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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.

00:00:36.040 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:47.280 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:50.420 Christ is king!

00:00:52.580 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to a special AmFest edition of Human Events Daily.

00:00:58.780 We're very excited here to have the illustrious panel with us.

00:01:02.140 We've got rich Barris, the people's pundit.

00:01:05.880 And we've got Graham Allen, long time turning point contributor.

00:01:10.120 Probably.

00:01:10.520 I want to say you were probably one of the original turning point contributors

00:01:14.160 when they started the entire program out.

00:01:17.040 It's been a long time.

00:01:18.440 It's been, it's been a riot, man.

00:01:20.300 For sure.

00:01:20.820 Yeah.

00:01:21.060 I remember, cause I remember I'd be working at a one American news and I

00:01:24.960 would come to cover it and it'd be like you anna polina whole number of people up there with

00:01:30.040 charlie that was like the first generation you know the first class i'm the new class

00:01:33.860 of the contributors for sure you know it's it's been quite a ride and one of the things and graham

00:01:39.480 maybe i'll even ask you this first one of the the narratives that people have been asking about this

00:01:44.680 turning point as they say my gosh is turning point turning into a food fight is it's is it

00:01:51.560 divisive are people divided are people attacking each other up on stage what's going on what is

00:01:57.780 your take on that well that's that's the i'll just say that's the outside mainstream narrative

00:02:04.300 of what's going on in here so compare that to what you're seeing outside versus what you see here

00:02:09.580 well i'll compare it to what i've asked the people around here and the feedback that i've

00:02:15.180 been getting them and what i'll say is this i agree i'm all about a good fight i love it

00:02:21.840 grandma never shied away from a fight i have to pray through it because i i i love awkward

00:02:27.900 fighting too much like like that's something about myself however i get it that look our

00:02:35.640 coalition our side everything we're never going to agree on 100 of everything and that's one thing

00:02:41.360 that charlie did so well is he was able to get people to put the the secondary disagreements

00:02:49.680 aside for the mission first purpose of hey and charlie behind the scenes on stage you know this

00:02:57.080 jack charlie would never tell anyone what to say however he would challenge them to perhaps think

00:03:03.760 about how to deliver it differently he would say okay i know you're really passionate about this

00:03:09.520 but have you thought about if you say it like that is that going to lead to the actual outcome

00:03:15.860 that you want it to be and and i thought that's something that charlie did really well and so what

00:03:20.300 i will say now is this i get it we got people in our movement that they don't agree on a lot of

00:03:25.840 things and and i think we have to be honest with ourselves there is infighting going on right now

00:03:30.760 we've seen it live on the stage people throwing daggers this and that my question is this i'm all

00:03:37.100 about fighting out the issues that i think blake said this yesterday fighting out now in december

00:03:43.180 instead of in november i got it but my question is this we're all about debate and open dialogue

00:03:50.020 my critique of what's going on right now is are we actually having debates or are we actually

00:03:57.660 dropping quote-unquote truth grenades of whatever side that we're having the problems on and then

00:04:03.320 we're walking off the stage and we're letting the internet decide and then my question to that is

00:04:08.800 how does that lead us towards the mission of actually making heaven crowded and securing

00:04:15.860 the midterm and so that's my critique of what we're saying right i think that's a great point

00:04:19.860 i think it's a valid point as well that and i remember charlie even at the very last um you

00:04:24.880 know turning point student action summit one that we had in tamper with the very as it turns out we

00:04:30.140 didn't know but it would be the very last turning point event that charlie would be at that he held

00:04:36.780 a debate on and he moderated on the issue of israel and he had dave smith he had josh hammer

00:04:42.660 two very strong uh believers different side of the issue but you know i believe two people who

00:04:47.760 are willing to come at that have that healthy debate and charlie said let's facilitate it

00:04:52.680 let's have that conversation let people decide for themselves he didn't tell either of them what to

00:04:58.600 say. He didn't tell anybody what to think, but he said, let's have the debate because I believe

00:05:03.240 his idea was to keep the coalition together. And as you said, we need to focus on the main mission,

00:05:09.860 winning the midterms and defeating the radical left. Rich Barris, you look at this from a polling

00:05:15.520 perspective, you see the media narrative of, oh, there's this division at turning point,

00:05:22.500 division in the coalition the fracture was charlie kirk the tentpole holding it up i think that

00:05:30.240 personally i think we saw a lot of this going on prior to charlie's death as a matter of fact and

00:05:36.060 as unfortunate as it is the last couple weeks of his life were actually focused on dealing

00:05:42.580 with this division and then what happened was his mitigating presence was lost so those divisions

00:05:49.560 just flared up and spilled out into the public. But I just I know from, you know, being behind

00:05:55.260 the scenes or being able to help wherever I could, that those divisions already exist. So, Rich,

00:06:00.740 talk to me about are these divisions legitimate? Are they real? Do you see it in the polling

00:06:07.280 numbers when it comes out to voters? These things that we talk about Israel, these things that we

