Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EXCLUSIVE： THE JAKE GARDNER STORY REVEALED

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:00:05.740 Now, because we have been doing some of these evergreen conversations, some of these stories

00:00:11.340 where, you know, we're always focused on the news of the day every single day on this,

00:00:17.260 but I wanted to take this time around the holidays to kind of record some content, pre-record,

00:00:21.920 you know, so we did this in Phoenix right around when America Fest was going on, kind

00:00:25.600 of on the sidelines.

00:00:26.480 But a lot of people were coming in, so I said, ooh, I want to interview this person, I want

00:00:30.300 to interview that person.

00:00:31.620 And then there were some people who were coming who I've connected with online in the past,

00:00:37.580 but never actually met in person.

00:00:39.720 And they had a story, and they were part of a story that is something that really should

00:00:47.920 be on the mind of every conservative, every patriot, and really just anybody who lives

00:00:54.400 in this country and wants to understand what's been going on here for the last 18 months

00:00:58.780 or so.

00:00:59.980 And that is the story of Jake Gardner.

00:01:04.020 And now everybody knows Kyle Rittenhouse, and everybody knows the story of this guy was

00:01:09.180 in, you know, in that event, in that situation that he was in, was put in the situation that

00:01:13.980 he was in, and then he had to defend himself.

00:01:16.280 He was later, of course, you know, we know the rest of the story for a year, right? 0.62

00:01:20.260 Or 14 months, was called every name under the sun, white supremacist, murderer, all the

00:01:24.980 rest of it, by people up to and including the President of the United States, Joe Biden,

00:01:30.120 right?

00:01:30.420 Then finally, when he was put before a jury of his peers, he was completely exonerated.

00:01:35.740 But what not everybody knows is that there was a similar situation that took place in

00:01:39.360 Omaha, Nebraska, to a guy by the name of Jake Gardner.

00:01:43.280 And so we have here with us today, two folks, they're actually members or, you know, part of

00:01:49.020 the Nebraska Freedom Coalition.

00:01:50.960 We've got Leah Shirley, and she was actually, in the past, a Turning Point field rep and

00:01:56.780 chapter chair out there.

00:01:58.120 And we also have Jake's girlfriend, Dana, who's joining us to talk about this situation.

00:02:05.180 And, you know, look, this guy, I just really wanted this to be a platform.

00:02:09.420 This, the way I look at it is, this is Jake's story.

00:02:12.240 This is your story to tell.

00:02:13.540 And, you know, I really just wanted you guys to be able to come in and share that story

00:02:19.020 with the audience here, because this is something that I think, and it's very sad, and I wish

00:02:25.240 that it had turned out differently.

00:02:26.420 But, you know, when you look at Kyle Rittenhouse's exoneration, and the fact that he was able,

00:02:35.740 finally, finally, when he got through everything, to be put in front of that jury, that they did

00:02:41.900 the right thing.

00:02:42.660 And they looked at that video, and they said, look, he did what he had to do, or he would

00:02:47.660 not have been alive to get through it.

00:02:49.600 And Jake, that is the exact same thing that happened to him.

00:02:51.880 But, you know, I don't know how you guys want to start, or basically, you know, or maybe

00:02:57.580 just, maybe just start this, you know, kind of talk about how it was that you, that you

00:03:01.980 knew Jake.

00:03:02.800 Well, I just want to start by thanking you for giving us this platform.

00:03:07.100 Obviously, it's something very close to our hearts.

00:03:09.760 I know I mentioned to you when Kyle was exonerated, that is kind of a bittersweet moment, because

00:03:15.880 it felt like it was a little bit of a win for Jake, too, but he just wasn't here to experience.

00:03:21.700 That, I guess, I knew Jake through Dana, primarily because she dated him for, it would have been

00:03:29.980 seven years, just about a week ago.

00:03:32.200 And also, because he was an avid supporter of all conservative values.

00:03:38.320 He volunteered for the Trump campaign back in 2015, 2016.

00:03:42.860 He was a huge supporter of our Turning Point chapter at Creighton.

00:03:47.020 And he was just very active in the community, wanted to make Omaha a fun and lively place for

00:03:57.300 people to come and experience and just be engaged with each other.

00:04:01.440 So that was how I knew him.

00:04:03.280 And then, obviously, Dana dated him for upwards of six years.

00:04:08.020 So you knew him outside of all the political stuff.

00:04:11.040 You did, yeah, I did, yep.

00:04:13.380 Yeah, we started dating, yeah, about six years ago.

00:04:17.220 Our first date was at our amazing zoo that we've been talking about all day.

00:04:20.760 You guys have been telling me about the zoo, by the way.

00:04:23.380 I'm not exactly saying that.

00:04:24.680 Just google it.

00:04:24.760 It's the number one zoo in the world.

00:04:26.060 When I thought of zoos, I never thought that Omaha, right?

00:04:28.820 Yeah, I know.

00:04:30.060 It puts us on the map.

00:04:31.100 Really?

00:04:31.500 Yeah.

00:04:31.680 Okay.

00:04:32.020 All right.

00:04:32.580 All right.

00:04:33.080 Well, we will go.

00:04:34.180 And, of course, it's up to the kids.

00:04:35.760 It's not up to me.

00:04:36.600 Or, you know, it's up to them.

00:04:37.760 Yeah.

00:04:38.040 But if they have a good time, we will come up.

00:04:39.740 We'll make it happen.

00:04:40.560 Yeah.

00:04:40.820 We'll go to the zoo.

00:04:41.480 Yeah, for sure.

00:04:42.200 So you had your first date at the zoo.

00:04:43.180 We did, yeah.

00:04:43.720 That's amazing.

00:04:44.220 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:45.440 And then it just kind of went from there.

00:04:48.360 Yeah.

00:04:50.160 And then, so going through to it, so then would you go to, like, the Turning Point stuff with

00:04:54.020 him or the campaign stuff?

00:04:56.100 No.

00:04:56.520 No.

00:04:56.700 That was more, like, his deal.

00:04:57.920 That was more his deal.

00:04:59.000 Jake was, like, the boots on the ground for that and just, like, to be running with that whole

00:05:03.100 thing.

00:05:03.520 And I was just kind of the supporter on the back end.

00:05:06.420 Yeah, no, it's my wife, Tanya, and then kind of the same deal where, you know, if there's,

00:05:12.160 like, a specific event, like this, like, America Fest is going on, and so she'll come with me

00:05:16.740 to that.

00:05:17.420 But in terms of if it's just, you know, tabling or something, right, she's not going out there

00:05:22.620 day to day.

00:05:23.200 Yeah.

00:05:23.680 Though she does listen to the podcast.

00:05:25.260 Yeah.

00:05:25.460 I'll give her that.

00:05:25.880 I'll give her that.

00:05:26.420 And we actually have a special Christmas episode as well.

00:05:29.920 Oh, nice.

00:05:30.020 Kelsey, I guess I'll have to check that out.

00:05:31.920 So, you know, kind of let's, and I don't know which one of you, either one of you wants

00:05:37.080 to start, but for those who don't know Jake Gardner, just kind of in a nutshell, right,

00:05:43.660 who, what, where, when, why of Jake and, you know, how did it end up the way that it

00:05:52.060 did?

00:05:52.640 Sure.

00:05:52.960 So, back in May of 2020, right around when the George Floyd riots were going on, there

00:06:01.440 was a protest in Omaha, started out probably midtown area, and then they were making active

00:06:08.260 plans to move downtown.

00:06:10.620 Jake had a very popular bar downtown.

00:06:13.800 He owned the bar.

00:06:14.860 It was called The Hive.

00:06:16.300 And he also then turned it into, it was called The Gatsby, which 20s theme, Roaring 20s, had

00:06:21.880 a huge New Year's Eve celebration there in 2020.

00:06:26.840 But he, after the COVID lockdowns, was preparing the bar, preparing inventory, cleaning everything

00:06:34.300 up to be ready to open up the following weekend when the lockdowns were over.

00:06:41.000 So, that day, he was there with his father, with his business partner, just a couple bartenders,

00:06:49.160 and they were there all day.

00:06:50.680 It was a Saturday.

00:06:51.300 They were there all day, cleaning up, getting everything ready.

00:06:55.160 And the protesters started making their way downtown as soon as it was starting to get

00:07:00.780 a little darker out.

00:07:03.120 And really what happened was the protest, peaceful protest, turns into more of a riot.

