HUMAN EVENTS DAILY： DR. JAMES LINDSAY ON THE GREAT RESET AND CRT
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James Lindsay, author of Sinical Theories, joins us to talk about his new book, The Dark Lord of Social Injustice, and how he got on Dr. Phil's show. He also talks about how he almost got into a fight with a man who tried to get into his office.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to today's edition of Human Events Daily.
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What we're doing during this holiday break season, this Christmas break season,
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as I've told everybody, we're doing these one-on-one interviews,
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kind of just be able to sit down with people, pick their brains about what's going on in the world,
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and really make something that's just kind of an evergreen content that people could listen to at any time.
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And though, unfortunately for you guys, I do have to apologize because I said we were going to pick their brains,
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but right now we're interviewing James Lindsay.
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So, of course, you know, this is probably going to be a very short episode
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because we don't have a lot of material to work with there.
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But, you know, we've got James Lindsay, the Dark Lord, the evil id of Twitter, author of Sinical Theories,
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and then you guys have a new version of it out, right?
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Yeah, we have a new version called Social Injustice coming out next month.
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And that's sort of like an abridged, explain the difference between what the original book is and then what this is.
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So the original book is written probably at like a late college, early graduate school kind of level of scholarship.
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It was very hard for me to get through that one.
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It's the same arguments, the same case that we make, and it's summarized.
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It's kind of boiled down to its simplest essence.
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Take a lot of the difficult, clunky scholarship, the long block quotes and things out so that you can just get the meat without having to...
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Well, no, what I actually did like about the book, and I think the last time I saw it, you gave me a copy of it,
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and what I liked about it is you've gone to such a...
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Like, you are inside their minds at this point in terms of you know more about critical race theory and where it's come from
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than the people who are the critical race theorists at this point.
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And what you've done in that, it's a compendium is the way I looked at it, as you have the research all there.
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So when someone says, oh, that's not real, or oh, that's not a thing, it's boom, page 56, boom, page 102, boom, and it's all there.
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I actually have a funny story, if you don't mind to tell us a funny story.
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I got invited to go on the Dr. Phil show over the summer, and it's supposed to come out...
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No, but he grabbed my shoulder as he walked out, that's it.
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And I couldn't tell if it was a very exasperated thing, because I went on there and, like, went off.
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I feel like I would have seen if you were on...
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They did this interview all the way back in August.
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Like, this interview, even though, you know, like I just said in the intro here, we're doing these because, you know, actually, even though I am mean to my staff, I did kind of want to give them, you know, a little bit of a break over Christmas.
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Like, it's not, you know, I'm going to sit on it forever.
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So, anyway, he brought out a CRT expert, right?
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And what was really evil, he brought out the professor.
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Then he started bringing out moms and dads against critical race theory and let the professor shoot him down and embarrass him.
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And so, this guy's either lying or wrong, one or the other.
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But I guarantee he's probably doing it with, you know, the condescension and that sort of, like, overconfidence, overbearing.
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And you are some, you know, rube, grimy, grit under your, you know, toenails kind of rube.
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And so, when I came out, instead of, like, Dr. Phil's like, well, what would you, you know, ask some question.
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And I just started calling out the professor for his lies.
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I was like, you said it wasn't 1989, but if you're a real critical race theorist, you know that the founding conference was at a convent off the side of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
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You know, and it's like, you said this, but this on page whatever of, you know, page 19 of Ibram Kennedy says this.
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And it's just bam, bam, bam, one thing after another after another.
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Oh, I don't know how they're going to cut it, but I'm assuming badly for me.
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Well, and that's one of the things that I've learned with stuff like that that I've done.
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Because I actually was on Joy Reid years ago at one point, like, on a panel.
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And they kind of, like, planned to me and they said, oh, we just need, like, a guy from Philly who's kind of conservative.
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She did not like that I actually knew LBJ's actual civil rights record.
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Um, then she's, oh, no, LBJ, civil rights, he's the one, he drove for it, he was the champion.
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And I'm like, well, yeah, maybe after, you know, after Dealey Plaza.
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And I just start going, it's like, and I'm not even making an argument whether it's good or not.
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I'm just saying, like you just said, that's not the history.
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He participated in the filibuster with Al Gore's father.
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I didn't even know we were going to talk about that stuff.
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Yeah, it goes rough when that happens, you know.