00:06:13.140 talk about Charlie Kirk's murder itself, some of these other issues that have come up on stage,

00:06:18.060 where do we see that as the actual electorate so i'm glad you said that part of it though

00:06:24.460 like i think that gets lost in the media narrative that does it does that this was going on when

00:06:29.340 charlie was still alive he was just blue and without his presence it left a bit of a void

00:06:34.880 and i felt like charlie was in the middle of the tug of war in many ways together and now um

00:06:41.620 we're at, I think, a point where because of that absence, that is happening a little bit early and

00:06:48.200 a little bit premature, right? This is a midterm season, right? We could be having this debate in

00:06:53.740 the nomination process for 28. It would be more productive to keep the coalition together and

00:06:58.560 make sure everybody remembers you still have to defeat the Democrats. But from a polling

00:07:02.800 perspective, this was going to happen. This is a huge age thing. We have the old wing of the old

00:07:10.020 guard of the Republican Party. And let's I mean, look, I'm not doing this to throw any bombs. I'm

00:07:14.340 saying let's use the representation. You know, there's Shapiro and Proud kind of wing of the

00:07:20.200 Republican Party. And then you have I'm not sure he would even cast himself this way, but you have

00:07:25.440 Tucker being used. And this is really just a proxy battle for the future coming up in 28. Who's going

00:07:30.620 to be the nominee? The direction the party is going to go in. The fact of the matter is, I think some

00:07:35.660 people have to understand that the age demographics of this younger voters younger right-wing voters

00:07:41.640 are more mad they're not isolationist but they are more MAGA and that's because they feel so deeply

00:07:48.260 the dire threat to their own future and their own ability to live the American dream you do see this

00:07:53.760 massive age signal with 50 under 45 under 50 whatever however you know demographic bucket

00:07:59.120 you want to put it in so it was bound to happen Jack it was going to happen and I well and I see

00:08:04.700 this with younger voters all the time you i think we said earlier what did we say under 50 under 50

00:08:08.900 under 50 under 40 crowd is when it comes to a lot of the foreign policy stuff they'll say yeah okay

00:08:15.280 but what about me exactly what about us what are you doing for us what are we getting out of this

00:08:20.500 and so when they say america first they don't necessarily mean that like you say it does that

00:08:26.240 you know we have to recede from the world and be isolationist all this but they would like to see

00:08:31.040 more of a prioritization on issues of americans the issues of veterans and rather than this this

00:08:39.420 foreign policy push that they feel for so long had been the focus of the republican party and oh by

00:08:45.760 the way those are the same conditions that led to the rise of maga of populism of donald trump in

00:08:52.100 the first place in 2016 so graham i'll toss that back to you because you're you're in there you're

00:08:57.560 on the fight right here on rumble every day when you're talking to those people do they want to go

00:09:02.820 back to the old style republican party no nobody wants to go back to the old style but again i've

00:09:10.500 talked about this a lot as as people with large platforms we have a responsibility to have

00:09:19.000 discernment of what we throw out there when we throw it out that's why i've had problems with

00:09:25.520 a certain uh female vocal uh person behind the mic that's why i've had questions of some of the

00:09:33.160 things tucker does i believe tucker believes in the truth i believe tucker believes in finding

00:09:38.540 out the truth i question do you need to have every single one of your conversations in front

00:09:44.600 of your entire audience in front of the entire world does that lead to more clarity or more

00:09:49.140 confusion. No one wants to go back to the old way, but I see it in my audience all the time.

00:09:56.220 You see it all the time. This is what we see every single day right now. We see either you've

00:10:02.620 abandoned Israel or you're a paid Israel shill or you're paid by Qatar to hate Muslims and all 0.94

00:10:10.340 this other stuff. We have allowed this narrative that may or may not be influencing the actual

00:10:16.320 polls but we're allowing it to pick up more and more steam to where more and more people are

00:10:22.220 becoming more and more isolationist and more and more it is america not america first but america

00:10:29.320 only and that's what that's that that is a real thing that we are starting to see rich when you

00:10:35.400 talk because you as as ol you're polling voters you're conducting focus groups all the time

00:10:39.440 here's here's what i would would even ask is is that really being driven by a difference in

00:10:45.860 foreign policy, or is it being driven by the anger of feeling that these issues are coming ahead of

00:10:52.860 American economic issues? It's, it's real. It's the anger. I mean, that's, we could see it been

00:10:59.180 going on for a long time. It's not new to this fight that everyone's been having inside. This

00:11:05.460 is something that's been trending like this for, for many years now. So I do think that what Graham

00:11:11.700 said. There's validity, though, to what Graham said, that there is this other side of that that

00:11:16.340 maybe sees an opportunity to get this fight started now. I don't know what I'm not going

00:11:22.060 to assign motives to what they may be thinking, but they for some reason view that it's an

00:11:26.600 opportunity to try to hatch this out or even bring it in a totally different direction from

00:11:32.220 where it actually started from with that anger. So, look, I think a great example is the Trump

