EPISODE 712： Sen. Ron Johnson Tells The Truth About Bidenflation, FISA and Biden's Border Bloodbath
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A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Poso.
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Inflation rose by 0.4% in March on the monthly basis.
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How concerned are you about the fight against inflation stalling?
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And do you stand by your prediction for a rate cut?
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Well, I do stand by my prediction that before the year is out to be a rate cut.
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We don't know what the Fed is going to do for certain.
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A federal appeals court heard oral arguments on whether a new Texas immigration law is at
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The law, also known as Senate Bill 4, would allow state police to arrest suspected illegal border
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It's currently on hold while judges weigh its legality.
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Joe Biden's border bloodbath ends the day I take the oath of office.
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I will end the carnage, bloodshed, and killing.
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House Speaker Mike Johnson has been huddling with his Republican conference for the second
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This time to try to find a way forward after a failed vote tied to renewing the government's
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This comes as he is facing the very real dilemma of how to do his job without losing his job.
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Earlier today, the speaker met with Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who's threatened to
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oust him from his post, or at least to try, if he puts any bill on the floor that includes
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On this vote, the yeas are 193, the nays are 228.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
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Honored to be joined once again by Senator Ron Johnson of the great state of Wisconsin.
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It's nice to have the little spring action coming back around here.
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So the other nice thing that I've seen is this chart that was put together.
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I wish it were nicer, but I like the fact that it's getting attention because how powerful
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it is, this illegal immigration chart that, I don't know if everyone knows this, that
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President Trump has been posting about and tweeting about and showing it as rallies and
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handing out to people at Mar-a-Lago, is that your office actually put together that chart.
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Yeah, I was with the president last week flying up to the Green Bay rally, and we talked about
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Obviously, one of them was the border, and I mentioned the fact that this chart that I've
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really been updating on a monthly basis since I became chairman of Homeland Security back
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And what I've always liked about the chart is it shows the cause and effect, and it shows
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the magnitude of the problem of Biden's catastrophe versus even President Obama.
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Back there in 2014, he declared it a humanitarian crisis when 2,000 people were crossing a day.
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Biden had over 10,000 people per day just in December.
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And so I think what President Trump liked about it is it showed also how when he faced his own
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immigration issue, by the way, caused and sparked by President Obama's deferred action on childhood
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arrivals, I mean, that's really the main root cause of all these border crises and now this
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But when he was faced with almost 5,000 people a day, he did something about it, and he did it
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And I'm just glad that it's getting a lot more visibility than when I post it.
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Obviously, when President Trump posts this, it does.
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I thought one of the commentaries from one of the political pundits just put that chart
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and said, this ought to decide the 2024 election in and of itself.
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Again, just describing the catastrophe that is Biden and the Democrats' open border policy.
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It's something, by the way, where, you know, I'm always one of the guys who says that, you
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know, I think we need to be, we need to tell stories as well as do facts and figures.
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But it's something where Republicans as well can just have something out there.
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Conservatives, just average folks can look at the numbers on this.
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And speaking of numbers, we're going to talk about Bidenflation here later in the interview.
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But when you put it out in a very simple way for people to understand that everyone can
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look at this and say, here's when this thing happened.
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Here's when the next thing happened, the cause and effect.
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And I'd love to ask you about a lot of these because people don't realize some of these key
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decision makers, decision moments, I should say, before even Trump took office, like the
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Flores reinterpretation, which gave Ketram release, like the tariff threat, like the DHS
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tools, all of these things that came into effect as President Trump was campaigning.
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And then later when he took office, then that hits, then Biden comes in, we can see it all
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We'll be right back with a much longer segment.
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But I got a hankering yearning deep inside for this book called Unhumans.
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Senator Johnson, as we're talking about this just monumental chart that you've put through
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and there's so many different pieces, we can see the graphs, we can see the troughs,
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we can see the spikes in so many of these things.
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This Flores reinterpretation of 2015 and then the subsequent DHS rule that came out, you've
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been outspoken on this for years at this point.
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Can you explain to the audience, if they're not familiar with Flores and the impact that
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that's had on our enforcement of the border and these catch and release policies, can you
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explain to the audience who may not understand what Flores is, the basics behind it and what
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The original Flores decision related to a young girl and she was an unaccompanied child.
