Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - May 31, 2025


EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW w⧸ Maka Botchorishvili, the Georgia Minister of Foreign Affairs

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sovereignty vs. globalism
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Jack Posobiec
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Maka Borchstili
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In this episode, Maka Borchstili, the Foreign Minister of Georgia, talks about her recent trip to CPAC, her views on sovereignty versus globalism, and the importance of defending the sovereignty of nations.

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00:00:26.680 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
00:00:31.360 We had the opportunity to sit down with the Foreign Minister of Georgia.
00:00:36.780 We're so honored here on Human Events Daily to be sitting down with Maka Borchstili.
00:00:42.380 She is the Foreign Minister of Georgia.
00:00:45.400 Madam Foreign Minister, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:00:47.560 Thank you very much for inviting me.
00:00:49.020 So tell me, what brings you to CPAC?
00:00:51.260 Why come to CPAC now?
00:00:52.460 Well, I think that's the best value to show that we are ready to fight for values that
00:01:01.740 need to be defended because that's very important today.
00:01:07.400 Values that are Christian values, values that are shared widely and that are under attack
00:01:14.700 for under the name of liberals very much in today's Europe and not only in Europe.
00:01:21.220 And we see that it is very much related to security, to stability, and it is very much related
00:01:29.580 to defending democracy as well.
00:01:32.120 So that's very important.
00:01:33.660 And this really seems to have been the biggest story that I'm putting together.
00:01:38.900 The theme is sovereignty versus globalism.
00:01:42.940 And because there's a paradox here, an irony where in order to, for those freedom fighters,
00:01:51.420 for those sovereignists, people who respect their culture, their heritage, their national
00:01:56.340 identity, we are faced constantly under threat from Brussels, from Davos, from the party that
00:02:05.660 supports war, the party that supports all people having open borders and spreading between 0.99
00:02:11.700 cultures.
00:02:12.180 And so the parody, of course, paradox, of course, is that even though we are not globalists,
00:02:19.200 we can be friends because this is real friendship.
00:02:24.360 And you respect the differences, but you understand when you have a common interest.
00:02:29.920 Absolutely.
00:02:30.520 And I think Georgia is the best example of how these fights can be conducted, because defending
00:02:37.400 sovereignty is essential to protect national interests, and national interests can protect
00:02:43.800 peace and security where we live.
00:02:46.020 So that's very important.
00:02:47.420 And Georgia is a very good example, especially today's world, to look at us.
00:02:52.000 And it is good to see, and we are happy to see that we are not alone, and there are people
00:02:59.940 who also share the views that sovereign rights of nations needs to be respected, and sovereign
00:03:07.260 rights are not bad, and sovereign rights can also be global, and we can be also friends
00:03:14.260 and share our common interests.
00:03:16.440 Well, and this originally was the purpose of the United Nations, I thought, was to protect
00:03:23.220 the rights of individual nations.
00:03:26.220 And yet we see so many times that these organizations, whether it be the UN, whether it be the EU, whether
00:03:32.560 it be WHO, and so many of these other things, it turns out that they seem to be the ones who
00:03:38.600 are now encroaching on rights.
00:03:40.600 And of course, in Hungary, there was the issue of George Soros, NGOs, we have the same issue
00:03:46.920 in the United States, however, President Trump is cleaning that up.
00:03:50.780 We have this issue all across Eastern Europe, where these non-government organizations will 0.97
00:03:56.880 come in and then try to take power away from actually the elected government.
00:04:03.460 And in many cases, they will be supporting governments that have nothing to do with the interests
00:04:07.860 of the people of that area.
00:04:09.000 Look, again, Georgia is a very good example.
00:04:13.440 We didn't like Soviet Union because we didn't have sovereign rights under the Soviet Union,
00:04:19.180 right?
00:04:19.840 And we liked European Union because our expectation is that this is the union of free nations where
00:04:27.680 sovereign rights are respected, sovereign rights of nations.
00:04:32.360 But unfortunately, again, vis-à-vis Georgia, we see instrumentalization of this topic of European
00:04:39.280 integration and using this topic against sovereignty of Georgia, which is a very painful process.
