Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 29, 2021


EXCLUSIVE： JAMES O'KEEFE ON FBI, NYT, AND JAKE TAPPER


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On this episode of Human Events Daily, Jack sits down with James O'Keefe on the sidelines of AmericaFest in Los Angeles to discuss his recent appearance on the lawn of Los Angeles' Metrorail Center for American History.

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00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to a very special episode, very special edition of Human Events Daily.
00:00:08.960 I'm here on the sidelines on Meteor Row of AmericaFest with the one, the only, the man who needs really no introduction, ladies and gentlemen, James O'Keefe.
00:00:19.300 Jack, great to be with you.
00:00:20.380 Now, James, before I get into the actual interview, that appearance, right, that you conducted at AmericaFest, and for those that are just listening, do yourself a favor, pause this if you haven't seen it yet, just hit pause on the podcast.
00:00:40.400 Go and watch James's appearance, right, at AmericaFest, and then come back.
00:00:46.300 James, how would you describe, I don't even know how to put into words what you did up there.
00:00:51.020 Well, it's like Cats meets Hamilton meets Andrew Breitbart meets Charlie Kirk meets Project Veritas meets Cinema Verite meets nonfiction.
00:01:00.760 I would throw a little Upton Sinclair, maybe.
00:01:03.300 Upton Sinclair, yeah.
00:01:03.960 It was, for those of you who have not seen the, I guess you could call it a performance this morning, it was narrated portions of my forthcoming book, American Muckraker, which is all true story, like, that you can't even make this stuff up.
00:01:19.260 Which, and that's how I've always, because even after we've got to know each other, even prior to that, I always viewed you as just a traditional muckraker.
00:01:27.620 But the thing about traditional muckrakers is they used pencil and paper.
00:01:30.780 Well, so the whole, the whole thing is, well, in the vein, I should say, in the vein, yes.
00:01:35.420 I mean, Upton Sinclair used the pencil and paper, but he, he, when you use, when you write something down, you're, you're not going to capture it as accurately as you would if you were to film, videotape it.
00:01:46.940 Correct.
00:01:47.340 So the, the video and the advent of hidden video has changed the world, and it's, and it's because it's so true, it's caused a lot of people to react to it in a different way.
00:01:57.980 So this thing we did today, it was, you know, it was, it was us dancing in prison jumpsuits to Naughty by Nature.
00:02:04.680 It was an EDM concert with FBI agents arresting me.
00:02:08.540 It was taking you through these scenes in my life and our lives in a way that was very illuminating.
00:02:14.460 But, and, and, and that's what I do want to get into as well, because even though, and I, I would, I would call it the, the only thing that comes to mind, it was, it was art journalism.
00:02:23.480 Yeah.
00:02:24.120 It was art journalism combined in a way that I've never seen anyone else conduct, but it was also a step beyond that, because this wasn't a story that you were going out into the world and finding and grinding and, you know, going out into the forest and hunting down and pulling up.
00:02:40.560 So this was something that quite literally came to you and came to your doorstep.
00:02:45.260 This particular fight, this past two months.
00:02:47.680 I mean, the FBI showed up to my apartment with a battering ram and put me in handcuffs and threw me against the hallway.
00:02:56.060 And they've sort of crossed a Rubicon that they've never yet crossed before.
00:03:00.100 And they, and they were doing it sort of because I am a journalist.
00:03:03.440 The first amendment makes it clear.
00:03:05.800 The Supreme court has established that if a person sends Jack, you a document and that person obtained that document unlawfully, but transmitted it to you.
00:03:15.400 Right.
00:03:15.800 You would have a right to publish it or not.
00:03:17.720 Absolutely.
00:03:18.280 That's established.
00:03:18.660 Which by the way happens on a weekly basis.
00:03:21.640 That's called Tuesday at the New York times.
00:03:23.800 Yeah, that's right.
00:03:24.520 And, but, but they don't believe in, in equal justice under the law.
00:03:28.860 And the only, only thing that they can say, which they have said, these prosecutors wrote in motions to the judges, your honor, James O'Keefe is not a journalist.
00:03:37.400 Asked why, they said, because I don't get permission from the people I report on, which is an argument so absurd.
00:03:44.920 It's almost like, it's just, it's the law of non-contradiction.
00:03:48.200 The whole point of journalism is to report on things that they don't want reported on.
00:03:53.480 Otherwise you're just an ombudsman for the fraudsters.
00:03:56.820 So, and I think going back to this sort of cinema verite art, journalism nowadays, New York times, and you're, you're a student of this.
00:04:04.580 Washington Post and the New York times, they're so good with sophistry.
00:04:07.840 Oh yes.
00:04:08.120 They word things that they, you have to be really manipulative to take something good and decent and turn it into something venial.
00:04:17.840 Well, it's like, let me just give you one example.
00:04:19.480 The New York times did an article document.
00:04:23.320 They got our lawyer documents, how they got them.
00:04:25.380 I don't know.
00:04:25.920 New York times got our attorney client.
00:04:27.580 They said, documents show how far deceptive reporting Veritas practices could go before running afoul of the law.
00:04:36.900 You know, another way to say that we check with lawyers to make sure we didn't break the law, but why didn't they say that?
