Jack Posobiec reacts to the sudden death of Pope Francis, who was the first Latin American pope, and the first Pope to become Pope John Paul III, who died at the age of 88, and offers his thoughts and condolences to the millions of people who loved him.
00:00:53.900Thousands of people have already gathered.
00:00:55.960The Pope will be lying in state at St. Peter's Basilica.
00:00:58.680He was the 266th Pope and the first Latin American head of the Catholic Church.
00:01:03.660Everyone knew that he had been going through some health challenges, and he clearly appeared
00:01:09.780fragile and frail, but still in good spirits nonetheless.
00:01:14.320And no one could have imagined that after yesterday, just hours after he made his final public appearance, that he would pass away overnight.
00:01:24.820We are now hearing from President Donald Trump posting on truth, quote, rest in peace, Pope Francis, God bless him and all who loved him.
00:01:42.500Vice President J.D. Vance, he released a statement this morning saying, my heart goes out to the millions of Christians all over the world who loved him.
00:01:50.680I just signed an executive order putting the flags of our country, all of them, all federal flags and state flags at half-mast in honor of Pope Francis.
00:02:44.280So, when a pope dies, there is a process that takes place.
00:02:50.600The confirmation of death is made by the Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church, confirms it.
00:02:57.900The fisherman's ring, the signet, is then destroyed, signifying the end of his authority, the end of his papacy.
00:03:07.680Obviously, it also prevents misuse that he uses to seal official documents, papal bulls.
00:03:14.480Vatican has made the official announcement.
00:03:16.220We are now in the first of the nine days of mourning, during which, in the Vatican, all official church business and official proceedings will be halted with preparations for the burial of Pope Francis.
00:03:33.600And I have seen some reports, by the way, that he may not be, in fact, buried in the crypt beneath St. Peter's Basilica.
00:05:21.600I want to bring in the Charlie Kirk audience on the Salem Radio Network.
00:05:25.220On this day, where we woke up to news that we did not expect to find, although we are not
00:05:31.860surprised, the death of the pontiff, Pope Francis, dead at 88.
00:05:37.700And we actually already had Dr. Taylor Marshall, the author of Infiltration, a book all about how the deep church really has been working to change the immutable characteristics and the immutable principles of the church.
00:05:57.340And so, Dr. Marshall, I've got to get your initial reaction here.
00:06:04.660This is obviously someone you've written about quite extensively.
00:06:07.640You've spoken about quite extensively.
00:06:09.400But more to the point, we now have an opportunity within the church for the traditional and growing and, I would say, ascendant church being the traditional rite to finally have their voice heard.
00:06:46.820But what's on the minds of a lot of American Catholics, Argentinian Catholics, several countries in Europe where Pope Francis has not been favorable and have experienced scandals and confusions and questions about his leadership.
00:07:01.900This raises the question, will someone in his legacy continue to carry his torch or will there be a very sharp break?
00:07:11.500Will the cardinals elect a man that is noticeably against or contrary to the current trajectory?
00:07:19.700Because the last 12 years have been, in many demographics in the Catholic Church, one of decline.
00:07:26.820You still see tremendous growth in places like Africa and certain regions of Asia.
00:07:31.360I think a lot of that was already energized by missionary work that's been going on for decades and also population growth.
00:07:39.140But places where Christianity, Catholicism has been, you know, deeply rooted for centuries, there's been generally a confusion or dislike for Pope Francis.
00:07:49.300And I think the bishops and I think the bishops and I think the cardinals feel that.
00:07:53.120And so they're going to have to decide, can we continue to try to map a egalitarian, more liberal, more modern attempt of Catholicism over this 2000 year Catholic Church?
00:08:05.820Or do we need to elect a man who is going to be fervently orthodox Catholic and who's going to stand up on questions like abortion, same-sex marriage, you know, all these modern issues?
00:08:21.920Pope Francis has a reputation of being tolerant, liberalized, more open than obviously the last 2000 years.
00:08:30.560Pope Francis, that's really the question.
00:08:31.980So it's who's going to be the next Pope?
00:08:35.280And I have some thoughts on that if you want to talk about it.
00:08:39.180And but that's the question that you're going to be seeing discussed for the next two to three weeks.
00:08:53.680And by the way, and I'll just say it and I'll see if you agree with me.
00:08:56.740I said on War Room this morning that traditional Catholics, Latin Rite Catholics, whether you're in Europe, whether you're in America, if you can be there, if you have the means, go to Rome.
