word self-publication.

00:24:28.180 And samizdat is like, I'm doing something myself.

00:24:31.340 So self-publication in samizdat is actually synonymous with dissent and political dissent

00:24:39.220 and these political dissent dissident writings.

00:24:41.580 The ability that Twitter gave us in 2016 to disintermediate the mainstream lies, the same

00:24:47.820 mainstream lies that in Soviet Russia were referred to as pravda, meaning the truth.

00:24:51.960 This is how bad things got.

00:24:56.480 But because social media gave us the same tools that all of them did, the same way the

00:25:02.380 printing press gave the patriots of 1776 that actually took this country and instituted 0.54

00:25:08.860 this country in the first place, it really, to me, draws a direct parallel to between what

00:25:15.200 you were doing and really what everybody's doing when we're posting memes and we're getting

00:25:18.700 the narrative out there.

00:25:20.340 And I guess I would have to ask you, what do you think about, so obviously you were doing

00:25:24.700 that under Twitter 1.0, then we had sort of Twitter dark.

00:25:27.980 Now we have Elon's X.

00:25:30.080 What are your views on the moves that Elon has taken in terms of freedom of speech when

00:25:34.060 it comes to X?

00:25:34.640 I think it's very encouraging if you're an American, you believe in First Amendment and

00:25:40.460 freedom of expression.

00:25:42.000 It's very encouraging to have an open platform where sort of the best ideas can rise to the

00:25:47.120 top.

00:25:48.100 And I like what he's done with the fact checking as well, the sort of community notes, distributed,

00:25:53.380 democratized fact checking that people can disagree with.

00:25:57.260 They can fight amongst themselves over what they think is true.

00:26:00.580 That is the spirit of America.

00:26:02.240 We don't have a top-down Ministry of Truth style information system.

00:26:07.940 And we don't want that, quite frankly.

00:26:10.000 But that is what's been going on in this country the last couple of years, where you have government

00:26:15.500 and non-governmental organizations attempting to create a sort of third-party Ministry of

00:26:23.600 Truth.

00:26:24.320 And with an arm's length away from the federal government, where they can say, well, Biden's

00:26:29.380 not exactly quite telling us what to do.

00:26:31.440 So we're not actually a Ministry of Truth.

00:26:34.040 So this is the spirit of America.

00:26:36.700 And this is what the courts have always ruled, that the process of democracy is rough.

00:26:43.240 It is messy.

00:26:45.080 And the government's job is not to step in and say, this is true.

00:26:48.980 This is false.

00:26:49.720 That's just not what we do in America.

00:26:52.940 And I think it's really dangerous.

00:26:54.860 And I'm hoping that the courts, and I'm encouraged that the courts are probably going to step in

00:27:00.560 here and say, this is not America.

00:27:02.560 So let's see what happens.

00:27:04.140 I'm very encouraged so far by the Second Circuit Court's decision, which, by the way,

00:27:08.520 was issued by a panel of judges that were appointed by all kinds of different presidents.

00:27:14.400 Obama, Biden, also President Trump.

00:27:18.800 So this is a very encouraging step.

00:27:20.920 And look, we have separation of powers for a reason.

00:27:23.620 I think that the courts need to step in.

00:27:26.160 And if they don't, that's going to be sort of a sign that we've crossed the Rubicon.

00:27:31.980 Well, I think, and that's what we're going to be talking about when Julie Kelly joins us

00:27:34.940 in a minute here, because this is where finally some of these cases on from January 6th,

00:27:39.880 the Trump case, it's going up to the Supreme Court, and you're finally going to see the

00:27:43.960 Supreme Court, I believe, and I think a lot of people are now kind of reading it this way.

00:27:48.540 A lot of legal experts and analysts are saying the Supreme Court's going to step in

00:27:52.360 and really pump the brakes, honestly kind of slap down Merrick Garland and Jack Smith

00:27:57.940 on all of this.

