Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - HUMAN EVENT DAILY SPECIAL REPORT： THE NIGHT TRAIN TO KIEV

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:40.380 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:47.060 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:50.100 Christ is king.

00:00:51.700 All right, Jack Posobiec, this is day one.

00:00:58.500 We've entered the territory of Ukraine.

00:01:00.980 Just went past the Polish border checkpoint at Brzeznyissel.

00:01:06.760 Then came across the Ukrainian border.

00:01:10.020 So here we are.

00:01:11.380 We're on the night train to Kiev.

00:01:13.200 And three years ago, I was on these very same train tracks.

00:01:19.260 You might remember the podcast that I did that night with my brother at the start of this war, the night train to Odessa.

00:01:27.840 Here we are three years later.

00:01:30.220 So many things have changed.

00:01:31.880 President Trump is back in office.

00:01:34.480 President Trump has signaled that this war is to come to an end.

00:01:40.960 And he has now dispatched his envoys across the continent of Europe.

00:01:47.280 So Pete Hegseth is on his way to the NATO conference in Brussels.

00:01:52.420 J.D. Vance is going to be finishing things up in Munich at the security conference, which is Davos for defense.

00:02:00.840 And that Scott Besant is on this very train right now.

00:02:05.020 The secretary of the treasury is going to be going across to Kiev to present Zelensky a sweetheart deal, a deal that he can't refuse, a five-part deal.

00:02:17.420 The deal that President Trump has come up with for Ukraine is hugely predicated on not only securing the peace, keeping Ukraine out of NATO, which, of course, has always been Russia's red line.

00:02:38.720 There's going to be, obviously, a land swap.

00:02:43.740 So a question of Ukrainian territory, which is currently held by Russia, some Russian territory in the Kurds region that's currently held by Ukraine that will be swapped back.

00:02:54.100 But then, of course, generally diplomatic recognition and full international recognition for the Russian annexed territories.

00:03:01.140 And, of course, the final border lines for that remain to be seen.

00:03:04.600 We're also likely going to see a sort of Syrianization of the conflict, whereby they're calling for a demilitarized zone to be adjacent to the border region of the Donbass.

00:03:17.760 And bringing in troops who aren't necessarily U.S. troops, but NATO, British, other European and even non-European troops like the Indians, for example, bring them here.

00:03:30.760 Potentially even the Chinese, we will see. 1.00

00:03:32.580 That's not something that I've been privy to, but that's the general scope of the discussions right now for what we know in terms of the peace deal that, of course, this is already leaked by Keith Kellogg, from Keith Kellogg, and leaked a few days before his trip.

00:03:48.640 He'll also be coming to Kiev.

00:03:49.760 And so you have the diplomatic peace, you have the military peace, which includes Ukraine not going into NATO, and this bit of the DMZ and the international force that's going to secure the DMZ.

00:04:05.260 But then what Scott Besson is here to do is he is going to be presenting to Zelensky this new idea of economic, U.S. economic investment into Ukraine.

00:04:17.400 This is President Trump's idea. It goes along the lines of the Sovereign Wealth Fund.

00:04:22.320 So looking at, as you know, publicly reported already, the rare earth minerals, as well as energy, and including infrastructure, sort of the rebuilding of Ukraine, having U.S. investment into that, and potentially even U.S. ownership, or at least that ownership stake in it, in terms of the Sovereign Wealth Fund.

00:04:44.200 The idea is that that's also going to provide a sort of security and a sort of stability whereby in, okay, Ukraine's not going to be a part of NATO, but if the U.S. has those interests and ownership stake in that area, particularly even something that may be looking at the port of Odessa,

00:05:03.900 that this could be a huge game changer for the Americans, so there would be an economic interest, vital economic interest, as well as potentially a reason for both Ukraine, the United States, and Russia to think twice about another military conflict in the area.

00:05:23.960 Again, all of this is subject to negotiation, but this is the current deal that President Trump is going to be offering through Secretary Scott Besson to Zelensky.

00:05:33.400 In fact, a piece of that, that I had the opportunity to ask about, was regarding U.S. LNG and U.S. refining capacity.

00:05:42.840 So, one piece of the equation is, as we know, Ukraine certainly has their nuclear facilities, the nuclear power plants, but will Ukraine be able to produce its own energy through the refining process?