00:04:42.200 Exactly, which is something I have to do every day, especially with the way Turning Point operates as a C3. 0.99
00:04:49.360 You know, we, we go to compliance.
00:04:50.700 We say, hey, send this to compliance, double check.
00:04:54.360 I, you know, I'm following, I've been through the training.
00:04:56.860 I've been through, you know, all the different briefings and legal reviews that I have to do.
00:05:02.480 But at the same time, if I've got something that I believe is, you know, in that, in that zone where I want to get a lawyer to take their eyes on it, of course, I go to compliance.
00:05:12.100 I say, take a look at this.
00:05:13.420 And I say, are we good?
00:05:14.860 I say, are we good?
00:05:16.200 Yeah.
00:05:16.440 And that's what any patriotic American law abiding citizen should do.
00:05:21.780 But what I've learned, and I would say, Jack, it really hit me, I don't know if I want to use the word woke, but whatever the morally good version of being woke is.
00:05:32.800 In other words, every pill, everyone's got white pills, red, I can't even track.
00:05:36.400 Of all the different colored pills these days, I don't even know what they mean, but I really woke up to what, when I was banned on Twitter, I was like, okay.
00:05:45.120 Yeah.
00:05:45.560 That was April of this year.
00:05:47.000 Before that, I was this naive, I guess you could say I was slightly naive, and I still am.
00:05:52.920 I think you have to be idealistic and maybe slightly naive, otherwise you'll go crazy.
00:05:59.000 But when they banned me from Twitter for quoting CNN, I was quoting Charlie Chester saying, we're propaganda, we use fear, and they banned me for it.
00:06:10.860 And I thought, okay, now this is getting real.
00:06:12.420 Look, we're dealing with a situation where I think with a lot of these institutions that we think of as, you know, Twitter used to call themselves the free speech platform of the free speech party.
00:06:24.740 These other institutions, the Wall Street Times, not so much the Wall Street Times, but a little bit, really, but the Washington Post, CNN, New York Times, they have dropped the mask, quite frankly.
00:06:36.940 And they have decided to become the most deceptive, the most propagandistic terms.
00:06:42.220 And by the way, having served in the intel community, you know, when you're dealing with a foreign country, like say a country in the Middle East, right, and you're dealing with like Qatar or something.
00:06:52.460 Well, this is exactly how the media is over there, because, you know, this outlet is tied to this oligarch, this outlet is tied to some intel agency, this outlet is tied to some, you know, Wahhabist sect or something.
00:07:04.400 And so we just kind of take that as par for the course.
00:07:07.060 But we never thought that that would happen to American media.
00:07:10.740 We always thought that we were holding ourselves to a higher standard.
00:07:13.480 Our media was held to a higher standard.
00:07:14.680 But I do think that with the relaxing a lot of these standards, it's not so much that we've become something new, it's that we've become like everywhere else.
00:07:21.680 Yes, the lack of nationalist borders on the internet, right?
00:07:27.600 Is that what you're saying?
00:07:28.120 Twitter and Google and Facebook, there's no border.
00:07:31.740 No, of course.
00:07:32.140 The country, and that's the thing about, I've been sued a lot, as you know, and I've won every lawsuit, because that's under the American system of jurisprudence.
00:07:39.280 Yes.
00:07:39.480 They take these irrational, incoherent, perhaps European arguments or South African arguments and bring them into an American courtroom.
00:07:47.980 You'll get laughed out of court.
00:07:49.160 Right.
00:07:49.440 I was sued by a guy named Bob Kramer and went to a jury verdict.
00:07:52.500 I remember this, yes.
00:07:53.120 And this federal judge was like, this is absurd.
00:07:55.920 The judge was like, you're suing him because James O'Keefe didn't ask enough questions?
00:08:02.060 Imagine if you sued CBS for that.
00:08:04.280 You'd be laughed out of court.
00:08:06.060 So, I guess your point is well taken because you're taking these irrational, unconstitutional arguments, but when you actually put them under scrutiny, and that's what happened in my case with the FBI recently, where they went to court, the Reporters Committee, Jack, the ACLU was defending me.
00:08:23.760 The ACLU, have you ever seen that before?
00:08:26.140 The answer is no.
00:08:26.800 Have you ever been on the same side as ACLU before?
00:08:28.780 I would say you'd have to go back to 2009, the Acorn story, when Jon Stewart and The Daily Show were defending me.
00:08:35.820 Wow.
00:08:36.120 It's been a good 11, 12 years.
00:08:38.000 No, the Jeff Epstein story on Amy Robach, we saw a lot of people on the left defend what we were doing and some of the teachers that we've exposed.
00:08:45.880 But to see the ACLU and the Reporters Committee, Wolf Blitzer's on the board, all these guys that hate me are on the board, they went into a New York City federal courtroom and defended me.
00:08:58.800 And the judge and the prosecutors were arguing in these documents that I'm not a journalist because I don't get permission.
00:09:06.700 It just doesn't work.
00:09:08.520 It's an argument that's illogical.
00:09:10.040 And if I do lose that battle, then it's game over for all of us.
00:09:15.480 That's something so fundamental.
