EPISODE 640： THE TRUTH ABOUT WATERGATE WITH ROGER STONE
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Roger Stone joins host Jack Posobiec to discuss Watergate and why the story of Richard Nixon s Watergate scandal is rarely discussed in American history. The truth about Watergate is much darker than the truth about the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
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A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's special edition of Human Events.
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Last year, during the Christmas break, we conducted an interview with Roger Stone that has gone
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viral all year regarding the truth about the assassination of JFK.
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And there's another story that I've always wanted to do an episode with Roger about.
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It's a story that actually involves him, believe it or not, as so many stories do.
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And this is a story that's perhaps even more central to what has happened to our government
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in the intervening years since that fateful day in Dealey Plaza, 1963 to today, about the
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true control and the true nature of power of the United States federal government.
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And this is the story about the truth about Watergate.
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Well, you know, Roger, it's one of those things.
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They say you are the man most closely associated with Nixon, who's still involved in American
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And yet Watergate has always been the story that seems just out of grasp for the American
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Well, because I think at the time we had a completely monolithic media, three major television
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In those days, news magazines like Time and Newsweek, Life, Look, long gone.
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They were extraordinarily powerful and dominant.
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But the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal were rising in their
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And it was it was the accepted narrative essentially invented by two reporters at The Washington Post,
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The problem, of course, is that over time, that narrative has always stood as the standard
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And then the other reason is because John Dean, who really is the perp in all of this,
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So anytime any scholar or author or journalist put forward a book or a movie or a documentary
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questioning his role or what really happened in Watergate, he would threaten to sue them,
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So there's a direct line, Jack, between the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the removal
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of Richard Nixon in a silent coup, as opposed to a bloody coup, as was the case with JFK,
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the attempted removal of Ronald Reagan over Iran-Contra, and the attempted removal of Donald
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Trump in the Russian collusion hoax, and then in two failed impeachments.
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We're talking about the same institutions, the people who killed Kennedy, the people who
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took down Nixon, the people who tried to take down Reagan, the people who tried to take down
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You can call them the military-industrial complex.
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But it is the concentration of unelected power, bureaucrats in our intelligence agencies, in our justice
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department, in the think tanks, in the defense contractors.
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And Richard Nixon posed an existential threat to them in 1973 after winning the greatest single
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Nixon was threatening the power of the Central Intelligence Agency.
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He was threatening to reorganize the national security apparatus.
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And as we will outline here today, that's precisely what happened.
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It's very interesting that just in the last several days, there's been a very good article
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at Politico, and the presidency of Richard Nixon is beginning, finally, to get a re-examination.
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Generally speaking, when you say Nixon, people say, oh, he was a crook.
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He was a politician, and he played politics the way politics was played.
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But he certainly did nothing that his predecessors didn't do, and he certainly did nothing that his
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And yet, for some reason, we've re-examined the JFK narrative to the point where I don't
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think anyone really believes the official JFK narrative anymore.
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There's Oliver Stone movies, there's documentaries, there's millions of talk shows and podcasts
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and books, and yet the Watergate story, but for the yeoman efforts of Tucker Carlson and
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a few others, obviously yourself, has never really been struck down.
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So what I hope that we can do today with this special, and I expect it will go just as viral
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as the JFK one, is that we will begin to actually re-examine the story of Watergate and begin
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to get the ball rolling to fully re-examine what actually happened with all the president's
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And we're back, Human Events special, The Truth About Watergate.
