This is what happens when the Fourth Turning meets 5th Generation Warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran, Jack Posobiec, joins host Jack Edwards ( ) to discuss the latest in the latest headlines.
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00:20:13.180You know, during the break, I was going over this theory that you have of Epstein as this, the bag man of the deep state, where it, as you say, it seems like he's involved in a lot of different operations.
00:20:26.140He's got his fingers in many different things.
00:20:28.720And truly, when you get to the overstate level, that's how these people tend to work, that their assets and their nodes that aren't necessarily being run by one thing, but they've got different taskings by different agencies, by different events, different groups, I guess you could say, at different times.
00:20:50.700One of the people that this reminds me of is Victor Bout.
00:20:53.820Now, we don't have any indications that Victor Bout was involved in child sex trafficking, but certainly involved when it came to guns, when it came to money trafficking, money laundering, and obviously arms laundering.
00:21:07.480And that was kind of the Russian version of this.
00:21:09.800And then with Jeffrey Epstein, what do you find?
00:21:48.380Does anyone know anyone who's had New York prime real estate rented to them directly by the State Department?
00:21:56.580Well, we know one case of that, which is Jeffrey Epstein.
00:22:01.040I mean, talk about being a bag man for the deep state, you have the literal State Department in 1996 rented out a seized property, seized Iranian real estate in New York.
00:22:13.820They seized it from this Iranian tycoon and directly lent it out, leased it out to none other than Jeffrey Epstein, a direct State Department lease to, you know, this.
00:22:26.900What the heck is the State Department doing with a transaction like that?
00:22:31.060And what's really funny is Epstein didn't get in trouble for this property transaction until he then subleased the property to a lawyer for free.
00:22:40.960So the lawyer was was paying nothing for this.
00:22:43.420By the way, you can read this on my timeline on X right now.
00:22:46.020If you go to at Mike Ben Cyber, you can see the article I'm referencing here from BuzzFeed where it goes through this whole thing.
00:22:51.480But Jeffrey Epstein turned around and took that State Department Central Park apartment from the State Department and leased it out to essentially the mob lawyer from the French Connection and Pizza Connection drug rings.
00:23:04.420This was this guy was the was the lawyer for the mob defending the mob against running international racketeering and drug laundering charges from the from the 70s and 80s.
00:23:16.160So you have this direct transaction from the State Department to Jeffrey Epstein to mob lawyers involved in international narcotics trafficking.
00:23:24.600How can you explain that simultaneous with the data point that that you have an assistant attorney general of the United States Justice Department saying Epstein belonged to intelligence while the intelligence arms over diplomacy wing?
00:23:40.240The State Department was simultaneously doing real estate deals with the guy while he was passing it on then to the seedy underbelly of the mob world.
00:23:49.840And this this this is this is really key, because there are times when and and Ben's walk us through this a little bit, because why is it that we see so often this overlap between the interests of what what I've called the overstate, the regime?
00:24:07.840Central intelligence, I'm not going to say that, you know, just the CIA, but also these these intelligence agencies and then organized crime and because to me, it's it's it's it's really the fact that you have you have people who have a certain set of skills right to use the 18 reference or and the taken reference in order to procure to move items to do so surreptitiously to get the job done.
00:24:33.840And so you'll see these connections between.
00:24:36.840And I think people know the connections between the FBI and the mob go back quite some time.
00:24:40.840Oh, yeah. Well, you know, there's a lot of reasons for this.
00:24:44.840A lot of times the blob, our national security state, our Defense Department, State Department and CIA, we need dirty things done oftentimes, but we don't want to claim responsibility for doing them.
00:24:58.840So we need relations with mob type organizations or sometimes it's union, you know, sort of seedy unions or sometimes it's money laundering activity in order to do these things in a, quote, plausibly disclaimable way.
00:25:13.840That is plausibly deniable way. That was actually the impetus for the construction of the CIA under the 1947 National Security Act was to create a cloak and dagger agency that had plausible deniability powers.