00:09:17.540 They want you to be the canary in the coal mine.
00:09:21.440 They want you to be, they're trying to make an example of you.
00:09:24.140 That's what they're doing.
00:09:24.920 I mean, all the people on the left were like on Twitter, like there was that one sentence, it was like James O'Keefe was in his underwear.
00:09:30.300 They all took a screenshot of that.
00:09:32.760 It's almost like that's what they want.
00:09:34.520 They want humiliation.
00:09:35.760 You know, I wasn't going to bring this up, but I saw people sharing that and I saw everybody posting that.
00:09:43.000 And it struck me because you look at one of those people's Twitter accounts and every single one of them says,
00:09:47.920 open borders, everyone welcome, love lives here, hope lives here, we stand for justice, the moral arc of the universe.
00:09:58.740 And it said, but wait a minute, the minute someone runs afoul of your predilections or your particular political biases,
00:10:07.940 suddenly you're laughing and cajoling about a situation like this.
00:10:13.060 Humiliation, it does not, it's not even humiliation.
00:10:18.080 It's the most, it's almost repulsive to your soul.
00:10:21.900 That's so un-American. 0.84
00:10:23.640 And that's why the ACLU got involved because it's kind of like, it kind of rubs you the wrong way.
00:10:29.040 But to see people celebrating it.
00:10:31.280 Right.
00:10:31.560 And to see people this week, we exposed a CNN guy, his name is Rick Salibi.
00:10:35.520 I'm going to say that again.
00:10:36.880 Rick Salibi.
00:10:37.380 Well, and this is what I wanted to bring up as well.
00:10:39.520 Recorded by a former sex worker.
00:10:41.180 She's now working for a, you know, for people who have addiction problems.
00:10:46.420 She's known Rick for 10 years.
00:10:48.280 And she recorded him fantasizing, and usually I would not report something like this,
00:10:54.040 but he was fantasizing about a 14-year-old girl and he was asking for pictures of her 15-year-old daughter
00:11:00.480 and saying things I can't speak into the microphone.
00:11:03.560 But we released text messages, FaceTime videos.
00:11:06.200 Oh, by the way, on that piece right there, when I went to cover that story,
00:11:10.940 and we covered it both, both when you first released it and when you did name him,
00:11:15.800 which came out later, I went to the staff here and I said,
00:11:19.980 guys, I don't think we can play this stuff.
00:11:22.540 Yeah.
00:11:22.840 I said, there was maybe one piece where they were describing the text messages
00:11:27.300 because, and the way I said it was, it went from triple X to X to NC-17.
00:11:33.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:11:34.460 And then maybe I think this bit is just about R.
00:11:37.540 And I didn't show you, I blurred things, I, I, I mean, I almost fainted when I, when I, you know.
00:11:43.060 So there's more.
00:11:44.040 There's, there's more.
00:11:44.960 Wow.
00:11:45.140 There's a lot more graphic stuff.
00:11:46.760 And so here's the thing I've learned about journalism.
00:11:49.480 Now the argument is don't release the, I'm speaking generally,
00:11:53.440 don't release the information about the teacher or whatever because it could harm that person.
00:11:58.060 So journal, so the new argument from the people that don't like Project Veritas
00:12:00.980 is that those visuals of the people behaving badly will harm them
00:12:05.140 because people will be so outraged about what they're doing that, that it would induce violence
00:12:10.200 against them.
00:12:10.780 Well, here you have a case where who's the person being harmed?
00:12:14.060 Is it the guy who we're going to expose or is it the 13, 14 year old girl who might be harmed?
00:12:20.200 And that's where you have these clash of, of, of things.
00:12:23.100 So my question is, is, is Rick Salibi still working for CNN?
00:12:28.340 Jake Tapper, what, what say you?
00:12:30.760 What is the status of your employee?
00:12:32.680 Last time you secretly fired Steve Brusque.
00:12:35.260 That was another guy we exposed.
00:12:36.320 Oh, I know.
00:12:36.720 I know.
00:12:36.960 But this time we have FaceTime calls.
00:12:39.340 We have a source on the record who was a sex worker and she was very brave and she had
00:12:46.080 to give, send, go and we've raised her some money. 0.98
00:12:48.940 But is he still working for Jake Tapper?
00:12:50.980 Well, James, and here's, you know, I said this on the podcast recently when the story broke.
00:12:54.120 I said, Jake, help us out here.
00:12:58.860 We've got the audio of this, but we don't know for sure that voice.
00:13:04.960 And so we have the, you have the eyewitness, we have a lot of evidence, the text message,
00:13:09.540 and I'm sure.
00:13:10.000 The fiancé filed a police report.
00:13:11.000 The fiancé.
00:13:11.320 Oh, this is new information.
00:13:12.680 I'm sure you text the.
00:13:13.560 This is new information.
00:13:14.240 Oh, wait, wait.
00:13:14.660 The fiancé of the, this is so messed up it's going to make you sick, but I won't, I won't
00:13:19.900 say it graphically.
00:13:21.420 Rick Salibi was engaged to this woman, whose name I will not say, to protect her.
00:13:25.680 Oh, a separate woman. 1.00
00:13:26.800 No, this is, he had a fiancé.
