This is what happens when the 4th Turning meets 5th Generation Warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran, Jack Posobiec, joins host Jack to discuss a variety of topics, including the latest on the Antifa attack on a Christian rally in Seattle and the mayor s response to it.
00:16:00.440And so a number of people who were asking questions and a lot of interesting discussion
00:16:07.100with Prime Minister Orban about various issues that are affecting not only Europe and himself and the rest of the world.
00:16:14.360And I think for a lot of people, his comments on Ukraine-Russia conflict and his role in attempting to try to bring the sides together, to bring some kind of a peace deal together, are quite interesting.
00:16:26.120And so I'll be able to report them to you.
00:16:28.500So this interview, the format of it, it's going to be released later on by the Hungarians.
00:16:36.780And so we, this was an interview I took part in, not for the show proper, but we'll be able to play you clips of it.
00:16:46.120He was very candid about his meetings with the Ukrainians and his meetings with the Russians.
00:16:51.920And what he said about the Ukrainians is that when he went to meet with President Zelensky, he said, I think that you should take a peace deal because I don't believe you have time on your side.
00:17:03.040And whatever deal you take now will be better than something you may get in the future.
00:17:09.240At to which point, Zelensky essentially rejects the deal and rejects any idea and says, we have time on our side and we can defeat Russia militarily.
00:17:18.900Okay. And then he says he went to Russia and basically asked the same questions of the Russians and said, and their response was, we don't want to take the deal because we have our time on our side and we believe that we can militarily defeat the Ukrainians.
00:17:37.420And so you've essentially got a stalemate there in terms of at least the diplomacy, but where you don't have a stalemate is on the front lines of this war, on the lines where the drone strikes keep going back and forth, where the Ukrainians, and we had Jim Ferguson on yesterday talking about this, have attempted to another assassination attempt on Vladimir Putin,
00:18:01.180where they send a drone swarm at his helicopter in Kursk on Russian territory, then you see it respond with these missile volleys as well as another drone volley on Moscow.
00:18:13.280But on the ground in these areas of the Russian speaking provinces and areas in the east, the Russian military continues to gain territory every day.
00:18:22.580What President Trump, of course, has been asking over and over is there's got to be some way to stop this. There's got to be some way to have a peace.
00:18:32.440And instead, that's not what's happening. And for Prime Minister Orban's perspective, he said this is something that he's wanted a lot as well, because the greatest threat of all would be that of nuclear war.
00:18:46.420And also, by the way, earlier today, we will be able to play this for you, had the opportunity to interview the foreign minister of Georgia, who's here visiting today.
00:18:55.280And when I sat down with her, I asked her that question as well. And we certainly agreed on the idea of wanting to prevent nuclear war and this being the highest possible use of diplomacy, whether in Europe or anywhere else, vis-a-vis Iran, vis-a-vis China, etc.
00:19:13.120And so the reasons that we're looking at all of these questions, the reason why it matters to the United States is just that. We don't want nuclear war.
00:19:24.100And Prime Minister Orban said something very directly to us. He said, I believe that the only negotiation can be made between Russia and the United States.
00:19:33.860And Russia and Ukraine only isn't enough to get to the actual answer here.
00:19:39.280Also, kind of interestingly, towards the end of this discussion, I had the opportunity to ask Prime Minister Victor Orban, I said, you know, we've been having an issue with the United States government in the previous administration, because, well, Joe Biden was in the presidency, but we're not actually sure who the president was.
00:19:59.500And I wanted to know if you had any thoughts on the matter, Prime Minister Orban.
00:20:04.100Orban responds, we never thought that he was the president.
00:20:11.940If he wasn't the president, who do you think was the president?
00:20:17.080And to which he responded, now that is the most dangerous question of all.
00:20:22.840Folks, who was running the United States government during the Biden administration?
00:20:29.160Yes, we know in name, people like, as we've said on this program so many times, Dr. Jill Biden, Steve Reschetti, Jeff Zentz, Ron Klain, Tony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, making all these decisions up to themselves.
00:20:45.500The real question was, is really the decision maker there?
00:20:49.620And ultimately, we know it wasn't Biden, which means, by the way, those pardons are null and void.
00:20:58.880Hunter Biden, did you pardon yourself?
00:22:42.740And this really seems to have been the biggest story that I'm putting together.
00:22:48.300The theme is sovereignty versus globalism.
00:22:52.360And because there's a paradox here, an irony where in order to, for those freedom fighters, for those
00:23:01.100sovereignists, people who respect their culture, their heritage, their national identity, we are
00:23:09.380faced constantly under threat from Brussels, from Davos, from the party that supports war, the party that supports all people having open borders and spreading between cultures.
00:23:21.060And so the parity, of course, paradox, of course, is that even though we are not globalists, we can be friends.
