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00:02:02.440 it's being reported that president biden has lifted restrictions on ukraine using u.s weapons to

00:02:12.720 strike deeper inside russia falling down to a russian leader i think it's outrageous it's dangerous and

00:02:19.260 it's unacceptable

00:02:24.540 in the updated version of the document aggression against russia by any non-nuclear state but with the

00:02:30.340 support of a nuclear state is proposed to be considered as their joint attack on russia

00:02:35.800 russia will also consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons when receiving reliable information

00:02:41.020 about a massive launch of means of aerospace attack and their crossing of our state border

00:02:45.540 this includes strategic and tactical aircraft as well as cruise missiles and drones hypersonic and

00:02:51.760 other delivery vehicles russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in case of aggression

00:02:56.280 including if the enemy using conventional weapons poses a critical threat

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00:03:02.340 all right jack pasomic here we are human events daily

00:03:05.720 ladies and gentlemen we are witnessing a defining moment in history

00:03:10.100 of president trump with his unyielding commitment to peace is poised to end the war in ukraine a conflict

00:03:18.180 that was never inevitable but rather a consequence of years of geopolitical maneuvering trump strategy is clear

00:03:24.520 years of geopolitical maneuvering. Trump's strategy is clear. Bring both sides to the

00:03:30.840 negotiation table, leveraging his unique diplomatic style to forge an end to this tragedy.

00:03:36.960 Now, let's not forget this war didn't need to happen. It was a direct result of actions

00:03:43.600 and policies that have been largely ignored or misrepresented by the mainstream media.

00:03:49.800 The United States, through its covert operations in Ukraine, has played a significant yet under

00:03:55.920 discussed role in stoking the conflict. The New York Times this year recently shed light

00:04:01.040 on this, revealing a network of 12 CIA bases in Ukraine. These weren't just outposts.

00:04:07.460 They were training grounds for Ukrainian operatives, including assassination teams aimed at, quote,

00:04:13.980 countering Russian influence, but also have conducted, in fact, one general recently, assassinations

00:04:19.780 within Russia itself. This kind of activity hidden in the shadows has undeniably contributed

00:04:26.400 to the escalation. Furthermore, the expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe has been a provocative

00:04:32.680 move, one that the Russians have viewed as an encroachment on itself. The promise of NATO

00:04:38.400 membership for Ukraine was seen as a direct threat by NATO, by Moscow, echoing the concerns

00:04:44.480 of many Russian leaders since the Cold War's end. Yet this narrative is seldom explored in

00:04:50.040 mainstream discourse, which prefers to paint a picture of unprovoked aggression rather than

00:04:55.760 a complex tapestry of cause and effect. Trump's approach to this conflict isn't about perpetuating

00:05:01.800 the cycle of blame or military engagement. It's about negotiation. His advisors have outlined

00:05:07.180 plans where the current battle lines could potentially be frozen using both incentives and disincentives

00:05:12.720 to compel both Ukraine and Russia to engage in a meaningful dialogue, and would include, by the

00:05:18.080 way, halting NATO membership for Ukraine in exchange for peace. It's called a pragmatic solution.

00:05:26.720 To truly understand how Trump might end the war, we first must grasp how it began. And the seeds of this

00:05:35.500 conflict were sown long before tanks rolled across Ukrainian soil. They were planted with every covert

00:05:41.500 operation, every diplomatic misstep, every strategic expansion, the CIA bases, the NATO enlargement.

00:05:48.460 These are not just footnotes. They are chapters in the story of how we got here. And Trump's return

00:05:54.300 offers a chance to rewrite this narrative shift from a story of war to one of peace. His administration's

00:06:00.540 focus on negotiation over hostilities reflects a desire to end not just the fighting, but the underlying situation

00:06:09.180 that took place. And ladies and gentlemen, we are going to understand that situation in full detail today.

00:06:16.140 Stay tuned as Human Events brings you the truth about Ukraine. 0.55

00:06:27.100 Today, you know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers. And they're friends of mine.

00:06:34.240 Jack Kosovic. Where's Jack? Jack? He's done a great job.

00:06:39.180 All right, Jack Kosovic. We are back here on Human Events. I want to introduce you to today's

00:06:46.780 guest. And we're going to be going through the entire Ukraine story, maybe a couple other stories

00:06:51.000 along the way with him. It is Scott Horton from antiwar.com and the author of the new book. You got

00:06:59.900 to get this book. You will read it in one sitting. It will change the way that you look at American

00:07:05.100 modern history, possibly even past history. It has provoked how Washington started the new cold war

00:07:12.000 with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine. He joins us now. Scott, how are you?

00:07:17.360 I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me, Jack. Great to be back with you.

00:07:21.300 Well, I think it's incredible, you know, because when you and I were first chatting about this,

00:07:25.300 you know, the election was still kind of going on and, you know, we weren't sure who was going to win.

