Jack Posobiec is a commentator, international social media sensation, and former U.S. Navy intelligence veteran. He is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, CBS News, and other media outlets. He has been a long-time friend of President Trump and has been one of his staunchest supporters.
00:05:38.480They only want to collect things that you have done and you have produced and use your work to profit themselves rather than commit to doing any labor on their own.
00:05:51.760In fact, they are averse to labor of any kind.
00:05:56.960And so that's why I'm to say right now, many are welcome on the bus.
00:06:16.860Ladies and gentlemen, one of the best ways that you can support us here at Human Events and the work that we do is subscribing to us on our Rumble channel.
00:08:15.900And it's funny because I was having this conversation internally with the human events team here today.
00:08:19.720And I said, you know, a lot of these phones are ringing.
00:08:22.400I want to read that snake poem again and again to a lot of the D.C. people who were just nowhere to be found for the last three and a half years or so.
00:08:31.960And then all of a sudden, Jamie Dimon pops up at Davos wearing a Ukrainian flag on his lapel pin,
00:08:39.280talking about how smart President Trump is and how great the MAGA movement is on the issues.
00:08:46.280Raheem, what are we to make of these things?
00:08:48.200And then to broaden it out, you know, are snakes allowed on the bus?
00:08:55.000I don't like the analogy of snakes on a bus, mostly because I don't like snakes or buses.
00:09:01.580But I think there's levels to this, right?
00:09:04.380And whether we're talking about Steve Cortez, whether we're talking about Vivek Ramaswamy, whether we're talking about Jamie Dimon,
00:09:13.800we have to accept that there are different levels to this.
00:09:16.520There are different layers to this and not everybody can be dealt with or should be dealt with in the same way.
00:09:22.000I have dealt with this for many, many, many years, far too many years that I actually even care for,
00:09:29.060because people will stand against you.
00:09:31.500People will have different ideas to you.
00:09:33.100People will have differences of opinion, differences in candidates and differences in how they perceive the America First movement should move ahead.
00:09:42.640Does that does that write them off forever?
00:09:44.820Well, perhaps in some cases, I think it does, especially if they turned out to be very nasty people,
00:09:51.400especially if they told tales and ran stories and said negative things and background briefed corporate media journalists.
00:10:00.500And there are a plethora of people that fit into that mold.
00:10:04.220But, you know, I read Steve Cortez's op-ed today in Real Clear Politics, and I thought to myself, well, look, we have to take a stand.
00:10:12.640Obviously, we have to say, all right, you know, you messed up and we're going to we're going to hit you on that.
00:10:17.360And we're going to talk to you about that.
00:10:18.860And we're going to sit you down and make you pay your penitence for that.
00:10:23.260But at the same time, Steve Cortez was never somebody who was out there being nasty about people.
00:11:17.900I know it all too well because we have made certain mistakes like that in the past.
00:11:22.700I was talking to some of our members in our National Pulse Discord channel this morning and they were asking me about the Steve Cortez thing and said, you know, where is his value?
00:11:33.240And I said, look, the reason so many people were upset in the first instance about the Cortez thing was that Cortez is actually a talented communicator.
00:11:43.180He is an intelligent man and he's somebody we hoped had remained on the America first side.
00:11:48.200Right. So you have to look at that value proposition there.
00:11:50.680And then I also said this. Any single person that can convince even one person to get off their ass and fight for MAGA and vote for MAGA is valuable to this movement.
00:12:03.780Right now, this is much more about Joe Biden than it is about Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley.
00:12:09.040This is much more about taking the fight to the globalists than it is taking the fight, you know, in an inter-Nissan way.
00:12:15.720And I am the king of inter-Nissan warfare, by the way, for any readers of the National Pulse, for any readers of my Twitter feed.
00:12:21.480I was going to say, people are like, people are like, what have you done with Raheem Kassam?
00:12:41.180And the reason that I say as well, when I'm talking about, you know, letting people on the bus and using these types of analogies, it's not necessarily that I'm saying that I don't want someone supported.
00:12:51.820What I'm saying is, is that, look, the people up at the bus are deciding where the bus is going.
00:12:56.840The people up at the front of the bus are deciding the route to take these various things.
00:13:13.180And we have to live with those decisions and the consequences of them.
00:13:16.960And maybe just maybe it turns out that certain people didn't have the best judgment.
00:13:21.880And that's going to be taken into account.
00:13:23.840But to your point as well, there have been some people like and Steve has been quite gracious.
00:13:30.300You know, I think in general, he's been magnanimous in terms of victory.
00:13:33.460I do think that, you know, I said this the other night on the live stream, that if people want to, you know, if people want to start bending the knees, right, there is there is a time limit to this.
00:13:41.020There is certainly a time limit, just like there's a time limit on my screen behind me.
00:13:44.720And that if you do this quickly and that will be remembered.
00:13:52.560But at the same time, if you were somebody who went so hard in the paint that you were and I'm just going to I'm just going to say it, that you were the things that they've been saying about our friend Scott Pressler lately are horrific.