00:27:59.020 And by the way, you know, just, and I'll say this, right, because, you know, I remember

00:28:04.040 the, you know, text your vote meme when it first came out.

00:28:07.380 I remember the Draft Our Daughters, I posted Draft Our Daughters like a million times,

00:28:10.920 I'm sure, in 2016.

00:28:12.860 So, you know, come at me with that.

00:28:14.320 But what people don't understand is the reason that text your vote became satirical.

00:28:21.040 The satire here is that Democrats were the ones that were pushing even back in 2016 for

00:28:27.200 stripping all integrity from the voting process, stripping all integrity from our elections.

00:28:33.300 That's what you were making fun of.

00:28:34.960 The fact that they were switching around all of our election processes, and that's exactly

00:28:39.280 what you actually predicted.

00:28:41.000 So, Douglas Mackey actually predicted what would happen in 2020 when they took away.

00:28:46.880 Remember, all of these plans were in place long before COVID.

00:28:49.600 They just, it was HR1, and they used COVID to implement this when it came to the mail-in

00:28:55.260 ballots, universal mail-in ballots, ballot drop boxes all over the place, the ability for

00:29:00.600 these mules to run around and collect them, that's essentially the true element of your

00:29:06.420 meme was the fact that the Democrats were actually pushing in this direction.

00:29:10.040 And what you were doing as, you know, Rush Limbaugh used to say this, you were illustrating

00:29:14.040 absurdity by being absurd.

00:29:15.760 It's just the most basic fundamental tenet of satire.

00:29:19.140 It was absurd.

00:29:21.420 That's a very important element, what you're saying, and that's lost on a lot of people.

00:29:26.300 Which actually brings me to an important element of this prosecution, which is venue.

00:29:30.820 This case was brought in the Eastern District of New York, which is Brooklyn, Queens, Staten

00:29:36.700 Island, and Long Island.

00:29:37.580 Even though nobody that they called a co-conspirator, including myself, had any connection to the

00:29:44.440 Eastern District of New York.

00:29:45.700 So essentially what they're doing is saying, you posted a meme elsewhere, or you conspired

00:29:51.740 with others, that is what they allege, to post a meme elsewhere.

00:29:55.360 We can drag you to any venue in the country.

00:29:59.220 We can drag you to Wyoming.

00:30:00.640 We can drag you to the most conservative state.

00:30:02.560 We can drag you to San Francisco if we want, and put you on trial before 12 jurors, and they're

00:30:10.180 going to decide whether or not you intended to trick people, or whether this was commentary.

00:30:15.700 Whether this was satirical, or even whether this was just sort of a provocation to get

00:30:21.620 people riled up, to sort of provoke the Democrats.

00:30:24.860 Because when Democrats look at this meme, they actually think that, oh, our voters would

00:30:30.020 actually fall for this.

00:30:31.340 The funny thing is, at least from my perspective, I never would have expected anybody to fall

00:30:36.720 for that.

00:30:37.180 And that's exactly what I testified at trial.

00:30:39.060 So part of this appeal that is almost as important as the First Amendment is venue, which is directly

00:30:45.200 in the Constitution, because back during the Revolution, they were kidnapping people and

00:30:51.280 bringing them to England and putting them on trial for revolutionary activities.

00:30:56.340 And they brought you, and we're just about out of time here, and they brought you, by the way, to just

00:31:02.940 blocks away from the Hillary Clinton campaign headquarters, where Douglas Mackey, he is a, they're trying to

00:31:09.580 make him a political prisoner.

00:31:11.180 He's certainly a political dissident.

00:31:13.140 Last time, man, Merry Christmas.

00:31:15.260 We are praying for you constantly.

00:31:16.820 We're praying for your family.

00:31:18.540 We're praying for everything that's going on.

00:31:20.060 Tell us one more time what that website is.

00:31:22.060 Merry Christmas, Jack.

