Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 630： EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH TUCKER CARLSON

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00:01:51.560 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard Human Events Special Edition.

00:01:57.080 We are here sitting down with the one, the only, Tucker Carlson.

00:02:00.980 Tucker Carlson, welcome to Human Events.

00:02:02.480 Thank you, Jack.

00:02:03.220 It is an honor to be here.

00:02:04.200 We've been gossiping so much off camera that I know we're late.

00:02:07.600 You and me.

00:02:07.940 No, no.

00:02:08.680 We don't know.

00:02:09.620 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:02:10.820 I can't stop talking.

00:02:13.100 We'll talk about where the bodies are buried.

00:02:16.060 That's in the subscriber only.

00:02:18.140 Definitely.

00:02:18.500 So make sure you subscribe to the paid section, which we don't have, but if you can find the

00:02:23.540 paid section, which of course doesn't exist, that's what we'll talk about.

00:02:25.980 Perfect.

00:02:26.560 That's what, no, I don't know if you knew this, but I'll throw it out there that this

00:02:31.120 is the original Human Events.

00:02:33.460 We purchased it.

00:02:34.860 We actually brought back, remember the old magazine?

00:02:36.920 Very well.

00:02:37.520 Yeah, we went.

00:02:38.300 Reagan's favorite magazine.

00:02:39.140 Reagan's favorite magazine.

00:02:39.980 We went, and it's been through a couple of iterations, but it had been one of those institutions

00:02:47.520 sort of in D.C. that had never quite made the jump to digital.

00:02:52.020 And we saw it out there, and no one was using it really, and a group of people got together.

00:02:58.280 Originally, it was Raheem Kassam and a few others came in, brought it back.

00:03:02.540 We were resurrecting it.

00:03:03.640 We're bringing it back to the digital age.

00:03:05.380 Can you do the same to National Review?

00:03:07.040 Is that possible?

00:03:07.440 No, no, that goes straight in the grave, straight in the grave.

00:03:11.420 No, there will be no resurrection there.

00:03:13.100 No, but it's been amazing, and I just wanted to ask, did you ever read Human Events back

00:03:18.740 in the day?

00:03:18.760 Of course I did.

00:03:19.520 Yeah, I mean, I got to Washington as a high school student in 1985 when my dad went to

00:03:24.440 work for the federal government.

00:03:25.740 We moved from California to Georgetown, and it was pretty electric in a way.

00:03:31.140 Intellectually, the city, there was just a lot going on.

00:03:33.760 It was still pretty civil.

00:03:34.840 We were surrounded by Democrats.

00:03:35.660 We had a Democratic senator next door.

00:03:37.440 Totally nice.

00:03:38.420 You know, he's busy wrecking America, but he was very friendly.

00:03:40.760 It was just less partisan.

00:03:42.160 And there were magazines were big.

00:03:44.660 Like, that's where the conversation was taking place.

00:03:46.940 Right.

00:03:47.800 You know, the American spectator, I would say primarily, but also commentary, human events,

00:03:53.960 you know, just a whole bunch of New Republic even.

00:03:56.040 And so people read magazines and talked about the articles in, though.

00:03:59.860 I know I sound so incredibly old in saying that, but it's completely true.

00:04:03.760 And people would discuss magazine pieces.

00:04:05.620 And if you had a big-time magazine, I was a magazine writer, so I knew it.

00:04:08.940 If you had a big-time magazine piece, you know, people would talk about it at dinner.

00:04:11.920 And Human Events was in that rotation, for sure.

00:04:13.960 They used to say, so, yeah, everyone, it's kind of like the moniker, Reagan's favorite

00:04:17.700 paper, right?

00:04:18.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:18.520 Who knows that?

00:04:19.120 And the story goes that, so the Bushies, right, in the Reagan White House used to try to prevent

00:04:24.200 Reagan from reading a copy of Human Events.

00:04:26.980 Of course.

00:04:27.060 So his guys would go and, like, smuggle it in, kind of under the arm.

00:04:31.220 I know.

00:04:31.620 And then bring it in there, and he would read it and say, wow.

00:04:33.840 We just didn't get it at the time.

00:04:35.660 And I, I mean, I'll just admit it out loud.

00:04:37.580 I'll just say it.

00:04:38.640 You know, my family had a lot culturally in common with the Bushes.

00:04:42.060 Mm-hmm.

00:04:43.080 Weren't, like, intimate friends at all.

00:04:45.000 No, it was me.

00:04:45.380 You know, knew them.

00:04:46.200 Yeah.

00:04:46.340 But they were, you know, we just had a lot in common with them culturally.

00:04:50.400 You had the same magazines.

00:04:51.600 Right.

00:04:52.160 Right.

00:04:52.440 No, but, I mean, I just didn't.

00:04:54.440 But we were, like, pretty legit conservative in my family.

00:04:57.060 And they weren't at all.

00:04:58.380 And we just, I guess, didn't get it or something.

00:05:01.740 You know?

00:05:02.300 And George H.W. would show up, and he had just wonderful manners,

00:05:04.840 and he wrote thank you notes, and he wore grosgrain, you know,

00:05:08.180 watch bands and loved spaniels and, like, looked just like my family.

00:05:12.260 So, I mean, I just identified with him in a way that was non-ideological,

00:05:18.220 and I missed, I mean, I can't believe I'm admitting this.

00:05:20.900 I feel embarrassed.

00:05:21.600 But it's just true.

00:05:22.800 And I want to be honest.

00:05:23.680 I just missed, like, the degree to which they were subverting true

00:05:28.600 and important conservative impulses, not even ideological impulses,

00:05:31.760 but just like, hey, let's not wreck our country.

00:05:33.580 Yeah.

00:05:34.260 And they were not at all interested in the country at all.

00:05:37.920 And the father had participated, clearly participated,

00:05:41.060 in some of the biggest cover-ups in American history

00:05:42.820 that we should all be offended by, including the Kennedy assassination.

00:05:45.780 So how did I miss all that?

00:05:47.020 Well, because, I don't know, for those reasons that I mentioned.

00:05:50.680 Right, not reading human events.

00:05:52.840 Right.

00:05:53.260 Yeah.

00:05:53.580 But human events didn't miss it at all.

00:05:55.880 Human events doesn't miss anything.

00:05:57.240 And it's funny, though, because I'll see some people, they'll go,

00:05:59.960 oh, now that Posobiec is, you know, doing human events,

00:06:03.020 that he's turned the publication into this conservative, grassroots method.

00:06:06.600 Like, no, it's always literally been that exact thing.

00:06:09.020 Always.

00:06:09.940 Always.

00:06:10.580 And it was always counterculture in a nice way.

00:06:14.000 And, but the Bushes, man, they were, that was very insidious.

00:06:18.320 Oh, yeah.

00:06:18.820 They were the Obamas of the right, I would say.

00:06:22.520 It was a stealth operation.

00:06:24.180 And you didn't sort of feel it at the time.

00:06:26.100 It kind of came over you gradually.

00:06:28.760 And by the time you realized it was happening,

00:06:30.440 like, a lot of the things you loved were gone.

00:06:32.740 And all of a sudden, George W. Bush is admitting, you know,

00:06:35.220 giving China most favored nation status

00:06:37.180 and getting us involved in these wars

00:06:39.640 that had no benefit to the United States

00:06:41.460 and things like that.

00:06:42.680 And that was, like, they called it good and patriotic.

00:06:45.800 And, in fact, it was the opposite of both of those things.

00:06:47.700 The most favored nation status thing is crazy to me

00:06:49.360 because that comes right on the heels of Tiananmen Square.

00:06:53.340 Oh, I know.

00:06:53.980 Right?

00:06:54.220 So it's June 4th, 1989.

00:06:55.680 And we, you know, I talk about, I lived in China for two years.

00:06:57.480 So we talk about it all the time.

00:06:58.660 Speak Mandarin.

00:06:59.600 You know, that was my focus in the Navy.

00:07:00.820 You speak Mandarin?

00:07:02.020 Hui Dao.

00:07:02.380 Hui Chen Zolan Dao.

00:07:03.180 Whoa.

00:07:04.020 That's amazing.

00:07:05.360 Thank you.

00:07:05.820 Thank you.

00:07:06.060 So studied this a ton.

00:07:08.260 Studied the CCP.

00:07:10.180 And we, you know, it's like,

00:07:12.860 I see the way that the West responded

00:07:15.060 to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

00:07:17.500 And it's like, you are the demons.

00:07:19.740 You are evil.

00:07:20.640 You know, we will crush you.

00:07:21.540 We will sanction you.

00:07:22.560 You know, everything Russian is bad.

00:07:24.480 You know, the Moscow mule is now the Kiev mule,

00:07:28.300 whatever, right?

00:07:29.260 That's Kiev, by the way.

00:07:30.640 Oh, excuse me.

00:07:31.260 I'm sorry.

00:07:31.980 Freedom fighters pronounce it Kiev.

00:07:33.740 Do you have the lashing stick

00:07:35.060 or do I have to go up back?

00:07:36.280 It's also degraded.

00:07:39.200 But it's like, so you go back though

00:07:40.960 and you look at Tiananmen Square

00:07:42.660 and we did a whole series last year on this

00:07:45.160 and we talk about it a lot

00:07:46.100 and how it's like the response to Tiananmen Square,

00:07:48.860 well, why didn't we do that to the CCP?

00:07:50.800 The response to that is,

00:07:52.540 hey, let's sign trade deals.

00:07:54.900 I know.

00:07:55.240 And let's move all our manufacturing over

00:07:57.220 and let's screw over all the people,

00:07:59.600 like the working class in America

00:08:01.320 and take away all your wealth

00:08:03.660 and take away all your ability to generate wealth

00:08:05.860 and care for your families

00:08:06.820 and live on a single-payer household income.

00:08:09.880 And no, we're just going to build up China instead

00:08:12.340 and they cut these secret deals.

00:08:13.380 And I 100% believe that when George H.W. Bush,

00:08:16.840 as you say, he sends Scowcroft over there,

00:08:19.440 the National Security Advisor,

00:08:20.580 they sign a secret deal in Beijing.

00:08:22.560 Well, like the blood is still on the cobblestones, right,

00:08:25.260 of Tiananmen Square,

00:08:26.640 which I've been to many times.

00:08:28.340 And it was basically that.

00:08:31.660 It was basically that,

00:08:32.560 that you will become the factory of the world, right?

00:08:35.940 We will run, so the Bushes and that kind of tier,

00:08:39.040 you know, we'll provide the capital,

00:08:40.680 we'll provide the IP, we'll provide all of this.

00:08:42.680 We'll do the banking for your fascism.

00:08:44.500 Yeah, the banking.

00:08:45.280 And when they say,

00:08:47.960 what about the people in the middle?

00:08:48.860 I say, what about them?

00:08:50.180 Yeah.

00:08:50.420 You know, what about them?

