Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - September 30, 2024


EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW： JACK POSOBIEC & TUCKER CARLSON FROM READING, PA


Episode Stats

Length

45 minutes

Words per Minute

190.67871

Word Count

8,638

Sentence Count

655

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

17


Summary

Jack Posobiec is joined by Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones to discuss the Diddy scandal, the Trump administration, and why the FBI should be worried about P.I.D.'s new business venture.


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
00:00:40.640 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:47.220 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:50.300 Christ is king.
00:00:51.860 Jack, since you do cover American politics, are there any politicians who are seeing what's going on right now in terms that big?
00:01:00.000 There is one guy, but I wouldn't call him a politician.
00:01:06.300 His name is Donald Trump.
00:01:08.620 Absolutely.
00:01:10.300 So, I will say, though, no, I don't know that there's anyone who looks at it at that level because there's most politicians, they have their timelines of,
00:01:20.140 when do I get reelected?
00:01:21.180 I've got to raise more money.
00:01:22.020 I'm going to go get reelected again.
00:01:23.540 Constantly.
00:01:23.920 Come to this fund.
00:01:24.440 Hey, I'm sure you get invited all the time.
00:01:25.860 Hey, Tucker, come to my fundraiser.
00:01:27.260 Hey, come in.
00:01:27.920 Help me raise some money.
00:01:28.760 I've got to raise money.
00:01:29.340 I'm running, and they're not thinking about what's happening.
00:01:31.520 And then I see Donald Trump get up there with his children, with his grandchildren, and he brings up to his rallies.
00:01:36.380 After he's taken shots at his rallies, still brings his grandchildren up there and say, you want me?
00:01:42.580 I'm right here.
00:01:43.620 Come take it.
00:01:44.600 Come after me.
00:01:45.480 I'm not moving.
00:01:46.560 Folks, it's got to be us.
00:01:48.320 It's got to be the people in this room 10xing your vote, 10xing your ballots, getting active.
00:01:53.320 And look at me.
00:01:54.020 Look what I did.
00:01:54.740 I'm just a kid from Narsetown, but I said, fine, if I'm going to go back home, I'm going to bring Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones with me.
00:02:01.320 You know, people say, you know, Alex, oh, that's, you know, that's crazy.
00:02:05.640 That could never be real.
00:02:06.340 We could never live in a country like that.
00:02:08.120 You know, that would never happen.
00:02:09.340 And then all of a sudden, Oprah Winfrey is doing these infomercials with Kamala Harris, hold on, hold on, right after the FBI seized all of the P. Diddy tapes that Oprah is on from the parties that he was holding.
00:02:30.040 And so I used to think that, you know, we've got to protect Trump.
00:02:33.160 We've got to keep him safe.
00:02:34.060 We've got to keep him safe.
00:02:34.880 Now I realize there's somebody else we've got to keep safe.
00:02:37.620 We've got to keep Diddy safe because that's the next guy.
00:02:41.480 Oh, they're going to upstate him.
00:02:42.440 They're going to go for.
00:02:43.800 This guy could tell us if you want to know how your government actually works, that's the guy we've got to talk to.
00:02:49.460 Tucker, I don't know.
00:02:50.440 Maybe you have an in.
00:02:51.120 Could you get Diddy on the tour, maybe?
00:02:55.240 No, I'm serious.
00:02:56.140 I'm serious.
00:02:56.560 This is how they run the government, though.
00:02:58.260 He's definitely another Epstein operation.
00:03:00.000 There's an Epstein operation and there's a Diddy.
00:03:01.960 He's the black Epstein, okay?
00:03:03.260 He's just the black Epstein.
00:03:04.880 He just is.
00:03:05.400 I mean, I've got to be honest.
00:03:06.380 The same groups behind Epstein are behind Diddy.
00:03:08.700 The question is because people would say, how is it that so many of our world leaders have gone to an island such as that, right?
00:03:14.580 And they say, how could this have happened?
00:03:15.620 How could it be such an open secret?
00:03:16.740 And then when it happens, people come out and Bill Gates again, by the way.
00:03:19.860 And suddenly people say, oh, we all knew.
00:03:21.060 We all knew there was stuff about Jeff.
00:03:22.200 What do you mean you all knew about this?
00:03:23.860 What do you mean you knew about this kind of stuff?
00:03:25.480 And you realize we're looking at it backwards.
00:03:28.260 In order to become a world leader, you have to go to the island.
00:03:33.360 In order to become a celebrity, you have to go to the Diddy party.
00:03:38.400 This is the way their system works.
00:03:41.320 It's a rite of initiation.
00:03:43.160 And with that, Alex Jones, Jack Posobiec, I'm proud to be friends with both of you.
00:03:48.560 Thank you, Tucker.
00:03:49.280 Got a little gift for you guys.
00:03:51.060 A little gift.
00:03:52.720 One for Tucker.
00:03:54.940 One for Alex.
00:03:55.840 Tucker, Tucker, Tucker.
00:03:56.800 That's for you, brother.
00:03:57.560 I love Tucker and I love Jack.
00:03:59.880 Thank you.
00:04:00.600 Thank you, Pennsylvania.
00:04:03.220 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's special edition of Human Events Daily.
00:04:07.920 As you know, I was on stage with Tucker Carlson and just very grateful to him for having me on his tour.
00:04:15.240 We did a show right in Redding, Pennsylvania, about 30 minutes from where I grew up.
00:04:19.520 It was very much a hometown show for me.
00:04:21.380 So what we've done, as well as with special guest Alex Jones, is we've put together some of the highlights of that show for you here.
00:04:31.680 And now we will also be able to exclusively show you the behind-the-scenes interview that I conducted with Tucker that day for this show.
00:04:43.860 Because, folks, we are in a spiritual war.
00:04:47.400 Tucker understands that we are in a spiritual war.
00:04:50.240 And I wanted to get into the very questions with Tucker about all of that.
00:04:55.520 So first, let me show you myself and Alex Jones on stage with Tucker Carlson.
00:05:00.500 So, Jack Posobiec is actually from this area.
00:05:04.300 He's so from this area.
00:05:07.040 I just met his entire family at Numbered in the Hundreds.
00:05:10.840 All awesome people.
00:05:12.560 And he and I have talked about this because I actually am interested in Pennsylvania specifically.
00:05:17.800 One of the oldest states.
00:05:18.680 It was our capital.
00:05:19.300 Like, it's an amazing place with an amazing history.
00:05:22.100 And we've talked a lot about what's happened to it.
00:05:25.500 And we've also talked a lot about Kamala Harris' latest surrogate, Zelensky.
00:05:31.060 And so I thought it would be fun and interesting to bring him out.
00:05:37.040 Jack Posobiec, a man I respect and like personally.
00:05:39.460 Here he is.
00:05:40.660 Can everyone join me in giving Tucker Carlson a warm Pennsylvania welcome tonight?
00:05:50.240 Thank you.
00:05:52.240 Thank you.
00:05:59.440 Thank you for doing this.
00:06:00.980 You and I have talked, you and I have talked, you know, in private a lot about what's happened to the state.
00:06:06.920 But I just have to ask you since I'm so spun up and I'll shut up and let you describe your views, which are more interesting than mine.
00:06:12.680 But Zelensky, last I checked, was like a foreign leader from a foreign country.
00:06:17.880 And he flies over to the United States on U.S. military aircraft at your expense that could be going to the, you know, the guy dying right outside this building of a fentanyl O.D.
00:06:26.600 And he shows up in Pennsylvania, the key swing state in the closest presidential election of my lifetime, to stump for Kamala Harris and Democrats in this state.
00:06:37.680 Am I misreading what's happening here?
00:06:46.440 Tucker, the only thing that I would add, the only thing that I would add, is that none of this is happening by chance.