00:11:37.220 administration. And we, this is a reason why that a lot of this really came up. It was regardless

00:11:43.180 what was going on, you know, starting in the spring and then going into the summer,

00:11:47.200 there were a lot of these voters who already were angry, who felt like they got, they wanted more

00:11:52.140 out of Donald Trump than what they were getting. And then Trump got distracted. And to them,

00:11:57.160 it was a here we go again moment. Every time we get our president, every time it's our turn,

00:12:04.580 they take it from us that is the feeling the voters have and honestly are they wrong

00:12:11.900 they're right so how are you going i mean that's that's just a fact so i mean they're influencers

00:12:19.480 and pundits yeah i guess we have a sway over people jack but they're gonna do and think what

00:12:24.840 they're gonna do and think based on the reality of their world and their experience and we're just

00:12:29.740 We're here to be we're here for the ride and we're here to be observers and we try to call balls and strikes as we see it.

00:12:36.360 But I mean, we can exacerbate that public opinion, but I don't think we can create it.

00:12:40.420 I think that's created by their own reality and their own experience.

00:12:43.860 Yeah. And I think there's a palpable anger out there.

00:12:45.940 And I'll just say it. I remember at the last major turning point event, that student action summit, that was right at the same time.

00:12:55.340 The first big blow up that you saw regarding this was the Epstein files.

00:13:01.020 Yes.

00:13:01.280 And the Epstein files came out.

00:13:02.720 And by the way, we did get this trove last night and I've been running around here at

00:13:07.100 these different events, but I saw, I was able to scroll through a number of rows of things.

00:13:11.980 My God, some of the grossest stuff I've ever seen.

00:13:16.300 They ought to call these a Clinton, the Clinton Epstein files, by the way, because Bill Clinton

00:13:20.200 all over there and there's some pictures that just from a cursory look at it those are little

00:13:26.680 kids all right there's little kids in this stuff the epstein files and so i don't think anyone

00:13:32.960 would be surprised if we pointed out that the way the epstein files were treated by the

00:13:38.360 administration was a misstep it was a major misstep first they gave out the binders to you

00:13:44.060 know myself included right i was in the group with the binders and they give this to us and they say

00:13:48.900 hey this is phase one and we said okay what about phase two what about phase three are we going to

00:13:54.560 get more and people kind of i've talked about a million times but i said look i went to the white

00:13:59.640 house i asked the president of the united states the attorney general director of the fbi said

00:14:03.960 release the epstein file please do that and then they hand us this binder and then people say oh

00:14:09.620 well why do you didn't go hard enough i said what else do you want me to do i went all the way in

00:14:13.160 ask for them and we got what we got then in the summer we were told there isn't anything more

00:14:19.160 now here we are it's december we're getting more and as horrible and horrific and disgusting as

00:14:26.400 these files are and i'm glad that they're out and i'm glad that people fought to get them out

00:14:31.240 and i called for them to come out on stage at the last turning point event the fact of the matter is

00:14:37.440 should have been done right away they shouldn't have pumped the brakes and that really led to

00:14:41.760 this first break I would say publicly with these type of voters you're talking about I mean Graham

00:14:46.760 Young MAGA and Young MAGA Graham I'm sure you saw the same same sentiment yeah I mean you know I

00:14:53.180 mean there's still people mad even about this launch because of all the redactions there's

00:14:57.640 redactions right there's a lot there's a lot of redactions and so people want to know and you

00:15:03.300 know depending on who you ask in the administration right now even at the highest levels they will

00:15:08.140 admit that was a that was a major misstep there and they know it that was a major misstep uh same

00:15:14.640 thing with the truth of whether we've got the epstein files versus the epstein client list

00:15:20.780 we needed to do a better job of messaging than we did which said hey what we should have said was

00:15:28.540 hey we're going to go in there but the democrats have been in power for the past five or four

00:15:34.320 years there's no telling what they have done to this thing they're not there may not be a list

00:15:40.440 there may not be anything we don't know because we haven't been in there yet i think the american

00:15:46.000 people would have responded better and bondy i would say if you remember the very first thing

00:15:52.120 that she said was that the files that she saw made her sick to her stomach you remember when

00:15:57.040 she said that and so i think it was her saying that and then switching but then suddenly we get

00:16:03.080 from the DOJ. There's nothing else to getting these pictures, which made me, I said, wait a

00:16:08.880 minute. So she must have seen this. So she knew that this was real, that it was all real. And

00:16:14.920 let me tell you something. There are no photos of Donald Trump frolicking in swimming pools with

00:16:21.280 redacted underage girls. There's photos of Bill Clinton in those swimming pools. He's in the hot

00:16:28.020 tubs. He's in the spas with the girls. And you watch suddenly the Democrats are all going to

00:16:32.240 stop talking about the epstein file yeah and look like we can't over step over the moment when trump

00:16:39.180 sent that post to those who were frustrated yeah and he said you know what this is a hoax and if

00:16:45.300 you're not hearing me and you wouldn't just go away and leave me alone and then i don't want

00:16:49.060 your support anymore and we heard people in our own polling go no i don't i i strongly disapprove

00:16:55.660 okay elaborate on that why didn't you hear what the president said he doesn't want my support

00:17:00.940 anymore that happened that was real so i mean i don't mean to throw shade at the president here

00:17:07.040 but it was mishandled it should have been acknowledged that it was mishandled all you

00:17:10.880 had to do was do a gram just that which i told multiple people by the way at the time all you

00:17:16.660 had to do was say listen this is the same agency who had the russia hoax this is the same agency

00:17:22.140 who lied about this right robert muller's agency jim comey's agency it's gonna take us some time

00:17:28.640 to go through all this stuff to make sure innocent people don't get hurt.