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And you know what's funny is that not only has she not invited me back, she blocked me on Twitter the other day.
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Well, it's annoying, though, because I don't even think that I was, I wasn't even tweeting at Joy Reid at that point.
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So I don't even know where that even came from.
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For me, Joy Reid is the only show, I kid you not, I will watch that every single night religiously.
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That's why I tell everybody that my favorite critical race theorist of all time is Robin DiAngelo.
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And it's like, okay, so you're a white racist lady.
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You're like, so, so, all right, all right, all right.
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We said we were going to have like an actual interview, so we'll probably do that at some point.
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So what I wanted to ask you was because I know you've done so much great work talking about this.
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But, you know, give us in a nutshell, how did we get here?
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How did critical race theory go from this rinky-dink conference in the 1980s up to, like, taking over the military, taking over the heads, the minds of the Pentagon, U.S. military, you know, the greatest, most powerful military in the world.
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They're paying attention to this stuff that's like Barry a couple of decades old?
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And, you know, this wasn't exactly, you know, the founding fathers or enlightenment thinkers or, you know, Edmund Burke or any of this stuff, right?
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No, we're going to listen to critical race theory.
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The first is what you hear is a so-called long march to the institution.
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So this was all bubbling up within the universities.
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And kind of what that does is, you know, the educational pillar of society connects to all the other pillars.
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You're going to get them out of educated media or out of educated people that went to the university.
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Where are you going to get your, you know, future teachers?
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Well, there used to be this idea, though, that, you know, oh, well, we understand that the professors are crazy.
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But when people graduate and they get to the work pool and they realize what real life is like, they'll just shake that off.
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And that's the neo-Marxist plan to stop being radicals in the street and get into K through 12 education.
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And then to get into the university system and to take over education on both levels.
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And what happened by the end of the 70s, the primary target they shot for was schools of education.
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So the primary thing they sought to take over was how we teach our kids and what we teach our kids.
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Starting by early 1980s, they had almost full control over the colleges of education in terms of what curriculum is going to come out, what education is going to focus on.
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And they started working more and more very strategically of this, what they call critical pedagogy in.
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What that does is it's like it's, think of like a field or whatever, right?
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If you want to grow corn in the field, you've got to plow the soil first.
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By teaching the teachers, they were basically putting the plows in the hands and getting the kids of the next generation primed for this change.
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And then those people grow up, go to university, become teachers, and they plow the soil even better.
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And they finally get the soil prepared so that the revolution can burst forth.
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The third component is big money interest realized its utility, especially after the Occupy Wall Street movement.
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They watched the banks kind of sweat it out, 2011 or so, sweating it out, occupies this huge thing.
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But a lot of right-wing guys were looking at this like, no, the banks are a big part of the problem.
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Well, and this is where Bitcoin was not really a left-wing thing when it started.
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And the banks were like basically sending the intersectionalists.
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You talk to the guys that were involved in Occupy that were the organizers.
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And they said, you know, by a year or two in, it got so frustrating.
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Everything had to be, no, only black women get to speak or only black women get to speak first.
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And the banks realized that this would melt this thing down.
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And then all these other big financial interests were like, this is the tool.
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And they started dumping grant money into it just by the millions and billions.
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You know, how did we get so much critical race theory in education?
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Well, starting about 15 years ago, 10 years ago, somewhere in that range,
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the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation started dumping tons and tons of money in it.
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I looked it up on, it's on his website, on his university website.
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Oh, they love posting CVs, all four or five pages.
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And it's like, Bill and Melinda Gates, Bill and Melinda Gates, Bill and Melinda Gates.
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It's like, this guy, Bill and Melinda Gates have given this guy millions of dollars over the years.
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No, they want to make use of the tool that they found that works really, really well,
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that breaks up any movement that might look at their big power interests,
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especially those being tied to the financial industry.
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And I've seen this a lot lately, and we talk about this, and I did a whole book on Antifa,
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and we touched on this from a different perspective.
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But the idea that, you know, and I said it the last time I was doing a podcast,
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actually with Alex Clark, who's also here at Turning Point.
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And I said, you know, it's funny enough, like, Occupy was kind of right about a lot of the things
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they were talking about, at least economically.
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And, you know, of course, we didn't listen because it didn't seem like it was coming from people
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But then once we did see the power of the big banks and Wall Street,
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we realized that by the time we had figured it out, the people who had been there had flipped.