00:06:55.300 We didn't lose our homes, we didn't lose our towns, we didn't lose our economy, we didn't lose our cities like the great city of Philadelphia.
00:07:03.820 And it was a great city, and it will be a great city again.
00:07:07.420 We didn't lose it by chance, it was taken from us.
00:07:12.560 It certainly was.
00:07:14.480 In the name of compassion, it was.
00:07:19.440 But I'm just sort of, I mean, you're a military officer, Intel guy, you have a big foreign policy background.
00:07:24.600 You've been around the world.
00:07:26.560 Is it weird, I'm just stuck on this, and I'll stop after this, but is it weird to have a foreign leader whose salary we're paying, whose country we're supporting,
00:07:35.080 we're paying the retirement benefits of Ukrainian civil servants when our people are really hurting.
00:07:43.720 Is it weird to have that?
00:07:45.120 Is he allowed to stump for Kamala Harris?
00:07:48.460 What about all the freaking Republicans who voted to fund this ghoul?
00:07:52.180 What are they saying about this?
00:07:53.380 So here's how it works, right?
00:07:55.280 So why does Redding look the way that it does?
00:07:57.620 Why does Montgomery County, and by the way, if anyone's here from Norristown, Pennsylvania,
00:08:02.380 I'm from Norristown, Pennsylvania, born and raised, 1400 block of Norristown, Pennsylvania, Powell Street.
00:08:09.520 Every single school that I've gone to since before college has been shut down.
00:08:16.980 The hospital that I was born in has been demolished.
00:08:19.720 My high school is currently in the process of being demolished.
00:08:23.260 And you want to know where all that money went?
00:08:25.100 You want to know where all that economic opportunity went?
00:08:27.680 What's gone to places like Shanghai?
00:08:28.980 And then now it's gone to places like Iraq, and then it went to places like Afghanistan,
00:08:33.040 and now it's being sent to Ukraine to kill people, to kill Christians in a war that has nothing to do with us,
00:08:40.980 that has nothing to do with the people in this room.
00:08:43.620 And every single person in this room, by the way, is paying the cost.
00:08:47.600 You're paying the cost of it, number one, in terms of money, and then number two,
00:08:52.480 if this thing continues and goes even further the way they want it to, you'll pay the cost in blood.
00:08:57.440 And I'll tell you this, when you look at little Josh Shapiro,
00:09:01.300 by the way, it's amazing how Josh Shapiro had to wear the big lips to make sure that he was a little taller than Zelensky,
00:09:07.040 because I'm, no, no, really, it's true, because they're actually the same height.
00:09:10.300 If you put Zelensky on Josh Shapiro's shoulders, they'd still both be looking up at Barron.
00:09:17.600 That's quite an image, I've got to be honest.
00:09:20.660 The memesters will be hard at work.
00:09:22.460 But what's really going on, Tucker, is go look at not just Zelensky in that video, go look at Josh Shapiro.
00:09:29.080 I've never seen Josh Shapiro, and I've known the guy for 18 years,
00:09:32.360 I've never seen him more excited or giddy or gleeful as he was in that picture,
00:09:38.880 sending the money and the war and the bombs and the violence abroad.
00:09:43.840 And when you look at a guy like that, when you look at a guy who presided over turning my great hometown of Norristown
00:09:50.220 into a killing zone, who presides currently over Philadelphia, which is a killing zone,
00:09:56.660 and is now going off and participating in the killing that's going on in Ukraine,
00:10:02.560 you talked about religion, Tucker, and I just look at it and I say,
00:10:05.580 this guy does not serve God, he serves death.
00:10:11.480 Well, I mean, kind of by definition, I mean, without even getting the whole Ukraine thing,
00:10:16.260 I'll just bottom line it and tell you, if you don't already know, you've been lied to,
00:10:19.740 there was never a chance that Ukraine was going to beat Russia, whatever you think of it.
00:10:24.100 I don't even have very strong feelings about it, because I'm not from there, I'm from the United States,
00:10:27.620 but Russia's 100 million more people, I mean, it was always going to end as it has,
00:10:34.400 in the deaths of an entire generation of Ukrainians, it's the saddest thing I've ever seen.
00:10:38.980 Zelensky has changed the law, so now foreign companies, Kamala Harris donors, can buy their farmland,
00:10:45.260 there's going to be no Ukraine, thanks to these monsters, and it makes me sad as hell.
00:10:50.360 But it's not so different from what they've done to where you grew up.
00:10:52.820 So if you could just explain the town you grew up in, what it was like, and what it's like now.
00:10:57.680 So the town I grew up in, Norristown, and probably like a lot of the towns here,
00:11:02.240 by the way, I think I'm related to like 50% of the people in the room tonight.
00:11:06.300 At least.
00:11:07.500 But my whole family is here, my mom, my dad, my wonderful wife Tanya, my kids, they're all back here.
00:11:14.180 Hi guys, my cousins, they're all right around here.
00:11:16.720 The whole Posobics are here.
00:11:17.840 By the way, Kamala Harris was talking this morning about, oh, she was like, excuse me,
00:11:23.560 Scamala Harris was talking about the, because she is a complete scam,
00:11:27.060 the biggest scam that's ever perpetuated on the American people.
00:11:30.140 And she's now said that she's got the endorsement of the Polish Catholics
00:11:34.180 and the Polish Americans of Pennsylvania.
00:11:36.680 Well, I don't know if we have any polls in this room,
00:11:39.940 but I'm not going to be voting for Kamala Harris, and none of my family is either.
00:11:44.740 Is anyone in this room going to vote for Kamala Harris?
00:11:47.840 She really said the, I'm no expert.
00:11:52.040 She said that this morning, that the Polish Americans.
00:11:53.800 She said the Polish Catholics are the least likely ever to vote for me, is that what she said?
00:11:57.260 No, she said all the Polish Americans, and all polls are,
00:12:00.140 we pretty much only come in one flavor, Tucker, so it's synonymous with Catholic.
00:12:04.360 She said they're all going to be voting for me, and that's 800,000.
00:12:06.800 And this was up on her Twitter.
00:12:07.640 I don't think so.
00:12:08.200 And up on her campaign, and I'm like, and I said, no,
00:12:11.360 I don't think she has a chance of winning Polish Americans, but she's going to speak for us.
00:12:14.340 So the town I grew up in was incredible, and, you know, whatever people want to think about me
00:12:21.460 or want to say about me, I would trade everything that I have, not my family,
00:12:25.800 but all, like, the material things that I have, if I could just have my town back.
00:12:31.220 If I could just have my town back.
00:12:32.640 Because to me, success, to me, to be successful meant moving to a nicer part of my town,
00:12:40.640 or, like, a bigger house at the other end of the street.
00:12:43.380 Like, you never, I didn't have any dreams of, like, being up on stage with Tucker Carlson
00:12:47.120 or any of this stuff, you know.
00:12:49.320 And it was the time of town where, you know, my family comes from Poland, as I mentioned,
00:12:54.460 and we've been in Norristown for 100-plus years,
00:12:57.120 and every single member of my family was baptized at the same church
00:13:01.080 until my son, Jack-Jack, who's sitting out there.
00:13:03.680 Jack-Jack, not too many video games.
00:13:07.220 And we had the same church.
00:13:10.020 We pretty much lived in the same block.
00:13:11.340 I grew up in the same house that my father grew up in when he was a little boy
00:13:14.400 because that's what you did.
00:13:15.520 And the children that I played with were the kids of the children that my father played with
00:13:20.580 and his father before.
00:13:22.100 And your whole world was a couple of blocks.
00:13:24.860 And that's pretty, and everybody knew everybody, and it was good.
00:13:27.420 It wasn't the nicest place in the world.
00:13:29.040 It wasn't the most fantastic.