00:17:31.920 But we hear you, I promise you, I promise you still, I'll get it to you.

00:17:36.220 Trump has more grace with the American voter than any politician ever.

00:17:39.940 They would have believed that.

00:17:41.720 Would you have been able to string them along for four years?

00:17:44.120 No.

00:17:44.760 But it would have given you time to go through it.

00:17:46.860 He handled that, the whole entire administration handled that,

00:17:50.420 about the worst you could possibly handle or mishandle.

00:17:54.060 a sensitive situation like the epstein files with multiple myriad pitfalls and instead of

00:18:01.140 trying to course correct he fired off that tweet telling everybody and then they you know that we

00:18:07.080 don't want the support so we we can't overlook that and then the pivot and i think this is where

00:18:11.840 israel is almost a victim of this the pivot from that moment to now leave me alone i have to deal

00:18:17.840 with iran for israel was just a one two two piece the chant of maga and that was the next month it 1.00

00:18:25.600 was it was the very next month and so it made it gave certain female podcasters ammunition

00:18:34.000 and it really did and not and by the way and i'm say candace and it's candace not that you know

00:18:40.380 you know it's not like the name who can't be said or something but and it wasn't just her there were

00:18:45.320 A lot of people, I think, in the audience and a lot of people out there, regular folks, good folks, who felt very upset about all of these things and said, wait a minute, this isn't what I voted for.

00:18:56.040 This isn't what I came out for in 2024.

00:18:57.900 And it's an example, I would say, that proves Graham's point about how the things people say and the acts that they take can really have an effect on the broader picture.

00:19:10.940 And I want to put a pin in that because that's so important.

00:19:14.520 We have to be very careful about all of this.

00:19:17.600 The other point of contention that beyond that, now the files are out, but it's done

00:19:21.840 in such a way that, you know, I don't think President Trump is going to get credit for

00:19:25.080 releasing these, although he does deserve credit.

00:19:28.300 And this is something that I will always defend and point out.

00:19:32.220 His administration actually arrested Epstein in 2019.

00:19:36.740 That was the original Trump administration.

00:19:39.040 And yet everybody seems to overlook the fact that Donald Trump is the one who actually

00:19:43.300 brought epstein to justice and depending on how far you believe on this some people even think

00:19:48.720 it was his administration that killed him right and honestly if you follow which i'm not saying

00:19:55.220 they did that i'm just saying that you know wouldn't it logically state that not too many

00:19:59.800 jack not too many people even as private citizens living in that upper class socialite world ever

00:20:06.360 said or did anything to challenge jeffrey epstein no and donald trump was literally the only one

00:20:12.540 to say, you know what, you know, we're not doing this. You're out of Mar-a-Lago because

00:20:17.060 I'm hearing these stories. So nobody else can say that. When you look at Donald Trump's

00:20:22.120 association with Jeffrey Epstein, he comes out cleaner than anyone else that was involved with

00:20:26.980 this guy. Come out cleaner than Reid Hoffman. He comes out cleaner than Bill Gates, Larry Summers.

00:20:32.900 He comes out cleaner than, of course, Bill Clinton, all these people. And yes, that includes

00:20:38.080 Ehud Barak, who was the Prime Minister of Israel, and who was the head of Israeli intelligence. 0.95

00:20:43.480 By the way, all of these things are just true. They're just true. And if we sit there and try

00:20:48.380 to lie about them and say, oh, you can't talk about that, then guess what? That's what galvanizes

00:20:53.260 people, and it's what gives credence to people who believe that perhaps Israel is controlling 0.80

00:20:59.040 all of American thought or all of American politics if you sit there and act like that.

