Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Holy Monday and the Passing of Pope Francis - Who's Next？

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00:00:50.480 Christ is king.

00:00:52.020 Pope Francis has passed away.

00:00:53.900 Thousands of people have already gathered.

00:00:55.960 The Pope will be lying in state at St. Peter's Basilica.

00:00:58.680 He was the 266th Pope and the first Latin American head of the Catholic Church.

00:01:03.660 Everyone knew that he had been going through some health challenges, and he clearly appeared

00:01:09.780 fragile and frail, but still in good spirits nonetheless.

00:01:14.320 And no one could have imagined that after yesterday, just hours after he made his final public appearance, that he would pass away overnight.

00:01:24.820 We are now hearing from President Donald Trump posting on truth, quote, rest in peace, Pope Francis, God bless him and all who loved him.

00:01:42.500 Vice President J.D. Vance, he released a statement this morning saying, my heart goes out to the millions of Christians all over the world who loved him.

00:01:49.380 And may God rest his soul.

00:01:50.680 I just signed an executive order putting the flags of our country, all of them, all federal flags and state flags at half-mast in honor of Pope Francis.

00:02:01.980 He was a good man, worked hard.

00:02:05.440 He loved the world.

00:02:06.600 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.

00:02:08.140 Today's edition of Human Events Daily, here live in Washington, D.C.

00:02:13.780 Today is Holy Monday, April 21st, 2025, Anno Domini.

00:02:20.660 Sede vacante, sede vacante, sede vacante.

00:02:25.700 The seat is vacant.

00:02:28.960 The fisherman's ring has been broken.

00:02:32.520 Pope Francis' authority has ended.

00:02:34.900 Pope Francis has passed on.

00:02:40.560 Rescuiat impache.

00:02:44.280 So, when a pope dies, there is a process that takes place.

00:02:50.600 The confirmation of death is made by the Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church, confirms it. 0.99

00:02:57.900 The fisherman's ring, the signet, is then destroyed, signifying the end of his authority, the end of his papacy.

00:03:07.680 Obviously, it also prevents misuse that he uses to seal official documents, papal bulls.

00:03:14.480 Vatican has made the official announcement.

00:03:16.220 We are now in the first of the nine days of mourning, during which, in the Vatican, all official church business and official proceedings will be halted with preparations for the burial of Pope Francis.

00:03:33.600 And I have seen some reports, by the way, that he may not be, in fact, buried in the crypt beneath St. Peter's Basilica.

00:03:42.420 So, we will look for that.

00:03:45.240 Next, of course, as everyone knows, the conclave of cardinals, the curia, will meet to choose the next pope.

00:03:53.480 And, in fact, the conclave will be held, as is tradition, within the confines of the Sistine Chapel itself, behind the closed doors.

00:04:04.220 Only cardinals under 80 years old will now be eligible to vote.

00:04:09.440 And so, this will happen within about two weeks.

00:04:13.620 And, of course, as the votes are taken, they are then burned.

00:04:17.760 And, if no pope is chosen in the vote, black smoke will appear above the Sistine Chapel, in the chimney.

00:04:27.140 When a pope is, in fact, elected, white smoke will appear.

00:04:32.440 And so, I say to all the traditional Catholics out there, get to Rome, if you can. 1.00

00:04:40.480 Be outside the conclave.

00:04:43.380 Pray the rosary loudly in Latin.

00:04:45.960 Make your voices heard.

00:04:48.640 Now is the time for the traditional ascendance.

00:04:52.280 Because we are in a traditional awakening here in the Western Church.

00:04:57.420 Make your voices heard.

00:04:59.760 We will have a pope that believes in the traditional rites of the Catholic faith.

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00:05:17.700 All right, folks.

00:05:18.240 Jack Posobiec.

00:05:19.140 And we're back here.

00:05:20.280 Real America's Voice as well.

00:05:21.600 I want to bring in the Charlie Kirk audience on the Salem Radio Network.

00:05:25.220 On this day, where we woke up to news that we did not expect to find, although we are not

00:05:31.860 surprised, the death of the pontiff, Pope Francis, dead at 88.

00:05:37.700 And we actually already had Dr. Taylor Marshall, the author of Infiltration, a book all about how the deep church really has been working to change the immutable characteristics and the immutable principles of the church.

00:05:57.340 And so, Dr. Marshall, I've got to get your initial reaction here.

00:06:04.660 This is obviously someone you've written about quite extensively.

00:06:07.640 You've spoken about quite extensively.

00:06:09.400 But more to the point, we now have an opportunity within the church for the traditional and growing and, I would say, ascendant church being the traditional rite to finally have their voice heard.

00:06:25.440 Dr. Marshall.