00:13:30.480 Nobody was ever writing, you know, songs about it or anything.
00:13:32.840 But it was a good place where honest, hardworking people could make a living,
00:13:37.580 could go home and make enough for their families,
00:13:40.080 and then go home and maybe catch an Eagles game after work.
00:13:46.420 I mean, I think you've described what most people want, actually.
00:13:50.600 Most people don't dream of having helicopters.
00:13:53.020 They dream of living where they grew up with the people they went to high school with.
00:13:57.120 Walking distance from their grandparents' graves?
00:13:59.140 That's not too much to ask, is it?
00:14:01.220 My grandmom lived at the other end of the street so we could go over to her house to go swimming.
00:14:05.720 The school was within walking distance.
00:14:07.920 It was all right there.
00:14:09.040 And the library was in walking distance, and I used to go down to the library and read a lot.
00:14:15.700 And my mom would let me go by myself when I got a little bit older,
00:14:19.740 but then she stopped letting me go to the library by myself
00:14:23.160 when the homeless people that kept being let in were stabbing each other in there.
00:14:27.520 And this Montgomery County Public Library, go look it up,
00:14:30.860 that this became a place for transients and vagrants.
00:14:35.560 And then all of a sudden, during the 1990s, Section 8 started coming in,
00:14:39.480 and all the other federal programs started coming in.
00:14:42.500 And then, oh yes, Norristown got turned into a sanctuary city.
00:14:47.940 So after that, we got all the illegals that flooded over,
00:14:52.180 destroyed the health care system because they go where?
00:14:54.360 They go to the emergency room for their health care.
00:14:57.240 So I actually wrote a letter to the editor in the paper saying,
00:15:02.000 we shouldn't do this because it's in the end of the 90s.
00:15:06.240 I don't even know how old I was.
00:15:07.720 And I said, we shouldn't do this because this is going to overload
00:15:10.380 and overwhelm our health care system.
00:15:12.840 And as I just mentioned, the hospital that I was born in is now a vacant lot
00:15:17.420 next to a Planned Parenthood clinic.
00:15:21.640 And look, that's whatever.
00:15:23.340 That's my story.
00:15:24.360 But that's not a unique story, Tucker.
00:15:26.660 No, it's not.
00:15:27.340 And I'm sure most of the people in this room either live through something like this
00:15:31.700 or know people who live something like this.
00:15:33.640 And what I've come to learn, what I have come to learn,
00:15:36.140 that it's by politicians like Josh Shapiro
00:15:38.120 and politicians like Joe Biden from Scranton and all the others
00:15:41.360 who have done this to us, Tucker.
00:15:43.920 This was done by design.
00:15:46.360 People were taken for granted.
00:15:47.480 Their lives were destroyed.
00:15:48.340 Their communities were destroyed.
00:15:49.420 And I do not have any explanation for it other than they serve death
00:15:53.820 and they hate the people they're supposed to represent.
00:15:56.040 You know what strikes me about what you're saying,
00:15:59.820 and it is such a familiar story, particularly in this state, I have noticed,
00:16:05.420 all over the state, you know, east to west, is how fast it happened.
00:16:10.760 I mean, you're not 70 years old.
00:16:12.300 So you're saying you lived multiple generations of your family in the same town,
00:16:17.200 all went to the same church, and then in like 10 years, it's all gone.
00:16:20.080 It was so fast.
00:16:22.640 And as a kid, you know, it was kind of shocking.
00:16:24.780 And, you know, look, my parents, when they moved this out,
00:16:27.060 they wanted to keep us safe.
00:16:28.540 You know, it starts with your bike getting stolen,
00:16:31.440 and then your next bike gets stolen, and then your third bike gets stolen.
00:16:35.060 And, you know, this was a town where, you know, it's idyllic.
00:16:39.160 You know, it's kind of the cliche, but you could leave your door unlocked, you know.
00:16:43.720 And your babysitters were like the girls who lived next door
00:16:46.580 that was a little bit older.
00:16:47.560 And then when you went out to play, mom never said, you know,
00:16:50.480 oh, I'm worried about your area, because you knew your neighbors.
00:16:52.360 And so your neighbors would say, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, he's here,
00:16:55.080 and, you know, make sure you go home, because it's going to be nighttime,
00:16:57.200 and then you go out.
00:16:58.060 And then, and that's how it was.
00:17:00.000 And suddenly within that lifetime,
00:17:01.960 and I know my two boys are like sitting right there,
00:17:04.540 that Jack-Jack and AJ,
00:17:06.720 I've never even taken them down the street where I grew up.
00:17:10.180 Why?
00:17:11.200 Because I'm worried they would be shot.
00:17:14.160 Because that's how bad the gang violence has gotten there in the time since.
00:17:17.860 The open murderers that take place there all the time,
00:17:20.940 the illegals that are selling drugs all over the place.
00:17:23.480 We had, like, a couple of Jamaicans that were behind us, you know,
00:17:26.640 that were drug dealers,
00:17:27.480 and they would keep Rottweilers out to keep people away,
00:17:29.520 and they kept getting arrested.
00:17:30.740 But then every time they got arrested,
00:17:32.660 they would, something strange would happen, Tucker,
00:17:34.540 because they would come back after they got arrested.
00:17:37.100 And so when you're little, you think, oh, well, you know,
00:17:39.080 the cops are the good guys, and they can take away the bad guys.
00:17:41.500 And so you wonder, wait a minute,
00:17:44.120 why don't the police just come and get rid of all these bad guys?
00:17:46.340 And wait a minute, I think there's some bad guys over there,
00:17:48.140 and some bad guys over here.
00:17:49.000 And suddenly you realize that all of the standards of living,
00:17:55.140 and the quality of life,
00:17:56.020 and these basic suppositions that you have about the way the social contract
00:17:58.640 is supposed to work,
00:17:59.540 actually don't seem to work sometimes.
00:18:01.440 And it turns out the leaders aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing,
00:18:04.620 and suddenly the towns are being completely destroyed,
00:18:07.800 and you don't understand.
00:18:09.420 And as a kid, you don't understand.
00:18:10.640 And even now I'm still kind of asking questions,
00:18:12.080 why did that happen?
00:18:13.180 But I did realize one thing, Tucker.
00:18:15.600 I did realize one thing,
00:18:16.860 and throughout all of whatever I've done,
00:18:19.240 you know, and by the way,
00:18:20.280 you know, I'm, you know, Narsetown,
00:18:22.480 I've got to give a shout out to Corpolis while I'm up here.
00:18:24.720 Corpolis tomato pie.
00:18:26.960 We'll get Tucker some Corpolis.
00:18:28.600 All right, trust me on this, Tucker, trust me.
00:18:30.060 That's all right, it's Italian.
00:18:31.080 You'll like it.
00:18:32.120 That best tomato pie in the state.
00:18:34.360 That, pride of Philly, by the way,
00:18:36.000 that it will not stop until it is stopped.
00:18:41.280 It will not stop until people get together,
00:18:44.060 and they vote, and they take action,
00:18:46.200 and they do the ballots,
00:18:47.360 and the activity, and the work,
00:18:49.140 because every single time something like this is going on around the world,
00:18:52.620 whether it be Russia and the Bolsheviks,
00:18:54.720 whether it be China,
00:18:55.760 whether it be Spain,
00:18:57.260 whether it be France and the French Revolution,
00:18:59.580 all of the insanity continues on until the people of that country,
00:19:04.360 the people of the state,
00:19:05.840 rise up and say,
00:19:07.640 no, absolutely not.
00:19:09.880 No more.
00:19:11.260 You've gone too far.
00:19:13.040 We will not cross this line anymore,
00:19:15.000 and we are going to stop you,
00:19:17.160 and we're going to find a leader,
