Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 668： WW3 OR CEASEFIRE？ TUCKER TALKS NUCLEAR WAR WITH PUTIN

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00:02:50.240 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to today's edition of Human Events Daily Live, Washington, D.C.

00:02:54.780 Today is February 9, 2024.

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00:02:57.880 Ladies and gentlemen, we do have breaking news at this moment.

00:03:01.740 Vladimir Putin, who has taken Tucker Carlson captive, unfortunately, at this time, has

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00:04:16.900 Look, folks, there was a great interview, Tucker Carlson, Vladimir Putin last night.

00:04:21.340 Very interesting.

00:04:22.580 Very interesting situation where I think that for a lot of people that are trying to understand

00:04:28.040 the world that we live in, for a lot of people who try to understand what is going on in our world.

00:04:36.060 You can watch the interview, and I watched the interview, you can say, I agree with some

00:04:39.720 of the things that the guys said.

00:04:41.120 I disagree with some of the things they said.

00:04:43.240 But here's what's interesting.

00:04:46.100 Russia currently has a president who can sit down and give you history back to the 12th century

00:04:52.620 of his people and rattle off the GDPs of various nations and trading blocks off the top of his head. 0.60

00:05:01.400 And the United States, on the other hand, has a president who is essentially a vegetable.

00:05:07.640 That's not just me saying that.

00:05:09.200 That's the special counsel report, which came out yesterday, saying that Joe Biden couldn't

00:05:15.100 be found or couldn't even be charged because there's no way we could convict him.

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00:08:10.860 So we're digging through the interview here with Putin, with Tucker,

00:08:18.680 and we've got the great Darren Beattie of Revolver News to walk us through this.

00:08:22.980 Now, Darren, you and I have chatted about, you know, Russia's geopolitics and the role of Russia

00:08:29.880 in the current formulation of geopolitics here.

00:08:32.180 This came up later in the interview.

00:08:34.460 A lot of people, a lot of memes about the, you know, the history segment of the interview,

00:08:39.760 which, of course, informs a lot of the thinking in that part of the world.

00:08:42.780 And, but I do think that there was something that came up later.

00:08:46.140 There was a long discussion about Nord Stream 2, where Tucker essentially confirmed, or excuse

00:08:51.540 me, Putin essentially confirmed that it was done as a CIA operation.

00:08:55.860 But then additionally, he also spent quite some time speaking, maybe not to Tucker,

00:09:04.080 but maybe actually making a pitch to Olaf Scholz and the people of Germany saying,

00:09:09.960 I'm more than willing to turn the pipeline back on because let's look at it.

00:09:14.280 Olaf Scholz's government is completely collapsing.

00:09:16.880 He's got the farmers rising up and protesting against him.

00:09:19.840 There's Polish farmers, by the way, this morning that have started protesting as well.

00:09:23.460 And so it got me to thinking that, you know, is the great game back afoot?

00:09:28.960 And is Russia attempting and was Putin potentially attempting to use this interview

00:09:33.720 as a way to make a pitch to the German people?

00:09:37.200 What do you thought?

00:09:39.440 That's a very interesting point.

00:09:41.860 Yeah, there are a number of things that struck me about the Nord Stream conversation.

00:09:46.180 And one was Tucker's question as to, well, look, well, let's start with Putin's answer.

00:09:55.820 He said, well, it's basically the CIA.

00:09:58.180 And the CIA was a recurring theme throughout the entire interview, which is not terribly surprising.

00:10:03.560 I think maybe Putin ascribes an exaggerated importance to that specific agency.

00:10:09.360 Not that it's unimportant, but I think that's informed by his own experience within the Russian,

00:10:15.700 you know, special services, as he calls them.

00:10:18.960 And the CIA has always been their, you know, very recognizable counterpart.

00:10:24.500 And that's, you know, the Cold War and such.

00:10:27.340 But he blamed it on the CNN, not CNN, on the CIA.

00:10:33.420 And Tucker, of course, had a personal alibi.

00:10:35.940 So he wasn't blaming Tucker.

00:10:37.240 But he said, you guys did it.

00:10:38.400 And he said, you guys.

00:10:39.600 It's interesting.

00:10:40.320 He actually uses, if you look at it contextually, first he said, you guys did it.

00:10:45.220 And then Tucker made a kind of good joke saying, well, I have an alibi.

00:10:48.380 I was, you know, I was busy that day.

00:10:50.320 But then Putin clarified and said, well, no, by that I mean the CIA.

00:10:54.580 But that gives us a sense in Putin's mind, basically, the CIA is the driving force of America.

00:11:01.960 The CIA is America.

00:11:03.700 That's like the core.

00:11:04.880 That's the operating system.

00:11:06.420 When he says you guys in the context of USA effectively means CIA, which I think was an

00:11:11.500 interesting sort of insight into the way that he thinks, which may be more accurate than

00:11:20.580 many Americans, the way that they think of their own government and how it works.

00:11:25.080 But then he went on to say, OK, it was the CIA.

00:11:27.960 Tucker said, well, how do you know?

00:11:29.860 And then Putin made the argument that, frankly, we've made, you know, very powerfully and persuasively

00:11:35.900 in a number of fora, including an infamous war room appearance in which one woman maintained 0.99

00:11:42.540 that Russia actually blew up its own pipeline, which I'm still kind of flabbergasted by.

00:11:47.240 He said, look, it's not just the motive, but it's also the capability.

00:11:53.640 And you have to look at the intersection between motive and capability.

00:11:57.720 And with that, you know, you don't have a lot of options.