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And the agreement that was hashed out was that the federal government would have to turn
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over an unaccompanied child to HHS within 20 days.
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And so when President Obama sparked the latest crisis at the border with his deferred action
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on childhood arrivals, we had a lot more unaccompanied children come in, but we also had unaccompanied
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Some were real families, some were make-believe families.
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But what Obama did in reaction to that is he detained those children with their families.
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Immigrant right activists took him to court and a court reinterpreted the Flores decision
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and said that you couldn't even detain an unaccompanied child with their families.
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So then President Obama started splitting up families from the unaccompanied children because
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they had to release the unaccompanied children.
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Certainly President Trump was not able to do that either.
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So again, that is what really led to this explosion of people exploiting that Flores
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Secretary Johnson at that time completely disagreed with that court decision saying that unaccompanied
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children couldn't even be detained with their families, which I think is pretty humane
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That's one of the things Congress could have fixed.
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We should have fixed, but Democrats don't want to fix that because it helps spark and fuel
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And in actuality, what it's done is given a signal to the coyotes, the cartels, the human
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traffickers, essentially, that if you bring children along with you, that they know our
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system, they know our rules better than the average American does.
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That if you have these unaccompanied children with you, if you have these minors with you,
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that it kind of gives them a free pass to be able to walk their way right across the
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If the other, again, the result was we didn't separate families anymore.
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What we did is we let the families into the country.
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And that I should have explained that that's kind of the best the icing on top of the cake
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here is the policy result of that was now we don't detain the children or the families
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So we've seen an explosion of fake families, for example.
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We don't do DNA testing, certainly not under the Biden administration.
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And so it basically created this loophole whereby in that Homeland Security, even if
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they wanted to, they wouldn't be able to, under the court order, to go in and detain
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So the question then becomes, how do you fix that?
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I know we're going way into the weeds on this, but it's such a key issue.
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So does it have to be a legislative fix or is this something that can be done by DHS rule?
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Well, because it's a court decision, it'd have to be a legislative fix.
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But you'll notice on that chart, you'll see blue are family units.
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And you'll see that the size of the blue in those bars increases after the floor is
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reinterpretation because people started exploiting that law.
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I've also added one more modification to that chart.
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But I've also added Title 42 expulsions because Trump is pointing out the low point of
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But a lot of people say, well, that's because of Title 42.
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No, they didn't start expelling people under Title 42 till March of 2020.
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But then Trump utilized Title 42 and basically didn't let people in.
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And even though Democrat presidential candidates were saying they were going to end deportation,
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give free health care, that's what increased the, that's what led to the rise of single
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So even though that chart starts going up toward the tail end of the Trump administration,
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And even President Biden for a while used Title 42, but then he let it expire.
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And so we have the complete explosion where we basically don't return anybody.
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And of course, Title 42, that is under, that is under health concerns.
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And if we're, and it's, and it's amazing that, you know, we were, we were locking down
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And it's, it's, it's crazy for me to even think about this, that we were locking down
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We were forcing people to get vaccines and we were still letting people in across the
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border, or at least Democrats were still willing to allow this.
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Title 42 simply took all of those same restrictions that we were applying to ourselves and applied
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And by the way, this, this isn't just about COVID-19 because there's a variety of diseases
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and pathogens and communicable diseases that are coming up across the border.
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Even now to this day that like tuberculosis and others that we don't normally have the measles
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that we don't normally encounter within the United States, but they're coming up because
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people are coming across from countries and then spilling into the, into the, um, you
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know, into the interior of our country, um, from places that don't have inoculations against
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So it's, well, again, some of these diseases are endemic in different parts of the world
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And they're even drug resistant, antibiotic resistant strains of tuberculosis, for example.
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And again, the Biden administration completely ignoring that it's grotesque.
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The Biden administration that, that is, uh, informing us we need to, uh, trust the science
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and we're, we're doing all this for your own health and we're doing this for your protection.
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And I guess in, in terms of the chart, we've made it to about the 2020s.
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So what happens where this is the situation as, as the administration.
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So the Trump administration leaves January, 2021, and you can see the explosion.
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And I have no idea how else to explain this other than a massive explosion.
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As Trump leaves office, Biden takes in and it's, it's basically in the first month, you
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And by the time you're in March, it's, it's already too late.