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So, Roger, we're told Watergate is this tale of Richard Nixon orders his committee staff,
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the committee to re-elect the president, CREEP, to conduct a series of burglaries of the DNC
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We're not exactly told why they were conducting these series of burglaries, but we're told
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We're then told that because they get caught, this starts a huge cover-up situation, and
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of course, famously, infamously, these tapes within the Oval Office are found where the
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president is ordering the cover-up, and the president, Nixon himself, is caught red-handed
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on these tapes, ordering the cover-up, ordering the burglary, this is what takes him down,
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this is what leads to, and of course, stunning impeachment inquiries are opened up, Nixon leaves
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the presidency, and we're told that this is the entire story tied up with a bow, and it's
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all thanks to the intrepid journalism of Woodward and Bernstein, and all of the movies and TV shows
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that are made of them, the journalists themselves go on to become mainstays on media, mainstream media,
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for really the rest of their careers, continuing to today, even to the point where they always sort of
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roll Bernstein out to say, this is worse than Watergate, this is worse than Watergate, with every latest
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fake Trump scandal, and it's kind of gotten to the point where people say, well, if he's so wrong about
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everything that's going on in the Trump administration, and we can see that he's been so wrong about all of
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these Trump scandals and Trump hoaxes, went all in on the Russiagate hoax, then of course, it beggars
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the question, was he also just as wrong about Watergate? And then, for me, I think that when I first,
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you know, you caught, what was your red pill moment, as the kids say, they say, what was your first moment?
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And I said, the first moment was when I realized that Mark Felt, the deep throat, was actually one of the
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top officials for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I said, wait a minute, this isn't a
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whistleblower. This is an FBI release going to the media in the same type of operation as Operation
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Mockingbird. Something's not sitting right here. Roger, what's wrong with that story?
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Well, you're right, Jack. That is the official narrative. There's only one minor problem.
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It's bullshit. Look, Richard Nixon had no reason to break into the Watergate. He was leading in the
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polls in 49 states. He carried 49 to 50 states in the greatest landslide in American political history.
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Anyone with any experience in national politics, and Nixon at that point had been on four national
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tickets, knew that there was nothing of any value at the Democratic National Committee to obtain.
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To the extent that there was any action, it would have been over at George McGovern, the Democratic
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candidate's headquarters. So we're still lacking the motive. But the key figure in Watergate, you see
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him on CNN all the time, is John Dean. John Dean was the White House counsel. Now, the mainstream media
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would say that he was a brave hero, that he was a whistleblower. All of that is nonsense.
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John Dean is the man who planned, pushed, executed, and then covered up the Watergate break-in. He did so
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because he wanted to obtain records from a call girl ring that was being utilized by the Democratic
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National Committee. His interest in that was very simple. One of the women who had worked for this
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call girl ring, who was depicted in a portfolio of photographs, happened to be his wife. An excellent
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book by Phil Stanford called White House Call Girl that documents all of this. So it was Dean who pushed
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the entire Watergate break-in. It is Dean who lied to Nixon for 19 months. Dean told Nixon repeatedly
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that no one inside the White House was aware of the break-in in advance or had received the fruits of the
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wiretaps that had been placed in the Watergate, which, by the way, never actually functioned anyway.
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We also know now, only because of recently declassified documents, that the Central Intelligence
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Agency was well aware of the misguided plan pushed by John Dean, but run by a man named G. Gordon Liddy
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to break into the Watergate. Eugenio Martinez, who's still living, who I interviewed for my book on
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Watergate. He is in his 90s, lives in Miami. He had the key to the desk draw where the portfolio of the
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women who had worked in this coral gold ring was kept. He attempted to swallow the key when the men
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were arrested, and that was prevented. Which was, of course, by the way, in the one, you know, sort of
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mainstream movie about this, we were told they were tipped off by the phone call from one Forrest
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Gump. So what we're saying is that when they, so everyone remembers that scene in Forrest Gump,
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but the way to look at it is that they're not going there on the orders of Nixon. They're going
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there on the orders of Dean because he's worried about, and break this down for me a little bit
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here, there's a call girl ring that's operating out of this, well, they're operating out of a hotel
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nearby, but there's a list of the girls. His girlfriend, later wife, is one of the girls on
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that. What you're talking about sounds like a blackmail operation.
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And that's precisely why he wants that information and why he pushes the Watergate break-in. If you
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go to Bob Haldeman's book and also his diary, Nixon is surprised when he learns about the break-in.
