Former President Donald Trump is back in court in a D.C. courtroom today as his lawyer is set to argue that he is immune from election interference because he was president at the time of the January 6th insurrection. Meanwhile, a car crashes into a secure barrier at the White House and the Secret Service detains the driver.
00:18:54.440So I was just pointing out how interesting it is that the guy whose behavior was egregious enough to be first 20 on the FBI's most wanted list, featured prominently in New York's Times documentary.
00:19:05.200Then Revolver News starts reporting on federal involvement.
00:19:08.640And literally the next day, Epps is taken off the FBI's most wanted list.
00:19:12.780And then shortly thereafter, the New York Times does a fully dedicated puff piece on him.
00:19:17.94060 Minutes does a sympathy segment on him.
00:19:21.820Adam Kinzinger starts defending him more aggressively than his own lawyers.
00:19:26.780And now to put the toothpaste back in the tube to wrap up the loose ends three years after the regime in this lazy ploy to convince low information people that there's nothing to see here with Epps gives him a wrist slap misdemeanor charge.
00:19:42.180And they don't even commit to the bit there because the government recommended the six months maximum within the misdemeanor, and he ends up just getting probation.
00:19:52.040So they don't even commit to this ridiculous bit three years after to give him misdemeanor charge.
00:19:57.660You know, everyone else, they get the obstruction of an official proceeding, which is currently under review by the Supreme Court and so forth.
00:20:04.640They, in fact, admit in the charging documents that he engaged in felonious conduct, but there were mitigating factors, quote unquote, including the fact, in their view, that he was subject to conspiracy.
00:20:24.240It's really amazing, and I think it's clear what's going on here.
00:20:27.540And I should point out, though, that the fact that he's getting this lenient treatment, to say the least, isn't just, oh, you know, he's an asset or they like him, he's cooperated, therefore he gets lenient treatment.
00:20:39.120Because, as I pointed out in other contexts, the feds are more than willing to seriously burn their assets once they come liabilities.
00:20:47.360The fact that they haven't burned Epps in this fashion suggests to me that Epps has a lot more leverage on them than just January 6th.
00:20:57.680That's, of course, speculation, but that, I think, is the most reasonable reading, in my view, that he's, you know, this is not his first rodeo, and I guess I'll leave it at that.
00:21:07.880Well, I'm just going to say, it seems to me that this deal has all the hallmarks of what you would give someone who was a cooperating asset, someone who had been cooperating with you, possibly for longer than just the January 6th event, which I think is what you're getting at here.
00:21:27.720And this idea, it's no jail, it's a $500 fine, and community service, community service, for, as opposed to, which, which, by the way, and I'm going to be clear about this, this is the type of sentence that all the Jan Sixers should have received.
00:21:45.280This is what, right, so we know what the benchmark is, and that's why we're incredulous here, because we know that for every Democrat who does something like this, this is what they would have gotten.
00:21:55.460To clarify, it's, I'm not particularly scandalized by his behavior per se, although it's far more egregious than most everyone else.
00:22:05.540The thing that's the scandal here is this selective prosecution, and the idea that the Department of Justice took a posture of, quote-unquote, shock and awe to throw the kitchen sink at relatively trivial actors.
00:22:22.540They gave them the SWAT treatment two or three weeks after January 6th, and yet with Ray Epps, who, by all accounts, relatively speaking, seems to be the most egregious participant, and the FBI agreed, and so did the New York Times before we started reporting on the Fed's direction.
00:22:38.540So the fact that, unlike others who had the SWAT treatment, they had the red dots, you know, on their chests and on their wives and families at three in the morning, many such cases, so to speak.
00:22:56.900They warn him in advance that there's a misdemeanor, and they not only don't give him the recommended sentencing, they give him zero jail time and probation three years after.
00:23:06.520It simply, it doesn't add up at all, and it's so clumsy.
00:23:13.640It's such a clumsy cover-up, but I guess the regime doesn't think they need to do any better than that, because what are the plebs going to do?
00:23:24.260They don't even need to sort of honor us with a more sophisticated cover story.