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Well, again, I think president Biden used the exact same executive authority that Trump
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Uh, and one of the most important things is he stopped, uh, the remain in Mexico or the
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micro protection program, which really deterred people from coming.
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If you couldn't get in this country and, you know, you give it, give a notice to appear
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in court three, four, five, six, nine years in the future, uh, they should stop coming.
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And so that was probably the most effective thing together with the threat of terrorists against
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So that they actually, uh, enforce the remain in Mexico policy about when president Biden stopped
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using that, that was the signal to the world that America's borders are open.
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And so you see the explosion in family units coming to exploit that law on a couple of
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children, uh, again, single adults, uh, were returned under for title 42 under Trump.
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They were returned to a certain extent under president Biden, just not as aggressively.
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And then president Biden allowed that title 42 authority to, uh, expire when I don't think
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you really had to, because you had, as you said, you know, all kinds of reason of these
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other endemic diseases that you could have still said was a health emergency if he really
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President Biden, Democrats in Congress want an open border.
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And I was on an earlier show and people look at that chart and go, I mean, this is a catastrophe.
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Um, Mayorkas and Biden and Democrats, they view that chart as a success that that demonstrates
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to them that they have succeeded in opening up our borders, allowing six, seven, I don't
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know what the number is, 8 million people in this country, a number larger than what?
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And that's what I hope more Americans start coming to understand.
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Now, now, and the fact the matter that this is, and we talk about this all the time here
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on the program, how this is not the unintended consequences of, of good faith policies.
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No, these are the deliberate consequences of bad faith policies.
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But that being said, what are some of the reasons?
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A lot of people will see Elon Musk has been tweeting.
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I'm not sure how true that is in some of these cases.
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But from your perspective, do you think it's more from that?
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Or is it to play around with these census numbers that we see?
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Because, of course, illegals are still counted in the census.
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Well, the census numbers will take effect immediately.
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It probably already has impacted American voting patterns to a certain extent just from
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But in 2030, you've got, you know, six, seven, eight million new people here primarily congregated
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And so that will mean more congressional seats apportioned to those states.
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But let's face it, New York, they allow illegal immigrants to vote in their local elections.
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The whole push toward mail-in balloting without controls, that's made to facilitate illegal
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It probably won't take effect as rapidly as they'd like.
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But, you know, counting these illegal immigrants in the census count, that takes effect in 2030.
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And it's surprising to me, and I would say a little bit heartening, at least, that you
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do see more people now that, you know, kind of come from, I guess, the center of the road,
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more Silicon Valley types waking up to say, wait a minute, so all you have to do is buy
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a Social Security number, you know, in some alley, and that's enough to be able to vote
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We're here with Senator Ron Johnson, state of Wisconsin.
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I want to know the truth, what really went down.
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So I'm jumping on my computer, going to pre-order town.
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Can't wait to get my hands on that, we're going to die.
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And Senator, right before the break, we were discussing this idea that there's so much
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of our political process and there's so many political direct impacts when it comes to
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policy that are affected by illegal immigration.
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Now, when it comes to let's let's talk solutions, though.
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And before we because I do want to get into the Biden inflation, but solution wise, let's
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We're now hopefully on the other side of this thing.
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Let's let's say, you know, let's say President Trump is back in office.
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How do you turn back something like this when we see the numbers where they are?
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You just through your actions communicate to people around the world that we no longer
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That's what the Remain in Mexico policy did, you know, plus some of the agreements with
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Central America in terms of safe third country.
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What happens now is people get to the border, you know, through human traffickers.
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They pay their thousands of dollars worth of fees.
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They get delivered to the border right into the arms of Customs and Border Patrol.
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The Biden administration last time was at the border.
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However, CBP told us their directive was to encounter, process and disperse within eight
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In other words, somebody has probably got a plane ticket or bus ticket or a train ticket
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within eight hours and they're heading to where their destination was.
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They call down these other countries and say that was pretty darn simple.
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Now, those are the people that aren't, you know, sent into involuntary servitude or the
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So the reality is it's very easy to get in this country.
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Some of these sanctuary cities, you're put up in hotels, you're fed, you're treated quite
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And people get on the phone and people tell them, you know, they talk to, you know, other
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their fellow countrymen and incentivizes more people.
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If the phone calls are made from the Mexican side of the border and say, oh, they shut it
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I have no idea when we're going to get into America.