00:13:29.020 And the fiancé's daughter is the one he was fantasizing about.
00:13:32.460 The woman that is going to live with him, this 14-year-old girl, the fiancé, I reached
00:13:38.600 out to her and she's like, I hate you guys at Project Veritas, and then because of, for
00:13:42.400 political.
00:13:42.960 Right, right, right.
00:13:43.280 After the story came out, she thanked me.
00:13:45.600 I have the text message.
00:13:46.840 She's thanking us.
00:13:47.660 We published it.
00:13:48.740 She gave us the permission to publish her text message.
00:13:50.860 And she went to the police about her, about Rick Salibi.
00:13:54.820 So now we have a police report filed.
00:13:56.960 So what I want to ask Jake Tapper, though, is Jake, when I do this work and I'm on TV
00:14:03.200 and you're on TV, Jake, there's a thing called the IFB.
00:14:07.220 And that's that little headphone that goes in your ear.
00:14:09.940 And what are you listening to on that?
00:14:11.260 It's your producer's voice.
00:14:12.480 You always hear it, whether on the other side of the glass or whoever, the other side
00:14:15.800 of the camera, the lights, et cetera.
00:14:18.200 I don't think there's anyone else on earth who's more qualified to identify that voice
00:14:25.020 than Jake Tapper himself.
00:14:27.960 And he won't do it.
00:14:29.160 So Jake, just tell us, yes or no, is that the voice?
00:14:32.460 They're going to secretly fire him, Jack, and we can't let that happen.
00:14:37.440 Twitter took down the video.
00:14:39.120 I saw.
00:14:39.820 1.3 million views.
00:14:41.300 I saw.
00:14:41.560 Why the hell?
00:14:42.340 Well, no, you told me the other night, and then I scrolled back.
00:14:45.220 They had took it down from my own account when I had embedded the video.
00:14:49.500 Why is Twitter taking down a video exposing this guy who's, you know, underage girl, you
00:14:56.200 know, taking what that is?
00:14:58.600 CNN.
00:14:59.260 No, here's the more profound question.
00:15:00.680 So that gets taken down.
00:15:01.360 Is Time Warner putting pressure on Twitter?
00:15:03.700 Is Jeff Zucker calling someone and telling them take this?
00:15:08.360 This is unbelievable.
00:15:09.380 And this is why Project Veritas matters.
00:15:12.320 I had to go to Rumble, and I had to go to Getter, and I went there.
00:15:16.160 I found everything, specifically on Rumble.
00:15:18.320 And it was there.
00:15:19.320 And it was, you know, I type in Veritas, CNN, first result.
00:15:23.120 No question.
00:15:23.960 And we are now getting to a point where you are going to have parallel infrastructure.
00:15:30.320 We're already seeing parallel economy.
00:15:32.080 You just mentioned Give, Send, Go, right?
00:15:34.100 We're already seeing this take place because Give, Send, Go, and if you know this, you
00:15:37.560 probably do.
00:15:38.140 They're working not only on crowdfunding.
00:15:40.740 They're doing payment processing.
00:15:42.400 They're even talking about getting, I don't know if I'm saying something I shouldn't.
00:15:45.400 They're even working on banking, right?
00:15:48.000 Good for them.
00:15:48.360 They're looking at ways to go through all of the different levels that you would need
00:15:53.140 to be able to conduct this.
00:15:53.860 They're going to become a target.
00:15:55.140 And they will become a target next.
00:15:56.180 Because we've raised half a million dollars from many of our whistleblowers.
00:16:00.480 Think about this.
00:16:01.220 I mean, just take a moment to process.
00:16:02.880 Half a million dollars for these whistleblowers through $10 donations.
00:16:07.840 It's really a beautiful thing, and it's given people, Jack, because in the 20th century,
00:16:12.340 if you're a whistleblower, your life was over.
00:16:14.720 You could go to Mike Wallace or, you know, Peter Jennings.
00:16:17.440 Wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:16:18.420 But that Facebook whistleblower, James, I saw her, and she came out.
00:16:23.460 It's Frances Holland, and she comes out, and she's got a book deal.
00:16:28.220 She's speaking in front of Congress.
00:16:30.260 Well, what do you mean?
00:16:31.840 Well, I mean, and that's because it's about the findings.
00:16:35.660 They make it about our methods, but it's ostensibly about our findings.
00:16:38.580 Well, no, what was amazing about that one, because we covered that story with Frances Holland,
00:16:41.160 is that she wasn't a real whistleblower.
00:16:43.100 Because a whistleblower, the way I've always understood it,
00:16:45.980 is that someone who's providing information that was secret,
00:16:50.640 that was kept secret because it opposes the stated myth.
00:16:53.240 And she wanted, and her, and her, whereas hers was that they weren't censoring enough.
00:16:58.080 And I was going to say, her revelations was that do more censorship.
00:17:01.380 Right, exactly.
00:17:01.700 It was like, you're not doing enough to censor people.
00:17:05.140 This isn't a whistleblower, that's an operation.
00:17:07.020 And I'm not like many people on the right who are, she has, it's her right to do that.
