Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - FBI Raids Somali Fraud Centers, Sen Hawley Demands Answers on Assassinations, Manifesto

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00:00:47.640 and former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:52.500 Christ is King. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:00:59.380 We're here live on Real America's Voice. Today's April 28th, Anno Domini, and we are here,

00:01:05.860 2026, Anno Domini, and we are here joined today by Senator Josh Hawley. Senator, how are you?

00:01:11.660 I'm doing great. Thank you for having me, Jack. Well, I've just reviewed,

00:01:15.920 and Human Events has this open letter that you've put out earlier today regarding the

00:01:22.000 White House Correspondents Dinner, your call for an investigation into what went on here.

00:01:28.340 Tell us your thoughts regarding this situation. Well, I think we need to know exactly what

00:01:33.680 happened, what the security protocols were, what was followed, what wasn't. And we also need to

00:01:38.040 know in light of what happened in Butler, what happened in the fall of 2024, this is the third

00:01:43.060 attempted assassination on the life of the president in the last two years. I mean, that's

00:01:47.040 a pretty extraordinary number. And I can tell you, Jack, having talked to Secret Service whistleblowers

00:01:51.760 for years now who have come forward to me and talked about what happened in that agency in

00:01:56.780 the Biden years, what happened with the second assassination attempt on Trump, the sort of

00:02:02.000 reforms that needed to be made. I think that the American public deserves a full accounting

00:02:06.200 of what is going on at our security agencies. Have the changes been implemented that should

00:02:11.540 have been after Butler and after the second attempt on Trump's life? And what's going on

00:02:16.160 now internally? I think we need to know. I think the American people deserve full and total

00:02:20.180 transparency. I'm not sure, frankly, they've ever gotten it on Butler. I think we need to get it

00:02:24.780 here. Well, I certainly agree with you. I actually wrote the first book on the Butler assassination

00:02:30.580 attempt, the bulletproof, and then, of course, we got into the second attempt as the book was

00:02:37.160 almost published. We had to sort of actually call halt the presses, which I found out costs a lot

00:02:41.200 of money because you actually have to reprint covers. But we were happy to do it, and our

00:02:47.700 publisher was able to do so because unfortunately the violence has gotten so strong. But I remember

00:02:51.800 one of the big key takeaways there, lack of communication, lack of coordination, lack of

00:02:56.780 planning. And you had a, an agent that was put in charge who had only graduated a few years before

00:03:03.840 from FLETC, which is the federal law enforcement training center down in, uh, in Brunswick,

00:03:09.340 Georgia, someone who just simply wasn't ready to maintain the task of a president, or in this case,

00:03:16.300 a former president who has a higher degree of threat than any president we've seen in recent

00:03:22.640 history. Yeah, I still remember when a Secret Service whistleblower came to me and told me that

00:03:28.180 in the days following Butler. And at first I was like, this just can't be right. I mean, surely

00:03:32.120 that person would never be put in charge. Surely they would have fully staffed what was, of course,

00:03:38.060 a Butler, an outdoor rally. It was very complicated to secure. Surely they were sending the A-team,

00:03:42.280 The answer was no. I remember talking to local law enforcement. I went myself to Butler. I talked

00:03:47.480 personally with local law enforcement who told me they did not get any coordination from the

00:03:51.840 Secret Service at the time. Obviously, this is the Biden Secret Service. They were not looped in.

00:03:56.880 I was on the roof myself of that building. I talked to the local agents who were supposed

00:04:01.540 to be there and staffing it. They were told that they were supposed to stand down. My point is this,

00:04:05.980 there were all kinds of shortcomings. We saw it, obviously, in real time. It was just a miracle of

00:04:11.400 God that the president lived. I think we need to know, have those shortcomings been addressed?

00:04:16.680 Is the Secret Service getting the resources it needs? Has it had the reforms made that were

00:04:21.480 needed? And the other thing is interagency cooperation. And we saw Butler, there was

00:04:25.780 terrible coordination between the Secret Service and other agencies. I was told in the aftermath

00:04:30.480 of that that the Secret Service was having to rely on agents from Homeland Security who were

00:04:35.420 probably very good agents, but not trained at all to do personnel security. I think we need to know

00:04:41.820 in light of the events over the weekend, is that still happening? In other words, is Secret Service

00:04:45.720 getting the agents they need? Are they getting the cooperation they need? What is going on? And

00:04:50.540 are we really keeping the president and the cabinet secure? Sure didn't look like it on Saturday

00:04:55.020 night. Senator, I have to ask, you know, just something that struck me from having visited as

00:05:00.680 well you said you were on that roof that you know it one thing that struck me going to butler the

00:05:06.080 first time was and i wasn't at the original rally but it's not a big area it looks larger on some

00:05:12.180 of the photos the way it's set up it's not a large area that roof being unsecured i mean this

00:05:19.240 was essentially the closest roof with a direct line of sight to the stage and if someone were

00:05:24.980 attempt to try something, you would think that that would be the most high visibility risked

00:05:31.180 site in the entire area. And the fact that they dropped coverage, they didn't have full coverage

00:05:35.860 on it. It's inexplicable to me. It's still inexplicable. And all of these months later,

00:05:40.700 two years later, it's still inexplicable. I don't think we've ever really gotten

00:05:44.320 straight answers on this, to be honest with you. And I had the same reaction when I was there.