00:31:24.320 Memedefensefund.com.

00:31:25.400 And by the way, Elon Musk, it's tax deductible.

00:31:28.760 Tax deductible, Elon.

00:31:30.380 Get in there, buddy.

00:31:31.280 We know nobody likes paying taxes.

00:31:33.000 Get in there.

00:31:33.800 I'll have to talk to my accountant about that as well.

00:31:36.480 Julie Kelly joins us around the break.

00:31:39.540 Where is Jack?

00:31:41.700 Where is Jack?

00:31:44.040 Where is he?

00:31:45.320 Jack, I want to see you.

00:31:48.980 Great job, Jack.

00:31:50.340 Thank you.

00:31:50.880 What a job you do.

00:31:52.540 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:31:53.960 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.

00:32:02.180 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back.

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00:33:20.860 So, we have got Julie Kelly on here. 1.00

00:33:24.780 Now, Julie, you've been running around telling us that everything's on hold

00:33:28.820 because the obstruction charge is going up,

00:33:32.180 and they've done this in a case that doesn't directly involve Trump,

00:33:35.940 but it actually affects all of these cases

00:33:38.080 because the vast majority of the Jancic's defendants,

00:33:41.760 as well as, in some cases, prisoners already,

00:33:44.560 and the president himself have all been charged with obstruction or conspiracy to commit obstruction.

00:33:49.280 So, if the Supreme Court knocks this down,

00:33:52.260 this throws a monkey wrench into all of it, into absolutely all of it.

00:33:56.820 And yet, I was listening to, I'm not going to name names,

00:33:59.260 but I was listening to a Never Trumper podcast yesterday,

00:34:01.920 and they started saying that, oh, this is all hype, it's all bluster,

00:34:06.400 Supreme Court's not going to do that, Trump's still going to jail,

00:34:09.200 the Jancic's are going to stay in jail. 0.99

00:34:10.980 So, what's your response to that, Julie?

00:34:14.000 Well, it's interesting because the Never Trumpers have intentionally really ignored

00:34:19.000 the January 6th issue and the holding of political prisoners.

00:34:23.480 So, I'm not sure who that individual is,

00:34:25.940 but I don't see any real detailed coverage, you know,

00:34:30.100 that people like you and I are performing.

00:34:32.920 So, I'm not sure who that is.

00:34:35.820 But to that person or anyone believing that this March 4th trial date in Washington

00:34:40.600 against Donald Trump for the events of January 6th is going to stick,

00:34:45.980 I simply point them to Judge Tanya Chutkin's order that was issued yesterday,

00:34:50.620 where she confirmed that because the immunity issue is on appeal right now,

00:34:55.720 all of the pretrial deadlines now are suspended.

00:34:59.160 The entire pretrial calendar leading up to this trial that's now supposed to be

00:35:05.240 three and a half months away or two and a half months away,

00:35:08.300 now is all suspended.

00:35:09.720 So, I'm not sure how, even if you, the Supreme Court waved a magic wand

00:35:15.280 or the D.C. appellate court did, somehow the immunity issue,

00:35:19.040 a very complicated issue, never before addressed by the Supreme Court,

00:35:23.200 is resolved in time.

00:35:25.260 They still have all of these deadlines outstanding.

00:35:27.740 So, whatever delay that there is, they're going to have to keep backing that up.

00:35:31.180 So, I think even you saw legal experts on the left admit that the March 4th trial date,

00:35:38.720 in addition to Judge Chutkin, and now the Supreme Court taking up the 1512C2 count,

00:35:43.880 which represents half of Jack Smith's criminal indictment.

00:35:47.200 And that's the obstruction count, right?

00:35:49.140 That's the obstruction of an official proceeding count, yes.

00:35:52.340 So, there are a lot of things on Jack Smith's plate right now.

00:35:58.140 His work is about to be reviewed by the Supreme Court.