00:17:11.680 If you want to blow the whistle on the fact that your company's not doing enough fraud,
00:17:15.660 well, that's your prerogative.
00:17:17.280 But whistleblowing is to be, is to walk outside the great stage of being.
00:17:22.660 It's kind of like an astronaut tied to the mothership.
00:17:25.320 You cut your umbilical cord, you float away.
00:17:28.000 Whistleblowing is a very American ideal. 0.97
00:17:31.300 And throughout the 20th century, people who did it were, 96% of them were like,
00:17:37.240 I don't know if I should have done that.
00:17:39.280 With Give, Send, Go, and their great work, because GoFundMe will just take it down.
00:17:44.440 People are able to sustain themselves.
00:17:47.080 Yes.
00:17:47.260 It's a movement, and that's the performance that we did.
00:17:49.500 If you haven't watched it, watch it, because I brought them on the stage here.
00:17:53.060 And it was, it was, it was like electric.
00:17:54.760 Oh, yeah, we didn't mention that.
00:17:55.880 It was amazing.
00:17:56.460 They walked out and people sort of jumped up out of their chairs.
00:18:00.140 But once they realized, because these videos have gotten millions and millions of views,
00:18:05.380 you know, I always know when your team sends me, you send me a thing.
00:18:07.760 I always send them to you.
00:18:08.720 I just click it.
00:18:09.460 I just click it.
00:18:10.260 Even before I read it, I say, at this point with James, I'm just clicking it.
00:18:13.060 I appreciate your trust.
00:18:14.120 Because I know this is going to go up and up and up.
00:18:16.440 And I think, and because they've taken you down on so many places that, and I watch it.
00:18:21.260 Don't worry, I watch it.
00:18:22.180 Yeah.
00:18:23.340 And that we are one of the last places here at Human Events that hasn't been taken down on Twitter.
00:18:29.600 And some of these places where we can actually get that message out.
00:18:33.180 But, you know, so going back to a little bit before, what can you tell us in terms of this whole FBI situation?
00:18:41.460 Yeah, I can tell you anything.
00:18:42.560 Where, where do things stand now?
00:18:45.880 Or as far as you know, is what were they able to tell us?
00:18:48.440 So what happened was the, the FBI raided my home, the home of an, I'm an American journalist.
00:18:56.980 And they put me in handcuffs and they took my phones.
00:19:00.380 And then the judge in New York, this is in the Southern District of New York, which is federal jurisdiction.
00:19:06.160 Sometimes it's called the Sovereign District of New York because they do what they want to do.
00:19:10.660 The federal judge ordered them to stop going through my phone.
00:19:13.700 They had my phone for three or four days.
00:19:15.240 And then, and this is a very unique and unusual thing.
00:19:19.780 The federal judge ordered, ordered what's called a special master.
00:19:23.040 Ah, yes.
00:19:23.840 And the federal judge, and for those of you think, well, Republican judge, no, this was an Obama appointed judge.
00:19:30.000 Explain for people, what is a special master?
00:19:31.780 What does that mean?
00:19:32.640 I'm not doing justice to this because I'm not a lawyer, but I'll try to explain it in layman's terms.
00:19:37.620 They appoint us usually as a prosecutorial taint team that goes to your phone because they're only supposed to find the evidence pertaining to the issue at hand.
00:19:45.040 Right.
00:19:45.160 So a special master for people who aren't familiar with this isn't usually brought in in a case like this.
00:19:51.060 Never brought in.
00:19:52.040 It usually has to deal with a situation where there's privilege.
00:19:55.460 So whether that be like a medical malpractice, for example.
00:19:58.500 Well, in this case, the judge cited journalistic privilege, which is an extraordinary admission.
00:20:05.600 The federal judge in New York cites the First Amendment and journalistic privilege.
00:20:10.040 You can't count on one hand that happening in decades.
00:20:15.100 I've never heard.
00:20:15.320 Right.
00:20:15.620 Well, you've never heard of it because this has never happened.
00:20:17.260 Right.
00:20:17.600 They didn't do it with Rudy Giuliani, but he's Rudy Giuliani.
00:20:21.060 Sure.
00:20:21.280 And they did it with James O'Keefe and Project Veritas, and the reporters' committee went to the magistrate judge who signed the warrant.
00:20:29.940 Yes.
00:20:30.420 Sarah Cave is her name.
00:20:32.500 She was sent a letter by the reporters' committee, Jack.
00:20:35.740 This is extraordinary.
00:20:37.020 You have to understand how surreal the circumstances are.
00:20:40.940 The same people who are usually excoriating you.
00:20:43.460 At the New York Times.
00:20:44.160 Yes.
00:20:44.940 Formerly BuzzFeed.
00:20:45.540 And Josh Gerstein at Politico.
00:20:47.760 And Wolf Blitzer.
00:20:49.200 Oh, Josh.
00:20:49.740 They wrote letters to the magistrate judge saying, what the hell?
00:20:53.480 And the magistrate judge took that letter and forwarded it to the Department of Justice and said, what the hell?
00:20:59.400 And there was an actual hearing.
00:21:01.300 So, is it—
00:21:02.940 And we should say, in case I—and we haven't put a point in this, the special master is someone who then looks at the files before they are given over to the investigators.