00:09:05.240Go to Rome for the conclave and be out there taking up space in St. Peter's Square so that they hear you inside the Sistine Chapel.
00:09:16.080It'll be in a little while, but when they're in there for the conclave, be outside praying in Latin, praying the rosary in Latin so loud that they can hear you from the inside.
00:09:27.300So they know, so they know that the traditional, the traditional aspect of the church, this is what's attracting Gen Z, particularly males, but men and women.
00:09:38.900You see the veils now, it's women over 60 and women under 30.
00:09:43.320And this past Easter, look, and I got reports from all across the country, churches were spilling out into the streets.
00:10:05.320Just a great kids movie for about Jesus.
00:10:08.180It's all about, and it's not just the passion, by the way, it's the whole from, it's from Bethlehem all the way to Christ's ascension, believe it or not, in that film.
00:10:17.440And something is clearly going on where people have had enough with the excesses of the secular world.
00:10:23.940Sorry, secularists, you guys had your shot.
00:10:32.040It's time for the return of traditional Christians, for Orthodox Catholics, or also, by the way, our Eastern brothers are coming on board now.
00:10:41.240Everybody's getting in line with that.
00:10:42.800So I think people need to get there because, Dr. Marshall, what I see is a real chance here for the traditional Catholic movement to actually have a voice inside that conclave and a direct impact on it.
00:11:14.560You mentioned, you know, the young women veiling in church, men that are 15 to 30.
00:11:20.160We saw, you know, Tulsi Gabbard's son willingly decided to join and become a Catholic this year.
00:11:25.420There are young people all over a college campus south of me had 70 young people baptized in the Catholic Church, a church on the street from me, 100 people over the Paschal weekend.
00:11:40.020And what's lacking right now, the feature that's lacking is a pope who is dynamically orthodox, biblical, liturgical, who's out in front leading the charge.
00:11:53.720Despite not having that, we're experiencing tremendous growth.
00:12:06.960If the cardinals, led by the Holy Spirit, elect a man who will make Catholics proud, Catholics can get behind him, not a pope who is more fitted for the United Nations or the European Union or the WHO or Davos, not that kind of pope, but a pope who was out there preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, even if it is unpopular.
00:13:08.760You just see it in churches where people are spilling out.
00:13:12.460You and I have spent the last five years talking about the growth of the Latin right mass, the TLM.
00:13:20.340And this has been something, by the way, it was spurned on by COVID, I think, in a way, because the modernists just completely collapsed, just completely collapsed in the face of real tyranny.
00:13:31.820And suddenly people said, I need to go somewhere that understands that God comes first, that Christ comes first.
00:13:40.440And it feels like these wishy-washy modernists are just not quite getting there.
00:13:46.180And by the way, you even see it in priests.
00:13:48.560People are noticing now that any priest under 40, you know, maybe even under 45, suddenly they're not liberal anymore.
00:13:55.440The new priests seem to be largely conservative.
00:13:59.220And we're seeing this bear out in the polls.
00:14:00.920Last 30 seconds in the segment, Dr. Taylor Marshall.
00:14:02.960Yeah, I think one of the most interesting elements here is that Cardinal Serra, who is a cardinal from Africa, who's been a Papa Bile, those are the cardinals who have a likely chance of becoming a pope, they're papable.
00:14:16.140He turns 80, which would cut him off from the election in about a month, I believe.
00:14:21.200And so the fact that Pope Francis has died and given a month, and it usually takes, you know, two to four weeks to elect a pope after the death of a pope.
00:14:30.880So the fact that we have this month window and Cardinal Serra is so popular and he has one month left, I think would really be an amazing Holy Spirit moment.
00:14:59.260All right, Jack Posobiec here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice, also the Charlie Kirk audience bringing you in on the third hour of the Salem Radio Network.
00:15:15.140We're on with Dr. Taylor Marshall, who is a traditional Catholic author.
00:15:19.780He also has a new book that's coming out.
00:15:22.080I want to make sure we have time to mention that.
00:15:23.840But Dr. Marshall, with the death of Pope Francis, who are some of the names, you mentioned Cardinal Serra, who are some of the names that you'd be looking for the conclave to really consider here to bridge this gap that we've seen, that we're talking about, that you've spent your entire career talking about between the modern church and the rise of the ascendant traditional church?
00:15:46.720Well, I think there's probably about 20 cardinals that have a good chance.
00:15:54.240There's a saying in Rome, you know, he who enters the conclave, a pope leaves a cardinal.
00:15:59.320That is, the cardinals who have probably the most people behind them going into the conclave tend not to be elected pope.