00:25:26.840That is, is they could do anything, essentially anything they wanted at the time they were engaged in assassinations, government overthrows, election rigging, working with the mob, you name it, as long as they could publicly deny responsibility for it.
00:25:40.840But this goes back a long time. So, for example, in this case that we're talking about with Epstein, what was Epstein doing with the mob lawyer for both the French connection and the pizza connection cases now that the pizza connection, the French connection story involved essentially heroin processing facilities in France that were used for laundering money for U.S. proxy wars.
00:26:04.840See, when, when, when the U.S. was fighting against Mao in the 1940s, we were propping up the, the, the, the, the Kuomintang, the KMT, Chiang Kai-shek against the Chinese.
00:26:17.400Yes, right. Nationalists against the communists, but we, we couldn't get congressional appropriations for it. So we came up with a really cute trick.
00:26:23.380We, we, we realized that the KMT was sitting on golden triangle opium. And if we could use CIA proprietary airplanes to fly that opium to, to essentially to Italian drug networks and to French drug processing facilities, we could fund the proxy war in China by creating a heroin economy facilitated by the CIA.
00:26:45.760Now we had these relationships with the Italian mob because we worked with them in the 1930s to go against Mussolini. Now this is a, a government, which is that we work with the groups that the government were trying to topple is prosecuting. So criminal gangs, for example, in Iran in the 1950s were being persecuted by the government there.
00:27:09.560So the CIA and the state department worked with the criminal gangs in Iran, same thing in Turkey, same thing in Greece, same thing in Italy. We worked with the Southern Italian mafia groups in the 1930s to establish a beachhead against Mussolini.
00:27:22.700When, when, when, when, when World War II ended, we maintained those relationships to serve as a, as a buffer against Soviet influence, communist influence in, uh, during, for the, in perpetuity throughout the cold war.
00:27:35.980And so you, we had these, they served an essential function to be able to launder money that would then be used for proxy wars that did not, could not get congressional appropriations.
00:27:48.200Well, and, and, and this, this would, this, these types of things have all been cleared up, by the way, none of this would be going on with the cartels in the border and fentanyl currently. I mean, that would just be, that would just be insane, right?
00:27:59.580Oh, heaven forfend. I mean, you know, it's, uh, what's really funny is, you know, both of the major, uh, cartel groups, uh, in, in Mexico, as well as the largest cocaine, uh, cartel in Colombia, all have deep, intricate ties with the, uh, with the central network.
00:28:18.200The central intelligence agency. If you look at the relationship between the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico or the, uh, or the Medellin cartel in Colombia, you will find a long and industrious history of the top cartel members time after time, having a long time relationship with the central intelligence agency, as did, uh, you know, the, the leaders in, in Panama, you know, what were the, you had, uh, almost, almost all of the top leaders of these gangs work with the DEA and the CIA before ultimately going,
00:28:48.180nationalists for their own people. And then suddenly turning into the bad kind of cartel members. But then beyond that, you know, you, you have things like fast and furious, you know, fast and furious was, was a situation where just like with Bill Barr and Jeffrey Epstein, you had a situation where the highest law enforcement officer in the land, that is the head of the justice department. At the time it was Eric Holder. This is during the Obama reign.
00:29:11.180Eric Holder. The reason that he got impeached and held in contempt by Congress and kicked out Congress is because he fell on the grenade of the, the interagency. Fast and Furious was an FBI ATF gun, gun walking operation to send guns to the Sinaloa cartel over the Arizona border. They set up gun shops to, to, to, to give basically no check, uh, guns to walk them over.
00:29:38.080Now fast and furious had the approval of the state department of the, uh, of, of the FBI, of the ATF and the national security council. That's going to encompass the CIA. So they had an interagency remit to arm Mexican drug cartels.
00:29:56.420Now, this was, of course, going back to the fact that, that the rival drug gang at the time, the Zetas was at the time currently poaching U S national interest in the, in the oil and gas space in Mexico. We source a lot of our oil from Mexico.