00:36:02.480 Is that basically what's going on?

00:36:04.200 His work and the judge's work and all the prosecutors that you have been coming on this show

00:36:08.380 and blasting for almost three years now

00:36:12.100 is now about to finally face a real review at the Supreme Court.

00:36:17.660 It is.

00:36:18.560 And this review won't really be related to Jack Smith's indictment per se,

00:36:23.060 but it will relate to DOJ's interpretation intentionally misinterpreting the language in this statute

00:36:30.660 that was passed in 2002 in the Sarbanes-Oxley Act in the post-Enron-Arthur Anderson accounting scandal.

00:36:38.760 This has to do with tampering with evidence or witnesses.

00:36:42.340 But what this DOJ has done is weaponized it,

00:36:45.380 intentionally misapplied the language there

00:36:48.520 to make people who were in the Capitol, at the Capitol,

00:36:52.500 allegedly disrupt or were responsible for the joint session then recessing that day,

00:36:58.960 that somehow the joint session of Congress that day

00:37:01.900 to look at the electoral college count,

00:37:05.080 that that's an official proceeding.

00:37:07.040 Well, the intention of this statute related to criminal investigations by Congress.

00:37:11.700 That was not an investigation, as we know.

00:37:13.780 So the justices will have to sort out a couple of issues,

00:37:17.740 the interpretation, the definition of official proceeding,

00:37:21.720 whether what happened on January 6th, that rises to it.

00:37:24.700 And that's key to Jack Smith's indictment,

00:37:27.960 because he is accused of Donald Trump of obstructing that official proceeding.

00:37:33.760 Precisely.

00:37:34.460 And so, Julie, what I want to...

00:37:35.500 Right, so it's all interconnected, I guess, is what I'm saying.

00:37:37.740 Yeah.

00:37:37.940 So what I'd like to do, and I heard you do this earlier,

00:37:40.880 and walk us through a little bit, and we have a couple of minutes before the break,

00:37:43.820 walk us through how it actually was these separate Gen 6 defendants

00:37:49.980 that brought us up to this and decisions that were made at the lower court,

00:37:55.080 but then also a huge mistake, really,

00:37:57.700 that was made by Merrick Garland in appealing this to the Supreme Court.

00:38:02.160 Right.

00:38:02.940 So 15 judges on the district court in Washington have upheld this 1512C2.

00:38:08.100 There have been dozens of motions to dismiss it in a lot of cases,

00:38:12.660 and every judge, except for one, upheld the count.

00:38:16.460 The one judge who dismissed the count against these three defendants

00:38:19.960 is Judge Carl Nichols, a Trump-appointed judge.

00:38:23.240 So he dismissed the count.

00:38:25.380 Department of Justice, Matthew Graves, the U.S. attorney,

00:38:27.780 the GC U.S. attorney, went back, asked him to reconsider.

00:38:30.840 He again dismissed the count.

00:38:33.240 That's when the Department of Justice appealed Judge Nichols dropping that charge

00:38:39.380 in these three cases.

00:38:41.920 So it's really the Department of Justice's responsibility,

00:38:45.640 or they're culpable for bringing this to the Supreme Court

00:38:48.460 because they demanded this appeal.

00:38:51.380 The appeal ruling that came down in April, a three-judge panel,

00:38:55.240 that's usually how it goes,

00:38:57.000 that ruling was what one judge called splintered

00:39:00.080 and really resulted in three different opinions

00:39:02.840 as to the applicability of 1512C2.

00:39:06.120 So that's how then one of these defendants

00:39:08.620 then brought it to the Supreme Court.

00:39:10.860 But it was DOJ appealing it,

00:39:13.860 not the defendants appealing it,

00:39:16.320 that got us where we are.

00:39:17.920 So a little delicious slice of karma there for DOJ.

00:39:21.860 Well, I'd love that.