00:08:50.980 Well, they hated them, actually.

00:08:52.240 And this is, this is basically,

00:08:54.880 you know, we talk about globalism, nationalism today.

00:08:56.620 I think that's kind of where the seeds

00:08:58.100 of the globalist system began.

00:08:59.440 Yes.

00:08:59.840 And I, and I, because I'm 54,

00:09:02.760 I, you know, I saw all of it

00:09:04.420 from a pretty close vantage

00:09:06.020 and I missed the significance

00:09:08.080 of virtually everything that was happening at the time.

00:09:10.240 I just didn't see it.

00:09:11.640 And I saw, you know, shadows of it

00:09:14.040 or outlines in some case,

00:09:15.300 but I could not put it together.

00:09:16.980 And I'll never forget, however,

00:09:19.140 the reaction when Pat Buchanan ran in 92

00:09:24.060 and then he won the New Hampshire primary in 1996.

00:09:28.000 And I was in an editorial meeting with Bill Kristol,

00:09:31.100 who's a very sinister, very short man,

00:09:33.600 who was running this magazine that I worked for at the time.

00:09:36.520 And he was like,

00:09:37.380 which was not human events for the record.

00:09:38.740 It was not.

00:09:39.000 It was called the weekly standard.

00:09:40.120 It's since out of business,

00:09:41.200 but the only good people worked there,

00:09:42.860 a lot of smart people.

00:09:43.880 Bill Kristol was not among them.

00:09:45.060 He was never smart.

00:09:45.920 He was like the least smart person there,

00:09:47.340 purely a nepotism hire because of his dad.

00:09:50.720 But he was panicked.

00:09:52.620 He was absolutely panicked about Pat Buchanan.

00:09:54.620 He dispatched me to write a series

00:09:57.740 of pretty tough pieces on Pat Buchanan,

00:10:00.160 which I dutifully did.

00:10:01.540 I realized later that I'd been completely used

00:10:03.960 by this weird little midget

00:10:05.520 and I apologized to Pat Buchanan

00:10:07.000 and I meant it and I will do it again today.

00:10:09.980 He accepted my apology and we became friends.

00:10:11.420 But the point is,

00:10:12.880 official Washington was like

00:10:14.160 absolutely hysterical about Pat Buchanan.

00:10:17.920 And you're like,

00:10:18.640 well, why?

00:10:19.480 Right.

00:10:20.060 Why?

00:10:20.520 What's so scary about Pat Buchanan?

00:10:21.920 He was like,

00:10:22.500 and same with Ross Perot.

00:10:23.480 They're hysterical about Ross Perot

00:10:24.540 because they were saying true things.

00:10:26.480 That's why.

00:10:27.200 That's the only reason.

00:10:28.020 That's the only reason anyone ever gets mad

00:10:29.360 in Washington is because you tell the truth.

00:10:31.220 So I should,

00:10:31.820 but I was too young.

00:10:32.760 I just didn't understand it at all.

00:10:35.140 And the,

00:10:35.440 the,

00:10:35.660 so this,

00:10:36.560 and people,

00:10:36.900 because people say,

00:10:37.620 oh,

00:10:37.820 well,

00:10:37.960 Trumpism is this new thing.

00:10:39.400 And Trump,

00:10:39.760 I don't think it's new.

00:10:40.780 No,

00:10:40.980 of course not.

00:10:41.340 It's not new.

00:10:42.420 Buchanan was tapping into it.

00:10:43.520 Perot was tapping into it.

00:10:45.140 It was nascent.

00:10:46.420 You had these people who were pushing against it.

00:10:49.420 You obviously,

00:10:50.680 and I think for,

00:10:51.240 I think personally,

00:10:53.300 it's,

00:10:53.780 it's tapping into that,

00:10:55.120 but plus the rise of independent media

00:10:56.780 and independent voices that have actually given.

00:10:59.460 There's such fools though.

00:11:00.260 There's such fools.

00:11:01.380 Look,

00:11:01.600 every system needs a correction at some point.

00:11:05.040 You just need an update.

00:11:05.960 And we do personally too.

00:11:07.340 Like your assumptions do not hold over time.

00:11:09.260 Things change.

00:11:09.820 It's a dynamic world.

00:11:10.600 We don't acknowledge that.

00:11:11.680 Human nature actually doesn't acknowledge that.

00:11:13.520 We imagine everything's just the same as it was.

00:11:15.480 It's never,

00:11:15.820 it never is.

00:11:16.560 So you need to,

00:11:17.580 to update the system.

00:11:18.940 And democracy is supposedly self-correcting.

00:11:21.740 If you prevent those corrections from happening,

00:11:23.980 the only thing you do is stoke radicalism.

00:11:29.440 The thing about Perot,

00:11:30.820 who I covered,

00:11:32.100 Pat Buchanan,

00:11:32.680 who I covered and knew well,

00:11:34.600 he's still alive.

00:11:36.420 And Trump,

00:11:37.280 of course,

00:11:37.540 who I know,

00:11:38.320 is that they're all moderates.

00:11:39.500 They're all basically very moderate.

00:11:40.940 You know,

00:11:41.060 they didn't want to blow anything up.

00:11:42.280 They had,

00:11:42.640 destruction was not on their calendar at all.

00:11:44.860 They just wanted to apply common sense principles to governance.

00:11:49.660 And they were all treated like Nazis.

00:11:52.120 And so,

00:11:52.980 and,

00:11:53.220 and thwarted all three of them.

00:11:54.940 And so what's going to happen?

00:11:56.860 Like the next guy who builds a national following in Trump's footsteps will not be moderate at all.

00:12:02.400 He's going to be angry and he's going to be revolutionary.

00:12:04.660 And I can't foresee what will happen after that,

00:12:07.300 but I just know how systems work and they're ensuring that we're going to get like an actual demagogue.

00:12:14.620 And after years of telling us that Trump,

00:12:16.260 who's like a totally conventional guy,

00:12:18.440 which is some interesting views,

00:12:20.020 but doesn't want to hurt anyone.

00:12:21.300 He's totally nonviolent.

00:12:22.440 His main fear is nuclear war.

00:12:23.860 I mean,

00:12:23.960 the guy is not what they say is he's the opposite,

00:12:26.360 but the next guy will be what they say Trump is actually,

00:12:29.580 because people are too frustrated.

00:12:31.440 And then we're going to get radical politics.

00:12:34.320 People are going to get hurt.

00:12:35.140 Then it gets more radical.

00:12:36.400 Like this has happened in every country on the planet,

00:12:38.200 except ours for 150 years.

00:12:39.820 And people lack imagination.

00:12:40.920 They don't think it could happen here.

00:12:41.820 It's happening here.

00:12:42.600 Well,

00:12:42.640 and you'll get,

00:12:43.460 and at the same time,

00:12:44.220 you'll get the response to that guy.

00:12:45.640 Of course.

00:12:46.080 Right.

00:12:46.220 And the response to that guy will,

00:12:47.500 and I've said this so many times,

00:12:48.360 will be like,

00:12:49.460 like a,

00:12:50.340 imagine like a young millennial Chavez.

00:12:53.100 Exactly.

00:12:53.780 Yeah.

00:12:54.420 Exactly.

00:12:54.900 Who comes up.

00:12:55.500 Right.

00:12:55.820 And it's like,

00:12:56.300 like they wanted this to be AOC,

00:12:58.000 but she,

00:12:58.460 she didn't really have it,

00:12:59.720 you know,

00:13:00.300 but imagine like,

00:13:01.440 she's a servant of the banks.

00:13:02.740 But imagine like an actual charismatic millennial.

00:13:06.500 And,

00:13:06.560 and it,

00:13:06.860 cause everyone's in debt now,

00:13:08.200 right?

00:13:08.380 Everyone's in debt.

00:13:09.400 And so you can't own anything.

00:13:11.020 I'm talking millennials.

00:13:12.220 Oh,

00:13:12.380 I know.

00:13:12.760 Everyone passed.

00:13:13.320 So you can't own anything.

00:13:14.540 You're all in debt.

00:13:15.520 You've been screwed by college.

00:13:16.380 You're screwed by everything.

00:13:17.520 I agree.

00:13:17.980 And now along comes somebody.

00:13:19.920 This is how it always goes.

00:13:21.320 Right.

00:13:21.520 And every single,

00:13:22.300 every single.

00:13:22.580 And that person will go after the finance infrastructure,

00:13:25.440 the banks.

00:13:25.980 Oh yeah.

00:13:26.460 The people who lend money at incredibly high rates right now.

00:13:30.300 I think the average,

00:13:31.360 what's the average credit card rate is 19 or 20%.

00:13:33.660 We have higher credit card debt right now in this country than we've ever had in our history.

00:13:37.360 And of course you can't discharge it in bankruptcy.

00:13:39.100 Thanks to,

00:13:39.800 let me just guess.

00:13:40.720 Oh,

00:13:41.280 Joe Biden.

00:13:41.980 Oh,

00:13:42.420 Senator from Delaware.

00:13:43.260 And that's not a campaign issue.

00:13:45.200 It's all about training this or training that or white people are bad or whatever.

00:13:48.180 But underneath all of those distractions is the fact that people are getting much poorer.

00:13:52.380 And the one thing you're really not allowed to say for real after the foreign policy stuff,

00:13:56.960 which is obviously verboten,

00:13:58.180 but domestically,

00:13:58.960 the one thing you can't say is the banks are kind of,

00:14:00.880 why are the banks our friends?

00:14:02.040 They're not.

00:14:03.360 And they're getting,

00:14:04.180 you know,

00:14:04.340 the finance world is getting taxed at half the rate as the people who work like you and me.

00:14:08.560 I get paid a lot.

00:14:09.440 So it's,

00:14:09.800 I guess it's fine,

00:14:10.440 but it's still offensive that they pay half the rate.

00:14:13.080 Why should they pay half the rate?

00:14:13.860 Are they twice as virtuous as I am or anyone else with a job?

00:14:16.180 They're not actually.

00:14:17.060 They're a little less virtuous,

00:14:18.100 but Bernie Sanders,

00:14:19.280 look what happened to Bernie Sanders.

00:14:20.820 You know,

00:14:21.160 Bernie Sanders is just a complete democratic party robot in a,

00:14:24.600 just a husk of a man.

00:14:26.220 And I think they blackmailing him with using his wife is my guess.

00:14:30.940 I don't have evidence.

00:14:31.820 Well,

00:14:31.980 they give him another,

00:14:32.540 they give him another mansion every time he drops out.

00:14:34.480 Exactly.

00:14:35.160 Exactly.

00:14:35.660 But they stole the election from him in,

00:14:38.200 you know,

00:14:39.620 Robin Blaine.

00:14:40.400 In 2016.

00:14:41.600 Absolutely.

00:14:42.260 They got caught doing it.

00:14:43.400 Yeah.