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You know, President Bush was faced the same situation.
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I think this was with an influx from Brazil and he had a program called Texas Hold'em.
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And that shut down and alleviated that problem by 97 percent within a month.
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So, again, these signals will be transmitted at the speed of light with telephone calls.
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So you can shut it down, I think, very, very quickly.
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Now, again, it's such a massive problem right now.
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But the first thing is to elect a president who actually wants to secure the border, who's
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serious about it, who uses full presidential authority.
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The Supreme Court said in a 2018 ruling that current law exudes deference to the president.
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Again, it's been watered down a little bit by some of these court decisions, but he can
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And not only that, but it also sends a message that, as you say, not only for the phone calls,
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but it sends a message that for anyone who's currently in the country, that when there's,
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you know, let's say there's a new sheriff in town, that leads to the point where people
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start deciding and making the decisions that perhaps it's not time to stay in this country.
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Perhaps it's time to pull up chocks and head back where we came from or head somewhere else.
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Because when you change the incentives, when you take away this toxic incentive structure
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that we currently have, it actually leads people and, you know, Joy Reid and all these
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others will say, oh, Trump wants to have this, you know, this massive deportation force.
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But a lot of this is also self-deportation that I think people don't realize.
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And to your point, once you change the incentive structure and a huge facet of that, probably
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the main facet of that, obviously, is economic, the minute you change that, people will start
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Yeah, the easiest part of this is going to be to stop the flow.
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The more difficult part is, you know, what do you do with people here?
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A lot of these, yeah, again, I can't tell you how many young women I've been, I've seen
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at the border, you know, eight, nine months pregnant.
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Now they've got U.S. citizen children, which is one of the things that President Trump,
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I think, intelligently is and vowing to end birthright citizenship is insane.
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We're one of just a handful of countries that allows that.
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But again, Democrats always talk about the push factor.
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Some of these people come from countries that are not real pleasant circumstances, but that's
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The main reason people are coming is because we incentivize them.
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It's the pull factor, and that's what we need to end.
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I mean, there's always going to be issues and always going to be other countries out there
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that aren't quite run as well as the United States, even given our current state of mismanagement.
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But simply coming as an economic migrant is not qualified, does not qualify someone for
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And you're right, to your point, the reason the United States and so much of the new world
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has birthright citizenship, these are holdovers from colonial times, right?
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So the left, of course, loves to talk about colonization and decolonization.
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But it really is, because most of the world only has citizenship through their parents.
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And so if your parents are citizens of the country, then you become citizens.
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But it was only in the new world, places like Brazil, places like the United States, because
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they were trying to, at the time, attract immigrants, trying to attract people because
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they wanted people to come from the old world and then set up shop.
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But at some point, you know, I think we have to realize we're about, you know, we're almost
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I think we could probably start moving away from some of those laws at this point.
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So as we're talking about this, we also run into a situation where the housing market is
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And this ties into the numbers report that we saw this week out of the CPI, which came
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And Senator, you were here with us the last time we were on.
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And you were bounding, pounding the drum about inflation.
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And you said inflation was about to go sky high.
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And here we are today where CPI came in way higher and way hotter than anybody else was
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How was it that you were able to make that prediction?
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Well, because we haven't done anything to reduce deficit spending, we're still printing
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And again, inflation is a pretty easy definition.
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And I've always said, to me, the best solution for inflation, stop deficit spending, but also
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But instead, what the Fed does is they start cranking up interest rates, which has a tendency
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In the event, eventually, by slowing down the economy, you start bringing inflation under
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But you never can control it as long as you have this massive deficit spending.
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So again, unfortunately, in Washington, D.C., we have a uniparty.
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You have people, the attitude, and I've heard it said, that show me one member of Congress
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who ever lost re-election because they spent too much money.
00:27:45.420
The public loves the free money from Washington, D.C.
00:27:48.800
You know, even some of the staunchest conservatives from our states come in, you know, begging for
00:27:53.900
this grant or that grant, claiming, well, that's not real spending.
00:27:58.740
No, it's all spending money we don't have, all causing us to print money, which has sparked
00:28:08.040
People need to understand, too, that a dollar you held at the start of the Biden administration
00:28:18.840
So no matter how they might lower inflation rates in the future, they're not going to
00:28:25.060
The dollar's not going to spring back up to being fully worth a dollar.