00:21:13.180 There's usually a taint team within the prosecutorial team, but the judge said, and I'm paraphrasing, that doesn't really look good in this case, journalistic privilege.
00:21:23.880 So now they've appointed an outside person that has my phone, and there's so much—
00:21:30.520 So they still have your phone?
00:21:31.860 They still have my phone, and people think, well, why don't they just give your phone back?
00:21:34.680 Well, you know, listen, the DOJ won't roll over easily.
00:21:39.620 Were you given a copy of the search warrant?
00:21:43.360 I have—yeah, it's published.
00:21:44.760 It's a public document.
00:21:45.740 And what was their stated, you know, probable cause in all of this?
00:21:50.400 So that's in an affidavit.
00:21:53.400 Right.
00:21:53.820 In order to execute an FBI—by the way, this is a very aggressive move by the Department of Justice.
00:21:58.660 Extremely.
00:21:58.900 People need to understand just how—I mean, Mike Schmidt, the New York Times, was on MSNBC.
00:22:03.760 Actually, credit to him, saying just how crazy this is.
00:22:07.560 He said this yesterday.
00:22:08.840 He goes, for the Department of Justice to execute a search warrant against a journalist?
00:22:13.280 He said, that is the most aggressive thing you can possibly do, and we don't know the
00:22:20.680 basis because the affidavit is sealed when the magistrate judge signs it, but the Attorney
00:22:26.980 General of the United States, Merrick Garland, signed a memo in July explicitly forbidding
00:22:32.020 search warrants against journalists.
00:22:34.440 So I actually—and I don't want to speculate, but I'm not sure that the Attorney General knew
00:22:38.420 this was going on, or who made this decision, but whoever made this decision, they made a
00:22:44.540 mistake.
00:22:45.780 They overstepped their skis.
00:22:48.100 And now it's come out that the thing looks like it wasn't even stolen.
00:22:51.860 And even if it was, which I didn't know if it was at the time, I'd be in my First Amendment
00:22:56.380 right to publish whatever someone gives to me.
00:22:58.860 Yes.
00:22:59.260 And I chose not to publish it, and I chose to try to ask for comment.
00:23:02.840 And then this week, the New York Times reporter characterized me asking for comment as trying
00:23:08.880 to get, quote, leverage.
00:23:10.400 Explain this for everybody.
00:23:11.860 Explain this, right?
00:23:12.900 New York Times, by the way, the New York Times doesn't hit this on me like every other
00:23:16.520 freaking day.
00:23:16.640 This is the Ashley Biden diary.
00:23:18.080 They're obsessed.
00:23:18.540 This is what we're talking about.
00:23:19.660 We're talking about a whole host of issues that are interconnected.
00:23:22.800 Diaries.
00:23:23.240 That's kind of the central—
00:23:24.980 I guess that's the pretense.
00:23:26.500 Pretext.
00:23:27.320 Every other day, Jack, there's a front page hit piece on Project Veritas.
00:23:31.440 As I said to Charlie, it's like Dean Becket has a voodoo James O'Keefe doll and just sticks 0.61
00:23:36.560 pins in it.
00:23:37.300 Get that James O'Keefe.
00:23:38.740 I'm going to get him.
00:23:40.200 I mean, they have nothing better to do than send their Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters
00:23:45.240 out to try to, like, butcher the English language.
00:23:48.600 So they call—I reached out for Biden for comment.
00:23:51.580 People, why did you do that?
00:23:52.580 I thought you said you weren't going to publish the diary.
00:23:54.780 Well, yes, I made the decision editorially.
00:23:56.620 I couldn't authenticate it.
00:23:58.280 And even if I could—I mean, I wasn't certain that it was hers.
00:24:01.440 And I wasn't certain if the things inside of the diary happened.
00:24:05.220 But I still felt it was a good idea to call for comment or have Jared, my lawyer, reach
00:24:11.120 out to them and see what they had to say.
00:24:13.200 And then Mike Schmidt of the New York Times says—
00:24:16.440 They use the diary as leverage.
00:24:19.920 Leverage.
00:24:20.500 Leverage.
00:24:20.680 And then Rachel Maddow, Rachel Maddow takes that quote, invites Mike Schmidt of the New
00:24:26.320 York Times on the show.
00:24:27.500 He's a Pulitzer Prize reporter and says, now, Mike, it appears that it was an extortion
00:24:31.980 attempt.
00:24:32.840 You should have seen look on Mike Schmidt's face.
00:24:34.860 He was like, well, before we get to that, let's talk about something.
00:24:39.320 Mike Schmidt did not push back on Rachel Maddow.
00:24:42.780 So then I proceeded to eat ramen noodles, like the guy from the— 0.99
00:24:47.380 By the way, this is the first TikTok I've seen you do.
00:24:49.540 First TikTok I've ever done.
00:24:50.420 Oh, your first TikToker.
00:24:51.940 But this situation deserved a TikTok.
00:24:54.360 So I'm eating ramen noodles, and I'm like, it's called—it's called Request for Comment.
00:24:59.820 And I published the letter that my lawyer sent to the Biden.