00:14:43.640 By Julian Assange.

00:14:44.600 I'm aware who got those documents from within the DNC.

00:14:48.280 Sorry,

00:14:48.420 that wasn't Russia.

00:14:49.260 You liars.

00:14:50.120 It was not Russia.

00:14:51.340 It was someone from within the building.

00:14:53.220 I'll leave it there.

00:14:54.360 And,

00:14:54.720 um,

00:14:55.040 what was that about?

00:14:56.860 It was about Bernie saying Bernie Sanders criticizing billionaires,

00:15:00.180 the oligarchs,

00:15:00.740 the banks.

00:15:01.240 Right.

00:15:01.580 And the next guy,

00:15:02.640 if you,

00:15:02.760 because they saw it was coming.

00:15:03.740 Oh,

00:15:03.940 a hundred percent.

00:15:04.440 But if you ever had a candidate who was articulate,

00:15:07.860 maybe Hispanics wouldn't have to deal with the race stuff.

00:15:10.700 That's what I'm saying.

00:15:11.420 Yeah.

00:15:11.620 That's why I say Chavez.

00:15:12.940 A hundred percent.

00:15:13.780 And who was legitimately mad at wall street.

00:15:17.120 That's the issue.

00:15:18.060 And by the way,

00:15:18.540 they absolutely deserve it.

00:15:20.320 We don't deserve what that system will do to us.

00:15:22.140 Cause it will wreck the country.

00:15:23.360 I think.

00:15:24.020 But if you open up that,

00:15:26.520 and we were just talking before we came on,

00:15:28.060 if you open up that level of resentment,

00:15:30.580 right?

00:15:31.280 That's how you get,

00:15:32.140 that's how you get French revolution.

00:15:33.440 That's how you get Bolshevism.

00:15:34.580 And they're desperately like,

00:15:35.520 Oh no,

00:15:35.900 it's the white's fault.

00:15:37.020 Hate the whites.

00:15:37.740 It's like some guy making 50 grand a year in Iowa.

00:15:41.340 He's the problem.

00:15:42.300 And you know,

00:15:43.200 that it's clearly very effective.

00:15:44.680 And a lot of people do hate the whites because they believe the propaganda,

00:15:47.820 but underneath it all,

00:15:49.640 I think they hate the banks more.

00:15:52.080 And they hate the white stuff is,

00:15:53.700 I don't think it can last forever.

00:15:55.160 Someone's gonna be like,

00:15:55.700 all right,

00:15:56.120 okay.

00:15:56.720 You hate the whites.

00:15:57.240 Great.

00:15:57.580 Whites are bad,

00:15:58.740 but the banks are really bad.

00:16:00.300 And another reason you don't have a house or a car.

00:16:02.320 this is why,

00:16:03.160 to your point though,

00:16:04.380 this is why you see like Citibank and Bank of America,

00:16:09.760 and they're all funding what?

00:16:12.200 Black Lives Matter.

00:16:12.760 Of course.

00:16:13.400 Right?

00:16:13.660 Because it's not us.

00:16:14.780 And that,

00:16:15.220 that all exploded after,

00:16:17.140 after Occupy Wall Street.

00:16:19.360 Yes.

00:16:19.740 Okay.

00:16:20.160 So it was 2011,

00:16:21.200 2012 when people started to get serious and whatever.

00:16:24.760 I have a million views about Occupy Wall Street,

00:16:26.680 but the theme is right.

00:16:28.920 99%,

00:16:29.480 1%.

00:16:29.980 Yeah.

00:16:30.600 And the main crimes are economic crimes.

00:16:32.260 Right.

00:16:32.440 And those are the ones we never talk about.

00:16:33.900 Nope.

00:16:34.260 And occasionally they'll get like,

00:16:35.400 someone is so ludicrous,

00:16:36.380 like Sam Bankman,

00:16:37.080 free to inventing a fake cryptocurrency and defrauding a million people.

00:16:40.440 Like you have to kind of do something about it.

00:16:42.760 Yeah.

00:16:43.040 But that happens every day.

00:16:44.860 And people just can't afford to live in this country anymore.

00:16:47.120 At the same moment,

00:16:47.780 we're importing tens of millions of people.

00:16:49.380 And so you're like,

00:16:50.900 you know,

00:16:51.460 what is this?

00:16:52.280 And obviously,

00:16:53.440 you know,

00:16:54.520 it's the darkest possible scenario.

00:16:56.140 But I think it's over the economic questions that there's going to be.

00:16:59.420 Well,

00:16:59.440 you mentioned the importing.

00:17:00.500 So we're here in Phoenix.

00:17:01.640 We're taping this.

00:17:03.460 Have you seen the robot taxis around town?

00:17:05.580 No.

00:17:06.420 Robot taxis.

00:17:07.420 Yeah.

00:17:07.560 I'm against that.

00:17:08.260 So,

00:17:08.660 so it's,

00:17:09.460 they're all over as you,

00:17:10.640 when you leave the studio,

00:17:11.400 there's nobody in them.

00:17:12.940 Well,

00:17:13.320 there's passengers,

00:17:14.040 but there's no one at the wheel.

00:17:16.240 They're white.

00:17:17.140 They have this like spaceship thing swirling around on top sensors all around.

00:17:21.360 And they're all over the city of Phoenix and the robot taxis.

00:17:24.460 Imagine if we applied the technology to like closing the border or stopping the drug epidemic

00:17:28.600 that's killing a hundred thousand people a year.

00:17:30.340 Why can't we have robots down there?

00:17:31.240 Maybe solving homelessness.

00:17:33.580 Give them a ride.

00:17:34.320 Right.

00:17:34.640 Yeah.

00:17:34.680 Take them somewhere.

00:17:35.540 Help them out.

00:17:36.320 No.

00:17:36.560 No.

00:17:36.680 So these are robot taxis that you can get in.

00:17:39.480 I want to do a video on one of them.

00:17:40.420 You should do a video on one of them.

00:17:41.420 Actually,

00:17:41.660 no,

00:17:41.780 wait,

00:17:41.920 don't.

00:17:42.140 Don't steal my idea.

00:17:42.900 No,

00:17:43.100 I'm not going to.

00:17:43.600 I don't want to get in a robot taxi.

00:17:44.860 Yeah,

00:17:44.880 exactly.

00:17:45.140 So,

00:17:45.380 so it's,

00:17:45.820 I call them bug bots.

00:17:46.920 Yeah.

00:17:47.240 Call them bug bots.

00:17:48.020 Yeah.

00:17:48.180 So,

00:17:48.660 but,

00:17:49.160 but go with me on this.

00:17:50.520 The,

00:17:50.780 the robots take over for Uber,

00:17:53.080 right?

00:17:53.580 The robots take over for truckers,

00:17:55.500 which they're already pushing.

00:17:57.280 They want this next,

00:17:58.480 but at the same time we're,

00:18:00.900 so they take over all basic,

00:18:02.240 you know,

00:18:02.560 the,

00:18:02.840 basically the low income or the low income jobs.

00:18:04.960 Um,

00:18:05.660 not that actually taxis Ubers do very well.

00:18:07.800 That being said,

00:18:08.520 what happens to all the low skill migrants that we've just imported when all those jobs are run by robots?

00:18:17.000 You,

00:18:17.320 you know,

00:18:17.720 that's,

00:18:18.120 I said,

00:18:18.600 I actually said,

00:18:19.300 you know,

00:18:19.640 over and I'll talk about the great replacement,

00:18:20.900 but what about,

00:18:21.500 I think the real great replacement is the robots,

00:18:23.400 right?

00:18:24.080 Because now,

00:18:24.840 now they're here.

00:18:26.040 Now they have all those jobs,

00:18:27.040 but we still have the migrants.

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00:19:39.740 Yeah.

00:19:42.940 I mean,

00:19:43.220 I,

00:19:43.500 I think that we're in for a period of true domestic chaos.

00:19:47.240 This is not good.

00:19:48.060 No,

00:19:48.500 because yeah,

00:19:49.920 whatever.

00:19:50.200 I don't want to get luxury about it,

00:19:51.700 but you know,

00:19:52.380 we had a massive economic crisis in October of 1929.

00:19:56.580 It lasted for more than 10 years and the country,

00:19:59.260 you know,

00:19:59.480 went through volatility,

00:20:00.180 but it hung together because the population had a lot in common with one

00:20:03.200 another.

00:20:03.640 Right.

00:20:03.720 And so you could have,

00:20:04.880 you know,

00:20:05.000 the biggest domestic mobilization in history,

00:20:08.320 the civilian conservation core led by general Douglas MacArthur,

00:20:11.440 by the way,

00:20:11.900 wouldn't forget set.

00:20:12.740 And,

00:20:13.000 and the country did fine and was able to participate in world war two

00:20:16.480 effectively,

00:20:17.240 et cetera,

00:20:17.600 et cetera.

00:20:18.700 They didn't win world war two,

00:20:20.160 but they,

00:20:20.640 they fought valiantly and like the country held together.

00:20:23.100 And then we had a boom period for 20 years.

00:20:25.820 That would not be the story if we had another depression because you've had

00:20:30.100 tens of millions of people come here,

00:20:31.820 not because they love America or believe in our founding documents.

00:20:34.780 They don't know what they are.

00:20:36.140 And they have all been told to hate white people.

00:20:38.900 No,

00:20:39.320 they came here because they want to make more money.

00:20:40.920 Well,

00:20:41.300 if that promise dries up and they're here,

00:20:43.880 like,

00:20:44.280 what does that look like?

00:20:45.620 You have true social disunity and you have actual poverty and you have a

00:20:53.040 government that can't kind of print its way out of it because your debt

00:20:57.020 service is like bigger than your defense budget.

00:21:00.160 Like what,

00:21:00.740 what happens?

00:21:01.820 And I'm,

00:21:02.260 by the way,

00:21:02.620 I'm,

00:21:03.000 I'm not a super high IQ person.

00:21:04.600 I'm hardly a genius.

00:21:05.360 I'm just sort of like an observer.

00:21:06.860 And this is obvious to me.

00:21:08.660 So where are the central planners on this?

00:21:10.420 This has never occurred to them.

00:21:11.380 We're not supposed to notice these things.

00:21:12.780 But like what let's,

00:21:14.280 let's say markets collapse tomorrow,

00:21:15.960 which is entirely possible.

00:21:17.400 Of course it doesn't happen.

00:21:18.640 But if it does,

00:21:19.540 and all of a sudden the government's like,

00:21:20.740 we can't make good on all these payments that we've promised,

00:21:23.540 including to the tens of millions of migrants,

00:21:25.300 all of whom are on welfare,

00:21:26.440 every single one of them.

00:21:28.280 And then what happens?

00:21:29.580 I'm serious.

00:21:30.240 What happens?

00:21:30.860 Do you think,

00:21:31.880 do you think,

00:21:32.560 and they have no credibility?