00:12:00.040 And you're basically looking at the CIA by which he means.

00:12:03.740 Which, by the way, in that very war room hit that you're describing, that's precisely

00:12:09.280 what you and I were discussing.

00:12:10.920 I think I was talking about evil capabilities.

00:12:11.240 Exactly.

00:12:11.980 We gave the same answer because it's so obvious.

00:12:14.540 You were saying, well, who who benefits here?

00:12:16.940 And and and at the time, I remember there was another piece of it that we that we brought

00:12:21.840 up because it's not just qui bono, right?

00:12:24.200 Qui bono, who benefits, but also qui malo, right?

00:12:26.820 Who suffers?

00:12:27.900 Who is who suffers from this?

00:12:29.880 And it was Germany.

00:12:30.720 It was always the German people, particularly the German economy, which is driving so much 1.00

00:12:35.540 of the instability right now.

00:12:36.720 And why Olaf Scholz is currently as chancellor facing a vote of no confidence.

00:12:40.900 Right, exactly.

00:12:43.220 I mean, Germany is, in a sense, collateral damage, but significant collateral damage because 0.82

00:12:47.920 Nord Stream was just as much theirs as it was Russia, maybe even more so Germany. 0.97

00:12:52.040 That was their entry point into the relatively cheap energy from Russia.

00:12:57.280 It's the most natural compatibility and complementarity you can think of between Germany and Russia.

00:13:04.560 And, you know, there have been attempts to solidify this politically, for instance, under

00:13:09.240 the administration of Schroeder, who is always a great friend of Putin's and my understanding

00:13:16.560 is still is.

00:13:19.620 But Germany has taken a turn.

00:13:22.220 And that was an interesting part of the question.

00:13:24.420 But the first part, the first part of the question that Tucker asked said, well, if you

00:13:28.880 have this evidence, why don't you present it before the world?

00:13:31.580 That was one of the more interesting parts of the interview.

00:13:34.680 And Putin basically said, look, on the field of mass propaganda, on public appeals, on the

00:13:42.320 global stage, there's simply no competing with the United States.

00:13:46.840 The American machinery of propaganda would simply overwhelm any attempt of Putin to make such

00:13:54.720 a kind of public like Colin Powell type, you know, UN case to the global public as to who

00:14:03.960 really did Nord Stream, even when, you know, the comparison with Colin Powell ends at sort

00:14:09.800 of the public spectacle of it, because Putin has a much better case than Powell did, you

00:14:15.520 know, making the case for the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

00:14:19.160 Well, you know, something that's actually interesting, can I can I just interject that

00:14:22.900 people are people are critical of the fact that Putin was making this historical explanation

00:14:28.860 for the roots of the conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

00:14:32.400 And something that I noted as well was that he could have attempted to make one of these

00:14:37.840 Colin Powell ask, you know, arguments to say, oh, we had information that the bio labs were

00:14:43.520 about to be turned against us or some type of, you know, WMD or or, you know, some formulation

00:14:50.360 that Ukraine was just about to attack us.

00:14:52.520 But he doesn't do that.

00:14:53.520 He instead goes on this very, very lengthy, very thorough treatise about the ancestral importance,

00:15:01.260 religious and geographical and historical importance of these these lands that are in question

00:15:08.760 here.

00:15:09.760 And, you know, where he could have easily played into, you know, sort of that Western

00:15:13.440 apparatus and, you know, come up with some sort of, I don't know, James Bondian plot the

00:15:17.760 way that the Bushes did.

00:15:18.760 Yet he decided to not do anything like that.

00:15:21.760 And in fact, there's nothing in the interview that is comes anywhere close to it.

00:15:25.760 Right now, I think that's a great point.

00:15:27.760 And it gets to sort of the different mechanisms of propaganda and how propaganda.

00:15:34.760 I mean, the U.S. is without a question the global leader in propaganda and has been for

00:15:40.760 some time.

00:15:41.760 That is truly, you know, with the recent hit of the movie Oppenheimer, the true superweapon

00:15:47.760 of the United States has been for a very long time, our capacities and in propaganda specifically.

00:15:58.760 And Putin definitely understands that.

00:16:02.760 But in Russia, it's very interesting that and I think this is the case in Europe as well.

00:16:10.760 An historical context, an historically based kind of justification for a war, it resonates

00:16:20.760 more powerfully with the populace relative to what it would in the United States.

00:16:25.760 It's the United States.

00:16:26.760 America is kind of, you know, there is a trope in Europe, which I must concede has some validity 0.99

00:16:33.760 that, you know, Americans are somehow comically ignorant historically. 0.75

00:16:38.760 And that but I think that, you know, America in its essence is somehow a historical. 0.95

00:16:44.760 It's it's detached in many ways from the West.

00:16:49.760 It's it was an outpost of the West, but it's become something bigger and something fundamentally

00:16:54.760 different.

00:16:55.760 And the American people have been detached from history.

00:16:59.760 And that's associated with the over overwhelmingly successful and frankly, historic imperial capacities

00:17:08.760 of the United States that manifest destiny.

00:17:10.760 All of this is about sort of recreating something, even the concept of a self-made man, you know,

00:17:17.760 a man without without without a last name or you're making yourself rather than a product.

00:17:23.760 This is this is the Great Gatsby, by the way.

00:17:26.760 This is the thesis of the Great Gatsby.

00:17:28.760 It's it's Henry James, I think, kind of coined this concept in literature.

00:17:33.760 But it's it's a specifically American idea.

00:17:37.760 And also it's, you know, the idea of not remembering history.