00:06:26.560 Thanks for having me on.

00:06:28.080 Christ is risen.

00:06:28.980 Alleluia.

00:06:30.560 Alleluia.

00:06:32.240 Christ is king.

00:06:32.720 Yeah, I mean, first off, may he rest in peace.

00:06:37.640 May he receive mercy in the afterlife.

00:06:40.100 We pray and commend all souls to God's mercy and to their forgiveness.

00:06:44.640 And so we pray for that.

00:06:46.820 But what's on the minds of a lot of American Catholics, Argentinian Catholics, several countries in Europe where Pope Francis has not been favorable and have experienced scandals and confusions and questions about his leadership.

00:07:01.900 This raises the question, will someone in his legacy continue to carry his torch or will there be a very sharp break?

00:07:11.500 Will the cardinals elect a man that is noticeably against or contrary to the current trajectory?

00:07:19.700 Because the last 12 years have been, in many demographics in the Catholic Church, one of decline.

00:07:26.820 You still see tremendous growth in places like Africa and certain regions of Asia.

00:07:31.360 I think a lot of that was already energized by missionary work that's been going on for decades and also population growth.

00:07:39.140 But places where Christianity, Catholicism has been, you know, deeply rooted for centuries, there's been generally a confusion or dislike for Pope Francis.

00:07:49.300 And I think the bishops and I think the bishops and I think the cardinals feel that.

00:07:53.120 And so they're going to have to decide, can we continue to try to map a egalitarian, more liberal, more modern attempt of Catholicism over this 2000 year Catholic Church?

00:08:05.820 Or do we need to elect a man who is going to be fervently orthodox Catholic and who's going to stand up on questions like abortion, same-sex marriage, you know, all these modern issues?

00:08:21.920 Pope Francis has a reputation of being tolerant, liberalized, more open than obviously the last 2000 years.

00:08:30.560 Pope Francis, that's really the question.

00:08:31.980 So it's who's going to be the next Pope?

00:08:35.280 And I have some thoughts on that if you want to talk about it.

00:08:39.180 And but that's the question that you're going to be seeing discussed for the next two to three weeks.

00:08:45.200 Who is the next Pope?

00:08:47.160 And what is he going to represent for the next five, 10, 15 years?

00:08:51.260 I think we should talk about it.

00:08:53.680 And by the way, and I'll just say it and I'll see if you agree with me.

00:08:56.740 I said on War Room this morning that traditional Catholics, Latin Rite Catholics, whether you're in Europe, whether you're in America, if you can be there, if you have the means, go to Rome. 0.60

00:09:05.240 Go to Rome for the conclave and be out there taking up space in St. Peter's Square so that they hear you inside the Sistine Chapel.

00:09:14.040 That's where the votes take place.

00:09:15.240 It's not going to be right away.

00:09:16.080 It'll be in a little while, but when they're in there for the conclave, be outside praying in Latin, praying the rosary in Latin so loud that they can hear you from the inside.

00:09:27.300 So they know, so they know that the traditional, the traditional aspect of the church, this is what's attracting Gen Z, particularly males, but men and women.

00:09:38.900 You see the veils now, it's women over 60 and women under 30. 1.00

00:09:43.320 And this past Easter, look, and I got reports from all across the country, churches were spilling out into the streets.

00:09:50.340 There were cars up and down the road.

00:09:52.300 This was an Easter unlike any we've ever seen in our lifetime because something is happening.

00:09:57.700 You've got Christian movies that are, you know, selling out coast to coast.

00:10:02.160 Christ, you know, King of Kings.

00:10:03.960 We took the kids to see that.

00:10:05.320 Just a great kids movie for about Jesus.

00:10:08.180 It's all about, and it's not just the passion, by the way, it's the whole from, it's from Bethlehem all the way to Christ's ascension, believe it or not, in that film.

00:10:17.440 And something is clearly going on where people have had enough with the excesses of the secular world.

00:10:23.940 Sorry, secularists, you guys had your shot. 0.91

00:10:26.600 You blew it on COVID.

00:10:28.200 You blew it on these wars of aggression.

00:10:30.460 We're done with it.

00:10:31.140 We're done with all of it.

00:10:32.040 It's time for the return of traditional Christians, for Orthodox Catholics, or also, by the way, our Eastern brothers are coming on board now.

00:10:41.240 Everybody's getting in line with that.

00:10:42.800 So I think people need to get there because, Dr. Marshall, what I see is a real chance here for the traditional Catholic movement to actually have a voice inside that conclave and a direct impact on it.

00:10:58.180 You've nailed it.

00:10:59.080 You're exactly correct.