00:07:29.060 Now Donald Trump has won the election. His administration is coming in and, you know,

00:07:35.020 the antiwar. So antiwar has become a huge watchword of MAGA, of America first. It's something

00:07:42.160 that J.D. Vance is talking about. David Sachs is talking about. Tucker Carlson's in there. I,

00:07:46.720 myself, of course, talk about this all the time. So I think we really are and you have really put

00:07:52.960 this book out at the perfect time to give people a true understanding of what has gone on that got

00:07:59.760 us into this big mess in the first place. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you and all the America

00:08:06.300 first efforts. I mean, remember that that phrase comes from defend America first. That's what it

00:08:13.460 really meant. That's the great book by Garrett Garrett, his collected essays from the Saturday

00:08:18.340 Evening Post saying that, look, France is not America's eastern frontier. Well, I would agree 1.00

00:08:23.260 with that and I would submit to you that Ukraine also is not America's eastern frontier. This is 7,000

00:08:29.060 miles even from Washington, D.C. And they've essentially just wandered into a neighborhood where

00:08:35.480 they have no business and got their friend in a fight in the most unfair kind of a way is what's

00:08:42.460 really happened here. And now Donald Trump has run on peace. Remember in the debate, they said,

00:08:48.600 don't you mean you want to help Ukraine win? And he said, I want to end it. It's too dangerous 0.96

00:08:54.460 to allow the war to continue at all. And Jack, I'm sure you must have heard him say this. He talks

00:09:00.460 about this from time to time over the decades he has that Donald Trump had an uncle who taught at MIT,

00:09:05.960 the greatest uncle, the greatest scientist in the world. And he taught Trump all about H-bombs

00:09:12.860 in a way that a lot of us don't get a real education in nuclear weapons. Well, Trump got a real

00:09:17.960 education in nuclear weapons and he is rightfully terrified of them and rightfully has decided that

00:09:23.640 it just doesn't make any sense for America to have a contest with Russia over something as trivial as

00:09:30.180 the eastern border of Ukraine. And especially when the American side did so much to cause the

00:09:35.780 controversy in the first place, there must be a way that we can ramp this thing down and have a

00:09:40.680 negotiated settlement and guarantee to turn the risk of nuclear war way back down towards zero again.

00:09:49.100 And what's amazing is you've got nominees up there. Obviously, J.D. Vance is coming in as the

00:09:53.980 vice president, Pete Hegseth at SECDEF, Tulsi Gabbard as the DNI, so the director of national intelligence.

00:10:01.280 And the Wall Street Journal kind of ran this, you know, the neocons at the Wall Street Journal ran

00:10:06.260 an attack piece on all of them saying Trump keeps appointing angry veterans of the global war on

00:10:12.400 terror to his to his administration. And I said, no, that's specifically what he said he was going to

00:10:18.880 do, as a matter of fact. And these are people, by the way, who saw firsthand where this stuff can go,

00:10:26.420 at least on just that level, on a kinetic level, not to mention a nuclear level. And so I think

00:10:34.380 it's perfect that it's actually people that have experienced war up front, these combat veterans

00:10:40.100 saying, hey, guys, we need to pump the brakes on this stuff. And I know less about the secretary 0.91

00:10:45.980 of defense, but I can tell you about Tulsi Gabbard that, you know, this whole controversy about her,

00:10:50.760 they claim that, oh, she's pro-Russia and pro-Assad in Syria. Well, all that happened,

00:10:57.300 Jack, was she was in Iraq War II. She was stationed at the Balad Air Base north of Baghdad

00:11:02.040 at a time when they were taking fire. They call her a combat veteran, not because she was pulling

00:11:07.040 triggers, but because she was getting shelled at the base where she was in a medical unit.

00:11:12.620 So I don't know particular anecdotes, but presumably she saw boys die in there who had been fighting the

00:11:18.600 Sunni-based insurgency, the vanguard of which was al-Qaeda in Iraq. It was just a couple of years

00:11:24.760 later that Barack Obama and the rest of the Washington Consensus, led by Senator McCain

00:11:29.940 on the Republican side as well, said that, no, these guys are the moderate rebels. We like them now.

00:11:36.200 John McCain even went and met with the Northern Storm Brigade, who had told Time Magazine a month

00:11:40.720 before he went and met with them that they were proud veterans of Iraq, where they had fought against

00:11:45.320 America under essentially under Zarqawi as part of al-Qaeda in Iraq against the Americans in Iraq

00:11:51.000 War II. But now in Syria, they're heroes because now they're fighting the Shiites. And so that's 1.00

00:11:57.200 what Israel wants. And so that's what the American War Party wants. And she's saying, I'm sorry,

00:12:02.880 I can still tell you the shirts from the skins and I'm not switching sides in this thing after what

00:12:08.720 I've seen in Iraq. So in other words, what was the difference between her and everybody else

00:12:13.180 on the political scene at that time? She knew what she was talking about. And they were all just

00:12:18.700 bluffing and going along with, well, I guess we're supposed to all say now Assad's a dictator and 0.60

00:12:23.400 whoever's fighting him is a hero. When people who know about it know that, no, the people fighting

00:12:28.080 him are not heroes at all. They're the bad guys. And at the very heart of it, I remember her saying that

00:12:36.660 if Assad does leave, then whoever takes over in his place might potentially be a thousand times worse.

00:12:45.880 And she specifically pointed to these al-Qaeda Sunni groups. And that's exactly who ended up or

00:12:51.560 seems to at least have at this point stepped in to fill that vacuum. I said, wait a minute,

00:12:55.820 why? And they say, oh, well, we should be very upset about this. I said, wait, I'm trying to explain.

00:12:59.880 And I say this as a guy who's a former intel officer myself. I say, you want me to be upset that

00:13:04.420 she got it right. And the very thing that she said was going to happen is in fact what happened.

00:13:09.800 That sounds like someone who should actually be in charge, not punished for it.

00:13:14.340 Yeah. Well, and you know, it's funny, man. I read this thing in the New York times.