00:23:40.540And I think Georgia is the best example of how these fights can be conducted.
00:23:45.540Because defending sovereignty is essential to protect national interests, and national interests can protect peace and security where we live.
00:23:56.540And Georgia is a very good example, especially in today's world, to look at us.
00:24:01.540And it is good to see, and we are happy to see, that we are not allowed alone, and there are people who also share the news that sovereign rights of nations need to be respected, and sovereign rights are not bad, and sovereign rights can also be global, and we can also be friends and share our common interests.
00:24:25.540Well, this originally was the purpose of the United Nations, I thought, was to protect the rights of individual nations.
00:24:34.540And yet we see so many times that these organizations, whether it be the UN, whether it be the EU, whether it be WHO, and so many of these other things, it turns out that they seem to be the ones who are now encroaching on rights.
00:24:49.540And, of course, in Hungary, there was the issue of George Soros NGOs. We have the same issue in the United States. However, President Trump is cleaning that up.
00:24:59.540We have this issue all across Eastern Europe where these non-government organizations will come in and then try to take power away from actually the elected governments.
00:25:12.540And in many cases, they will be supporting governments that have nothing to do with the interests of the people of that area.
00:25:19.540So, again, Georgia is a very good example. We did not like Soviet Union because we did not have sovereign rights under the Soviet Union, right?
00:25:28.540And we liked European Union because our expectation is that this is the union of free nations where sovereign rights are respected, sovereign rights of nations.
00:25:41.540But unfortunately, again, we see instrumentalization of this topic of European integration and using this topic against sovereignty of Georgia, which is a very painful process.
00:25:55.540And, again, that is something very important. When we talk about contemporary Europe, today's European Union, it is important that for the sake of European integration, for the sake of European future, respecting the sovereign rights of nations, that matters a lot.
00:26:16.540That's very important that we respect the sovereignty of the countries, for the sake of security of Europe. That's very important.
00:26:27.540And I'm coming from the United States. We're not a member of the European Union. We are a member of NATO. We are members of the United Nations and a number of these organizations.
00:26:37.540And yet, from President Trump's perspective, and from our new Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, it's been a total shift in the policy of the administration where, rather than forcing other countries to go along with whatever policy we want, all that they've been asking are for the rights of free elections to be upheld, such as Romania, the rights of free speech to be upheld all across the world.
00:27:06.540And, in many cases now, we're hearing a new theme that trade deals and potentially even security compacts will be judged based on the upholding of free speech and free elections in all of the countries where we are doing these kinds of deals.
00:27:23.540What would your message be to the U.S. side from Georgia's perspective?
00:27:28.540Thank you for mentioning that, because what we hear from a new administration in the United States, what we hear from President Trump and State Secretary Rubio, it's very promising, in a sense that that's exactly what we were talking about for many years in Georgia.
00:27:47.540And respecting democracy, first of all, means to respect the choice of people, what people choose for their government.
00:27:56.540And that, again, Georgia is a good example of how we fight to defend the choice of Georgian people, Georgia nation, because government is under attack, because somebody doesn't like what Georgian people decided to have.
00:28:14.540We have faced quite strong pressure in Georgia, and I think that we need to, and especially when it comes to relationships with the United States, we have big hope that this negative era, which was coming from pretty much dictated by deep state, will end.
00:28:36.540We will end, and we will have possibility to renew Georgia-U.S. relationship, and to use this relationship for the benefit of United Nations, United States' interest, and Georgia's interest.
00:28:51.540And I do believe that we do have common interests, and we have to work for that, and for that we do need to cooperate.
00:28:58.540Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, as you mentioned, there's been a question of the relations between the post-Soviet states and the United States.
00:29:09.540And so we saw the emergence of countries like Belarus, like Ukraine, like Georgia, so many other, Kazakhstan, so many others that have come in.
00:29:17.540So these are non-EU member states, and yet are their own states in their own right.
00:29:22.540So the question, obviously, of the normalization of relations between the U.S. and the post-Soviet nations.
00:29:29.540Do you believe that President Trump has the ability to do this?
00:29:32.540Look, Georgia is the country, post-Soviet country state, that has been always the most reliable partner for the United States.
00:29:44.540We have been always there to show that we are reliable partners for the United States.
00:29:50.540Georgia has been the largest non-NATO country contributing to NATO missions when it was in the interests of the United States.
00:30:00.540So that is something very important to take into account when we talk about Georgia-U.S. relationship.
00:30:11.540If we see that this is not in a very good shape today, what are the reasons for that today?
00:30:18.540And that we will definitely go to that so-called deep state and what is run from there
00:30:25.540and why this relationship is maybe not in a best shape today.