00:30:10.100So I personally, who was, who was training, who was training the Zetas, uh, in the first place?
00:30:15.640Well, it's the U S military. Oh, well, also the Israeli military. Yeah. But, but, you know, you have this, this, we set up these proxy groups, right? Well, the nature of war changed in the 1940s where we had to, we had to start fighting.
00:30:31.220Mike, I'm just looking at the time. I realized, I realized we're bad clock management on my end. Where can people go to follow you? Get all of the information. These proxy wars.
00:30:39.320Follow me on X special at Mike Benz, Mike Benz cyber, breaking it all down. He's got to have huge scoops on news guard coming out as well. The proxy wars, the funding, the money, the blackmail, and it all ran through Epstein's Lolita Island.
00:30:59.540Where is Jack? Where is Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.
00:31:09.320Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting policies on as people face this decision. You said rightly or wrongly, chaos follows him. Is it rightly or wrongly?
00:31:27.000Is he the one who causes that chaos or is he just the unwitting victim?
00:31:30.800It's both. I mean, you see a lot of these cases they brought against him are political in nature, and there's no basis on it. And then you see some that he's going to have to answer for. But look, I'm not telling you anything I used to tell him. I used to tell him he's his own worst enemy.
00:31:47.540So you got Nikki Haley up there last night on, goes to CNN and says that Trump deserves the charges against him. Gavin Wax from the New York Young Republicans joins us now. Gavin, what do you make of that comment?
00:32:05.220The fact that not only does she say that some of the charges are warranted, but also that he needs to answer for some of these charges.
00:32:14.740I mean, I would ask Birdbrain, what are these what are these cases that have merit? What are these cases that have any basis in law? I mean, they're all politicized. They're all baseless. They're all an attack on our republic. They're an attack on Trump. They're meant to manipulate the entire electoral process in favor of the radical left that control these institutions from the judiciary to the district attorneys to every major institution in this country.
00:32:42.920And if Republicans don't recognize that, that they shouldn't be running for president, they shouldn't be running for any office from, you know, president down to local dog catcher.
00:32:50.980We need people that understand what time we're living in. And the entire system is being weaponized against us, against conservatives, against Republicans, from the J6ers to President Trump to anybody.
00:33:02.260And if they can get away with this against President Trump, they'll certainly do it to many more people, many of his supporters, many of his more vocal supporters.
00:33:10.880And we don't have time for vapid politicos like Nikki Haley, who has been on the wrong side of every major issue and every major turning point in American political history over the last two decades, from the Confederate statues to BLM, now to this, many more, I'm sure, her relations with China, whatever it is.
00:33:29.000So it just goes to show she's not ready for prime time.
00:33:32.300What she's really doing here is the exact same thing that you saw from the DeSantis camp of basically saying that she thinks that she can get the, here's the real reason she's doing this.
00:33:41.540She's the reason she's doing this is because she knows the only way that either her or DeSantis, and she does appear to be pulling ahead of him right now, can actually become the nominee,
00:33:50.940is if the deep state is able to take Trump out of the race, whether by taking him off the ballot, whether it's one of the indictments, whatever it is.
00:33:59.520So she's going along with them the same way that DeSantis and his crew went along with this because they know it's their only chance.
00:34:07.660And I guarantee you that is exactly what she's running around telling donors right now because she's going to say he's going to lose his support, he'll be convicted, he'll be taken off the ballot, one of these things, and that's why we have to go in.
00:34:21.440Before we move on, I want to play another clip.
00:34:24.880I know, guys, I want to play, since we are here on January 6th Eve, I'd love to play the clip of Ron DeSantis when he was asked about the January 6th defendants.
00:34:46.680I mean, that was not a good day for the country.
00:34:48.480I think the media has taken that, and I think the left has taken that and really tried to politicize it, but it was not a good day for the country.
00:35:00.800Both of these losers are employing a strategy that you just outlined.
00:35:05.180They're trying to, especially in New Hampshire, which is an open primary, they're trying to win over independents and Democrats to vote in the Republican primary in New Hampshire.