00:21:03.660 The other piece that I wanted to get into while I do have you guys

00:21:08.080 is that one of these things now is as horrific as every Epstein's crimes were, they were in the

00:21:13.600 past. There are victims. The victims, I believe, are getting reconstitution and reparations now

00:21:20.640 from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein. By the way, I love that if there was no Epstein client list,

00:21:25.520 then who's getting all these retribution checks, right? So clearly there's been some kind of

00:21:30.640 victim list. So there is one case, though, that is currently pending. And it's something that

00:21:37.500 really burned me up last week when i saw tyler robinson walk into that courtroom and he started

00:21:44.380 grinning he started smirking he started sharing these little little smiles with his defense

00:21:51.040 attorney that burned me up that really burned me up and this is a real trial that is ongoing

00:21:59.780 there is another hearing that comes up in february i believe there's another one that

00:22:04.100 comes up, the actual arraignment is still pending. It's going to be later on in the winter. The actual

00:22:09.400 trial may not start for several months, but because there has been so much contention over

00:22:16.280 this issue that I think people have gotten very far away from the actual facts and evidence of

00:22:22.760 the case that show to my mind, based on everything that I've looked at, that Tyler Robinson was the

00:22:29.700 one who pulled the trigger and murdered our friend charlie no i agree i i mean i i do agree

00:22:36.900 in that now do i also have questions with all these discord channels and people that had

00:22:43.160 right now absolutely but yeah i mean there is more if this was any other thing everybody would

00:22:51.300 be like yeah you know how many times has there been a trans shooter that was involved in one

00:22:57.120 of these cases you know a trans shooter at a school for nashville minneapolis the trans shooters

00:23:02.940 that we've seen again and again and again and we say yep that was the person but for some reason

00:23:07.440 this one everyone says no no it couldn't possibly be him well not everyone but certain people and

00:23:13.240 again it goes to the discernment of things that i'm talking about here candace has just as many

00:23:20.940 connections as we do like she can make the same phone calls we can now whether or not they'll 0.95

00:23:25.480 pick a phone these days or different she can have these conversations she could have had a lot of

00:23:31.860 the conversations uh early on these things could have happened early on but her choosing along with

00:23:39.100 other people choosing to take it immediately to social media to let people who actually don't

00:23:45.980 have any idea what's going on uh now candace is even alluding to the fact of yeah there are things

00:23:52.520 we don't know because they're not releasing everything that they have to us because and i

00:23:57.340 would i would agree with that i would actually agree with that that in these cases and rich

00:24:01.400 i'll bring you in a second that i would like to see more records videos whatever is out there

00:24:08.740 released publicly in the charlie kirk murder case we know there's more records we know there's more

00:24:15.760 videos out there people are so sick of being of the lack of transparency you'll want to get it

00:24:21.920 out there and have it known let the public know and rich because you've done and a lot of people

00:24:27.960 don't may not know this that not only do you do public polling for politics you have corporate

00:24:31.920 clients and you all that you work for the from brand management these types of perspectives

00:24:36.020 but also you do uh jury polling in various various locales various jurisdictions so on this issue

00:24:44.900 this question of transparency. I get that the legal system says, we don't want to show any

00:24:53.000 evidence until we get to that trial phase, until we get to the probable cause phase. However,

00:24:59.420 we now live in a 24-7 information environment where the stuff you see on your phone,

00:25:08.180 on these little pieces of glass every day is constant. It is a constant barrage of information.

00:25:13.840 so my question is it almost seems like the presupposition has changed from you have to

00:25:22.120 wait until trial to oh they're not showing us information they must be hiding something you

00:25:26.880 get what i'm saying and do you hear that when you talk to prospective jurors i i yeah i do and i do

00:25:33.160 think that charlie's i'll actually say it's kind of like we saw the csi effect in the 2000s now i

00:25:39.820 would say we've got the social media effect yeah and it's a true crime effect yeah and much more

00:25:45.140 amplified and i i think that we will have to find a better way to tackle our authorities we're gonna

00:25:50.040 have to find a better way to attack tackle this because you do have podcasters who decide i think

00:25:54.440 i'm gonna live stream an investigation and it would you know in real time and that's what people

00:26:00.200 want they want answers fast uh the problem is with that jack i mean immediately my major concern

00:26:06.580 was this is going to take it to jury all you all you need is one person who may even look and sit

00:26:14.020 throughout the entire trial and hear the facts hear the evidence and decide that maybe i still

00:26:20.100 believe somebody else not being held accountable here and they god forbid cast a not guilty verdict

00:26:27.980 i mean this has happened this happened before in eye profile cases look i think charlie's case is

00:26:33.740 a little bit different jack it has to be treated differently people on the state side of this are

00:26:39.620 going to have to come to grips with the appetite for information prosecution yeah the prosecution

00:26:43.720 side of the state and by the way i would remind people again you know i don't trust the fbi either

00:26:48.860 but guess what the fbi is not prosecuting this case so i hear this repeatedly well why are you 0.66

00:26:54.380 taking the fbi's word for why do you believe the fbi why are you pushing that fed slop why are you

00:26:58.780 why are you pushing the feds flop the fbi is not prosecuting this case this is a state case all

00:27:05.260 right so again i i i don't want to say it's like almost a matter of national security interest

00:27:11.880 but there is he this was the most high profile assassination in our lifetime political assassin

00:27:17.860 you have to share more you have to try to do better i get it um so in the future though we

00:27:25.700 do have to on our side of it that's when the state side from our side of it we do have to

00:27:30.460 think about what grant said at the very beginning of this which is we do have a responsibility

00:27:35.340 i mean we we can go back to oj there was a witness in the oj case they saw him pull away

00:27:42.660 but by the time the prosecution ever got around to try to use that witness she had been all over

00:27:47.960 the media and all over all these other people who had other theories of the case and her testimony

00:27:52.920 was garbage it was incredible it was never admissible in court it was never brought up in

00:27:57.840 court so we we also have to do better i get everybody's want and desire for information but 0.70

00:28:03.480 take that to the proper channels take that to the pro don't take it to your podcast audience

00:28:09.140 and start talking because you really can take the jury and go out so far as to say

00:28:14.020 you know there there are even medical records that potentially could be released

00:28:18.720 A lot of people have questions about the ballistics in this.