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He's in Key Biscayne, he reads it in the newspaper, and he says, what the hell is this? Who would break
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into the Watergate and why? There's no evidence whatsoever that Nixon knew in advance about or ever
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approved the Watergate break-in. Again, there's no reason for him to do so. There's no motive for him
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to do so. There is no information kept at the Democratic National Committee that would be of
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great interest. So he is shocked. Now, the extent that John Dean has gone to to hide his role is really
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quite incredible. He publishes a book several years ago called The Nixon Defense, which he claims is the
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only existing definitive transcription of all of the Watergate tapes. But he very conveniently leaves out
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the tapes of March 13th, 16th, and 17th of 1973. Why would he just leave these out of his books as if they didn't
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exist? That's because when you examine them, they prove that it was John Dean who was pushing the Watergate break-in
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and John Dean who was coaching his client, Richard Nixon, to perjure himself and to engage in the cover-up.
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Then, interestingly enough, a very celebrated left-wing professor named Stanley Cutler actually
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produces a book, but then he reverses the order of these transcriptions to enhance the view of Dean as
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some kind of whistleblower or hero. He gets nailed pretty quickly on that effort. The point, of course,
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is that the CIA not only knows about this, Jack, but they infiltrate the Watergate burglar team and
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four of the eight Watergate burglars are still on the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency.
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Now, this piece, I want to double stomp this. I want to foot stomp it. I want to bookmark this.
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Everyone needs to hear this piece of this. Four of the eight burglars at the Watergate Hotel were still
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on the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency. In fact, at least two of them that we now know of
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also participated in the Bay of Pigs operation. Roger, when you're talking about a CIA call girl
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blackmail operation, the fact that the CIA is taking notice of this, I just have to say this is
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starting to sound like a CIA operation. Well, the Central Intelligence Agency has a great motive in
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the takedown of Nixon. That's because Nixon is fully aware of the CIA's involvement in the murder of John
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Kennedy. Beginning in January of 1969, when he first takes office, Nixon begins demanding all of the
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Central Intelligence Agency records on the JFK hit. And CIA director Richard Helms refuses to turn them
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over to White House counsel John Ehrlichman. This infuriates Nixon because he knows what they're
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covering up. There is, as we now know, a very famous tape just at the beginning of the Watergate scandal
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where Nixon is meeting with Richard Helms, the CIA director in his office. And he basically tells
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Helms what he knows. Now, it's an attempt by Nixon to try to get the assistance of the CIA to fend off the
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wolves coming after him in Watergate. He basically says to Helms, look, there's been a lot of dirty
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business over there, things that needed to be done. He's alluding to the CIA's role in Guatemala and the
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coup there. And God knows I've helped you cover up a lot of things. But let's just say I know who shot
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John. There it is in plain sight. Now, until I wrote that for Substack after after finding
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the actual recording and it being broadcasted by Tucker Carlson, no one has ever focused on this.
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Nixon knew the Central Intelligence Agency's deepest secret. So the connection to the Central
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Intelligence Agency and the Kennedy assassination is absolutely clear. But it's also why Gerald Ford
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was chosen to succeed Nixon. Nixon was cornered. The national media had so turned on him that he
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went within a year and a half of being the most popular president in American history to be a reviled
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villain. Barry Goldwater and Senator Hugh Scott came to him and said, look, the articles of impeachment
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are being have been passed in the House. You don't have the votes to survive in the Senate. Your best
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bet is to survive. Now, folks won't remember this, but Vice President Spiro Agnew was also an outsider
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hated by the establishment, had gotten caught in a really venal corruption scandal and had been forced
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to resign in return for not going to prison. And therefore, Nixon was in the position of having to
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choose appoint a new vice president subject to the confirmation of the U.S. Senate. And of all people,
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he chose Gerald Ford, who was the House Minority Leader. When I asked Alexander Haig, who was Nixon's
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White House Chief of Staff, why he had taken Ford rather than, say, Barry Goldwater or Nelson Rockefeller
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or several others who were more logical, Haig said, look, Nixon had Ford by the balls.