00:11:00.120 And, you know, my wife and I, over coffee this morning, discussing the death of the Pope, we were discussing exactly what you said.

00:11:07.740 You know, everything is in place.

00:11:10.700 You know, we have the onboarding of traditional Catholics.

00:11:13.600 We have young people.

00:11:14.560 You mentioned, you know, the young women veiling in church, men that are 15 to 30.

00:11:20.160 We saw, you know, Tulsi Gabbard's son willingly decided to join and become a Catholic this year.

00:11:25.420 There are young people all over a college campus south of me had 70 young people baptized in the Catholic Church, a church on the street from me, 100 people over the Paschal weekend.

00:11:38.020 And so there's a huge swell.

00:11:40.020 And what's lacking right now, the feature that's lacking is a pope who is dynamically orthodox, biblical, liturgical, who's out in front leading the charge.

00:11:53.720 Despite not having that, we're experiencing tremendous growth.

00:11:58.200 And it's not just in the U.S.

00:11:59.420 France is seeing tremendous numbers over the weekend.

00:12:02.600 And so this is the moment.

00:12:05.940 This is the moment.

00:12:06.960 If the cardinals, led by the Holy Spirit, elect a man who will make Catholics proud, Catholics can get behind him, not a pope who is more fitted for the United Nations or the European Union or the WHO or Davos, not that kind of pope, but a pope who was out there preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, even if it is unpopular.

00:12:32.000 Even if it gets them in trouble.

00:12:34.300 If they get that, wait till next Easter, Jack.

00:12:37.840 Next Easter will be fivefold.

00:12:40.160 It'll be tremendous.

00:12:41.220 So that's what we need to see.

00:12:44.400 It's what we need to see.

00:12:46.880 And these ideas of, and look, you know, we had Roger Stone on, you know, about a month ago walking us through this.

00:12:54.640 And we're going to play some of that video later, go through the different cardinals.

00:12:58.400 But when it comes down to it, look, there's a movement that has now taken place that I think is bigger than anyone realized.

00:13:05.980 You see it in polling.

00:13:07.700 You see it in churches.

00:13:08.760 You just see it in churches where people are spilling out.

00:13:12.460 You and I have spent the last five years talking about the growth of the Latin right mass, the TLM.

00:13:20.340 And this has been something, by the way, it was spurned on by COVID, I think, in a way, because the modernists just completely collapsed, just completely collapsed in the face of real tyranny.

00:13:31.820 And suddenly people said, I need to go somewhere that understands that God comes first, that Christ comes first.

00:13:40.440 And it feels like these wishy-washy modernists are just not quite getting there.

00:13:46.180 And by the way, you even see it in priests.

00:13:48.560 People are noticing now that any priest under 40, you know, maybe even under 45, suddenly they're not liberal anymore.

00:13:55.440 The new priests seem to be largely conservative.

00:13:59.220 And we're seeing this bear out in the polls.

00:14:00.920 Last 30 seconds in the segment, Dr. Taylor Marshall.

00:14:02.960 Yeah, I think one of the most interesting elements here is that Cardinal Serra, who is a cardinal from Africa, who's been a Papa Bile, those are the cardinals who have a likely chance of becoming a pope, they're papable.

00:14:16.140 He turns 80, which would cut him off from the election in about a month, I believe.

00:14:21.200 And so the fact that Pope Francis has died and given a month, and it usually takes, you know, two to four weeks to elect a pope after the death of a pope.

00:14:30.880 So the fact that we have this month window and Cardinal Serra is so popular and he has one month left, I think would really be an amazing Holy Spirit moment.

00:14:41.900 Let's get into that.

00:14:42.780 Let's get into that in the next segment here.

00:14:44.440 Dr. Taylor Marshall, the death of Pope Francis.

00:14:53.440 You know, they talk about influences.

00:14:55.820 These are influences.

00:14:57.740 And they're friends of mine.

00:14:59.260 All right, Jack Posobiec here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice, also the Charlie Kirk audience bringing you in on the third hour of the Salem Radio Network.

00:15:15.140 We're on with Dr. Taylor Marshall, who is a traditional Catholic author.

00:15:19.780 He also has a new book that's coming out.

00:15:22.080 I want to make sure we have time to mention that.

00:15:23.840 But Dr. Marshall, with the death of Pope Francis, who are some of the names, you mentioned Cardinal Serra, who are some of the names that you'd be looking for the conclave to really consider here to bridge this gap that we've seen, that we're talking about, that you've spent your entire career talking about between the modern church and the rise of the ascendant traditional church?

00:15:46.720 Well, I think there's probably about 20 cardinals that have a good chance.

00:15:54.240 There's a saying in Rome, you know, he who enters the conclave, a pope leaves a cardinal.