00:13:20.160 That is just like a public relations. It's even like the Ukraine stuff. It's just,

00:13:24.240 it's like, it's like you, you have all the facts, but they, they just tell you the story backwards

00:13:28.660 or something. Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Right. Exactly. Right. So they just say,

00:13:32.520 well, look, they emphasize that Jolani, the leader of Al Qaeda in Syria is not as psycho as Baghdadi,

00:13:41.340 the leader of ISIS. That's so nice. Fewer head chopping, but otherwise they're exactly the same.

00:13:51.020 Who are these guys? They are the bin Laden chopped off as many heads as Baghdadi. He's far, far less.

00:13:57.320 By the way, I feel like, I feel like when he did that CNN interview, the puff piece on him,

00:14:01.740 that they, uh, that they must've put him through, I guess the same finishing school as Zalinski.

00:14:07.940 Cause he's got, he's got the beard, he's got the green fatigues. He he's even using that like

00:14:12.960 clipped, you know, cadence. It's like, uh, there were some people online were making memes of Jolani

00:14:18.200 and Zalinski together. I said, man, it's like the same exact thing. You know, back, um, a few

00:14:24.320 years ago, sort of in the meantime, between the worst of Obama's dirty war and the current one

00:14:28.540 there. Now, uh, there was a time when the Turks were, did a push with frontline PBS and they had

00:14:34.880 Martin Smith, the famous producer from frontline do this puff piece on Assad. And I had joked at the

00:14:40.860 time, they must be listening to my show because I would always say, listen, take one look at Assad.

00:14:46.660 Okay. Just look at him, your honor. Like on idiocracy, just look at him. He wears a three

00:14:51.520 piece suit. He shapes his chin in the ring. And that means that he's a secular dictator and not 0.84

00:14:57.020 a bin Laden night suicide bomber. And in this case, that's everything. Okay. And look at the other

00:15:02.000 side. The guy's got a turban and a beard and he's dressed up like bin Laden and he sends legions of 1.00

00:15:06.640 suicide bombers out to do suicide bombings and chop people's heads off. And so that's the difference. 0.98

00:15:11.900 And then what do they do? They literally dressed him up in a three piece suit, including the vest.

00:15:16.660 Yep. And everything. And had him sit there and parent, they, he didn't shave his beard off.

00:15:20.600 They weren't going to do that, but, but I bet they trimmed it anyway. And they had him sit there

00:15:26.060 and essentially say he's clearly under Turkish control, i.e. American control that listen for

00:15:31.600 public relations reasons. We need you to tone down the crazy so that you can get rid of the Shiites 1.00

00:15:37.160 for us. That's what you're here for. And he has gone along with that. But the thing is, Jack, 0.99

00:15:42.000 as I'm sure you anticipate as well, if he really is just going to kowtow to America and Israel for 0.99

00:15:47.660 the longterm, then somebody is going to shoot him in the head and replace him anyway. I mean, 0.99

00:15:51.520 these guys are head shopping lunatics in, you know, as their basic political philosophy, 0.88

00:15:56.880 there's sort of like, um, Patrick Coburn called ISIS, the Islamist Khmer Rouge, right? Like they're 1.00

00:16:04.060 bananas actors. They cannot be relied on to hold down any kind of stable regime in any one place.

00:16:10.120 So it's going to just be chaos there. And, and, and, and for a lot, and, and obviously, you know,

00:16:19.480 we're, we're talking about this because it just happened, but it happened because of many of the

00:16:22.960 same reasons and many of the same covert operations and many of the same lies about from our government

00:16:29.560 and lies about what's actually going on that happened in Ukraine. And I do want to get into

00:16:34.220 that in the book and we'll do so in the next segment, but, you know, obviously anyone who's trying

00:16:38.140 to make sense of the Syria situation, just understand it's a very, very similar case to

00:16:44.140 what happened there, to what happened in, of course, Libya. And if you want to look at,

00:16:48.640 you know, a test case for what happened here, okay, you had Muammar Gaddafi. I'm not saying

00:16:52.960 that he's some champion of democratic values or, you know, a Jeffersonian enlightenment,

00:16:58.140 Lockean, you know, philosopher. No, of course not. Fine. But what was he replaced with? What was

00:17:04.460 Saddam Hussein replaced with in Iraq? If you really think that this is making the world better 0.99

00:17:09.740 to support these movements like the Arab spring? Well, guess what? Syria is next. And the dirty 1.00

00:17:16.020 little secret that the U S government doesn't want you to know is that so many of these movements

00:17:21.660 of these organizations, many of which tied to the Muslim brotherhood to the Sunnis there

00:17:26.120 are directly funded and supported by our U S government. It's not happening by accident.

00:17:34.300 Go look at Pakistan, Pakistan, the CIA's secret basement, uh, where the Taliban first crawled out 1.00

00:17:41.140 of in the first place. And so you're worried about these things, ladies and gentlemen,

00:17:45.360 don't look overseas. The, actually the problem is right here at home. We're on with Scott Horton of

00:17:53.420 anti-war.com. His book provoked it's about Ukraine, but it's actually about us. Stay tuned. We'll be

00:18:00.340 right back.

00:18:11.620 When I'm working long hours, I'm always listening to human events with Jack Posobiec.

