Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - HUMAN EVENTS DAILY EXCLUSIVE： ENLIGHTENMENT, PHILOSOPHY, AND GOD WITH CHARLIE KIRK

00:00:00.000 okay we are very excited this was a tough get for us folks a very tough get for us here

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00:00:19.320 human events daily charlie kirk the founder of turning point usa uh the host of the charlie

00:00:25.060 charlie kirk show we've got you here for human events daily and so charlie when i go on your

00:00:30.560 show and i've seen people respond they say they like they're like you guys did like you because

00:00:34.720 you kind of unpack things and you go deeper about it and you know we'll make references to things

00:00:40.660 we'll get into different stuff but we're always kind of driven by the news of the day we're always

00:00:44.540 kind of driven by reacting to whatever crazy thing has come out next you know cnn's up to whatever

00:00:50.860 they're up to how did we get here and i'll just be me and you or any of this i mean how did the west

00:00:58.100 go from the towering world power right the driver of prog actual you know progress and intellectual

00:01:08.600 thought and industrialization in the world to this sort of corrupted backward and really decaying kind

00:01:17.940 of situation that we're in now what do you think well yeah i think we we've managed to hang ourselves

00:01:23.960 with the rope of our own creation i'm a conservative that's unafraid to say that not everything that came

00:01:30.180 out of the enlightenment was good if you that's like a thought crime in some right circles i really

00:01:35.000 don't care it's true the enlightenment was great for some things obviously david french is not going to

00:01:40.260 like this podcast well but yeah you have to be you have to first the most important question is when

00:01:44.920 do you think the enlightenment began all right that's the most important question right yes and

00:01:49.840 french would say that it began with like spinoza or galileo when it obviously started machiavelli

00:01:56.800 right and and machiavelli and maybe if french would agree with this i don't i don't want to put words in

00:02:02.700 his mouth and he his own words will suffice for prosecution against him of his thoughts i should say we

00:02:08.620 should say the frenchist yeah frenchist yeah but it's really important because nicolio machiavelli

00:02:14.940 in 1532 right connor yeah he wrote the prince and one of the most famous lines or sentiments was

00:02:21.180 why are we focusing so much on these imaginary republics a direct stab towards plato like 2 000

00:02:28.220 years before right and he's like we know what we want why don't we just go get it and this would just

00:02:33.580 take it yeah why don't we just go take it now this was considered to be really unthinkable in

00:02:39.240 heavily catholic dominated italy at the time and europe where you know tradition and order and

00:02:46.220 something that came before you that must always anchor you this idea that you just can't be stumbling

00:02:51.800 towards you know inevitable abyss and machiavelli's like that's stupid i know what we want let's just go

00:02:57.980 get it and in a lot of ways he liberated political thought he was the first kind of political theorist

00:03:04.760 aristotle was too but definitely in europe and machiavelli's also known for his most famous line

00:03:10.660 you know popularized by a lot of different people uh which is the ends justify the means you hear that

00:03:16.380 a lot that's kind of like very machiavellian but he wasn't wrong about everything he was right about

00:03:21.560 a lot of different power dynamics so i think that a lot of people though when they when they look at

00:03:26.140 sort of you know whether you want to call this wokeism or you know we eventually find ourselves

00:03:31.700 in the social justice era france of course found themselves there much faster those are all much

00:03:36.060 much faster symptoms the first the person who died here's my thing though they wouldn't say

00:03:40.540 that they are being machiavellian they're saying hey we're just trying to build a better world

00:03:44.960 yeah just trying they're all living in machiavelli's world though i mean machiavelli again they stole a

00:03:51.020 little from rousseau they stole a little from machiavelli plato even talked about imaginary republics and

00:03:55.700 like this idea of utopia even though machiavelli went after the point is this to kind of like

00:04:00.180 de-philosophize this because i could just see people being like who are all these people it's

00:04:03.700 not your job you don't have to worry about it friedrich nietzsche he saw this coming before anyone

00:04:08.260 else and he was willing to write about it now he was an atheist lost his mind towards the end of his

00:04:13.000 life wrote extensively about kind of how the west needs to recreate its own values now it's really