00:07:11.840 They start throwing bricks, throwing rocks and windows at buildings.

00:07:15.760 And so, he was just kind of monitoring the situation from the bar.

00:07:21.340 His plan was to, if anything had happened, pull the fire alarm, call the police, let the

00:07:27.800 officials handle it.

00:07:29.160 And he just wanted to be there to try and minimize or assess the damage.

00:07:33.020 What ended up happening was the name of the man who attacked him was James Scurlock, was around

00:07:42.020 different areas around the block already throwing rocks, throwing bricks through windows, property

00:07:49.260 damage, of course.

00:07:50.220 And a group came and approached Jake's bar.

00:07:54.580 And what had happened was originally they were throwing rocks, everything, of course.

00:08:00.780 And his father comes out after it lulls down a little bit, Jake's father, and asks them

00:08:06.300 to just kind of move along.

00:08:08.000 Like, keep it pushing.

00:08:09.040 Don't.

00:08:09.580 We don't need to do this.

00:08:10.720 And someone actually came from across the street and body slammed his father to the ground.

00:08:18.280 And most of this is on video, right?

00:08:19.700 Yes.

00:08:20.180 It's all on video.

00:08:21.660 And I know I've watched this.

00:08:24.280 For anybody listening, we'll have to put a link out for folks to see it, because this

00:08:29.040 is all on video.

00:08:30.860 Correct.

00:08:31.540 So, body slammed his dad to the ground.

00:08:33.900 At that point, Jake came over and tried to dissolve the situation, tried to...

00:08:39.320 And his dad's a little bit older, right?

00:08:41.720 His dad is a little bit older, and he was currently going through, like, cancer treatment.

00:08:46.020 So, he wasn't in the best physical condition or anything.

00:08:50.280 And Jake came over, tried to de-escalate, and they didn't want to de-escalate.

00:08:56.620 He was obviously an avid Second Amendment supporter.

00:09:00.640 He always carried on him, being working downtown Omaha.

00:09:05.420 And one thing that they do like to say is, well, his permit was expired.

00:09:09.560 It was expired by a few days, and it only expired because of all the COVID restrictions.

00:09:15.300 He wasn't able to get in and renew it.

00:09:18.200 So, that's one of the things that they like to say.

00:09:20.800 But he told them, he said, I don't want any trouble.

00:09:24.980 He's backing up from them.

00:09:26.460 But that's just for a concealed carry, right?

00:09:28.040 Right.

00:09:28.500 Correct.

00:09:28.660 Because at this point, he's on his private property, right?

00:09:32.220 Correct.

00:09:32.580 Yep.

00:09:32.920 Because he owns the bar.

00:09:33.920 Right.

00:09:34.060 And he lived above the bar, did he not?

00:09:37.100 Or was his apartment?

00:09:37.580 He lived right across the street from the bar.

00:09:40.440 But people like to say that, like, well, he was on the sidewalk, right?

00:09:44.620 Which wasn't anywhere near his property, which clearly was.

00:09:47.960 So, anyway.

00:09:48.960 Right.

00:09:49.200 So, he's backing up.

00:09:50.760 He, at one point, brandishes his firearm, and he's like, I don't want any trouble, trying

00:09:55.200 to de-escalate.

00:09:56.880 At that point, some girl comes and jumps on him and is holding him, just trying to restrain

00:10:06.960 him.

00:10:07.280 At that point, he fired a shot, not towards her or anything, but just fired the shot.

00:10:13.480 In his mind, he told Dana, I did that.

00:10:16.160 Usually, the sound scares people off, usually.

00:10:18.520 Like a warning shot.

00:10:19.220 Yeah, like a warning shot.

00:10:20.800 Into the air, not at someone.

00:10:22.400 Right.

00:10:22.700 Into the air.

00:10:23.440 And at that point, she got off of him.

00:10:28.380 But at that point was when James Scurlock ran towards him, jumped on his back, had him

00:10:33.820 in a chokehold, and from what he has told Dana, his business partners, other people, there

00:10:39.400 was a puddle right on the ground.

00:10:41.880 It had rained the night before, and James was actively trying to drown him, like push

00:10:46.560 his face in the puddle.

00:10:48.680 And James is on-

00:10:49.560 Which you can do, by the way.

00:10:50.380 Yeah, you can do.

00:10:51.220 Absolutely.

00:10:51.840 People don't realize, two inches of water is easily left.

00:10:54.660 People drown.

00:10:55.460 It happens with kids all the time.

00:10:56.800 Sure.

00:10:57.960 Where they think, oh, it's just a puddle.

00:10:59.720 But no, no, no, no, no.

00:11:00.460 If you close up the airways, that's it.

00:11:04.360 Yeah.

00:11:04.660 And you can hear a couple times throughout the video, like you said you've watched, Jake

00:11:09.320 is saying, I can't breathe.

00:11:10.920 Please get off me.

00:11:11.980 Please get off me.

00:11:13.240 Eight times.

00:11:13.940 Yeah, roughly like eight times.

00:11:15.580 And this goes on for-

00:11:16.520 You can hear him yelling it.

00:11:17.340 A few minutes.

00:11:18.900 And at that point, he takes his gun and just fires over his shoulder.

00:11:24.220 It hits Scurlock, I assume, in the jugular, hit him in the neck, and he bled out on the

00:11:28.920 way to the hospital.

00:11:30.460 Um, and as soon as that happened, Jake went inside his bar, called the police, waited

00:11:36.600 there for them to come.

00:11:38.240 They came, put him in handcuffs, of course, and everything, took him to the police department,

00:11:42.500 and he probably spent the next day or so there while they were reviewing everything.

00:11:48.340 Um, as they were reviewing all of the footage, he had security cameras everywhere around the

00:11:53.800 bar.

00:11:54.040 So there were, there's clear-cut footage of this incident.

00:11:58.240 And you can even hear on the videos him asking, like, please get off me.

00:12:03.200 I can't breathe.

00:12:03.980 Please get off me.

00:12:04.880 Um, and James had told him multiple times, even when he was on his back.

00:12:09.920 James was on Jake's back telling him-

00:12:11.020 Scurlock.

00:12:11.980 Yeah, Scurlock. 1.00

00:12:12.940 I'm going to effing kill you, N-word. 1.00

00:12:16.580 Like, multiple times. 1.00

00:12:17.780 His dad heard it. 1.00

00:12:18.220 He was going to get his gun and kill him. 1.00

00:12:19.620 His business partner heard it. 1.00

00:12:21.700 Mm-hmm.

00:12:21.960 Um, so it, after reviewing all of the evidence, after seeing the video footage and everything,

00:12:28.900 the DA's office, Don Klein at the time, and the Omaha Police Department came to a unanimous

00:12:34.820 decision that it was a clear-cut case of self-defense.

00:12:37.880 Um, as-

00:12:38.800 So let me pause you right there.

00:12:39.860 Right?

00:12:40.040 So they, they go through all this craziness.

00:12:42.700 And we saw so many of these incidents throughout all of this.

00:12:46.240 And I remember I wrote about this in, um, when I did the Antifa book, cause we'd had

00:12:51.040 the whole timeline of things and we went to sort of, but each one, you know, we were

00:12:56.120 only doing a paragraph on each.

00:12:57.800 Right?

00:12:58.200 And so I remember this was one of the first ones cause it was May.

00:13:01.720 And I think it's something where people though, they got lost in because that happened.

00:13:08.980 And then the next day that something happened.

00:13:10.360 And then the Friday after that, something happened and people, things kept happening over and over

00:13:14.940 and over that summer.

00:13:16.120 And that's why in the book we had to do such a timeline because I didn't want any, because

00:13:21.840 of course you, in like the Wikipedia page, it's like totally taken down now.

00:13:25.160 It's totally whitewashed.

00:13:26.980 Um, they even took away all the death count that used to be there for 2020 because so many

00:13:31.300 of these things happened and yet, you know, we just kept driving along events, kept driving

00:13:36.200 along and people weren't going back and then re-examining them.

00:13:39.260 So in this situation though, the local police, DA, all the officials look at this thing and

00:13:46.080 they say, and it's not like Kyle Rittenhouse, by the way, Kyle Rittenhouse, they drop a murder

00:13:50.560 charge, double murder charge on him immediately, right?

00:13:53.600 Without any investigation, without any review whatsoever.

