In this special edition of the Human Events podcast, Jack and Jack speak with Mike Benz, a commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran. They discuss how NATO got involved in the censorship industry, how they got involved with social media, and why they are trying to censor the internet.
00:00:25.060Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. Today's special edition Human Events special that we are doing regarding the power structures that govern America and really govern what we call the globalist American empire or the Anglo-American regime, the globalist regime.
00:00:44.620We can see the news every day. We can see the day to day. But what's driving the news?
00:00:49.420Who are the power players that are actually making the moves on the higher level chessboard, on the higher plane, that we can only, from time to time, get a glimpse of?
00:00:59.820One man has made it his mission to expose these power players and specifically to expose their interest in censoring the Internet.
00:01:11.060Because what's amazing about what most people will focus on is they'll say they're anti-censorship, but what Mike Benz does is explain why they are censoring you.
00:01:20.740Mike Benz joins us now here on Human Events.
00:01:23.260And Mike, would you say that's a good description of explaining what you're doing?
00:01:27.460You're not just saying you're anti-censorship. You're explaining why the censorship is happening.
00:01:31.280No, that's exactly right. You know, when I first started on this crusade to try to preserve free speech on the Internet six or seven years ago, I think I, like everybody else, thought of this as being a sort of purely domestic or political thing.
00:01:47.180You know, you look up and you see the ADL is promoting censorship or the SPLC or, you know, pink haired, anti-gendered feminists with NYU degrees.
00:01:57.120And it's very easy to see that low level and be like, well, that's who's censoring us.
00:02:01.280But then the deeper you get into it and who's behind them and who's funding them and the organizations they're a part of or who's making the censorship decision making at the higher level, you start to see basically the shape of the machine you're truly up against.
00:02:16.000And, you know, this what we'll be talking about today, I think, is is about what that structure is, how it got installed in the first place and and really what can be done at this point to try to begin to take it on.
00:02:27.240Well, and there's actually something that happened.
00:02:29.900And as we record this, you know, it's a couple of weeks ago now.
00:02:33.400But so I go on and I'm doing a hit with Alex Jones, who's just been brought back to the X platform with Elon Musk.
00:02:40.920We Alex, Elon and myself and a coterie of murderers row of individuals, I would say, went and did a an X space.
00:02:50.160And then Alex and I were doing a hit a couple of days later and we were talking about the need to pay attention, very close attention to the Ukraine war conflict because of the danger of sliding into World War Three.
00:03:02.360And I said, look at the moves that NATO is making.
00:03:05.160They've just installed a and the globalists are making.
00:03:07.460They've just installed a globalist prime minister in Poland.
00:03:10.700That prime minister is now calling for mobilization of the Western nations against Russia militarily.
00:03:20.400He was the former president of the EU, the European Council.
00:03:23.180Now we see the new chancellor of Germany, Olaf Scholz, calling for emergency sessions and emerge a state of emergency in Germany along these same lines, allowing for unlimited spending.
00:03:33.980And so, Alex and then, of course, you know, Lloyd Austin and Joe Biden, they're calling for more and more belligerent actions towards Russia and the mobilization of NATO forces.
00:03:41.440We put out a tweet that says it seems like NATO is mobilizing for war with Russia.
00:03:45.120We get fact checked, community noted on X by by the community of its team.
00:03:51.040But then we notice the citation that we're given is NATO.
00:03:54.880And when I peel back the layers of so many of these censorship organizations, these ministries of truth that are that were found out there, Nini Yankovic, people like these, the color revolutions, arenas like Nini Yankovic.
00:04:09.120Suddenly we find all of these disturbing ties to NATO, to the neocons, the neolibs, this this this this Trotskyist alliance that has somehow infiltrated our government.
00:04:22.400And they're all pushing Internet censorship.
00:04:24.820And I said, I got to ask Mike Benz about this.
00:04:30.760So to understand how NATO got into the censorship industry, it sort of helps to start to see how NATO got involved in the Internet in the first place and then went from being about free speech to being about censorship.
00:04:42.280So if you recall, the Internet started as a military project, it was created by DARPA in the 1960s, and its first use case was helping the military manage social science research data on the populations that it was managing overseas with our overseas empire, our globalist American empire, which we've had since 1898 when we took the Philippines and and mostly Cuba from from the Spanish.
00:05:16.100But the Internet was then privatized in 1991, and immediately it was it was military terrain for the purpose of helping foreign dissident bloggers and and news sources on on the Internet be able to evade state controls over media in countries that NATO was trying to topple.
00:05:38.040So, for example, when NATO got involved in Serbia and Yugoslavia in 1995 to 1999, one of the things the State Department and the CIA and the National Endowment for Democracy were doing were training Serbian political activists who were trying to get rid of Slobodan Milosevic to use the Internet to set up blogs and to set up Web 1.0 sites to spread basically pro State Department propaganda around overthrowing that country's government.