00:14:20.160And I think a lot of those people recognize who they are.
00:14:22.620A lot of people disappeared over the course of the last few weeks off to foreign countries doing foreign things while the Iowa caucuses were taking place.
00:14:31.020And I think those people kind of realize that, you know, maybe this isn't this isn't the year for me.
00:14:39.160I was extremely rude to people who called me friends, to people who let me into their networks, to people who hosted us on their shows and so on and so forth.
00:14:49.640I'm saying by the same broad brush to everyone, I think most I think most level headed people recognize that at the moment, that in the in the bigger battle that looms immediately ahead of us,
00:14:59.480you need your best communicators, you need you unless I'm not calling for these people to get jobs.
00:15:04.600I'm not calling for these people to get, you know, administration roles or anything like that.
00:15:09.460And maybe the best way to describe it, Jack, is that is that those of us who are on the bus, those who want back on, well, they can push the bus for a while.
00:15:17.140Let's see how much muscle you're willing to put into this.
00:15:20.040And then once you've pushed the help, push the bus down the road a little bit, then maybe you can get on and take a seat somewhere in the back.
00:16:00.140Put them out and get to work, because at the end of the day, I don't really have time to be worrying about making lists of people and keeping receipts.
00:16:46.900But just understand that that you are you are not being useful right now because you're not doing what is useful to, again, to your point, to defeat Joe Biden at the ballot box.
00:17:00.620I think, as I say, a level of penitence is due.
00:17:04.200But we also can't be consumed at this point in the election cycle by, by, you know, taking taking petty little grievances of people who, you know, there are people out there.
00:17:15.660They do exist who just made the wrong decision, who just made a mistake, who made an honest mistake, quite frankly.
00:17:21.620And, you know, there are inducements to make those mistakes.
00:17:26.020I don't want anybody to think I'm going soft here.
00:17:30.120I'm going strategic here is what we're doing.
00:17:32.680And I've lived too many election cycles now.
00:17:36.740And I've grinded too many axes to to not realize that there is a massive opportunity here.
00:17:44.680If you treat certain people who behaved and, like you say, continue to behave well and in certain ways, then more people will flock to your cause.
00:17:54.480More people will find it the right time and the right thing to do.
00:17:59.640Like I say, people aren't necessarily going to the jobs list, but they should be allowed, I think, to vocally campaign for President Donald Trump and the MAGA movement.
00:19:29.660Was talking with Raheem Kassam about this question of unity coalition building, how we are going to move forward with these various things.
00:19:37.960Jamie Dimon running around saying that, you know, he's you know, he was loves MAGA all of a sudden after promoting Nikki Haley recently.
00:19:46.960My phone's been, you know, you say ringing off the hook.
00:19:50.360I guess my phone's been chiming off the hook or chirping off the hook because unlike Joy Reid's living room, the only chirps in my living room are from my phone, not from my smoke detector battery alarm.
00:20:03.680But, you know, I'm getting texts from all sorts of people that I just haven't heard from about three and a half years.
00:20:11.680Raheem, one of the other questions I guess I have when we're talking about this, you know, this sort of thing is is really, I suppose, you know, I suppose this idea that so Nikki Haley is still in the race.
00:20:23.140OK, and and and, you know, it's funny because we're talking about people who supported other candidates.
00:20:27.300I don't actually know any Nikki Haley supporters.
00:20:29.400I don't know if you know, I can't even think of anyone who's like a conservative pundit that's a loud and proud Nikki Haley supporter.
00:20:36.520And yet there is sort of an interesting thing.
00:20:38.220And I said this the other day that it's almost better for Trump at the moment if Ron DeSantis stays in the race now that Nikki Haley is in the race because they they basically cobble up the anti-Trump vote rather than having this sort of anti-Trump consolidated coalition against him.
00:20:59.400Yeah, look, I think it looks better for President Trump right now if he can be said to be not just fighting the the deep state and the globalist left, whether it's in Manhattan courtrooms or up on debate stages or town halls or whatever it is.
00:21:17.020And also to be able to claim that he's fighting the rhinos inside the Republican Party, Nikki Haley perhaps being chief rhino of them all, or at least trying to trying to crown herself as chief rhino.
00:21:31.680I was reading a New York Times opinion piece on this this morning, which which just basically says Nikki Haley can't win, says Nikki Haley can't win because of a position on immigration, mass immigration, corporate driven mass immigration.
00:21:43.740So she can't win because of her position on entitlements, a position on social security and so on and so forth.
00:21:49.440And she also can't win because she is fundamentally out of touch with the American first base that very clearly, as if I was even needed to remind us of that.
00:21:59.520But it was a stark reminder that MAGA makes up most of the Republican base at the moment.
00:22:05.600So Haley's actually playing a fairly, fairly useful role, I think, right now for President Trump.
00:22:12.320And you saw the poll that came out this morning, despite Chris Christie dropping out, still 16 points difference there.
00:22:18.940That may that may shrink a little bit.
00:22:20.840That may close a little bit as Sununu and all of that put their shoulder to the wheel in New Hampshire.