00:28:28.140
That devaluation has occurred, and that is the pain people are feeling at the pump, at
00:28:32.980
the grocery store, and it, in particular, hurts people at the lower end of the income
00:28:40.060
The wealthy, they maybe won't like it, but they can survive.
00:28:44.040
But the very people that Democrats purport to represent, people at the lower end of the
00:28:48.460
income spectrum, are the ones most hurt by the inflation spark, by their deaths of spending.
00:28:57.860
And most of the spending is all designed to buy votes.
00:29:01.560
Look at the vote-getting scheme right now with President Biden forgiving student loans of
00:29:07.080
people that voluntarily entered these agreements.
00:29:09.900
It's a small percentage of the American public that has student loan debt, and yet we're going
00:29:14.380
to transfer that debt burden to the rest of Americans, people that didn't go to college,
00:29:22.440
That's what all this death and spending is about, is buying votes.
00:29:26.280
And in fact, as Biden has shown, he made this same promise all the way back in 2020.
00:29:34.140
It's sort of this perennial election year promise.
00:29:36.560
They said, well, we're going to get it in the first turn.
00:29:39.860
He said, well, we're going to get it in the second term.
00:29:44.600
And then we know that eventually he's probably either, as you say, number one, not going to
00:29:51.060
give the student debt relief, or two, he's going to give it, which is only going to pass
00:29:55.500
those costs on to everyone else in terms of inflation or in terms of higher taxation, in
00:30:05.120
You're looking at 65% food at elementary and secondary schools, 59% fuel oil, 52% margarine,
00:30:15.260
Basic eggs for Easter are up 50% from last year.
00:30:20.580
I mean, this is a staple of our American food sources, American diet.
00:30:29.540
I want to know the truth, what really went down.
00:30:37.720
So I'm jumping on my computer, going to pre-order town.
00:30:44.320
But I got a hankering, yearning deep inside for this book called Unhumans.
00:30:59.060
All right, Jack Posobiec here, Washington, D.C.
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Senator Johnson, there's another issue in inflation that I think people don't seem to ever connect.
00:31:13.240
And this is something where, you know, Republicans and Democrats, I have to say, also have an issue
00:31:19.100
with is when they look at this overseas spending, particularly the military aid that we're providing
00:31:25.300
to so many countries, Ukraine, of course, top of the list, is, yes, actually something
00:31:32.840
And I don't think people realize how this spending does so, this massive spending, not only the
00:31:38.240
printing that we're doing, but the money has to come from somewhere.
00:31:41.880
And when the money comes, the spending goes out, that then in turn increases prices when the government
00:31:50.420
Do you get a sense on Capitol Hill when you're talking about these packages and Speaker Mike
00:31:59.300
Johnson, no relation, is talking about putting forward another, I think, a clean Ukraine bill
00:32:04.240
or possibly attaching it to something with Israel aid again.
00:32:07.540
And do you get any sense that people connect the two, the inflation and this military spending?
00:32:13.200
No, I think most members of Congress and quite honestly, the public are just whistling by the
00:32:17.640
graveyard that they'll look at a particular piece of spending and say, well, this is essential.
00:32:23.340
So don't worry about the inflationary impact of this.
00:32:26.660
But no matter where you spend those dollars, when you print them, that's going to have an
00:32:32.940
You know, to expand on this a little bit, you know, we really ought to take a look at what
00:32:38.260
Now, from a standpoint of percent of GDP, we're down at pretty historically low levels.
00:32:44.120
But when we take a look at total dollars spent and compare it to other nations, we're going
00:32:48.480
to be spending close to $900 billion just in the base defense budget.
00:32:53.860
China, you don't exactly get good numbers from them.
00:32:58.900
The next 13 nations combined, that includes Russia, probably in the $600 or $700 billion total.
00:33:05.080
So you can see that the United States, we spend a lot of money on defense.
00:33:09.300
And what always kind of boggles my mind is every time we're actually in a war or we're
00:33:14.300
supporting a country that's in a war, we can't dip into the $880-some billion that we're
00:33:21.200
allocating, they're budgeting and appropriated for defense.