00:15:59.320 That is, the cardinals who have probably the most people behind them going into the conclave tend not to be elected pope.

00:16:07.600 There's often a usually there's there's there's there's two polarizing candidates and you need a two thirds majority to an elect to a pope.

00:16:18.940 And so they can it's very hard to reach a two thirds majority.

00:16:22.240 And so what happens is, is one side lets go of their candidate and the other side let go of their candidate and they find someone that they can all vote for.

00:16:30.620 And that's that's the one who becomes pope.

00:16:33.300 And you have a good graphic there on the screen of the papabile.

00:16:35.620 I think for traditional Catholics, they're looking at a few cardinals.

00:16:41.700 We already mentioned Cardinal Sarah.

00:16:43.640 He's from Africa.

00:16:44.820 He's the third from the left on there.

00:16:48.280 He he represent, you know, he worked in the Vatican for for the pope on sacraments and the liturgy.

00:16:56.840 He's not like a hardcore traditionalist like Latin mass only all the time.

00:17:02.100 But he was tolerant of it.

00:17:03.740 He said even in the in the new mass, the vernacular mass, there should be ad orientum.

00:17:09.540 He's more of an advocate for commune on the hand, communion rails.

00:17:12.980 You know, the aesthetics of what you would see in Catholicism before 1965.

00:17:17.940 You know, you can think of any great Catholic movie you've seen, like the bells of St.

00:17:23.080 Mary or the Cardinal or any of those old movies, that aesthetic.

00:17:27.360 And it's not just an aesthetic.

00:17:28.720 It's a theology.

00:17:29.480 But but what you see there, Cardinal Sarah and you can remember the African Christians in many of these places.

00:17:36.320 Some of the African Christians go back like in Egypt all the way back to the first century, St. 1.00

00:17:40.640 Mark. But most of them were evangelized in the last 100 years.

00:17:44.700 So they're they're great parents.

00:17:46.480 They're great grandparents.

00:17:47.360 They were not baptized.

00:17:48.800 They were not Christian. 0.99

00:17:49.980 And so when they received Christianity, they received it in the traditional Latin, right?

00:17:56.100 And I have a friend who's who said his his parents and grandparents were very disappointed in the 60s and 70s.

00:18:02.140 They had memorized all the Latin chants.

00:18:04.680 And the new missionaries came, the kind of modern liberal guys like, no, you got to beat on these drums.

00:18:09.900 You got to be Africans during mass. 1.00

00:18:11.500 And like, no, we want to chant the Latin.

00:18:14.080 So that's kind of their background.

00:18:15.580 I think Robert's Cardinal Robert Sarah represents that another cardinal that I think is more of a moderate, but somewhat conservative cardinal is Cardinal Peter Erdo.

00:18:27.560 He is the cardinal from Hungary.

00:18:30.420 Hungary, right?

00:18:31.300 Are familiar, you know, with the conservative reforms in Hungary, trying to raise birth rates, trying to promote families.

00:18:39.520 He represents the old guard of Europe, but he's not liberal and he's more of an administrator.

00:18:49.300 He's not really known for being a theologian or writing, you know, theological treatises, but he is known for being more conservative.

00:18:56.240 And I think he would not only be tolerant of traditional Catholics, but he would he would give them, you know, rights and freedom and expansion.

00:19:03.000 So I see him as a very likely candidate, especially if they go into the conclave with two extremes.

00:19:11.100 I can see them coming to him because, A, he's moderate to to right.

00:19:17.080 And I hate to use these political terms, but just for the sake of brevity on your show, he's moderate to right.

00:19:24.000 And he's he's European, you know, and there's there is kind of this idea that we need to kind of keep things rooted in Europe, though.

00:19:30.460 I think that's a road. They do that. It does tend to be that way.

00:19:33.540 Dr. Marshall, we've we've only got one minute left.

00:19:36.320 I know you've got to run. I want to be respectful of your time.

00:19:38.680 Tell us real quick about a little bit of a preview of your upcoming book.

00:19:42.920 Yes, I've got a great book coming out.

00:19:44.580 It's called Christian Patriot, 12 ways to create one nation under God.

00:19:49.100 And we have seen the United States of America, an amazing transformation over the last several months.

00:19:56.160 And I think a lot of people are thinking, well, what's next? What can we do?

00:19:59.040 And I just give the history of America and also Christian politics going back 2000 years of what Christians have been able to accomplish in creating a Christian conservative culture.

00:20:11.040 And I argue in the book, it's not enough to just be conservative.

00:20:15.200 We have to be based on God.

00:20:17.180 We have to be based on natural law.

00:20:18.680 And it's OK for us also to be based on Christianity.