00:05:48.860 It is very easy to get onto that roof, by the way, as you remember. And I remember thinking

00:05:52.600 when I was there, I was like, surely this isn't the play. I mean, surely this isn't the one

00:05:55.700 because, you know, you can literally just, just hoist yourself up. It's a pull-up just to get up

00:06:00.360 there. It's too close. It's right there. Right there. And, you know, and everybody's like,

00:06:04.060 no, this is it. This is the one. I'm like, how in the world was this not secure? And to your

00:06:08.260 point, Jack, I mean, clear line of sight to the stage, not that far away at all. And then here

00:06:13.260 we go. A couple of nights later, a couple of nights go from now, we have a shooter get through

00:06:18.700 security, get to the steps of the ballroom, shoot a cop, shoot an agent. This looks like a pattern

00:06:25.700 here. And I want to be sure that we are getting all of the facts. I want to be sure that our good

00:06:30.020 agents in uniform are getting all the resources that they need, that the protocols in place to

00:06:34.780 give them success are there, and that most importantly, we're keeping the president,

00:06:38.140 we're keeping the cabinet, we're keeping ordinary people safe. I mean, let's not forget that the

00:06:41.440 people who were killed in Butler were good, honest, everyday American citizens. We just can't

00:06:46.160 have it in this country be a fact that if you go to a political event, your life is in danger. I

00:06:51.700 mean, we just cannot assent to have that become the norm in the United States of America.

00:06:56.460 No, we can't. And that's why I've constantly advocated for the highest possible charges and

00:07:02.600 punishments against any of these individuals, whether it be the attempts on President Trump,

00:07:07.920 Charlie Kirk, Luigi Maggioni, and the UnitedHealthcare. You can't allow assassinations

00:07:13.360 to breathe into our culture because it's the most corrosive form of cancer to any political

00:07:22.000 society. And it always has been since the dawn of time. And Senator, when you look at the

00:07:27.800 culture here, these breakdowns, I feel like maybe in the security posture, there's a lack of urgency

00:07:35.320 that just doesn't seem to have been taken root. The lessons of Butler, this idea that we have a

00:07:42.160 threat situation for President Trump, for conservatives, that is just unprecedented.

00:07:47.580 And I hate to say it, but I'm going to have to say it when I see those videos and I see the

00:07:51.840 agents, they're up against the wall, right? I remember growing up, my manager at the store

00:07:58.580 I used to work at used to say, if you have time to lean, you have time to clean. And I remember

00:08:03.620 being in the Navy, we would not allow someone to do that while they were standing watch. And I

00:08:07.540 can't believe they're doing that at a presidential level event where the entire cabinet and vice

00:08:12.940 president are present. You know, and you mentioned a minute ago that Charlie Kirk, the Charlie Kirk

00:08:19.360 assassination really is the proof of what you were just saying about our culture now, a culture of

00:08:24.800 violence, particularly on the left, where, you know, you can't, if you're a conservative leader,

00:08:28.840 conservative figure, you can't even go to a college campus and feel like you're 100% secure.

00:08:33.240 Just as importantly, the people who come out to hear you and exercise their First Amendment rights,

00:08:36.680 they're not safe either. And we do need to have a sense of urgency, to your point.

00:08:40.800 We need to make sure that everybody in our protective agencies, everybody in our law

00:08:45.900 enforcement agencies has that sense of urgency and is being equipped accordingly. And I just

00:08:50.960 worry that that is not the case. And we need to make sure that the public knows exactly what's

00:08:55.360 going on, that there's full and total transparency. And that's why Congress needs to do its job. We

00:08:59.700 need to have hearings. We need to get the facts out there for the American people.

00:09:02.900 have you uh received any response from either dhs or the agency since this letter's gone out

00:09:12.060 no i i have not and i hope that i hope that i will and i hope that the chairman of the homeland

00:09:18.620 security committee rand paul will say immediately we're going to hold hearings on this we're going

00:09:22.060 to do this in public we're going to get answers but i would just go back two years rewind two

00:09:26.540 years to butler literally when i went to butler jack for the first time i had the fbi come onto

00:09:32.280 the field there at Butler. I was there with my team. They came onto the field and told me I had

00:09:37.980 to leave. And I said, what do you mean I have to leave? Like, who's under, who's jurisdiction?

00:09:41.960 I'm a member of the Senate. I'm on the committee of jurisdiction. I'm conducting investigation.

00:09:45.620 And they're like, no, no, no, no, no. You know, you can't be here. Now they didn't have a perimeter

00:09:49.600 set up at the time, Jack, at all. They said, no, you can't be here because, you know, we're going

00:09:54.320 to, we're going to control this. We will give you the facts when we want to give them. And for

00:09:58.000 months, they stonewalled us. At the time, the Secret Service, again, Biden leadership stonewalled

00:10:03.580 us. This has become a pattern. And I think we've got to break that pattern. And I know we've got

00:10:07.720 new leadership, thank goodness, at both FBI and Secret Service. I know they're doing things

00:10:12.180 differently. We've got to make sure we're giving them the support to change what they need to

00:10:16.160 change, to get the resources that they need to get, and to get the facts out there to the American

00:10:20.300 people. At the end of the day, it comes down to safety. And this is not a partisan issue,

00:10:27.520 Certainly at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, there were many people who were not members of the administration or not conservative from all political walks of life and, you know, backgrounds, etc.

00:10:39.320 This was not one, you know, Republican event or a Trump event or something like that.

00:10:43.960 But it certainly was an event where everyone was at threat and everyone was at risk because of these lapses.

00:10:52.080 So who, you know, whoever becomes the next president, the next vice president, et cetera, et cetera, on down the line, this is going to be an issue for everyone.

00:11:00.940 And again, there's nothing more corrosive than assassinations.

00:11:04.120 And certainly that's something that I think we all learned following last following last year's situation with Charlie.

00:11:11.820 But Senator, if I could ask, what do you make? Because I know you've written a lot about this.

00:11:16.800 What do you make about the rise of this assassination culture to begin with?