00:04:19.460 important because nietzsche wrote god is dead he was not celebrating it he was a lot of people get this

00:04:23.680 wrong right he's lamenting and you know what i would quote i actually just read very recently it's

00:04:29.220 it was one of the last things that solzhenitsyn wrote and gulag archipelago and it ties directly

00:04:36.680 into this because he said in after my five decades of writing about this revolution of course the

00:04:42.320 russian revolution and everything that happened and all the atrocities if you asked me to summarize

00:04:49.160 ideology all of it into one thing he says it's that man forgot god and replaced him with ideology

00:04:58.640 sorry to steal your thunder on that but and that's and that's i'm a solzhenitsyn and it's so it's

00:05:03.120 amazing to see that you've got solzhenitsyn and nietzsche well they're both looking at the same yeah

00:05:09.020 and so the beginning and then one at the end so then nietzsche gave not nietzsche solzhenitsyn gave a

00:05:13.580 speech harvard commencement oh my gosh i love this 79 where's connor i need connor around here

00:05:20.060 76 77 78 everybody needs to watch yeah so it was delivered in russian and it was outdoors and like

00:05:27.120 rained and like whatever and everybody thought it was going to be this like celebratory ussr is bad

00:05:32.960 the west is good harvard is the leader of the west it was you have become materialistic all you care

00:05:40.600 about is the here and now you're totally secular you've totally cut yourself off from spiritual life

00:05:45.680 and all you care about is getting your next product uh you these atomized um atavistic

00:05:51.580 relationships that you have you treat people like commodities here and he really just came in

00:05:57.640 and destroyed destroyed what we think of as the west and obviously he was listened to a little bit

00:06:04.160 people were just kind of shocked and he gets this like pitter patter of wait what's going on yeah and

00:06:08.580 i want to find out the year that he gave that speech was actually really important um because it was

00:06:13.180 right when the soviet union was like falling or about to fall whatever the point is that people were

00:06:17.760 at the end was kind of in sight yeah and people were expecting a typical kind of dissident speech from

00:06:24.680 another country right like i was there it's bad and said it's like no no what's there is now coming here

00:06:30.120 and we could go through many other thinkers nietzsche and solzhenitsyn obviously stand out so you ask the

00:06:35.700 question how did we get here i mean the cult of progress over the last 500 years and that's not

00:06:43.780 to say that improvements and adjustments have not been necessary nor beneficial to the human experience

00:06:50.560 right because i always hear people say this is it was started by the industrial revolution no i think

00:06:55.180 that's wrong i think and i think the industrial revolution fuels it in many ways it exaggerated a lot of

00:07:01.340 it we're this is talking we're talking about 300 years prior yeah we're talking about again we go

00:07:07.500 back to machiavelli and then after machiavelli you had the social contract theorists and the one that

00:07:14.420 we overemphasize in conservative tradition is john locke yes the one we hate is john jacques rousseau

00:07:19.720 rightfully got everything basically everything wrong my favorite part of rousseau is when he says

00:07:23.920 you know if we can just go back to the natural world where all the animals are because they're in such

00:07:28.220 harmony i'm like no i mean have you spent any time watching animals in the natural world right i

00:07:33.440 mean and rousseau was a super hypocrite and spent a lot of time in geneva switzerland doing things he

00:07:38.480 shouldn't have done but like he appeals to young people because super romantic and how he writes

00:07:43.200 and he was a novelist these guys i mean these guys are dreamers yeah and he led to the french

00:07:47.820 revolution but the one we don't talk about and we like that but i don't like that i don't like when

00:07:51.700 those people are in charge well obviously i mean yeah i mean you get robespierre if yes exactly you

00:07:58.100 actually apply rousseau you get the actual and remember the even the word terrorism right this

00:08:03.280 comes from the french revolution because we must institute terrorism to go after the counter

00:08:09.080 revolutionaries and look i i'm by no means an expert on this but i've studied enough to have an

00:08:13.820 informed opinion and you know people like matt peterson or ryan williams from claremont would be

00:08:18.960 much more articulate on this than i but i agree with them which is there was something that happened

00:08:23.620 as soon as you have the machiavelli's political stake in the ground and then followed quickly not