00:20:22.220 Christianity. Everyone expects, you know, like, oh, Israel is a Jewish country. 1.00

00:20:26.060 All these Arab countries are Muslim countries.

00:20:28.060 You say, oh, I think this Western country should be Christian. 1.00

00:20:30.920 Everybody thinks, oh, that's, you know, from from day one.

00:20:34.800 From day one, America has had a Christian majority and maintained a Christian majority, even in the face of everything. 0.67

00:20:42.640 Dr. Taylor Marshall, go give him a follow.

00:20:45.040 The book is Christian Patriot.

00:20:48.320 Go check that out as soon as it drops.

00:20:50.200 We'll be right back here.

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00:20:53.220 Jack Posobiec.

00:20:59.780 And Jack, where is Jack?

00:21:02.980 Where is Jack?

00:21:05.140 Where is he?

00:21:06.440 Jack, I want to see you.

00:21:10.080 Great job, Jack.

00:21:11.620 Thank you.

00:21:12.380 What a job you do.

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00:21:15.220 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.

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00:21:21.280 All right, folks, we're back.

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00:22:27.900 I want to bring in now a clip from a show we did a couple of weeks ago with Roger Stone on who will be the next pope.

00:22:35.940 Roger, when you apply the art of political prognostication or election prognostication to something like the papacy,

00:22:44.060 is it much different from when you're looking at, say, a seat in Congress or a presidential race?

00:22:48.540 You know, people tell you that the church or the military is not political.

00:22:53.340 And, of course, they're entirely political, Jack.

00:22:55.800 So let's look at the process.

00:22:58.000 If the pope goes on to meet his maker, you would have what is called a conclave.

00:23:03.740 This is a gathering of all the popes from around the world.

00:23:07.200 With the exception of those over 80, they are not permitted to vote.

00:23:12.160 That is a significant setback for the more conservative elements of the church.

00:23:17.300 But it's based on a rule that came out of Vatican II.

00:23:21.280 So of the current College of Cardinals, 80 percent of them were chosen by Francis,

00:23:26.520 who by any measure would have to be considered one of the most progressive popes in recent memory.

00:23:33.500 Anyway, these elections, there's a cap and the number can slightly differ.

00:23:39.280 The cap on the number of votes they meet in the Sistine Chapel.

00:23:42.560 They're essentially locked in and they keep balloting until they have one candidate with a majority.

00:23:51.320 Each one of the cardinals writes the name of their chosen candidate on a slip of paper,

00:23:55.980 folds it, places it in a chalice on the altar.

00:23:59.100 The ballots are counted by three scrutineers.

00:24:02.620 And to win, a candidate needs two-thirds of the majority of the votes.

00:24:06.240 If nobody gets a majority, those ballots are burned with a chemical that smokes black.

00:24:12.180 And therefore, the smoke you see rising from the roof of the Sistine Chapel is black means they do not yet have a pope.

00:24:19.300 Only when they have a pope do they use a different chemical mix and the smoke is white.

00:24:27.040 The words, hey, be miss, paper, meaning we have a pope, is announced from the balcony.

00:24:32.160 Now you look at the jockeying.

00:24:34.340 Here we go.

00:24:35.240 Cardinal Pietro Perolini, 70, of Italy.

00:24:38.800 He's the Vatican's secretary of state.

00:24:41.660 Perolini may be the current frontrunner if there is one.

00:24:44.860 He's a moderate with extensive diplomatic experience.

00:24:47.800 He's viewed kind of as a continuum of the current pope.

00:24:51.800 Although he has some controversial dealings, such as the Vatican's agreement with China,

00:24:57.100 that could complicate his candidacy.

00:24:59.320 Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle of the Philippines, known as the Asian Francis.

00:25:05.140 He's, again, a leader of the progressive wing of the church, and he follows the current pope's pastoral approach.

00:25:13.820 My sources tell me that he'd be the worst and probably the most left wing of the choices.

00:25:19.300 Cardinal Matteo Zuppi of Italy, another favorite of Pope Francis.

00:25:24.440 Zuppi is president of the Italian Episcopal Conference and a moderate known for his social justice advocacy.

00:25:31.920 Cardinal Friedland Ambrogo Basungi of the Congo.

00:25:36.760 He's a strong conservative voice.

00:25:39.040 I guess in a perfect world, he'd probably be my first choice.

00:25:42.700 He's a terrific long shot.

00:25:44.380 Remember, Jack, that 80 percent of these voters were appointed by the current pope.

00:25:49.600 Cardinal Wim Ejit, a former doctor, another conservative known for actually opposing Francis' views on marriage and abortion.

00:26:00.660 Pardon me, marriage and divorce.