00:17:41.760 I forget who said this, but it was kind of insightful that part part of it in order to have peace

00:17:48.760 and therefore have commerce, you have to be kind of forgetful in terms of your history.

00:17:53.760 Forgetting has a yes, as a like a positive thing because you're not holding on to these centuries old grievances.

00:18:02.760 And that's the thing, you know, the people.

00:18:05.760 It's ironic is that some of the people, the the Americans who are most historically versed are frankly,

00:18:11.760 Americans with highly politically incorrect prejudices. 0.70

00:18:16.760 And I think this reinforces the idea that sort of historical understanding often couples.

00:18:23.760 A very, very quick break.

00:18:25.760 But I really want to I really want to get into this point.

00:18:27.760 This is deep.

00:18:31.760 So they talk about influences.

00:18:32.760 These are influences and they're friends of mine.

00:18:37.760 Jack.

00:18:38.760 So like, where's Jack?

00:18:39.760 Jack.

00:18:40.760 He's got a great job.

00:18:42.760 All right, Jack Posobiec back here live human events daily, Washington, D.C.

00:18:50.760 Darren, you were making a very interesting point about the a historical basis or relations that

00:18:59.760 America has as well as the it's interesting in a sense.

00:19:04.760 Right.

00:19:05.760 Because Putin at one hand on one hand, it starts off the interview with a long litany of, you

00:19:10.760 know, historical grievances and historical examples of how the current conflict between

00:19:16.760 the West and Russia has arisen. 0.91

00:19:18.760 Yet at the same time also is constantly saying or at least, you know, and you people can believe

00:19:24.760 him or not.

00:19:25.760 Right.

00:19:26.760 You disagree with a lot of the things that he said, but he also says that he's willing

00:19:30.760 to make peace in spite of all of these grievances.

00:19:33.760 So it's you know, it's kind of a dual edged sword there.

00:19:37.760 Yes.

00:19:38.760 Yes, absolutely.

00:19:39.760 And just to conclude the earlier point, there is something kind of essentially or broader

00:19:46.760 kind of characteristically a historical about the whole American enterprise and the American

00:19:51.760 character and self understanding.

00:19:53.760 And so and that's connected to the kind of propaganda that's rather than a colon power

00:20:00.760 type, you know, weapons of mass destruction.

00:20:02.760 We have to fight them over there before they fight us here and interfere with our way of

00:20:05.760 life and commerce and everything.

00:20:07.760 That's much more resonant with the American appetite and sensibility.

00:20:13.760 Whereas I think in in Europe generally and also in Russia, playing into historical narratives

00:20:22.760 and grievances in that kind of detailed and sweeping fashion is it works.

00:20:30.760 It just works a lot better for Russians and also for for Europeans who have I guess are,

00:20:37.760 you know, they're through most is deadened in many ways, but they they still have in many

00:20:43.760 cases the historical memory and that's certainly consistent with my experience having having

00:20:49.760 lived in in Europe for some time.

00:20:52.760 And so but as for the Nord Stream, so Putin says, okay, American strength is is its propaganda.

00:21:02.760 And he points out that, you know, even if I were to show to the global stage, no one would

00:21:07.760 believe it because American propaganda would would overwhelm it.

00:21:11.760 But then let's get to Germany because he does kind of there was a lot of shaming going on

00:21:19.760 and perhaps justifiably so because you Tucker raised a good question.

00:21:23.760 Like, look, this isn't just your infrastructure.

00:21:25.760 This is Germany's infrastructure.

00:21:27.760 This was maybe the biggest act of industrial terrorism ever.

00:21:33.760 And the Germans have really haven't made a peep about it. 0.88

00:21:39.760 Why?

00:21:40.760 And and Putin brings this up and Tucker brings this up.

00:21:43.760 And I really think that you and I probably are the only people in the West who have ever,

00:21:48.760 you know, made this point on on on air.

00:21:51.760 But, you know, to hear Tucker and Putin bring this up as well.

00:21:54.760 And Putin even says, I'm I'm not sure why wouldn't you?

00:21:58.760 Why wouldn't you?

00:21:59.760 This is where I'm almost wondering if he's and and people people like to make these claims

00:22:04.760 that Putin is, you know, sending messages and he's attempting to manipulate domestic politics.

00:22:10.760 And they're always looking for that.

00:22:11.760 And, you know, perhaps.

00:22:12.760 Right.

00:22:13.760 Perhaps you can't.

00:22:14.760 You can't.

00:22:15.760 You certainly can't count that out.

00:22:16.760 You can't discount it.

00:22:17.760 But at the same time, I do kind of wonder if he just genuinely is is confused why Germany

00:22:25.760 wouldn't bring up the fact that a NATO partner country was involved in this act of industrial

00:22:31.760 espionage or industrial sabotage.

00:22:33.760 It's possible.

00:22:34.760 My read on that is Putin is just extremely discreet and diplomatic.

00:22:41.760 You notice there are many times throughout the interview where he would say his part of

00:22:46.760 the dialogue in some discussion with another world leader.

00:22:49.760 But he was always very discreet about what the other person said to, you know, protect

00:22:54.760 the integrity of private conversations, which you have to do at that level.

00:22:58.760 Otherwise, you're not going to have very productive private conversations.

00:23:02.760 I think in the similar vein, it's like, look, if anyone knows Germany, it's Putin. 0.55

00:23:08.760 He lived there.

00:23:09.760 He speaks German.

00:23:10.760 He was very close with Schroeder and Schroeder was very invested in these pipelines as well.