00:28:22.580 Let's get a ballistics report out.

00:28:24.240 You say, what was recovered, right?

00:28:26.400 We know that we can do this.

00:28:27.780 And yeah, it is morbid for me to be sitting here in AmFest and talking about a guy who

00:28:32.360 was my friend and talking about a guy who did get shot in the neck in front of so many

00:28:36.680 people.

00:28:37.520 But if there's questions about the ballistics, you can release a ballistics report and you

00:28:42.960 can have that out and you can have people say, all right, this was the bullet that was

00:28:46.560 recovered.

00:28:47.380 We have it.

00:28:47.900 we have it in custody it's going to be entered in let's just release that turns out bullets do

00:28:53.100 do a strange thing they do do weird things right because that's a whole other line of questioning

00:28:57.740 people yeah and so but i mean that would i think i think that sunlight is the best disinfectant

00:29:02.900 here on a lot of this i really do i would also add that beyond that beyond that you mentioned

00:29:10.380 the fbi angle and audio trust the fbi and i said well here's the thing you don't have to rely on

00:29:17.240 the fbi on this that's your hang-up because i've you know certainly have questions as well and and

00:29:23.960 and concerns but it wasn't the fbi who identified tyler robinson tyler robinson was identified

00:29:32.680 after 33 hours when the local campus police i'm sorry they completely failed that day there's no

00:29:39.860 question the the local orem police department was kept at arm's length they weren't allowed to fly

00:29:45.660 their drones and you know who knows what would have happened if they did right i don't like to

00:29:50.180 go down that road because you can't do that in this lifetime um but you know who knows but

00:29:55.780 tyler robinson was turned in by his mother and father right it was his mom and dad who turned

00:30:01.940 him in and i don't know any mom and dad that are going to pick up their phone and make that phone

00:30:08.580 call if they're not sure that their kid did something wrong because they knew this was a

00:30:14.740 case where the president of the United States said, I want the death penalty and you're going

00:30:19.620 to turn your son over. My boys are here today. I can't I can't even imagine. It's an incredible

00:30:26.780 decision. It actually speaks to the goodness of heartland America, the goodness of Christian

00:30:33.000 American fathers and mothers that they were able to do that. And I think it's totally overlooked

00:30:38.400 and overshadowed. And oh, by the way, those parents did come to that courtroom where he was

00:30:44.740 uh, smiling and laughing in the Navy, we would say coconut and joking. I don't know if you guys

00:30:48.660 say that in the army, you say coconut and joking. Yeah. It's must be a Navy. It's a Navy say, okay,

00:30:52.960 but yeah. All right. All right. But yeah, it's a, it's a squibby thing. Uh, I would say it, but

00:30:58.320 at no point during that hearing, did the mother or father go over and the media was all there.

00:31:06.160 Brian was there for news nation. I think he's a good guy at no point. They walk over and say,

00:31:11.720 hey you need to tell the truth because my son didn't do this they were there for hours hours

00:31:16.520 and hours and hours and you don't see a single family member coming out and look i'm not saying

00:31:22.640 that's this positive but i am saying there's a dog that's not barking here the new york times

00:31:27.660 just did an article um watching post watching post watching post hey at the friend they interviewed

00:31:32.420 the friend but they did and as it turns out this is a major lost opportunity for us to talk about

00:31:38.740 political violence in the wake of charlie's assassination we conducted a large study that

00:31:43.860 got no attention at all with the exception of a couple of times you and i discussed right when

00:31:49.280 we mentioned the transgender angle before we went into all of it and now i'll just end up wind up

00:31:54.620 putting it out for everybody to see jack but there's something very real there and i think

00:31:59.220 the one thing that i by myself that i want to know most of all is what grant said what about

00:32:05.360 those discord messages i just did this research i know now how much more likely these subgroup

00:32:12.440 demographic groups trans right how much more likely they are to accept acts of political violence

00:32:19.080 because they themselves feel like they're in danger of something so they don't view words 0.66

00:32:24.900 violence any different they they don't distinguish the two so i want to know what was said in those

00:32:31.280 actually i gotta i gotta on that full credit dr chloe carmichael she's absolutely brilliant on

00:32:39.440 this she said her theory is having the clinical psychologist her theory was you know how they do

00:32:45.940 the etchings into the bullets of the words think of it the combining of words and violence so what

00:32:54.240 they've done because they viewed charlie's words as violence directed at them what did they do

00:32:59.580 They create, we saw Maggioni wrote into the bullets, the anti-ice shooter down in Dallas

00:33:03.900 wrote into the bullets, Tyler Rittenhouse wrote on the bullets.