00:35:13.580They want to boost up, obviously, Ron DeSantis' numbers because he's going to have an embarrassing performance there.
00:35:18.500And obviously, Nikki has been polling slightly ahead.
00:35:22.900So they're trying to appeal to the left.
00:35:25.120They're trying to appeal to the Democrats, to these left-wing independents, whatever it is.
00:35:29.120And they're trying to fight over the small slice of the Republican electorate that's anti-Trump and that's, you know, that hates the Jan Sixers.
00:35:55.260He's done nothing to support them in their plight.
00:35:57.920I was at Bedminster multiple times just this past year for multiple fundraisers that President Trump attended and spoke at for the Jan Sixers, where they raised money for legal fees, where they raised money for them.
00:36:08.980He's actually fighting for them day in, day out.
00:36:11.360I even know at our gala that he met with many of them.
00:36:13.420We had a whole table of Jan Sixers at the New York Republican Club gala that he met with before he took the stage.
00:36:32.140I don't know what consultants are advising them on this, but it's really, really bad, and it's only going to get worse for them, especially after this primary is over because their political future is just going down the toilet.
00:36:41.380Well, this is really what gets me, too, especially with DeSantis going after the Jan Sixers protesters because you had – look, people have said 50,000.
00:36:52.000People have estimated as many as 100,000 people that were there that day.
00:36:57.440The people that I saw were extremely patriotic.
00:37:01.120They were displaying extreme patriotism, and as President Trump said at your gala, he said, yeah, I am a MAGA extremist because I extremely want to make America great again.
00:37:13.440And so this idea that it's – oh, go ahead.
00:37:17.520No, I was just going to say, Jack, I mean, where has Ron DeSantis been with all the revelations about the unindicted co-conspirators, Ray Epps, the Fed involvement?
00:37:26.740I mean, he wants to – they're overcharging.
00:37:29.240They're persecuting these poor people, many of whom were just, you know, honest, middle American folks coming out.
00:37:34.820They walked in when they were welcomed in by Capitol Police.
00:37:38.320And now they're sitting in jail cells.
00:37:40.600Which, by the way, his own campaign team has spent so much time of 2023 attacking Trump for saying that Trump should have pardoned everybody, that Trump should have done everything,
00:37:54.120that he should have raised money, even though they were not charged before he left office, and also that he has been raising money for them at Bedminster, at the New York Gala.
00:38:06.460He released a song where he's doing the Star Spangled Banner and the National Anthem, which, by the way, all is to say, you know, you can say – I'd be perfectly fine if he just came out and said, I don't – or I guess at least DeSantis is being honest.
00:38:20.200The campaign was being dishonest to say that Trump didn't do anything, but then DeSantis comes out and undercuts his own campaign's talking points and at least says something honest.
00:38:29.780He said – and he just said, I have disdain for these people.
00:38:32.540I don't think they were patriotic, and he's showing that same type of elitist disdain that I think a lot of people have come to associate with Washington, D.C.
00:38:40.320Yeah, and his whole campaign has taken on this new milieu, just embracing the Beltway, embracing, you know, at most these mundane, you know, conservatarian positions of yesteryear.
00:38:52.080And then at the same time, in his other breath, they're just completely accepting the left's frame, the left's narrative on January 6th on the politicized prosecution and persecution of the president.
00:39:02.500I mean, these are the key issues of our day and age.
00:39:04.900These are the key issues facing our country, our republic, how our institutions are being turned against our own people, against honest, hardworking American citizens.
00:39:13.820And these guys are just completely falling over backwards to get headpats from CNN.
00:39:19.440And it's pathetic, one, again, because it just goes to show they have no principles.
00:39:22.880But it's even more pathetic because it's not going to do anything for them.
00:39:25.380And like you're saying right now, he's undercutting constantly the talking points in the narratives that his own little surrogate army are constantly promoting online with their bots in tow.
00:40:35.020And if you believe otherwise, then I'd really I'd really like to ask Ron DeSantis, what side do you want?