00:11:22.080 and the fact that it is on the rise. We haven't seemed to have dealt with this at the federal

00:11:27.300 level in terms of these agencies and pushing new guidance. And I wonder if there's something there

00:11:32.120 that perhaps we could learn and then push down. As a prior intelligence officer myself, I know that

00:11:38.040 a lot of these agencies, they love their guidance, they love their studies. But I think it starts

00:11:42.000 with understanding that the situation on the ground has changed. It really has changed. And

00:11:46.820 we have this very paradoxical situation now where actual political speech, you know, words are thought

00:11:52.760 to be harmful, are thought to be triggering. You know, you go to any campus and, oh my gosh, well,

00:11:58.000 you can't say that. You have a different political viewpoint. You're a conservative. Oh no, that's

00:12:01.540 hurtful to me. You can't say those words. And yet actual violence, shooting people, oh well, you know,

00:12:07.100 that's becoming the norm. It should be just the opposite. I think we've got to recover a healthy

00:12:11.780 and robust appreciation for the constitutional principle of open political debate. You know,

00:12:17.340 Abraham Lincoln famously said that when in a democracy, we don't appeal from ballots to bullets.

00:12:22.260 I'm worried that a lot of people now, and frankly, a lot of people on the left are more than happy to

00:12:25.900 do that. They want to appeal to bullets. They are out there literally engaging in political violence.

00:12:31.420 Many portions of the left are fine with political violence, but political speech they're against.

00:12:35.360 We need to reverse that. We need to get back to saying, you know what, we can have big,

00:12:38.340 robust debates in this country. We can have big disagreements. We can air that out in speech.

00:12:43.760 What we don't do is we don't go shoot each other. I mean, come on. We're Americans. You can really

00:12:48.460 disagree with that guy. You can really dislike some political leader. Fine. That's your right.

00:12:53.000 You don't go shoot him. I mean, what's wrong with you people? I think we've got to have a reset here

00:12:57.460 and we've got to drive that in our conversation. It really gets back to valuing speech,

00:13:02.960 valuing free and open debate, valuing the constitution.

00:13:05.400 well this is the this is the value that charlie kirk lived every day he said if you disagree with

00:13:13.320 me come to the front of the line i'm going to give you a microphone i'm going to let you have

00:13:18.060 the opportunity to you know change my mind or prove me wrong that's the entire bedrock of western

00:13:24.540 civilization is the idea that we will have this debate and that we will hash these things out

00:13:30.440 as free citizens and what what other place could there be than the modern public square than you

00:13:36.480 know a college quad right the college uh the college campus and it i actually agree with you

00:13:42.280 that it does begin with this idea that words are violence you're not allowed to say that and that

00:13:47.920 you should be censored so that if you aren't allowed to say those things and we can't get

00:13:54.640 you censored from being thrown off of campus we can't get you censored from being shut down on

00:14:00.240 social media, perhaps. And of course, you've been one of the leaders on the big tech fight there.

00:14:04.920 Then censorship comes instead of soft beans. They'll choose harsher means. Do you agree that

00:14:11.480 there seems to be a pipeline there? Yeah, absolutely. And I think the irony is that if

00:14:15.940 you treat words as violence, what you get is more actual violence. If you say we're going to shut

00:14:20.900 down the free exchange of ideas, you're going to get people with guns doing insane stuff like this

00:14:26.700 nut who tried to kill the president and others who have tried the same thing and obviously come

00:14:31.100 very very close in at least one instance so and and in the case of charlie kirk succeeded i think

00:14:36.720 we've got to take a hard look here at what we've allowed to have happen on our campuses but also i

00:14:41.380 think at the root of it jack as i think on it the root of it is we there's too many people in this

00:14:45.920 country who no longer share our bedrock principles that unite us as a nation they don't believe any

00:14:52.440 longer in those core values of liberty of the individual, family, God, country. You know,

00:14:58.200 there was a certain, there used to be a certain bedrock of values in the country that everybody

00:15:02.160 agreed on. And no matter how vociferously you disagreed on policy, you agreed on those

00:15:06.840 fundamental things. And that gave us a framework for our debate. I think as that erodes and as

00:15:11.360 the left attacks those fundamental things, our debate becomes much more polarized. It becomes

00:15:16.620 more vociferous. The censors become more empowered and you get more violence. And we're in that

00:15:21.560 spiral right now. We got to pull this country out of that spiral. Well, I couldn't agree more with

00:15:27.280 that, Senator. I know you have to run. You're working today. You're earning that salary. Where

00:15:31.620 can people go and follow you and put out everything they're putting out? Hey, you can go to

00:15:36.560 joshholly.com or follow me anywhere on social media. Holly Moe, thank you so much, Jack, for

00:15:40.920 having me. God bless, Senator. Thank you for your words and for your kind words about Charlie as

00:15:45.360 well. Folks, we are going to go to our cold open here for a second. I'm going to replay the intro,

00:15:50.660 But we do have breaking news that I want to let everybody know, because this just came across the wire as I was speaking with the senator, didn't even get a chance to read the message.

00:16:01.460 I have it now. A federal grand jury has just indicted former FBI director James Comey after a longstanding controversial Instagram post from last year that President Trump and members of the administration claimed was a threat against the president.

00:16:17.940 Very interesting indictment. Obviously, I want to read more into that, see which jurisdiction this took place in, because we know that had been an issue with Comey and some of the others in the past.

00:16:28.360 So for for now, we will dig into that. And guys, let's go and run the show opening.

00:16:34.340 The suspected shooter at the White House Correspondents' Dinner Saturday appeared in federal court in Washington, D.C. for the first time yesterday.

00:16:41.700 Cole Allen, a 31-year-old part-time teacher from California, faces three charges, including attempting to assassinate the president.

00:16:50.080 Prosecutors say Allen is likely to face more charges as the investigation continues.