00:13:56.220 And that's something that obviously we talked about a lot during that case.

00:13:59.280 But in this one, they actually did do the review first.

00:14:01.820 There wasn't a knee jerk.

00:14:02.680 And they said, look, because of course it's all on the closed circuit cameras.

00:14:07.060 I think there were some people in the crowd who had cameras too, right?

00:14:09.700 Yeah.

00:14:09.980 There was video.

00:14:10.600 Yeah.

00:14:10.820 Because I feel like I've seen both.

00:14:12.580 Um, the whole thing's on video.

00:14:14.840 You can all see this.

00:14:15.640 And they say, so he was exonerated right off the bat.

00:14:18.500 They said, look, we looked at this, the whole thing's on tape.

00:14:21.420 We don't need it.

00:14:22.020 I mean, obviously I'm sure they interviewed people, but you almost don't need to because

00:14:25.340 you can see it.

00:14:26.360 Right.

00:14:26.800 So then what happened?

00:14:27.520 So then after that, um, the police department advised him to get out of Omaha.

00:14:35.120 They said, it's not safe for you to be here.

00:14:37.460 They recommended him go to one of the coasts or somewhere just not, not nearby.

00:14:42.920 Um, even advised him to drive to Kansas city and fly out of Kansas city as opposed to flying

00:14:47.880 out of Omaha.

00:14:48.860 Now, why did they say that?

00:14:50.260 Why did they say something so drastic?

00:14:51.860 Because from the moment that happened, as I remember, I remember reading, there's an

00:14:57.840 account called Omaha scanner and they basically just tweet out everything that's going on

00:15:02.100 the police scanner.

00:15:03.060 And as soon as it was reported that there was a shooting downtown during the George Floyd

00:15:09.580 protests, um, everyone, everyone was waiting.

00:15:13.860 And before I even knew it was Jake in my gut, I was just like, please don't let this be an

00:15:19.220 interracial crime because if it is, things are going to blow up. 0.78

00:15:24.760 And the second it came out that Jake was a white man who shot and killed James, who was 0.97

00:15:30.060 a black man.

00:15:31.740 At that point, the court of public opinion decided that he was guilty and the Omaha police

00:15:40.360 department knew just based on the, the community activists on the left that they follow.

00:15:46.500 Um, immediately there were calls to action though, not so much action as protests, riots, whatever

00:15:55.280 the case may be.

00:15:56.340 So over the next seven to 10 days, they all begin protesting outside of Jake's bar.

00:16:06.080 They had to have security there 24 seven because they were afraid people were going to burn the

00:16:12.780 bar down and his apartment across the street.

00:16:15.200 Yeah.

00:16:15.840 So was this a period by the way?

00:16:17.740 And I remember some of this happening in real time where they were trying to say that the,

00:16:21.440 um, the logo of the bar, the hive, right?

00:16:26.040 This was the weirdest.

00:16:27.020 I remember going down the rabbit hole though.

00:16:30.320 They were trying to say that his logo and it was like, it was like, it had like white supremacist

00:16:34.980 symbols with the logo, right?

00:16:36.700 Well, it was, but, but, but they tried to tie it to some white supremacist. 0.69

00:16:40.360 They were trying to like enjoy, did joy read tweeted out?

00:16:43.520 She tweeted out there were everyone tweeted out, um, Megan Hunt, a state legislator in

00:16:49.280 Nebraska tweeted out about, she's crazy. 1.00

00:16:52.240 She's insane. 1.00

00:16:53.700 She's the worst. 1.00

00:16:54.800 She was the absolute worst. 0.94

00:16:56.080 Um, she was tweeting out Cara Eastman, who was a democratic candidate for Congress was 0.66

00:17:01.260 tweeting that Jake Gardner killed this man in cold blood.

00:17:04.300 It was cold blood.

00:17:05.380 Because it wasn't enough to say this happened on video and we can go through that and dissect

00:17:10.940 it and say, Hey, we don't think it was self-defense.

00:17:13.320 No, no, no, no.

00:17:14.020 He overnight, you know, they have to go through the symbol.

00:17:16.900 They do this like numerology, symbology thing and they, they decide he must be, they said

00:17:22.840 he had Nazi tattoos on his, somewhere on his body.

00:17:26.500 Of course.

00:17:27.080 Of course.

00:17:27.300 Don't exist.

00:17:28.240 Yeah.

00:17:28.660 It's yeah.

00:17:29.500 And they find like, is this, I remember there was a guy, um, I think it was a Coast Guard guy

00:17:34.920 and somebody from the, uh, uh, the New Yorker was trying to say, because he had the Malta

00:17:40.680 cross, they were trying to say that it was like an iron cross, Nazi cross.

00:17:44.860 You even had Adam Devine who he's from Omaha, the actor, Adam Devine, and he, he would frequent

00:17:51.040 Jake's bar anytime he came in town and Jake, one of his photos on his social media was him

00:17:57.120 and Adam Devine.

00:17:58.200 So they started going after Adam Devine saying you support a white supremacist.

00:18:02.800 Oh, cause he went to the Nazi bar.

00:18:03.980 Cause he went to the Nazi bar.

00:18:05.300 Right, right, right.

00:18:05.920 And so Adam Devine had to go and basically disavow Jake Gardner and give the whole, you

00:18:11.260 know, stump speech about, Oh, I don't condone white supremacy.

00:18:13.760 And bow to the crowd, um, or to the mob rather.

00:18:18.380 And that's, that's what happened.

00:18:20.180 Yeah.

00:18:20.480 So did 311, the band that he named his bar after.

00:18:23.140 So the Hive is a song that 311, they're a band that actually originated in Omaha, right?

00:18:28.600 I didn't know that.

00:18:29.560 Yeah.

00:18:30.080 And, uh, so have you ever heard the song, um, what's one of their hit songs?

00:18:34.060 Amber?

00:18:34.620 Yeah.

00:18:35.060 No, no.

00:18:35.460 Yeah.

00:18:35.780 Oh, okay.

00:18:36.160 Okay.

00:18:36.540 Okay.

00:18:36.840 Yeah.

00:18:37.540 Um, anyway.

00:18:38.340 So the Hive is one of their songs and that's, he named the bar after their song has a bunch

00:18:46.480 of their like equipment and everything instruments in the bar.

00:18:49.380 So it's literally like a 311 bar.

00:18:51.560 Like a tribute bar.

00:18:52.420 Yes, totally.

00:18:53.460 But that's, yeah.

00:18:54.020 And like a lot, a lot of the bars will do like, um, you know, they'll do like a sports

00:18:57.960 team or, you know, had nothing to do with white supremacy or something.

00:19:02.980 He's like, no, it's, it's a 311 bar.

00:19:04.800 Correct.

00:19:05.400 And the Gatsby, he just loved that era.

00:19:07.740 He loved prohibition.

00:19:08.780 He loved the twenties.

00:19:09.800 He loved, he's just an old soul.

00:19:11.640 And so anyway, people just tried.

00:19:13.680 And Gatsby is clearly also a theme.

00:19:15.000 Right.

00:19:15.340 A theme.

00:19:15.980 Yes.

00:19:16.660 Yeah.

00:19:17.040 So, yeah.

00:19:18.220 And that makes sense.

00:19:18.900 So if you did like a 1920 style New Year's party.

00:19:23.000 Yeah.

00:19:23.020 At the Gatsby.

00:19:23.600 Yeah.

00:19:24.040 Yeah.

00:19:24.580 It just kind of writes itself.

00:19:25.960 Yes.

00:19:26.560 Yes.

00:19:27.000 You know, flapper dress and the dudes are wearing like pinstripes.

00:19:30.320 Yeah.

00:19:30.420 Yeah.

00:19:30.680 Yeah.

00:19:30.780 The little newsboy hats.

00:19:31.860 Yeah.

00:19:32.020 Yeah.

00:19:32.180 Yeah.

00:19:32.300 Exactly.

00:19:32.620 Put my boyfriend in one of those.

00:19:33.320 It was great.

00:19:33.780 Oh, amazing.

00:19:34.600 Amazing.

00:19:35.240 But what I was getting at, um, was 311 kind of did the same thing with Jake.