00:33:28.640
I think we have not even come close to heeding the warning of President Eisenhower back in
00:33:35.360
1961 in his farewell address about the military-industrial complex and how it drives public policy, how
00:33:45.120
We need to do a serious look back, be retrospective, take a look at what all this spending, what
00:33:52.620
all of our foreign entanglements, what have been the results of these things?
00:33:55.700
I don't think we're going to be very pleased if we actually do that analysis, but Jack, we
00:34:04.100
Let's not fault ourselves for maybe doing something stupid.
00:34:08.200
Let's just pat ourselves on the back for good intentions and move forward and continue to
00:34:13.060
plunder and mortgage our children's future, which, by the way, in Eisenhower's farewell
00:34:17.860
address, that was his third warning about not plundering and mortgaging our children's
00:34:26.660
And you're also obviously referencing George Washington's farewell address, our very first
00:34:33.060
president warning us about foreign entanglements, because there's an interesting take on the
00:34:39.200
revolution that, you know, because I don't have time to go all the way down the rabbit hole
00:34:43.060
on, but there's an interesting take on the revolution that the British Empire at the time
00:34:47.300
was sort of the global system, the neoliberal order, the rules-based order, whatever you want
00:34:52.600
to, you know, whatever catchphrase that Tony Blinken is using today.
00:34:55.560
And it was the colonists and the colonials who were pulling out of that international
00:35:03.780
system and setting up the United States as an independent nation state in which it could
00:35:08.840
conduct its own commerce and its own treaties and its own diplomacy within its hemisphere,
00:35:15.520
And so it's Washington actually warning us to watch out for becoming part of one of these
00:35:20.500
global systems again, because that had led to so many issues in the first place.
00:35:26.080
And of course, people, you know, people don't always get their history on this, right?
00:35:30.460
But it was the British and French war where the United States played this sort of proxy
00:35:36.700
role in that led to the high taxes being charged in the first place that, you know, turned over
00:35:42.780
into the Boston Tea Party, et cetera, et cetera, and these interminable acts because Britain
00:35:50.760
But of course, the Americans started saying, you know, of what impact does that have on us?
00:35:56.280
Sorry, a little on the historical side, but it's interesting to me how it just kind of
00:36:00.460
parallels some of the debates that we find ourselves in today.
00:36:07.600
And again, you know, the famous saying is those who are, you know, refuse to learn history
00:36:12.580
So, you know, these empires, they generally don't fail because of, you know, external invasions.
00:36:18.420
They basically fail from internal rot or an overextension.
00:36:22.940
And, you know, I think in America here, I think you have to be very careful about us
00:36:27.140
overextending, trying to be the world's policeman.
00:36:29.940
Listen, I think we do play a role in the world and a very important one.
00:36:33.320
We can bring stability, freedom of navigation on the sea so that you have a global economic
00:36:39.900
I mean, these are things we can do and we can do them.
00:36:44.020
But right now, what I'm primarily concerned about is the internal rot brought about by
00:36:51.380
That is what is destroying this country right now is the internal wrath.
00:36:54.780
The fourth thing that President Eisenhower warned us about, again, that was such a prescient
00:37:01.160
I recommend your listeners go to YouTube and listen to it.
00:37:04.440
But he said, we cannot allow global society to descend into a state of dreadful fear and
00:37:11.080
And from my standpoint, the military industrial complex, it's one of their calling cards is
00:37:20.760
I'm not saying don't be wary of them, but to what extent does that drive our policy and
00:37:35.400
It's because political figures, political parties, they push the hate.
00:37:41.720
That's what, you know, I would say critical race theory, transgenderism.
00:37:46.700
All these things are pushing hate, dividing Americans.
00:37:49.820
It's a very it's that is what's destroying this country.
00:37:51.960
There's an interesting corollary between sort of when you see empires that overstretch and
00:38:07.060
And it's it's it's a very interesting parallel.
00:38:10.600
I haven't quite cracked the code on why that is.
00:38:15.140
Of course, you see this in the Weimar Republic, in Germany.
00:38:18.320
And now we're seeing it many times here in the United States as well.
00:38:21.960
And as you say, we've we've gotten so wrapped up in all of these causes, this cause, that
00:38:29.000
And then all of a sudden, you know, my wife comes to me and I was on with we had Dr.