00:39:23.440 And because what it really is,

00:39:24.680 what it represents, Julie,

00:39:25.520 is that even after so many people they've thrown the book at,

00:39:28.500 that they couldn't see the writing on the wall

00:39:30.740 as to what would happen if they appealed this to the Supreme Court

00:39:33.700 because they knew that the court now actually is backstopped

00:39:37.580 by originalist judges who actually care about our tradition,

00:39:41.100 our history, our text,

00:39:42.460 and want to know why the founders wrote the Constitution the way they did,

00:39:46.340 why our statutes are written, and why they are.

00:39:48.240 It's not some game anymore where they can twist words to mean whatever they want,

00:39:52.280 living constitution, living statutes.

00:39:54.080 No, all that's out of the window at the Supreme Court.

00:39:56.160 And they've made ruling after ruling in terms of this

00:39:59.580 that it feels to me as though they did this

00:40:03.220 out of just absolute petty resentment for the Jan 6 defendants

00:40:08.920 that they wouldn't even let three people slip away on these charges.

00:40:13.160 That's part of it.

00:40:13.980 But I think another part of it, maybe you know better than me,

00:40:15.800 another part of it was that they knew that if this was able to stand,

00:40:20.680 that it would throw some of these cases potentially into jeopardy.

00:40:24.220 So maybe they had no choice.

00:40:27.660 Well, I think, too, they've had their eye on using this statute against Donald Trump

00:40:31.600 since the very beginning.

00:40:32.960 Keep in mind, Jack, this statute was mentioned in the Mueller report.

00:40:37.180 This took up half of the Mueller report.

00:40:39.420 It was this whole second half of the report.

00:40:41.520 That's exactly right.

00:40:42.460 This is the obstruction statute that Andrew Weissman wanted the Department of Justice

00:40:47.760 to charge Trump with for allegedly obstructing the investigation into phony Russia collusion.

00:40:54.360 So they have wanted, they've been dying to get this charge against Trump.

00:40:58.160 So they were going to have, you know, now...

00:41:00.460 Weissman's been up there on MSNBC every day for five years,

00:41:03.660 you know, cheerleading for this. 0.99

00:41:06.460 That's right.

00:41:08.780 And so he finally got what he wanted.

00:41:10.900 And Jack Smith brought the 1512C2 and another count, 1512K,

00:41:15.520 conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding.

00:41:18.280 So that's how those two counts are related to now this Supreme Court review.

00:41:23.360 But, you know, now that it's up in the air, what does Jack Smith do next?

00:41:28.640 Does he drop those two charges and then supersede with other charges like seditious conspiracy?

00:41:33.960 So he's got a couple moves that he's going to have to make.

00:41:38.260 None very appealing at this stage.

00:41:40.540 But considering both the immunity issue and now the 1512C2,

00:41:45.780 his entire indictment really is at risk.

00:41:48.960 The entire indictment is currently at risk.

00:41:52.780 The Never Trumpers are in shambles.

00:41:54.780 They're coping and seething.

00:41:56.160 They're melting down as they're stuffing their faces with cookies and Christmas creams.

00:42:02.820 But no, folks, no.

00:42:04.480 The only cream is the one that rises to the top.

00:42:09.380 I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:42:14.160 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard Human Events Daily Live.

00:42:17.220 We're here in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:42:18.560 We're getting ready for America Fest, the largest gathering of patriots in the country.

00:42:22.700 It takes place this weekend in Phoenix.

00:42:24.640 And really, I'll tell you what it is.

00:42:25.940 I tweeted this this morning.

00:42:27.200 Charlie won't say it, but I will.

00:42:28.720 Charlie's not just building an event out here at America Fest.

00:42:32.140 We're putting forward the great replacement of the GOP establishment,

00:42:38.400 the great neocon replacement, you might call it.

00:42:41.980 Now, Julie Kelly, you were telling us during the break that,

00:42:45.360 and you gave us this warning, the Democrats are melting down right now.