00:05:56.360 And obviously, that's something where U.S. firms could want to be looking into, again, as we say in the show all the time.

00:06:02.000 Cherchez le petrol.

00:06:03.400 Look for the energy, because what does this come down to?

00:06:07.180 It all comes down to energy.

00:06:10.520 That's where 100% of this comes in.

00:06:13.360 So, looking forward, you've also got the LNG.

00:06:17.000 So, Ukraine has the what?

00:06:18.300 They have their pipeline infrastructure and their pipeline platforms.

00:06:20.720 But, of course, that's always been used for Russian oil to be able to pass through Ukraine into Europe.

00:06:27.600 And I would certainly not be surprised if that were part of something that Russia wants to turn back on. 0.83

00:06:33.720 We already know one big key to the puzzle, as we're recording this, is that Russia has already been given the green light by Denmark to start patching up pieces of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that connected Russia and Germany.

00:06:49.080 So, Nord Stream 2 comes back on.

00:06:51.740 That's potential billions and billions of revenue flowing through there every single day for the Russian Federation.

00:06:59.800 Now, when the U.S. comes back in, from the deal side, President Trump, as we know, has been looking to lower the price of oil, not just for Americans, but also as a foreign policy instrument that can be used in these negotiations.

00:07:15.080 He's pointed out again and again that the only reason that Russia would be able to fund this war was because of the high oil prices that existed in the Biden regime.

00:07:25.440 These were conditions that Biden and Jake Sullivan absolutely created.

00:07:29.080 So, they would never have been able to do that, the Iranians would never have been able to fund operations across the Middle East, and the Saudis never would have been able to buy up half of the PGA, as a matter of fact. 0.91

00:07:41.280 And again, a lot of that's predicated on national sovereign wealth fund, which is something that President Trump wants to put the U.S. in the driver's seat on for having our own sovereign wealth fund.

00:07:52.360 Obviously, as you can tell, I'm here on the Treasury trip, so we're learning a lot about economics.

00:07:59.080 So, a huge piece of that that I asked the Secretary was, well, why not have U.S. LNG be sold to Ukraine and have that be a part of the deal?

00:08:09.120 One of the questions they had, they said, was, well, Ukraine doesn't have the infrastructure facilities for receiving the LNG.

00:08:16.520 They don't have an LNG platform, and I pointed out, well, Poland has an LNG platform, so couldn't some of those pipelines or potentially some of that pipeline infrastructure simply flow in the other direction?

00:08:27.020 And so, instead of the Russian oil flowing to Europe, you have American LNG coming through Poland and flowing to Ukraine.

00:08:36.480 There may be a way for that to take place, so we'll see if that happens, we'll see how the negotiations go.

00:08:42.740 So, when we embarked on this trip, they didn't have it set up already, and it certainly wasn't public.

00:08:49.180 Of course, if you're listening to this, it's only because they're already safely out of the territory of Ukraine.

00:08:56.300 And look, when it comes down to it, the idea here is that for operational security purposes,

00:09:01.120 we're not going to be putting that out publicly because we don't post anything when we're in a high-risk area unless we're already out of that high-risk area.

00:09:13.020 So, of course, I'd like to maintain that operational security while I make my way to the NATO conference in the coming days.

00:09:19.580 So, looking forward to all of this, we have to understand, and Zelensky has to understand,

00:09:26.320 that the first deal is always going to be the best one.

00:09:28.960 The first deal is absolutely, this is the Gucci deal, this is President Trump coming in and saying,

00:09:34.580 I want to end this war, and also look at this economically.

00:09:38.360 I want there to be an economic benefit for the American people, but also I want to stop the killing.

00:09:44.540 So, how can the American people achieve anything?

00:09:49.000 How can the American people actually get something that they want and something that will help them out of this?

00:09:55.340 So, rather than putting tariffs on just countries that we trade with,

00:09:59.940 why not also increase U.S. investment stake, increase U.S. direct investment through the sovereign wealth fund,

00:10:07.300 where am I in?

00:10:07.980 Rather than having to increase taxes or increase spending and then decrease taxes and have spending stay the same,

00:10:16.140 what if your assets actually went up and so your spending could be decreased as well as decreasing taxes?