00:23:30.940And so here's something that is interesting to me, that Mitt Romney was giving an interview with the New York Times and said, and it's very strange to me that he actually said this three days after the anniversary of January 6th, where he said, they went to him, they said, oh, here we are, it's the three-year anniversary, we're just a couple days later, what are your thoughts on it?
00:23:53.300And Senator Romney, I saw this reported in the National Polls, said, I think January 6th is a dead horse politically.
00:24:01.660He said, I think Biden needs new material, and I think people have processed it one way or the other.
00:24:07.540You're not going to change anyone's opinion on that.
00:24:10.520Could this potentially be a turning of the page, in a sense, from at least some elements of the regime from January 6th?
00:24:18.900And perhaps this Ray Epps, this Ray Epps deal represents the closing, you know, they're closing the loop, right?
00:24:24.520They're trying to close the Ray Epps loop.
00:24:26.460They don't want Darren Beattie talking about him anymore.
00:24:37.180Narratively speaking, that's absolutely the case, because they think people are so unsophisticated.
00:24:42.800They think the argument is Epps didn't get indicted, therefore he was a Fed, therefore no matter when they charge him with anything, no matter what circumstances, no matter how late, simply charging him with anything constitutes a refutation of the mountains of evidence that we've presented over the course of the past three years.
00:25:04.240So in that sense, yes, they want to close the narrative loop.
00:25:07.260But in another sense, they can't quit January 6th.
00:25:11.240I don't think the American population is especially interested in it.
00:25:16.220But on the one hand, you know, conservatives, patriots should be interested in it because it's used as a pretext to further the weaponization of the national security state against us.
00:25:28.980And the Democrats are interested in it because it's basically the linchpin off of which they've based all of their phony legal theories in order to stop Trump from running according to the normal Democrat process.
00:25:42.660So in that sense, when you when you see Biden talking about January 6th, he's not necessarily speaking to voters that I don't think really care about it.
00:26:00.180What he's doing is he's reinforcing the narrative that the Democrats need to defeat Trump through sort of extracurricular means, through through extra Democratic means, through lawfare and other mechanisms that we've seen and that I expect to intensify.
00:26:19.360Well, I think that's right. I think it's going to get worse, Darren, as we're as we're going through 2024.
00:26:26.220So we have this sort of two track situation and no happy for just a couple of more minutes.
00:26:32.460We've got the presidential election, of course, Iowa takes place in just a couple of days time here, four days, four or five days away from Iowa.
00:26:41.380And yet there's also this legal media track that also the regime, this gauntlet they're throwing on Donald Trump.
00:27:41.860So the system is actually legitimate because a Republican won, when in practice it's a Republican that's a more dedicated and loyal servant to the regime than even Joe Biden, who at least his senility is a wild card factor, that he might just have a, you know, a brain collapse and end up doing something that isn't detrimental to the American public.
00:28:04.000Unfortunately, Nikki Haley's brain is still functioning to the extent that she can continuously and consistently and probably somewhat effectively implement the regime's design against the American people.
00:28:17.920So I think the notion of Nikki Haley as this dark force figure and the solution to the regime's problem with Biden is something that we should take increasingly seriously.
00:28:33.360And, you know, what that means with Trump, well, you know, there are some dark possibilities there.
00:28:38.100I think it suffices to say that the regime will do everything in its power to prevent the American people from being able to actually vote for Trump in the election.
00:28:50.660The voter fraud here is going to take place before the election.
00:28:57.880The steel is not in the counting of ballots.
00:29:01.080It's in simply not having him on the ballot.
00:29:04.400It's very clear that that's what their aim is.
00:29:07.940From day one, I've said this many times, the regime is doing everything in its power to ensure that the American people are never able to meddle in their own elections again.
00:29:20.200And we're going to see if you thought 2023 was wild in terms of the indictments, the civil suits, the legal theories.
00:29:29.4802024 is going to be that on steroids with orders of magnitude more intense, more crazy and more dark.
00:29:41.080And I hate to say it, but I couldn't because they have said and we remember, I always go back to that piece that Alan Bakari found that internal Google meeting about one week or so after the election.