00:16:55.160 Melania Trump sharing a blistering takedown of Jimmy Kimmel.

00:16:59.180 The first lady's post on X coming after Kimmel's scathing parody of the White House Correspondents' Dinner on Thursday.

00:17:05.780 Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow.

00:17:08.500 The United States about to enter a third month of war with Iran.

00:17:13.040 Secretary of State Marco Rubio confirming details of Iran's latest proposal,

00:17:17.540 conditions under which the regime would reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

00:17:21.140 What they mean by opening the straits is, yes, the straits are opened as long as you coordinate with Iran,

00:17:25.760 get our permission, or we'll blow you up and you pay us.

00:17:28.780 That's not opening the straits, nor can we tolerate them trying to normalize a system

00:17:33.080 in which the Iranians decide who gets to use an international waterway.

00:17:36.480 King Charles is in Washington for the first state visit by a British monarch in almost 20 years.

00:17:41.220 Here he is arriving with Queen Camille at the White House.

00:17:43.820 Some of the team may not have the fortitude that President Trump does.

00:17:49.780 Trump's the best deporter that I've ever worked for.

00:17:53.960 You know, I think that sometimes cold feet, whether that's polling numbers or whatever, can come into play.

00:18:00.540 And that's too bad because, again, this is for America.

00:18:03.100 I don't give a damn about the polling numbers.

00:18:04.560 Yeah.

00:18:05.080 Let me say that again as the-

00:18:06.920 Well, this is what we voted for.

00:18:08.020 We voted for mass deportation.

00:18:09.920 Exactly.

00:18:10.580 I don't go into cities to arrest illegal aliens based on polling numbers.

00:18:13.640 I do that as a board of patrol chief.

00:18:14.880 The last time the Alien Enemies Act was invoked, it was used to detain and deport German,

00:18:22.520 Japanese, Italian immigrants during World War XI.

00:18:26.700 Federal agents are conducting several search warrants across the Twin Cities.

00:18:31.140 FBI agents, Homeland Security, they're inside that building right now.

00:18:35.500 This is the Somali Senior Center. We're in the West Phillips neighborhood.

00:18:40.000 There's also a child care center here, so we're unsure which or both of these businesses is involved.

00:18:46.920 Now, this is one of nearly two dozen spots where we are told that federal agents are stopping today.

00:18:54.820 All right, folks, we're back here, Human Events Daily.

00:18:57.900 And that was the big story earlier this morning, folks. Accountability, accountability for Minnesota, for the fraud, for the Somali fraudsters that we have seen time and time again.

00:19:09.860 And by the way, I love the fact that Tim Walz is trying to get ahead of this, but I'll talk about that in a second.

00:19:16.420 So this was a story that I actually heard about late last night, and I put a tweet up early this morning in the 7 o'clock hour

00:19:25.840 about sort of referencing that something might be coming with these daycare centers.

00:19:31.000 And, of course, I didn't want to get ahead of the operations.

00:19:34.080 I didn't want to get ahead of anyone who was going to be on the ground.

00:19:38.260 then had a discussion with the attorney general's office and just to get the confirmation,

00:19:45.640 got the confirmation, and they were able to provide a statement to human events.

00:19:49.980 And I put that out later and had some media hits, did War Room as well, talking about this.

00:19:55.540 They confirmed that there would be 22 search warrants, raids executed this morning across

00:20:03.480 Minnesota and largely in the Minneapolis area.

00:20:06.520 We're going to have Liz Collin here from Alpha News, who is just always in the know on everything that takes place in Minneapolis ever since the events of George Floyd.

00:20:17.360 She'll be joining us just after the break.

00:20:20.240 And what we need to see here, what we need to see, and obviously want to find, what were the organizations that were targeted?

00:20:27.440 And you got Tim Walz now saying that, oh, these were state generated leads, that the state actually played the role in identifying the federal government.

00:20:37.600 No, that's not true, Tim. That's not true because it was new media.

00:20:41.480 It was new media like Nick Shirley that was out there.

00:20:44.680 It was new media on the ground, citizen reporters, citizen activists taking up the ball.

00:20:51.520 It was places like Alpha News that were going in day in and day out that were going after the truth.

00:21:00.560 They were simply going after the truth of what's been happening in their area, what's been happening in their city.

00:21:06.060 The fall of Minneapolis was a documentary that Liz Collins put together.

00:21:09.900 And there's so many of these aspects to it.

00:21:14.460 So no, Tim, you were not the one who was trying to fix it.

00:21:18.020 You, in many ways, are the one who is responsible for it.

00:21:23.560 But don't worry, Tim. Don't worry.

00:21:26.200 I think you are.

00:21:27.720 Because accountability, ladies and gentlemen, accountability is now.

00:21:33.700 Here, right back, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.

00:21:37.620 You talk about influences.

00:21:39.200 These are influences.

00:21:41.060 And they're friends of mine.

00:21:43.440 Jack, you're so like, where's Jack?

00:21:45.600 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec. We're back live human events daily. And as I was just mentioning

00:21:57.640 in the last segment, Liz Collin of Alpha News joins us today. Liz, how are you?

00:22:03.120 Hey, Jack, doing well. How are you?