00:19:18.320 and even if you try to kill that leader,
00:19:22.400 and even if you try,
00:19:23.240 which, by the way,
00:19:24.000 right in the state,
00:19:24.740 Butler, PA,
00:19:25.760 you know,
00:19:26.120 where they tried to take out Donald Trump on stage,
00:19:28.640 funny how it is that Josh Shapiro
00:19:30.340 doesn't seem interested in that investigation,
00:19:33.240 doesn't seem interested in finding out
00:19:34.720 who fired that bullet or why,
00:19:36.600 and didn't provide the Pennsylvania State Police
00:19:39.820 that he should have that day,
00:19:41.160 we're writing an entire book about this,
00:19:42.940 that,
00:19:43.300 bulletproof,
00:19:45.440 he's got it,
00:19:46.760 that you realize that at some point,
00:19:49.420 at some point,
00:19:50.580 Tucker,
00:19:51.480 is it indifference,
00:19:53.220 is it incompetence,
00:19:55.240 or is it complicity?
00:19:58.240 Well, I mean,
00:19:58.880 we don't need to guess, right?
00:20:00.480 I mean,
00:20:00.940 we always would say in the news business,
00:20:02.980 you can't know people's motive.
00:20:04.520 I always would say that.
00:20:05.740 You try to be humble about what you know
00:20:07.520 and what you don't know,
00:20:08.440 but after a while,
00:20:09.300 you realize you do
00:20:10.260 because the goal is the result,
00:20:13.660 actually.
00:20:14.420 The goal is the result.
00:20:15.600 The point of the system is what it does.
00:20:16.960 The point of the system is what it does,
00:20:18.800 and that is true over time.
00:20:20.940 So if they come in
00:20:22.260 and make changes
00:20:23.900 and your neighborhood goes
00:20:25.500 from a cohesive,
00:20:27.360 beautiful, safe place
00:20:28.420 to a slum in 10 years,
00:20:30.940 they wanted to do that.
00:20:32.860 And if they do that to places
00:20:34.420 all over your state,
00:20:36.300 they did that on purpose.
00:20:37.400 Like,
00:20:37.760 I don't think we need to guess,
00:20:38.600 do we?
00:20:38.860 And if you don't investigate
00:20:40.700 attempted murder
00:20:41.620 of a presidential candidate,
00:20:43.440 you're in favor of the murder
00:20:44.420 of a presidential candidate.
00:20:47.080 Well,
00:20:47.500 I'll tell you something else,
00:20:48.420 and here's the good news.
00:20:49.360 Here's the good news on that front.
00:20:51.940 So,
00:20:52.540 they tried to take out Trump once,
00:20:55.360 and we said,
00:20:55.880 we're going to write
00:20:56.460 an entire book about it
00:20:57.560 in like a month,
00:20:58.980 which we did.
00:20:59.540 We wrote a snap book about it
00:21:00.740 called Bulletproof,
00:21:02.460 and then they tried
00:21:03.680 to take him out again
00:21:04.540 a second time,
00:21:06.020 even before we finished that.
00:21:06.920 So we put that part
00:21:08.320 in the second book as well,
00:21:09.560 and that guy,
00:21:10.520 funny enough,
00:21:11.240 Tucker,
00:21:12.000 wouldn't you believe,
00:21:13.940 had just come from overseas,
00:21:15.640 do you know where the second shooter
00:21:17.060 just came from,
00:21:18.020 Tucker?
00:21:19.340 Ukraine.
00:21:20.660 He came from Ukraine,
00:21:21.880 where he was a foreign fighter
00:21:24.080 over there
00:21:24.920 who had received training,
00:21:26.700 and then used that training
00:21:28.160 to come here
00:21:29.080 to this country
00:21:29.980 to try to kill
00:21:31.440 the one person
00:21:32.860 who's trying to stop
00:21:34.460 all of the things
00:21:35.620 that we just talked about
00:21:36.920 from happening.
00:21:37.820 And he said,
00:21:38.680 in order to do so,
00:21:40.540 it is morally correct.
00:21:42.620 He said it's morally correct,
00:21:44.080 and then the DOJ this morning
00:21:45.520 puts out a letter
00:21:47.120 from this psychopath
00:21:49.540 from Ukraine
00:21:50.380 that says,
00:21:53.160 even if I can't solve the job,
00:21:55.060 even if I can't get the job
00:21:56.100 done myself,
00:21:57.460 there's a bounty
00:21:58.740 on Trump's head
00:22:00.420 for $150,000.
00:22:03.920 And the DOJ,
00:22:04.600 of course,
00:22:04.860 put this out on purpose.
00:22:05.900 They could have put that
00:22:06.480 under seal.
00:22:07.140 They could have redacted it.
00:22:07.940 How many things
00:22:08.340 did the government redacted,
00:22:09.300 Tucker?
00:22:09.680 They could have redacted that.
00:22:10.760 They didn't.
00:22:11.180 Well, the Nashville shooting
00:22:12.220 we just got two years later.
00:22:13.800 The Nashville shooting,
00:22:14.640 which they fought tooth and nail
00:22:16.260 to give us the manifesto of,
00:22:18.300 which was like,
00:22:18.780 oh, I hate Christians
00:22:19.740 and I hate white people,
00:22:20.880 so I'm going to kill
00:22:21.660 Christian white people.
00:22:22.500 It's like, oh, wow,
00:22:23.260 what a surprise.
00:22:24.140 I was so shocked.
00:22:25.280 So we find out that,
00:22:26.860 and then on this one,
00:22:28.600 look, Tucker,
00:22:29.260 I don't trust Josh Shapiro.
00:22:30.880 I definitely don't trust
00:22:32.180 Merrick Garland.
00:22:33.260 So what we've decided to do
00:22:34.920 with this,
00:22:35.820 it started as a book,
00:22:38.000 we're launching our own
00:22:38.840 investigation into what went on,
00:22:40.580 and we've hired a private
00:22:41.740 investigative firm,
00:22:43.440 and some of whom are actually
00:22:44.920 in the crowd today,
00:22:45.980 just FYI,
00:22:46.760 and we are going to be
00:22:48.580 expanding that investigation
00:22:49.940 from Bethel Park
00:22:51.220 to Butler
00:22:52.100 down to West Palm Beach
00:22:53.880 all the way out to Hawaii.
00:22:55.480 Tucker,
00:22:55.920 we're going to go to Ukraine
00:22:56.940 if we have to.
00:22:57.620 We are going to get
00:22:58.820 to the bottom
00:22:59.380 of what happened.
00:23:00.340 We're calling it
00:23:00.860 the Bulletproof Project
00:23:01.840 because I just don't trust
00:23:02.760 any of these people.
00:23:03.700 I don't trust any of these people.
00:23:05.220 Be careful in Ukraine.
00:23:07.420 I may not go personally
00:23:08.740 again over there,
00:23:09.720 but the one thing
00:23:11.320 that we have learned,
00:23:12.140 Tucker,
00:23:12.380 is this bounty,
00:23:14.220 the $150,000,
00:23:15.340 and I promised people
00:23:16.140 that I would drop some news,
00:23:17.120 so I had the information
00:23:18.080 about the bounty
00:23:18.760 on Friday.
00:23:20.480 We found that out today.
00:23:21.380 I didn't know
00:23:21.620 the Department of Justice
00:23:22.440 would be publicizing
00:23:23.620 the bounty
00:23:24.000 like it's a John Wick movie,
00:23:25.180 and they put it out there.
00:23:28.760 Matt Gaetz comes on my show
00:23:29.960 a couple of days ago
00:23:30.900 and he says
00:23:31.600 there's five assassination teams
00:23:33.380 targeting Trump.
00:23:34.600 Five assassination teams,
00:23:35.940 three of which have foreign ties.
00:23:37.080 I think we know
00:23:37.520 one of them already,
00:23:38.480 and then two of which
00:23:40.000 are domestic.
00:23:41.820 What people need
00:23:42.500 to understand
00:23:43.180 is the bounty
00:23:43.980 and the five assassination teams
00:23:45.680 are tied.
00:23:46.780 It's like they're actually
00:23:48.000 competing
00:23:48.700 for this bounty.
00:23:50.740 Donald Trump's
00:23:51.700 very life
00:23:52.940 is on the line,
00:23:54.320 and every time
00:23:55.080 he goes up to speak now,
00:23:56.340 he has to stand behind
00:23:57.380 what I call
00:23:57.920 leftist glass
00:23:58.880 because they keep
00:23:59.760 trying to kill him.
00:24:01.880 He's a brave man,
00:24:03.120 I must say,
00:24:03.740 whatever you think of Trump.
00:24:05.260 He doesn't need this.
00:24:08.360 So when I had the opportunity
00:24:09.700 to sit backstage
00:24:10.580 with Tucker Carlson,
00:24:11.960 I noticed that there's been
00:24:13.300 a sort of undercurrent
00:24:14.600 on his tour.
00:24:16.100 He's been talking
00:24:16.980 more and more
00:24:17.700 about spiritual warfare,
00:24:19.340 and folks,
00:24:20.100 yes,
00:24:20.300 it is Halloween season,
00:24:21.920 but at the same time,
00:24:23.500 we do have to actually