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And now somehow, you know, by hook and by crook, they're on the same side as BlackRock
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And we're sitting there scratching our heads going, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Like, Klaus Schwab is out there talking about the great, the great reset, the great reset.
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And, you know, and we must build back better, which is, of course, the slogan of the great reset.
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I don't know if people realize that when they combine the two.
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And that, because it wasn't just, you know, the Biden administration pushing to build back better.
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I don't know if you just saw, but they just canceled the next Davos.
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So, you know, you have all this stuff going on, and yet you've got these guys who are, you know,
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fight the power, fight the rage against the machine, right?
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It's like, no, these are like the actual fascists, right?
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Well, the World Economic Forum has been grooming these people for decades.
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The Great Reset's been planned for a long time.
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And, you know, they've always wanted to have the various elements that they were going to
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It's going to require societal chaos and so on.
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And again, they discover the power of identity politics, and they start moving their metrics.
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The SG, for example, environmental, social, and governance metrics that they use to decide
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who can get investments, whose portfolios to get what.
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Which is essentially, what I call it is, it's a corporate social credit score.
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Because you can go through an ESG, and it means this.
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Of the social credit score, and they made it, they corporatized it.
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And so, you don't need legislation for this anymore.
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You don't need, you know, Biden doesn't have to issue an executive order.
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No, this is where BlackRock essentially becomes the operations arm of the Fed.
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Their buddies at BlackRock and Blackstone and others, then go out, and they're going to
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And which is pumping up the inflationary pressures that we're seeing now.
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But it's also the idea of, but before you can get those investments, right?
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Because you've got these boomers like Larry Fink, these liberal boomers who are sitting
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there going and saying, well, if we can just push these values a little bit more, you know,
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this will, you know, and that's actually where I'm actually, I'm kind of like, it just
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in my thinking and my research on this is how much of it is Larry Fink actually just
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believes he's doing the right thing and how much of it is Larry Fink is doing what's
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We can very clearly see environmental, social, and governance.
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And so social is where all of these critical social theories gained dominance.
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They saw the utility of these things to do, to make the kind of conditions that they
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It gives them this kind of, oh, we're caring about the new version of the civil rights movement.
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Which has tremendous social cash throughout the entire West.
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Everybody since the 1960s has been pretty positive about civil rights developments.
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And so they know that that's like the so-called right side of history.
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And so these critical social theories that are in like critical race theory, gender theory,
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And so they were able to start using this corporate social credit system that's been in
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place for a long time now to start pushing these values simultaneously to give grants
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and start directing people who were doing that to go further down that road and further
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But they saw the utility of this thing to cause massive social disruption that keeps their
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And this is also kind of what a lot of people don't see is that a lot of these companies,
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particularly the publicly traded ones, they're not constituted to be in the process of selling
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Like people don't understand, they're constituted to prop up their stock value.
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And so that's why a lot of people, when they hear get woke, go broke, they think, oh, well,
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They don't care that, you know, people aren't going to spend $100 million on this movie because
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And that pot of money, because that's all they're looking at, that pot of money versus
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consumer cash, they don't care if a movie flops.
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That's why Netflix can make a million movies a year that nobody watches because they're
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valuing it on their books and then that goes to the stock price, they're going to get more
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ROI is completely irrelevant because it's all about how those investment portfolios get
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And that's where the real money generation is happening, which gives those corporations,
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those entities, tremendous amounts of power to jerk around all these things.
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The other corporations along whatever vision, social vision they might have.
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I was talking to a buddy of mine who is a political consultant in Pennsylvania and who
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But he was talking to a potential business that wanted to work with him, wanted to do some
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like, you know, Harrisburg lobbying type stuff.
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And he was explaining to him this whole process.
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And he had said, and because they were, they are publicly traded, small company.
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And they said, you know, it's the weirdest thing, but every year BlackRock comes in, buys
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10% of the company, never talks to us, never on the calls, sells it.
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And then he said, well, why do you think they do that?
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And he said, well, I think it has to do with this, this, the ESG score.
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And my buddy's sitting there listening to it, listening to it, listening to it.
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And at the end of it, he goes, so you just go along with it?
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I mean, you hear that on the microscopic scale like that and the microscopic scale too, with
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all the stuff that's creeping into medicine, the woke medicine.