00:33:06.440 What have they done?

00:33:07.380 It's a pathology.

00:33:08.260 It's a pathology where they make literal violent words, violent words.

00:33:14.020 So Graham, talk to us about the danger of missing this rise of political violence.

00:33:20.160 Well, the first thing I want to, I want to add to everything that you guys did.

00:33:23.860 And so what I would say is this, I think that we live in a world where

00:33:29.440 social media works faster than the justice system and again i think that we as commentators

00:33:37.000 all of us myself included i had this conversation with the vice president

00:33:40.880 probably a week and a half ago we did a bad job and we have continued to do a bad job

00:33:48.000 in letting the american people think that once we won that election that within 90 days everything

00:33:56.300 was just going to be fine and everything was going to be great and now we have a situation

00:34:00.960 the most high profile political assassination of our generation where i think that people believe

00:34:08.520 that because we have social media that in their homes they should have every piece of evidence

00:34:14.860 and every piece of everything in this case immediately right now and that's that's just

00:34:21.160 not the way that it works now granted are there some exceptions for some releases to calm

00:34:28.020 heated things down because of high profileness sure but the vast majority of evidence data all

00:34:35.040 this kind of stuff that's not the normal way that it happens and and this is by the way this is what

00:34:40.980 you're talking about is that disconnect that rich was saying that people's perceptions have been so

00:34:46.460 changed by as you say by that social media environment by true crime podcast by all of

00:34:52.580 these things that there's a difference of expectation and when people's expectations

00:34:57.400 aren't met that's when you like relationships as well right when your expectations aren't met

00:35:03.080 that's what leads to anger disappointment dissension correct and and because of that

00:35:09.040 it is now taking away from us having the real conversation to your point which is the rise in

00:35:14.620 political violence which is the reality that those of us that do this for a living our overhead

00:35:20.780 just went up five x because we all have to figure out like okay i want to go out and do this

00:35:27.860 speaking event do i have to pay a million dollars a year for security and all these things to have

00:35:33.840 conversations it is a terrible place that we're finding ourselves which is what they which is

00:35:39.120 what they want which is what they want and and i'll put in time for an applause there but either

00:35:46.260 way uh that's what they want and it's because of we have not done a we have not done a proper job

00:35:53.260 of letting the american people know hey i've seen this a lot to the point about the feds in our

00:35:59.180 administration oh we just trust the administration now oh we just trust the feds now we just do this

00:36:05.220 and we do that well we did when we voted for donald trump in november november 5th of 2024

00:36:11.140 we all agree that charlie kirk was a once in a lifetime leader brilliant price driven human being

00:36:21.560 that was responsible for probably 90 percent of the people that are in these positions now

00:36:27.880 and so you can't hold two two positions to where you believe that charlie kirk was a once in a

00:36:34.080 generation leader of our movement of our party of people of americans of young voters and then

00:36:41.440 also believe that he had the worst discernment and judge of character of any human being that

00:36:48.320 has ever walked the face of this planet discernment too because there were people right and by the

00:36:53.880 way i'm perfectly happy to follow the evidence wherever the evidence lies and that's what

00:36:58.340 charlie was about standing on truth you have to always stand on truth and i'm not afraid to call

00:37:04.020 i say i talked about the uss liberty yesterday i'm not afraid to talk about israel i'm not afraid

00:37:08.600 to say that i don't agree with everything the government of israel does we could talk about

00:37:12.700 gaza we could talk about all those things but but do so with evidence do so with truth i've talked

00:37:20.040 many times about how i think that the that the government of israel in their conduct of the war

00:37:25.100 in gaza did not do a good enough job of protecting churches of protecting christians and places of

00:37:30.560 worship that are located within Gaza. I really believe that that's a huge problem and has

00:37:35.000 created bigger problems from that for them. That being said, there were people who said that Charlie

00:37:40.800 was killed by Israel while before his body even made it to the hospital. That is not standing on

00:37:46.900 evidence. That is taking something that is a preconceived notion, a preconceived bias that

00:37:51.880 you are trying to put and paint on your situation because it's pushing an agenda. And that's not

00:37:57.720 right that is not right just add something to that jack and then doing that and sharing

00:38:02.120 personal messages you may have like all this i haven't shared i haven't shared a single

00:38:08.240 personal message between myself and charlie and you're not going to see me do that never doing

00:38:11.860 you're just not going to see me do that thank you that's that's when i first sent me something in

00:38:16.680 private then that was meant in private to get these and confidence is something you keep going

00:38:21.940 you're violating this man's privacy posthumously it makes it it bothered bad i haven't actually

00:38:29.180 said that out loud so right now but that is it's it's actually let's not do that to make our own

00:38:35.820 point i will say this i will say this i try to have grace because i know there's a lot of people