00:06:07.020And additionally bombed the Serbian media center because they specifically said that it was it was putting out information that was in contrivance of NATO's war plans.
00:06:20.800So the military has understood the paramount importance of media, especially in color revolutions.
00:06:26.660There's really two ways to overthrow a government.
00:06:28.680And this is what, you know, the Anglo-American Empire has been doing.
00:06:32.480You know, the Lawrence of Arabia, for example, is about, you know, the British covert ops, essentially, to rally the people of a country to overthrow their government.
00:06:42.640But there's right at that point, it was the Arabs and the Ottomans.
00:06:47.800So there's two ways to basically pull off a revolution.
00:06:50.680One of them is you go to the military of that country and you get a certain critical mass of their generals to defect.
00:06:57.180And so he who has the guns essentially makes the rules, so to speak.
00:07:01.180And so you can have a military coup, but then, you know, starting with the Brits, but then really the there was American innovation poured into it after World War Two.
00:07:11.540There was a there was a second strategy that was devised to be able to topple governance, which involved having it be a people powered rather than a a military powered revolution.
00:07:21.220If enough people within the country took to the streets and destabilized it and the people from the trade unions took the streets and the and the criminals who were prosecuted by that country's legal system took to the streets.
00:07:33.680And the and the drug dealers and the and the and the fringe minority groups who feel persecuted and the media personalities and the people who run the railroads and everybody shuts down the country, essentially.
00:07:46.420And then January 6th, then, if it was what it was advertised, so to speak, the end stages of color revolution look remarkably like what we were told January 6th was.
00:07:58.580And so far as I would say, by the way, the most probably the most recognizable color revolutions that that Americans, at least in the modern age, would be familiar with is the Arab Spring.
00:08:10.100Yes. Yes. Well, that was the culmination of free speech on the Internet in the eyes of the blob, the foreign policy blob.
00:08:18.140And it's and everybody talks about how it was all driven by Twitter. One point. Oh, yes.
00:08:22.520Right. Exactly. And it really was the high watermark of of the of the the test case of free speech as a military instrument in the in the eyes of the military industrial complex, the State Department and the CIA.
00:08:35.420You had, you know, during the Arab Spring, this is 2010 to 2012, one by one, all of the adversary governments that that were hostile to the U.S.
00:08:45.380State Department were toppled by their own people is how it was sold. Tunisia, Egypt, several others.
00:08:53.000But they were all organized on Facebook and Twitter using hashtags and and and Facebook rallying of all.
00:09:00.700It was an Internet organized revolution. Right.
00:09:02.780And they even tried to spill this over into Iran at the same time, the Green Revolution.
00:09:07.140Yes. No, exactly. And in fact, the State Department's Jared Cohen, who worked in the policy planning staff, which is the interstitial link between the CIA and the State Department.
00:09:16.560It's how we synchronize overt and covert diplomacy.
00:09:19.380The interagency, the the interagency. I always do that. The interagency.
00:09:25.000You know, so Jared Cohen made a personal phone call in 2009, the year before the the riots kicked off.
00:09:33.100Twitter had wanted to do this, this this temporary shutdown for maintenance on the site that happened to coincide with the 48 hour lead up to the Iranian election.
00:09:43.180But Twitter was unaware when it announced its scheduled maintenance that the State Department and the CIA were running an operation to have Iranian dissidents promote the alternative to Ahmadinejad.
00:09:55.540And so Jared Cohen from the State Department made a personal call to Twitter to keep the site open and Twitter complied.
00:10:03.940Now, Jared Cohen would then go on to after he left the State Department to join Google and specifically Google Jigsaw, which created the first AI censorship super weapons that now allow tens of millions of tweets and Facebook posts and YouTube videos to be shut down instantly using essentially word embeddings.
00:10:22.700This is a technique that Jared Cohen's team developed at Jigsaw, and he was actually the person who made that phone call to to facilitate regime change in Iran, just just to buffer your point there.
00:10:35.760But essentially what happened after everything was was looking sky high for free speech on the Internet from 1991 until 2012, 2013.
00:10:44.860And then a funny thing happened on the way to the coup in Ukraine in 2014, when the Maidan coup happened, then this was again a US, UK, NATO orchestrated coup.
00:10:57.700Victoria Nuland was handing out cookies and water bottles to the to the right sector throngs who January 6th democratically elected President Yanukovych out of office in Ukraine after getting five billion dollars worth of collective funding from the State Department, USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy.
00:11:18.820After that coup in February, March 2014, there was a counter coup, you know, much of it is alleged to be sort of Russia backstopped.
00:11:28.360But the Crimea annexation happened where the people who lived in Crimea voluntarily voted in a referendum to join the Russian Federation.