00:18:15.740 All right, Jack Posobiec. We are back on live. We're talking about the truth about how Washington

00:18:24.380 provoked a new cold war with Russia. And we're on with author Scott Horton of the book provoked,

00:18:31.820 which essentially tells that the next story, Scott, let's go back and to really when all of these

00:18:37.740 things kicked off and the wonderful end of history, the end of the cold war Fukuyama statement comes

00:18:46.980 out, uh, the unipolar moment has begun. The United States has won. Democracy has won. Communism has been

00:18:55.380 killed. Yeah. The good guys won. And then something happened though, where NATO, which was set up to, uh,

00:19:05.960 fight the Soviet union had to come up with a new justification for its existence. And a lot of

00:19:12.220 people, by the way, Donald Trump himself pointed out several times, why does NATO still exist if the

00:19:17.180 Soviet union doesn't anymore? Their enemy went away. Well, it seems that in the 1990s and throughout 0.68

00:19:24.180 that end of history moment, the seeds of the new conflicts that we see now were, were planted and

00:19:31.860 have now born fruit. Yeah, that's right. And I think if you go back to, and not, this is not the

00:19:38.360 conspiracy version. This is the straight version of when HW Bush announced the new world order, he

00:19:44.060 wasn't really talking about one world government conspiracy stuff. He was saying America rules the

00:19:48.820 world. Now the USA is the world government. And as we saw, as the doctrine was implemented, especially

00:19:55.720 by his successors, Bill Clinton and his son, and then Barack Obama as well. What that means is that

00:20:02.980 the actual world law, not that I'm the greatest fan of this, but this is the treaty that everyone

00:20:07.920 signed, the UN charter, that that actually is obsolete now. Now, instead we have the American led order,

00:20:15.760 whereas Bush senior said, what we say goes. And so that means they can start wars without a UN

00:20:22.140 security council vote, or even a declaration of war from Congress or any other real authority.

00:20:27.360 And essentially it's all built on this self-righteous justification that if we weren't holding the

00:20:34.160 world down, then it would burst into flames. It would all go to hell and it would either be us or

00:20:39.780 the Russians or the Chinese or some other horrible power would take over the world. So we have to take 1.00

00:20:45.160 it over, but not call it that. We just have to be the hedge funds of the world to prevent badness from

00:20:51.620 breaking out. That's essentially the justification. And so from the beginning, in spite of their solemn

00:20:58.640 vows and promises and agreements with the Soviets, and then later the Russians, they expanded their

00:21:04.840 influence, not just into the Middle East, we all know that story, but expanded the NATO military

00:21:10.480 alliance into Eastern Europe and right up to Russia's borders, including the Baltic States.

00:21:15.660 They did the color-coded revolutions. Well, first the Balkan Wars, and then the color-coded

00:21:21.180 revolutions. Oh, did I skip Bill Clinton when I talked about lawless wars? Clinton did Kosovo, 0.50

00:21:25.760 then Bush did Iraq, then Obama did Libya. No, I did say Clinton. So anyway, the color-coded revolutions

00:21:32.440 against friends of Russia in their near abroad, including Ukraine twice in 10 years, Bush Jr. in

00:21:38.880 2004 and Obama again in 2014, put their thumb on America's thumb on the scale in the uprisings

00:21:47.540 there and the protest movements there to facilitate. So you're talking about what you're talking about

00:21:53.000 are a series of color revolutions. And we've, we've covered cover color revolutions here on the

00:21:59.040 program a number of times, but essentially what these are, are they take these, you know, it might

00:22:04.320 start out as a legitimate, but, you know, small, you know, movement somewhere in one of these other

00:22:10.860 countries. In some cases, it may not exist. The Arab Spring, by the way, I just mentioned, of course,

00:22:15.520 is an example of this. In some cases, the organization itself might have always been started

00:22:20.100 by USAID or some CIA front group or U.S. front group overseas. And they are able to turn this into

00:22:27.060 a national protest to try essentially to get the government to fall. And what they're doing really

00:22:33.440 is I've always read the color revolutions as an attempt to recreate the end of the Soviet Union

00:22:39.620 over and over and over again to say, okay, well, we don't like this government and this worked this

00:22:45.480 one time. So we're just going to try it over and over and over. And it does seem to work. The

00:22:51.240 template usually is they dispute an election and they go, well, we have exit polls and our exit polls

00:22:56.960 say that our God won not this kind of thing, refuse to accept defeat. And then, yes, oftentimes you're

00:23:02.820 talking about a very poor country like Ukraine or Georgia. And then these NGOs come in with tens

00:23:06.580 of millions of dollars to support. By the way, this just happened in Romania. This just happened

00:23:11.060 in Romania like last week where it's happening in Georgia as well right now where, yeah, they were

00:23:17.800 defeated. The Soros candidate was defeated. And then all of a sudden it's like, no, no, we don't

00:23:23.080 like that election. We don't like those results. So, you know, we're going to cancel the next election.

00:23:27.600 And then in Romania, the one that drove me wild was they said, we don't like the results. And Russia

00:23:33.720 got, you know, interfered. Well, how do you know? And he said, oh, we think there were some TikTok

00:23:37.740 videos. They they promoted some TikTok videos of the candidate and therefore Russia interfered. So

00:23:43.500 they they actually canceled the election. And I believe they're going to rerun the first iteration

00:23:49.700 again of the presidential election in in a NATO EU country.

00:23:55.940 Right. And again, as everyone is familiar, all of this is in the name of democracy.