00:38:41.620 that are going through trauma that went through trauma in those early days who were literally had

00:38:47.660 their whole life turned upside down not just obviously you know the business colleagues

00:38:55.380 friends but let's try to remember that at the end of the day this isn't about how it affects

00:39:02.480 political movement it isn't how it affects a podcast career are you getting more followers

00:39:08.220 subscribers whatever Erica and those children are not are his family they're not going to have a

00:39:15.340 father that's home for this christmas or any christmas coming forward and we should respect

00:39:21.260 them and think about what is best the best way to respect them in everything that we do because

00:39:28.500 that to me is way more important than scoring some political points or getting more viewers on my

00:39:34.820 podcast or or whatever it is and you know if people want to get mad at me for saying that

00:39:39.760 to let him get mad because i know what i'm saying is right no it is it's 100 there's a human

00:39:45.840 side of this story it's not just a political story or a story about a movement and factions and

00:39:52.360 there's a human being who had a family and children and you just said it and i just think

00:39:57.500 put yourself in someone else's shoes for a moment i don't think i'd want my kids reading that years

00:40:03.700 later you know just have a little bit it just has always bothered me just to be able to know look i

00:40:08.600 had this message and i had it's crazy it's unseemly no what i'd like to i mean and i said

00:40:13.560 this before but you know i feel obviously horrible that that charlie's kids are never going to be

00:40:21.000 able to really have that relationship with their dad but in a sense too they're going to have a

00:40:29.440 relationship with sort of the their digital father right like his digital footprint his videos his

00:40:36.600 speeches his debates and and that was his public work but that wasn't charlie you know what i mean

00:40:43.520 like that wasn't charlie the man that wasn't charlie the father the husband and obviously

00:40:48.640 you know he put his heart in his work there's no question about that but you know and and i've got

00:40:54.620 my little kids and and you know i just hope that that someday if they ever want to you know more

00:41:00.940 than happy to just answer every question they want i let them know hey i knew your dad this is what

00:41:05.840 he was like outside of the podcast outside of the text messages outside of all that nonsense

00:41:11.920 this is what he really was like this is what really drove him and this is who your dad was

00:41:17.140 and you know when when you have when you have one of your battle buddies go down like that you know

00:41:23.220 there's there isn't really a playbook for that there isn't really a a manual but you just try

00:41:30.100 to do the right thing by his family i think just do the right thing by his family yeah i couldn't

00:41:34.260 agree more and you will be there yeah I mean that's great um you know again you see it a lot

00:41:40.660 a lot more different than I guess some of the other people have chose to make this play out

00:41:45.340 publicly and in front of everybody you know so um in the future and I ask Graham what could we do

00:41:52.460 better not to steal your I'm just like wondering your thoughts here what could we do better do we

00:41:57.100 as podcasters need to start growing more like the and I don't mean this in that way but in the

00:42:03.380 traditional media do we need our own version of an ap handbook well i mean we have to decide why

00:42:13.080 why are we doing what we do now in the first place are we doing what we do now because we

00:42:17.960 want to make money we're doing what we do now because we want to be the most popular one are

00:42:22.040 we doing what we want to do now because we believe that we have influence and because we have

00:42:29.800 influence we should be using that to our agendas and what we think and you know and i think there's

00:42:37.080 a lot of people right now i've heard it on the stage by a lot of really big name people i think

00:42:44.000 i feel i i you know i think i feel i've heard it over and over and over and over again these past

00:42:51.920 two days i don't care what you think and what you feel i care about what's true and what's not true

00:42:57.080 and what i know that is true right now is that if we don't figure out this infighting that we've got

00:43:02.660 going on right now we're not going to do well in these midterms and charlie would be the first one

00:43:08.900 to be getting a hold of that charlie kirk would have called a massive meeting of the minds

00:43:14.100 right here in phoenix and what do you he would have had everybody fly in he would have been like

00:43:19.140 all right patch it out we are we are in trouble in these midterms if we don't figure this out

00:43:23.960 It is on us to lead people in the right direction for mission first.

00:43:29.200 How do we figure out how to all come together, even though we're not going to agree on everything?

00:43:34.220 If Charlie's not going to be here, then it's really as simple as that.

00:43:37.300 Let's do that in Charlie's name.

00:43:39.020 Let's do it for Charlie.

00:43:40.400 Remember what the mission is.

00:43:42.540 And remember that we are more, there is more that unites us than divides us.

00:43:47.600 There is more that we understand our patriotism, our love of God, our love of Jesus.

00:43:52.400 this these are the things that unite us and while there will be divisions though there will be

00:43:57.620 issues where we disagree we can do that in such a way where we maintain that grace but we also

00:44:03.220 don't lose sight of what the greater mission is graham allen where can people go and follow you

00:44:08.540 brother just google graham allen it's either good or really bad and you'll you'll find it on there

00:44:13.580 so rich barris people's fund it yeah we're all over the place jack you know on the getter on

00:44:18.720 twitter the best places on locals peoples pundit.locals.com pundit.locals.com all right

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