00:23:17.760 I think he pretty much understands what's, you know, kind of clear to me is that, you

00:23:23.760 know, and that we've been talking about in several instances here is that, you know, Europe

00:23:28.760 and, you know, Germany in particular has really developed into a vassal state of the U.S.

00:23:34.760 It always was to some degree or another, but it operated within a range and maybe the least

00:23:40.760 amount of vassal state it was was under Schroeder, who was a famous critic of the Iraq War and

00:23:45.760 American foreign policy and everything.

00:23:47.760 And now the pendulum has swung to an extreme position of subservience to the point of not,

00:23:54.760 you know, really being sovereign in any recognizable sense.

00:23:57.760 And that's really the best lens through which to look at its response to Nord Stream.

00:24:04.760 And it really is interesting as well, because on one angle, and now the Middle East didn't

00:24:09.760 really come up during the discussion, which is something that I had been hoping and that

00:24:13.760 they might get into a little bit because of course Russia is in a bit of a box right now,

00:24:18.760 whether or not they want to extend relations with Israel.

00:24:22.760 We know that Putin and Netanyahu have historically had a pretty good relationship.

00:24:25.760 But at the same time, Russia is very, very dependent on Iran right now for those kamikaze drones 1.00

00:24:32.760 and the production capabilities to keep up this fight in Ukraine.

00:24:36.760 And so obviously the current situation, Israel Gaza has them attempting to balance out a neutrality

00:24:43.760 rather than taking down any one side.

00:24:45.760 And so the fact that it didn't come up is, well, you know, I guess you can't get them all

00:24:49.760 in a two hour interview.

00:24:51.760 Right.

00:24:52.760 And it's a great point.

00:24:53.760 And in particular, it's kind of a it's an interesting omission, especially given how hard, almost

00:25:02.760 to the point of parody, he leaned into this denazification narrative.

00:25:08.760 And that's right.

00:25:10.760 Well, what the hell do you mean by denazification?

00:25:13.760 You know, yes, there are, you know, for 80 years.

00:25:18.760 But like, what does that actually mean?

00:25:20.760 And then he goes on to say, well, it's a very much a live ideology and anti-Semitism, this or that.

00:25:25.760 So that would have been a perfect occasion to bring up, you know, October 7th, this or that.

00:25:29.760 But the fact that he doesn't indicates that he's walking a very delicate line because geopolitically, Russia has

00:25:38.760 to play footsie or even more than footsie these days with, you know, what we might generally refer to as the global, the global

00:25:46.760 south and and the global south has a very different perspective on the Israel situation.

00:25:51.760 So you're right that that is an interesting omission to be sure.

00:25:57.760 Right. And of course, this is a situation where, you know, and he says again and again that, you know, the you know, it's it's and and you know, having spent time and obviously people know Tony's from that part of the world and born in the Soviet Union that to them, the word the word Nazi or the word racist or fascist hasn't become, you know, overused the way that it has here.

00:26:20.760 I mean, if it had some cultural violence in just 30 years ago, 20 years ago, even even up to, I would say, Trump's initial run of 2016, these accusations were quite powerful.

00:26:32.760 But then the problem was the Western media simply started labeling everything white supremacism.

00:26:38.760 Showing up on time was white supremacy and drinking milk was white supremacy and all these different things.

00:26:44.760 And so it eventually just kind of lost all meaning.

00:26:47.760 However, in Russia, or at least in that part of the world, because people don't use these words and don't use these terms haphazardly, they do still carry a lot of weight potentially too much.

00:27:00.760 I personally just watching that and looking at the body language of the situation, I think he genuinely believes that there is a problem with this in Ukraine, whether he's right or not, you know, anyone can debate that.

00:27:11.760 But I think that he was genuine.

00:27:14.760 Yeah, it's hard to say probably, you know, could be.

00:27:19.760 But another point on the Israel thing.

00:27:21.760 So he did not indulge in the opportunity to mention October 7th in the context of the whole anti-Semitism thing.

00:27:30.760 But on the other side, maybe I'm reading too much into the Israel dynamic here, but on the other side, he did not mention Israel in the context of the conversation of lands should go back to their pre-World War II borders.

00:27:48.760 So that could have been the other side.

00:27:52.760 If he really wanted to throw a bone to the global south and to the, you know, the Palestinians, he could have said, well, you know, also Hungary, not only does Hungary have a right to Ukraine, but, you know, Palestine should go back to its, you know, its UN, you know, 1947 borders, or even before that, you know, he could have thrown that in and he didn't.

00:28:13.760 So he kind of studiously avoided getting into that from either side, it seemed like.

00:28:19.760 One of the interesting terms of phrase, and I haven't even really spent enough time digging

00:28:26.760 into it, but he keeps talking about this theory of the golden billion, you know, in the golden

00:28:31.760 billion.

00:28:32.760 So I started to kind of scratch the surface of that last night.

00:28:33.760 And it essentially says that the elites of the world, because of the way the resources are scattered throughout the world right now, that the elites set up the world in such a way that only about 1 billion people can live in development at any one given time.

00:28:50.760 And that if half the population of the world started to consume resources at the same pace, then essentially the world would collapse.

00:28:58.760 It's a bit Malthusian in a sense, but it was interesting that he actually mentioned this a few times throughout the course of the discussion.

00:29:07.760 That is interesting.

00:29:08.760 And frankly, I'd never heard that phrase before golden billion.

00:29:12.760 So I'm just learning what it means for the first time.

00:29:14.760 It's an interesting hypothesis.

00:29:16.760 And it seems like I'd have to go back and see the, you know, the context in which he's done it.