00:21:33.620 Do you think under those conditions,

00:21:34.960 and we,

00:21:35.440 we just see,

00:21:35.880 we just thought there's a new movie coming out and it's all about civil war.

00:21:40.360 Yeah.

00:21:40.820 I,

00:21:41.040 you know,

00:21:41.280 I,

00:21:41.520 of course I,

00:21:41.960 I think civil war is by far the worst possible outcome.

00:21:45.720 You know,

00:21:45.940 there's not a country that hasn't,

00:21:47.820 you know,

00:21:48.220 there's gone through a civil war.

00:21:49.200 That's not,

00:21:49.640 I mean,

00:21:49.740 I was just in Spain.

00:21:50.900 Actually,

00:21:51.640 you know,

00:21:51.960 this country,

00:21:52.560 we just took down the,

00:21:53.480 the civil war unity memorial today.

00:21:55.900 Actually,

00:21:56.220 from what I hear,

00:21:58.640 there was a restraining order that came at the very last second.

00:22:01.600 Why weren't there men with baseball bats stomping it?

00:22:03.600 I mean,

00:22:03.820 that's what,

00:22:04.260 we did that in Philly to the Columbus statue.

00:22:05.980 Good,

00:22:06.320 good,

00:22:06.720 good.

00:22:06.760 In Philly,

00:22:07.260 in South Philly.

00:22:07.860 So that works.

00:22:08.380 That works like,

00:22:09.760 I'm sorry,

00:22:10.400 you can't destroy everything in my country.

00:22:12.680 I mean,

00:22:12.860 I had a lot of family members who fought in the civil war.

00:22:15.600 You know,

00:22:15.800 that's the reconciliation.

00:22:17.040 Well,

00:22:17.240 of course,

00:22:17.760 right.

00:22:18.100 Well,

00:22:18.240 they want a civil war.

00:22:19.340 I guess what I'm saying is they want that.

00:22:21.900 We,

00:22:22.020 I keep saying they,

00:22:23.020 Hey,

00:22:23.140 let's have unity.

00:22:24.020 Let's have unity.

00:22:24.780 No,

00:22:25.040 destroy it.

00:22:25.580 Well,

00:22:25.720 they want obviously conflict,

00:22:27.680 of course,

00:22:28.260 as a pretext for taking more power.

00:22:31.240 There's so many dark things going on simultaneously.

00:22:33.500 It's hard.

00:22:34.260 I don't want to like,

00:22:34.820 it's Christmas.

00:22:36.000 It's like,

00:22:36.300 it's like,

00:22:36.860 yeah.

00:22:37.220 I would say,

00:22:38.040 at some point people have to just say no on a micro level.

00:22:41.360 There's nothing you can do about a lot of these big trends.

00:22:44.600 The strength of the U S dollar,

00:22:45.700 for example,

00:22:46.280 on which so much hangs.

00:22:47.420 It has strength.

00:22:48.460 Well,

00:22:49.240 it's declining fast by gold and ammo,

00:22:52.900 but I,

00:22:53.640 but you can do things like if they're trying to take a statue down in your town,

00:22:56.560 like how about no,

00:22:57.780 I've got a lot of children and how about no has been the most effective parenting tool I've ever used.

00:23:02.100 Just no.

00:23:02.740 How's that?

00:23:03.080 You know,

00:23:03.700 that's,

00:23:04.020 they say that it's,

00:23:05.420 it's the most masculine word or,

00:23:07.020 or actually the essence of masculinity.

00:23:08.740 Really?

00:23:09.120 The word,

00:23:09.440 no,

00:23:09.740 I've never heard that.

00:23:10.520 The word,

00:23:10.780 no,

00:23:11.460 because it's,

00:23:12.800 it's just,

00:23:13.300 it's just,

00:23:13.700 this will not stop.

00:23:14.840 This,

00:23:14.960 this,

00:23:15.220 it's,

00:23:15.320 it's,

00:23:15.340 it's,

00:23:15.680 it's,

00:23:16.260 boundaries,

00:23:16.580 the enforcement of standards,

00:23:18.160 the enforcement of,

00:23:18.980 you know,

00:23:19.240 because it's,

00:23:19.920 it's feminine coded to say,

00:23:21.420 let's make everyone feel better.

00:23:24.340 We want to be the glue.

00:23:25.420 We want everyone to be,

00:23:26.540 uh,

00:23:27.060 co everything to be copacetic,

00:23:28.420 right?

00:23:28.560 That's,

00:23:28.840 that's,

00:23:29.180 that's,

00:23:29.520 that's the moms,

00:23:30.280 right?

00:23:30.460 That's what mom's always doing when all the guys are fighting,

00:23:32.740 you know,

00:23:33.360 but for the men,

00:23:34.260 it's just,

00:23:34.900 no.

00:23:35.440 Well,

00:23:35.620 we do have government by single mom,

00:23:37.420 and that's why it's become such an incredibly heartless and cruel society,

00:23:41.100 uh,

00:23:42.160 without justice,

00:23:42.980 uh,

00:23:43.660 or mercy.

00:23:44.720 Kind of amazing.

00:23:45.540 It's sort of the opposite of what you would expect,

00:23:47.020 but that's,

00:23:47.460 that's what we have.

00:23:48.680 Um,

00:23:49.460 I have never thought of no as a masculine word.

00:23:53.300 Uh,

00:23:53.720 in that case,

00:23:54.440 I'm very hairy chested because I'm all about it.

00:23:56.420 And,

00:23:56.720 and what's so striking about saying no,

00:23:58.540 if you're reasonable,

00:23:59.180 I mean,

00:23:59.500 by the way,

00:23:59.920 and so like they,

00:24:00.540 they sell masculinity,

00:24:01.640 right?

00:24:01.820 It's,

00:24:02.020 it's,

00:24:02.240 you know,

00:24:02.420 they're like,

00:24:02.840 Oh,

00:24:03.160 you know,

00:24:03.340 masculine is,

00:24:04.020 uh,

00:24:04.200 you know,

00:24:04.580 eating bacon and drink beer and watching the game.

00:24:07.500 Right.

00:24:07.640 That's,

00:24:08.080 that's like the,

00:24:08.800 the,

00:24:09.080 you know,

00:24:09.280 what we're supposed to say,

00:24:09.860 but it's also,

00:24:10.840 you have to say yes,

00:24:12.060 but you have to say yes to the vaccine.

00:24:13.880 You have to say yes to BLM.

00:24:15.080 You have to say yes to whatever the program is.

00:24:18.060 Couldn't agree more.

00:24:18.840 I don't watch the game and I don't drink beer and I don't go to the gym for that matter.

00:24:23.540 Um,

00:24:24.480 but I do think that the patriarchy is the only effective system because it's consistent with human nature and overthrowing it doesn't liberate you.

00:24:34.640 It enslaves you.

00:24:35.360 And the evidence of that is all around us,

00:24:37.780 obviously.

00:24:39.060 And I think,

00:24:40.100 but I should just put one caveat in.

00:24:41.720 I don't think no for its own sake is a good idea either.

00:24:44.000 I mean,

00:24:44.200 arbitrary.

00:24:45.120 No,

00:24:45.340 no,

00:24:45.360 not arbitrary.

00:24:46.160 Right.

00:24:46.340 Correct.

00:24:46.500 Not arbitrary.

00:24:46.700 It's the worst thing there is.

00:24:47.940 And that's a much more feminine style of leadership,

00:24:50.040 by the way.

00:24:50.420 Right.

00:24:50.540 There's no,

00:24:50.860 it's not an arbitrary.

00:24:51.740 No,

00:24:51.940 no,

00:24:52.040 it's not arbitrary.

00:24:52.500 But if you explain it,

00:24:53.400 like,

00:24:53.640 you know,

00:24:53.960 we just,

00:24:54.540 we don't smoke,

00:24:55.320 smoke marijuana at the dinner table.

00:24:56.800 Like we just don't do that in our family because it's not good.

00:24:58.680 And I find that when you say no in a reasonable way and you explain why you're saying no.

00:25:06.340 Correct.

00:25:07.100 99% of the people time of the time,

00:25:08.880 people like,

00:25:09.240 yeah,

00:25:09.380 I get that.

00:25:09.980 I get that.

00:25:10.560 No,

00:25:10.980 no one holds a grudge.

00:25:12.080 Your kids aren't mad at you.

00:25:13.040 No,

00:25:13.280 no,

00:25:13.500 because,

00:25:13.860 and the opposite,

00:25:15.560 I think is what we have now,

00:25:18.960 where if you don't say no,

00:25:20.540 there's literally no end to what you will get.

00:25:23.640 You get what you put up with.

00:25:25.140 And if you don't put a stop to it,

00:25:26.700 they will kill you.

00:25:27.660 And we're moving very quickly toward that.

00:25:29.700 In fact,

00:25:29.900 we're already there.

00:25:30.760 Our life expectancy,

00:25:31.860 this country is in decline and it has been for years.

00:25:34.160 So if you don't think that's an emergency,

00:25:36.340 and if our leaders don't even bother to notice it,

00:25:38.760 what does that tell you?

00:25:39.680 Well,

00:25:39.780 they have homicidal intent,

00:25:40.960 obviously.

00:25:42.480 Obviously.

00:25:43.660 And you're,

00:25:44.060 you're,

00:25:44.420 if life expectancy and your family went way down,

00:25:46.820 you'd be like,

00:25:47.300 I've got to fix this.

00:25:48.960 Right?

00:25:49.700 Yeah.

00:25:50.220 Yeah.

00:25:50.680 You'd come around and say,

00:25:51.820 as,

00:25:52.260 as the dad,

00:25:53.280 as the dad,

00:25:54.080 you're coming in and you're saying,

00:25:55.240 all right,

00:25:55.740 something is off.

00:25:56.840 Something is wrong.

00:25:57.780 Is it a health thing?

00:25:58.980 Is it a money thing?

00:26:00.140 People are dying.

00:26:01.000 My people are dying.

00:26:02.300 These are people,

00:26:03.000 but they don't think of the American population as their people at all.

00:26:06.340 They think of them as foreigners to be subjugated.

00:26:09.180 Oh,

00:26:09.380 you're,

00:26:09.560 you're a serf.

00:26:10.120 You're a Kulak.

00:26:10.860 100%.

00:26:11.180 They don't have any,

00:26:13.000 the people who lead the country have nothing in common with the people who live in the

00:26:15.620 country.

00:26:16.280 No,

00:26:16.440 I always say,

00:26:17.040 because you mentioned Maine and we've both spent time in Maine.

00:26:19.660 And I always say Maine is like a great example of this.

00:26:22.240 Cause you can go to the coast and like,

00:26:23.920 you're in Kennebunkport or Gunkwit and it's gorgeous,

00:26:26.780 beautiful.

00:26:28.160 And then you can drive down the road like 10 minutes.