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Nixon knew that in the Warren Commission, as a member of the Warren Commission, Gerald Ford had gone in at
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the request of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and with a pencil, changed the formal autopsy diagram of JFK,
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moving the depiction of the wound in Kennedy's upper back to the base of his neck, a rear, the rear of the
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base of his neck to fit the cockamamie single bullet theory. So Nixon realized that he had this leverage
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on Ford. Agnew, he used to joke, was his life insurance policy. Hell, they'll never impeach me if they think
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Agnew's going to become president, but Agnew was gone.
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They get rid of Agnew. Roger, we're coming up on a quick break. You're walking through
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some of the darkest secrets of the government, the darkest secrets of the deep state,
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the darkest secrets, in fact, of the mainstream media. Stay tuned. We've got more coming up next.
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Human Events Special, The Truth About Watergate.
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And we're back. Human Events Special Edition, The Truth About Watergate.
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The break-in of Watergate, sent by agents of the CIA, who, by the way, later admit this,
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it publicly, after they've served their time, after the investigations have been done,
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break into the Watergate Hotel, not for political purposes, but to find the list of names of a call
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girl ring that's been operating nearby and in the area, and the list specifically of their clients
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that is in one of the desks of the offices there. Then, at the same time, when in the fallout of this,
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Speer-Wagnew is replaced by Gerald Ford as the vice president. But Roger, before we go into
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to pick up the story of Ford, I want to ask you this. When I hear this situation,
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a CIA blackmail ring of girls, call girls, prostitutes, and specifically not just the
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names of the girls, but the names of the clients, I have to say that this sounds awfully reminiscent
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of a certain man who had a similar operation down in the Caribbean, who is also no longer with us,
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who's named Jeffrey Epstein. Because while we can seem to find evidence of Epstein, evidence of his
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lieutenants like Ghislaine Maxwell, evidence of the girls' names who have come out publicly,
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I say this is the first time there has been a sex ring where we can find no clients of the ring
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itself. And the tapes and the black book all seem to disappear. Why does this seem so similar to me,
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Roger? Well, I think it's important to recognize that the call girl ring in question, run by a woman
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named Heidi Reichen, is not only providing girls for Democratic dignitaries when they visit town,
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as booked through the Democratic National Committee. They're also providing girls for
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the State Department, for the Republican National Committee, and the little black book of Heidi Reichen
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is actually published in Phil Stanford's book. It has some very interesting people in it. For example,
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Senator Lowell Weicker, Nixon's leading critic in the Watergate investigation,
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member of the Watergate Senate Committee. You can see why he wouldn't want those records to come out. Or
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Sam Dash, the chief counsel to the Senate Watergate Committee. Why would his name be in Heidi Reichen's book?
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Or for that matter, why would John Dean? His name's in the book, although he has a code name, which is
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clout. Hmm, interesting. So the real purpose of the Watergate break-in is to obtain, particularly,
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the portfolio of girls who are available, which I contend, as does Stanford, includes Dean's wife,
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Maureen Dean. In her own book, she actually has a picture of her husband and herself and Heidi Reichen,
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the woman who ran this call girl ring. So to kind of fast forward, I think that covers the motive.
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We've also covered the CIA's involvement and advanced knowledge. A White House, pardon me,
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a Watergate prosecutor named Nick Ackerman, who appears regularly now on MSNBC, by the way,
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he's called me a Russian spy and worse. We now have from declassified documents absolute proof
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that he knew of the CIA's involvement and knowledge of Watergate, but he did nothing about it. The
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chairman of the committee, Sam Irvin of North Carolina, wouldn't even allow a minority report
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to be published. That's because Senator Howard Baker, the ranking Republican on the committee,
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and his counsel, Fred Thompson, later a U.S. Senator from Tennessee himself, knew of the Central
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Intelligence Agency's knowledge and involvement in the break-in, and therefore the larger picture.
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The reason Nixon takes Ford is because he knows that he has the goods on Ford, because he knows
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what Ford did as a member of the Warren Commission, helping cover up the murder of John F. Kennedy,
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and he uses that information to get a pardon from Gerald Ford. General Alexander Haig, later
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Nixon's White House Chief of Staff, is the one who brokers that pardon, letting Jerry Ford know that if,
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well, if Nixon's going down, he says, he's taking everybody with him. Ford got the message loud and clear.