00:29:54.080And he was leaked to him by a whistleblower.
00:29:57.400And this is Sundar Pinchai, head of Google.
00:32:12.480We have the great Julie Kelly joining us in just one moment.
00:32:16.900But I want to play, again, this clip of Judge Pan of the D.C. Appellate Court.
00:32:23.920He said an order to seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival.
00:32:28.520That's an official act in order to seal Team 6.
00:32:31.020He would have to be and would speedily be, you know, impeached and convicted before the criminal prosecution.
00:32:37.660But if he weren't, there would be no criminal prosecution, no criminal liability for that?
00:32:41.820Chief Justice's opinion in Marlboro against Madison and our Constitution and the plain language of the impeachment judgment clause all clearly presuppose that.
00:32:52.980What the founders were concerned about was not.
00:33:13.600There is a political process that would have to occur under the structure of our Constitution, which would require impeachment and conviction by the Senate.
00:33:19.560In these exceptional cases, as the OLC memo itself points out from the Department of Justice, you'd expect a speedy impeachment and conviction.
00:33:41.580I'm thinking that six feet ain't so far down.
00:33:43.620Why will she not simply engage with what the man is saying, number one, about our founders, about our process, about our Constitution and our history and the jurisprudence in this country?
00:33:55.320And why is she bringing up hypotheticals when he himself was talking about something that Barack Obama actually did while in office?
00:34:04.520Well, because she's an activist judge.
00:34:08.240These are the judges I've been listening to for three years in Washington, D.C.
00:34:12.820This is the same level of thoughtfulness, hypotheticals, hyperbole, obviously political lectures from the bench that I've been listening to for three years in J6 cases.
00:34:25.880Florence Pan, not only is she not very bright, recall that she, of course, was appointed by Joe Biden.
00:34:33.140Her husband, Max Steyer, is a longtime Democratic Party activist in Washington who was one of Brett Kavanaugh's chief antagonists.
00:34:43.140He was just in a movie at Sundance Film Festival where he was interviewed and claimed the FBI did not properly investigate Brett Kavanaugh and especially his accusations, what he said that he saw Brett Kavanaugh do as a freshman at Yale.
00:34:56.380So clearly she had her marching orders.
00:34:59.600What a preposterous, outlandish hypothetical.
00:35:03.880And furthermore, if that did happen, the proper course, as Trump's lawyer indicated, is impeachment and conviction.
00:35:13.700Does Judge Pan think that the attorney general from the president who used Team 6 to kill a political opponent is going to what?
00:35:27.460But of course, it resulted in what her marching orders were to get the headlines we're already seeing by corporate media and legal analysts like Andrew Weissman.
00:35:38.940Donald Trump's lawyer says if a president used SEAL Team 6 to kill a political rival, he could not be prosecuted, which, of course, is not what he said.
00:35:51.440But this is what they do in political campaigns where someone will say, well, ask a hypothetical question.
00:35:57.480Chris Matthews famously did this to Trump in 2016 on the abortion question where you ask these wild hypotheticals to get them to answer you, which have nothing to do.
00:36:10.760Anyone who's been in the business knows about these.
00:36:13.060When I go to politics, when I'm advising or in my in my previous career, when I would advise a politician and say, don't answer hypotheticals.
00:36:22.160And the lawyer here, which is tough because you can't say that to a lawyer necessarily because that's a federal judge.
00:36:28.320Now you're not answering the question.
00:36:30.420So it's a disgrace when it comes to our actual system, because she's talking about something that doesn't exist in reality and then forcing him to answer the question.
00:36:46.620Judge Pan, Judge Michelle Childs, also a Biden appointee and Karen Henderson appointed by George W. Bush.
00:36:55.460But we heard the two Biden appointees jump on Trump's lawyer from the get go.
00:37:01.280He could barely even finish his opening statement before they were already badgering him.
00:37:06.840Hypotheticals are fine when they are presented in court, but not when you're talking about an unprecedented ruling from Judge Chutkin denying Donald Trump's presidential immunity in this criminal prosecution.