00:26:31.580 Yeah.

00:26:31.840 And you're in like Samford.

00:26:33.120 Yeah.

00:26:33.720 Right.

00:26:34.000 And it,

00:26:34.380 which was like,

00:26:34.820 it was the textile capital of the world.

00:26:37.660 Right.

00:26:38.000 And the shipbuilding was up there and all of it.

00:26:39.500 And it's all gutted now.

00:26:40.560 Yeah.

00:26:40.820 And it's all gutted.

00:26:41.420 So the people who used to own those factories,

00:26:43.800 they're still in granola Maine.

00:26:45.460 Of course.

00:26:45.880 And then there's like NASCAR Maine in the middle.

00:26:48.380 Yes.

00:26:49.660 And everything was taken from them.

00:26:51.820 Well,

00:26:52.200 yeah.

00:26:52.440 I mean,

00:26:52.680 I've certainly seen that a lot.

00:26:55.220 They'll have the trans flags up.

00:26:56.860 And when you go to a Gunkwit,

00:26:58.000 when you go to Kennebunkport,

00:26:58.900 they'll have the trans flags up.

00:27:00.220 They'll have the pride flags up.

00:27:01.580 They'll have the,

00:27:02.320 all of it,

00:27:03.000 all of it.

00:27:03.340 Replace the American flags.

00:27:04.520 And so we care so much.

00:27:05.740 We care so much.

00:27:06.280 We care so much.

00:27:06.840 Do you care about the people down the road?

00:27:08.560 Yeah.

00:27:08.820 You know,

00:27:09.040 it's funny.

00:27:09.520 I've done what so many people who disagree with what's going on now have done,

00:27:13.280 which is like completely opt out.

00:27:14.720 And I live,

00:27:16.380 you know,

00:27:16.620 hours from the world that you're describing.

00:27:18.840 And I'm thinking to myself,

00:27:20.080 when was the last time I was in Kennebunkport?

00:27:21.380 I mean,

00:27:21.560 I must've been,

00:27:22.340 it must've been 30 years ago anyway.

00:27:23.980 Like I wouldn't consider going there or Portland,

00:27:25.880 Maine,

00:27:26.000 where I used to live.

00:27:27.020 I would never go there ever.

00:27:28.880 I like use their airport and leave.

00:27:30.280 And that's probably the wrong posture.

00:27:34.400 I mean,

00:27:34.640 running away was my first impulse when things started.

00:27:38.060 I mean,

00:27:38.200 I went to a family house and that I'd gone to my whole life and live in my

00:27:41.760 childhood bedroom now.

00:27:42.880 And that's great.

00:27:43.700 And I love it.

00:27:44.160 I couldn't be happier because we're just so far from anybody.

00:27:47.260 But that,

00:27:47.760 is that really the courageous move?

00:27:49.880 It's not actually.

00:27:51.080 Yeah.

00:27:51.260 The courageous move is to stay in midtown Manhattan with your middle fingers

00:27:54.700 extended and say,

00:27:55.440 you know,

00:27:55.560 my family fought in the war of 1812.

00:27:57.060 Like you're not going to take my country away.

00:27:58.600 Sorry.

00:27:59.380 I mean,

00:27:59.580 that's,

00:27:59.840 and that's personally how I feel like what it's not your country.

00:28:03.060 What are you doing?

00:28:03.880 And especially if you just got here and you're lecturing me about my white

00:28:06.780 privilege.

00:28:07.540 Really?

00:28:08.300 Where are you even from?

00:28:09.220 You weren't even born here.

00:28:10.220 Shut up.

00:28:11.120 And that,

00:28:12.220 you know,

00:28:12.560 we just go along with this stuff,

00:28:14.260 which is why it keeps happening.

00:28:15.460 And I'm just waiting for the moment that people in a,

00:28:18.740 in a calm,

00:28:20.620 dignified,

00:28:21.260 nonviolent way say,

00:28:22.420 I'm not,

00:28:23.060 I'm,

00:28:23.140 we're not doing this.

00:28:23.900 Yeah.

00:28:24.120 I love it.

00:28:24.500 No,

00:28:24.660 I think going into 2024,

00:28:26.500 that's,

00:28:27.060 we're not doing that.

00:28:27.820 That's the thing.

00:28:28.240 No,

00:28:28.460 it's no.

00:28:29.440 And by the way,

00:28:30.100 no,

00:28:30.380 people are so afraid to get like arrested.

00:28:32.340 And I,

00:28:32.860 and I'm,

00:28:33.280 I will say,

00:28:33.900 I do think this about Trump sometimes.

00:28:35.300 It's like,

00:28:35.780 if you really think the process that he's undergoing is fake,

00:28:41.180 it's not justice.

00:28:42.120 It's not the justice system.

00:28:43.640 It's a political persecution.

00:28:45.980 And I,

00:28:46.660 I believe on the basis of the evidence,

00:28:48.080 I'm not flacking for Trump in the,

00:28:49.500 in the slightest.

00:28:50.480 Well,

00:28:50.840 cause you're not on the ticket yet.

00:28:51.960 Right.

00:28:52.300 Not on the ticket.

00:28:53.320 Right.

00:28:53.740 Yeah.

00:28:53.860 No,

00:28:54.180 no,

00:28:54.360 no.

00:28:54.520 It has nothing to do with that.

00:28:55.380 No,

00:28:55.540 I'm really,

00:28:55.920 I mean I live so far away.

00:28:57.600 I,

00:28:57.760 for a reason,

00:28:58.460 which is I really try to see things objectively if I can,

00:29:00.560 you know,

00:29:00.760 it's hard,

00:29:01.140 but you'd be cool with Nikki Haley on there,

00:29:02.640 right?

00:29:05.020 Nikki Haley running with Trump.

00:29:06.500 Oh,

00:29:06.620 that was a joke.

00:29:08.140 You know,

00:29:08.640 that's so grotesque that I've got to think people who support Trump

00:29:13.340 currently would come out against Trump.

00:29:15.600 You know what someone said to me recently?

00:29:16.960 Do you think that's real?

00:29:18.180 I think there's a push for it.

00:29:19.440 I think the push for it is real.

00:29:20.560 From her people.

00:29:22.260 You know what someone said to me though?

00:29:23.420 Very,

00:29:23.680 very recently.

00:29:24.500 And we said on the show,

00:29:25.060 they said it was Richard Barris.

00:29:27.240 He does people's plundit.

00:29:28.140 And he said,

00:29:28.760 full credit.

00:29:29.620 He said,

00:29:30.000 they will install her.

00:29:31.720 They will try to install her as VP so they can take out Trump.

00:29:35.260 Of course.

00:29:36.080 Are you,

00:29:36.520 there's for,

00:29:37.380 I was about to say there's no one more sinister than Nikki Haley,

00:29:39.600 but that's giving her credit for existing,

00:29:41.100 which I don't think she actually does.

00:29:42.520 But you see the play.

00:29:43.940 Of course I,

00:29:44.460 well,

00:29:44.620 of course I do.

00:29:45.380 I mean,

00:29:45.540 but I think Nikki Haley is a hologram.

00:29:47.740 I mean,

00:29:48.220 she's not,

00:29:48.780 Nikki Haley is just a physical representation of the lust for power of the oligarch class.

00:29:54.180 It's just like if Ken Griffin,

00:29:56.400 you know,

00:29:56.880 had a sock puppet,

00:29:58.020 it would be Nikki Haley.

00:29:59.840 I mean,

00:30:00.020 it's like the most,

00:30:01.040 why is Nikki Haley even in the race?

00:30:02.660 She's,

00:30:03.220 her views bear no resemblance to the views of Republican primary voters.

00:30:06.160 None.

00:30:06.860 She was totally for the BLM riot.

00:30:08.420 She's totally for the training insanity.

00:30:09.860 And she's for declaring war on half the world.

00:30:13.640 If you know,

00:30:14.760 in a way that would not help the United States one bit,

00:30:16.260 it would hurt us.

00:30:16.900 Of course,

00:30:17.340 it's all,

00:30:17.940 it's all so crazy that you're like,

00:30:19.680 why is she in the race?

00:30:20.300 And she's in the race because all these rich people are giving her money and no one will

00:30:24.760 say that.

00:30:25.720 And so I,

00:30:26.660 you know,

00:30:26.820 I honestly think if you said to Nikki Haley,

00:30:28.860 you know,

00:30:29.280 she's whatever,

00:30:30.580 I've got her positions now,

00:30:31.720 but if you said,

00:30:32.260 Nikki Haley,

00:30:32.820 look,

00:30:33.580 I have a lot of money,

00:30:34.600 like for real,

00:30:35.720 got a hundred billion dollars and I'll give you a third of it to come out and attack Israel.

00:30:39.740 There's no question that she would.

00:30:41.480 I mean,

00:30:41.560 this is a person.

00:30:41.940 She would just turn around.

00:30:42.820 Just 100%.

00:30:43.420 You know,

00:30:44.220 I've really thought about it.

00:30:45.480 And I think that Benjamin Netanyahu is the greatest threat to world peace.

00:30:49.980 And I think honestly,

00:30:51.040 we should take their nuclear weapons away.

00:30:52.500 Maybe we invade Israel because they're a threat to national security.

00:30:54.620 I think she'd be saying stuff like that.

00:30:56.260 If you paid her enough,

00:30:57.140 I can't prove it,

00:30:58.240 but I know Nikki Haley fairly well.

00:31:00.080 So like,

00:31:00.340 like I guess the Iranians,

00:31:01.740 right?

00:31:01.880 The Iranians,

00:31:02.200 the Qataris,

00:31:02.800 whoever,

00:31:03.140 they come up to her and they say,

00:31:04.340 all right,

00:31:04.560 on the sly,

00:31:05.400 we're going to feed you.

00:31:06.140 A hundred percent.

00:31:07.020 Oh,

00:31:07.280 look,

00:31:07.580 I mean,

00:31:07.940 she,

00:31:08.280 there's no one more for sale than Nikki Haley,

00:31:10.660 obviously.

00:31:11.320 She literally got rich on the board of a defense contractor.

00:31:15.640 I've seen her mansion.

00:31:16.420 It's beautiful.

00:31:17.560 The whole thing is,

00:31:18.960 it's almost like Nikki Haley to me,

00:31:20.920 reminds me of Biden's senility.

00:31:22.840 It's happening right in front of us.

00:31:24.720 It's just so obvious.

00:31:25.640 No one's even trying to hide it.

00:31:27.240 Just the grotesque nature of Nikki Haley,

00:31:29.160 the quote person,

00:31:30.460 but her campaign and the whole phenomenon,

00:31:31.960 phenomenon and no one says anything about it.

00:31:34.040 Like,

00:31:34.240 I think news anchors should be required to say,

00:31:36.320 Joe Biden comma,

00:31:37.180 who was senile comma spoke today in the Rose garden.