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You're absolutely right about the fact that E. Howard Hunt, the famous Watergate burglar, who was also
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just coincidentally on the ground in Dealey Plaza on November 22nd, 1963, says on his deathbed to his
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son, St. John Hunt, who I co-authored a book, The Bush Crime Family with, that it was a CIA operation
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to kill John Kennedy, but that Lyndon Baines Johnson was running the show, his exact words. He referred to
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it as the big event. So Nixon had to be removed for the same reason that they tried to remove Donald
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Trump. He posed an existential threat to the permanent uniparty deep state apparatus running the country and
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seeking to run the globe. Now, President Trump has asked me several times about Nixon and Watergate.
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Nixon and Trump famously met in George Steinbrenner, the owner of the New York Yankees box at Yankee
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Stadium. Nixon came away extraordinarily impressed. He called me the next day and he said, well,
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I met your man, Trump. And let me tell you, if he gets into politics, this guy could go all the way.
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And I said, well, sir, are you saying he should run for governor of New York? No,
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no. He said, I think he can go all the way. And there is, as you know, Jack, a famous letter
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that Nixon handwrites to Donald Trump the day after meeting him, telling him that Nixon and Mrs. Nixon
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both agree that Trump has what it takes if he ever decides to get into the political arena. But the
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question that Trump has specifically posed to me, Jack, is why did Nixon throw in the towel? Why did he
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quit? Why didn't he fight it out? That is, after all, not very Trumpian. The answer is because there
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was no internet. There was no social media. There were no alternative news outlets. We were stuck with
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one narrative, their narrative. In fact, when Nixon has a press conference and he specifically says,
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look, the people have a right to know whether their president is a crook. Well, I am not a crook.
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That gets turned on him with a vengeance. Yet there's no evidence whatsoever that unlike Lyndon Johnson,
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who made millions and millions of dollars through his stock holdings in the war in Vietnam and its
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escalation done at his direction, Richard Nixon never earned a dishonest penny in his life. He leaves
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Washington dirt broke. Actually, he leaves town deep in debt to his lawyers. He's the only former
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president who will not take a penny after leaving the presidency, will not serve on any boards,
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will not give any paid speeches, will take no honorariums. He basically regains his financial
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health by writing a series of New York Times bestselling books on foreign policy. And he reinvents
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himself as a sage advisor to every post-Nixonian president until his death, visiting the Soviet
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Union and China and advising Bill Clinton, George Bush, and so on.
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This is an incredible tale, Roger, because I think for all these years, and by the way,
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and I'll ask a little bit of this in the next segment, this is the same story that you've stuck to
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since the early 1970s when all of this began. It's just only now that because of the intervening years,
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the intervening efforts, and really the pushback has gone so far, right? The powers that be have gone
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so far, the mainstream media has gone so far, and we now have the ability, as you say, to disintermediate
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the narratives. We can disintermediate the big three papers and the big three channels that used to
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control the mono narrative within the United States and within the West, and we have the ability to
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simply share this true information. And if you can take one thing out of this, just one thing,
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that's all you need, is the fact that four of the eight Watergate burglars were on the current payroll
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of the Central Intelligence Agency when they conducted that break-in. And if you hadn't heard
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that information, you need to put it all the way forward. Oliver Stone, if you're listening, I think that
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Stone and Stone, Roger Stone, have a movie that you could potentially put together. I don't know
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if Kevin Costner is still involved, but maybe we can find someone to play your prosecutor. We have the
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ability now to go back to disintermediate these narratives and find out the truth about the wool
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that's been pulled over the eyes of people like Woodward and Bernstein at the Washington Post, people who
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never should have been given those positions to begin with. Stay tuned, coming up more with Roger Stone.
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We are back here sitting with Roger Stone. He's telling us the full story of the truth behind
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Watergate. Now, Roger, I want to walk through a little bit, and I teased a bit at the beginning
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of this, that for you, this isn't just a story that you've read about or that you've watched on TV.