00:29:22.760 But it seems like something like, you know, one of those global south type heuristics of saying, well, you know, it's the basically the west being the golden billion.

00:29:34.760 And what was interesting though, the, the context that he used it, and I know we have only about a minute left, but the context is I'm sure I'm going to dig into this more as I, as I assume you will as well.

00:29:45.760 But he says today's golden billion.

00:29:48.760 So the framing is that just because these countries are up now doesn't mean it will always be this way.

00:29:57.760 And of course he brings up the fall of Rome.

00:29:59.760 He brings up the golden horde on Genghis Khan saying, hey, you know, this was the largest land empire, two of the largest empires in the world, and neither of which really exist anymore.

00:30:10.760 And I think he's kind of, kind of attempting to describe the west as the current golden billion.

00:30:17.760 Darren Beattie, Revolver News, always a pleasure.

00:30:20.760 I really appreciate your insights.

00:30:21.760 Where can people follow you?

00:30:22.760 Revolver.News, we're cooking up something very big.

00:30:26.760 So check the site.

00:30:28.760 It's going to drop soon.

00:30:30.760 Are you pressure cooking something big by any chance?

00:30:33.760 Possibly.

00:30:34.760 Darren Beattie, always a pleasure, my friend.

00:30:38.760 Take care.

00:30:39.760 Thank you.

00:30:40.760 Thank you.

00:30:41.760 Revolver.News.

00:30:42.760 All right, we've got a lot going on.

00:30:43.760 Climate change on trial and Pennsylvania election 2024.

00:30:47.760 A lot of wood and chop.

00:30:48.760 Human Events Daily continues.

00:30:52.760 Where is Jack?

00:30:54.760 Where is Jack?

00:30:56.760 Where is he?

00:30:58.760 Jack, I want to see you.

00:31:00.760 Great job, Jack.

00:31:03.760 Thank you.

00:31:04.760 What a job you do.

00:31:05.760 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:31:07.760 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting Pulisic.

00:31:13.760 All right, Jack Posobiec here, live Human Events Daily.

00:31:18.760 But I want to take you, we're in Washington, D.C.

00:31:20.760 I want to take you up to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, the great outdoors show that's going on.

00:31:25.760 Mark Serrano is there covering for Real America's Voice.

00:31:29.760 Mark, tell us about the event.

00:31:32.760 Jack, we're here at the Farm Show Complex in Harrisburg.

00:31:36.760 This is a week-long event hosted by the National Rifle Association.

00:31:40.760 Hundreds of thousands of people, great patriots come through the doors here this week.

00:31:45.760 Today, of course, is the apex.

00:31:47.760 It's the crescendo when this group gets to hear Donald Trump speak at the presidential forum.

00:31:52.760 Naturally, Jack, he's the only presidential candidate who will be here today.

00:31:55.760 Donald Trump has spoken now, as of today, eight times before the National Rifle Association.

00:32:00.760 And in fact, in 2017, he was the first president since Ronald Reagan to address the NRA.

00:32:06.760 So we've been through this hallway today, Jack.

00:32:09.760 And I got to tell you, there is this energy you can feel, this sense of mission and purpose.

00:32:15.760 Here we are, February 2024.

00:32:17.760 Donald Trump is on a tear through the early primary states, breaking record after record.

00:32:22.760 And the people who are lined up here, thousands of people are lined up outside of this hall right now,

00:32:27.760 starting to stream in.

00:32:29.760 They're going to hear from Donald Trump towards the end of the business day.

00:32:32.760 And there's this sense of purpose, Jack.

00:32:34.760 You can just feel it as you engage people and you talk to them.

00:32:37.760 They recognize what's at stake this year in this election, maybe more than any other year in history,

00:32:42.760 that our Second Amendment right is on the ballot.

00:32:46.760 And that they're going to hear from the leader of the America First movement today,

00:32:50.760 the guy who represents them, represents the working people, the hunters, the outdoorsmen,

00:32:55.760 hundreds of thousands, millions of Americans.

00:32:57.760 The leader of that group is going to be here today.

00:33:00.760 And he's going to talk about how, as of January 2025,

00:33:04.760 he will defend the right to keep and bear arms greater than any president in history,

00:33:09.760 and God knows, much greater than Joe Biden.

00:33:14.760 Mark, that's incredible.

00:33:16.760 I wanted you to stay tuned right there, folks.

00:33:18.760 We'll be there throughout the day, throughout this event.

00:33:21.760 President Trump to speak there.

00:33:23.760 Pennsylvania, obviously a key state, the key zone state.

00:33:27.760 And what can I say?

00:33:28.760 I'm a little bit biased to it, being a son of the great state of Pennsylvania itself.

00:33:33.760 Daniel Turner from Power of the Future joins us now.

00:33:36.760 Daniel, last time we had you on, we were talking about this case between Michael Mann and Mark Stein.

00:33:43.760 Tell us very quickly, what was the case about?

00:33:46.760 And we now have a verdict.

00:33:48.760 So tell us, what was the case and what is, what has it come to?

00:33:52.760 Defamation.

00:33:53.760 It was a defamation case where Mark Stein, who your audience I'm sure knows, he was a regular fill-in for Rush Limbaugh.

00:34:00.760 May he rest in peace.

00:34:01.760 A journalist, author.

00:34:02.760 Mark Stein is one of the great American voices.

00:34:05.760 Not American. 1.00

00:34:06.760 He's Canadian English.

00:34:07.760 He's one of the great freedom voices.