00:40:41.020The same way when I hear Nikki Haley, which cases, Nick, which cases are the ones Trump has to answer for?
00:40:46.380You're going to you're going to lay it out for us.
00:40:47.920Is it the Mar-a-Lago ridiculous case when he had his own documents and they claim that he stole documents that were his as the commander in chief?
00:40:55.020Was it Manhattan where they're claiming this ridiculous felony was a crime that's never been chosen or never been charged regarding campaign finance?
00:41:06.760Well, you're sitting there in your little mansion that Boeing paid for off right right off of the beautiful island there in South Carolina.
00:42:03.880So when President Trump was at the gala in New York City there, which we attended, he made a huge point of saying that when he came to the dinner there at Cipriani's Wall Street, he said, I'm not just here to speak to the organization.
00:42:19.900He said, I'm here because we're putting New York into play.
00:42:23.300And he went on further with Breitbart earlier this week to say that they want to put New Jersey in play, Virginia in play.
00:42:30.480I would argue Virginia is obviously in play in 2024.
00:43:46.400People are now equating it with bribes to local elected officials and, you know, influencers and other thought leaders, however you want to describe these people, at least in a positive light.
00:43:55.740And it hasn't moved the needle at all.
00:43:57.300I think ultimately his campaign was driven by consultant greed and grift, and it completely bankrupted him.
00:44:06.120And ultimately, the man himself just wasn't ready for prime time.
00:44:09.920He really wasn't all that he was cracked up to be.
00:44:12.580And President Trump said it beautifully when he originally said that he has a great press team, however many months ago, a year ago, that really presented him in a way that made him look like a much stronger contender than he really was.
00:44:24.340But we've now found out that he was a paper tiger.
00:45:06.080And it really was very responsive to the needs of the voters and to the base.
00:45:09.400And because of that, I think President Trump is going to be rewarded bigly in Iowa, in New Hampshire.
00:45:13.780And then this thing should be wrapped up very shortly.
00:45:15.600And we could start focusing on the real goal, which is the White House.
00:45:19.300Do you think now what I'm hearing from the DeSantis camp is that they want to make it to the Florida primary.
00:45:26.480That's going to be mid-March after Super Tuesday.
00:45:29.840So you've got to go through all of the primaries you just mentioned, including South Carolina, including all of Super Tuesday, and then still have money in the tank to make it to Florida, which isn't going to be until March 19th.
00:45:56.360And Trump keeps collecting W's both in the primary and in the courtroom.
00:46:00.220So all of these things that you mentioned earlier, how they were all contingent on Trump suffering some massive legal setback, has not materialized.
00:46:08.900And then also, if you just look at it in terms of like a person who was only interested in winning the general, the best candidate we have right now is President Trump by a long mile.
00:46:17.120And you brought up what President Trump is thinking.
00:46:20.820He's talking about breaking another blue wall.
00:46:22.880He broke the original blue wall in 2016, where he won these states that Republicans have only dreamed of winning for many decades, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
00:46:31.100And he was able to win in 2016 in a big way on the electoral map.
00:46:34.640Well, he's never pulled this well before.
00:46:36.180He's polling better than he ever has in 16 and 20.
00:46:39.060I saw polls come out recently with younger voters, with Hispanic voters.
00:46:42.680He's growing his margins across the board.
00:46:45.160And it is bringing into play potential states, potential states like Virginia, even New Mexico with the Hispanic vote.
00:46:51.320He's talking about things like New York.
00:46:53.080And even if he doesn't win these states, let's have the Dems play defense for a change.
00:46:57.640Let's challenge them on their home court, so to speak.
00:47:07.880President Trump is going into the lion's den.
00:47:09.960He's doing it in a way that could be very effective.
00:47:11.920You could do a rally in upstate New York, and then you're just, you know, hop over the border from PA or hop over the border from New Hampshire.
00:47:17.780You can do rallies in blue states that logistically are feasible, that wouldn't require a lot of infrastructure.