00:11:38.180And the Luhansk and the eastern provinces there in Ukraine basically broke away.
00:11:44.620They declared themselves breakaway states, not subject to the sort of US embassy run Kiev government.
00:11:50.760And when that happened, their NATO freaked out and said, oh, my God, these people are reading Russia Today online.
00:11:58.220They're listening. They're reading Sputnik. They're in their own Facebook groups.
00:12:01.740They have their own Twitter personalities. Oh, my God, they are they have their own independent media system.
00:12:08.020And that's why they didn't go along with the coup.
00:12:11.800We need the military to be much more forceful in its in its control over media.
00:12:17.600So they started with these NATO centers of excellence in this NATO censorship infrastructure.
00:12:23.180NATO linked up with the Atlantic Council, which has seven CIA directors currently on its board.
00:12:27.800Seven former number one heads of the CIA are all on the board of the Atlantic Council, which is essentially a sister group of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is which is our top CIA cutout.
00:12:37.960The Atlantic Council also has a had a formal partnership with Burisma to funnel deal flow, essentially using the battering ram of NATO to coerce favorable Ministry of Foreign Affairs actions towards these Ukrainian gas companies, including the U.S. State Department.
00:12:58.340And so you had NATO begin to say, you know what?
00:13:01.780But I think there was another another another angle that Burisma took in terms of currying favor with the U.S. government.
00:13:07.420There was some government official and they put their put their son on his.
00:13:31.460And, you know, not only was it, you know, Hunter who shall not be named, but it was also Coper Black who had spent 30 years in the CIA and received the State Department's highest Medal of Distinction.
00:13:45.500And served on Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.
00:13:48.800The Daily Beast described him as as Mitt Romney's Sherpa to the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:13:54.160So so and then Hunter Biden himself served on the advisory board of the National Democratic Institute, which is the DNC branch of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is, as I've discussed, is our premier CIA cutout.
00:14:07.440So the intelligence fingerprints were all over the Ukraine operation and the natural gas pipeline story, seizing the gas pipelines from Russia and basically paying off Houston and London gas companies where Gazprom used to make those profits.
00:14:26.520But essentially what happened is, is NATO said, wait a second, wait a second.
00:14:29.660We've always looked at the Internet like free speech is a good thing because it's the Internet has always been under our control.
00:14:35.940We've always been able to use this to create insurgencies, to overthrow governments.
00:14:40.800Jared Cohen himself, who I mentioned earlier, described the Internet as essentially a color revolution steroid injection that you could basically, you know, you could you could you could quickly and immediately do what used to take decades in terms of going running operations out of CIA station houses or embassies or consulates.
00:15:04.420And manually meeting with every leader and having to bribe every person on a one by one basis instead of aggregating everybody under a common messaging rally, evading state control over media and just having it all organized publicly like that.
00:15:19.060But the issue was, well, well, I've got to throw out there.
00:15:21.520So the counter coup happens in Ukraine.
00:15:23.180But then there's another counter coup that happens in another country in 2016 that drives them absolutely insane.
00:15:32.420And that's when people, some of whom served in that same intelligence community, took those very same tactics and took those very same techniques and applied them to the United States and applied them to U.S.
00:15:47.280people like myself, people like my friend, Douglas Mackey, who has been charged and sentenced to seven months for the power of memes, because we took all of those tactics and applied them to a populist uprising in the United States, which culminated in the election of Donald J.
00:16:16.760You know, I mean, we've been playing games in German elections since, you know, since since the day World War Two ended.
00:16:21.700But but when when the Brexit referendum happened in June 2016, the NATO censorship apparatus moved westward to the U.K.
00:16:31.180And you had the U.K. foreign office and GCHQ and the British Ministry of Defense and MI6 and this whole Richard Dearlove group that would then go on to basically create Russiagate with these with this, you know, fake dossier.
00:16:43.260Right. Which is why Christopher Steele comes out of London.
00:16:47.920So so it moved westward with Brexit to the U.K.
00:16:51.520And then when five months later, Trump was elected, that was it.
00:16:55.200There was now a total U.S., U.K., Brussels consensus that we needed that the Internet now had to adopt.
00:17:02.540It started as a free speech model because free speech was good for us.
00:17:06.500Now free speech was backfiring because Brexit was an Internet phenomenon.
00:17:09.960Nigel Farage was only a household name because of his YouTube videos, making fun of, you know, Herman Van Rompuy and European Parliament videos.
00:17:19.380I love that video. I still watch that video. I watch it for power.
00:17:22.440I watch it before we do this. I watch it this morning or after my rosary.
00:17:26.080But no, right. So you get Nigel Farage and then you get and you get with with the power of like people like Rahim Kassam at the time.
00:17:32.220Then you get Trump with the power of people online. Like I said, Douglas Mackey, Rahim again, myself.