00:04:46.760 And again, that is something very important.
00:04:49.880 When we talk about contemporary Europe, today's European Union, it is important that for the sake
00:04:58.880 of European integration, for the sake of European future, respecting the sovereign rights of nations,
00:05:05.980 that matters a lot.
00:05:07.440 That's very important that we respect sovereign rights of nations and we respect sovereignty of
00:05:14.620 the countries for the sake of security of Europe.
00:05:17.520 That's very important.
00:05:18.520 And the issues that you're speaking of, this is why the United Kingdom in 2016 voted to leave
00:05:24.960 the European Union because the British people agreed that although the European Union had that,
00:05:32.500 the idea seemed to be very, very good.
00:05:36.120 But in actuality, the interests were not being expressed.
00:05:39.840 And instead, their sovereignty was diminished by membership in the European Union.
00:05:45.300 And instead, the European Union was then dictating and European permission and then Ursula von der Leyen 1.00
00:05:50.420 and these people who are not elected by anyone are then putting their interests and the interests of their
00:05:57.020 supporters ahead of the actual constituents, the voters and the citizens of these nations.
00:06:02.960 And so that's why in 2016, UK decided to vote.
00:06:06.620 We're done.
00:06:07.340 We're done with this experiment.
00:06:08.860 We are going back to the rights of the nation, the rights of each state. 0.73
00:06:12.840 Now, I'm coming from the United States.
00:06:15.760 We're not a member of the European Union.
00:06:17.920 We are a member of NATO.
00:06:19.700 We are members of the United Nations and a number of these organizations.
00:06:23.600 And yet, from President Trump's perspective and from our new Secretary of State, Marco Rubio,
00:06:29.860 it's been a total shift in the policy of the administration, where rather than forcing other countries to
00:06:38.120 go along with whatever policy we want, all that they've been asking are for the rights of free elections
00:06:45.440 to be upheld, such as Romania, the rights of free speech to be upheld all across the world.
00:06:52.120 And in many cases now, we're hearing a new theme that trade deals and potentially even security compacts
00:07:00.500 will be judged based on the upholding of free speech, free elections in all of the countries
00:07:06.420 where we are doing these kinds of deals.
00:07:09.640 What would your message be to the US side from Georgia's perspective?
00:07:14.160 Thank you for mentioning that, because what we hear from the EU administration in the United States,
00:07:21.500 what we hear from President Trump and State Secretary Rubio, it's very promising,
00:07:27.900 in a sense that that's exactly what we were talking about for many years in Georgia.
00:07:34.080 And respecting democracy, first of all, means to respect the choice of people,
00:07:40.060 what people choose for their government.
00:07:43.120 And that's, again, Georgia is a good example of how we fight to defend the choice of Georgian people,
00:07:50.900 Georgian nation, because government is under attack, because somebody doesn't like what Georgian people decided to have.
00:07:58.880 And that's, again, a good example.
00:08:01.100 We have faced quite strong pressure in Georgia, and I think that we need to,
00:08:08.800 and especially when it comes to relationship with the United States,
00:08:12.620 we have big hope that this negative era, which was coming from pretty much dictated by deep state,
00:08:22.420 will end and we will have possibility to renew Georgia-US relationship
00:08:27.780 and to use this relationship for the benefit of United Nations, United States' interests and Georgia's interests.
00:08:37.660 And I do believe that we do have common interests, and we have to work for that,
00:08:42.660 and for that we do need to cooperate.
00:08:45.460 Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, as you mentioned,
00:08:48.960 there's been a question of the relations between the post-Soviet states and the United States.
00:08:56.180 And so they saw the emergence of countries like Belarus, like Ukraine, like Georgia,
00:09:01.480 so many other, Kazakhstan, so many others that have come in.
00:09:04.280 So these are non-EU member states, and yet are their own states in their own right.
00:09:09.020 So the question, obviously, of the normalization of relations between the U.S. and the post-Soviet nations,
00:09:15.860 do you believe that President Trump has the ability to do this?