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I hear from doctors all the time saying, well, I know this stuff's wrong, but I got a practice
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They want, they want, you know, whatever access that they can get.
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And we're seeing this replicated at every level and the top level, the big key is this
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social credit score run by these kinds of big investment firms.
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Um, I keep saying that it's like, they've got the cart and the horse and, uh, you know,
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they're the horse pulling the cart and the cart is full of all this fascistic garbage.
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And the link that's holding the two together, the chain, the one link of the chain's all
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That's the thing that has to be, we looked at and broken and challenged and alternatives
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Berkshire Hathaway is not on board with the CSG stuff.
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As far as I know, I only saw a little bit about it.
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But I have seen Charlie Munger out there talking about how much he loves China's system at
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So, you know, it is because what he's talking about essentially is, is state capitalism,
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And he was talking about how, and people forget, what was it when it came to Jack Ma?
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The founder of Alibaba who essentially created these, you know, it's the eBay on steroids.
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This is like eBay of the world, you know, connecting each little product that's made in China with
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And, oh, I've been to the, I've been to like the actual Alibaba like facilities in, in
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Zhejiang, China, where, you know, you can go in and like this little kiosk and they only
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sell erasers, you know, or this one only says, because you never wonder like where that
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And when it comes to Jack Ma, he was allowed to do all of those things.
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And they scooped him up and they took him away.
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And he catches himself and he goes, well, what do you think?
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Well, maybe part of that system here in the U.S.
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And so this is the creepy part though, is what you have to, like BlackRock's creating
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this ESG thing and, you know, and you think, okay, whatever.
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But then so much of their assets are held in China where ESG doesn't apply.
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So they're, they're creating a system that they're.
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So it's, it's the same idea of, it's like, uh, uh, Darren Beatty has this phrase taboo
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Where, you know, there are taboos in the United States, but there are taboos in China.
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So, you know, you know, you can talk about certain things in China that you can't talk
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And then, but you know, and you can't, you can't go to China and be talking about things
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like democracy or freedom of speech or the flourishing of ideas, this type of thing.
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But you can talk about, you know, you know, you can talk about any of like this potential
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thought crime type of things that you're not allowed to talk about in the U.S.
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And so they were the ones who really drove right down that, that path of creating a form
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And I saw this when I worked in the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai, that we would
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bring people in, delegates from the U.S., politicians and businessmen, and they would
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come in and I remember the whole opening up of China was, oh, it's going to be great.
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And they're going to become more liberalized and they're going to be democratic.
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Just, just you wait, just a couple more minutes and they're going to be democratic and they're
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going to be voting and they're going to come back with Taiwan and it's all going to be
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And it's going to be, you know, horseshoes and rainbows and Hong Kong is going to teach them,
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you know, financial capitalism is going to lead to a liberal democracy, et cetera.
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And it was the exact opposite because every time I brought Americans over and I saw, I
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mean, I was, you know, like a junior guy there, but I would see the Americans come over and
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they say, huh, so you want to build a maglev train and there's people in the way.
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Well, what about, what about when you have the houses that have been there, shirkuman,
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ancient, you know, Chinese style houses that have been made for so many years that are
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just these, these historical pieces, but you want to put up a new shopping mall.
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They're very weak and they don't, they don't stay together enough for construction.
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So you just take them down and then you, then you build it up.
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And, and they get drunk with the power, they get drunk with the power of having that level
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of control, that level of, and what it is, it's, it's authoritarianism at the end of the
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day, under, you know, under a different name, state, all this stuff.
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And so I think that in many ways, ESG is our version of state capitalism coming in that
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And there's, there's a more sinister and cynical interpretation of how all of that went
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Well, you got Kissinger and et cetera coming over.
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So what if Kissinger, who's writing books with Schmidt about transhumanism now, right?
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So imagine if you make the monster that you're then going to have to defeat later, right?
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So you build, you create the beast and say, oh no, look at this beast.
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And what do you hear from people like the world economic forum and so on?
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Well, if we want to be able to beat China, we have to become like China.
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And people will say like, why is everyone's favorite Hungarian billionaire anti-China and
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And you realize, and on one hand, it's kind of part of the Game of Thrones of, you know,
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But it's also that, well, we've got to do this great reset if we want to compete with
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It's the only way we've got to, we've got to implement this stuff.
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We've got to lead to more, you know, BlackRock has to own the houses.