00:17:37.180And suddenly you're starting to see this younger generation apply these same things that we've learned and we've seen other people do to the Internet that say, hey, we could use these for domestic politics.
00:17:47.600And it turns out that they're really, really effective.
00:17:50.260Yeah, they're incredibly effective. And and they're on the Internet because it was always W after W, so to speak, for the military industrial complex for from 1991 until 2014 through 16.
00:18:07.080There was no Operation Mockingbird style control apparatus to serve as a gatekeeper to contain narratives or high profile.
00:18:18.720In in the 2016 election, I'll give you a great example of this.
00:18:21.460In the 2016 election, if you went to YouTube, the number one news channel on all of YouTube was Alex Jones Infowars.
00:18:28.180Right. So Alex Jones was considered like like whatever. We don't need to worry about that guy.
00:18:32.200We've got because they've already got the Mockingbird mainstream media.
00:18:34.940So they said we don't have to worry about this stuff. Who cares about Alex Jones?
00:18:37.760It was Alex Jones and Young Turks. They were always going back and forth. And that was it.
00:18:41.500Yeah. Alex Jones had more on the on the day that he was assassinated in 2018.
00:18:48.720His channel had more views than CNN's on YouTube. One man, one independent media personality, you know, grew to be bigger than the mega behemoth broadcast company that George Bush personally put on airplanes to propagandize the Gulf War.
00:19:06.480So, you know, this is it. At that point, gatekeepers were needed.
00:19:11.620You needed essentially a digital Mockingbird operation. And from 2017 to through, you know, basically the 2020 election, 2022, obviously it continues today.
00:19:22.860But you had NATO declare this new doctrine, which Jen Stoltenberg articulated as from tanks to tweets.
00:19:30.540We need to no longer think about the you can find this video on YouTube where he's articulating this doctrine and all the NATO 2030 white papers about how we need to reorient NATO's capacity from being primarily focused on the military to being intensely focused on the media because the nature of war has changed.
00:19:48.360This is before the 2022 military outbreak in Ukraine. At the time, all the military theoreticians and all the U.S. Army War College, everyone was saying, you know what?
00:19:57.940Kinetic war is dead. It's now all moved to hearts and minds control over who gets elected.
00:20:03.920That's what war is about now, because they were looking at things from the perspective of Crimea and eastern Ukraine and trying to penetrate so-called authoritarian countries in these color revolution type models.
00:20:18.400And so you had you had billions of dollars pour into this. You had the universities all onboarded.
00:20:24.700You had the you had the doctrinal shift, as I mentioned, from tanks to tweets, meaning we're no longer just focusing on primarily focusing on tanks.
00:20:32.480NATO is primarily focusing on tweets. And then you had the the government roles.
00:20:38.440You know, this was the same network. It was the Atlantic Council who who came up with what they called the forward defense blueprint.
00:20:45.500You know, they couldn't call it offense. They had to call it forward defense.
00:20:49.680You know, it's it's incredible. But they were the ones who came up with the idea to have the Department of Homeland Security have a permanent domestic censorship capacity, which, by the way, I'll throw out there the point of the reason that they need censorship.
00:21:04.900It's because whenever they try to prop up their own inorganic or artificial type of, you know, promotion arm, they're horrible at it.
00:21:14.460They're so bad at tweets. You get these really terrible like Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter references that are just bad.
00:21:21.460And then you get these extremely cringe NATO backed online organizations like the NAFO fellas.
00:21:28.080And they're just absolutely nuts. They're so fake. They're so artificial and just just truly disgusting.
00:21:34.940And so when you know, when when when they realize how these things call always fall flat on their face, they just turn to censorship because that's the only thing that that they have found that can really stop our side, my side from getting out.
00:21:47.820Yeah, if they weren't cringe, we would be screwed. I mean, exactly to sum it up.
00:21:53.720I mean, you ever see that that picture of the new Ireland, you know, Ministry of Truth czar, you know, the totally, you know, the guy looks like he's straight out of the Goonies.
00:22:04.500Yeah. You know, so I mean, that's like a guy who should be locked in the basement somewhere.
00:22:08.280Right. To scare little children or something. That is kind of like their level when it comes to, you know, psychological persuasion.
00:22:18.440They fixate on so hard. I when I first started being in these people's Zoom calls and create, you know, because a lot of this stuff they were doing in the open in 2017, 2018.
00:22:27.540I was working on a book and a documentary about them. So I would spend my whole day just inside their own conversations and inside their own, you know, YouTube videos and things like that.
00:22:36.980And I would listen to these things and I go to one of their YouTube things and would have like 42 views.
00:22:43.200And this would this would have like Michael Hayden would be in there and Jen Stoltenberg would be in there.