00:10:23.660 Again, this is President Trump's plan.

00:10:26.300 It's a bold plan.

00:10:27.220 It's a completely different way of looking at government.

00:10:29.740 It's a completely different way of looking at what our government can do and what it is,

00:10:33.520 because we've always seen, for governments in the past, it's taxing the American people, you spend,

00:10:39.380 but the government has never really done anything in terms of a money-making endeavor.

00:10:44.900 President Trump, of course, what does he look at the government as?

00:10:47.780 He looks at it as a business.

00:10:49.220 He looks at himself as the CEO of that business.

00:10:52.780 So, we're here currently on the front lines of the business of peace, and peace is costly, and that's what this is about.

00:11:05.200 What is the price to stop the war?

00:11:08.420 What is the price to stop the killing?

00:11:10.320 And by the way, and I said this to the Secretary as well,

00:11:13.640 the Russians are going to have a say as well,

00:11:15.340 because if the Russians don't like the deal, they're going to veto it.

00:11:18.220 If the Russians don't like the deal, they still have their military, yes.

00:11:22.500 The oil prices have been going down, and that will have an effect on Russia's economy.

00:11:26.700 That will certainly have an effect on their ability to make war. 0.83

00:11:30.260 But make no mistake, when the Russians view NATO as an existential threat,

00:11:35.200 and they view this area as historically part of Russia,

00:11:40.280 and go back to Tucker Carlson's interview with Vladimir Putin,

00:11:42.780 and when Lavrov talked about it as well,

00:11:44.260 they view this as an existential threat to their security.

00:11:47.620 So, if that is truly the case, will the deal stand?

00:11:54.140 Will the deal be enough to placate that desire?

00:11:58.340 Will the peace hold?

00:12:02.340 You can win the war, but you have to also win the peace.

00:12:07.920 Let's see what happens.

00:12:14.040 So here we are.

00:12:15.300 Day two begins.

00:12:17.620 We are on the outskirts of Kiev, Ukraine.

00:12:20.080 We have come through, spent the night here on the train.

00:12:25.300 We have relational accommodations, as you can see.

00:12:32.300 Just about 20 minutes now from arriving at Kiev Central Station.

00:12:38.440 We are here, Human Events Daily, just about three months into the outbreak of the Ukraine-Russian war.

00:12:50.120 And now we are here again, three years later.

00:12:54.300 We are here at the start, and hopefully, here, what should be at the end.

00:13:04.580 You can see the frost on the ground, some snow, not too much, smoke coming up from the chimneys as we pass by the villages and settlements outside of Kiev.

00:13:17.640 Later today, Secretary Besant will be meeting with President Zelensky, presenting that new deal to him from President Trump.

00:13:32.100 In person, by the way, not going to Munich, not going to Vienna or Brussels, one of those places.

00:13:39.780 Now, we've come all the way here to Kiev, to the center of things, to the heart of the matter, to directly get down to business.

00:13:51.460 So, that's where we're going to go today.

00:13:55.460 The house is now starting to get a bit larger, getting closer and closer into Kiev proper.

00:14:06.460 Won't be long now.

00:14:12.460 We are here in Kiev, loaded up on our way to go and see President Zelensky.

00:14:19.460 As well as a number of other government officials here in the city.

00:14:28.460 Here in Kiev, just had Secretary Besant meet with the Prime Minister of Ukraine, discussed the economic deal that he's looking to put forward for Ukraine and the United States.

00:14:40.460 He said he wants to intertwine the economy's continued material support for Ukraine from the United States side.

00:14:49.460 That signaled both to the Ukrainian leadership and the Russian leadership that America does intend to support a fully independent Ukraine.

00:14:58.460 The United States is committed to Ukraine's independence and is also committed that the American people will also understand what we're doing here.

00:15:07.460 The President Trump has a plan to end this war and that we would like an economic cooperation agreement.

00:15:17.460 And in exchange for this agreement, the U.S. will continue to provide material support for the Ukraine, for the people, and we believe that this agreement will be a strong signal to Russian leadership of the U.S. commitment that we have here.

00:15:38.460 And we think it will be a strong signal to the American people that the money that is coming to Ukraine, we have shared values, we have shared security, and we look to increase our shared economic development.

00:15:59.460 Thank you very much.