00:24:01.980 But see, this goes to the heart of it, right? Like, forget the most cynical arms dealers and

00:24:06.620 the most cynical liars and whatever in the thing. If you take even the most sort of public spirited

00:24:12.980 take on this thing that, no, really, we're just trying to spread, as George Soros calls them,

00:24:18.180 open societies in the world. We are talking about a lot of backwards, corrupt dictatorships or sort of

00:24:24.700 pseudo fake democracies and this kind of thing. And so you might really wish that they had regular

00:24:30.480 elections in an independent judiciary and open public corruption bureau and everything is just

00:24:36.340 great over there. But imagine, Jack, really, the U.S. empire going to such lengths to create such

00:24:42.420 democratic systems in other people's countries. But then, oh, they don't care who wins the election,

00:24:47.360 though. They're perfectly happy to see the other side win and the American guy lose or the pro-Western

00:24:52.740 guy lose. Yeah, right. There's has to be built in no matter what a conflict of interest in all of this

00:24:59.720 stuff. There's no way that it can be just so selfless that all they really want is the people of the world

00:25:05.020 to be free unless being free means just like democracy means when the Democrats win and get what

00:25:12.280 they want. Otherwise, they'll frame you for treason, whether it's Trump or whether it's what's his name

00:25:16.620 in Romania, and they'll depose you and cheat and do what they have to do to maintain their power.

00:25:22.060 And so that's the key. It's just like a cop who can get away with running a red light or even

00:25:26.580 killing a hooker or something. And like the law doesn't apply to the law enforcer a lot of the

00:25:31.860 times. And in that case, it's us. It's the middle part. Or if or if you're or if you're the or if

00:25:38.400 you're the nephew of a wealthy and well-connected legal family in Pennsylvania and your your

00:25:45.160 girlfriend mysteriously stabs herself 20 times, including 10 times in the back. And it just so 0.76

00:25:50.240 happens that Josh Shapiro, the attorney general, is a family friend that suddenly it gets ruled a

00:25:55.380 suicide. I I bring that up as a hypothetical. That's not a reference to anything that I've been

00:25:59.720 covering here on the show. I actually only just read that story for the first time the other day,

00:26:04.640 and they were talking about it like everybody knows this story. And I was like, what? I totally

00:26:08.300 missed this. I've been working on a book for a year or two. I've been I was I've been I've been

00:26:13.480 going down the road on on that one quite, quite, quite extensively. I'll have to show you I'll have

00:26:17.880 to send you the podcast we did on it. But, you know, again, you're it's it is the powerful Ellen

00:26:23.920 Greenberger's name, by the way, for folks who want to look this up. The for folks in power,

00:26:28.820 they stay in power and they attempt to expand their power. It is something that is historic.

00:26:34.600 We've seen power act this way across centuries. Mearsheimer talks about this, by the way,

00:26:39.380 as an understanding of this is how great powers operate. But it seems as though and I like the way

00:26:44.620 Mearsheimer frames it, because he says the United States is attempting to achieve something beyond

00:26:50.080 great power status in the fact where they want to be this sort of global hegemon. And this is why,

00:26:56.740 by the way, you can go to Washington, D.C., and you'll see furious op eds from members of both

00:27:02.900 Republican and Democrat parties arguing that, you know, everyone needs to focus on some conflict or

00:27:10.280 some border that is thousands of miles away. And don't worry about the public crime issues in your

00:27:16.640 hometown or the fentanyl zombies meandering around. No, this thing that's happening in some desert or

00:27:23.360 some desolate Eurasian, you know, the winterized tundra is something that you should be totally

00:27:30.620 focused on. And by the way, I still do this. I still go to newsstands. I know nobody does it

00:27:35.700 anymore. But I go to newsstands and I try almost every morning to look at the cover of the Washington

00:27:40.240 Post and New York Times. I get to tell and the Wall Street Journal, Ukraine is on the cover almost

00:27:45.360 every single day. Every once in a while, they change it out with Syria. But then they go right back to 0.98

00:27:50.180 Ukraine. It's like, is this really the most important thing that you wonder why nobody reads

00:27:54.520 it anymore? But it's something that is really being tried so hard to be jammed down the throats

00:27:59.220 of the American people. And and look for I call it the regime. Other people call it the uniparty.

00:28:05.600 Mike Benz calls it the blob, whatever name people want to use for it. You know, I think that we've all

00:28:11.460 realized that and the 2024 election was a huge part of this, that something has gone wrong and a

00:28:17.000 disconnect took place between the people of this country and the people who are running

00:28:20.760 it because their interests and the interests of the people who live here are simply in no way

00:28:25.660 connected. Yeah. And, you know, the real problem is that these guys are sure what heroes they are.

00:28:32.520 I mean, there's a great quote. I'm sure you're familiar with this, where someone had confronted

00:28:36.300 John Laughlin, who had been the acting director of the CIA, but was a longtime CIA guy, senior

00:28:43.000 official. And someone said, you know, Donald Trump says you're all the deep state or something like

00:28:50.700 that was the question. And he says, well, thank God for the deep state, because let me tell you

00:28:56.000 something. This is at the height of Russiagate hoaxery. I remember this. I remember he says,

00:29:00.980 let me tell you something. The problem is not at Fort Meade or at the Hoover building or in Langley.