00:22:48.300And, you know, the German minister of foreign affairs would be in there.
00:22:52.140You'd have all of these absolute heavyweights of of what makes the world turn.
00:22:57.200And they would introduce the conference with we're using this hashtag and please like and share this video.
00:23:01.640And we want to, you know, and it goes nowhere.
00:23:04.320It's like it's like I'm looking at this thing three weeks later. It's got 42 views.
00:23:08.400You know, my kid sister could make a video about pizza pie and get, you know, 100 X this.
00:23:14.080And so but that also compounds the terror from their perspective, which is their feeling of of utter helplessness unless they censor because they can't organically promote these dog water ideas.
00:23:26.760Well, well, let me let me pause there because we're hitting about the halfway mark here.
00:23:30.520And so you've explained. So this is why NATO is censoring.
00:23:35.560But here's the other question. What is setting the agenda of NATO?
00:23:42.580What makes them so desperate to want to do this? What are the forces behind them?
00:23:48.040And you've talked about this before, the Yankee cowboy alliance that drives American foreign interests.
00:23:55.620And I wonder if you could take some time. We've got about 20 minutes left to just really pick into what this is.
00:24:02.440Well, it's a fascinating concept that I sort of came across while trying to do research for the book I've been writing, which is this is a concept that came out of sort of left wing populists who were supporters of JFK.
00:24:15.740And were bewildered at how how to try to piece together the political forces behind his assassination.
00:24:24.460This is sort of the the origins of this thing called the Yankee cowboy theory.
00:24:27.960Let me sketch it out first. So there was a concept coined by this guy, Carl Oglesby, and picked up by Peter Dale Scott and these other sort of 1960s, 1970s left wing researchers.
00:24:38.360That that that American power is basically divided into two competing factions, one called the Yankees and one called the Cowboys.
00:24:46.700Now, the Yankees are comprised of this northeast corridor set establishment set that had existed since before America's founding.
00:24:57.740It's basically the linkage between New York City and London. It's high finance. It's it's certain high tech industries.
00:25:07.020And it's essentially started out as being these a cluster of small of small, powerful families in the northeast that we that we today sort of think of as being sort of the coast, if you will, the coastal power structures.
00:25:22.180We now sort of think of California, for example, as sort of being a Yankee faction.
00:25:26.800It was not at the time in the 1960s and 70s, because at the time, California was a red state and the military industrial complex was was before it moved to Arlington in the 80s with Reagan.
00:25:38.660It was out west. So you had this northeast corridor Yankee power faction, which was which was essentially banking and finance.
00:25:45.540And then you had a second power structure, which was mostly which started out as the southern rim.
00:25:51.920And it was it was called the Cowboys. This is what the theory sort of posits.
00:25:56.200And and the southern rim basically stretching, you know, from from the south down through Florida into Texas.
00:26:03.020And then at the time it was conceived of as stretching into California, although now I think it's easier to understand California as being a firmly Yankee thing.
00:26:11.380But essentially, the the Cowboys power base was in the military and the energy sphere and in certain other industrial sectors like like agriculture.
00:26:21.220And you you essentially had money as the power from the from the Yankees and muscle is the power from the Cowboys.
00:26:30.440And and these these these sort of early theoreticians of this of this concept, you know, talked about how in the in the early days of our country, you had this split between the the north and the south, you know, in the Civil War.
00:26:45.600You had you had you had, you know, the Yankee, you know, Abe Lincoln and the sort of cowboy Ulysses S.
00:26:52.600Grant factions and how the Yankees sort of they're the agrarians, right?
00:26:56.140The cotton, the plantation, the plantation, you know, just just dynasties down there.
00:27:02.240Exactly. Exactly. And so the cowboy faction.
00:27:05.380Exactly. It started out as being agriculture and it had some of a military touch point.
00:27:12.000And so far as when we declared the Monroe Doctrine in 1823, the U.S. effectively took over South America and those and big sugar was essentially the predecessor to big oil and big tech is now sort of the successor to big oil.
00:27:26.060But, you know, our empire went from being sort of big sugar, big ag to big oil, big gas to big tech.
00:27:33.980That's kind of been the succession of our of our power projection in many respects.
00:27:39.700And much of that big ag was was it was a cowboy thing, if you will, because you had these agricultural companies who effectively took over South America.
00:27:50.900The concept of a banana republic that we that we think of as a dysfunctional third world, you know, countries rundown way of running a government is actually actually comes from the the concept of United Fruits banana territory.
00:28:06.020United Fruit was a U.S. company that was backed by our Department of War before it was changed its name to the Department of Defense.
00:28:12.440And the State Department, we installed essentially United Fruit to run the the the governments of countries like Guatemala and other Latin American regions.
00:28:21.980But essentially during the left, it was the left that wrote all of this.
00:28:26.800And everything you're citing is chapter and verse from the old left.