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You guys are going to be more of a Russian surf class, a renter class, but don't worry
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And oh, by the way, it'll be plugged into Zuckerverse and Neuralink and everything else.
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You, well, it's not that you won't own anything.
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It's that you'll own, you know, a massive palatial 5,000 square foot house in Zuckerworld,
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You know, floating in space somewhere while you're, while you're at home being plugged in, getting
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And so our, our favorite billionaire over there, you know, also has a vision.
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So China's not on his, his list of great places, uh, which is probably why the Chinese government
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So, um, you know, there's this weird, you say Game of Thrones, but there's this really
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weird competition going on way up at the top there now where, uh, strange things are
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Well, I call it, you know, you know, we talk of sort of like the, the deep state, right?
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A lot, this sort of a, a, a compression, but we also have to think of the terms of, in
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And so this is your, sort of your oligarch level.
00:24:53.800
This is, you know, they're the people that are moved.
00:24:56.360
We can see the chess pieces being moved around, but these are the people actually holding
00:25:00.260
the chess pieces and then deciding, okay, I'm going to make this move.
00:25:03.800
I'm going to move against she, and you didn't think I was going to do that, but now here
00:25:09.020
I think a lot of it honestly does come down to, as we were saying before, the idea of
00:25:15.720
We want to maintain, um, our, our holdings on resources and, and ultimately uphold their
00:25:21.620
And of course, the vision that the transhumanist vision that you actually just alluded to
00:25:26.140
that, you know, there's going to be, there are these super elite people who deserve to
00:25:29.940
have, you know, eternal life, eternal life, and they're going to be free.
00:25:33.260
And then you have, unfortunately, you know, five other billion people that you got to figure
00:25:41.200
Um, if you are a member of the, the global Lao Bai Jing, the global deplorables.
00:25:45.400
And then this is how they institute Elysium, right?
00:25:48.300
This is what a lot of sci-fi got this wrong, is that, you know, they implement it, but then
00:25:56.120
Because you're, you're too busy being distracted by whatever the late, you know, get your latest
00:26:00.160
download of Neuralink, get your latest download of Zucker, Zuckerberg 2.0.
00:26:03.820
This is, and, you know, I watch Writer Player One, and I look at it, and I, and, you know,
00:26:08.360
the Oasis is what they call it in that, and I say, you know, this seems interesting, but
00:26:15.840
And you, and, and at the end, if you've seen it or read the book, that's what it's all
00:26:19.940
But, you know, it's, it's like, it's all altruistic, and, um, the guy who did it is
00:26:25.060
like this huge, um, 80s gamer kind of guy, and so you have to, um, in order to find your
00:26:31.460
legacy in the game, you have to, um, you have to have memorized all of the John Hughes movies,
00:26:36.100
and then, like, each John Hughes movie is like a level of the game as you go through, and
00:26:40.440
then the player who finds all the clues becomes, I'm like, you know, and there's 80s video games
00:26:44.840
references and stuff, becomes, like, the inheritor of the company, and then you control the Oasis.
00:26:52.460
No, that's not what it's going to be like at all.
00:26:53.980
No, you're, because it all comes back to those stock trades being the new big financial current,
00:26:58.960
and so your behavior becomes the data they need so that they can predict what those good
00:27:05.580
So you're downloading the, the next Zuckerverse, and what are you going to go do in that?
00:27:10.040
And they're going to predict, you're going to owe this, that, the other thing.
00:27:13.820
That's the kind of behavior, feeding that into AI to make what kind of trades are going
00:27:17.680
to be most relevant for what they're going to want to do to keep moving their financial
00:27:21.340
Well, and so in the second one of these, the second book, and to be clear, by the way,
00:27:25.960
in the first book, the protagonist does live in a giant trailer park, so I think that part's
00:27:30.600
pretty accurate, yeah, but that, they call it the stacks because they're actually stacked
00:27:35.040
Well, like cells, like little cubicles or whatever you get to live in a hundred square foot pod.
00:27:40.120
That'll be everywhere except for the various nodes of Elysium.
00:27:42.820
But in terms of the second book that you call it, Ready Player Two, it becomes, so they
00:27:49.500
combine AI and Neuralink with the Oasis, and then so it's kind of like, you know how we
00:27:55.900
have, you know, viral videos now, or, oh, did you see this thing on YouTube, you know?