00:09:19.080 Look, Georgia is the country, post-Soviet country-state,
00:09:25.160 that has been always the most reliable partner for the United States.
00:09:30.600 We have been always there to show that we are reliable partners for the United States.
00:09:36.040 Georgia has been the largest non-NATO country contributing to NATO missions
00:09:42.620 when it was in the interests of the United States.
00:09:46.460 So that is something very important to take into account when we talk about Georgia-U.S. relationship.
00:09:53.620 And also look at the reasons.
00:09:57.700 If we see that this is not in a very good shape today,
00:10:00.920 what are the reasons for that today?
00:10:04.060 And that we will definitely go to that so-called deep state and what is run from there
00:10:11.160 and why this relationship is maybe not in a best shape today.
00:10:15.860 So we have to look at that, find the reasons,
00:10:18.560 and work for the best interests of the United States and Georgia.
00:10:24.060 And President Trump is committed to pushing for peace deals,
00:10:29.200 not only between Ukraine-Russia confrontation, but also Israel-Gaza peace deal,
00:10:35.920 potentially, or a nuclear deal with Iran,
00:10:40.280 as well as putting some peace in Asia, China, Taiwan, all of these various issues.
00:10:47.160 Do you believe this is the right approach?
00:10:49.760 How does Georgia view these discussions?
00:10:51.300 Absolutely, absolutely.
00:10:51.740 Again, we know very well what peace means and what is the price for peace
00:10:58.460 and how important it is for future development and for everything.
00:11:03.500 That's why Georgia was the country that supported its U.S. position in United Nations
00:11:09.400 when it was introduced about peace in Ukraine.
00:11:14.540 And we are very much supporting to find peaceful solution of conflict.
00:11:19.980 That's very important.
00:11:21.080 Georgia itself has 20% of its territories occupied by Russia,
00:11:26.420 and we are still looking for peaceful means to find peaceful solution of this conflict.
00:11:34.040 And we know very well how much important it is to secure stability in the country
00:11:41.520 for economic development and for the future of any Georgian citizen.
00:11:47.200 So that's why we think that the initiative of President Trump
00:11:52.540 that is related to peaceful solution to achieve peace in Ukraine is very important.
00:12:00.160 And I hope that they really succeed in this process.
00:12:04.060 We've taken the position, and many of us who have been associated with Trump movement, MAGA, CPAC,
00:12:11.620 they say, are you pro-war? Are you pro-Russia? Are you pro-this?
00:12:18.660 But I said, I'm anti-war.
00:12:21.540 We've seen, and my family is coming from a Polish background, and they saw World War I.
00:12:27.440 They saw World War II. We don't want to see World War III.
00:12:31.000 I think World War III, nuclear-armed countries, would be the greatest potential threat to sovereignty,
00:12:38.000 to life, to humanity on our planet.
00:12:41.460 And so, with those of us who have, maybe we have disagreements over particular issues, all sorts of issues.
00:12:48.060 There's always healthy forums for debate on that.
00:12:50.160 But I certainly hope that standing up against the threat of nuclear war is something all nations can agree in.
00:12:57.360 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, again, that's exactly what we are fighting for.
00:13:02.720 This is peace, and we are against war. That's absolutely the position of the Georgian government.
00:13:13.320 And we are defending this position.
00:13:16.580 Only thing that we don't want is confrontation and war.
00:13:20.460 And we see that lots of attempts that we experienced to somehow destabilize Georgia and to have another hotspot in this area.
00:13:34.080 So, that's very dangerous.
00:13:35.940 And we are standing for peace, and we are very proudly defending that peace in our country, and not only in our country.
00:13:44.880 I don't want to take up too much work of time. It's a busy event.
00:13:47.660 I understand you have a busy schedule.
00:13:49.140 Do you plan to come to the U.S. anytime soon?
00:13:52.080 I would love to, and I hope that it will happen sometime soon.
00:13:55.240 Well, when you come, please come visit us in Washington, D.C.
00:13:57.940 Thank you very much.
00:13:58.620 Thank you very much, Madam.
00:13:59.440 Thank you.
00:13:59.660 Thank you.