00:38:33.260
Ben Carson here on the other day and I was I was joking at my my wife referred to calls
00:38:38.080
She says every time I go to the grocery store, it's like I'm paying airport prices because
00:38:41.860
everyone knows everything costs extra at the airport, but it's now everywhere does that.
00:38:46.020
And so she's not worried about, you know, what's going on in this pocket of the world,
00:38:51.780
She's worried about, are we going to be able to afford to keep our boys raised up?
00:38:57.960
Are we going to be able to afford to keep the refrigerator stocked?
00:39:03.360
This is something obviously, I mean, we're looking at gas prices right now.
00:39:06.160
I think 371 is the latest national U.S. gas average.
00:39:12.300
And so these are huge questions, especially as we go into the summer.
00:39:15.600
So if we're at 371 as our national average going into the summer when gas prices always
00:39:21.280
spike, we could potentially be looking at four dollars a gallon again.
00:39:24.100
And oh, by the way, this is at a time where where Biden refused to refill the petroleum reserve.
00:39:31.640
And so, you know, again, we get so wrapped up in these issues that we don't realize that
00:39:37.800
at some point, as you say, Senator, you got to pay the bill.
00:39:41.860
The bill is going to come and it's going to come due.
00:39:44.280
I'd also I'd also recommend your listener go back and look at Scottish.
00:39:47.760
I think it's the historian Lord Teitler, T-Y-T-L-E-R.
00:39:50.900
He described the eight stages of of a democracy and starts with bondage going to then great
00:40:00.100
Freedom leads to prosperity and affluence, which then leads to apathy that then leads
00:40:07.780
I think I might have missed one of the stages in there.
00:40:09.820
But, yeah, I think most people take a look at America.
00:40:16.600
We're certainly in some cases in the dependent stage.
00:40:20.560
And of course, once you're dependent, that's bondage.
00:40:23.320
I remember I had a finance professor say that, you know, the reason they call a debt instrument
00:40:26.860
a bond is because when you put yourself into debt, you put yourself into bondage.
00:40:38.060
Bondages generally don't last more than about 150 years.
00:40:43.560
We're running out of time, you know, particularly with the dangerous path the Democrat government
00:40:51.220
One question that I want to get into in the final segment is, and this is obviously a little
00:40:55.720
bit of what's going on on the Hill, a question about FISA reinforcement.
00:41:03.540
All right, Senator Johnson, final segment here today.
00:41:30.080
I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about this reauthorization of the House FISA program.
00:41:38.680
This is something where, of course, President Trump came in at the 11th hour.
00:41:44.380
He related to the original Russiagate situation that he faced all the way back in 2016.
00:41:57.840
Well, real quick, obviously, it sprang out of 9-11.
00:42:01.140
I think most Americans want to give law enforcement the tools to prevent future terrorist attacks.
00:42:07.500
I voted to reauthorize it last time because we were told, you know, point to one American
00:42:11.960
whose constitutional rights have been trampled on because of FISA.
00:42:22.380
It boggles my mind that, you know, people in, for example, House Intelligence and other members of Congress are happy with it pretty much as it is.
00:42:30.840
And they simply won't agree with the people like Jim Jordan, Chairman Jordan, that, you know, no, we need to put greater controls on this.
00:42:37.500
So if they're not willing to do that, I'm not going to support it, and it may not pass.
00:42:46.500
And I say this, by the way, as a prior intelligence officer who, you know, I've sat on the other side of FISA, and it is incredibly powerful.
00:42:56.580
And I think this is something which the great Frank Church talked about years ago about the potential uses and abuses of having that power in the hands of the federal government, who, by the way, was a Democrat.
00:43:10.680
You know, we used to have Democrats that actually worried about this stuff.
00:43:16.320
And I think Chairman Jordan has done a good job, bipartisan.
00:43:21.320
I don't know what's exactly messed it up in the House, but we need those types of controls.
00:43:26.340
We need that kind of reform for me to support it again.
00:43:29.820
I'd like to support something, but it has to have those controls.
00:43:32.480
Well, and this was the issue, right, that came out under the, it was the Church Committee, and then later, as you say, things that we learned during 9-11 was that essentially the NSA and the FBI were able, so the FISA court was set up so that people could, you know, that there would be a secret court that the agencies could go to.
00:43:53.540
But then the problem also became, and particularly the 702, that there were ways around the court system.