00:19:39.420 Um, they had did some posts on Instagram, which I don't remember exactly word for word,

00:19:44.280 but that, um, you know, um, that what happened to James Scurlock was, you know, wasn't right

00:19:50.460 and that they don't support racism or anybody, any of their followers that are racist,

00:19:55.660 anything like it was, it was just, so here's a guy who's dedicated his entire bar, put however

00:20:02.880 much money it took to, you know, raise the capital, take out loans for that bar and dedicated

00:20:08.020 it to 311.

00:20:09.380 Yeah.

00:20:09.800 And now, you know, you probably know.

00:20:11.760 And had traveled the country to see them every single year for probably 20 years.

00:20:16.560 Yeah.

00:20:17.220 And now, did they even try to reach out to Jake?

00:20:20.980 No.

00:20:21.200 And to say, hey, you know, we understand you're a big fan.

00:20:24.120 Can we get your side of things?

00:20:26.360 No.

00:20:26.520 Mm-mm.

00:20:27.380 Of course.

00:20:28.020 Of course.

00:20:28.580 No one ever bothered to ask any questions.

00:20:30.660 No.

00:20:31.360 And that's, so what ended up happening then was.

00:20:34.380 So we're in this point where the disavowals are starting, the protests are going on, the

00:20:37.640 cops are saying, you've got to get out because essentially, these people are out for blood.

00:20:42.180 Yes.

00:20:42.340 There are these people in the streets, they're out for blood, they've got your name, they've

00:20:47.020 got your, you know, the name of your bar, location, you said he lives right there anyway.

00:20:50.660 Yes.

00:20:50.920 So he's in that area.

00:20:52.260 Yeah.

00:20:53.440 And then, I mean, even to the point of using a different airport.

00:20:57.240 Yeah.

00:20:57.600 Yeah.

00:20:57.940 Yeah.

00:20:58.100 To that point.

00:20:58.960 Which is, was that like a couple hours between Omaha to Kansas City?

00:21:01.960 Three hours.

00:21:02.380 Three hours, yeah.

00:21:03.140 Yeah.

00:21:03.500 And so even, even his parents, they had to station security outside of his parents' house.

00:21:08.400 His parents.

00:21:08.740 Because people were looking up where his parents lived, where his brother lived.

00:21:11.780 Of course.

00:21:12.120 Yeah.

00:21:12.420 And then when all of these protests are going on, they start protesting outside of Don

00:21:17.520 Klein's home, who was the district attorney at the time.

00:21:20.080 And he said that's the DA.

00:21:20.540 Yep.

00:21:20.940 And he, mind you.

00:21:22.080 So the DA exonerates him, but then this is like Antifa BLM types. 0.92

00:21:27.300 Yes.

00:21:27.620 And they're targeting now the DA at the DA's home.

00:21:30.840 Correct.

00:21:31.100 And the DA at the time was a Democrat.

00:21:34.540 So for whatever that's worth, he.

00:21:39.000 Who exonerated.

00:21:39.700 Who exonerated him.

00:21:40.840 Yeah.

00:21:41.140 Initially.

00:21:41.680 Yes.

00:21:42.400 And so as all these protests are going on, finally, Don Klein says, okay, you know what?

00:21:49.300 I'm confident in my decision, but we'll invite in a grand jury.

00:21:53.700 And I'll appoint a special prosecutor.

00:21:56.600 Totally caved.

00:21:57.460 Totally caved.

00:21:58.400 Totally caved.

00:21:58.960 He sent the knee to the mob and it's hard for me not to harbor a lot of resentment towards

00:22:05.160 him because in my mind, that initial action was what, not his initial action, rather his

00:22:13.240 follow-up action of caving was what really expedited this entire process.

00:22:19.440 And as the grand jury comes in, the special prosecutor that gets appointed, Frederick Franklin,

00:22:26.460 everyone, even Jake's lawyers at the time felt okay about his appointment.

00:22:31.400 He said verbatim that he was a very fair man.

00:22:35.340 And so Jake wasn't really worried.

00:22:38.140 We weren't worried, you know. 0.53

00:22:40.100 Even though he owns a law firm that only employs black lawyers.

00:22:43.260 Which we didn't know till later, but yeah.

00:22:45.760 And so Frederick Franklin gets appointed as the special prosecutor.

00:22:50.800 And from that point on, it became very evident that they had an agenda to push.

00:22:57.000 The investigators on the police department, I have a lot of contacts within the police department. 0.95

00:23:03.280 And they were telling me the people who were appointed to investigate were nothing short of black supremacists. 0.97

00:23:10.000 They were incredibly racist towards white people, towards Asians, towards anyone else, really. 0.96

00:23:18.660 And his business partner even said that it became a case of witness intimidation,

00:23:25.700 where they're going after his partner who's going to testify in this grand jury and harassing him,

00:23:32.380 harassing his family, and trying to influence him to not give his testimony.

00:23:38.520 Did they target you at all in any of this?

00:23:41.980 I didn't have anything like that.

00:23:43.980 I had more, like, just social media warriors coming at me, attacking my business.

00:23:51.880 And that's what I had, yeah.

00:23:54.220 Because they probably, I mean, that's the thing in investigations,

00:23:56.960 that you always kind of assume that the significant other is not going to give you anything you want.

00:24:02.180 Unless it's like, you know, like an ex kind of situation or like a divorcee, that kind of thing.

00:24:08.220 Then, yeah, sure.

00:24:09.560 But, you know, otherwise it's usually like it's just not worth it.

00:24:12.240 Right.

00:24:12.660 Yeah.

00:24:13.520 But so they're going after this.

00:24:15.140 And look, and we've seen the grand jury process.

00:24:17.280 And this has always been the, you know, sort of stereotype, you know, cliche about grand juries,

00:24:23.460 is they'll indict a ham sandwich.

00:24:25.620 So, you know, even if you put this in front of people, because at the end of the day, you know,

00:24:29.600 the grand jury is, and the question there, that's not just, the standard is much lower, by the way,

00:24:36.360 than it is in court.

00:24:37.440 So people understand that.

00:24:38.680 This is not a question about, a grand jury does not decide whether or not you're guilty.

00:24:42.140 A grand jury decides whether or not to bring charges.

00:24:44.780 And so what it exists as is a sort of, a sort of veneer for a DA to say, well, I didn't bring charges.

00:24:53.820 The grand jury brought charges.

00:24:55.980 And so, but the thing is, though, no grand jury is going to sit there and say, well, you just presented us all this evidence.

00:25:03.520 You know, we don't think it should go to trial.

00:25:06.480 What the prosecutor says is, we'd like there to be a trial to determine whether or not this evidence is, you know, warrants a conviction of a crime.

00:25:14.860 So a grand jury usually says, okay, fine, go to trial.

00:25:17.760 Well, and what's crazy is that during this entire grand jury, when his business partner was called to the stand to testify,

00:25:25.120 he's referencing the security footage, the video.

00:25:28.880 Right.

00:25:29.240 And Franklin comes in, no, no, they haven't seen that.

00:25:33.480 The video.

00:25:34.400 Correct.

00:25:34.740 He said they don't need to see that.

00:25:36.900 So the grand jury, which, again, is convened to conduct the investigation, was not actually shown all of the videos that we just talked about.

00:25:44.680 They weren't shown a lot of things.

00:25:46.480 And we've submitted a request for all of the evidence that was given to the grand jury, and we still have not gotten any records released.

00:25:56.620 And from what we've seen.

00:25:58.240 I guarantee that's all sealed.

00:25:59.400 And from what we've seen from Franklin's press conferences and everything, he's blatantly lied multiple times about facts of the case.

00:26:11.920 Yes, yes.

00:26:12.680 And so if he's lying.

00:26:14.180 So Franklin is essentially kind of like the binger in this situation.

00:26:17.820 Yes, exactly.

00:26:18.040 Yeah.

00:26:18.380 Yes.

00:26:18.980 So this is why, you know, again, because we have the Kyle Rittenhouse, we can sort of like go one to one here.

00:26:23.360 So this is the person who says, look, I want to make an example out of this guy.

00:26:27.500 I want to, and by the way, gain political capital, gain clout, maybe, you know, book deals, CNN and MSNBC hits, you know, the nation is going to talk about me.

00:26:40.060 And Andrew Branca, by the way, who does Law of Self-Defense blog, you know, he always points out that in these cases, that if you get an activist prosecutor assigned to it, then who isn't looking at the law, they're thinking of how can I exploit this person?

00:26:55.540 Yes.

00:26:56.040 Right.

00:26:56.440 Who conducted an act of self-defense, well within their rights to do so.