00:34:09.760 And he wrote a blog post 15 years ago criticizing Michael Mann, the climate change scientist.

00:34:17.760 And Michael Mann sued him for defamation.

00:34:19.760 And here we are 15 years later, they chose Washington, D.C. as the venue.

00:34:25.760 Although Mark is from New Hampshire and Michael Mann lives in Pennsylvania, somehow the court ended up in D.C.

00:34:31.760 And the verdict was so quick and it came back guilty.

00:34:36.760 You're not allowed to criticize climate scientists.

00:34:38.760 You're not allowed to criticize probably COVID scientists next.

00:34:42.760 Real aberration of justice.

00:34:44.760 Mark Stein, I believe, is going to appeal.

00:34:46.760 But it was really, really very disappointing.

00:34:49.760 I was genuinely sad when this verdict came in last night.

00:34:53.760 So let me get this straight.

00:34:56.760 The idea that it was defamation, right, for Mark Stein to do this.

00:35:02.760 Wasn't he simply coming out and saying that he disagreed with the findings from Mark Stein's research, this hockey stick graph?

00:35:10.760 How is that a criminal or a civil level of defamation?

00:35:14.760 I just don't even understand how that happened.

00:35:16.760 Well, that's the problem for defamation and I'm not an attorney, but but but for defamation to be found found guilty.

00:35:24.760 A couple of things have to be met.

00:35:25.760 It's not just saying defamatory things.

00:35:27.760 It's not enough to have your feelings hurt.

00:35:29.760 Right.

00:35:30.760 You have to show that you knew what you were saying and publicizing to be false, but you did it anyway.

00:35:35.760 And you have to show that you harmed this person in some material way.

00:35:39.760 It's not just enough to say I didn't like what he said.

00:35:42.760 And Mark Stein's attorneys demonstrated that Michael Mann, since publishing this hockey stick, has grown wealthier, more famous.

00:35:51.760 He is on yachts with Leonardo DiCaprio.

00:35:54.760 He's flown around the world as a guest speaker.

00:35:56.760 He introduced either Bill Clinton or Al Gore or someone at one of the Democrat conventions.

00:36:04.760 I mean, Mark Stein has has done nothing but grow in power and prestige.

00:36:09.760 And so there is no defamation grounds.

00:36:12.760 But again, they chose D.C. because they wanted a jury who is predominantly very, very liberal and who would not side with the facts.

00:36:21.760 They would side with the emotions.

00:36:23.760 And climate change is all emotion.

00:36:28.760 And this this is really is amazing to me so that you have.

00:36:31.760 And look, like I look, I know that you are holding out some hope for this case, man.

00:36:35.760 But when I heard that this venue got moved to Washington, D.C., I said, look, I got to put it in the same context of all the D.C. trials that I've I've sat through, whether it be General Flynn, whether it be Papadopoulos, whether it be Bannon, whether it be Navarro.

00:36:50.760 And particularly through the voir dire, which is the jury selection in these cases.

00:36:55.760 Now, those were criminal cases.

00:36:57.760 This was civil suit. But it's the same jury pool and the D.C. jury pool.

00:37:01.760 I'm sorry. They are just not ever going to side with anyone who's associated with the right associated with Trump.

00:37:07.760 By the way, I should I'd be remiss if I didn't say this, that Peter Navarro, by the way, just lost the ability to stay out pending appeal that that decision came out last night after the show.

00:37:20.760 So this is a guy. He refused to speak to the Jan 6 committee.

00:37:25.760 He was held in contempt of Congress. Now they are that he was sentenced to four months in prison.

00:37:29.760 And they were saying that he must go behind bars even while he's appealing this thing.

00:37:34.760 By the way, this isn't some like hardened, violent criminal.

00:37:37.760 But of course, we know that D.C., when you're a hardened, violent criminal, they just let you back out on the street to kill more people.

00:37:42.760 And the frustrating thing here is that Michael Mann did admit under oath he has yet to pay his attorneys and he is not indebted to them.

00:37:50.760 So basically, he's saying someone else is paying the bill.

00:37:53.760 We know there are lefty groups like the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund.

00:37:58.760 They're fired. They're funded by leftist billionaires.

00:38:01.760 So Michael Mann does not have to pay any money come out of pocket for this.

00:38:06.760 I'm sure Mark Stein did.

00:38:08.760 And so it raises the question, what's the incentive if someone else is allowed to to pay your bills?

00:38:14.760 Why not sue everybody all the time?

00:38:16.760 Why not have every leftist sue everybody on the right nonstop if leftist billionaires will pony up the money?

00:38:22.760 Mark Stein made the case.

00:38:24.760 Michael Mann didn't sue him in any of the Commonwealth states because all the Commonwealth nations, excuse me, because all the Commonwealth nations have a rule that in defamation cases, the loser has to pay the winner's attorney's fees.

00:38:37.760 We need that rule in America, because otherwise, let's just sue each other nonstop if George Soros will pay the legal bills. 0.98

00:38:43.760 And this is 15 years in the making, Jack.

00:38:45.760 So what is the statute of limitation if George Soros was willing to pay your attorney's fees?

00:38:50.760 It's just it's an aberration of justice.

00:38:53.760 It sets a terrible precedent that we're not allowed to criticize climate.

00:38:57.760 We're not allowed to criticize, like I said, covid.

00:39:00.760 And who knows what our overlords next will determine is above criticism.

00:39:04.760 And if you do, if you write a blog post on National Review 15 years ago, we're coming after you.

00:39:11.760 Well, and that's the part that just really flies in the face of everything that we are talking about recently.