00:29:07.500 The problem is at 1600 Pennsylvania. Now, if Donald Trump was really a traitor and a suborn, 0.98

00:29:14.860 blackmailed slave of Vladimir Putin, then I guess maybe. But you notice that the CIA and the NSA, 0.98

00:29:22.480 they're completely post-constitutional national security state structures. The FBI as a Bureau of

00:29:28.240 the Department of Justice might be constitutional in a sense, but they're way outside of their writ when,

00:29:34.620 as we all know now, and a lot of us knew then, but we all know now it was the FBI that was framing

00:29:40.220 him for this treason in the first place. I mean, the CIA started it and FBI really continued the

00:29:45.020 whole thing of framing of the president on this ridiculous hoax. And then they use that to say,

00:29:49.940 John Laughlin was just perfectly proud to say, listen, we're the secret police. We do what we

00:29:55.040 think is right. If the president, we decide. There is a whole, there is a whole media infrastructure

00:30:02.900 of Hollywood and books and TV shows that are pushed everywhere in our society. Every single

00:30:11.060 airport you walk through to lionize the FBI, lionize the CIA, lionize these agencies and act

00:30:17.380 as if they are some sort of secret superhero. When in fact, what's being done is that fantasy is

00:30:24.340 being pushed. So you don't pay attention to what the real ones are actually doing right back. Scott

00:30:28.260 And Jack, where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.

00:30:42.760 Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always

00:30:48.080 talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting

00:30:53.040 policies. All right, Jack Posobiec. We are back here. Human events daily folks go and support our

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00:32:33.080 we've been talking about the US government and this mentality that you see within the intelligence

00:32:39.460 community. I say that as a recovering intelligence officer. So I like to say that I certainly knew people

00:32:45.680 like this. And I still know people like this, friends I know who stayed in. And I'm like, guys, you know, why do

00:32:51.120 you care this much about Syria? And this does not affect the homeland in any way. And, you know, no amount of

00:32:57.640 Charles Lister articles are going to change that. And the I guess that walk me through then how these

00:33:05.100 how these heroes decided that Viktor Yanukovych was someone who couldn't possibly be allowed to

00:33:13.380 continue on his presidency in Ukraine in 2014.

00:33:18.400 OK, so this is a very interesting question. This comes down. This is the Maidan revolution of the Obama

00:33:23.980 Biden period there. And so what happened essentially was and Jack, I'll recommend to you,

00:33:30.220 you watch this great interview with Paul Manafort, the falsely accused handler of Trump for Putin in

00:33:38.040 the Russiagate hoax. Same guy who is Trump's campaign manager. He did an interview with Patrick

00:33:43.960 Bette David, who is, I guess, a pretty famous and prominent podcaster now. And it's a really

00:33:49.300 insightful interview where he explains that Yanukovych wanted to move west. People say, oh,

00:33:54.980 he was just Putin's puppet. Not true. And certainly Manafort wasn't in anything. And I don't know this,

00:34:00.960 but I'm saying it would fit. If anything, Manafort was CIA. He certainly had the cufflinks and the

00:34:06.540 hairstyle and whatever to be like their kind of guy, I think. But if he wasn't CIA, he certainly was not

00:34:14.260 operating contrary to their interests or America's interests whatsoever. And people may have all

00:34:20.600 different opinions about Manafort. But I'm telling you, you watch that interview with Patrick

00:34:24.520 Bette David. We've we've actually believe it or not, we've actually had Manafort here on this program.

00:34:29.980 And he said very much the same thing. It was a while back. I've got to I'll have to make a note

00:34:34.580 with the producers to re up that one, because he said the very same thing when I asked him about

00:34:37.920 Yanukovych. I was like, look, I got to ask you about Ukraine. We do geopolitics here.

00:34:41.540 What was the deal with Yanukovych? He said, no, Yanukovych wanted to move west.

00:34:46.220 But as Ukraine is this in in in Russian means at the border, it is the frontier land. It is that

00:34:55.940 that bridge between east and west. And so what he was saying, what what Manafort, the way he explained

00:35:01.920 it was he wanted to open up to the EU, but didn't want to completely shut off Russia either.

00:35:08.180 Right. And yet the EU insisted that it has to be one or the other. And I think ultimately

00:35:15.580 pooped it to Putin sent mixed signals about this. But I think he was pretty stern on it

00:35:20.020 as well, because he was worried about Russia, you know, protectionist reasons. He was worried

00:35:25.360 about Russia being flooded with finished, cheaper finished goods from Europe through Ukraine

00:35:30.300 and undermining, you know, Russian industry that way. And people in the east were quite a bit

00:35:35.920 concerned about that as well, at least some of them. But so I would cite actually George Soros

00:35:41.580 himself said to the Guardian that it was all Angela Merkel's fault, that she ruined the negotiations

00:35:49.660 because she was just a bad negotiator. And she played too hard of hardball. Essentially, 1.00

00:35:55.140 Russia was willing to offer, I think, $15 billion worth of loans and the West five. And it was like

00:36:01.180 barely enough for them to roll over their debt and just pay their interest on their debt from last

00:36:05.160 time. And meanwhile, they're going to have to slash pensions, slash subsidies for fuel. This is

00:36:09.520 a very poor country. Slash, you know, pensions and subsidies for poor people so that they can balance

00:36:15.500 the budget on their back and pay the West. And Putin was just offering a sweeter deal, essentially.

00:36:21.920 And they make all their money off of Russian gas coming through those pipes. So they're already,

00:36:26.340 you know, pretty dependent on him economically. And so Merkel blew it. That was the way George Soros

00:36:31.900 took it, was that Merkel had blown the thing up. So he didn't actually even officially cancel the deal.