00:22:06.020 I'm doing great because we're finally seeing the efforts of yourself and so many others

00:22:12.020 prove fruitful. We're seeing the fruit being born from those efforts with these raids on

00:22:18.340 some of the fraud centers, FBI, HSI, and some of these outlets. And obviously you've talked about

00:22:27.280 this for years and done investigations into this for years. Can you tell us what do we know

00:22:32.560 specifically about what's happening on the ground today? Yeah, you're right. I think some

00:22:36.980 reassuring news. Certainly this morning, Jack, with these 22 search warrants in all, that is

00:22:42.800 nowhere near the end of this, I'm sure of that. But we did, we saw agents at daycares, autism

00:22:48.240 centers, a senior center and a daycare all around the Minneapolis area for the most part, or the

00:22:54.520 suburban areas of Minneapolis. FBI agents were there, HSI agents, BCA agents. So these are state

00:23:01.020 and federal agencies working together on these raids that are still ongoing. I will say there

00:23:06.820 are agents at a few locations yet today, but officers in plainclothes there as well. You can

00:23:11.700 see them carting out boxes, bags for hours at different locations, multiple vehicles on scene.

00:23:17.980 I was going to point out that I don't think that this comes as much of a surprise.

00:23:21.580 It was promised that this was going to be the case back in February. You'll remember, Jack,

00:23:25.600 at the end of Operation Metro Surge, border czar Tom Homan said,

00:23:30.200 okay, well, the operation for the most part is over, but we're keeping federal agents here

00:23:34.060 to investigate fraud. And I know with these things, I'm sure you do as well, that these

00:23:40.200 investigations do take time. Our sources have said, you know, you got to build these cases and

00:23:45.620 strong cases. You're going to have to sit outside of these places for 30 days, for 60 days.

00:23:50.420 Who's going in, who's going out, or perhaps who's not going in or coming out, it seems,

00:23:55.700 with these Somali businesses to provide kind of that large sample area. So agents, I'm sure,

00:24:01.700 have been documenting and doing just that. So I think this is ongoing. I think there are perhaps

00:24:08.480 thousands of locations from what I've actually heard in Minnesota that are under the microscope,

00:24:13.680 but certainly nice to see some accountability, it seems, this morning with these raids ongoing at

00:24:19.940 this hour. And so the fact that they're ongoing is tremendous. But we had this message up,

00:24:27.980 this tweet up from Tim Walls where he seems to be not only backtracking, but doing a complete

00:24:33.180 180 where he's actually taking credit for the raids. Walk me through this psychology here.

00:24:40.260 Well, not only this, this actually happened. These raids happened on the morning of Governor

00:24:44.720 Tim Walls, his final state of the state address, Jack. He's announced he's not seeking a third

00:24:50.080 term, but you're right. These ex posts are really quite something to see. He's kind of

00:24:55.260 taking credit, saying this is what happens when state and federal agencies work together.

00:25:01.600 We all can remember how he has done everything he can to make sure that doesn't happen,

00:25:06.940 especially when it came to Operation Metro Surge. But I think a little too late on many of these

00:25:12.180 points, praising the raids today, claiming that cracking down on fraud is a priority is what he's

00:25:17.780 saying. But yeah, his speech tonight is that at seven o'clock, his final one as governor of

00:25:23.100 Minnesota. Kind of some irony, I think, here with the timing of all of this.

00:25:29.900 Perhaps some intentionality as well. The idea, though, that he, I mean, obviously,

00:25:36.860 let's just go back to the timeline. You at Alpha News have been reporting on these things for

00:25:42.280 years. There have been multiple indictments, I think just under 100 indictments in just one case

00:25:48.640 alone in this. Has Tim Walz been helpful in these things at all up until this?

00:25:57.020 In fact, Jack, he has been in office this entire time that fraud has really made the news cycle.

00:26:02.980 So we're talking $9 billion in fraud. That's on record. We've heard as high as $20 billion

00:26:08.080 in fraud programs specifically designed for fraud. I'll just highlight this autism program. I talk

00:26:15.840 about it a lot. I think there are five, from what I'm hearing, autism centers that were a part of

00:26:21.300 these raids this morning. But that program alone, it's known as the EIDBI program. It saw its total

00:26:27.940 costs go from $38 million to $324 million. And that happened in just a four-year period. That's

00:26:35.760 just one program I'm talking about here. And again, Governor Tim Walz in office, you know,

00:26:41.060 this entire time no he's been in office the entire time but i understand also and you know we've been

00:26:49.460 wanting to get you on because i know you have a new documentary out all about tim walls or should

00:26:54.420 i say the minneapolis mal minnesota mal in fact thank you yeah thank you jack and sadly we have

00:27:03.700 so much material um at this point that we're continuing to put this all together but it's

00:27:07.860 It's out on June 4th.

00:27:09.040 There is some significance behind that date, I will say.

00:27:12.540 June 4th is the date of Tiananmen Square.

00:27:14.520 And also the anniversary of Tim and Gwen Walls.

00:27:18.740 Tim picked that date so he could remember it.

00:27:20.860 Those are words from his wife.

00:27:22.160 So wait, wait.

00:27:22.940 I understood that they had their honeymoon or something.

00:27:26.960 Is that correct?

00:27:27.680 They were on their honeymoon in China in 1989.

00:27:33.100 They were actually married, though, on that day as well?

00:27:36.580 Gwen has said that in interviews.

00:27:37.860 that that is the very reason that Tim picked that wedding date.

00:27:42.120 Some pretty bombshell interviews, I will say, forthcoming in the documentary, Minnesota Mao.

00:27:47.400 But for now, folks can check it out, minnesotamao.com.

00:27:50.540 That's where our trailer is.

00:27:51.540 I know you shared it on X as well, which we appreciate.

00:27:54.360 But fraud is also a big part of the documentary and kind of a layer of all of this

00:28:01.480 and what we've seen in Governor Walz and his time in Minnesota.

00:28:06.080 Liz, I have to ask, remind me, does Tim ever claim to be able to speak Chinese?

00:28:11.780 Has that something that he's ever said, despite his many trips there?

00:28:16.060 You know, there are many documented lies.

00:28:18.720 It's hard to keep track of.