00:28:30.160And they used to be the ones who talk about it.
00:28:32.440Now we come in and apply this stuff to current affairs and we get called conspiracy kooks and nuts and fringe with the aluminum foe.
00:28:38.220It's like, wait, wait, this was your book.
00:28:39.900These are I'm sure you're what you're citing is all like New Republic stuff and, you know, from outlets that are no fan of conservatives.
00:28:48.680And I'm hedging my words here because I don't want to get called the leftist.
00:28:51.660I mean, but the fact is, yeah, like it gets actually gets worse because, you know, so the theory sort of posits that, you know, the Yankees won that won the Civil War.
00:28:59.940And the Cowboys sort of played this junior position role to our Yankee empire.
00:29:04.640But then with World War Two and then there was this huge infusion into the military industrial complex.
00:29:12.140And that complex was concentrated with production facilities in California and in Texas and in our in our military projection, all the bases we have in Florida.
00:29:23.860So you had these southern rim entities which went from being sort of primarily agriculture to having a tremendous energy and military capacity that that now rivaled what was happening in the northeast.
00:29:37.980Because one of the reasons the north won the Civil War was because that was where the factories were to make the cannonballs.
00:29:53.600But when when the cowboy territories begun to get this big production capacity through the military sphere and through energy, because all of our energy is basically in that southern rim.
00:30:03.520All of our oil and gas isn't is, you know, stretching from the.
00:30:07.120So how does this play into, you know, you mentioned the banana republics.
00:30:11.820So how does this play into our power projection now?
00:30:15.380Well, because the cowboy apparatus from from you can also sort of think of the Yankees as being more like Democrats and the cowboys is sort of loosely representing up until very recently, the Republicans.
00:30:29.780And we developed this Yankee cowboy alliance developed the ability to overthrow governments, the cowboy faction.
00:30:39.940And we think of the Cold War from 1940 up until 1991 as being about, you know, a war on communism around around the globe.
00:30:50.920And and U.S. CIA and State Department and DOD and military capacities to basically overthrow governments that were communist to bring them into the American empire.
00:31:01.400And we developed playbooks to do this.
00:31:03.800And these were these were networks based in sort of cowboy muscle and Yankee money to do it.
00:31:11.280And these networks sort of went back and forth.
00:31:14.900You know, there was, you know, the takedown of JFK was said to be sort of a cowboy coup against the Yankees.
00:31:43.660And then this this brings you this, of course, brings you to Trump, who doesn't have the backing of either of these factions.
00:31:50.640And in fact, politically takes down the Clintons who have the backing of the Northeast faction and then the Bushes who are the backing of the Texas faction, the Cowboys.
00:31:59.460And suddenly he becomes this president who doesn't have a mafia, if you will, in government at that power level.
00:32:08.140And when he looks at foreign policy and foreign power projection, he says, what the heck are we doing in Afghanistan?
00:32:15.740We're not getting anything out of there.
00:32:58.100And so for the first time in years, we have a president who's not listening to either of these factions.
00:33:02.860This, of course, is in turn why they hate him and also why they seek to drive him from office, which culminates in, as we said, a essentially a soft color revolution, which occurs domestically in the United States in 2020.
00:33:17.260You had these two power factions, the Yankees and Cowboys, which had been at war with each other since, you know, since the Civil War.
00:33:24.980And in this, you know, constantly, you know, trying to coup each other, constantly trying to cooperate where they can, make money together where they can, but always trying to jockey for who's number one or number two.
00:33:35.800And then suddenly in comes this Internet powered, you know, meme magician who just sandblasts both of them out of out of basically popular acceptance and out of political power.
00:33:48.560And so now instead of jockeying for number one and two, they're both would be irrelevant effectively if you had a president who was focused on domestic priorities instead of foreign policy, who was focused on the American homeland instead of the American empire.
00:34:05.160So what happened in 2016 is you basically had this detente declared between the Yankee Cowboy War and it became the Yankee Cowboy Alliance, the Yankee Cowboy Alliance against Trump, against populism.
00:34:18.080You know, it wasn't just Trump. Also, you know, as as Trump rode to power, you know, he also rode it on the heels of Brexit and all over the EU at the time.
00:34:27.480NATO was terrified that the EU was going to fall apart because Brexit was going to happen in France.
00:34:31.900It'll exit in Italy, Grexit in Germany, Spexit in Spain.
00:34:35.440So so the EU is going to come undone. So NATO was going to come undone.
00:34:38.680There'd be no way to enforce IMF debt. The world, the rules based international order would all collapse.
00:34:43.840Which, by the way, as a great as a great point to bolster what you just said there, when Zelensky just came to the United States, he met with three he met with three major power functions.
00:34:52.200So he met with the United States political leaders. Right. He met with the head of the House, the head of the Senate and the president.