00:39:18.760 You know, we say that we're the free country.

00:39:22.760 People are you know, they were critical of of Tucker and Putin and saying, oh, well, you know, you're you're in Moscow talking about free speech.

00:39:29.760 We have free speech in America.

00:39:30.760 Do we do we really?

00:39:32.760 Are we the country that has freedom of speech?

00:39:35.760 Are we the country that allows people to protest at the US Capitol without shooting them in the neck?

00:39:40.760 Are we a country that has free and fair elections?

00:39:42.760 Are we the country that allows people to say whatever they want on the Internet?

00:39:46.760 Are we the country that doesn't lock up our political opposition?

00:39:49.760 And oh, by the way, the leader of the political opposition that's currently running for election, the previous president.

00:39:56.760 Again, people want to make all these criticisms.

00:39:59.760 Oh, Russia, Russia, Russia.

00:40:00.760 But what have we turned into when we are the country that's doing all of those exact things right now?

00:40:07.760 And so, you know, I'm I could certainly disagree or agree with a lot of different things that came up in that interview last night.

00:40:14.760 But when it comes to the conduct of our country as being some sort of moral arbiter, no, I think we've completely lost that.

00:40:20.760 I mean, we've completely lost one more minute to the break.

00:40:23.760 Yeah.

00:40:26.760 Do you have time?

00:40:27.760 Yeah.

00:40:28.760 Yeah. One minute. Go ahead.

00:40:29.760 Yeah. The concern I have here is that, you know, you have big government colluding with the tech industry to censor speech.

00:40:36.760 They don't like, especially as we've seen when it comes to covid and more and more when it comes to climate issues.

00:40:41.760 And climate and covid are the foundation for hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars of spending, of profiteering, of control, exertion of control by a government.

00:40:52.760 So if the science you're not allowed to criticize, you can't criticize anything.

00:40:57.760 Can't criticize science.

00:40:58.760 Can't criticize the scientists.

00:41:00.760 I mean, it's it's basically like we have blasphemy laws come back, but against a different kind of priest.

00:41:06.760 Daniel Turner stays with us here. Power the Future Human Events Daily continues.

00:41:13.760 Working long hours.

00:41:14.760 I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:41:18.760 All right, Jack Posobiec back live. Human Events Daily.

00:41:21.760 Daniel Turner is our guest. Power the Future.

00:41:23.760 You got a new op ed in The New York Post where you announced that you are filing a lawsuit of your own, not against a climate scientist, but potentially one of the priests of the of the climate change agenda.

00:41:37.760 The great proselytizer, John Kerry. Why are you suing John Kerry?

00:41:42.760 John Kerry is a public servant. And as a public servant and you know this, having you spent your time in government, you don't have secret missions, secret meetings.

00:41:50.760 Maybe you did because I know you worked in intelligence, but someone like John Kerry is not clandestine.

00:41:55.760 He's not in the CIA. He's not at defense.

00:41:59.760 So John Kerry has refused to tell the Congress and in our case, using the Freedom of Information Act, refuses to disclose very simple facts like who's on his staff and how are they hired and what are their names and what's his mandate and what are his goals for his office and what's his budget.

00:42:17.760 John Kerry's just said, I'm not sharing that information. I don't have to.

00:42:21.760 The Freedom of Information Act exists for this purposes.

00:42:24.760 And the reason why this lawsuit is important is because we're all on the downstream of Biden's green agenda. Right.

00:42:30.760 Three years in, look at your food prices, your grocery prices, your utility bills.

00:42:34.760 And they celebrate that gas has come down and it has. But it's still a dollar more a gallon than when Biden took office.

00:42:41.760 All of this is the green agenda. The green agenda is hatched in John Kerry's office.

00:42:46.760 And we have a right to know who he's meeting with, what outside groups, what international groups, because we are feeling that green agenda.

00:42:53.760 John Kerry can say, I'm not telling you. So lawsuit was our only option.

00:43:00.760 And so the the goal here then specifically looking at this and Kerry, of course, I believe he's actually outgoing in terms of this.

00:43:07.760 And the the great the artistic John Podesta is going to be coming in to that same office.

00:43:13.760 Do you think do you think that the new administration there will have any will have any change in the status or and really what is it that you're trying to find by getting all this information out?

00:43:25.760 Well, everyone in government has meetings and they talk to outside groups.

00:43:29.760 They talk to groups back in the day like mine. We have a right to know who John Kerry's meeting with.

00:43:34.760 We have a right to know what money he has and what checks he has written.

00:43:38.760 And the fact that he refuses to tell us that is pretty shady.

00:43:41.760 John Podesta is going to come in with an even larger checkbook because he's been controlling the so-called slush fund from the Inflation Reduction Act.

00:43:49.760 And that's, you know, the Wall Street Journal says could be upwards of a trillion dollars in unappropriated funds.

00:43:56.760 Who's knocking on John Podesta's door?

00:43:58.760 What do they want?

00:43:59.760 What are they spending money on?

00:44:01.760 And again, when you are a public servant working on behalf of the American people with American tax dollars, you are not allowed to have these private meetings.

00:44:10.760 You're not allowed to have a private life. And look, even I mentioned the defense, but there is still some caveats.

00:44:15.760 Look at all the problem that the secretary of defense got into saying, oh, no, I just didn't want to tell you.

00:44:20.760 You don't have the right to not tell us you're going to the hospital.

00:44:23.760 You don't have the right to tell us you're not going to disclose what conversations you're having.

00:44:28.760 And so, yeah, the green stuff is always shady, right? The money is shady. The groups are shady.