00:27:02.860 Obviously, you know, and I just said this earlier today on the thing that the right to self-defense is an inherent expression of the right to life.

00:27:14.360 So if you believe you have a right to live and that everyone has a right to live, well, then the positive expression of that would be defense of that life.

00:27:21.960 Because if you're not allowed to defend it, then you don't actually have a right to live.

00:27:24.420 Sure.

00:27:24.760 Exactly.

00:27:25.440 That's the way that works.

00:27:26.360 That's the way you actually pull that through.

00:27:27.460 So that's where the right to self-defense comes from.

00:27:30.500 But that being said, you know, these prosecutors realize that especially and like you said, if it is a case that involves, you know, cross-racial and you've got one victim and it fits the narrative, then of course they realize that they can ride that to fame and fortune.

00:27:48.500 And even if, even if, and this is totally Branca's credit, you know, because he's explained this so well so many times, even if the case fails, they can still get political clout and political capital out of this.

00:28:02.220 And so what if they just had to destroy somebody's life?

00:28:04.840 Right.

00:28:05.040 Exactly.

00:28:05.460 Exactly.

00:28:07.260 So what happens next?

00:28:08.460 So.

00:28:09.160 Which I think, I think if anyone's paying attention, they probably know at this point.

00:28:11.860 Yeah.

00:28:12.180 So at that point, the grand jury decided to indict him on four different charges.

00:28:19.580 And this happened, it was released on September 14th.

00:28:24.760 So during this entire time.

00:28:26.320 Of 20.

00:28:26.800 Yes.

00:28:27.100 Of 2020.

00:28:27.920 During this entire time, May to September, Jake was in Oregon, staying with one of his friends.

00:28:34.780 Super low key.

00:28:35.900 So he did actually take the advice.

00:28:37.280 He did.

00:28:37.760 He left Omaha, went to Oregon, stayed there up until the charges were announced.

00:28:46.140 And at that point was when, what day was that?

00:28:50.700 That was the 14th.

00:28:51.920 And on September 20th, Jake committed suicide.

00:28:57.560 In Oregon.

00:28:58.320 In Oregon.

00:28:59.000 Wow.

00:28:59.420 Mm-hmm.

00:29:00.240 Because he, I don't know if it's because he thought that he felt like he couldn't win.

00:29:06.060 I don't know if it's because he didn't want to drag his family and Dana and all of his friends and loved ones through that.

00:29:16.440 None of us really know because we didn't have the opportunity to talk to him about it.

00:29:21.880 We didn't, it was just something that we never thought was in the realm of possibilities of what he would have done.

00:29:27.600 And I know I tell Dana all the time, I wish, I wish he would have known the army he had behind him because we were willing to go to war for him.

00:29:35.980 We were willing to fight for him.

00:29:37.100 Obviously, like you said, like I would talk to anyone and everyone that would listen.

00:29:42.520 Cassandra Fairbanks did an amazing job in the very beginning reporting this initially and getting the story out there.

00:29:49.300 Obviously, you, Tim Pool, so many people really were talking about it.

00:29:53.420 And even Tucker Carlson picked it up, which really helped garner a lot of support for him almost.

00:30:01.180 Kind of similarly to Kyle, who he said, in the beginning, you don't really know all of the support that's out there.

00:30:08.000 But then once your story gets out more, there's a lot of hate.

00:30:11.040 But there's also so much support that comes with it.

00:30:13.420 Right.

00:30:13.700 And what people, I think, don't even realize going on the timeline, this actually happened, this incident was prior to the Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:30:19.380 Because, Kyle, that wasn't until the end, way, way later, end of August, is when that happened.

00:30:24.380 So this was, what, three months prior to all of that.

00:30:27.440 Before, yep.

00:30:28.600 So at that point, really, the family and myself and Dana and a couple of our really close friends with Jake have been trying to push for any type of justice, whatever that looks like.

00:30:46.300 I know we filed a lawsuit, a wrongful death lawsuit against Franklin and I even believe Don Klein's office just for that action of caving to the mob, inviting the grand jury, falsifying evidence, witness intimidation, like the list goes on.

00:31:03.720 And we're just trying to raise awareness to the fact that even though Kyle won, and thank God he did, the right to self-defense is still under attack.

00:31:16.480 And it's still very much an issue that needs to be consistently fought for.

00:31:21.860 And they're, just because Kyle won, they're not going to stop.

00:31:26.360 That doesn't win the battle, not the war, right?

00:31:29.600 But do you think, and, well, let me ask you this, do you think that Kyle being exonerated, and even though, of course, he's exonerated, he's still like kind of like quasi-canceled, right?

00:31:42.780 You know, ASU was protesting him, though I will say, though, even though ASU held a protest against him, I don't know if you guys saw the video, but Turning Point and the local conservative chapters of other groups all came out, I think Yao came out as well, to shout down the people protesting Kyle Rittenhouse, basically saying if he wants to come out, he can come out.

00:32:02.860 So there are still people trying to cancel him, but when you saw that exoneration, did you feel that it kind of emotionally had some resonance with what happened to Jake?

00:32:13.100 I did, and her and I even had talked about it.

00:32:14.860 Yeah, it was just, I just remember saying, like, I just wish he would have held on, I wish he would have waited, you know, because I think at the time it was just so hard to see that, you know, he could have gotten out of this, you know,

00:32:31.660 that he had the support and I think the emotions and just, he was just going through a lot, the stress, everything, it was just, because I had talked to him even the day that he died, and it was just, I had never seen Jake like that before.

00:32:51.240 And what people don't realize is that, like, he's a war veteran, too, he was dealing with...

00:32:56.180 I was going to say, we should bring it up.

00:32:58.020 Yeah, he was dealing with, like, a traumatic brain injury, he was still dealing with, like, PTSD, and that night, similar to Kyle again, like, that night...

00:33:07.600 What was his injury where he served?

00:33:09.640 He served in the Marine Corps from November 2000 till 2004.

00:33:17.260 He was one of the first units to invade Iraq, and he is part of one of, his unit was, like, one of the most decorated Marine Corps units.

00:33:26.620 And those early, you know, those early operations in Iraq, that was some of the fiercest stuff, because that was still when you had fully constituted Iraqi army that he was facing off again.

00:33:35.840 So that's mill-to-mill, you know, conflict, and that's real, real stuff.

00:33:41.340 This is, you know, kind of prior to, you know, I guess what they, what do they call it later, the insurgency, et cetera.

00:33:46.680 This is straight-on military conflict.

00:33:48.840 Well, and Dana even said there's video of him over there when he was first there, and he says, you know, I'm glad to be here, I'm glad to be fighting for my country, but I don't want to kill anyone.

00:33:58.820 Yeah.

00:33:59.280 Wow.

00:34:00.080 And that was something that they tried to use against him.

00:34:03.220 Yeah.

00:34:03.800 His military service.

00:34:05.220 Oh, right, of course.

00:34:06.560 Yeah.

00:34:07.200 Yeah.

00:34:07.840 I was going to say, how would you use a comment like that against him?

00:34:10.200 I'm guessing this is another one of those comments that they didn't show the grand jury.

00:34:12.940 Yeah, no, of course not.

00:34:13.820 Well, they tried using that against him, too, because of his Facebook post, too.

00:34:16.700 He made a Facebook post that said something along the lines of, gotta love when you have to conduct a firewatch.

00:34:25.360 A military-style firewatch.

00:34:26.700 A military-style firewatch.

00:34:28.120 To protect your business.

00:34:29.160 Yep.

00:34:29.480 Yeah.

00:34:29.900 And they took that.

00:34:31.220 Oh, I remember this.

00:34:32.300 Yeah.

00:34:32.480 So, for people who haven't served, a firewatch, I don't know, it might sound strange to you,

00:34:39.020 it might sound like a strange term.

00:34:40.440 It literally means standing watch overnight, and you're not only checking for fires, but

00:34:47.040 you're just checking to see if anything, you know, bad goes wrong.

00:34:51.380 Right.

00:34:51.680 And, you know, I was a Navy officer, and on ship, that's what you say, you call it firewatch.

00:34:56.640 Yes.

00:34:56.900 I'm saying firewatch, I'm just on firewatch, and you might have, you know, different shifts

00:35:02.220 and things.

00:35:03.300 But it's a very, very, extremely common term, right, across all branches.

00:35:08.500 Yep.