00:26:02.860 His traditionalist stance would appeal to some cardinals to rebalance current reforms.

00:26:08.740 But he, again, is a long shot.

00:26:10.740 Cardinal Raymond Burke of the United States, an American traditionalist.

00:26:14.080 Burke has clashed with Francis on issues like marriage, the Eucharist, same-sex marriage.

00:26:19.620 He's a long shot, but he represents a more conservative vocal faction.

00:26:25.000 My sources think Burke would launch major reforms to strengthen the church until young Catholics who are overwhelmingly conservative are ready to take the helm.

00:26:33.300 Then there's Cardinal Peter Erdo of Hungary, 72, a conservative canon lawyer, respected for his adherence to church doctrine and his kind of low-profile approach.

00:26:45.320 He, again, would attract some moderate and conservative votes to the extent that there are conservative votes.

00:26:51.800 Remember, the current pope appointed 80 percent of the electorate in this particular election.

00:26:57.880 And then, of course, there's Cardinal Mario Grish of Malta.

00:27:01.760 He is the secretary general of the Synod of Bishops.

00:27:05.740 He's a Francis appointee with an extremely progressive bent, emphasizing dialogue with marginalized groups.

00:27:13.480 So if I had my pick, I would take Cardinal Robert Serra of Guinea.

00:27:17.860 He'd be my first choice.

00:27:19.020 He's a staunch conservative, a defender of the faith in the church, believes in borders, believes in the rules of the West.

00:27:25.340 We really couldn't do better than Cardinal Robert Serra of Guinea.

00:27:29.180 So, Roger, for folks that aren't even familiar with the way the College of Cardinals works, for the understanding of them, to be able to be voted on at all, one must be a member of the Cardinals.

00:27:45.740 And so this is your highest rung of the prelates of the church, other than the papacy itself.

00:27:52.240 From those ranks, someone must be chosen.

00:27:55.380 It doesn't have to be a Cardinal, but it is generally a Cardinal.

00:27:58.400 And I believe one of the requirements is that they must be under 80 years old.

00:28:02.500 That is one of the great disadvantages.

00:28:05.300 It's one thing to say that the Pope should be under 80, but to deny a vote among the Cardinals for those Cardinals who are over 80 years, this makes no sense to me.

00:28:14.620 In fact, somebody who's 80 years old would be very wise.

00:28:17.460 That's someone you would want voting.

00:28:19.780 We had a president, Ronald Reagan.

00:28:22.200 He was 80 when he left office.

00:28:24.480 He was among our greatest presidents.

00:28:26.340 I think Donald Trump is 77.

00:28:28.840 Why would you exclude those over 80, unless, of course, it's politics, which is what this is about?

00:28:35.600 Well, that's right.

00:28:36.560 And this is a new—so basically the idea is then that creates basically a quorum of people who were not appointed by previous popes, so Benedict or any of the John Paul II Cardinals, if they're still around, that they wouldn't be able to participate in the voting.

00:28:52.880 And then it sets itself up in such a way where Francis essentially is sort of giving the inside track to his own successor.

00:29:00.660 Do you believe that Pope Francis has picked a successor?

00:29:05.620 My guess is he probably has.

00:29:07.880 Look, it's disappointing because, Jack, like you, when I was raised in the church, it was a bulk work of anti-communism.

00:29:15.640 I watched, you know, Father Fulton Sheen on WPIX in New York growing up.

00:29:23.980 That Catholic church does not seem to exist except for in certain parishes, and outspoken conservatives like Bergano and others are actually excommunicated when they disagree with this pope.

00:29:37.360 Now, I've seen this pope say that the Bible specifically says that Jesus Christ was opposed to private property rights.

00:29:45.320 That's not true.

00:29:46.360 That's false.

00:29:47.860 So, look, the Bible is a practical document.

00:29:50.720 I didn't always know this.

00:29:51.720 I know it today, and it can be read for its literal word.

00:29:56.500 But some of the things that have been projected onto it are shocking.

00:30:00.460 Yes, as Catholics, we have to have a concern for the poor.

00:30:04.340 But in both the Old Testament and the New, hard work is highly prized, self-enterprise and self-responsibility.

00:30:14.120 These are also enumerated in the Bible.

00:30:16.620 You wouldn't know it from this pope.

00:30:19.900 Well, that's exactly right, Roger.

00:30:21.480 In fact, there are many items of doctrine, capital punishment and others that have been longstanding practices within the church that Pope Francis and the Jesuit, and he is of the Jesuit stripe, that have sought to overturn a doctrine that has been in touch for a long time.