00:30:29.540So we have to look at that, find the reasons and work for the best interests of the United States and Georgia.
00:30:38.540President Trump is committed to pushing for peace deals, not only between Ukraine-Russia confrontation,
00:30:46.540but also Israel-Gaza, a peace deal potentially or a nuclear deal with Iran as well as potential peace in Asia, China, Taiwan, all of these various issues.
00:31:00.540Do you believe this is the right approach?
00:31:03.540How does Georgia do these discussions?
00:31:06.540Again, we know very well what peace means and what is the price for peace and how important it is for future development and for everything.
00:31:17.540That's why Georgia was the country that supported U.S. position in United Nations when it was introduced about peace in Ukraine.
00:31:28.540And we are very much supporting to find peaceful solution of conflict. That's very important.
00:31:35.540Georgia itself has 20% of its territories occupied by Russia and we are still looking for peaceful means to find peaceful solution of this conflict.
00:31:48.540And we know very well how much important it is to secure stability in the country for economic development and for the future of any Georgian citizen.
00:32:01.540So that's why we think that the initiative of President Trump that is related to peaceful solution to achieve peace in Ukraine is very important.
00:32:14.540And I hope that they will succeed in this process.
00:32:17.540We've taken the position and many of us who have been associated with the Trump movement, MAGA, CPAC, they say, are you pro-war? Are you pro-Russia? Are you pro-this?
00:32:32.540I'm anti-war. We've seen, and my family is coming from a Polish background and they saw World War I, they saw World War II. We don't want to see World War III.
00:32:46.540That nuclear-armed countries would be the greatest potential threat to sovereignty, to life, to humanity on our planet.
00:32:55.540And so for those of us who have, maybe we have disagreements over particular issues, all sorts of issues, there's always healthy forums for debate on that.
00:33:04.540But I certainly hope that standing up against the threat of nuclear war is something all nations can agree on.
00:33:12.540I mean, again, that's exactly what we are fighting for. This is peace and we are against war. That's absolutely the position of the Georgian government. And we are defending this position.
00:33:30.540The only thing that we don't want is confrontation and war. And we see that lots of attempts we experienced to somehow destabilize Georgia and to have another hotspot in this area. So that's very dangerous.
00:33:49.540And we are standing for peace and we are very proud to defend that peace in our country and not only in our country that is related to region.
00:33:59.540I don't want to take up too much more of your time. It's a busy event. I understand you have a busy schedule. Do you plan to come to the U.S. anytime soon?
00:34:05.540I would love to and I hope that it will happen sometime soon.
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00:35:43.540We're going to be doing a live interview on stage tomorrow at CPAC Hungary.
00:35:49.540But this question that I had the opportunity to ask Prime Minister Victor Orban, I think it's something that's very salient for a lot of Americans.
00:35:58.540Was Joe Biden really the President of the United States?
00:36:02.540Was he really the one who is actively making these decisions?
00:36:05.540Was he really the one who is actively deciding who gets pardoned?
00:36:11.540And if Joe Biden wasn't actually signing these pardons, who was it?
00:37:09.540People don't understand the chess moves here.
00:37:11.540If you knock the pardons down, then you have the ability to go after them for those crimes.
00:37:16.540You can't open an investigation into a crime someone's already been charged, or excuse me, pardoned for that you can't charge them for.
00:37:22.540You could open investigations into other things and sort of talk around it.
00:37:26.540There's also an interesting angle on this, is that Hunter Biden, in maintaining this pardon that he got from his father, allegedly, actually loses his Fifth Amendment protection.
00:37:42.540So, in order to have Fifth Amendment protection against testifying, that means you can't testify against yourself, and you can't testify to criminalize yourself.
00:37:54.540So you can't be forced to testify that you committed a crime.
00:37:58.540Now, you can, by the way, go on the stand as, say, like Kyle Rittenhouse did, of course, when he was on trial back in 2021, and you could waive your Fifth Amendment rights and then go and testify if you want to.
00:38:09.540However, however, if you accept a pardon, your Fifth Amendment rights do not apply.
00:38:16.540And your Fifth Amendment rights don't apply because you cannot be incriminated for something or time period or actions wherein you have full pardon, you have immunity over.
00:38:34.540So Hunter Biden right now could be subpoenaed by the House, which, you know, you could figure why he wasn't.
00:38:39.540So you could open an investigation into Burisma. The House could open an investigation into Burisma right now and subpoena Hunter Biden and force him to come and force him to testify.
00:38:48.540And guess what? There isn't a thing he could do about it.
00:38:51.540There isn't a thing he could do about it. Why?
00:39:13.540Well, Human Events Daily for years was telling you that the White House was being run by people who were essentially top levels of the Biden junta.
00:39:26.540And we talked about Team B and Team K.