00:24:24.500 start to ask
00:24:25.260 these questions.
00:24:26.880 Are demonic forces real?
00:24:29.780 Is the supernatural world
00:24:31.780 in fact real?
00:24:33.360 We got information
00:24:34.040 just a few weeks ago
00:24:34.860 that the Shroud of Turin
00:24:35.920 is in fact real.
00:24:38.260 The question before us
00:24:39.880 is one
00:24:40.760 that we can actually
00:24:41.740 observe with our own eyes.
00:24:43.860 Evil is real
00:24:44.960 in the world.
00:24:46.040 We can see it.
00:24:46.780 The question is,
00:24:48.060 is evil driven
00:24:48.980 by an evil
00:24:50.380 supernatural force?
00:24:52.200 And if evil
00:24:53.140 is in fact
00:24:53.900 true,
00:24:55.560 does then
00:24:56.140 that mean
00:24:57.180 to follow
00:24:57.980 that good
00:24:59.360 is also true?
00:25:01.040 I had the opportunity
00:25:01.920 to talk to Tucker
00:25:02.700 about this,
00:25:03.720 and you guys get to see it now
00:25:04.740 for the first time.
00:25:06.880 Tucker,
00:25:07.680 we're here in Reading.
00:25:08.840 We're on the tour,
00:25:09.840 but there's been
00:25:10.600 an interesting
00:25:11.220 through-line,
00:25:13.220 undercurrent theme
00:25:14.460 that I've noticed
00:25:15.020 on your tour
00:25:15.600 as you've been going
00:25:16.200 through these events.
00:25:17.980 Are we in a spiritual war?
00:25:21.100 Well,
00:25:21.580 I mean,
00:25:21.820 let me just say
00:25:22.480 I am the least
00:25:23.520 qualified person
00:25:24.560 to speak on this
00:25:25.320 or any other
00:25:26.060 spiritual topic
00:25:27.660 in that
00:25:28.280 my flaws
00:25:28.800 are really obvious.
00:25:29.920 They're certainly
00:25:30.340 obvious to me,
00:25:31.280 and I have no
00:25:32.520 grounding at all
00:25:33.760 in theology
00:25:34.860 or religion
00:25:37.260 or anything.
00:25:38.600 So,
00:25:39.400 I really shouldn't
00:25:40.240 even be talking
00:25:40.780 about this.
00:25:41.360 It's just that
00:25:41.860 it's so obvious
00:25:42.740 to me
00:25:43.560 that the motives
00:25:45.300 we ascribe
00:25:46.020 to people
00:25:46.760 are not the whole story
00:25:48.020 and that people
00:25:48.620 are being acted on
00:25:49.820 by forces
00:25:51.180 outside of nature,
00:25:53.000 which we call
00:25:54.140 above nature,
00:25:55.060 super nature,
00:25:56.280 supernatural,
00:25:57.660 and
00:25:58.020 I don't think
00:26:00.300 any honest person
00:26:01.240 can deny that.
00:26:01.980 I don't think
00:26:02.280 you need to be a Christian,
00:26:03.180 which I am,
00:26:03.680 by the way,
00:26:04.560 but to see that,
00:26:06.060 I think you just need
00:26:06.800 to apply logic
00:26:08.940 and empiricism
00:26:10.380 and just look around
00:26:11.300 like,
00:26:11.560 what is that?
00:26:12.040 Why are they doing that?
00:26:13.500 Why are they
00:26:13.980 worshipping violence
00:26:15.100 even when it doesn't
00:26:16.640 help them?
00:26:17.060 Killing for its own sake.
00:26:18.320 What is that?
00:26:19.280 And that's not
00:26:20.820 a human,
00:26:21.300 that's not a natural
00:26:22.000 human impulse.
00:26:23.020 Animals don't
00:26:23.540 worship violence.
00:26:24.440 They use violence
00:26:25.400 as a means
00:26:26.560 to achieve what they want,
00:26:27.740 like eating,
00:26:28.960 but they don't do it
00:26:29.920 for its own sake.
00:26:31.500 And our leaders
00:26:32.280 do it for its own sake.
00:26:33.280 They hurt people
00:26:33.980 for the thrill
00:26:34.580 of hurting people.
00:26:35.400 Again,
00:26:35.580 that's not
00:26:36.160 a natural instinct.
00:26:38.720 It's a supernatural
00:26:39.780 instinct,
00:26:40.560 and it's evil.
00:26:41.420 And we see it
00:26:42.180 all around us.
00:26:43.360 So yes,
00:26:44.280 of course,
00:26:44.700 this is a spiritual war.
00:26:46.280 Obviously,
00:26:46.800 it's not a crackpot
00:26:48.140 thing to say.
00:26:49.900 It's the opposite.
00:26:50.880 It's the obvious conclusion.
00:26:52.980 And what's wild to me
00:26:54.500 is that we're so dulled,
00:26:55.980 we're so trained
00:26:57.400 to ignore the obvious,
00:26:59.360 and to suppress
00:27:01.920 our own instincts,
00:27:03.380 that it's like,
00:27:04.360 it sounds crazy
00:27:05.080 to the modern
00:27:06.360 Western ear,
00:27:07.040 but yeah,
00:27:07.860 it's clear.
00:27:09.360 It's actually
00:27:09.640 kind of interesting
00:27:10.160 that you can
00:27:11.080 find your way
00:27:12.460 in a sense
00:27:13.600 to the good
00:27:15.380 because of the obvious
00:27:17.100 reality of evil.
00:27:18.920 It's smart.
00:27:19.600 I strongly agree,
00:27:21.100 and that's been
00:27:21.900 my path,
00:27:22.560 actually.
00:27:23.580 And I've had this
00:27:25.140 since now,
00:27:26.000 everyone I know
00:27:26.660 talks about
00:27:27.400 the spiritual realm
00:27:29.220 all the time.
00:27:30.460 And again,
00:27:31.100 I think we're from
00:27:31.760 different parts of the country,
00:27:32.620 different cultures.
00:27:33.160 I did not grow up
00:27:34.440 in that culture at all.
00:27:35.880 Like,
00:27:36.100 I never met anyone
00:27:36.980 who had like a crucifix
00:27:38.820 in the house
00:27:39.380 or went to like
00:27:40.580 a religious school
00:27:41.480 or believed in God,
00:27:42.540 really.
00:27:43.100 I mean,
00:27:43.260 I never met anybody.
00:27:44.020 There was nobody.
00:27:45.180 And,
00:27:45.660 you know,
00:27:45.740 I'm from Southern California,
00:27:46.940 an affluent town
00:27:47.400 in Southern California,
00:27:48.220 no Catholic people.
00:27:49.440 It was,
00:27:50.400 you know,
00:27:52.000 secular Protestants
00:27:53.060 like me,
00:27:53.740 secular Jews
00:27:54.380 like my friends.
00:27:55.780 Nobody talked
00:27:56.820 about this stuff.
00:27:57.520 So,
00:27:58.200 now,
00:28:01.140 like everyone I know,
00:28:02.500 no matter how they grow up
00:28:04.000 is not everyone,
00:28:04.820 but a lot of people
00:28:05.320 are talking about this stuff
00:28:06.080 and a lot of people
00:28:06.900 are saying exactly
00:28:07.580 what you just said.
00:28:08.400 People in my orbit.
00:28:09.800 I never believed
00:28:11.020 that there could be
00:28:11.900 a supernatural realm
00:28:12.840 or God
00:28:13.460 until I saw
00:28:14.280 this evil,
00:28:16.320 which I couldn't explain
00:28:17.380 its origin
00:28:17.900 or its purpose
00:28:18.600 because it has no
00:28:19.720 human purpose.
00:28:21.820 And that
00:28:22.580 put me on this path
00:28:23.880 to understanding
00:28:24.580 that there's not simply evil
00:28:26.260 but also good,
00:28:26.980 which is also all around us,
00:28:28.140 which we don't notice,
00:28:29.140 but it's real.
00:28:29.820 You talk about influences.
00:28:33.620 These are influences
00:28:34.560 and they're friends of mine.
00:28:37.860 Jack Posobiec.
00:28:39.360 Where's Jack?
00:28:40.320 Jack.
00:28:41.320 He's done a great job.
00:28:44.820 All right,
00:28:45.480 we're back.
00:28:45.920 Jack Posobiec here
00:28:46.760 at Human Events Daily.
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00:30:06.800 Yeah, and I've always said
00:30:08.040 that's a, you know,
00:30:09.900 they talk about, you know,
00:30:10.860 black pill and the white pill.
00:30:12.200 You know, the black pill
00:30:12.860 is despair.
00:30:13.420 The white pill is hope.
00:30:14.080 The biggest white pill
00:30:14.760 is that when you realize
00:30:15.540 that there is evil
00:30:16.460 and when you realize that,
00:30:17.900 wait a minute,
00:30:18.400 this person is acting that way
00:30:19.700 because they're evil
00:30:20.760 or because they're being acted
00:30:21.780 on by people
00:30:22.380 in a greater sense of it,
00:30:24.520 not to go like
00:30:25.000 super theological on you,
00:30:26.400 but that if that must be real,
00:30:29.020 then wait a minute.
00:30:30.280 Does that mean
00:30:30.860 the other stuff is real?
00:30:31.860 Does that mean
00:30:32.160 the good guys are real?
00:30:32.960 Well, yeah, and I don't,
00:30:33.920 I mean, I'll just say
00:30:34.840 right up front,
00:30:35.520 I don't know any theology.
00:30:37.080 I have almost no interest