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You were actually there. So can you put us in the sort of the desk, put us in the office,
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the committee to reelect the president? You're there. This is all happening around you. You're
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you and you're kind of just getting started in politics. And suddenly all of this is thrown at
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you and the entire media is lying. What was that like? It was horrific. I was 19 years old. I was the
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youngest member of the staff of the committee to reelect the president. My boss, a guy named Bart
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Porter, was involved in the cover up. He worked for Jeb Stuart Magruder. It's kind of funny. The weekend
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of the break in, I was house sitting because Porter was in California with the rest of the Nixon staff
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and he had dogs. He had a very nice house in the Spring Valley area of DC. And I would say after
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midnight, the phone rang and I picked it up and it said, this is Gordon Liddy. Let me talk to Porter.
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I said, I'm sorry, Mr. Porter is out of town for the weekend. And Liddy used the F-bomb and hung up.
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About 20 minutes later, the phone rang again. It was James McCord, one of the other Watergate
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burglars who said, this is James McCord. I'm calling for Herbert Bart Porter. I said, I'm sorry,
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Mr. Porter is out of town. He said, out of town. I said, yes, sir. Can I take a message? He said,
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yeah, tell him McCord called. Tell him I said, the jig is up. So that's why when I saw the next day,
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a man named Van Shumway, spokesman for the committee to reelect the president, hold a press conference
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and say, no one at the committee to reelect the president had any knowledge of the Watergate break-in.
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I knew that that was not true. But you mentioned Bob Woodward and his role in this. You see,
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Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were the two reporters at the Washington Post who kind of broke
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this story. Woodward has gone to great lengths to hide the fact that he was a veteran of naval
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intelligence. And his job in naval intelligence was briefing none other than White House Chief of
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Staff, Al Haig, and Admiral Thomas Maurer, who was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Maurer,
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by the way before his death, confirmed that for me. It's in, I think, both of the books that I have
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written on Watergate and Richard Nixon. So this whole idea that Mark Felt, the deputy director of
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the FBI, Mark Felt is not Deep Throat. Deep Throat is actually General Alexander Haig. There's a couple
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reasons why Felt comes forward. First of all, by the time Felt self-identifies as Deep Throat,
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he's had a stroke and he can no longer speak. So his daughter is speaking for him. He's also indigent
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and a lot of good, lucrative, journalistic opportunities come his way. The reason that
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Woodward and Bernstein, who know that Mark Felt is not Deep Throat, embrace this falsehood is because
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it was getting pretty hot. Too many people were putting together the pieces and realized that Mark Felt
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had actually left the FBI and would never have been in a position to know the information that
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Deep Throat, as a source, allegedly gave the two Washington Post reporters about Watergate.
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But here's the other thing, Jack. Their famous book, All the President's Men, no mention of Deep Throat.
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The movie starring Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman as Woodward and Bernstein,
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No mention of Deep Throat there either. So Deep Throat only comes up later as kind of a catch-all.
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I think Deep Throat is actually a composite of a number of sources who want Nixon to be taken down.
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But there's a great book called Haig's Coup by Ray Locker of USA Today that makes an overwhelming case
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that General Alexander Haig, who had become Nixon's chief of staff after he was forced to fire Bob
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Haldeman because of his involvement in Watergate, is Deep Throat. Woodward goes to the extent of
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getting Locker fired from his job at USA Today simply because he's written this great book.
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For anyone who doubts that General Haig is Deep Throat, they should check that book out.
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And two of the other books that I've gone through in really understanding this, and these are not
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new books. These are books that have been out for a long time. It's just that so many people have
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refused to just go and do the work of looking at them. And these are well-researched, full of FOIA
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documents, full of direct interviews, Secret Agenda, and you mentioned the one already, Silent Coup.