00:16:07.600There's often a usually there's there's there's there's two polarizing candidates and you need a two thirds majority to an elect to a pope.
00:16:18.940And so they can it's very hard to reach a two thirds majority.
00:16:22.240And so what happens is, is one side lets go of their candidate and the other side let go of their candidate and they find someone that they can all vote for.
00:16:30.620And that's that's the one who becomes pope.
00:16:33.300And you have a good graphic there on the screen of the papabile.
00:16:35.620I think for traditional Catholics, they're looking at a few cardinals.
00:18:15.580I think Robert's Cardinal Robert Sarah represents that another cardinal that I think is more of a moderate, but somewhat conservative cardinal is Cardinal Peter Erdo.
00:18:31.300Are familiar, you know, with the conservative reforms in Hungary, trying to raise birth rates, trying to promote families.
00:18:39.520He represents the old guard of Europe, but he's not liberal and he's more of an administrator.
00:18:49.300He's not really known for being a theologian or writing, you know, theological treatises, but he is known for being more conservative.
00:18:56.240And I think he would not only be tolerant of traditional Catholics, but he would he would give them, you know, rights and freedom and expansion.
00:19:03.000So I see him as a very likely candidate, especially if they go into the conclave with two extremes.
00:19:11.100I can see them coming to him because, A, he's moderate to to right.
00:19:17.080And I hate to use these political terms, but just for the sake of brevity on your show, he's moderate to right.
00:19:24.000And he's he's European, you know, and there's there is kind of this idea that we need to kind of keep things rooted in Europe, though.
00:19:30.460I think that's a road. They do that. It does tend to be that way.
00:19:33.540Dr. Marshall, we've we've only got one minute left.
00:19:36.320I know you've got to run. I want to be respectful of your time.
00:19:38.680Tell us real quick about a little bit of a preview of your upcoming book.
00:19:42.920Yes, I've got a great book coming out.
00:19:44.580It's called Christian Patriot, 12 ways to create one nation under God.
00:19:49.100And we have seen the United States of America, an amazing transformation over the last several months.
00:19:56.160And I think a lot of people are thinking, well, what's next? What can we do?
00:19:59.040And I just give the history of America and also Christian politics going back 2000 years of what Christians have been able to accomplish in creating a Christian conservative culture.
00:20:11.040And I argue in the book, it's not enough to just be conservative.
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00:26:10.740Cardinal Raymond Burke of the United States, an American traditionalist.
00:26:14.080Burke has clashed with Francis on issues like marriage, the Eucharist, same-sex marriage.
00:26:19.620He's a long shot, but he represents a more conservative vocal faction.
00:26:25.000My sources think Burke would launch major reforms to strengthen the church until young Catholics who are overwhelmingly conservative are ready to take the helm.
00:26:33.300Then there's Cardinal Peter Erdo of Hungary, 72, a conservative canon lawyer, respected for his adherence to church doctrine and his kind of low-profile approach.
00:26:45.320He, again, would attract some moderate and conservative votes to the extent that there are conservative votes.
00:26:51.800Remember, the current pope appointed 80 percent of the electorate in this particular election.
00:26:57.880And then, of course, there's Cardinal Mario Grish of Malta.
00:27:01.760He is the secretary general of the Synod of Bishops.
00:27:05.740He's a Francis appointee with an extremely progressive bent, emphasizing dialogue with marginalized groups.
00:27:13.480So if I had my pick, I would take Cardinal Robert Serra of Guinea.
00:27:19.020He's a staunch conservative, a defender of the faith in the church, believes in borders, believes in the rules of the West.
00:27:25.340We really couldn't do better than Cardinal Robert Serra of Guinea.
00:27:29.180So, Roger, for folks that aren't even familiar with the way the College of Cardinals works, for the understanding of them, to be able to be voted on at all, one must be a member of the Cardinals.
00:27:45.740And so this is your highest rung of the prelates of the church, other than the papacy itself.
00:27:52.240From those ranks, someone must be chosen.
00:27:55.380It doesn't have to be a Cardinal, but it is generally a Cardinal.
00:27:58.400And I believe one of the requirements is that they must be under 80 years old.
00:28:02.500That is one of the great disadvantages.
00:28:05.300It's one thing to say that the Pope should be under 80, but to deny a vote among the Cardinals for those Cardinals who are over 80 years, this makes no sense to me.
00:28:14.620In fact, somebody who's 80 years old would be very wise.