00:42:49.520 They're in complete meltdown mode.

00:42:51.120 Heads are exploding on Capitol Hill over this.

00:42:54.020 They're actually now demanding that Clarence Thomas recuse himself from this decision.

00:42:59.580 Walk us through this.

00:43:01.140 Right.

00:43:01.880 So you already heard some Democrats and some in the media again call for Clarence Thomas

00:43:06.980 to recuse himself in any rulings or arguments related to the events of January 6th.

00:43:13.320 I believe that he already did recuse himself.

00:43:16.320 I believe perhaps in the John Eastman matter.

00:43:19.600 So you're going to see those calls being amplified because they believe that, of course,

00:43:25.100 he will be a certain vote to, number one, overturn DOJ's use of 1512 C2,

00:43:31.280 but also his interpretation or his opinion about whether or not Donald Trump is entitled to

00:43:38.600 presidential immunity and whether his impeachment for January 6th really is the equivalent of a criminal prosecution or a conviction already.

00:43:50.540 Of course, he was acquitted by the Senate, but that's one argument his attorneys are making is that he was already really charged and tried by the House for January 6th.

00:43:59.300 So they're going to be scrambling to do whatever they can to, number one, preserve the 1512 C2, the interpretation of that.

00:44:06.580 And then, of course, deny that President Trump has presidential immunity.

00:44:12.080 But, Jack, don't forget, we still have the classified documents trial.

00:44:16.500 That trial is scheduled for May 20th.

00:44:18.780 This is another reason why Jack Smith and Judge Chutkin are panicking and the Democrats.

00:44:23.920 If the March 4th trial date is moved back and Judge Cannon in Florida overseeing the classified documents case,

00:44:32.120 she is the polar opposite of Judge Chutkin, and she has called DOJ to task numerous times for misleading the court about what was involved in that case.

00:44:43.460 She already suspended last month all that that entire pretrial calendar because she argued to Jack Smith's team 0.99

00:44:52.820 the March 4th trial date could very potentially run up against the May 20th trial date, and what do we do then?

00:45:02.260 And Jay Brett, the chief prosecutor, had no answer, of course, but he did admit that there was a possibility they could overlap.

00:45:08.980 And she said, well, I'm suspending all the pretrial deadlines.

00:45:13.680 You're to come back on March 1st and give me an update about what's happening in the D.C. trial.

00:45:19.540 Well, I, for one, cannot wait to go to that hearing, just like I was in the last hearing with her,

00:45:25.480 to see how Jay Brett explains to Judge Cannon why that March 4th trial date very likely has been moved back.

00:45:34.620 And that then bounces the classified documents case, possibly, almost for sure, until after the election or even into 2025.

00:45:43.500 Well, that's really what this all comes down to here.

00:45:47.180 That's the whole ballgame.

00:45:48.480 Because if these cases, because of these pretrial motions, are then delayed because of these,

00:45:55.960 and now because of these decisions that we're all waiting on by the Supreme Court,

00:45:59.260 people have to understand no one has ever talked about the swift justice of the appeals process

00:46:05.280 or certainly Supreme Court process in the United States, that if these get pushed back until after the election,

00:46:11.260 the real, you know, the real $81 million question is, will any of these cases,

00:46:18.720 at least the ones at the federal level,

00:46:23.780 I don't think there's anyone that might still be in the cards here.

00:46:29.460 You broke up a little bit there, Jack.

00:46:31.140 I didn't hear your question.

00:46:32.660 I'm sorry.

00:46:33.480 Okay.

00:46:33.960 Do you think that, do you think that it's possible that all the cases at the federal level will be held after the election at this point,

00:46:39.900 if these things continue to drag on?

00:46:42.460 I think it looks more possible than it did a week ago,

00:46:45.660 simply because now the trial has been, the pretrial schedule has been suspended in Washington.