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And in those books, they do the work. And even the first one there, Secret Agenda by Jim Haugen,
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was only written in 1984, so just a few years after the events itself. And he really begins to start to
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wind back the narrative and dispel some of these myths. Silent Coup goes even further to specifically
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lay out, I believe 1991, essentially the narrative that we are saying now, that this was not a cover-up
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of a break-in conducted by Nixon. This was a coup of Nixon by the CIA, what we would now call the Deep
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State, to get him out of office. Yeah, and it's interesting that both Haugen, who wrote a great book,
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and also Len Kolodny, who passed away recently, was a great source for my books and a great
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protagonist to John Dean, underwent years and years and years of litigation in which Dean sought to
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silence them. The other great book, written by James Rosen, now at Newsmax, formerly with Fox,
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a great reporter. The Strong Man, a biography of John Mitchell, who I worked for as a deputy in the 1968
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campaign, more of a gopher but an assistant, is another guy who faced enormous litigation challenges
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from Dean. That book is a masterpiece, The Strong Man by James Rosen. I have besieged Rosen to put it
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back out in paperback, it's that good. Unfortunately, although Rosen never flinched, I think his
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publisher did flinch, and they never gave the book the kind of promotion that it deserves. It is one
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of the greatest political biographies I've ever read, but it is also a very good, clean delineation
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about the truth about Watergate. John Mitchell, who was Attorney General of the United States,
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Nixon's former law partner, would go to prison over Watergate, but would maintain to his dying day
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that he never approved the Watergate break-in. I believe that he was right. The Watergate break-in
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was approved by Jeb Stuart Magruder under the remorseless prodding of John W. Dean, who now you can see on CNN
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regularly with this extraordinary criticism of Trump. Before that it was the Bushes. Everything's worse
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than Watergate. Never forget John Dean was disbarred for his activities. The Watergate special prosecutors
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found enormous discrepancies between Dean's testimony to the prosecutors and his testimony to the Senate
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Watergate Committee, and a number of discrepancies in his book, Blind Ambition, which he later tries
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to go back and blame on Taylor Branch, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author who Ghost wrote that book.
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And by the way, Roger, and I even pulled up some of the reporting that Rosen had done just before the
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interview here, and Dean at one of these defamation trials, by the way, the defamation suit which he
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launches, he then later in deposition uh repudiates his own book. We said that he's first he claims he didn't
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write his book, then he claims he didn't even read his book. Well that I might believe. You will see this
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guy on CNN, they tried him every time they need him out, every time they need somebody to say whatever
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has just transpired is worse than Watergate. Let's let's take that for a moment, because I think it's a key
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point. In Watergate, a group of misguided private citizens decide for political reasons led on by
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John Dean to break into the Watergate. They make a hash of it. They have to go in twice. James McCord,
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who is still on the payroll of the CIA, mysteriously disappears for hours at a time during the breakout
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period. Not very clear where he was. He's the one who ultimately writes to the Watergate burglars
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judge, John Sirica, uh telling him that there's been a cover-up. Uh we also know, based on a book
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written by Jeff Shepard, uh that Judge John Sirica, who's the great hero of Watergate, the guy who put
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so much pressure on the Watergate burglars that he broke the scandal wide open, he was meeting illegally
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with the Watergate prosecutors repeatedly, ex-partite, uh without knowledge of the Watergate
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burglars defendant lawyers. He would have been disbarred and removed from the judiciary, uh if
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that was known at the time. So- Roger, quick, quick break. Pin in there for one second. Be right back.
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Roger Stone extolling us with the story of Watergate. Roger, we're back. Let's pick up exactly where you were.
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Uh so in any event, uh I'm glad to see finally the presidency of Richard Nixon getting a re-examination.