00:31:39.700 Like just,

00:31:40.380 we should never mention Joe Biden without reminding everyone that he's mentally deficient.

00:31:46.260 Because the fact that we have a senile president is so outrageous.

00:31:49.860 It's such an offense against all 350 million of us that we should never allow it to be forgotten even for a moment.

00:31:55.120 And I feel the same way about Nikki Haley.

00:31:56.660 Nikki Haley comma,

00:31:58.000 who is a tool of the worst people in the world who happen to have a billion dollars comma,

00:32:02.920 because that's what she is.

00:32:04.340 Who then comes up?

00:32:04.880 But it would be very funny if I had more time,

00:32:07.400 I would set up an elaborate prank where,

00:32:09.220 you know,

00:32:09.920 I could meet with her posing as some Iranian official and say,

00:32:13.100 look,

00:32:13.200 I know you've been kind of tough in my country,

00:32:15.200 but we have massive oil reserves and we'll cut you in on them if you'll just come out and endorse us.

00:32:19.900 And I think she would think about it.

00:32:21.120 I really do.

00:32:21.640 I think she'd call her accountant and be like,

00:32:22.960 how can we do this?

00:32:23.780 We got to get those,

00:32:24.620 um,

00:32:25.240 or those guys,

00:32:25.800 those two like Russian prank call people.

00:32:27.540 Yeah,

00:32:27.680 yeah,

00:32:27.820 totally.

00:32:28.620 It's like,

00:32:29.140 I forget their names,

00:32:29.940 but,

00:32:30.160 but,

00:32:30.440 uh,

00:32:30.680 you know,

00:32:30.900 get them to be like,

00:32:31.700 oh,

00:32:31.920 we are the Iranians.

00:32:33.300 That would be so great.

00:32:35.400 All right.

00:32:35.660 I'll,

00:32:35.980 I'll call up my Russian handler or you could call yours.

00:32:38.500 Exactly.

00:32:39.220 We'll set it all up.

00:32:40.620 We'll set it all up.

00:32:41.740 Well,

00:32:41.860 you just call Putin and have him.

00:32:42.960 So good.

00:32:43.500 Yeah.

00:32:43.600 My close friend.

00:32:44.880 Yeah.

00:32:45.040 You're,

00:32:45.240 you're,

00:32:45.560 you're,

00:32:45.880 you're good buddy Putin,

00:32:47.000 but tell me,

00:32:47.740 we got,

00:32:48.120 you know,

00:32:48.340 we still have a couple minutes left,

00:32:49.540 but tell me about,

00:32:50.280 tell me about the network.

00:32:51.080 Tell me about the network and what's going on.

00:32:53.020 Well,

00:32:53.200 it's at Tucker Carlson.com.

00:32:54.920 Basically we are trying to build an alternative to the existing news offerings,

00:33:02.400 which are,

00:33:03.120 you know,

00:33:03.460 so corrupt at this point,

00:33:04.600 I'm not going to make the case for their corruption,

00:33:05.920 but they lied too much.

00:33:07.000 They devalued their credibility and we're not going to lie period under any

00:33:11.480 circumstances.

00:33:12.280 So,

00:33:12.640 um,

00:33:13.720 now are you doing advertisers,

00:33:15.220 paywall subscribers?

00:33:16.480 What's the,

00:33:16.780 what's the plan?

00:33:17.240 Well,

00:33:17.440 so we've thought a lot about this.

00:33:18.640 I mean,

00:33:18.800 you're in the business,

00:33:19.420 so,

00:33:19.580 you know,

00:33:19.780 I don't want to bore anybody,

00:33:20.640 but having spent,

00:33:21.960 you know,

00:33:22.060 my whole life in working for big media companies,

00:33:24.240 the advertiser boycott is a really powerful tool that the left uses and they

00:33:28.400 can kind of shut you down.

00:33:30.180 Um,

00:33:30.760 they took all my advertising and my last employer.

00:33:33.660 Uh,

00:33:34.120 but you know,

00:33:34.680 ultimately they'll take you off the air if their advertisers don't like you.

00:33:37.820 So you think,

00:33:38.660 so that's cable.

00:33:39.900 That's cable,

00:33:40.580 but it's also,

00:33:41.300 it's also the internet.

00:33:42.480 It's also the internet.

00:33:43.540 I mean,

00:33:44.000 why did,

00:33:44.880 Oh,

00:33:45.040 for sure.

00:33:45.740 Well,

00:33:45.960 it's certainly the big service providers.

00:33:48.760 It's the big platforms.

00:33:50.160 Why will YouTube not accept?

00:33:51.660 Any criticism of Pfizer,

00:33:54.520 you know,

00:33:55.740 I mean,

00:33:56.060 this is a whole separate conversation,

00:33:57.240 but the point is you cannot be dependent on advertisers as great as they may seem.

00:34:02.780 If you're going to be independent and tell the truth and you can be taken out and I've been taken out,

00:34:07.560 you know,

00:34:07.740 a number of times.

00:34:08.400 So I'm not mad about it at all.

00:34:10.560 I'm so glad,

00:34:11.340 so grateful,

00:34:11.920 but I don't want that to happen again.

00:34:13.500 And I don't want it to happen in the middle of an election year.

00:34:15.600 So we're subscription driven.

00:34:17.860 It's that simple.

00:34:18.660 That's cool.

00:34:18.860 And we've got,

00:34:19.640 you know,

00:34:19.940 20 employees.

00:34:20.800 We're going to hire a bunch more and do the news that's not being covered anywhere else,

00:34:25.380 which is voluminous.

00:34:27.220 I mean,

00:34:27.340 there's so much going on,

00:34:29.080 as you know,

00:34:29.740 since you do a daily show,

00:34:30.840 but it's just,

00:34:31.360 it's crazy.

00:34:31.860 And then like you wake up and you're,

00:34:33.660 and you,

00:34:34.040 you have,

00:34:34.320 you have this plan or like,

00:34:35.200 Oh,

00:34:35.280 I'm going to do this.

00:34:35.840 I'm going to do this.

00:34:36.440 I'm going to work on that story.

00:34:37.320 And then you wake up and it's like,

00:34:38.560 boom,

00:34:39.160 there's a,

00:34:39.560 it's a whole new world.

00:34:40.440 Right.

00:34:40.640 And then some crazy thing blows up and,

00:34:43.320 and you know,

00:34:43.880 my producer Fazz is sitting over here and I'm like,

00:34:45.980 blow up the show.

00:34:47.300 Blow up the show.

00:34:47.800 Of course.

00:34:48.020 Cancel everything.

00:34:48.720 Of course.

00:34:49.260 Right.

00:34:49.540 Because this,

00:34:50.420 we have to talk about this.

00:34:51.500 All the time.

00:34:52.680 And so,

00:34:53.420 but most of it is ignored,

00:34:54.400 as you know,

00:34:54.940 by the,

00:34:55.480 by the platforms with big audiences.

00:34:57.380 And that's a shame.

00:34:59.100 And so we've been greatly helped by Elon's decision to buy X and keep it free.

00:35:05.920 And so that's really,

00:35:07.180 it's been seven or eight months.

00:35:08.660 I'm not good at math since I got canned and we're still around because of that platform,

00:35:13.320 which I am grateful for.

00:35:14.360 I think that his purchase of X has been,

00:35:18.040 because if you notice in like the last year,

00:35:20.180 people are just,

00:35:21.140 just talking more freely.

00:35:22.760 Oh yeah.

00:35:23.380 And,

00:35:23.780 and sharing more ideas and tweeting more.

00:35:26.180 Yes.

00:35:26.420 It all goes back to that.

00:35:27.600 I totally agree.

00:35:28.460 It all goes,

00:35:28.720 because it's had a ripple effect.

00:35:29.940 And you give people a taste of freedom and it's hard to take it away again.

00:35:32.980 And it's like,

00:35:33.560 it's like,

00:35:33.980 oh,

00:35:34.080 we can say retard again.

00:35:35.480 A hundred percent.

00:35:36.040 Oh,

00:35:36.320 is that okay?

00:35:37.040 Now I never stopped because I think it's such a great word.

00:35:39.200 No,

00:35:39.320 I know you never did.

00:35:40.080 And it's like,

00:35:40.480 by the way,

00:35:40.960 my whole life,

00:35:41.900 and I've even written about it at length,

00:35:43.460 I've been very offended by the murder of kids with down syndrome because they have down syndrome.

00:35:48.820 I mean,

00:35:49.060 I'm Catholic.

00:35:49.620 That's,

00:35:49.900 that's huge.

00:35:50.240 Yeah.

00:35:50.600 So I'm,

00:35:51.020 I'm Protestant,

00:35:51.800 but it's obvious even to me that that's an atrocity.

00:35:56.140 And by the way,

00:35:56.660 the,

00:35:56.820 you know,

00:35:57.320 down syndrome groups are agnostic on the question.

00:35:59.820 Are you joking?

00:36:00.580 Right.

00:36:00.740 So,

00:36:01.380 but the same people who are totally all for committing genocide against people with downs are mad.

00:36:07.220 Right.

00:36:07.240 Kill them,

00:36:07.380 but don't offend them.

00:36:07.980 Yes.

00:36:08.300 But don't offend them.

00:36:08.960 Don't hurt anyone's feelings.

00:36:10.760 Just slaughter them.

00:36:11.620 It's like crazy.

00:36:12.380 You know,

00:36:12.540 this is,

00:36:12.860 this is,

00:36:13.220 this is also,

00:36:13.680 I go back to like,

00:36:15.560 you ever,

00:36:16.060 you ever see Jeffrey Dahmer's interview that he gives after he's,

00:36:19.320 after he's,

00:36:20.140 I guess he confesses,

00:36:21.760 right?

00:36:21.880 He confessed.

00:36:23.800 And,

00:36:24.200 and he gives this interview like from prison and,

00:36:27.740 and he's talking about all the people that he's murdered and,

00:36:30.240 you know,

00:36:30.340 you know,

00:36:30.700 eaten.

00:36:31.680 And,

00:36:32.240 and then after,

00:36:33.080 but he,

00:36:33.340 and he makes it,

00:36:34.120 he makes it very clear.

00:36:34.880 He said,

00:36:35.000 I just want to make sure everyone knows that I didn't do it because they were black,

00:36:39.420 because I'm not a filthy racist.

00:36:41.960 Did he really say that?

00:36:43.300 It's like,

00:36:43.960 I'm paraphrasing.

00:36:44.640 Right.

00:36:44.800 But he's like,

00:36:45.400 he's like very sure that after,

00:36:47.180 even though he's admitting like,

00:36:48.160 yeah,

00:36:48.480 you know,

00:36:48.980 I ate a lot of black people,

00:36:50.320 I ate a lot of black people,

00:36:50.980 but I am not a racist.

00:36:52.660 I am not a racist.