00:34:58.500He met with the military leaders. He went and gave a speech at the NDU, the National Defense University.
00:35:03.260And he met with a third entity, the World Bank.
00:35:07.720It's like it's right there, folks, right, right in front of your face.
00:35:12.020It's as as as Steve Bannon would say, it's not the deep state because it's in your face.
00:35:16.920Right. So the goal is to make these countries dependent on your power structure and then you get more power.
00:35:25.100It's as simple as that. And so because you have these entities out there that want to break out of that power structure or don't want to go along with this,
00:35:33.900pushing for a rise of a multipolar world, pushing for the rise of bricks, pushing for a parallel economy.
00:35:39.460Or, by the way, countries like India that are happy to work with you but want to maintain their own national sovereignty.
00:35:47.840They would prefer to be nation states like Hungary, like Poland, although the globalists are getting their hooks back into Poland again because it's become such a threat to them.
00:35:57.040This is why the rise of nation states is always as always leveled an incredible threat to this.
00:36:04.420Something with Trump, by the way, and Ben's, you know, I'll put you on the spot a little bit because I've never really said this publicly.
00:36:09.820But this is one of the reasons that when people go to Trump, they say, well, what are your power bases?
00:36:14.040And, you know, because he doesn't have the Yankees or the Cowboys.
00:36:17.440So he's going to you find a small business.
00:36:21.200You find a lot of small to medium sized industry across the Midwest, which still exists, even though it's being choked out.
00:36:30.920You find casinos, Steve Wynn, Sheldon Adelson when he was around.
00:36:34.760And then you also, of course, like people like Dana White.
00:36:38.020And so it's sort of this hodgepodge of other moneyed assets throughout the United States, but not really anyone who's directly related to either of those power structures.
00:37:05.980But, you know, hopefully, I mean, it's it's that scene in it's that scene in the Patriot where we're Gibson's down there in the in the South Carolina.
00:37:13.820They're like in the swamp tavern and they're recruiting the you know, they're recruiting the rebels.
00:37:18.520And his son is like it's Heath Ledger.
00:37:21.100And he's like, father, are these these the kind of men we want to be working with?
00:37:24.200And his son, these are exactly the kind of men we want to be working with.
00:37:35.100Is is so vast that and you're starting from from scratch that, you know, it's going to be a long, long.
00:37:45.000I mean, this is something that's going to take decades to have any sort of consolidated institutional power wrapped around.
00:37:53.060I mean, this the Yankee cowboy stuff goes back centuries.
00:37:56.160You know, there's every single career in Washington, every single person who's in the civil service of the foreign service is either in the Yankee or the cowboy faction, whether they know it or not, by the way.
00:38:09.420Right. Right. Now, what's been very interesting, actually, is to watch as some of these dynamics have evolved, because I actually think over the past several years, a lot of people who started out as being, you know, in the cowboy camp have actually moved over into that pirate camp more.
00:38:27.440Are you seeing this in Ukraine, for example, you know, this is Ukraine is probably the biggest issue that divides the cowboys from the pirates, if you will, in the sense that there is this growing caucus.
00:38:39.380Ukraine funding started as being basically unanimous from from the GOP.
00:38:45.240And then it's more and more. You see people saying, hey, we need to focus on the homeland, not the empire.
00:38:51.480There's been you know, I think it's up to almost 90 votes now in the in the U.S., including even the speaker, who I'm not even opining on whether he's been good or bad so far.
00:39:00.660But he has now at least begun to say, hey, you know what, we're going to we need to put conditions on this.
00:39:05.380There is that fracturing happening now. And that's why they're so frantic to prop up someone like Nikki Haley, you know, a true, you know, captured cowboy, if there ever was one cowgirl.
00:39:17.800And and, you know, that's why you have Jamie Dimon and and Larry Fink from BlackRock, because they want the discussion to be between right.
00:39:28.960Yes, exactly. It's it's it's they want the discussion to be you either get a Yankee or cowboy.
00:39:34.320They don't want you to be able to have this third option, which, by the way, and Richard Barris said and it went viral and he took a lot of slings and arrows for it on on this show just a couple of weeks ago.
00:39:44.940He said if Nikki Haley is installed as the vice president to Trump, which is the current play, then that gives them the perfect reason to take Trump out, whether they JFK him or otherwise, because then Nikki Haley comes president the same way JFK or the same way LBJ then ascended to the presidency.
00:40:07.060Yeah, no, that's that's exactly right. I mean, I would you're I hate it, but, you know, and I interestingly, actually, I should note that Jared Cohen, the CIA State Department architect of the digital color revolution blueprint,
00:40:25.640the guy who made the personal call to Twitter to keep Twitter up so that they could rig the Iranian elections and who personally oversaw the construction of the A.I. censorship.