00:28:00.500
My son and I just watched this thing on YouTube the other day where it was a, it's an elephant,
00:28:04.440
like a baby elephant going to drink some water at like a watering hole, and an alligator just
00:28:08.880
comes up and snaps him in the nose, well, in the trunk, right?
00:28:12.360
And then all the other elephants come over and just stomp the alligator.
00:28:15.920
We probably watched it 35 times in a row, right?
00:28:22.320
So, the idea of having a viral video, what they have now through, you know, their version
00:28:31.840
So, you are essentially, you know, anyone has an experience, has a memory, oh, and of
00:28:35.940
course in this one, you know, it gets into some of the adult stuff, obviously, you know,
00:28:39.160
experience this way, experience that way, but then, oh, do you want to be Tom Brady winning
00:28:43.300
the World Series, and, you know, boom, now you're beamed into the helmet, and you can smell
00:28:47.780
the sweat, and feel the, you know, the grass of the, you know, but I look at that, and
00:28:54.640
I'm thinking about, okay, this is where people are going, but that's not what it's going to
00:28:59.340
That's not at all what it's going to be used for.
00:29:00.940
It's going to be used for control, and then it's going to be used for war, very, very quickly.
00:29:08.280
So, your freedom of speech can be preserved, too, right?
00:29:11.440
You have to say whatever you want, but we're going to control how you think before you can speak.
00:29:14.640
And it's total control, absolute control to keep you absolutely servile, and it'll probably
00:29:24.960
You'll be able to download, you know, whatever, oh, did you watch, did you do this sim yet?
00:29:31.500
You know, we're just trading that back and forth, and then, cognitively, we will, you
00:29:35.920
know, our lizard brains won't know that we've not actually had that experience.
00:29:41.940
Because we will feel, it will be complete sensory immersion.
00:29:45.140
So, you will feel through this that you've actually had that experience, which is terrifying,
00:29:52.260
Well, I mean, it's real easy to picture the upside to that, right?
00:29:55.200
But then they need to torture you for some reason.
00:29:58.420
Imagine which experience they're going to have.
00:29:59.400
This is what I always tell people, though, is I say, oh, that sounds amazing, and, you know,
00:30:03.000
I think about for, you know, people who are, you know, coma patients, or people who are
00:30:08.240
handicapped to be able to experience, you know, walking on a beach, et cetera, and, of
00:30:13.120
But then what I always tell people is, I say, okay, that's what you believe, but Mark Zuckerberg
00:30:21.140
And Mark Zuckerberg keeps a piece of tape over the camera on his laptop.
00:30:27.300
Even Mark Zuckerberg knows he can't turn and control his own camera on his laptop.
00:30:37.460
And I actually remember reading that Bill Gates doesn't have, like, a computer in his
00:30:45.780
That there's something, and he, like, limits the time that he wanted his kids to be on
00:30:48.460
computers and all this stuff, that, no, he shouldn't have this stuff around.
00:30:54.260
The same way there's something to be said for the fact that Bill Gates is going around
00:30:57.360
buying up all the food-producing land ahead of inflation because he knows what's going
00:31:01.380
on, and the people managing his money understand what's going on.
00:31:03.960
That's what you're going to need going forward because they understand what they're doing
00:31:11.820
Well, when you put it that way, it's a very hard question, but the answer...
00:31:23.540
No, what has to happen is a lot of people need to catch on.
00:31:27.420
I hate to use it, but to wake up to what's actually going on in the world, and they have
00:31:31.160
to start saying, no, we're not going to go down this road.
00:31:33.500
If we have politicians that want to push us down this road, we get rid of those politicians.
00:31:37.380
We find politicians who want to break up things like the World Economic Forum, start shattering
00:31:44.520
But what that requires is putting people in power who understand the problem, who are
00:31:47.840
willing to get there, and that starts with a bunch of people, if it means taking to the
00:31:53.120
streets, hopefully it doesn't, but if it means taking to the streets, it means taking to the
00:31:56.140
streets and saying, no, we're not doing this anymore.
00:31:58.820
We're going to remove you from power if you're even somewhat soft on this, if you waver on this.
00:32:03.520
We're going to retain our freedom as a top priority, and it's going to require starting
00:32:08.060
to attack these entities in ways where power can be leveraged against them through people
00:32:12.940
who are willing to use those levers of power effectively.