00:35:08.900 You know, and of course, you know, Marines and Navy are similar, so we have a lot of that

00:35:12.560 same terminology from the Navy, and the Marines are sort of shared because of that.

00:35:16.440 Yeah.

00:35:17.580 Yeah. 0.93

00:35:17.980 But they tried to say firewatch meant, like, I'm going to shoot somebody.

00:35:22.900 Correct. 0.99

00:35:23.400 I'm going to fire a gun.

00:35:24.820 Well, Fred Flankin flat out said from that post that he took that as Jake was basically 0.98

00:35:32.140 waiting in his bar to shoot a brother up.

00:35:35.480 Yep. 0.99

00:35:35.840 Exact quote.

00:35:36.840 Exact quote.

00:35:37.540 Also, of course, they had to bring in, you know, because Jake worked on the Trump campaign,

00:35:43.360 and Trump said, when the looting starts, the shooting starts.

00:35:46.880 Right.

00:35:47.040 So they're going to bring up any statement.

00:35:48.180 So they bring up that.

00:35:49.480 They brought up.

00:35:50.600 By the way, you can do this to anybody, right?

00:35:52.660 Mm-hmm.

00:35:52.840 You could actually, you can take anybody and go through their social media posts and decide

00:35:58.380 to turn them into any angle you want.

00:36:00.640 Oh, he just destroyed him just for being a Trump supporter, which had absolutely nothing

00:36:05.580 to do with anything that happened, right?

00:36:08.320 But he used that against him as well. 1.00

00:36:11.120 He was a racist, white supremacist. 0.98

00:36:12.880 Oh, they loved to use that he was, like, a transphobic bigot because there was a point 0.99

00:36:18.120 in time at his bar where in the women's restroom, a man dressed as a woman came in, assaulted

00:36:27.140 a woman to the point she had to go to the hospital, and Jake made a blanket policy that, 0.87

00:36:33.780 sorry, that's not allowed.

00:36:35.280 You have to go into the bathroom that corresponds with your...

00:36:40.660 Yeah.

00:36:41.720 With your plumbing.

00:36:42.760 Which wasn't out of character for Jake because Jake was, like, all about safety in his bar.

00:36:48.020 Like, that's the biggest thing.

00:36:49.120 Like, he wanted everybody to feel safe and be safe.

00:36:51.480 And so I remember that night that that happened, and he was, like, up all night distraught over

00:36:55.680 it because somebody got hurt in his bar.

00:36:57.360 He even had posters in his bar bathrooms, in the women's room specifically, that said,

00:37:02.100 if you're on a date and you feel uncomfortable, ask for an angel shot.

00:37:07.740 And that will be a code to the bartender that you need help out of the situation you're in.

00:37:12.620 Yeah, really?

00:37:13.000 Yeah.

00:37:13.720 So they try, of course, like they do with everyone, they try and paint him as this awful person

00:37:19.460 who was hell-bent on shooting a brother up.

00:37:23.300 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 The dress code?

00:37:24.740 Oh, he had a very strict dress code, which they also used against him, too, because he

00:37:29.200 just, he had a nice place.

00:37:30.500 It was, you know, craft cocktails.

00:37:32.240 Like, it was just a fancier, you know, upscale bar.

00:37:34.680 And so he didn't allow people in that had, like, pants down to their ankles or hats on

00:37:41.240 or flip-flops.

00:37:42.080 I mean, it was just a very, like, dress nice.

00:37:43.760 But he wouldn't let his friends in.

00:37:45.340 He was going for a certain, you know, clientele.

00:37:48.280 Right, right.

00:37:48.920 But, I mean, people, you know, would use that against him. 0.61

00:37:52.460 Like, he was a racist because he wouldn't let somebody in, like a black guy in, that 0.82

00:37:56.480 had a hat on. 0.96

00:37:57.700 He'd say, can you please take your hat off and then you can come in.

00:37:59.840 Well, then he was a racist because he was asked to take his hat off and then wasn't allowed

00:38:03.640 in if he didn't do that.

00:38:04.620 Pretty sure I've seen white people wearing hats.

00:38:06.240 Right.

00:38:06.640 In my, I would have to go back and check, but I'm fairly certain.

00:38:09.680 You're right.

00:38:10.260 Yeah.

00:38:10.720 Well, and he held all of his friends, family, whomever, to the same standard.

00:38:14.520 To the same standard.

00:38:15.520 So he wasn't being discriminatory in a negative sense.

00:38:19.360 It was equal playing field.

00:38:22.300 No, again, you can do this to anybody.

00:38:26.120 Right.

00:38:26.380 You can twist statements.

00:38:28.660 And I've always said this, that, you know, sort of like the, it's like the racism industrial

00:38:33.340 complex has a supply and demand issue.

00:38:35.960 Yeah.

00:38:36.180 Because they are demanding that, you know, we live in this country full of systemic racism.

00:38:42.020 And I remember when they tried to turn Covington Catholic, right, it wasn't enough for them 0.97

00:38:46.820 to say that Nick Salmon was, you know, a racist.

00:38:50.260 It had to be the entire school had to become like this Nazi training academy, you know, in 0.76

00:38:57.860 Kentucky, right?

00:38:59.260 Right.

00:38:59.880 You know, on, on the river that, you know, apparently had just escaped everyone's notice.

00:39:04.780 And I remember they were, you know, they were going through like yearbook photos and yearbook

00:39:10.000 quotes to find anything that would fit their narrative.

00:39:14.540 And that's exactly what they did.

00:39:15.600 Or they could twist a little bit to fit into that narrative.

00:39:17.920 And it's the same thing they did to Jake.

00:39:19.320 And it's the same thing they do to, you know, really all of us, anybody who they've decided

00:39:23.620 to target to say, oh, well, this, this thing is actually related to that thing, which is

00:39:28.220 related to this thing.

00:39:29.080 And therefore Nazi. 0.74

00:39:30.640 Yeah.

00:39:31.360 Well, and that's, that's exactly what Fred Franklin did in his presentation of the quote

00:39:36.800 evidence.

00:39:37.220 So how is, um, how's Jake's family doing?

00:39:42.700 Um, I mean, you know, not good, not good.

00:39:46.940 I mean, they're, they're, they're, um, just taking it day by day and, you know, they, um,

00:39:52.460 are really blessed to have a lot of support, you know, and, um, they actually had to move

00:39:58.280 out of Omaha because of all this stuff going on.

00:40:01.620 So, um, yeah, just to stay safe and get out of it.

00:40:05.840 So, um, but they're, they're hanging in there, you know, um, it's still a struggle.

00:40:10.380 I think it's always going to be a struggle, um, especially, uh, you know, just going through

00:40:15.520 the, the lawsuit and, um, the rest of their family is in Omaha.

00:40:20.600 So it's just hard, I think too.

00:40:22.940 Do you, um, you know, I just realized I can probably facilitate if, if they'd ever be interested

00:40:28.720 in maybe even, um, talking with like Kyle Rittenhouse or his family or, you know, if

00:40:33.860 you ever wanted to talk to him or something, we could probably put that together because

00:40:38.460 I imagine that, um, obviously different situations, but similar in so many ways, you know, I think

00:40:46.320 we can probably, not like, you know, on the podcast or anything, but, um, and of course

00:40:51.600 the shortening point cameras will be there with promo code posts.

00:40:55.360 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:40:57.160 I mean, but if, you know, we'll talk offline, but if, if you're ever interested or you guys

00:41:01.580 think that would be interesting to do just to have a sit down and kind of talk through

00:41:05.280 some of this stuff, because I know he's mentioned that, and they, they've said it publicly that

00:41:08.860 even Kyle, um, is in, because think of it, right?

00:41:12.420 He had PTSD.

00:41:14.320 No, no, Kyle never served in the military.

00:41:15.920 He wasn't a Marine.

00:41:17.440 Um, he wanted to be a police officer at one point and, but he had PTSD from that event.

00:41:23.880 Sure.

00:41:24.280 Now you've got Jake, who's already a combat vet, who's already coming out with, with trauma

00:41:29.860 from that, plus the newfound trauma of having to live through this event.

00:41:35.580 And I don't think people realize this as much that when you're in a situation where you

00:41:40.460 literally are faced with, you know, having to conduct that kind of action to protect your

00:41:46.760 own life or else, you know, you're going to be done for, you're going to be destroyed that

00:41:51.820 that is extremely traumatic to anybody at any age, regardless of your background.