00:28:20.080 He has, we've heard him say, or perhaps attempt to say a few words here and there,

00:28:25.820 but he has gone from saying that he's been to China more than 30 times.

00:28:29.960 Now it's about 20 times.

00:28:32.020 But in the documentary, I will say that we interviewed some folks who went to China with him, and they have some pretty interesting insights that they're going to share for the very first time.

00:28:42.420 And in fact, they've been trying to get the attention of local governments, of federal governments as well over the years, saying that this guy really had no reason to be in public office.

00:28:56.920 And these were years ago that they sent these warning, these warning signs to many, many people.

00:29:02.860 And yet here we are kind of dealing with this mess in Minnesota.

00:29:07.140 Wow. I do not want to have to wait until June 4th.

00:29:10.360 But apparently we will. Liz, where can people go to see the documentary when it comes out?

00:29:15.060 It'll be MinnesotaMau.com. Also, our YouTube page, Alpha News MN.

00:29:20.000 Check it out and give her a follow, Liz.

00:29:22.120 I don't know if I ever if I ever see the guy, maybe I can test him on his Mandarin.

00:29:25.620 we can do a little uh uh check it out see whether or not he holds himself up to snuff right back

00:29:33.460 jack so with more human events daily where's jack where is he jack i want to see you

00:29:41.700 great job jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're always

00:29:49.140 talking about the fake news and the bad but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting

00:29:54.100 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back live, human events, daily, Real America's Voice.

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00:31:27.580 All right, folks, very excited now for our next guest.

00:31:32.140 Dr. Chloe Carmichael joins us now.

00:31:36.280 You know her. She's the author of Can I Say That? and Nervous Energy.

00:31:40.020 She is a clinical psychologist, and she has reviewed the entire published manifesto of the would-be assassin of President Trump at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

00:31:52.520 Dr. Chloe.

00:31:54.060 Hey, Jack.

00:31:54.780 It's good to be with you.

00:31:55.860 I'm sorry for the circumstances, of course, but glad that we could talk about it.

00:31:59.500 As always.

00:32:00.620 Yeah.

00:32:01.180 Well, you know, and we just had Senator Hawley on here and he, my gosh, he used the line

00:32:06.780 that you say all the time.

00:32:08.260 When you treat words as violence, you get more violence.

00:32:11.560 I said, we got to get him a copy of your book.

00:32:14.280 I'm all in favor.

00:32:15.740 Let's make it happen for sure.

00:32:18.520 Because this is what you've been writing about, how these, unfortunately, it's not just a

00:32:24.660 bad idea, but how it's these worldviews and these thoughts can, negative thoughts can lead to

00:32:30.200 negative actions. Yeah. And actually, as well as very distorted thoughts and, you know, repetitive

00:32:36.520 thoughts. So the manifesto, as you mentioned, was basically a parroting, a regurgitation

00:32:44.340 of media talking points, as well as left-wing politician talking points. But I repeat myself,

00:32:52.460 right? You know, he goes and, you know, refers to Trump as a pedophile, rapist, traitor. He goes and

00:32:59.740 he says he has to do these things because of, quote, fishermen being blown up in boats. I mean,

00:33:05.640 presumably he means the Venezuelan drug dealers that were trying to pump fentanyl into our

00:33:10.140 country. I just, I think that there's a level of delusion that people are susceptible to when they

00:33:17.440 keep hearing the same quote facts or misinformation repeated over and over on the news as well as in

00:33:24.600 academic classrooms. And that's so interesting to me because you're right. It's this idea that

00:33:33.560 he's talking about, oh, Trump does violence. Trump does violence. But what you're talking

00:33:38.960 about here are law enforcement operations against known criminals or non-drug traffickers,

00:33:45.100 military operations in a completely different context and yet he's using this as justification

00:33:52.440 for his interest in committing violence on and and this is very interesting to me because he

00:33:59.000 talks about his selection of targets at great length he talks about you know he he used buckshot

00:34:06.880 instead of slugs because he didn't want it to go through the walls and he only had specific targets

00:34:12.140 Walk me through, why is the intentionality so important to these individuals?

00:34:17.860 Well, I think it's really important to him that he wants to claim himself as, you know, one of the good guys.

00:34:24.000 So it feels like a very showy display of, you know, here's all the ways that I thought about this.

00:34:30.340 And to your point of, like, just kind of distorting a context, he even went so far as to pull Christianity into that, right?

00:34:38.600 To, you know, distort and misuse Christian theology and scripture to talk about turning

00:34:44.980 the other cheek and standing up, you know, for the oppressed.

00:34:49.640 You know, there was such almost deliberate confusion or delusion there.

00:34:54.740 But, you know, another point from the manifesto that I don't hear a lot of people talking

00:34:59.040 about quite as much is that one of his, quote, objections and rebuttals that he raises is,

00:35:05.340 is, you know, he imagines people saying to him, well, what about you as a half black and half

00:35:10.940 white man? You know, why are you the one that should have to do this, right? Which was such

00:35:16.120 interesting language. And then his response was, well, I don't see anybody else picking up the

00:35:21.900 slack. And it's just, it was interesting to me and telling to me as far as his left-wing ideology

00:35:29.480 that he's also, of course, a part of this group called the Wide Awakes. I assume that's like

00:35:33.700 the ultra wokes or whatever, but that he even sees his race as some kind of a driving factor

00:35:41.240 here. Or why should you have to as a half black and half white? Just so obsessed with this identity

00:35:48.880 politics and such a blindness to the actual facts of our lives. So the fact that he brings up

00:35:57.800 about his racial identity and in that context. And I was actually planning to ask you about this

00:36:04.180 because there's just so much to it. But do you see that as it I mean, to me, it just seems very

00:36:09.320 much, you know, I guess what we would call main character energy of this idea that he seems to

00:36:15.520 think that the world revolves around him and these decisions and his role as half white.