00:37:21.120This will be a decision that will have long term permanent consequences on the country, which is what Trump's lawyer brought up today.
00:37:28.460This is republic crushing decision and it will perpetuate a cycle where an incoming president will immediately open a criminal investigation with his DOJ into his predecessor.
00:37:39.900Could be, you know, you know, of the opposite party, we're assuming.
00:37:44.100And that's all that that would happen time and time again.
00:37:49.960This isn't time for preening before the media.
00:37:52.380This is a serious discussion for this country.
00:37:54.880And to have Judge Pan, this lightweight, you know, make a joke or or go to the biggest extreme she could possibly think of to produce headlines that she knew were going to happen.
00:38:06.960This is but this is what's happening in D.C., Jack.
00:38:09.580This is why we should not have a federal courthouse in Washington, D.C.
00:38:13.580We should not have a federal prosecutor, Matthew Graves.
00:38:16.820We should not have a Washington FBI field office.
00:38:22.860That is the cabal that has been using our tax money, their unchecked powers to not fight crime, but to go after Donald Trump, his family, his cabinet members and now his voters.
00:38:34.560And this is what we're ending up with, happening to listen to adults like Florence Pan and Michelle Childs try to trick a constitutional lawyer, trip him up with stupid hypotheticals.
00:38:46.500It's really, really a dismal situation.
00:38:49.900And it is ridiculous because, of course, he's talking about the history of the Constitution.
00:38:55.160He's talking from the context of this is what the Constitution lays out in terms of when the president commits and, again, commits one of these offenses.
00:39:35.840And the adulation and the love bombing that she's going to receive from them are wonderful.
00:39:40.680And so you and I and I and I'm so glad that we have this audio, by the way.
00:39:45.260It's actually very useful for us because, you know, we can go out to, you know, the federal FEMA districts where the actual citizens live and say, look, the subjects of the regime and say, look at how they talk within the Capitol.
00:40:19.400And just one minute to the break, Julie, what's not ridiculous is what they're talking about is their own power, isn't it?
00:40:26.600It is. And at one point, Florence Pan, in this weird little riff, said that Donald Trump's interests as president were not aligned with the interests of the executive branch, the institution.
00:40:43.940He is the executive branch, Florence Pan.
00:41:18.400We're breaking down everything that happened.
00:41:20.660This bombshell shots fired really within Washington, D.C.
00:41:26.060And no, I don't mean over in Anacostia at the gas station.
00:41:29.180I mean legal shots and political shots fired.
00:41:32.420Republic shattering decisions that were in where this judge, Judge Pan at one point, who was a total dyed in the wool Marxist apparatchik diversity hire, actually says at one point that Trump was interested in election integrity.
00:41:47.980And that's not in the interest of the executive branch and the institution.
00:41:53.260Julie Kelly, what is going on that would make a judge say something like that?
00:41:57.760Because, of course, the president of the United States is the executive branch.
00:42:01.580And then number two, who is this judge?
00:42:07.420A lot of the controversy, of course, of all of this is was President Trump's conduct within the confines of his official duties or was it outside of that, that he was acting on his own, that he was acting in political interest?
00:42:22.100So that could sort of explain this muddled whatever thing that she said about election integrity and Donald Trump not aligning with the priorities of the institution of the executive branch.
00:42:33.880If that's not an admittance as to the priorities of these judges protecting the institutions that their friends, that their husbands, that their children, their neighbors all populate and run.
00:42:46.600Boy, that was a really telling moment.
00:42:48.300But Judge Pan, interesting figure, and I was going to say, she said the quiet part out loud.
00:42:54.140She said the quiet part out loud because this is someone who lives in the bubble.
00:42:58.080This is someone who's surrounded by the deep state.
00:43:14.580Remember, folks, the interagency, as we have to say it here on the show.
00:43:17.840All of the institutions and the agencies in D.C. want him gone.
00:43:22.720And she's saying that Trump's interest in election integrity doesn't align with theirs because the deep state is not interested in election integrity.