00:30:38.080 in learning any.
00:30:40.320 So I don't think
00:30:41.020 it's theological.
00:30:41.880 It's just something
00:30:42.240 that you notice
00:30:43.120 and what, you know.
00:30:45.820 That's really interesting,
00:30:46.700 by the way.
00:30:47.860 Yeah, well,
00:30:48.280 I'm just describing my own.
00:30:49.820 I mean, I think a lot of people
00:30:51.620 listening probably grew up
00:30:52.700 in a different tradition
00:30:54.180 and like have a grounding
00:30:55.320 to explain this.
00:30:56.320 I don't.
00:30:57.180 I'm just noticing it
00:30:58.460 and trying to make sense of it
00:31:00.120 and this is the conclusion
00:31:01.500 that I have come to
00:31:02.440 and I think that
00:31:04.140 we know it's evil
00:31:05.160 because it destroys
00:31:06.240 the people
00:31:07.000 through whom it flows
00:31:08.120 and it actually has made me
00:31:09.960 a lot less judgmental
00:31:11.480 of people who do evil things
00:31:13.320 because I notice
00:31:13.940 that they are destroyed by them
00:31:15.080 and I'm not saying that
00:31:16.260 from like a judgy,
00:31:17.280 like do a bad thing,
00:31:18.000 get punished point of view
00:31:18.940 at all.
00:31:19.340 I'm just noticing it
00:31:20.240 and the explanations,
00:31:22.380 the secular explanations
00:31:23.300 don't make any sense.
00:31:24.140 It's like, oh,
00:31:24.620 they're in this for the money.
00:31:26.580 You know,
00:31:26.680 they're doing it
00:31:27.040 to get rich or powerful.
00:31:28.500 Well, maybe that's
00:31:29.220 what they think
00:31:29.780 but I've noticed
00:31:30.300 in every single case
00:31:31.640 people through whom
00:31:33.140 this power flows
00:31:34.020 are themselves destroyed.
00:31:36.800 You know,
00:31:37.000 the trainees are not winning.
00:31:39.320 They're losing.
00:31:40.260 The people who are trying
00:31:40.800 to convince you
00:31:41.480 to castrate your children
00:31:42.420 are seeing their own
00:31:43.980 children castrated
00:31:44.920 and they themselves
00:31:45.740 are being denied grandchildren
00:31:46.940 which is like
00:31:47.600 the most basic
00:31:48.740 of all human desires
00:31:50.060 is to see your genes
00:31:51.460 pass on through your line
00:31:52.940 to have grandchildren
00:31:53.700 and they're being denied that.
00:31:55.220 So they're actually
00:31:55.560 not winning at all.
00:31:56.740 They're being destroyed
00:31:57.860 and that's the nature of evil.
00:32:00.720 It destroys the person
00:32:02.120 through whom it flows
00:32:03.060 and I'm not getting this
00:32:04.900 from a theology textbook.
00:32:06.080 It used to be a classical,
00:32:07.060 you know,
00:32:08.260 conception.
00:32:08.880 It was even in like movies,
00:32:10.600 like Hollywood movies.
00:32:11.440 Well,
00:32:11.520 I didn't even know that.
00:32:12.700 Yeah.
00:32:12.820 Okay.
00:32:13.160 So I'm not,
00:32:14.000 again,
00:32:14.580 I'm an Episcopalian.
00:32:15.680 We didn't learn this.
00:32:16.980 All we learned was
00:32:18.360 wear a tie to church
00:32:20.020 and don't applaud.
00:32:21.480 Okay.
00:32:21.760 That was our theology.
00:32:23.060 Oh, yeah.
00:32:23.600 And I,
00:32:24.400 maybe I went to a
00:32:25.060 particularly shallow church
00:32:26.100 probably,
00:32:26.680 but whatever.
00:32:27.500 I just have noticed it.
00:32:28.800 The one with the cross
00:32:29.420 is ours.
00:32:29.980 Yeah.
00:32:31.100 They're not getting away with it.
00:32:33.580 I mean,
00:32:33.760 I look at Albert Bourla,
00:32:36.200 you know,
00:32:36.420 someone I consider evil
00:32:37.600 or Tony Fauci evil
00:32:39.180 and I see Kamala Harris,
00:32:42.460 clearly evil.
00:32:43.720 All these people are miserable.
00:32:45.440 So they're not winning.
00:32:46.980 And that makes me feel
00:32:48.500 compassion for them.
00:32:50.000 I'm not going to vote
00:32:50.920 for Kamala Harris.
00:32:52.200 Of course,
00:32:53.000 I pray that she doesn't win.
00:32:54.740 Albert Bourla,
00:32:55.520 I think did something
00:32:56.220 really evil to the world
00:32:57.460 with the vaccine.
00:32:58.980 However,
00:33:00.080 I just have to be honest
00:33:01.080 and say,
00:33:01.680 I don't think they're like
00:33:02.780 living in peace
00:33:04.580 and joy
00:33:05.060 and splendor
00:33:05.700 on some Caribbean island,
00:33:07.500 like cackling to themselves.
00:33:09.000 I won.
00:33:09.640 They didn't win.
00:33:10.400 They lost
00:33:11.040 in a really profound way.
00:33:12.060 It's on his face.
00:33:13.180 Look at Albert Bourla.
00:33:14.080 Yeah.
00:33:14.520 This is not a man
00:33:15.660 who is like sleeping
00:33:17.380 a sound eight hours.
00:33:19.140 Right.
00:33:19.660 And that does make you
00:33:20.840 feel compassion for them.
00:33:21.860 And I'm being dead serious.
00:33:22.760 And that's a very
00:33:23.240 Christian response,
00:33:23.920 though.
00:33:24.940 I don't know if it,
00:33:25.840 I mean,
00:33:25.960 it's a natural,
00:33:26.720 once you understand
00:33:27.620 that they're not
00:33:29.640 riding off into the sunset
00:33:31.040 with their ill-gotten loot
00:33:32.280 to enjoy it,
00:33:33.420 they're living in torment.
00:33:34.900 And it's very obvious.
00:33:36.680 Joe Biden,
00:33:37.600 one of the reasons
00:33:38.040 I could never hate Joe Biden,
00:33:39.160 though he definitely
00:33:39.920 deserves to be hated,
00:33:40.940 I would say,
00:33:42.060 but I could never really hate him
00:33:42.980 because I always felt bad for him.
00:33:44.100 It's clearly like
00:33:44.880 his whole life is a mess.
00:33:46.160 How are your children doing?
00:33:47.380 Yeah.
00:33:47.520 Which is the key question
00:33:48.500 that any normal person
00:33:49.680 asks himself,
00:33:50.280 how are my kids?
00:33:51.880 And I know one of his kids
00:33:53.880 and I knew two of his kids,
00:33:55.300 actually.
00:33:55.640 So the whole thing,
00:33:56.360 it's like it's the saddest thing ever.
00:33:58.240 And that's what evil looks like.
00:33:59.940 It destroys everything it touches,
00:34:01.800 including all of us.
00:34:02.680 Like all of us have had
00:34:03.480 evil flow through us.
00:34:04.740 We've done,
00:34:05.020 I'll speak for myself,
00:34:05.540 I've done evil things
00:34:06.620 and it's hurt me.
00:34:08.800 So the more you allow that,
00:34:10.400 the more hurt you become,
00:34:12.240 the more damaged you are.
00:34:13.260 It's like very sad.
00:34:15.120 And then so this
00:34:16.180 can kind of increase at scale.
00:34:18.600 So when you apply it
00:34:19.460 to a country,
00:34:20.780 or not even that,
00:34:21.660 you apply it to a town,
00:34:23.000 the town gets ruined,
00:34:24.040 a state,
00:34:24.580 the state gets ruined,
00:34:25.360 a country,
00:34:25.840 the country gets ruined.
00:34:26.780 Exactly.
00:34:27.040 A country between country.
00:34:28.160 Exactly.
00:34:29.360 That's war.
00:34:30.540 Well,
00:34:30.740 that's exactly right.
00:34:31.600 That's its sort of natural end point
00:34:34.900 is just people destroying each other.
00:34:37.560 But you see it when you visit countries.
00:34:39.240 I've visited a lot of country,
00:34:40.720 a lot of country,
00:34:41.480 many dozens of countries.
00:34:42.980 And countries that are hurting other people
00:34:47.300 as a matter of policy
00:34:48.540 tend to be a mess.
00:34:50.640 And countries that,
00:34:52.000 and now I sound like a dickhead liberal,
00:34:53.600 which I'm certainly not,
00:34:55.480 but you know,
00:34:56.120 countries that seek peace
00:34:57.060 or try to facilitate
00:34:57.880 some sort of nonviolent answer
00:34:59.640 are thriving.
00:35:02.080 I've seen it in the last year.
00:35:03.960 I've seen it.
00:35:04.860 And so yes,
00:35:07.620 I think we can judge the tree
00:35:09.300 by its fruits.
00:35:10.460 Is something good or bad?
00:35:11.860 I don't know.
00:35:13.020 Take a look at it.
00:35:13.900 What do you see?
00:35:14.600 Do you see chaos or order?
00:35:17.240 Right.
00:35:17.340 Do you see filth or cleanliness?
00:35:19.620 Do you see love or hate?
00:35:21.040 Do you see violence or reconciliation?
00:35:22.600 Like it's kind of that simple.