00:44:35.760 And John Kerry cannot hide behind. I don't want to tell you what I'm doing.

00:44:39.760 So, yeah, trust me, I don't want to have a lawsuit. Lawsuits are expensive.

00:44:43.760 Ask Mark Stein. They're cumbersome. John Kerry's got a lot more resources because he's got the government.

00:44:49.760 But we have to. We have to know who he's dealing with because the entire green agenda is based on lies.

00:44:56.760 And it's trillions of dollars that we've wasted because of people like John Kerry and they can't hide any longer.

00:45:04.760 Well, and you look at some of these situations out there that where the green agenda comes up and they say we're losing it, we're running out of all of this.

00:45:14.760 And there was a term that that Putin actually used in the interview last night, and I thought it was really interesting.

00:45:21.760 And I mentioned Darren Beattie and it actually had to do this.

00:45:26.760 It is this theory of the golden billion and essentially that all the resources of the world can only support about one billion people at a time.

00:45:37.760 And I was like, wow, the president of Russia believes in that. I just don't know if that's true, that this idea that there's an incredibly finite amount of resources in the entire world specifically.

00:45:50.760 Obviously, we're talking about someone who's got control of some of the largest oil and gas resources in the world.

00:45:55.760 But I thought it was really interesting to hear him talk about it that way.

00:45:58.760 I don't know if he meant it potentially in that in that sense. But I mean, do you think that's right?

00:46:04.760 Do you think that there's only a limited amount of resources in the world that can only sustain about a billion people at a time?

00:46:09.760 No, I think we have so many resources. The problem is we can't bring them to the surface.

00:46:13.760 I mean, you went to Alaska. I know you've been there.

00:46:16.760 You know how many resources in Alaska, but they're underground and they can't be tapped.

00:46:20.760 The Congresswoman from Alaska, Mary Peltola, who's up for reelection.

00:46:25.760 She's been tweeting about how Alaska needs more renewables.

00:46:29.760 I was in Alaska last week. It was negative twenty six degrees.

00:46:32.760 Renewables were producing no energy whatsoever.

00:46:36.760 The only thing keeping Alaska alive were fossil fuels.

00:46:39.760 And here's your Congresswoman saying no more fossil fuels.

00:46:43.760 We need more renewables.

00:46:44.760 I'm on the record supporting a competitor.

00:46:46.760 I'm a personal friend of Nick Begich.

00:46:48.760 I think he will be great.

00:46:49.760 He's very much a politician in the line of the vague.

00:46:53.760 But but how do you have a member of Congress who looks at her state and all of the vast resources in the state and says,

00:47:00.760 no, what we're going to do is we're going to depend upon China and Washington, D.C.

00:47:05.760 and build solar panels and wind turbines, which, by the way, as she was tweeting this, we're doing absolutely nothing to help the people of Alaska.

00:47:13.760 So I don't believe there are limited resources.

00:47:15.760 I think there are so many resources.

00:47:17.760 We just cannot bring them to the surface.

00:47:19.760 We can't bring produce our coal.

00:47:21.760 Biden and John Kerry wants to shut down all of our coal.

00:47:25.760 And by the way, when you say can't bring them, you don't mean you don't mean that there's like a physical issue that we can't do it or a technological issue.

00:47:30.760 It's a political political one.

00:47:32.760 Political one.

00:47:33.760 Yeah.

00:47:34.760 They don't want those resources brought to the surface.

00:47:36.760 They want those resources constrained and limited.

00:47:39.760 They do not want more oil and gas.

00:47:41.760 And that's the difference between us and them.

00:47:43.760 Look at what happened in the past administration when we had an oil guy in the White House.

00:47:48.760 We never heard about profiteering.

00:47:50.760 We never heard about price gouging.

00:47:52.760 Oil was at its lowest point in history.

00:47:54.760 You never heard about pollution.

00:47:55.760 We lowered emissions.

00:47:57.760 That's what happens when you allow freedom to operate.

00:48:00.760 We have the exact opposite now.

00:48:02.760 And look at our look at our energy situation.

00:48:05.760 You know, it's interesting to thinking about, you know, thinking about the Russian context as well, because it's it's Putin who goes in, who nationalizes all the Siberian gas and oil infrastructure when he first gets into power.

00:48:17.760 A completely unlocked Siberia.

00:48:20.760 Alaska kind of is like our Siberia in terms of natural resources, but we just let it sit there and we don't actually use them.

00:48:26.760 How do you think he's got the leverage he has?

00:48:28.760 Because he's utilizing his natural resources.

00:48:30.760 You have the same.

00:48:31.760 You don't do it.

00:48:32.760 Daniel Turner, where could people go to follow you?

00:48:34.760 Where could people go to get in touch with Power of the Future?

00:48:37.760 Powerofthefuture.com.

00:48:38.760 You can find me on socials, Daniel Turner PTF.

00:48:41.760 If you want to support our lawsuit against John Kerry, Lord knows we need help.

00:48:46.760 Thank you.

00:48:47.760 All right.

00:48:48.760 God bless Daniel.

00:48:49.760 You know, folks, look, it's a question.

00:48:51.760 Do we want to be in a managed decline or do we want America to rise as a powerful, great nation, one that it should be?

00:49:01.760 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission.

00:49:03.760 Welcome my permission.

00:49:04.760 Welcome.

00:49:05.760 NING

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - February 09, 2024

EPISODE 668： WW3 OR CEASEFIRE？ TUCKER TALKS NUCLEAR WAR WITH PUTIN

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