00:41:56.580 And so I don't know.

00:41:58.160 And, you know, you said before you were talking to him that day and I don't think anybody

00:42:04.520 can really, and I, you know, I've read about it.

00:42:06.960 I've, I've met with, you know, I know so many people who've gone through PTSD, who live with

00:42:10.700 PTSD and I don't think unless you've ever been through it yourself.

00:42:14.700 And even though how many, however many guys I talked to about it, you don't know what

00:42:18.840 it's like until you've been there.

00:42:19.940 You have no idea what it's like until you've been there.

00:42:22.640 And so in terms of that kind of closure, and I think that, you know, we look at veteran

00:42:29.280 suicide in this country is, you know, and it's, we talk about it like some statistic, you

00:42:34.660 know, 22 a day, 25 a day.

00:42:36.260 And they act like, oh, well, too bad, you know, that's, sorry for them, just how it

00:42:42.500 is.

00:42:42.900 Yeah.

00:42:43.240 But we have this great military and they're all doing great.

00:42:46.100 And so what if people are, you know, you know, becoming statistics, but I think one

00:42:50.860 thing that you guys have done, and I think it's, it's so brave, by the way, that you

00:42:55.460 are both coming on and being so willing and courageous for Jake that even after all of

00:43:02.000 this, that you're not letting him just be some statistic and you're not letting

00:43:06.120 his story just become what they want it to be.

00:43:09.360 Right.

00:43:09.860 Because I'm sure, I'm sure for them it's, ah, right.

00:43:13.400 Yeah.

00:43:13.560 We were right.

00:43:14.560 Right.

00:43:14.840 We told you that this guy was bad and he knew he would be found guilty and, you know, all

00:43:20.660 the rest of it.

00:43:21.680 And, you know, that's clearly not what was going on.

00:43:25.920 And so I do hope that, you know, in some way Jake knows that you guys are out here and

00:43:31.220 that you're fighting for him and that you haven't quit on him and that you are still fighting

00:43:34.920 for him and you just have to pray.

00:43:36.980 You just have to pray for him.

00:43:38.060 And that's, that's for me as a believer.

00:43:39.860 Sure.

00:43:40.640 You know, and, and that, I, I don't know, that's above my pay grade or it's above my pay

00:43:45.620 grade how God looks at those situations.

00:43:48.080 But I hope that, you know, I have, I have to imagine he takes it all into consideration.

00:43:52.600 Yeah.

00:43:53.400 Yep.

00:43:54.160 And so what, so for you guys, you know, cause we are getting towards the time.

00:43:58.540 Is there, do you have a website or anything set up where I could, you know, drive people

00:44:04.920 want to support your, what you're doing, support this kind of work?

00:44:07.000 Yes.

00:44:07.360 So we are actively working on setting up a website right now.

00:44:11.800 It will most likely be justiceforjakeg.com.

00:44:16.780 If you follow nebraskafreedom.org, I will push everything out through there as well so

00:44:22.380 that it's easily accessible in the event that the name changes or anything.

00:44:26.020 Um, we are working on trying to find a, whether it be a third party source or straight through

00:44:33.020 the website, trying to get something set up for legal funds.

00:44:36.060 I know we had multiple GoFundMes that of course just magically get taken down.

00:44:42.220 You gotta go give send go.

00:44:42.740 Just don't even, if you're on the right side of the aisle or even just a patriot or a Christian,

00:44:47.760 just, just give send go.

00:44:48.820 Just don't even, don't even think about it.

00:44:50.200 And I've heard, I've been recommended that one.

00:44:52.040 Yeah, don't even think about it.

00:44:53.020 So we, yes, we will be setting up a give send go justice for Jake Gardner.

00:44:58.320 Um, we're working through a lawsuit right now, um, a wrongful death lawsuit.

00:45:03.900 And actually John Pierce is one of the attorneys on that.

00:45:07.700 So one of Kyle Rittenhouse's former, I believe lawyers.

00:45:11.740 Um, but really, yeah, just trying to raise as much awareness as we can, giving the family

00:45:17.780 as much support, whether it be emotionally, monetarily, whatever the case, because

00:45:22.740 we all know these things get very expensive, very quickly.

00:45:26.520 Um, and just trying to hold people accountable is, is really what we're trying to do here.

00:45:32.900 Obviously nothing we can do is going to bring Jake back, but hopefully something we can do

00:45:38.720 will prevent another instance like this in the future.

00:45:42.700 So that's, that's really what we're, what we're pushing towards.

00:45:46.700 Um, just making sure that we can honor his memory.

00:45:49.640 Thankfully, he was buried at Arlington National Cemetery on July 8th of this year, actually,

00:45:56.000 just in 2021.

00:45:57.920 So it took probably almost, almost a year to get all of that set up.

00:46:03.100 Um, we wanted, wanted him to be in Omaha, but the police department, everyone else pretty

00:46:09.980 much recommended that Jake wanted to be in Arlington.

00:46:12.860 Yeah.

00:46:13.040 Jake wanted to be in Arlington and that nothing, nothing that we would have set up in Omaha

00:46:16.840 would be safe.

00:46:17.740 He told his mom the night before, um, that if he, the night before he, he was supposed

00:46:23.380 to turn himself in on the day that he died, fly back to turn himself in, in Omaha.

00:46:28.280 And he told his mom the night before that if something happens on the airplane or if

00:46:32.460 the plane crashes or something like that, I want to be cremated and I want to be buried

00:46:36.160 in Arlington.

00:46:37.760 He actually said that.

00:46:39.100 Mm-hmm.

00:46:40.540 Wow.

00:46:40.960 And I'm, and I'm sure that she, you know, heard that and at the time had no clue.

00:46:45.140 Right.

00:46:45.400 Right.

00:46:45.680 It's just something you say, you know, something you say, but.

00:46:48.800 Yep.

00:46:49.420 Yep.

00:46:49.840 Well, and that was the thing was he, he, he, he knew.

00:46:53.100 He knew.

00:46:53.560 None of us knew, but he knew.

00:46:54.780 The second that indictment came out, I think Jake knew.

00:46:57.240 Made the decision.

00:46:58.560 Mm-hmm.

00:47:00.020 Yeah.

00:47:00.560 Do you think he just didn't want everyone to have to go through that?

00:47:03.800 Because it's, it sounds to me like he's the kind of guy who didn't necessarily put himself

00:47:09.520 first that it seemed like family.

00:47:12.980 Yes.

00:47:13.160 You guys have shared so many great stories.

00:47:15.240 Yes.

00:47:15.380 You're always talking about how he cares about people, stayed up overnight.

00:47:18.280 Yep.

00:47:18.760 He, um, yeah, absolutely.

00:47:20.500 I think he didn't want his loved ones, his parents, um, to go through that.

00:47:25.200 And I think, um, Jake believed that he didn't stand a chance.

00:47:29.360 He had gotten like 5,000 death threats over the summer on his cell phone.

00:47:33.520 And I think he thought once that indictment came out, there's no way, there's no way I'm

00:47:39.340 going to get out of this.

00:47:40.220 So, yeah.

00:47:42.320 But the truth is, we are here.

00:47:47.560 Mm-hmm.

00:47:47.800 We are here today.

00:47:48.900 You're here today.

00:47:50.060 Mm-hmm.

00:47:50.300 You're both here today.

00:47:51.420 We do have the ability to get the truth out.

00:47:53.560 We do have the ability to get the narrative out.

00:47:55.420 And to anybody else who's out there that is in a situation where you're facing wrongful

00:48:00.520 accusations and you feel like there's nowhere to turn, just understand, we, we will help

00:48:07.980 you.

00:48:08.260 I will help you.

00:48:09.280 I'll get, I mean, we will find a Malia and Dana for you to help you. 0.51

00:48:13.640 Like, you can get this kind of help and, you know, I don't, and, and that's the thing

00:48:19.040 is like, you know, they do have hotlines and things out there, but I don't know if they

00:48:23.000 deal with these types of situations.

00:48:24.700 So find any way to get ahold of us.

00:48:27.280 Me personally, like I will be on the phone with you.

00:48:29.660 Like, this is not something that, you know, Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:48:34.580 Yeah.

00:48:34.880 Right.

00:48:35.500 It worked.

00:48:36.380 Yeah.

00:48:36.600 We can make it work again.