00:25:04.040 And then I go—and the New York Times dude did that with me two days ago.
00:25:08.560 And then you published the email from Mike's—
00:25:10.100 From the New York Times.
00:25:10.780 And it was the same guy, right?
00:25:11.940 Extorting me.
00:25:12.540 From Schmidt, right?
00:25:13.300 Yeah, Schmidt said, please give me your comment by this date, or I will publish.
00:25:17.280 And that's why he couldn't answer the question, because he knew that he had done the exact
00:25:20.360 same thing.
00:25:22.060 To you.
00:25:22.700 Yeah.
00:25:24.160 But do you see how they word it?
00:25:25.700 It's so twisted.
00:25:26.480 But do you see how they say it?
00:25:27.840 It's so twisted.
00:25:28.340 They say, leverage.
00:25:30.560 Sounds evil.
00:25:31.780 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:25:32.860 It sounds like—I mean, and that's—but this is a really important point.
00:25:36.640 Because you're the dark, James O'Keefe.
00:25:38.440 But listen, this is a really—
00:25:40.780 The way they're able to manipulate language.
00:25:43.460 These writers at the New York Times, they're almost like Picasso.
00:25:47.100 They're able to take something and characterize it, so that if I film the thing, it's completely
00:25:56.160 opposite of the words that they use to describe it.
00:25:59.660 And because they have the power of the algorithm to prefer their articles in the Twitter, Google, Facebook, you know, machine, that's the power that they have.
00:26:10.780 And I believe, Project Veritas believes that the videotape of the thing occurring will defeat their propaganda descriptions of the thing.
00:26:22.840 If that isn't true, then I don't know.
00:26:24.080 Well, James, and you know—and I know Veritas wasn't—but the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, which just took place, the importance of raw video—
00:26:31.900 It looks so important.
00:26:32.900 —in that case.
00:26:33.900 I really believe, having looked at that day in, day out, that's what won the day.
00:26:36.580 I think it was the fact that they had that raw video that made its way through the courthouse, that made its way into that jury room of the 12 people.
00:26:44.980 Despite the entire mainstream media, the regime—the President Biden himself declaring this kid a white supremacist, they still couldn't defeat the power of video.
00:26:54.140 And that's why they don't like it.
00:26:55.580 And it's the same thing with you.
00:26:56.400 That's why they want to get—see, here's another interesting distinction.
00:26:59.520 They want me to shut up.
00:27:01.980 I want them to talk more.
00:27:04.440 Yes, indeed.
00:27:05.120 It's like a deposition.
00:27:06.640 Correct.
00:27:07.100 Like, I—
00:27:07.700 Please continue.
00:27:08.240 Please do—I enjoy depositions.
00:27:10.520 I'd open any questions, yeah.
00:27:11.520 I want to bring popcorn.
00:27:12.980 I love talking about my methods.
00:27:14.920 I don't want to talk about my sources.
00:27:16.260 The New York Times doxed my source with a diary.
00:27:20.660 It's a very unjournalistic thing to do.
00:27:23.080 But I love being deposed, and I've won every lawsuit.
00:27:25.940 Do you know that we've won every single lawsuit at Project Veritas?
00:27:28.840 I do, because Tierman tells me every single time, yes.
00:27:32.500 Do you know how hard it is to win?
00:27:34.700 It is not that easy.
00:27:35.040 And the reason we win is because we take them all the way to a jury verdict.
00:27:39.080 And I'm willing to do that.
00:27:41.680 You know who I'm a little frustrated with, but I understand, is who's the kid that got defamed with the Native American man? 0.97
00:27:49.700 Salmon.
00:27:50.360 What's his name?
00:27:50.940 Nick Salmon.
00:27:51.760 Nick Sandman.
00:27:52.520 Yeah.
00:27:52.900 He settled with NBC News this week.
00:27:54.520 He did, yes.
00:27:55.120 And I understand the fights, but you know what?
00:27:58.020 He should depose NBC News.
00:28:00.460 You say keep going.
00:28:01.740 Keep going.
00:28:02.960 Because I understand he has a few more out, a few more outstanding.
00:28:05.220 Because in the discovery process, in litigation, you start getting their emails, you start getting their videotaped depositions.
00:28:11.760 That's what litigation is all about.
00:28:13.020 Which is why they want to settle before it goes to discovery.
00:28:16.060 And I've been told in my New York Times defamation lawsuit that if it was anybody else, they'd give me money.
00:28:22.400 And they may offer me money.
00:28:24.740 And to that I say, I will not take your money.
00:28:27.600 So you're not going to take it?
00:28:28.040 And they'll say, what's your price?
00:28:29.380 And I'll say, my price is my life.
00:28:32.720 Amen.
00:28:33.300 Well, James, and look, I'm a student of the communist revolution that took place in China, the cultural revolution, the CCP, what they did there.
00:28:42.160 One of their most famous, infamous tactics was the struggle session and the show trial.
00:28:49.940 Making someone get up in front of their peers, repudiate themselves, admit that they did wrong, and have to internalize that.
00:28:58.600 I think that's where they're going with you.
00:29:00.720 And what advice do you have for me?
00:29:03.160 My advice is, stand your ground.