00:46:52.300 Even if they try to catch up quickly, the appellate court,

00:46:55.480 because remember, Jack Smith asked the Supreme Court to leapfrog over the appellate court,

00:47:00.020 but he also covered his basis and asked the appellate court in Washington to expedite the consideration of Trump's appeal.

00:47:07.880 So he's got kind of uncertainty in both.

00:47:11.120 But the appellate court has already said, okay, we're setting initial schedule.

00:47:15.800 Briefs are due the end of this month and then after the 1st of January.

00:47:19.720 They haven't even set an oral argument for this.

00:47:23.160 After an oral argument, it could be weeks or months before the appellate court comes down with the decision.

00:47:29.660 Of course, you've got two Biden appointees and one Bush appointee on that three-judge panel.

00:47:34.200 So the appellate court is stacked with Democrats and you see this in all of the panels.

00:47:39.820 But there's no way this matter, this very complicated, and again, a matter with long-term future consequences for this country.

00:47:49.860 If either, if the Supreme Court eventually decides that presidents are not immune from criminal prosecution,

00:47:57.600 even if they've been impeached for the very same matter, this is where we're going to go as a country.

00:48:05.660 Whatever president loses to a president of the opposite party,

00:48:10.960 that president's Department of Justice will open a criminal investigation.

00:48:15.940 This is going to be the cycle that we will see in America,

00:48:19.440 that we've seen in third world banana republics for, of course, ever. 0.99

00:48:23.020 And that's where we will be, unfortunately.

00:48:27.560 So that's why shame on Jack Smith for asking for a quick ruling on this for political reasons only

00:48:33.080 to keep the March 4th trial date, convict Donald Trump and get him in jail this summer.

00:48:38.760 He doesn't care about the long-term consequences of this country in a ruling like that.

00:48:43.320 He only cares because he's a Democratic Party mercenary and always has been,

00:48:48.100 is executing his marching orders to get Donald Trump before a Democratic jury,

00:48:54.160 before a Democratic judge, a quick conviction on bogus charges, and in jail this summer.

00:49:00.320 He tried to railroad Trump.

00:49:03.020 He tried to railroad American patriots.

00:49:05.960 He's railroaded numerous dissidents that are now sitting in prison,

00:49:10.960 and his case is the one that's actually coming off the rails.

00:49:16.480 Julie Kelly, it has to be said, this day may not have come if it was not for your work,

00:49:23.660 for your time, your effort, your passion, and all of the countless hours and late nights

00:49:28.540 that you've spent digging into this on the phone with sources.

00:49:32.260 Tell us where can people go to follow your information,

00:49:34.760 and I hope that you guys are taking a little bit of time this Christmas

00:49:38.660 to have a Merry Christmas with your family.

00:49:41.300 You too, Jack. Thanks so much.

00:49:42.680 Declassify with Julie Kelly.

00:49:43.940 That's where people can find all my work.

00:49:45.280 Merry Christmas to you and your beautiful family, Jack.

00:49:48.120 See you soon.

00:49:49.020 Thank you. God bless Julie.

00:49:50.060 Look, folks, you need to be celebrating.

00:49:52.040 You need to be Christmas maxing.

00:49:54.040 You need to be absolutely incorrigible.

00:49:57.280 Walk up to people, say, Merry Christmas.

00:49:59.100 Hey, buddy. Merry Christmas.

00:50:00.820 Hey, you, across the street.

00:50:02.500 Merry Christmas, buddy.

00:50:03.760 And somebody smacks you with happy holidays? 1.00

00:50:05.380 You know, you don't take any of that crap. 1.00

00:50:07.160 Merry Christmas. 1.00

00:50:08.160 Merry Christmas.

00:50:08.220 Merry Christmas.

00:50:08.300 Merry Christmas.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 14, 2023

EPISODE 626： SUPREME COURT COULD OVERTURN TRUMP INDICTMENTS, FREE J6 DETAINEES

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