00:40:36.820Death Stars actually wrote a book completely divorced from his other work when Trump took office.
00:40:43.000And it was about what happens when presidents die in office and what the succession is the CIA guy who just, you know, in his spare time for no reason whatsoever decides to spend six months of his life writing a book on what happens when presidents die in office.
00:41:00.140Definitely not anything remotely related to his other work, of course, just, you know, nothing, just woke up like this, wanted to.
00:41:08.720So, you know, I totally agree with that analysis.
00:41:12.640And, you know, and there look, there's a long history of vice presidents essentially running a presidency.
00:41:18.240You know, there's the argument in Cheney.
00:41:22.820Certainly a lot of elements of foreign policy.
00:41:26.220Yeah. I mean, you can make the argument, you know, Dick Cheney was was Darth Cheney.
00:41:30.140You know, to the to the Democrats, you know, SNL, you know, basically declared him to be the president during the during the Bush one years, probably just because, you know, W was just too incompetent.
00:41:41.280Which, by the way, speaking of SNL during during those years, there's actually an episode of SNL.
00:41:46.140I want to say it's from 2008 where they actually make fun of George Soros for his ability of manipulating currency in order to destabilize governments and to put them into debt.
00:41:58.680And I'm watching this thing going like is some like pinch me is somebody playing a trick on me that for there was this one brief moment, you know, kind of right before all the political tide shifted where they actually admitted the truth.
00:42:14.120And I'm sure that all of the people who, you know, who are behind that sketch have been totally disappeared at this point that that it's like it's like, yes, I am George Soros.
00:42:24.420Yes. We are taking over the country. We are using financial power.
00:42:27.720Like, so, yes, in this, by the way, obviously, in this analysis, George Soros is one of the chiefs of the Yankee tribe.
00:42:36.260Exactly. Exactly. He's he's the total embodiment of it.
00:42:40.460And, you know, it's it's good thing that's in New York and not Arkansas, because I that's that sketch could not be run today.
00:42:48.200But, you know, on the you know, on this sort of, you know, what do you do if you don't have a mafia question, you know, that I try to remind people that the GOP power.
00:42:59.200What made the Cowboys able to compete with the Yankees after the Yankees won the Civil War was this Department of Dirty Tricks that the Republicans had that the Democrats actually really didn't.
00:43:13.760You know, this this this anti-communist warfighting capacity that came out of the Republican wing, that came out of oil intelligence, that came out of the Houston Energy Mafia, this this cowboy wing is was was was the power base that allowed the cowboys to sort of hold their own with the Yankees.
00:43:36.520And the thing that Trump ran on is sort of antithetical to the financial interests of those cowboys.
00:43:45.160And so he doesn't have the muscle to fight back when the Justice Department comes after him.
00:43:50.500He's got nobody at the CIA who's going to play dirty tricks back on him.
00:43:54.780He's got nobody at the Justice Department who's going to play dirty tricks back on him.
00:43:58.060So, you know, it's like being in a thumbie war fight where somebody else gets to do the, you know, the the the pointer finger.
00:44:18.600It was because other people started making nuclear bombs.
00:44:21.520And and it was like, OK, you know what?
00:44:22.740Actually, maybe maybe we should stop this because this could actually backfire because they might do it to us.
00:44:29.580And so that's sort of what kept the equilibrium.
00:44:32.380And Trump not this is one of the issues of, you know, sort of what do you actually do in this situation?
00:44:40.380Because Trump didn't actually make a blood sacrifice offer on policy to the cowboy faction of the blob.
00:44:49.660You know, they were they were concerned about the oil and gas interests in in the Caspian Sea and in Eastern Europe.
00:44:57.800They were concerned about cutbacks to these democracy programs.
00:45:01.700You know, they were concerned about what would happen to the stocks of of, you know, Exxon and Chevron and Halliburton.
00:45:08.040If Ukraine was, you know, was essentially threatened by Russia and then all of the all these 10 billion dollar agreements that were inked between Houston companies and the Ukrainian government.
00:45:19.780What would happen to those if you didn't have, you know, a CIA State Department Pentagon battering ram that the Biden administration, you know, what was one to continue from the Obama government?
00:45:31.700Because if you remember, we were just talking about vice presidents essentially running the presidency.
00:45:36.220Well, Joe Biden ran the the Obama administration's Ukraine policy.
00:45:41.080He was, you know, the foreign the Council on Foreign Relations called Joe Biden Mr. Foreign Policy, you know, back in the in the 1970s and 80s.
00:45:50.760He had been on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for over 40 years, including either chairman or ranking member for 10 of those.
00:45:57.540So he the the triple partition plan of for Iraq was written by Tony Blinken when he was a Senate staffer for Joe Biden.
00:46:05.500Ben, we are just about out of time here.