00:28:36.560And this is a new—so basically the idea is then that creates basically a quorum of people who were not appointed by previous popes, so Benedict or any of the John Paul II Cardinals, if they're still around, that they wouldn't be able to participate in the voting.
00:28:52.880And then it sets itself up in such a way where Francis essentially is sort of giving the inside track to his own successor.
00:29:00.660Do you believe that Pope Francis has picked a successor?
00:29:07.880Look, it's disappointing because, Jack, like you, when I was raised in the church, it was a bulk work of anti-communism.
00:29:15.640I watched, you know, Father Fulton Sheen on WPIX in New York growing up.
00:29:23.980That Catholic church does not seem to exist except for in certain parishes, and outspoken conservatives like Bergano and others are actually excommunicated when they disagree with this pope.
00:29:37.360Now, I've seen this pope say that the Bible specifically says that Jesus Christ was opposed to private property rights.
00:30:21.480In fact, there are many items of doctrine, capital punishment and others that have been longstanding practices within the church that Pope Francis and the Jesuit, and he is of the Jesuit stripe, that have sought to overturn a doctrine that has been in touch for a long time.
00:30:39.480And by the way, this is also, and we've been discussing it here on the show, I had an op-ed on humanevents.com that went quite viral because we've been discussing the effect that this has had on one Amy Coney Barrett,
00:30:53.260where she seems to have taken Pope Francis' words and rhetoric over the actual doctrine of the church and certainly over the jurisprudence of the Supreme Court itself and the Constitution itself and is taking sort of these ideas of Pope Francis and seemingly putting them into her decisions,
00:31:15.000rather than looking at the longstanding practices of the church, if she is, as she claims to be, a practicing Catholic.
00:31:24.900What about all of the popes prior to Pope Francis, who have been in longstanding opposition to many of the things that he said?
00:31:32.960Well, she seems to be applying that to her voting now, and it has led to situations where she'll say that the President of the United States doesn't even have authority to defund programs.
00:31:45.000You know, back at the time that she was under consideration, the great argument was that she was a great pro-life champion.
00:31:55.160I was skeptical about her appointment then.
00:31:58.360Think how different things would be if President Trump had appointed Judge Andrew Napolitano to the court, which is who I think he should have appointed.
00:32:07.020Gorsuch is somewhat of a libertarian, being joined on the court by Napolitano, another libertarian.
00:32:14.680We have a very different day today on the so-called Roberts Court.
00:32:19.600Amy Comey Barrett has been a horrific disappointment.
00:32:25.100Frankly, so has Kavanaugh, but if you knew, understood Kavanaugh's ties to the Clintons and the Bushes,
00:32:31.100you would have understood that prior to his being appointed as well.
00:32:36.300I think that's very sound, and I think it's something where, look, you know, a lot of us have talked about this,
00:32:43.620and I came out with a, you know, perhaps a little bit provocative article, but hey, you know, it's kind of on brand for me,
00:32:49.680where I said that this shows the danger of Republican DEI because people kept saying we need to nominate a woman to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
00:32:58.260We need to, Trump needs to nominate a woman because it was an election year.
00:33:02.140It was 2020 at the time, and as it turned out, it had no effect on the election whatsoever.
00:33:06.880Obviously, there are a lot of other issues with the 2020 election, but it's also painted us into a corner where just because she was pro-life,
00:33:14.700and certainly there's no shortage of pro-life conservatives in the legal field,
00:33:19.880now we've got someone who's essentially a pro-life liberal on the court for the rest of her life.
00:37:24.080Churches are spilling out coast to coast, whether it's evangelical, that's biblical-based, whether it's the Orthodox Catholic, the traditional Latin Mass,
00:37:35.800whether it is the Orthodox Christian, which had their Easter on the same date for once in, you know, once in a lifetime, actually was on the same date.
00:37:47.340And what is one of the things that predicated those miracles?
00:37:51.920Well, it was the miracle we saw last year on July 13th, the divine intervention in a field in Butler.
00:37:59.320So when all of these things are happening now, and you've got movies that are positively portraying Jesus Christ as being the top box office attractions.
00:38:12.600Plus, by the way, I hear, not that I'm, you know, someone who watches this, but American Idol, for the very first time ever, just found this out last night, did a three-hour special all about Easter with songs of faith only.
00:38:28.900For the first time in American Idol's history, the White House putting out the gospel, quoting the gospel one year after, on Easter Sunday, the White House was celebrating, under Joe Biden, or whoever was actually controlling the auto pen, the Transgender Day of Visibility.