00:16:09.460 Latino Ulysses offshore care is all the 0.97

00:16:15.980 United States.

00:16:23.660 Thank you.

00:16:53.660 That's how we do that.

00:17:03.660 Sorry?

00:17:05.660 It's okay.

00:17:18.660 We are back on the night train.

00:17:21.660 We just left Ukraine, where Treasury Secretary had a direct meeting with the delegation

00:17:30.660 of President Vladimir Zelensky.

00:17:33.660 During the time, Secretary Besant proposed and gave his proposal for an economic alliance

00:17:41.660 between the U.S. and Ukraine to President Zelensky.

00:17:45.660 We have some first remarks?

00:17:46.660 Yes.

00:17:47.660 Okay.

00:17:48.660 Thank you very much.

00:17:49.660 Secretary, you're very welcome.

00:17:51.660 First of all, best regards to the President Trump.

00:17:56.660 From me, from the power of people, we are very thankful to you, your country.

00:18:01.660 And your people, like, I can support, we are very thankful to all the support of Ukraine

00:18:05.660 from the very beginning, from the very beginning, to the very beginning.

00:18:07.660 And I am thankful to the President, to his messages that he will support Ukraine and he

00:18:12.660 really wants to stop this war.

00:18:14.660 And I know that he's strong man, and I'm sure that he will push Putin.

00:18:21.660 And of course, I want to discuss with you some financial sanctions, which are very important

00:18:29.660 to put on Russians, some additional sanctions, where it's long steps, while they really take

00:18:36.660 great potential.

00:18:37.660 And that will be good.

00:18:40.660 The second point, we are thankful for the decision of G7 about 50 million, but it's not

00:18:45.660 enough.

00:18:46.660 We are trying to do everything.

00:18:48.660 At the time, Zelensky was not prepared to sign this deal.

00:18:52.660 He came back and said that they would overlook it, that he would look at it with his team,

00:18:58.660 and they're potentially looking at now signing it by Friday, the date of the Munich Security

00:19:03.660 Conference, and his one-on-one meeting with J.D. Vance.

00:19:08.660 We're, of course, happy to welcome the Ukrainian delegation led by President Zelensky.

00:19:13.660 We had a number of fruitful conversations, a number of things for us to follow up and work

00:19:17.660 on.

00:19:18.660 And fundamentally, the goal is, as President Trump outlined it, we want the war to come to a

00:19:23.660 close.

00:19:24.660 We want the killing to stop, but we want to achieve a durable, lasting peace, not the kind

00:19:31.660 of peace that's going to have Eastern Europe in conflict just a couple years down the road.

00:19:35.660 So we had a number of good conversations about how we might accomplish that together, and

00:19:39.660 certainly we'll have many more in the days, weeks, and months to come.

00:19:43.660 However, what Zelensky didn't know was that during that same timeframe, President Trump

00:19:49.660 was holding another conversation, a conversation directly with President Vladimir Putin.

00:19:56.660 Trump said in a post that went up almost coordinated to the very minute when we walked out of Zelensky's

00:20:05.660 presidential offices.

00:20:06.660 He essentially was saying that the United States and Russia are going to look to work

00:20:13.660 together on all partnerships, all cooperation, working together, not just to end the Ukraine

00:20:21.660 war, but also looking to potentially open the door towards renormalization of ties economically

00:20:28.660 and otherwise between Russia and the West.

00:20:32.660 So rather than stay on the escalatory spiral of NATO and Russia going back and forth, try

00:20:40.660 to find a way off of that.

00:20:42.660 And President Trump said that he and Putin had a long conversation.

00:20:45.660 Putin emphasized the need for common sense, a refrain of President Trump's from during the

00:20:51.660 campaign.

00:20:52.660 And also very significantly, President Trump said that he agreed to host Putin in the United

00:21:00.660 States, as well as he himself, President Trump traveled to Russia.

00:21:06.660 This is something that a few years ago would have been unthinkable.

00:21:11.660 This is something going back to 2016 would have been seen as unthinkable 2017.

00:21:16.660 And then 2018, I was at the one Putin Trump summit, which took place in Helsinki, Finland.