00:32:15.560
One thing that I always tell, and I was speaking to an influencer, kind of like internal thing
00:32:20.220
here, and I got a similar question, and I said, you know, yes, saying no and stepping up,
00:32:26.780
but also embrace life, just embrace life in its fullness.
00:32:32.340
Get married, have kids, go out there, eat healthy, stop eating the fake food, the fake
00:32:38.360
nutrition that they pour down on us, go down, understand what's in your food, understand what
00:32:42.880
you're putting in your body, you know, don't live, you know, the pharmaceuticals that they're
00:32:48.280
And you look at Zoomers right now, they are the most, I think percentage-wise, the most
00:32:56.700
And they all have a therapist, they're all in something or other, and probably not, you
00:33:00.940
know, we're here at Turning Point AmFest, probably not in these Zoomers, but by and large,
00:33:05.240
and this is what you need to cut off from, because you need to understand that you have
00:33:09.560
to be ready, look, prepare the child for the path, don't prepare the path for the child.
00:33:15.120
And so we have to understand, yeah, life is going to be hard.
00:33:17.600
And I have kids, and I always say this, like, so we live, where we live now, it's on a
00:33:21.680
lake, and I have a back gate, and I keep it locked.
00:33:30.280
But someday my kid's going to understand how to unlock that gate.
00:33:35.700
Do I build a, do I build, you know, a wall around the lake?
00:33:39.040
Do I, you know, continue to, you know, do I put up signs about how you shouldn't go there?
00:33:50.940
Yeah, this is, this is key to, exactly like you said.
00:33:54.900
Another very crucial piece is that, especially for a younger generation, needs to start to
00:33:58.880
understand very quickly that real life, and very resonant with what you said, real life
00:34:05.220
And real life is worth living, even though it's not ideal, and you're not getting to
00:34:10.840
be Tom Brady winning the Super Bowl, or whatever it happens to be, in some fake memory that
00:34:21.140
Well, and this is what they, that is why they want to put you in passive mode.
00:34:23.360
That's why they want you hooked on, oh, what actor is going to be cast in the next Marvel,
00:34:27.860
the Netflix series that's coming out, the adaptation, are they, you know, are they gender
00:34:34.520
That is, and they want you just so caught up in all of that, because they don't want
00:34:42.700
And I don't mean active in just the physical sense, but actually embracing life in all
00:34:48.100
of its fullness, and deciding that I'm going to be someone who I'm going to be doing so
00:34:55.380
I don't have time to look at those things, because I'm going out, I'm meeting people,
00:34:58.620
I'm making connections, I'm raising my kids, we're having real experiences in the real
00:35:06.280
If they pay attention now, they'll realize, they'll realize it's dissatisfying, you're
00:35:10.360
a little bit bummed, you're a little bit bored.
00:35:11.800
And why are they all anxious, why are they all depressed, why are they all on the therapist's
00:35:17.620
You get on your video game, and you're going to have fun, you can blow off some steam,
00:35:20.500
you can kill some time, but it's not going to meet your need.
00:35:22.600
You know, I quit playing video games completely, in about 2007 or 2008, I was playing World
00:35:27.640
I couldn't even tell you the last time I played a video game.
00:35:29.260
And I was grinding my character up, and I thought to myself, one day, it just popped
00:35:33.920
into my head, you know, it's like one of those things, I didn't ask for it, it just showed
00:35:37.640
And I thought, wow, I'm putting a lot of effort into making this avatar of myself
00:35:41.080
awesome, when I could be making myself better with this time.
00:35:44.380
And half an hour later, video games stopped being interesting to me.
00:35:47.580
I just, I've never played one again, except as a nostalgia with, like, you know, get the
00:35:51.520
guys together, and we play through the game we played when we were a kid, over, like, Christmas.
00:36:01.240
Yeah, we did Myst, and we did, uh, we did also Secret of Mana, the old Nintendo, Super
00:36:07.140
Yeah, I love Secret of Mana, that was fun, the three-player.
00:36:09.180
There's something, by the way, about those games where it's, it's, you can turn them
00:36:15.320
There's something, I've noticed this, by the way, with my kid as well, that when we
00:36:19.700
watch, like, older, you know, uh, TV shows, stuff from 80s, 90s, or before, you know, he
00:36:28.300
can sort of unglue himself and go off and do something else, but you put on one of these
00:36:32.060
newer shows with the flashing lights, and the really, really bright colors, he is just
00:36:39.840
Well, they figured out, from what I understand, they figured out exactly how often they have
00:36:44.040
to change a scene, or put a flash, or a bright color.