00:36:21.800 It's like, dude, nobody knows who you are. You know, you're not special. You're just another

00:36:26.100 another American citizen like the rest of us. But, but it seems to me in his mind,

00:36:30.720 he has a very, very inflated sense of self. Yeah. In fact, that could even ironically be

00:36:36.820 part of the issue there is, is a sense of not mattering and a sense of a lack of purpose.

00:36:44.240 And, and he even talks about that in the manifesto is that he's directly imagining

00:36:49.680 that everybody's going to be reading this and everybody's going to be talking about this. And

00:36:54.760 he addresses his students and his family and even his church and all these people. And he's clearly

00:37:01.300 aware, as you said, and focused on the fact that there's going to be a lot of people talking about

00:37:07.640 him. And to your point, nobody had ever heard of him before, and that this could be part of that.

00:37:13.280 Another issue kind of within that is we know that in addition to being some kind of a teacher or

00:37:19.360 Tudor, which again, hello, left-wing ideology. He was also apparently, or is also apparently a

00:37:27.000 game developer, which of course tells us it doesn't take a psychologist to know that this

00:37:33.100 means he's spending a great deal of time online. And as well, to your point about identity,

00:37:40.480 people who get super invested in games, it's a virtual identity. So they can start to have a

00:37:48.380 little bit of a kind of a soft sense of their own identity and then of course meanwhile they're

00:37:54.120 spending a great deal of time online they can fall down a group think rabbit hole very quickly that

00:38:00.760 way oh no you're right and and and certainly you know i don't ever want to be one of those guys

00:38:09.040 who says oh if you play video games it's going to make you violent i just i just don't think that

00:38:13.220 works but i do think that what you're saying it's the question of identity right it's the question

00:38:17.540 of do you start to lose that sense of who you are as an individual and then identify

00:38:23.760 with these other, and what we see predominantly in video games these days is created characters.

00:38:31.360 So creating your own character, creating your own avatar.

00:38:34.460 So we see that as a game developer with Cole Thomas Allen.

00:38:38.080 We know that Luigi Agioni was also a game developer, by the way.

00:38:41.840 We know that Tyler Robinson was known to play games featuring extreme pornography and extreme sex involving bestiality, among other things, of games that he was playing.

00:38:54.620 And it's all been reported as public knowledge that is out there that people can go and find.

00:38:59.360 And so, and clearly any of the relations to the trans community do tie into this, this, this, I liked what you said, soft identity, this idea that your identity itself is something fluid as if we're not, you know, we're not all created individuals.

00:39:17.820 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:18.700 And like you said, it's not at all to suggest like anybody who plays video games, right?

00:39:23.680 I mean, just like.

00:39:24.940 No, no, I wasn't saying that you said that.

00:39:26.160 I just know that, I know that there's this, this, this, you know, narrative.

00:39:31.780 Yeah.

00:39:32.300 And you could be somebody who's like a casual drinker or you could become a full-fledged

00:39:36.560 alcoholic, right?

00:39:37.600 Like there's, there's a lot of space in the middle, but it is interesting, as you pointed

00:39:41.900 out, that Luigi Mangione was, I think you said, a game developer.

00:39:45.580 And so, you know, these are people who are obviously just going beyond, you know, mere

00:39:50.500 casual play.

00:39:51.880 Similarly, when we think about somebody who's just going through school versus somebody who's really starting to immerse themselves within academia, and again, I'm obviously not seeing all academics, however, there is a very interesting correlation between academia and the left and an endorsement of political violence.

00:40:17.660 So we know that statistically, there is a relationship.

00:40:22.180 We see that in polling.

00:40:23.400 We see that in voter patterns.

00:40:24.440 Dr. Chloe Carmichael, right back.

00:40:26.240 Quick break.

00:40:26.840 Hard break, unfortunately.

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00:41:57.000 patriot and switch today dr chloe carmichael we're going through the manifesto and of this

00:42:04.220 alleged assassin attempted assassin of the white house correspondence dinner and and dr chloe i

00:42:10.120 have to ask you because one thing that's just been i don't know kind of eating away at me and

00:42:15.220 i'd love to get your expert opinion on this so cash patel the manifesto mentions him by name

00:42:24.520 in in a way i don't think he actually uses trump's name at at all in it so he kind of makes very

00:42:30.720 obvious references to him but doesn't actually use his name but he specifically says that cash

00:42:35.740 is someone that he ruled out as a target and i i thought this was so interesting because he seems

00:42:41.340 so intentional about his targets so intentional about wanting to fight the system to take away

00:42:47.740 you know the system that he views that is taking away rights and and all of this what do what if

00:42:54.420 any theory do you have on why it is that he said Cash was not on his list? Yeah, that stood out to

00:43:01.640 me, too. The one thing I noticed on that was, of course, that I think Cash Patel is the only

00:43:06.680 member of the target list or would-be target list that was not white. And so since this person

00:43:12.980 is obviously obsessed with wokeness, he mentions his own race as, you know, and so maybe it was

00:43:19.460 some kind of a racial solidarity situation.

00:43:22.200 But I'm curious what you think, too.

00:43:26.080 You know, that's that's honestly, you know, that's honestly probably better than than any

00:43:31.220 idea that I'd come up with.