00:21:24.660 And even then, all those years ago, I remember Jim Acosta, CNN, and the entire media losing

00:21:31.660 their absolute minds over the conversation that Trump and Putin had, which honestly at the

00:21:37.660 time was pretty bland.

00:21:39.660 Now what's going on now is something far bigger.

00:21:42.660 And I think Zelensky is starting to realize that perhaps he didn't quite have all the

00:21:47.660 leverage that he thought he did.

00:21:49.660 And he overplayed his hand, certainly with President Trump, because the idea is this.

00:21:55.660 The American people don't want any more war.

00:21:58.660 The American people don't want to see other countries put ahead of them.

00:22:01.660 The American people don't want to see these massive outflows of money from the United States

00:22:08.660 to these endless wars.

00:22:10.660 And so if there's some economic viability project, this is, of course, what President

00:22:17.660 Trump's plan was talking about minerals, other resources, a deal that can be done between

00:22:22.660 the U.S. and Ukraine.

00:22:23.660 That's something that perhaps the American people can get behind.

00:22:27.660 But this idea of continuing to find an endless war, simply not in the cards.

00:22:32.660 And so Zelensky going and acting like this thing can go on indefinitely, I think it gravely

00:22:41.660 underestimates the mood of where the American people currently are.

00:22:45.660 I think it gravely underestimates his own leverage as he sits there in Kyiv.

00:22:50.660 Now, President Trump has said he wants to end the war and is certainly willing to do so 0.99

00:22:55.660 in a way that sets up Kyiv for at least a peaceful future and peaceful success because

00:23:01.660 he doesn't want it on his head that the war continued or that he wasn't able to get a

00:23:05.660 peace deal done.

00:23:06.660 He's, of course, made this peace deal and specifically the Ukraine peace deal one of

00:23:11.660 the top priorities of his foreign policy.

00:23:14.660 That's why he's pushing so hard for this at the same time as the usual Gaza peace deal, 0.52

00:23:19.660 but also with this understanding, this is something that President Trump has always said, that

00:23:22.660 the Russian state isn't some Middle Eastern country.

00:23:25.660 This isn't Iraq. 0.69

00:23:26.660 This isn't Afghanistan. 0.54

00:23:27.660 This isn't Libya.

00:23:28.660 This isn't North Korea.

00:23:29.660 This isn't some country that can just be pushed around because they're so small.

00:23:32.660 They are, in fact, a leading nuclear power and the leading nuclear power in the world,

00:23:37.660 a country where it makes sense that he, President Trump has said this again and again,

00:23:41.660 it makes sense for the United States and Russia to get along.

00:23:45.660 It doesn't mean you have to like each other.

00:23:46.660 It doesn't mean you have to agree with each other, but get along because that is in the

00:23:51.660 greatest interest.

00:23:52.660 The greatest interest of all is world peace.

00:23:54.660 I've got two little boys.

00:23:57.660 I don't want to see those boys grow up and having to have the sort of Damocles hanging

00:24:02.660 over them of a third world war, a war where they're sent to fight the Russian czar on the

00:24:10.660 marshes and the frozen steppe of Ukrainian hinterlands.

00:24:15.660 It's just not something that's in the cards for me.

00:24:18.660 I want my kids to grow up strong.

00:24:19.660 I want them to grow up old, but I don't want their lives to be wasted in excess of another

00:24:26.660 war of the global elites.

00:24:28.660 No, there's a way where everyone can come out of this win-win.

00:24:32.660 And that's what President Trump had that conversation with Putin about.

00:24:36.660 And then President Trump turned right around and called President Zelensky.

00:24:39.660 And Zelensky once again, committed to peace and is also looking for that security partnership.

00:24:45.660 So folks, as the night train continues, we will continue on.

00:24:55.660 That's the reason we made this trip.

00:24:57.660 That's the reason we went all the way into the heart of Kyiv, here three years after

00:25:04.660 the war began.

00:25:05.660 We were here when it started.

00:25:08.660 Hopefully, we can be here for the beginning of the end.

00:25:12.660 I'm your correspondent, Ukraine, Jack Masovic with the Cuban Events Daily.

00:25:18.660 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

00:25:25.660 Thank you.

00:25:26.660 Thank you.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - February 19, 2025

HUMAN EVENT DAILY SPECIAL REPORT： THE NIGHT TRAIN TO KIEV

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