00:48:37.460 But what, um, if you had a message to anybody else who's facing that kind of situation, what

00:48:43.440 would it, what would it be?

00:48:45.280 Oh gosh.

00:48:46.460 Put me on the spot.

00:48:47.460 I am pretty on the spot.

00:48:48.420 Okay.

00:48:49.080 It's my job.

00:48:50.500 Man.

00:48:50.920 I think I would just say, um, I mean that not, not necessarily, maybe not necessarily

00:48:56.800 charges, but just that onslaught of anger and hate.

00:49:02.160 I call them swarm attacks, right?

00:49:03.840 For me, it's, it's a swarm attack and it's, it's like the first three times my name trended

00:49:07.320 on Twitter is because of swarm attacks and it's all lies.

00:49:10.220 It's just, it's just, and James Lindsay has to think it's a false reality attack.

00:49:13.720 I think that's exactly what I would say.

00:49:13.740 Just what you said.

00:49:14.580 Like, it's, it's not the truth.

00:49:16.580 It's not the truth.

00:49:17.500 And it's, I mean, we tried so many times just to get him to like shut his phone off.

00:49:21.960 Like, don't read it because it's not accurate information.

00:49:24.240 Like, you know, it's not, we all know it's not, you know?

00:49:26.480 So I think, um, I would just, I would just encourage people to just surround yourself

00:49:30.580 with people that, um, that, uh, support you, that know the truth, that can continue to encourage

00:49:36.320 you, you know, uh, in those situations and, and yeah.

00:49:41.000 I always tell my wife, the first rule of social media is don't read the comments.

00:49:44.340 Yeah.

00:49:45.180 Yeah.

00:49:46.380 I've been coaching Dana on that.

00:49:48.020 Don't read.

00:49:48.520 Oh, there's actually, there's actually a way to set up.

00:49:50.640 If you're on Twitter, um, you can set it up to, and this is how I run it because, you

00:49:55.360 know, and I've got a big account there, but you can set it up where you mute, auto mute,

00:49:59.920 um, people who have like, if they haven't put in, uh, if they don't follow you, that's,

00:50:05.620 that's the biggest one for me.

00:50:06.640 You can also auto mute for other things.

00:50:09.160 You can mute certain words.

00:50:10.480 And so you can actually craft it into such a way where pretty much the only response you're

00:50:16.720 going to see is like someone who's basically on your side.

00:50:19.460 Yeah.

00:50:19.560 Um, which is funny for me because I, I do have it set it up that I don't see anyone's

00:50:24.000 comments if they don't follow me.

00:50:25.180 So sometimes there's been situations where like some like big celeb or like big account

00:50:30.500 is coming at me and I'm not, I have that auto muted.

00:50:35.640 So I just don't even know.

00:50:37.000 And then someone will tell me like, Hey man, Seth Rogen's coming after you again.

00:50:41.120 I'm like, Oh, all right.

00:50:43.580 I'm with Tanya.

00:50:44.900 Like, is it, is it anything interesting?

00:50:48.020 Like, Oh, okay.

00:50:48.600 Maybe I'll respond to you.

00:50:49.440 Yeah.

00:50:49.940 But it, it, it is a way like you gotta just don't lock in, right?

00:50:54.760 Don't lock into that world because that's what they want to do is they want to drag you

00:50:58.600 down.

00:50:58.980 And I say this before that, you know, evil cannot create evil can only corrupt.

00:51:02.820 Right.

00:51:03.180 And so they want to take something good and something true and turn it into something evil.

00:51:09.040 Right.

00:51:09.540 And something that, you know, something like someone fighting for their life and then overcoming

00:51:13.800 odds and winning and winning that ability to, you know, continue to live is the essence

00:51:23.220 of good, right?

00:51:24.120 The essence, the, the, the, the actual essence of good, the core of good.

00:51:27.040 But at the same time for anyone to come and try to corrupt that and then twist that, that

00:51:32.380 is the essence of evil because their, their ability to corrupt, they don't have the ability

00:51:35.480 to create.

00:51:35.980 And so at the same time though, you, you, you have to see that for what, and it's hard.

00:51:41.000 It's so hard because we as humans, we're designed to focus on threats.

00:51:45.380 We're focused on targets.

00:51:47.020 We take energy that's coming at us, but you have to just say, I'm not accepting it.

00:51:51.060 Yeah.

00:51:51.340 Right.

00:51:51.560 I'm an unplug and, and just surround yourself, like go put on your favorite movie and go be

00:51:58.560 with your loved ones and, you know, take your dog for a walk, whatever it is.

00:52:04.020 Right.

00:52:04.420 But yeah, it's, it's social media is kind of horrible in these ways.

00:52:09.340 It is horrible.

00:52:09.980 And I think that as a society, we haven't quite got to the point where we know how to

00:52:15.120 deal with it properly, how it affects us.

00:52:17.920 Um, and especially for people who are going through trauma, but, um, just to kind of wrap

00:52:22.600 up, thank you.

00:52:23.500 Yeah.

00:52:23.720 Really.

00:52:23.960 Thank you for being here.

00:52:25.140 Thank you.

00:52:25.640 Have either of you guys ever done any like interview like this before?

00:52:29.380 I haven't.

00:52:30.300 Tell the whole story.

00:52:31.000 I'm sure she has.

00:52:31.560 I have not.

00:52:31.960 Um, not, not long form, but I, I have talked about it extensively with like local media

00:52:38.120 with, um, cause this, this is amazing.

00:52:40.660 This is absolutely amazing.

00:52:41.800 And just, just thank you.

00:52:43.340 And I'm sure, you know, I hope please share this with, um, you know, with this family and

00:52:48.240 friends and just, just know that.

00:52:50.360 And when, when you get the link set up, you know, I'm going to post them all and get them

00:52:54.140 all out there and get this out there.

00:52:55.500 And, um, do you guys want any, you know, from anything else, people follow you personally

00:53:00.000 or, you know, or think it's, you know, if you want to follow me at Malia Shirley, you

00:53:04.540 are a pretty good follower. 1.00

00:53:05.580 And I say that because you post the shit all the time. 1.00

00:53:08.060 I do. 0.99

00:53:08.540 I, I don't, I don't think of myself as like any type of account to follow.

00:53:12.140 I pretty much just post as my own form of like therapy to cope with all of the, with

00:53:18.140 all of the insane, insane things going on.

00:53:21.000 Um, but if, if you're in the Nebraska area, I am, I will keep you updated on all of the

00:53:26.940 And you do events in Nebraska, right?

00:53:27.980 Yep.

00:53:28.180 Yep.

00:53:28.360 We do events.

00:53:29.020 I know we're going to bring you out for an event.

00:53:30.640 All right.

00:53:31.140 We'll go.

00:53:31.460 We have to see the zoo, right?

00:53:32.660 Yes.

00:53:33.020 Yes.

00:53:33.420 Yes.

00:53:33.740 Exactly.

00:53:34.140 All right.

00:53:34.920 Let's see if the zoo lives up to expectations.

00:53:39.240 It's going to exceed.

00:53:39.720 It'll surpass.

00:53:40.640 Yes.

00:53:41.020 She's literally telling me the zoo is better than San Diego.

00:53:43.760 It is.

00:53:44.320 I mean, Sandy, I mean, okay.

00:53:45.920 Henry Darley zoo.

00:53:47.220 It is.

00:53:47.520 Okay.

00:53:47.840 In Omaha.

00:53:48.760 All right.

00:53:49.020 We're going to check it out.

00:53:49.920 All right.

00:53:50.120 Next time we'll all be together.

00:53:51.880 The Omaha zoo.

00:53:53.240 Thank you so much.

00:53:54.060 Malia, Dana, God bless both of you.

00:53:56.000 I'm going to pray for both of you tonight.

00:53:58.140 And thank you so much for being here, sharing the story, sharing Jake's story, sharing your

00:54:02.360 story with us.

00:54:04.120 And I think this is really powerful stuff.

00:54:06.000 Thank you.

00:54:06.300 This is a very special episode.

00:54:07.720 Thank you.

00:54:08.160 Thank you.

00:54:08.560 God bless to both of you.

00:54:09.540 And everybody out there, as always, ladies and gentlemen, you have my permission to lay

00:54:14.640 ashore.

00:54:14.900 Thank you.

00:54:14.960 We'll be right back.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 30, 2021

EXCLUSIVE： THE JAKE GARDNER STORY REVEALED

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