00:43:32.340 I mean, you'd think that perhaps here's why I was thinking there might be more to it than

00:43:37.020 that, because he seems to have spent so much time going through these objections and responses

00:43:43.080 and has this, you know, in his mind, at least a well-formulated thought for all of his other

00:43:48.780 choices that I was, I don't know, perhaps I was hoping that he had some more of a specific

00:43:53.360 woke, you know, woke ideology of, well, I'm going after white people and he's not white and that's

00:44:00.740 it. Well, I would think so. But he did also mention his own race where he said, why should I

00:44:06.420 as a half white, half black person have to do this? So he obviously thinks about race as more

00:44:12.800 than just your skin color, that it that it connotes something about who you are or your

00:44:17.920 responsibility for things. He made that very explicit. And so, you know, there's probably

00:44:25.260 another reason, as you said, but that was just the one thing that stood out to me about him and

00:44:29.860 Kash Patel. I don't know. No, I think that's certainly potential. Anything else about it,

00:44:37.940 just in general? What takes someone who's so gifted intellectually, he's, you know,

00:44:45.900 top marks on college entrance exams. He's working in some of the top fields. He's at Caltech. He's

00:44:53.900 at extremely elite university. What could take someone, make someone like that in that situation

00:45:02.440 who seems to be coming from a loving family? There's no broken home here. There's no socioeconomic

00:45:07.260 factors. What else or what other could it be that drives someone like that into committing an act

00:45:13.880 like this or thinking that this is a good course of action? Yeah, so it's a good question. And

00:45:19.200 ironically, it could even be the fact that, as you said, he is so intelligent and he did receive so

00:45:24.060 much education and he may have grown up with a great deal of respect for authority. And very

00:45:30.200 sadly, that can actually make someone quite vulnerable if they go into some of these very

00:45:35.720 leftist institutions and all of a sudden the, you know, the top professors and whatnot, this is

00:45:42.920 another component of groupthink, by the way, is that there's these self-appointed mind guards

00:45:48.160 in these expert classes. And if he's just a very intelligent person that's trained to

00:45:53.600 learn and accept what authority figures are saying and just download that, he may have just taken his

00:46:00.200 big, powerful brain and just simply downloaded the wrong information because he mistakenly thought,

00:46:07.120 well, these are smart professors. I'll go by what they tell me. And they very well may have been

00:46:12.180 teaching some really twisted left-wing political ideology. That could be the case.

00:46:19.980 Is this something that you've been obviously not asking about any specifics on cases, but

00:46:25.140 is this something that you may have run across before at all with people who

00:46:28.800 come from this environment, who are extremely intellectually gifted, that they may become

00:46:35.020 perhaps more susceptible to that group think because they think, well, this is what all the

00:46:39.240 smart people think. Sure, absolutely. And then moreover, a lot of, you know, masters and above

00:46:46.580 type programs, when they're interviewing candidates, understandably, they're actually

00:46:52.040 seeking candidates that are going to be very coachable, that are, you know, going to be good

00:46:57.920 research assistants and help that professor to, you know, do their work as the principal investigator.

00:47:03.840 I actually experienced it myself. If it weren't for the fact that I didn't go to school until much later in life when I already had a solid sense of my worldview, I probably would have completely absorbed all that left-wing ideology as well.

00:47:21.160 It's actually one of the things I talk about in my book is how students can resist that type of indoctrination, how they can stand up for themselves and their values when they are getting this incredible pressure, which I can share some statistics as well.

00:47:38.160 But I think we just kind of all know it, that at these left wing universities, which is most universities, students experience a great deal of pressure that if they want to get good grades and if they don't want to be labeled as, you know, some, quote, idiot redneck or whatever, that they better just go ahead and sing that professor's song.

00:47:58.500 yeah no i i i can remember that as well of course i i was not the student that went along with the

00:48:07.040 professors when i was in uh when i was on campus as i'm sure will surprise absolutely no one um

00:48:13.480 that uh yes there are articles from when i was in school that i was uh conducting i was i was

00:48:18.460 rousing quite a lot of rabble even back then actually at one point uh because i went to a

00:48:23.180 I wasn't a state university, it was state-related, and I actually called in legislative hearings on my professors because of the indoctrination that they were doing on campus.

00:48:34.440 And so while an undergraduate, I was working with the David Horowitz Freedom Center back then and Students for Academic Freedom.

00:48:40.360 And we had hearings that I actually forced my professors to have to testify.

00:48:46.280 Amazing.

00:48:47.160 See, we need some more of that, Jack.

00:48:49.360 I'm not surprised.

00:48:50.680 Hey, that's Turning Point USA these days.

00:48:52.660 This was this was pre-Turning Point, but this was that's the mission of Turning Point USA.

00:48:57.640 That's how Charlie built Turning Point USA was all about the indoctrination on campuses.

00:49:02.720 And if that didn't exist, then Turning Point USA would not exist because there would not be a need for it.

00:49:08.380 Yeah. And, you know, there is actually an interesting psychological process of how that indoctrination works.

00:49:13.600 So if you're a student and you're on campus and you're like, oh, well, I know that that's not really true, but I'm just going to write this paper the way the professor wants or I'll just raise my hand in class and say what they need to hear.

00:49:25.860 there's because of a psychological process called cognitive dissonance and because of things like

00:49:31.580 repression and suppression and denial what ends up happening is that you ultimately can lose touch

00:49:37.580 with your own real thoughts and you can just start adapting and taking on the thoughts that

00:49:44.220 you were just pretending to have just the same way like they say well if you just put a smile

00:49:48.600 on your face and you're sad it'll start to lift your mood the same thing can happen when you start

00:49:54.240 pantomiming the viewpoints of professors. So it's really important for students that are in

00:50:00.940 universities, either they should somehow be bold and speak up, and I have ways that they can do

00:50:05.940 that, or at the very least, make sure that they talk or write down their real thoughts later.

00:50:11.000 Dr. Chloe, where can people get the book?

00:50:14.620 freespeechtoday.com or Amazon.

00:50:17.600 freespeechtoday.com. Give or follow Dr. Chloe Carmichael.

00:50:22.040 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

00:50:24.240 We'll be right back.

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