00:36:46.580
That actual, like, it resets your attention span.
00:36:51.420
I bet you it's the exact same pace, if you're sitting there bored one night, you don't have
00:36:54.460
anything to do, guilty, mea culpa, and you're on Twitter, and you're just like, you pull
00:37:02.500
No, we're never on Twitter.com, we're never on the list.
00:37:05.340
No, but you know, you're bored, and you're sitting there, and you hit the refresh, and nothing's
00:37:09.200
there, and you hit the refresh again, I bet you it's the exact same pacing.
00:37:13.800
Get out of my head, James Lindsay, get out of my head.
00:37:15.940
And I bet you that's how they figured out what that pacing is.
00:37:19.320
That's, you know, that's, that's exact, when I hit the refresh, when I hit, you are the
00:37:23.080
Jack, yeah, when I hit the refresh, and there's nothing new, I'm like, well, now what do I do?
00:37:29.520
No, and that's, and that's for me, and look, there's a lot worse addictions to have out there,
00:37:33.900
but, you know, when it comes to Twitter, that's something where I do view it as a fight,
00:37:38.520
and I'm, I'm naturally contrarian and argumentative, and it's just, it is the perfect trap for
00:37:47.200
Exactly, exactly right, and, and Tim Pool had a great line about this, you know, talk, well,
00:37:50.260
he was talking about YouTube, but he said, because people say, oh, what are you still using that
00:37:53.180
for, that's, you know, that's the bad guys platform, and I said, I'm not going to get
00:37:55.580
off the battlefield, because the battlefield is dangerous, right, you know, so I'm going to
00:37:59.320
stay, but at the same time, you know, I do have to step back and say, you know what, this
00:38:04.900
is some person online that I'm never going to see in real life.
00:38:08.760
That's never going to have an effect on me, but I've got two little boys over here, and
00:38:13.280
I've got a wife, and I've got a house, and they, they need my attention more, and they
00:38:18.600
matter more, and they're going to go on long after I've punched my ticket, and I'm out.
00:38:25.440
And the minute I start thinking about that, I don't even think about the phone anymore.
00:38:30.300
And then you hit this point a few minutes later, it's like, why do I even do that?
00:38:34.420
So the difference is, I think, and we're getting close to the end of our time here,
00:38:42.960
Live also the life they don't want you to live.
00:38:52.500
You don't need to be just a part of the machine commuting back and forth, you know.
00:38:56.520
And this is actually why, in some ways, the great resignation is another silver lining
00:39:01.960
of COVID that I embraced, because a lot of people step back and look at their lives and
00:39:08.320
Why am I driving an hour to work, chaining myself to a desk, nine to five, and this is
00:39:13.080
both genders, by the way, driving an hour back, come home, traffic sucks, I'm crabby,
00:39:19.460
I'm upset, I barely spend any time with my kids, you snap at them.
00:39:26.080
Never, I get it on my staff, yeah, of course, that's what they're there for.
00:39:29.600
And they said, you know, maybe there's a better way, maybe I can do freelancing, maybe Fiverr.com
00:39:35.740
is a way to do it, maybe podcasting, maybe start something else.
00:39:38.740
You know, there are so many ways to make money.
00:39:41.580
We've got Morgan Zegers here, she makes American flags out of wood and sells them on Instagram.
00:39:47.180
And like, she literally just, she talks about this, but she said she paid off all of her
00:39:55.760
Another big thing with Turning Point, and Charlie talks about it a lot, is why go?
00:40:01.440
If we have all of these tools right now, if the information is out, at least for now,
00:40:08.000
It's like, you know, the Wright brothers were high school dropouts.
00:40:12.440
And what did we just see in the Olympics, where the Indian guy trained himself watching YouTube
00:40:16.580
videos to throw javelins and won the gold medal?
00:40:24.300
James, we are getting close to the end of our time.
00:40:26.240
This is actually a really good interview, and it did not be more substantive than I thought it
00:40:36.700
I got at Conceptual James on Twitter and other social media mirroring it.
00:40:49.160
It's going to explain exactly what the title says.
00:40:57.960
Make sure you, and I always tell everybody, everywhere homework is, to share this out with
00:41:05.040
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.