00:30:39.480 And by the way, this is also, and we've been discussing it here on the show, I had an op-ed on humanevents.com that went quite viral because we've been discussing the effect that this has had on one Amy Coney Barrett,

00:30:53.260 where she seems to have taken Pope Francis' words and rhetoric over the actual doctrine of the church and certainly over the jurisprudence of the Supreme Court itself and the Constitution itself and is taking sort of these ideas of Pope Francis and seemingly putting them into her decisions,

00:31:15.000 rather than looking at the longstanding practices of the church, if she is, as she claims to be, a practicing Catholic.

00:31:20.940 What about Thomas Aquinas?

00:31:22.480 What about Augustine of Hippo?

00:31:23.860 What about the church fathers?

00:31:24.900 What about all of the popes prior to Pope Francis, who have been in longstanding opposition to many of the things that he said?

00:31:32.960 Well, she seems to be applying that to her voting now, and it has led to situations where she'll say that the President of the United States doesn't even have authority to defund programs.

00:31:45.000 You know, back at the time that she was under consideration, the great argument was that she was a great pro-life champion.

00:31:55.160 I was skeptical about her appointment then.

00:31:58.360 Think how different things would be if President Trump had appointed Judge Andrew Napolitano to the court, which is who I think he should have appointed.

00:32:07.020 Gorsuch is somewhat of a libertarian, being joined on the court by Napolitano, another libertarian.

00:32:14.680 We have a very different day today on the so-called Roberts Court.

00:32:19.600 Amy Comey Barrett has been a horrific disappointment.

00:32:25.100 Frankly, so has Kavanaugh, but if you knew, understood Kavanaugh's ties to the Clintons and the Bushes,

00:32:31.100 you would have understood that prior to his being appointed as well.

00:32:36.300 I think that's very sound, and I think it's something where, look, you know, a lot of us have talked about this,

00:32:43.620 and I came out with a, you know, perhaps a little bit provocative article, but hey, you know, it's kind of on brand for me,

00:32:49.680 where I said that this shows the danger of Republican DEI because people kept saying we need to nominate a woman to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

00:32:58.260 We need to, Trump needs to nominate a woman because it was an election year. 1.00

00:33:02.140 It was 2020 at the time, and as it turned out, it had no effect on the election whatsoever.

00:33:06.880 Obviously, there are a lot of other issues with the 2020 election, but it's also painted us into a corner where just because she was pro-life,

00:33:14.700 and certainly there's no shortage of pro-life conservatives in the legal field,

00:33:19.880 now we've got someone who's essentially a pro-life liberal on the court for the rest of her life. 1.00

00:33:25.820 Well, folks, you just heard it.

00:33:26.820 There's Roger Stone capping for us who can be the next possible pope.

00:33:33.900 This is Jack Posobiec.

00:33:35.340 You're listening to Human Events Daily on this auspicious and historic day.

00:33:40.760 Hear Real America's Voice on Salem Radio Network.

00:33:43.480 We'll be right back.

00:33:44.700 Jack is a great guy.

00:33:55.860 He's written a fantastic book.

00:33:57.480 Everybody's talking about it.

00:33:58.740 Go get it.

00:33:59.840 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:34:03.840 And we're going to turn it around and make our country quite a good day.

00:34:07.060 Amen.

00:34:08.820 Look, I know you're trying to help, but we've been fishing these waters our whole lives.

00:34:13.640 And I can tell you, nobody's ever caught anything over there.

00:34:16.760 But, you know, thanks anyway.

00:34:19.120 Come on.

00:34:20.480 What's the worst that could happen?

00:34:21.980 We catch less fish?

00:34:23.880 Fine.

00:34:24.400 You know, whatever.

00:34:25.740 But I'm telling you, we are not going to see a single fish.

00:34:32.740 Have you ever seen so many fish?

00:34:35.060 No.

00:34:35.440 I can't believe this.

00:34:37.060 There are so many the nets about to break.

00:34:39.720 It's a miracle.

00:34:42.900 We're low.

00:34:43.900 We're looking for the fish.

00:34:45.700 What's going on?

00:34:46.800 We were out there all morning, and there weren't any fish.

00:34:49.480 Well, not anymore anyway.

00:34:52.360 I can't believe it.

00:34:54.240 Thank you.

00:34:54.940 Thank you, teacher.

00:34:58.260 Put down your nets and follow me.

00:35:00.780 I will make you fishers of men, but your catch will be followers of God. 1.00

00:35:05.400 The most largest Easter, most large, the biggest Easter that I've ever experienced in my lifetime.

00:35:14.580 I was talking to my parents about it.

00:35:16.920 They said it was the biggest in their lifetime.

00:35:19.580 Something is going on.

00:35:21.440 Something is clearly going on.