00:43:31.820Well, I mean, look, she both of those judges, Michelle Childs and Florence Pan, appointed by Joe Biden, gave Trump's lawyers a lot of fodder to take this to the Supreme Court.
00:43:43.660This line of thinking, the hypothetical, as we as we noted, and then, of course, this admittance that Donald Trump was working against the institution of the executive branch.
00:43:54.380So lots of fodder there for his attorneys to to, you know, seek a petition before the Supreme Court.
00:44:00.900But look, this is not the only reason why Judge Pan is dangerous.
00:44:05.380As I put on Twitter, panels at the Supreme at the appellate court, the circuit court, are supposed to be randomly assigned.
00:44:13.300So strange that Judge Pan just happens to turn up on these three judge panels of all these consequential politically charged decisions.
00:44:22.180She upheld Beryl Howell, allowing the search warrant, the subpoena for Donald Trump's Twitter files and the nondisclosure order preventing Twitter from telling Trump about it and the $350,000 fine that Beryl Howell, an Obama appointee brazen partisan as well, levied against the company.
00:44:45.180Judge Pan, also on the three panel, three judge panel, that upheld another ruling by Beryl Howell, piercing attorney-client privilege between Evan Corcoran and Donald Trump in the classified documents case.
00:45:00.500By the way, an investigation of proceedings that never should have happened in Washington, all should have been handled in Southern Florida.
00:45:06.340Nonetheless, Judge Pan is on that panel, upholding Howell, piercing attorney-client privilege, and forcing Evan Corcoran to turn over all of his records to Jack Smith.
00:45:17.620She also was on both of the three judge panels that barely upheld DOJ's use of obstruction of an official proceeding 1512C2, barely upheld it in two cases.
00:45:30.280And, of course, in one of those that now is pending before the Supreme Court, represents half of Jack Smith's criminal indictment against Donald Trump.
00:45:38.480Now that you hear her in action, I've listened to her at other appellate hearings.
00:45:42.160The fact that she ends up on all these panels and writes, in some cases, the 1512C2, the deciding opinion represents the deciding opinion.
00:45:51.500As I said, these are long-term, permanent decisions made by someone of the political and intelligent nature of Judge Florence Pan.
00:46:03.200And this, but the one that I wanted to ask about is, so she's married to this guy, Max Steyer.
00:46:09.840Max Steyer is the CEO of the Partnership for Public Service.
00:46:14.980You know, when I hear a name like that, I say, wow, that's got to be, sounds like the Open Society Foundation.
00:46:21.580What is, who is Max Steyer, and what does he do?
00:46:24.680So, of course, he is, as I said, a Democratic Party activist.
00:46:28.160He got involved in the character assassination attempt against Brett Kavanaugh.
00:46:33.480He was a classmate of Brett Kavanaugh's at Yale, and he claimed that he saw Brett Kavanaugh engage in some lewd behavior with another girl at a party.
00:46:45.200He took that information to the FBI, to Democratic senators.
00:46:51.360He claimed that the FBI did not investigate his claims.
00:46:55.420But he has continued to perpetuate that and was just in this film, released at Sundance, where he's interviewed and, again, claimed that the FBI did not properly vet all of these sexual misconduct allegations about Brett Kavanaugh.
00:47:10.780Now, think, now, game this out with me, though, Jack.
00:47:13.760Brett Kavanaugh is going to be a Supreme Court justice considering these appellate decisions by Max Steyer's wife.
00:47:22.500So that could give him a little opportunity for some revenge.
00:47:27.760Not sure that Brett Kavanaugh is capable of it.
00:47:30.340But it would certainly be deliciously ironic if he is the deciding vote.
00:47:34.600Well, but at the same time, we have a minute left here, but at the same time, it can also be used from the Democrats and from the left to call for him to recuse himself in this by saying, oh, you've got a conflict of interest because your accuser happens to be the husband of the appellate judge in the decision.
00:47:54.740That's what I think is going to happen here.
00:47:57.620Not so sure that that works in the Democrats' favor, that they want to bring attention to the fact that Florence Pan is married to Max Steyer, but who knows?