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This is a president who reached a strategic arms limitation with the Soviets, the president who
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ended the war in Vietnam, the president who ended the military draft, the president who gave us the
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18-year-old vote, the candidate who launched the war on cancer, uh the candidate who unilaterally,
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over the objections of uh national security advisor Henry Kissinger uh and the joint chiefs of staff
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makes the decision to airlift 36 million dollars worth of lethal aid to Israel uh during the 1973
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Yom Kippur war universally recognized as having saved Israel from total annihilation. Uh this is the
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the same president who very cleverly decides to snatch China away from Russia at a time that China
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is a dirt poor, completely non-technical, agrarian, backward society. So with those who say, oh,
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China's our great adversary today, it's Nixon's fault. No, Nixon had no way of knowing uh that later,
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30 years later uh the Bushes and the Clintons would give China most favored nation trading status and
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Bill Clinton would actually sell them our top military missile targeting secrets through a company
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called Loral in return for illegal campaign contributions. So uh Nixon basically plays the
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Chinese and the Russians off against each other. Although they're both communist nations,
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they have a deep distrust of each other and a long common border. Uh it was genius at the time it was
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done. There was no way to see uh that China would rise uh thanks to the uh bad decisions of both uh
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Bush uh and Clinton. So Nixon is beginning, I think, finally. Also, by the way, I should mention,
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desegregates the public schools uh points more African Americans to federal office than LBJ and JFK
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combined uh begins the office of minority enterprise uh really is the founder of the concept of black
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capitalism because a rising tide lifts all boats uh a truly great president uh in retrospect finally
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getting a re-examination of his actual record whereas prior today when people said Nixon
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they people would simply say oh Watergate he's a crook uh and dismiss him. So uh Vivek Ramaswamy
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uh has been very articulate on this subject that Nixon's accomplishments as president need to be
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re-examined uh but the precursor for that, Jack, has to be a re-examination of Watergate. It is a
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silent coup by the same exact people who tried to take Donald Trump down in the Russian collusion hoax uh
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and in the two fake impeachments. This is something that's a very important for us as we go forward
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into the 2024 election, Roger, because I I think more and more and and and look I was on a
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x spaces with you know no less than Alex Jones to my right and and Elon Musk to my left. I'm not saying
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that politically speaking I'm just saying we're all there and we're having this discussion about these
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very same forces Roger these very same forces that seek to throw us into war they seek to put us into
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war with Russia the same way they wanted war with Russia that Nixon was a backstop against throughout the
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entire cold war and they are back at it again but now we potentially have the ability to put a populist
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nationalist in office who understands the power of national sovereignty understands the correct use of
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American power on the international stage and Roger it is those very same forces that pushed out Nixon
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and Watergate that took out JFK through other means that are now allied against Trump. That's exactly right
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and as I said earlier Nixon could not have survived in 1973 largely because there was no alternative news
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platform that is today the internet so there was no platform for which he could successfully launch a
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counter-attack. Trump could never have been elected in 2016 without a vibrant and wide open fair free
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internet that's I will I will say that that that human events had just gotten started but they weren't
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quite big enough yet we're trying to rectify that now well actually if you look go back and look at it
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human events was one of the few uh national outlets that defended Nixon throughout Watergate and we were
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proud to do so still but but it was but it was uh you know it was a it was a conventional newspaper
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there was no internet those who recognize uh what that the legalization and the establishment of the
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internet led to the election of Trump have been trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube ever since
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that's why we've seen this war of censorship first they did it through the social media programs having
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the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI work directly with executives at Twitter Facebook Instagram
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uh Google and elsewhere uh to silence people like you and I and Alex Jones and many many others
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uh but now that Elon who I think is a great hero uh and a man who's really changed the course of
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history uh has exposed all of that what do they do they move above the social media companies
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to attempt through the FCC to control the internet at its source so the Biden administration has put
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forward regulations uh that would allow them to censor in the name of equity uh at the source of the
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internet so this is the very reason they want to turn this off they want to take us down Roger
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Stone and an incredible story an incredible tale the truth and by the way I would also say the fact
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that you have lived in politics in this political life for so long and survived everything they have thrown
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at you is just proving the age-old saying that the only reason that Roger has survived this long is because
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as they say you cannot get blood from a stone a man is not finished uh when he's defeated he is only
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finished when he quits amen Roger where can people go to follow you to get your book on this and all the
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latest updates please go to stonezone.com stonezone.com you can see my daily show on rumble which is at
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tucker carlson or your very own roger stone did nothing wrong t-shirt but jack thanks for having
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me and thanks for giving me the opportunity to correct the historical record of what really
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happened in watergate well roger oliver wild once said it is the goal and the duty of truth tellers to
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rewrite history and that is what we are doing rewriting false history with the truth about
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watergate ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay ashore