00:35:23.760 And, yes, you're listening to Jack Posobiec.

00:35:25.200 This is Human Events Daily, third hour of the Charlie Kirk audience on the Salem Radio Network, as well as Real America's Voice.

00:35:33.340 What we're experiencing is a traditional awakening.

00:35:37.540 It is spiritual, and yet it is deeper than anything that we've seen before.

00:35:42.480 The secularists, they had their chance.

00:35:45.700 They ruined it.

00:35:46.780 They blew it.

00:35:48.140 Look, believers in the faith, I don't know if you realize this, up and through the 1990s,

00:35:53.320 America was a Christian conservative country to the 90th percentile, 90th percentile, 90% Christian, even in the 1990s.

00:36:02.300 Then it fell down to almost 60% by 2020.

00:36:07.900 But here's what's very interesting.

00:36:09.800 After the events of COVID, it has sprung back up.

00:36:14.440 It has actually seen an increase.

00:36:16.720 And now, America is almost at 70% conservative, or, excuse me, 70% Christian just in the last five years. 0.53

00:36:28.600 Why is this?

00:36:30.080 Two things.

00:36:31.220 The attempted cultural takeover of the woke Marxist, neo-Marxist left, as well as the excesses of secular COVID,

00:36:40.580 which denied spirituality, which denied humanity itself.

00:36:45.900 That's what you get when you begin to worship science.

00:36:49.620 And we saw this through COVID.

00:36:51.880 You cannot simply remove religion from the personal square without it finding a successor religion. 0.85

00:36:59.240 So the religion of science, the religion of self, the worship of wokeness, all of this flooded into the public square.

00:37:10.200 And the reaction has been a resounding, no.

00:37:14.740 We do not want this.

00:37:16.620 We don't want these institutions to be taken over by these wild, radical ideologies.

00:37:21.800 And look, this is a positive thing.

00:37:24.080 Churches are spilling out coast to coast, whether it's evangelical, that's biblical-based, whether it's the Orthodox Catholic, the traditional Latin Mass,

00:37:35.800 whether it is the Orthodox Christian, which had their Easter on the same date for once in, you know, once in a lifetime, actually was on the same date.

00:37:44.660 Understand, this is a miracle.

00:37:47.340 And what is one of the things that predicated those miracles?

00:37:51.920 Well, it was the miracle we saw last year on July 13th, the divine intervention in a field in Butler.

00:37:59.320 So when all of these things are happening now, and you've got movies that are positively portraying Jesus Christ as being the top box office attractions.

00:38:12.600 Plus, by the way, I hear, not that I'm, you know, someone who watches this, but American Idol, for the very first time ever, just found this out last night, did a three-hour special all about Easter with songs of faith only.

00:38:28.900 For the first time in American Idol's history, the White House putting out the gospel, quoting the gospel one year after, on Easter Sunday, the White House was celebrating, under Joe Biden, or whoever was actually controlling the auto pen, the Transgender Day of Visibility.

00:38:50.780 No.

00:38:51.460 We are seeing a backlash.

00:38:53.760 We are, in fact, seeing a Christ-lash.

00:38:57.280 Christ is flipping over the tables from coast to coast against the neo-Marxist left and saying, this will not do.

00:39:09.440 This is not the place for any of these things.

00:39:14.700 This is my Father's house.

00:39:17.480 And my Father's house will not be sullied.

00:39:21.000 And so you're seeing the backlash.

00:39:22.540 You're seeing the Christ-lash.

00:39:23.980 And I think it's a miracle.

00:39:25.060 And I think it's beautiful.

00:39:26.500 And I think it's incredible.

00:39:28.220 And everyone who understands this should know that when America is led by believers, that is when America is at its best.

00:39:39.960 When America understands that these things, by the way, they're not just an ideology.

00:39:47.180 They're not just a philosophy.

00:39:50.000 Yes, there are ideological aspects of Christianity.

00:39:52.480 And yes, there are certainly philosophical aspects and liturgical aspects and theological aspects.

00:39:56.800 But at its core, this is real.

00:39:59.260 Joshua Lysak, my co-author, said last night, it's one thing to say, I have faith that Jesus lived and died and rose for me.

00:40:08.940 But it's another thing to say, I think he did.

00:40:11.400 I truly think that these things happen, that these things were real.

00:40:18.620 From a rational perspective, I accept it as real.

00:40:22.900 And if it is real, if the cross is real, if the tomb is real, if the shroud is real, then it's all real.

00:40:33.240 And it's all going to come place.

00:40:39.820 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, if my permission, I'll be assured.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - April 21, 2025

Holy Monday and the Passing of Pope Francis - Who's Next？

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