00:35:24.040 Do you see sobriety or drug addiction?
00:35:26.860 And if you see a lot of bad things,
00:35:30.040 well,
00:35:30.360 they're there for a reason.
00:35:32.400 I mean,
00:35:32.820 this is like the first grade theology
00:35:34.980 that I have.
00:35:35.680 To the extent I have theology,
00:35:36.620 it's that.
00:35:37.620 Right.
00:35:39.060 Because the essential extra step
00:35:41.600 that a lot of people don't make is,
00:35:44.180 okay,
00:35:44.340 like we have the misery index now,
00:35:45.820 for example,
00:35:46.320 is kind of what we're talking around.
00:35:47.380 And so the question is,
00:35:49.000 what does the misery index serve?
00:35:51.340 Right.
00:35:51.480 People,
00:35:51.820 when the GDP goes up,
00:35:53.040 you could say,
00:35:53.480 all right,
00:35:53.700 well,
00:35:53.820 this kind of helps the stock market
00:35:55.080 and the bond traders are doing well.
00:35:56.560 They like when the GDP goes up,
00:35:57.740 but it kind of hurts these people over here.
00:35:59.140 So,
00:35:59.640 you know,
00:35:59.800 we can focus on that.
00:36:00.740 But then when the misery index goes up,
00:36:02.980 it's like,
00:36:03.780 well,
00:36:04.820 it doesn't seem to be going down.
00:36:06.080 And so is someone benefiting from the misery index?
00:36:08.420 Well,
00:36:08.460 I don't even know if someone's benefiting.
00:36:09.920 Someone's doing wrong.
00:36:11.020 Or something.
00:36:11.640 Yeah.
00:36:11.920 I mean,
00:36:12.120 look,
00:36:12.340 when a father gets caught cheating on his wife,
00:36:14.620 his daughter suffered,
00:36:15.640 screws them up.
00:36:16.500 It screws up their relationships with men.
00:36:17.980 Not always,
00:36:18.380 but often,
00:36:19.240 very often,
00:36:20.440 often enough that it's a cliche,
00:36:21.760 but it's,
00:36:22.060 it's real.
00:36:22.780 A good father has happier kids.
00:36:25.300 Okay.
00:36:25.860 Right.
00:36:26.180 That's why I feel sorry for Joe Biden.
00:36:27.340 Look at your kids.
00:36:28.280 They're a disaster.
00:36:29.880 Um,
00:36:30.760 so that is a direct reflection of your leadership as their father.
00:36:34.220 And I think it's also true for countries.
00:36:36.280 And,
00:36:36.800 you know,
00:36:36.980 I like,
00:36:37.700 I'm,
00:36:38.020 I really care about aesthetics because I care about beauty.
00:36:39.720 Cause I think it's a reflection of God.
00:36:41.160 That's why I love nature.
00:36:42.380 Correct.
00:36:42.920 And healthy countries make beautiful things,
00:36:45.640 beautiful,
00:36:46.180 useful things.
00:36:47.520 And unhealthy countries just make bombs or lend money in interest,
00:36:51.620 you know,
00:36:52.100 or sell the same piece of ground over and over and call it the real estate
00:36:54.860 sector.
00:36:55.620 Like those are not signs.
00:36:58.940 Those are,
00:36:59.540 those are tangible signs of your economy,
00:37:02.220 but they're also tangible signs of your moral status.
00:37:05.240 If you're not creating beautiful things,
00:37:07.180 there's something rotten at the core.
00:37:09.220 I really believe that.
00:37:11.120 And obviously you mentioned order as well.
00:37:13.460 And you require it,
00:37:15.180 you know,
00:37:15.320 a society to achieve that kind of output requires that order at the
00:37:20.500 lower levels as well to,
00:37:22.320 in order to build up to that.
00:37:24.220 Yeah.
00:37:24.320 But it flows down from the top.
00:37:25.840 I mean,
00:37:26.080 I,
00:37:26.440 my views on this have completely changed mostly through
00:37:28.620 parenthood,
00:37:29.180 but I think leadership of fact.
00:37:32.060 Yeah.
00:37:32.420 Well,
00:37:32.700 you're in the military,
00:37:33.240 you know,
00:37:33.820 this,
00:37:34.120 I was never in the military.
00:37:35.000 I was never in the boy scouts.
00:37:36.020 Like,
00:37:36.040 you know,
00:37:36.200 you're in the military.
00:37:36.800 It's like,
00:37:37.780 you know,
00:37:38.220 you,
00:37:38.520 when you've got a bad CEO,
00:37:39.960 you know,
00:37:40.800 and just everything sucks and nothing works together.
00:37:43.040 And nobody,
00:37:44.260 there's just nothing worked.
00:37:45.180 And nobody cares.
00:37:46.100 That's that's a big part of it.
00:37:47.220 Nobody cares that it's you're there,
00:37:49.700 you know,
00:37:50.140 Hey,
00:37:50.320 I checked in at this time.
00:37:51.540 Hey,
00:37:51.620 I'm checking out this time,
00:37:52.400 but you don't care.
00:37:53.060 Cause you're not focused on the mission.
00:37:53.840 You don't care about the mission.
00:37:54.480 You don't know what the mission is.
00:37:55.260 Maybe see,
00:37:55.920 I never understood that,
00:37:57.020 but then we have changed the command and just finished thought once we have changed
00:38:00.460 the command.
00:38:00.920 And when someone comes in who inspires,
00:38:03.160 yes,
00:38:03.480 someone who gives you a clear sense of purpose,
00:38:07.700 someone who explains the mission to you,
00:38:10.080 suddenly you feel like you have a part of it and suddenly you feel like you want
00:38:13.060 to do something.
00:38:13.700 Exactly.
00:38:13.880 So leadership really matters.
00:38:15.200 In fact,
00:38:15.500 it makes all the difference.
00:38:17.300 And,
00:38:17.740 um,
00:38:18.180 I never understood that.
00:38:19.920 I don't know why,
00:38:20.580 cause I'm non-hierarchical.
00:38:22.260 I'm anti-authoritary,
00:38:24.060 authoritarian.
00:38:24.560 I'm anti-authority actually instinctively.
00:38:26.980 I always thought of myself as a libertarian.
00:38:29.360 Okay.
00:38:30.360 Um,
00:38:30.720 I mean,
00:38:30.880 I was an idiot basically,
00:38:32.200 but I,
00:38:32.940 I missed all of that.
00:38:34.220 And I didn't understand that the health of any organization depends upon its
00:38:38.180 leadership.
00:38:38.520 And I was won over to that by watching my own family and having a lot of
00:38:41.860 children and realizing,
00:38:42.980 wow,
00:38:43.380 it's really up to me to be a good leader because that really matters.
00:38:47.160 It's getting the game for real.
00:38:49.340 Oh yeah.
00:38:49.740 And what applies to the family in broad terms applies to every human organization
00:38:53.680 because the family is the most basic human organization and every other
00:38:57.220 organization mimics its basic dynamics.
00:39:00.080 And,
00:39:00.600 um,
00:39:01.400 again,
00:39:01.660 these are lessons that I was not taught,
00:39:03.620 but just sort of learned over decades of watching sort of.
00:39:07.240 And,
00:39:08.180 um,
00:39:08.400 anyway,
00:39:08.820 so yes,
00:39:09.560 if you have an evil leadership,
00:39:11.080 you have a dying country.
00:39:13.640 And if you have a decent leadership with all the hallmarks of decency,
00:39:18.960 the first one is humility.
00:39:20.300 Always.
00:39:21.900 Um,
00:39:22.660 you know,
00:39:23.000 you're not God.
00:39:23.660 That's like the first requirement of leadership.
00:39:25.320 There are limits to your foresight and to your power.
00:39:28.260 Um,
00:39:29.060 leaders who recognize that tend to have thriving countries.
00:39:33.020 Uh,
00:39:33.420 and you really see it,
00:39:34.400 but the making things like,
00:39:35.780 what do you make?
00:39:36.680 Are you making something beautiful?
00:39:38.240 Do you have like,
00:39:39.980 we just,
00:39:40.500 by the way,
00:39:41.000 archeologists understand this.
00:39:42.800 We not only judge,
00:39:44.120 but we classify entire civilizations based on the objects that they made.
00:39:48.080 The object.
00:39:48.820 I mean,
00:39:48.940 we,
00:39:49.380 you know,
00:39:49.540 we don't know the names of,
00:39:50.640 of the,
00:39:51.220 you know,
00:39:51.600 the indigenous communities that lived in this country.
00:39:55.280 10,000 years ago,
00:39:56.440 we judged them by the kinds of arrowheads and spear points.
00:39:59.080 Have you,
00:39:59.520 have you been to Mount Rushmore?
00:40:01.020 No,
00:40:01.580 never.
00:40:02.060 So I went out there when Trump did the 4th of July deal there.
00:40:05.520 Yes.
00:40:05.800 A couple of years ago.