00:36:53.640 So it's like,

00:36:54.540 it's like even back then,

00:36:56.320 right?

00:36:56.540 This is worse somehow than murder,

00:36:59.100 cannibalism,

00:37:00.300 necrophilia.

00:37:01.360 That's amazing.

00:37:02.460 Well,

00:37:02.620 that is.

00:37:03.000 He wanted to make sure though.

00:37:04.300 Well,

00:37:04.480 that's of course the moral structure that's been imposed on us.

00:37:07.160 And so many of us have internalized it and sort of believe it,

00:37:10.720 you know,

00:37:11.040 that there are certain,

00:37:11.840 you know,

00:37:12.040 saying a certain word is worse than committing an act of violence.

00:37:14.880 No,

00:37:15.080 it's not precisely.

00:37:16.060 And so I think like Elon getting X and has just sort of changed this whole setup to where we,

00:37:24.600 we can speak,

00:37:25.980 just speak and not even speak truth,

00:37:27.360 just speak,

00:37:28.100 right?

00:37:28.200 Speak our opinion,

00:37:28.820 speak our mind.

00:37:29.740 And we don't have to have that little sensor of,

00:37:31.340 Oh my gosh,

00:37:31.780 what if I say this?

00:37:32.740 And media matters will do this.

00:37:34.460 And this guy will do that.

00:37:35.300 And SPLC will come after us.

00:37:36.820 And Oh my goodness.

00:37:37.480 They stalked my wife and my train on a train.

00:37:39.540 Me and my wife on a train.

00:37:40.280 SPLC stalked us on a train a year ago.

00:37:42.940 They're crazy people.

00:37:44.260 Just crazy deranged.

00:37:45.520 You know,

00:37:45.780 you just wonder how long that can,

00:37:47.340 I mean,

00:37:47.580 just the bullying of the left,

00:37:49.220 the physical intimidation of the left and the passive nature of the right.

00:37:52.780 I just got in the guy's face.

00:37:53.620 That's going to end.

00:37:54.860 I will say this about X.

00:37:56.120 I had never really been on social media very much.

00:37:58.220 Are you,

00:37:58.560 are you using it yourself?

00:37:59.660 You're,

00:37:59.920 you're on the phone.

00:38:00.460 I don't have my own password.

00:38:02.100 Okay.

00:38:02.460 Emily,

00:38:02.940 who's sitting right there is the keeper of the password because I don't have self-control.

00:38:06.120 Like I don't,

00:38:06.980 I don't allow,

00:38:08.380 I don't know.

00:38:08.780 I'm serious.

00:38:09.440 I don't allow Fig Newtons,

00:38:11.300 Marlboro Reds,

00:38:12.540 or a Twitter password in my presence.

00:38:14.960 I always say,

00:38:15.840 I always say there's worse things that I could be addicted to.

00:38:19.620 All right.

00:38:19.920 You know what I'm saying,

00:38:20.500 man?

00:38:20.720 Like,

00:38:21.120 like I don't drink,

00:38:22.220 I don't smoke,

00:38:22.980 but yeah,

00:38:24.420 I might be on there a little bit.

00:38:25.180 So here's the,

00:38:26.100 here's the problem.

00:38:27.060 You're a dominant figure there.

00:38:28.520 And here's the problem with it is that it's not dumb or crazy people.

00:38:33.840 It would be a lot easier for me to take if it was just like stupid people ranting about stuff or crazy people with their insane theories about the world that are obviously not true.

00:38:43.140 The problem with X is there are some very high IQ people on there.

00:38:47.420 Yeah.

00:38:47.500 Like for real.

00:38:48.260 Like I read some stuff on there every single day and I think,

00:38:50.540 well,

00:38:50.580 that person's a lot smarter and more insightful than I am.

00:38:53.040 I think that all the time.

00:38:53.940 I thought today.

00:38:55.240 And it has the effect of making me pretty radical.

00:38:59.460 I'm just being honest.

00:39:00.220 Pretty radical.

00:39:00.840 Because there are people on there who can,

00:39:03.180 I mean,

00:39:03.320 you can see why the left is afraid of it.

00:39:05.040 Oh yeah.

00:39:05.180 Of free speech.

00:39:05.980 Oh yeah.

00:39:06.400 As soon as people start talking.

00:39:07.940 Because the only mainstream platformer you can do that.

00:39:10.080 In the world.

00:39:10.980 Right.

00:39:11.260 On planet earth.

00:39:12.240 Yes.

00:39:12.460 It's the only big platform that allows free speech.

00:39:14.940 The only one.

00:39:16.740 And I feel like they've got to shut it down.

00:39:19.160 Because if they don't,

00:39:20.380 they can't maintain control of people.

00:39:21.840 That's why it's the first amendment.

00:39:22.960 We're discovering that.

00:39:23.620 When I asked Elon,

00:39:25.040 so I was in this Twitter space with him.

00:39:27.460 Yeah.

00:39:27.740 And Alex Jones and Tate is there.

00:39:30.400 And it's this whole thing.

00:39:31.440 It was the day that Alex came back.

00:39:33.660 And I get a chance to ask Elon this.

00:39:35.580 Because I say,

00:39:35.820 hey man,

00:39:36.660 this is great.

00:39:37.480 Right.

00:39:37.640 What you're doing is amazing.

00:39:38.740 I love it.

00:39:40.040 However,

00:39:40.560 we're going into an election.

00:39:42.940 And they're going to come to you.

00:39:45.600 They will come to you one day.

00:39:47.660 Big time.

00:39:48.000 Because they did it last time.

00:39:50.080 Right.

00:39:50.220 They will come to you and they will say,

00:39:51.760 you got to take this down.

00:39:53.620 This is Russian.

00:39:54.800 This is whatever.

00:39:55.620 You know,

00:39:55.940 we'll come up with something.

00:39:56.900 This is evil.

00:39:57.740 Blah,

00:39:57.900 blah,

00:39:58.000 blah,

00:39:58.160 blah,

00:39:58.240 blah.

00:39:58.540 You got to take this down.

00:39:59.540 And he said,

00:39:59.900 well,

00:40:00.140 you know,

00:40:00.300 I want to comply with law.

00:40:01.280 Maybe I'll take it to court.

00:40:02.380 Won't it be transparent?

00:40:03.680 Okay.

00:40:04.080 But I could kind of sense that there was more to it.

00:40:07.040 I wasn't,

00:40:07.340 I wanted to get his personal,

00:40:09.000 you know what I mean?

00:40:09.420 Don't give me your business answer.

00:40:10.460 I want like the answer.

00:40:11.480 Right.

00:40:11.720 And as an interviewer,

00:40:12.420 you'd get that.

00:40:13.520 So I said,

00:40:14.180 but what if,

00:40:14.680 you know,

00:40:15.040 okay,

00:40:15.260 so what if that fails?

00:40:16.480 Right.

00:40:16.600 What if that fails?

00:40:17.300 You,

00:40:17.540 you go to law enforcement,

00:40:18.460 but law enforcement is run by them.

00:40:20.000 So,

00:40:20.500 you know,

00:40:20.740 what are you going to do?

00:40:21.680 He said,

00:40:22.220 I would be personally prepared to go to prison.

00:40:24.480 If they,

00:40:25.060 if they tried to take,

00:40:26.180 make me take down legal content,

00:40:27.880 I would do it.

00:40:28.980 So that's what you just said.

00:40:30.680 I can't,

00:40:31.740 I can't even describe how grateful I am for that.

00:40:34.980 I could not admire it more.

00:40:36.440 I think that's the bravery that will change the world.

00:40:38.940 I think he's a world historic figure.

00:40:40.900 I really believe that I'm not sucking up,

00:40:42.280 but for the record,

00:40:42.780 I've never taken a dime from Elon Musk and I never will.

00:40:45.200 I'm not his employee.

00:40:46.460 I'm just a user like everybody else,

00:40:48.040 but I feel it so acutely because I have been silenced in other forums that without that,

00:40:53.680 I know firsthand,

00:40:54.680 there would be no place to say what you think is true.

00:40:57.120 You would be a slave because that's what that is.

00:40:59.000 If you can't say what you think,

00:40:59.980 you are a slave.

00:41:00.500 Just to be clear,

00:41:00.920 you're not a citizen.

00:41:01.640 You're not a man.

00:41:02.440 This is what we always said because back in the day when,

00:41:05.460 and I knew Doug Mackey in 2016 and we would share me.

00:41:09.020 Oh yeah.

00:41:09.420 Oh yeah.

00:41:10.140 Well,

00:41:10.280 I knew Ricky.

00:41:11.040 I didn't know Doug.

00:41:11.840 I knew Ricky.

00:41:12.380 That poor guy.

00:41:13.120 You know,

00:41:13.420 and I've,

00:41:13.800 I've had him on and we're helping him out as much as we can,

00:41:16.080 but it's like,

00:41:17.120 we just posted memes,

00:41:18.900 man.

00:41:19.380 I know.

00:41:19.920 We were just posting memes and you know,

00:41:23.040 the,

00:41:23.400 the fact that they would turn it into what they turn it into now is insane.

00:41:27.620 So,

00:41:28.060 so Trump wins,

00:41:29.340 we turn the censorship on and we get Elon,

00:41:31.420 which is great.

00:41:32.820 So what do they come back with next?

00:41:34.400 It's all law,

00:41:35.240 right?

00:41:35.560 It's hard power.

00:41:36.160 Can I just say about Doug Mackey,

00:41:38.520 who I know and we've interviewed and I know his legal team because they're

00:41:42.400 friends because he couldn't get real lawyers,

00:41:44.700 you know,

00:41:45.000 he had to,

00:41:45.400 right.

00:41:45.740 Yeah,

00:41:45.900 no,

00:41:46.060 I know.

00:41:46.220 Get people who are ideologically driven.

00:41:47.860 I know you know them too.

00:41:48.600 Um,

00:41:49.920 I just saw today actually on X,

00:41:52.220 some of the media coverage of Trump referring to Doug Mackey.

00:41:55.600 Okay.

00:41:55.980 Yeah.

00:41:56.300 And the media coverage was Trump defends racist,

00:41:59.440 anti-Semite,

00:42:00.420 whatever.

00:42:01.480 Now for the record,

00:42:02.120 I don't think Doug Mackey is a racist or an anti-Semite,

00:42:04.960 but even if he was,

00:42:06.720 he's an American citizen and he has a right to say what he thinks,

00:42:10.160 even if you don't like it.

00:42:11.220 Okay.

00:42:12.020 So they're,

00:42:12.780 they're,

00:42:13.200 they're succeeding actually because the right hasn't bothered to defend free speech

00:42:16.680 very well.

00:42:17.560 They've succeeded.

00:42:18.600 In reframing the conversation around free speech in a way that makes a lot of

00:42:24.460 speech they don't like out of bounds.

00:42:26.780 It's hate speech.