00:36:37.620 By the way, this is an association agreement with the EU, not full membership. But what he did was he

00:36:43.520 postponed it. But that was enough to set off many genuine believers, right? People always say,

00:36:49.500 oh, you're denying the agency of the locals. But listen, the truth is, and Jack, I'm sure you

00:36:54.080 understand this better than most, that America's done something like 50 coups or something. I have a

00:36:59.460 ridiculously long paragraph where I list politicians in the third world, especially who've been

00:37:04.680 overthrown by the United States since World War II. And in every single case, of course, there are 0.78

00:37:09.640 locals who are willing and ready and able. And with some of these guys, you're lucky if all they do is

00:37:14.320 overthrow you, by the way. Well, that's right. Yeah, it can be much worse. But there's always,

00:37:19.140 of course, a local team of people who are willing to accept the power. It's always on behalf, not of

00:37:24.540 just America, but on behalf of one faction over the other, the faction that we favor over the one

00:37:29.080 that we don't. And so, you know, the most famous... Which, by the way, this is the same thing that the

00:37:35.420 British Empire used to do. And if you go all the way back, it's what the Roman Empire used to do. 0.55

00:37:40.060 It's how Julius Caesar took over Gaul.

00:37:41.720 Yeah. And so, you know, in this case, essentially what happened was

00:37:49.020 there are people who, in the east of the... Pardon me, especially in the west of the country,

00:37:56.740 but really anywhere but maybe the far east of the country, who very much wanted to be out from

00:38:01.000 under Russia's shadow. So when the trade deal was canceled, they took that as total capitulation to 0.63

00:38:07.220 Russia and the further enslavement of Ukraine under Russian control and all that. And they 0.77

00:38:12.520 really rebelled about that. They had their own opinions about that. But then the Americans came 0.87

00:38:17.480 in and dumped tens of millions of dollars to support them. And it was all American NGOs and

00:38:22.980 officially, you know, USAID and NED, IRI and NDI, but then also many different George Soros-backed and

00:38:31.040 Pierre Omidyar-backed NGOs that came. And they were the ones who supported the whole movement,

00:38:36.500 which is essentially this giant carnival that lasted for almost three months throughout December,

00:38:41.160 January, and February of 13 and into 14 there until essentially what they were trying to do was

00:38:48.600 push through a deal. The protesters really wanted the president to quit, but the Americans and the

00:38:53.820 Europeans decided what they wanted him to do was at least agree to early elections and put their guy

00:38:58.700 in as prime minister, which is itself a form of coup, whatever the French call it exactly. It was

00:39:03.620 the American superpower forcing him to capitulate and fire his prime minister and hire their guy

00:39:09.760 and agree to early elections that he would be sure to lose. But then what happened was the Nazis in 0.88

00:39:15.700 the street refused to accept the compromise. And they said, the president doesn't leave town by 10

00:39:20.500 a.m. We're going to put a bullet in his head. And it was a credible threat. Andrew Kramer from the New 1.00

00:39:24.720 York Times said, this is a credible threat. The crowd said, yes, yes. And we know now, Jack,

00:39:29.280 the guy who jumped up on the stage and declared that the deal is null and void. We're going to

00:39:34.100 murder him tomorrow. His name was Paris Yuck. And he was the same guy who led the sniper team at the 1.00

00:39:39.660 music conservatory that got the whole shootout started the day before. And so and that's widely

00:39:46.720 reported BBC, foreign policy, Alger, whatever you call it, the German one, and also BNE and Telenews.

00:39:53.920 They all have that, that Paris Yuck was the leader of the sniper team in the music conservatory.

00:39:58.820 Same guy jumped up on the stage and said, I'll kill the president tomorrow morning if he ain't 0.95

00:40:02.600 gone by then. And he was. He took off and fled the country. So it was a street and instead in the end. 0.98

00:40:08.900 And then after this, you essentially get a a small group of ultra nationalists who are installed.

00:40:17.220 You have the as of battalion that's brought in as their streets, their street arm. So the street

00:40:26.380 violent arm, the shock troops of all of this. And that leads to the current regime and the breakup

00:40:32.000 of the breakaway provinces and the Russian speaking areas in the east. That's how the Ukraine war

00:40:39.380 started. And there were 12 CIA bases there throughout the time, as we talked about earlier,

00:40:45.880 right back. We're going to wrap up Scott Horton.

00:40:56.720 Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it.

00:41:02.320 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:41:06.240 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again. Amen.

00:41:09.800 So Jack Posobiec, here we are. Scott Horton, final segment of this provoked how the West really led

00:41:21.940 to a new cold war with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine, which broke out because Russia decided to

00:41:30.820 not keep the war simply cold after what happened in Ukraine was in fact a coup spurned on by the U.S.

00:41:40.620 So Scott, in the midst of all of this, essentially, you have Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and so many

00:41:48.280 others. They were running over to Europe saying, guess what? The final stage of it is going to be

00:41:52.820 NATO bases inside Ukraine and the Russians. And you hear any of the interviews they give,

00:41:58.400 they constantly say we are worried about military invasion from the West. Why? Because it's happened

00:42:07.240 over and over and over and over in our history. And well, I'll say this as a guy of Polish descent,

00:42:13.640 they do not respond lightly to said invasions and are known for their own provocation as well.

00:42:20.760 And so, you know, I always kind of sit there and say, why would you want to pick a fight with those

00:42:24.500 guys? Have you seen what they do when they start marching? It's not pretty. And why would you see,

00:42:30.740 why would you want to do that when they have more nuclear weapons than anyone else in the world?