00:22:25.120But really, New Hampshire, therefore, represents her last gasp.
00:22:28.500There's nothing really after that that is showing us that she will put in any way, shape or form a significant performance, especially not in a state like Nevada, where she isn't actually even on the caucus list.
00:22:40.540She, you know, was opted into the state primary.
00:22:43.580There was, I think, the only big name on that list until she could only be able to claim a victory in Nevada on a ballot that nobody else was on.
00:22:53.780It's it's the end of the road for her.
00:22:55.380It just it just really depends on how long she wants to keep pacing up and down at the end of that road.
00:23:00.320I think Ron DeSantis probably feels similarly.
00:23:02.740He's laying off a bunch of staff, has laid off a bunch of staff in the last 24 hours and is reconciling everything now into other states.
00:23:31.520And I think, you know, I don't disparage a guy, by the way.
00:23:34.200I saw the people saying like, oh, he didn't he only got single digits.
00:23:36.660But, you know, he almost broke double digits, as a matter of fact.
00:23:39.440And to go from from zero to that zero political experience whatsoever to that is something.
00:23:45.320And so that's that's one of the reasons that I say seats on the bus, right seats on the bus.
00:23:49.900And but but let's go back to Ron DeSantis as well, because he gave this statement, this very confusing to me statement to NBC News in an interview to Dasha Burns, who we love.
00:24:04.220Of course, she's so wonderful over at NBC News and where he's making this argument as if he is himself one of his own most ardent supporters.
00:24:14.140We're told this guy is supposed to be an analyst.
00:24:15.740This guy is supposed to be the biggest brain in the room.
00:24:18.260And yet he's telling her, well, you know, I was really the second choice of a lot of voters.
00:24:23.220And a lot of people said that they're going to vote for me, you know, not this time, but maybe some other time.
00:24:28.280And so we got I'm sorry, you spent two hundred million dollars to find this out.
00:24:35.920Well, I mean, you know, I hate to plug a dead horse here.
00:24:40.220And Ron DeSantis is nothing at the moment, if not a dead horse.
00:24:45.180But between Jeff Rowe and Adam Laxalt and Christina Pushaw and a bunch of those, you know, so-called influencers that flew down to meet with him and hyped his little ego.
00:25:03.980He was fooled and he was made a fool of.
00:25:06.100He's been made a fool of in a way, by the way, that people just won't forget.
00:25:10.620It's not one of those things where you ran, you put in a good show and maybe you can come back the next time.
00:25:16.100He'll probably try and come back the next time.
00:25:18.480But actually, he will carry these scars into any public position, into any election that he tries to get himself involved with in the future.
00:25:27.200He went from, by the way, being somebody who had a pretty valid claim to standing on a stage and saying, I get political victories,
00:25:35.140to being somebody who not just abandoned his state and has a lot of those victories undone while he's been away in Des Moines or wherever else he's been,
00:25:45.380but also now walks away with a massive L carved into his forehead.
00:25:51.840That that is what the end of, you know, the short political, short political dynasty that Ron DeSantis was trying to create for himself looks like.
00:26:02.780And it should be, by the way, we talked about this in the last segment for a lot of those people.
00:26:20.540And this isn't like a personal animus or anything like that.
00:26:25.660But if you took that money, if you took all of this big dollar donor money, squandered it, knocking doors in like Texas and South Carolina and places that just, you know, fundamentally didn't matter.
00:26:37.320All of these private plane flights, the donor meetings in Park City, Utah, live in large, you know, I get it.
00:26:47.860You know, I was doing my first political internship in a Senate office while I was working at a deli to, you know, to make money in the Philly area.
00:27:07.320Yeah, well, look, there will always be D-list, E-list, F-list type people who will try to make, and that's what Ron needs to be on the lookout for now, right?
00:27:19.540There's going to be all these people who can't make their way really anywhere of consequence in politics who will try now to go, oh, Ron, you know, let's do a podcast together or let's write a book together or, you know, any of these things.
00:27:33.160And, you know, honestly, he should just disappear and get on with the business of running his state, you know, close the office door, sit there with a stack of papers, and actually get back to the business of running a state.
00:27:44.860Because Florida, for all of its gains over the last couple of years, does have some major issues going on right there.
00:27:50.360The insurance scandal that is still exploding in that state is just one of those things.
00:27:55.540And if he did that, if he knuckled down and shows that, hey, I'm willing to take my lumps, I'm willing to take the L, get on with the work, then maybe, maybe people will look back at him in a couple of years' time and go, okay, okay, maybe he learned his lessons, maybe he changed.
00:28:12.100But in the time being, right, this arrogant defiance, it's almost a childlike, arrogant defiance, where he goes in front of a camera and goes, no, no, that's, you know, it's a denialism that is not very masculine, by the way.
00:28:27.680It's not a manly thing to do, to shake your head and deny reality around you.
00:28:41.220So if you understand politics, if the networks called it early for Trump, then that depresses the Trump vote, because that means Trump supporters who maybe heard about this decided to go home and not support their guy.
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