00:42:27.700 It's bigoted speech.

00:42:28.800 This is what we always said back in those days.

00:42:31.520 As we saw the censorship being turned on,

00:42:33.740 I said,

00:42:34.100 look,

00:42:34.620 I don't want any special favors on here.

00:42:36.700 I just want to be treated like everybody else.

00:42:39.160 Yes.

00:42:39.840 Right.

00:42:40.080 Let me,

00:42:40.460 let me go out there and hang my,

00:42:41.900 my stuff up,

00:42:42.880 put my thoughts out,

00:42:44.040 put your videos out.

00:42:45.420 And it does well.

00:42:46.520 It fails.

00:42:47.040 It sucks.

00:42:47.620 It doesn't get any traction,

00:42:48.840 whatever that's on us.

00:42:50.040 Right.

00:42:50.520 But is that so much to ask?

00:42:53.160 The fact that some political lobby or other doesn't like your opinions can't be grounds

00:42:59.260 for silencing those opinions or else we live in a fascist state.

00:43:02.700 Yes.

00:43:02.920 It's that simple.

00:43:03.760 And by the way,

00:43:05.260 any group that has the power to do that has way too much power.

00:43:08.640 It's not actually democracy.

00:43:09.780 100%.

00:43:10.020 We got a couple of minutes left.

00:43:11.960 Yeah.

00:43:12.080 I know you got to run.

00:43:12.860 So I got to ask,

00:43:13.800 I know you're doing the Tucker Carlson original still,

00:43:15.780 right?

00:43:15.980 Yeah.

00:43:16.160 Do you think that you might do an episode long form on Las Vegas?

00:43:24.980 On Las Vegas?

00:43:26.020 Oh,

00:43:26.140 on the shootings?

00:43:27.020 Oh yeah.

00:43:27.900 The largest mass shooting.

00:43:29.720 Man,

00:43:30.160 I could bore you for hours on this.

00:43:32.900 I mean,

00:43:33.060 we went so deep into that.

00:43:34.520 I went out to Vegas twice.

00:43:35.760 And talk to everybody.

00:43:37.800 Oh,

00:43:37.960 I know we got half.

00:43:38.980 The gun lobby doesn't talk about it.

00:43:40.760 Well,

00:43:40.920 there is no gun lobby in the United States.

00:43:42.380 There's the NRA,

00:43:43.160 which is like a shill for the anti-gun lobby,

00:43:45.060 the anti-gun lobby,

00:43:45.800 gun control.

00:43:46.880 Oh,

00:43:47.240 the gun control people.

00:43:48.280 Oh,

00:43:48.440 you're right.

00:43:48.940 They don't bring it up.

00:43:49.420 You're right.

00:43:49.920 They don't bring it.

00:43:50.380 They'll talk about,

00:43:51.140 they'll talk about Sandy Hook.

00:43:52.680 They'll talk about Parkman.

00:43:54.220 Oh,

00:43:54.360 I know.

00:43:54.580 Every school shooting,

00:43:55.380 but all day long,

00:43:56.340 they'll never talk about the largest mass shooting in history.

00:44:00.200 And I'm just going to be totally blunt with you.

00:44:01.800 I mean,

00:44:02.060 I expended so much mental energy and as noted,

00:44:04.560 I'm no genius,

00:44:05.300 but I really did try my sincere best because it smelled wrong.

00:44:08.980 And I very often have no idea what the truth is,

00:44:11.400 but I can spot a lie at a hundred yards.

00:44:13.040 And that story was covered in lies.

00:44:14.240 Well,

00:44:14.360 you know,

00:44:14.500 covered in lies.

00:44:14.980 You know what it is?

00:44:15.620 You know what it is too?

00:44:16.720 It's,

00:44:17.040 it's gun guys,

00:44:18.520 right?

00:44:18.840 Guys who understand firearms,

00:44:21.660 guys who go shooting or have had like a modicum of military training.

00:44:25.360 They look at those pictures and they,

00:44:26.980 and they listen to the sound,

00:44:28.180 right?

00:44:28.880 Guys who've been on the range.

00:44:30.000 And I said this a day of,

00:44:31.200 I said,

00:44:31.340 that doesn't sound like a bump stock to me.

00:44:32.620 I agree.

00:44:33.240 That sounds like a belt fed.

00:44:34.900 I totally agree with you.

00:44:36.600 And I am a gun guy.

00:44:37.700 Like,

00:44:37.860 and a lot of that didn't make sense at all.

00:44:41.100 Cause there's a distinct,

00:44:42.040 it's a,

00:44:42.320 it's like a rat tat tat sound,

00:44:43.680 right?

00:44:43.820 Like I've heard it a million times.

00:44:45.580 You're not going to tell me I didn't hear that.

00:44:47.960 Yeah.

00:44:48.360 So I don't know.

00:44:49.300 And also,

00:44:49.820 I'm not trying to put you on the spot.

00:44:50.720 No,

00:44:50.940 no,

00:44:51.040 you're not putting on the spot at all.

00:44:52.100 I'm fascinated by the story.

00:44:53.160 And,

00:44:53.440 but the official account of where his body was found,

00:44:56.580 at what point it was found,

00:44:59.880 there are about 15 data points in the story that are clearly untrue.

00:45:04.460 What is true?

00:45:05.360 I don't know.

00:45:06.180 You know which one hangs me up?

00:45:07.100 What?

00:45:07.260 Why does he stop shooting?

00:45:08.320 Well,

00:45:08.480 I agree.

00:45:09.500 So the SWAT team was still downstairs.

00:45:13.160 They didn't reach the door.

00:45:14.560 They didn't come to the door.

00:45:15.720 They weren't even on the right floor.

00:45:17.220 Yeah.

00:45:17.520 They're,

00:45:17.740 they're downstairs talking about what they're going to do.

00:45:20.260 All of a sudden the shooting stops.

00:45:21.440 They don't go upstairs for almost 40 minutes.

00:45:26.160 That's why he stopped shooting.

00:45:27.220 Well,

00:45:27.360 exactly.

00:45:28.000 I mean,

00:45:28.180 I'm glad.

00:45:29.020 Like I would,

00:45:29.980 I'm,

00:45:30.420 I'm,

00:45:30.460 I'm certainly happy he stopped shooting,

00:45:32.180 but as someone who's just trying to investigate something,

00:45:35.000 there's no,

00:45:37.680 there's no pressure being applied to you.

00:45:38.960 So why are you stopped shooting?

00:45:39.900 There's so much.

00:45:40.720 Plenty of ammo,

00:45:41.420 plenty of guns.

00:45:42.040 So I will say this about X,

00:45:44.380 and this is one of my,

00:45:45.440 my biggest problems with it.

00:45:46.720 There's too much truth.

00:45:50.080 And if you discover,

00:45:51.800 especially if you're my age and you kind of,

00:45:53.760 my dad worked for the government and including the intelligences and you sort of believe in our system and we're fighting the Soviets and we're obviously on the right side.

00:46:00.740 And we were on the right side of that fight.

00:46:03.960 Sounds nice.

00:46:04.880 Yeah,

00:46:05.140 exactly.

00:46:05.660 It sounds nice.

00:46:06.880 But to discover in a six year period,

00:46:10.100 really all at once that all the institutions you believed in and all the popular history,

00:46:16.720 that you accepted as true is a lie.

00:46:18.900 And that the people you thought were the good guys are actually the drivers of a lot of the world's evil.

00:46:22.900 And certainly the most of the chaos in the world.

00:46:25.620 It's like a lot to take.

00:46:27.260 I'm just being honest.

00:46:27.940 It's a lot to take.

00:46:29.040 And I,

00:46:29.360 and I try to be unflinching and I have a total sincere dedication to telling the truth.

00:46:34.360 But man,

00:46:35.220 the toll it takes to learn all this stuff.

00:46:37.580 You know,

00:46:37.800 there's a,

00:46:38.040 there's a famous tweet about this,

00:46:39.360 like an old tweet.

00:46:40.560 It's,

00:46:40.760 it's,

00:46:41.080 um,

00:46:41.840 uh,

00:46:42.180 if the news are fake,

00:46:43.540 imagine history.

00:46:44.480 Exactly.

00:46:45.080 Well,

00:46:45.620 yeah.

00:46:46.180 And I'm interested in history.

00:46:47.220 Very interesting.

00:46:47.620 It's my primary intellectual interest.

00:46:49.640 And I know it is yours too,

00:46:51.060 because we just spent an hour talking about it off camera.

00:46:53.140 But Oscar Wilde once said,

00:46:54.240 it is,

00:46:54.740 it is the duty of truth tellers to rewrite history.

00:46:57.920 Yeah.

00:46:58.320 And anytime they tell you that you're not allowed to question history,

00:47:00.920 there's something,

00:47:01.460 something's up.

00:47:02.060 Right.

00:47:02.520 Period.

00:47:03.140 Period.

00:47:03.800 I mean,

00:47:04.000 that's true for anything.

00:47:05.900 So,

00:47:06.440 um,

00:47:07.120 yeah.

00:47:07.680 Uh,

00:47:07.920 so I guess I,

00:47:08.920 I don't really know what to say other than my heart is really heavy when I think about it.

00:47:11.960 I think there should be a,

00:47:13.480 a universal demand to release all the 9-11 files.

00:47:17.060 No possible justification for hiding those.

00:47:20.540 Let's do it now.

00:47:21.440 Let's do everything.

00:47:22.640 Certainly that,

00:47:23.740 you know,

00:47:24.080 22 years later,

00:47:24.920 why can't we know why,

00:47:26.360 you know,

00:47:28.000 and it's not about the Saudis.

00:47:29.420 It's whatever.

00:47:31.300 It makes me mad.

00:47:33.260 It makes me mad.

00:47:34.480 So I just,

00:47:35.000 you know,

00:47:35.240 vice presidents have a lot of authority over declassification.

00:47:37.960 You know,

00:47:38.500 that's not something like the weather.

00:47:41.560 That's not something I can control.

00:47:42.860 Well,

00:47:43.280 maybe one day.

00:47:44.080 I'm saying my prayers.

00:47:45.220 We all,

00:47:45.820 we all need to say our prayers.

00:47:46.900 Ladies and gentlemen,

00:47:48.180 Tucker Carlson,

00:47:49.040 the one,

00:47:49.560 the only,

00:47:50.320 I hear you can follow him on X.

00:47:52.360 Yes,

00:47:52.740 you can.

00:47:53.640 X.com.

00:47:54.120 If you like.

00:47:54.700 Tucker Carlson.com.

00:47:55.520 A pleasure.

00:47:56.080 Jack,

00:47:56.340 thank you.

00:47:56.620 That was great.

00:47:57.180 That was awesome.

00:47:57.500 I really enjoyed it.

00:47:58.320 That was awesome.

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 20, 2023

EPISODE 630： EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH TUCKER CARLSON

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