00:44:01.140
And then, of course, you also have FISA authorizations that were being signed where the agencies were basically just cooking the books, and they were lying to the court as to what was going on.
00:44:12.540
And then you have this guy gets out with a slap on the wrist for altering emails on Carter Page.
00:44:19.620
But the second part of it is that in the 702s, there are Americans every single day that are caught up in incidental collection and two-hop issues that I think is something that people, and through the Russiagate process, have given a lot of conservatives some consternation over.
00:44:38.940
Yeah, as a U.S. citizen, we have constitutional rights, and those have been laid down and understood.
00:44:44.780
FISA is about foreigners who don't have those constitutional rights.
00:44:48.020
So you can do more things with foreigners, but then when you, you know, get U.S. citizens tangled up in those types of searches, you know, that's the issue right now.
00:44:56.220
And what we're saying is if you're going to go further with U.S. citizens, you need a warrant.
00:45:00.380
You can't use FISA as an excuse to trample on U.S. citizens' rights.
00:45:09.860
The one that I know that most people remember, I think, just because it was, it became so high profile in the news, is General Flynn.
00:45:18.160
So General Flynn is having these conversations with the Russian ambassador.
00:45:26.200
And it's picked up by the national security agencies, not because they're spying on Flynn, but because they're spying on the Russian ambassador.
00:45:36.140
Then that somehow gets leaked to the Washington Post, to David Ignatius.
00:45:40.980
No one, no one's ever, by the way, been charged for this.
00:45:43.820
And you have the contents of General Flynn's conversation with the Russian ambassador splayed out across the pages of the Washington Post.
00:45:53.480
And right now, to your point, we don't really have a system to address that.
00:45:58.040
What they did to General Flynn was unconscionable.
00:46:02.640
They had to take him out because he was just too dangerous in a Trump administration.
00:46:12.040
Plus, just to set up with the FBI interview, what they did to General Flynn, just unforgivable.
00:46:21.740
And I think that's something where a lot of conservatives and a lot of Trump supporters that I talk to, when they hear FISA, their mind immediately goes to General Flynn.
00:46:32.760
And this is also, obviously, I think where President Trump's mind is as well.
00:46:36.580
Do you think there might even be a, and I'm just kind of brainstorming here, but, you know, a way to even just change the entire process itself?
00:46:44.580
Like, take away FISA and come up with some kind of court system that has a little bit more transparency, potentially even for Congress?
00:46:52.760
Well, Jack, you know, what I've been saying is what we have witnessed, the corruption in all these federal agencies, whether we're talking about health agencies, law enforcement, or intelligence, what we're seeing is just the tip of the iceberg.
00:47:07.200
But, you know, the first thing is we need to expose the truth.
00:47:13.060
And we've allowed our congressional oversight capabilities, our investigations, just atrophy.
00:47:18.580
I'm ranking member of the permanent subcommittee investigation.
00:47:21.120
This should be the preeminent investigatory body of the Senate.
00:47:31.200
That's how unserious they are about oversight, how unserious they are about investigating, particularly the government, under Democrat control.
00:47:38.460
And, you know, the House right now, I mean, it's like, they're like mosquitoes in a nudist colony.
00:47:49.520
But when it comes to corruption in government and these agencies, the corruption, the deep state runs deep.
00:47:59.800
Senator Johnson, I think you've just come up with the best analogy of the year here on Human Events Daily.
00:48:06.820
I don't know that anyone is going to be able to top that.
00:48:09.200
But, Senator, where can people go to follow you, to get more updates, to get more information?
00:48:14.720
And thank you so much for being gracious with your time with us today.
00:48:17.940
Well, Senator, it's just ronjohnson.senate.gov.
00:48:21.560
Just type in Senator Ron Johnson, and you'll get to me.
00:48:25.420
All right, Senator Johnson, make sure you're going to follow him, folks.
00:48:30.380
He's telling you how the sausage is made, what's actually going on behind the scenes from the cloakroom to the lobbyist room, all the way down to the floor of the well of the Senate.
00:48:40.780
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, if you have my permission, let us roll it.
00:48:43.740
The stories and mysteries, the hidden tales of the communist history.
00:48:52.840
I want to know the truth, what really went down.
00:48:56.100
So I'm jumping on my computer, going to pre-order town.