00:29:06.160 Stand your ground.
00:29:06.700 I know you will.
00:29:07.560 I know you will.
00:29:08.400 James, we only have a couple of minutes left, a couple of seconds left.
00:29:10.880 But what do you have to tell us that Project Veritas, that you can tell us, has in store for the next year?
00:29:17.060 And where can people go to still find you?
00:29:19.160 I mean, what doesn't Project Veritas have?
00:29:21.900 I mean, we have sources everywhere.
00:29:23.980 I mean, I'm not exaggerating.
00:29:26.400 You know, other people have speculated that that is the reason why they took my phone.
00:29:31.960 But that won't stop us.
00:29:33.420 You know, we've got many employees.
00:29:35.600 Most of the time, I'm the CEO of the company.
00:29:37.800 So I have journalists who have their own sources.
00:29:40.880 Right.
00:29:41.980 Are they going to raid all their homes, too?
00:29:44.100 No.
00:29:45.060 And I think you're going to see a lot of stories come out inside.
00:29:50.900 There's a lot of, I mean, this sex worker found me.
00:29:55.020 You know what all these people say?
00:29:56.540 I've said this to you before.
00:29:57.820 They always say, James, there's nowhere else for me to go.
00:30:01.720 Yeah.
00:30:01.860 And this woman didn't even like Project Veritas. 0.59
00:30:04.680 She's like, I don't really like you guys, but I got nowhere else to go.
00:30:07.380 Right.
00:30:08.280 There's no, so we have a big responsibility.
00:30:11.060 And if I may make a plug, please.
00:30:14.260 I'm coming out with this book called American Muckraker.
00:30:17.460 It's taken me five years to write.
00:30:19.340 Wow.
00:30:19.500 All the proceeds go to Project Veritas.
00:30:22.360 It's AmericanMuckraker.com.
00:30:24.220 You've been talking, you've mentioned this book.
00:30:26.420 I've heard you mention it.
00:30:27.200 It's really serious.
00:30:28.400 Serious.
00:30:29.180 This book is about ethics and privacy and suffering and whistleblowing and litigation.
00:30:34.940 And it really is my life's work.
00:30:39.140 I can die happy for having written it.
00:30:41.960 And I would really urge you all to go pre-order it.
00:30:45.300 AmericanMuckraker.com.
00:30:46.820 You can pick up a copy and that's all I've got to say.
00:30:50.280 All right.
00:30:50.440 We'll make sure to promote that when it comes up.
00:30:52.320 But James, one last quick question.
00:30:53.680 You know, there were a lot of people who were very upset with you.
00:30:57.160 They were very upset because they didn't get a chance to go see your starring performance
00:31:01.800 in the Oklahoma musical.
00:31:04.840 And they want to know.
00:31:05.840 They want to know if there's any more coming.
00:31:07.840 Yes.
00:31:08.600 There is going to be a performance on January 29th, which Benny Ray is going to be there.
00:31:13.820 I know she will be.
00:31:14.900 Oh, uh-oh.
00:31:15.780 You're both invited.
00:31:16.880 Oh, is this the one in Miami?
00:31:18.720 Oh, this is why they said I have to go to Miami.
00:31:20.640 And we're calling it the Project Veritas Experience.
00:31:23.680 Oh, my goodness.
00:31:24.580 You saw three acts this morning.
00:31:26.140 There's going to be 12 acts.
00:31:27.400 I'm there.
00:31:27.900 Or thereabouts.
00:31:28.940 And I'd love you to come, Jack.
00:31:30.520 You'll have a VIP ticket.
00:31:31.680 We'll go.
00:31:32.100 For you and your family.
00:31:33.040 You're all invited.
00:31:33.880 We're there.
00:31:34.420 You'll get comped.
00:31:35.900 You too, Benny.
00:31:37.420 Producer Benny here.
00:31:38.140 Benny's the most interesting person in the world.
00:31:41.380 The most unique person.
00:31:43.560 There are no words to describe Benny.
00:31:45.100 You're great.
00:31:46.020 You're all invited.
00:31:46.720 And for those of you who want to, we're a nonprofit, so you make a donation.
00:31:51.780 You get in, it's ProjectVeritasExperience.com.
00:31:56.000 ProjectVeritasExperience.com.
00:31:56.920 January 29th.
00:31:57.680 If you missed Oklahoma, come see the Cats meets musical meets Project Veritas meets art meets journalism.
00:32:05.940 All right.
00:32:06.140 And this is in Miami, right?
00:32:07.100 This is in the Fountain Blue Hotel in Miami, Florida.
00:32:09.420 All right.
00:32:09.900 Ladies and gentlemen, you heard it here for the first time, I believe, right?
00:32:13.140 This is the first time I've said that.
00:32:14.520 Yes, all right.
00:32:15.380 January 29th, the Fountain Blue Hotel.
00:32:17.480 I know that hotel, actually.
00:32:18.440 I know that well.
00:32:19.220 In Miami, Florida.
00:32:20.040 James O'Keefe, always a pleasure.
00:32:21.600 We're playing for you.
00:32:22.300 And by the way, Merry Christmas.
00:32:23.660 Merry Christmas.