00:42:35.800 And I do want to go back to that as we wrap up, because I think you're right. And what you said

00:42:39.460 about President Trump and his understanding of nuclear weapons really is what just kind of

00:42:44.480 pushes through is so many times when he's speaking about Russia and he's speaking about this. As you

00:42:50.560 said, I was there when he met with Putin and held the Helsinki summit back in 2018 in Finland at the

00:42:57.560 presidential palace. And, you know, he didn't say it, but you could tell that he deals with Putin

00:43:04.000 and Xi Jinping and even Kim Jong-un, as we saw on that one on one level in a different way that he

00:43:09.520 deals with other world leaders. And partially that's because he understands that a powerful

00:43:15.080 nuclear armed nation is not a it's like, you know, like dealing with another CEO that you just you

00:43:21.880 can't just push around. And look, I should have said this at the beginning, Jack, and I'll go ahead

00:43:28.260 and say it now so that your audience understands real well. And I know they already know you

00:43:32.340 and they know Donald Trump and all of that. But I'm an American patriot. I'm a Texan. And I don't

00:43:38.540 know really much about Russia or give a damn about Russia. None of what I say here has anything to do

00:43:43.580 with talking points that I learned or got paid to say or any of these silly kind of tropes or even do I

00:43:51.040 have any particular sympathy toward Russia at all. It's just it's the same thing that my previous

00:43:56.160 book is about how America provoked Al Qaeda, their own mercenary terrorist force into turning around

00:44:02.160 and attacking the United States of America and kicking off the whole war on terrorism. Nobody even

00:44:07.040 bothered accusing me of simping for bin Laden. Then I simply explaining why he did what he did and how 0.88

00:44:14.080 he was able to convince people to do what he wanted them to do. And it was by citing Bill Clinton's

00:44:19.780 sins. It's the same kind of thing here. I'm not here to argue a brief for the Russian side of the 1.00

00:44:25.560 story. And but the thing is, what we're not talking about Stalin and Khrushchev and the Red Army and

00:44:31.960 Soviet enslavement here. We're talking about essentially center-right conservative Russia that 0.66

00:44:39.500 has no real need or want to recreate the Russian Empire, certainly not at the expense of their entire

00:44:46.520 relationship with the West as the current crisis has cost them. They only did this because the

00:44:52.620 Americans made them choose to do this now or do it never. Now, I'm not justifying it. The book is

00:44:59.500 called Provoked, Not Justified. And I think that Putin did have other alternatives. But I also think

00:45:05.900 that Joe Biden is a really lousy president and that he spent the first year of his presidency in 21

00:45:12.940 acting all tough while actually demonstrating that he's not tough and not smart at all. You look at his

00:45:19.760 absolute catastrophic failure and decision making that really was just him. It wasn't like it was

00:45:24.980 just guys on the ground. It was his decision to postpone the withdrawal from Afghanistan by four

00:45:29.740 months that led to that catastrophe. That's a whole other interview. I could explain it. But it was his

00:45:34.940 fault that the withdrawal from Afghanistan went completely to hell the way it did. And then he's telling

00:45:42.340 Putin, you better not do it. But he's not willing throughout the fall and the winter of 21. He's

00:45:49.620 not willing to really negotiate. If you look at his phone call with Putin on the 30th of December,

00:45:56.360 he's conciliatory. He says, Vlad, listen, man, I'm not going to bring Ukraine into NATO, not any time in

00:46:02.900 the next decade. And I'm not going to put missiles in Kharkiv and threaten Moscow. What am I crazy? And I have

00:46:08.660 to tell you, I think that was true. I believe that. But he wasn't willing to put it in writing. He wasn't

00:46:13.540 willing because then that's appeasing Hitler. That's giving into the bully. You can never do that. So we're just 0.77

00:46:19.560 going to have to shout at him that NATO is a defensive organization and we would never attack you. And he's

00:46:26.480 just going to have to accept that. And all of his protestations about how his security concerns negate that

00:46:33.080 possibility and that he is actually not going to let that happen, notwithstanding. And, you know,

00:46:38.380 as I talk about in the book, and Biden was clear about this, even in his spring interview, this last

00:46:43.780 recent early summer interview with Time magazine, he said, I'm the guy who said, we're not bringing

00:46:47.800 Ukraine into NATO. We're not bringing Ukraine into NATO. We can't. They're way too corrupt in their

00:46:51.760 democracy and their economy. Forget about it. We're not bringing them in. But, and there's the same thing 0.96

00:46:56.920 he said in 22, right before the war. We're not bringing them in. But you can't tell us we're not 1.00

00:47:02.800 bringing them in. Only we can say we're not bringing them in. And no other nation's security 0.99

00:47:07.540 interests can ever be taken into account. That would be a violation of the sacred principle of

00:47:12.160 the open door, which is just some made up crap that they said in 1999. It's just jargon. It doesn't 0.69

00:47:17.040 mean anything. They could close the door. Donald Trump could close the door six weeks from now and it

00:47:21.240 would be closed. There's not even really a door, Jack. It's just made up crap. And they said, no,

00:47:25.860 but the principle is no one can tell us that no one can join. So as far as that goes, we insist that

00:47:32.400 Ukraine will become a member of NATO. And that's the war. And this is the mentality. This is the

00:47:40.320 mentality that sets this up. This is the mentality that pushes so many people in the intel community or

00:47:48.460 in the government or the State Department down these lines. It is a form of hubris. It's a form of

00:47:54.920 self-worship. And it's a form of delusion. It's just an absolute delusion. And it's gotten so

00:48:01.880 many people killed. Folks, the book is Provoked, How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia

00:48:08.220 and the Catastrophe in Ukraine. Scott, thanks so much for being here with us and breaking down this

00:48:13.920 information that many people may not have heard. Thank you, Jack. God bless. Ladies and gentlemen,

00:48:21.440 as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - January 10, 2025

How Washington Started the New Cold War w⧸ Scott Horton

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