00:40:06.440 And I can't remember that they had a little plaque talking about the guy who designed the mountain.
00:40:13.100 And I can't remember the name of the top.
00:40:14.320 I think it was Italian immigrant.
00:40:15.940 Um,
00:40:16.360 probably totally wrong.
00:40:17.500 I will fix this in post.
00:40:18.420 If I am most of the great stone masons were Italian immigrants.
00:40:21.300 Of course,
00:40:22.020 all of our cathedrals are built by Italian immigrants.
00:40:23.860 Yeah.
00:40:24.520 But I remember this quote and they asked him,
00:40:26.180 why did you want to do this?
00:40:28.560 Right?
00:40:28.680 Why did you want to do this?
00:40:29.440 And he said,
00:40:30.080 because it is what great societies do.
00:40:32.240 Of course.
00:40:33.080 And they create things of beauty.
00:40:34.520 And he said,
00:40:35.340 and not dollar stores.
00:40:36.100 And 5,000 years from now,
00:40:37.700 when whatever thing is here in this place,
00:40:41.480 they will look at this mountain.
00:40:42.920 That's right.
00:40:43.180 And know that these were our greatest leaders.
00:40:44.740 That's right.
00:40:45.420 And I said,
00:40:45.920 that's perfect.
00:40:46.640 That's the perfect answer.
00:40:47.640 Yeah.
00:40:48.260 Like,
00:40:48.460 why don't we know that?
00:40:49.200 Dying societies destroy things.
00:40:51.880 That's what they do.
00:40:52.660 Right.
00:40:53.040 Um,
00:40:53.680 destroy physical things.
00:40:55.000 They destroy cultures.
00:40:56.220 They destroy other countries.
00:40:57.840 They become obsessed with war.
00:41:00.180 They make a lot of bombs and nothing else.
00:41:03.000 And their leaders celebrate that.
00:41:04.660 Leaders like Nikki Haley,
00:41:05.980 you know,
00:41:06.140 filthy people like Nikki Haley,
00:41:08.120 truly filthy people like Nikki Haley,
00:41:09.640 or the governor of your state,
00:41:12.700 Pennsylvania.
00:41:13.160 Joshy Shapiro,
00:41:14.620 Josh Shapiro,
00:41:15.380 who was photographed today,
00:41:17.080 signing an artillery shell.
00:41:19.960 I mean,
00:41:20.180 I do think though,
00:41:21.560 can I say one obvious thing that like normal people,
00:41:25.980 if they take away all the law,
00:41:28.880 you know,
00:41:29.040 the propaganda,
00:41:29.740 they try to just clear their vision a little bit and forget what they've
00:41:32.920 been forced to believe.
00:41:34.760 Recognize that as disgusting.
00:41:36.480 Like that's disgusting.
00:41:38.320 Would you,
00:41:39.020 if he was signing,
00:41:40.160 you know,
00:41:41.300 AR 15 bullets and passing them out to the Crips in LA,
00:41:45.580 you'd be like,
00:41:45.920 that's disgusting.
00:41:47.160 Yeah.
00:41:47.360 That's going to kill somebody.
00:41:48.300 And I'm a gun person.
00:41:49.620 I mean,
00:41:49.980 I love,
00:41:50.400 I like guns,
00:41:51.020 but I don't like violence against anybody and particularly not against
00:41:56.100 innocence and artillery shells kill innocence.
00:41:58.620 Josh Shapiro,
00:41:59.360 you freaking monster.
00:42:00.460 You disgusting human being.
00:42:02.020 Like,
00:42:02.320 why isn't he visiting?
00:42:03.480 You know,
00:42:03.720 why,
00:42:03.920 why not?
00:42:04.540 By the way,
00:42:04.960 how could you be the governor of a state with Redding in it?
00:42:08.560 I just drove here infuriated in the car.
00:42:12.640 You're not far from Philadelphia,
00:42:13.440 by the way.
00:42:14.000 Oh,
00:42:14.120 I'm aware,
00:42:14.720 which is so offensive.
00:42:15.840 We had like three shootouts last night,
00:42:17.540 but it's a mess.
00:42:18.960 How could you preside over a mess and turn your attention to some country in Eastern Europe?
00:42:24.080 I don't understand that.
00:42:25.600 You're ignoring your people.
00:42:26.500 I did not bring up Josh Shapiro first.
00:42:28.340 People know that he and I have a little bit of a history.
00:42:30.500 He brought it up first.
00:42:32.220 Signing artillery shells to be used against civilians in a war we're not even technically in.
00:42:38.080 He's always been like this.
00:42:38.980 He's disgusting.
00:42:39.540 He will say or do or cover up anything.
00:42:44.140 He's covered up murders when he was the AG.
00:42:46.420 But they're violence worshipers.
00:42:47.840 That's what we don't say to them.
00:42:48.700 They're violence worshipers.
00:42:50.260 Normal people are.
00:42:51.120 I've seen violence,
00:42:52.040 actually,
00:42:52.560 a lot.
00:42:53.300 And normal people are horrified by it.
00:42:55.180 And we can argue over whether it's justified in some specific case.
00:42:57.840 In my view,
00:42:58.360 it's only justified in self-defense.
00:42:59.840 That's a broad category.
00:43:01.060 We can argue what that means.
00:43:02.040 Self-defense.
00:43:02.720 But no person takes joy in violence.
00:43:05.400 No normal person takes joy in violence.
00:43:07.020 So a couple of years ago,
00:43:07.920 I had the animal.
00:43:09.700 I had the opportunity to visit my family's hometown in Poland for the first time.
00:43:17.440 And it was like right before we got married.
00:43:22.400 And it was just gorgeous.
00:43:24.580 It was this idyllic village farms in southeastern Poland.
00:43:33.340 And I'm like,
00:43:34.040 wow,
00:43:34.240 this place is great.
00:43:35.960 Beautiful cathedral,
00:43:37.120 by the way,
00:43:37.400 in the middle of town.
00:43:38.480 Why would anybody want to leave?
00:43:39.920 Why did my ancestors leave this place?
00:43:42.360 You see some kids going down the dirt road,
00:43:44.060 and you think,
00:43:44.460 oh,
00:43:44.920 could have been me.
00:43:46.760 And why would you ever want to leave?
00:43:49.680 And then 2022 was when Ukraine kicked off,
00:43:52.760 which is like right down the street.
00:43:55.860 And NATO took over Poland.
00:43:57.640 Oh,
00:43:58.080 totally took over.
00:43:58.640 Did they make it better?
00:43:59.760 They threw out.
00:44:00.080 They rigged the election.
00:44:01.500 Completely threw out.
00:44:02.340 Yeah.
00:44:02.620 The conservative party that was there.
00:44:04.760 Oh,
00:44:04.900 of course.
00:44:05.280 Used mail-in voting to do it.
00:44:07.260 Used this weird like half third party thing.
00:44:10.080 And now it's like,
00:44:12.080 okay,
00:44:12.400 now I get it.
00:44:13.080 They wanted to get off the merry-go-round of death.
00:44:15.880 Oh,
00:44:16.120 100%.
00:44:16.840 NATO's taking over Eastern Europe.
00:44:18.500 Romania,
00:44:19.140 same thing.
00:44:20.300 But are they improved?
00:44:21.060 Look,
00:44:21.500 you know,
00:44:21.920 every age has an imperial power that,
00:44:24.940 you know,
00:44:25.140 runs everything.
00:44:25.840 I get it.
00:44:26.920 But are they making it better?
00:44:28.480 So Tucker,
00:44:29.020 to wrap things up,
00:44:30.160 how do we,
00:44:30.800 how do we get off that cycle?
00:44:34.140 I don't know.
00:44:35.000 I mean,
00:44:35.380 tell the truth,
00:44:36.360 no matter what.
00:44:37.840 Like,
00:44:38.160 don't,
00:44:38.600 don't bow to evil under any circumstances,
00:44:41.880 no matter what they do to you,
00:44:43.040 period.
00:44:43.760 Like,
00:44:44.060 be a little braver than we're currently being.
00:44:47.180 I don't think it's that hard.
00:44:48.120 I mean,
00:44:48.280 no single person is going to change the world.
00:44:50.820 But collectively,
00:44:51.500 if people just take minor steps,
00:44:52.880 like just be a little braver.
00:44:55.280 I'm so afraid.
00:44:56.220 Really?
00:44:56.400 What are you afraid of?
00:44:56.980 You're going to die in the end anyway.
00:44:58.520 Yeah.
00:44:59.180 You know what I mean?
00:45:00.020 I know.
00:45:00.500 I know exactly.
00:45:01.160 Yeah.
00:45:01.880 Look,
00:45:02.140 that's why here in Pennsylvania,
00:45:04.780 this is my home.
00:45:06.740 Plain of my feet.
00:45:08.920 100%.
00:45:09.280 And that's it.
00:45:10.700 Hey,
00:45:10.820 you're born here.
00:45:11.320 Don't leave.
00:45:11.980 I fled California.
00:45:12.940 I felt guilty about it ever since.
00:45:15.180 You might have to do it.
00:45:16.280 Tucker Carlson,
00:45:16.840 ladies and gentlemen.
00:45:17.620 Thank you.
00:45:18.040 Thank you.