00:08:29.580 by the industrial revolution by the scientific revolution yes and and this is the more important

00:08:33.900 thing that we have to focus on which is the science becoming an actual thing which is largely thanks

00:08:41.540 to sir francis bacon who by the way was a christian it's debated but he was a christian sir isaac

00:08:45.500 newton who was a devout christian wrote more about the prophecies of isaiah than

00:08:48.860 actually the natural world but then you had philosophers that started to wrestle with this

00:08:53.460 question well then if we can dominate the natural world what good is this religion i'm talking about

00:08:59.360 people like jeremy bentham uh john stewart mill who weren't avowed atheists but then eventually

00:09:04.520 the the man himself uh who was you know obviously the most famous atheist um basically who led to all

00:09:11.760 the rest of them um oh my goodness i'm forgetting his name he's from england um i'll think of it in a

00:09:17.420 but sorry go ahead not mill but no no not mill or bentham um i'll think of it in a sec yeah but

00:09:22.620 anyway so then you get and of course you have the new atheist today right but hitchens and all these

00:09:26.540 guys and harris they all come from this tradition right and so and dawkins and so you have this

00:09:32.060 situation then where it is the here and now it's the natural world it's what's going on what's in

00:09:38.900 front of my face is the only thing that matters right and there's this is summed up there's a great

00:09:44.020 meme that's been going around that i love it's it's sort of the uh modernist thinking versus

00:09:48.640 medieval thinking have you seen this one yes and it's modernist thinking is birth life and like

00:09:54.660 there's like this huge compendium of of the spectrum of life and then death is like another

00:09:58.900 line and it just says question mark afterwards where versus medieval thinking was birth then life

00:10:04.860 very quickly or actually first is knit in my mother's womb amazing um birth then life which are

00:10:11.220 kind of like equal and then eternity in heaven or hell and that's this huge broad never-ending

00:10:17.760 stretch so the i remember you said yes we essentially killed eternity right and that's that is what

00:10:24.660 nietzsche was talking about you get rid of god you get rid of eternity get rid of eternity you get rid

00:10:28.700 of judgment yes you get rid of judgment of course then all you're going to be worrying about is number

00:10:32.720 one the here and now you don't care about what happens afterwards but you also have this situation

00:10:38.240 where and you can see this throughout the world today where it's like secularists keep trying to

00:10:45.260 make their own religiosities of of science yes of the climate of whatever it is right whatever's

00:10:53.100 veganism david david hume by the way yeah david hume there you go it's so obvious uh can't remember

00:10:57.780 every name but i remember a lot about him so you're right and so this is where the founders were brilliant

00:11:01.740 and they weren't taken seriously so the founders knew that the balance between the benefits of the

00:11:07.700 enlightenment and the anchoring of antiquity was the only way that human civilization right because

00:11:13.100 you get and this is why it's so great that you have you have both jefferson and hamilton yes

00:11:18.500 basically they're they're kind of so jefferson goes all in on the french revolution and then

00:11:23.920 hamilton's like yeah what do you know what i mean yeah i mean the letters between him and madison are the

00:11:28.100 most right and then you've got hamilton out there saying no i i want a king i want a monarchy we want

00:11:33.160 all of this and so between the two you do get that yeah madison split the middle the the most

00:11:38.400 interesting letters are the most famous edmund burke and thomas paine going back and forth on this

00:11:42.220 right where thomas paine was just like a revolutionary shopper he liked the american revolution french

00:11:46.920 revolution edmund burke was like i understand the american revolution hated the french revolution

00:11:51.040 but so let's take john adams for example right big john adams fan he didn't write the u.s constitution

00:11:56.820 but i was heavily you know instrumental in the american founding the guy spoke spoke fluent hebrew

00:12:01.880 he could read hebrew there's a reason why he said that the american project basically or the

00:12:10.700 constitution was made holy for a moral religious people it's totally inadequate for the people of

00:12:15.780 any other right because you would have had in the society they were writing for you had a society that

00:12:22.660 was based around the bible in many ways it was the centerpiece of all existence you know anything

00:12:28.940 any dispute you would go back you're quoting it um many of the original meetings are held in church

00:12:35.820 halls for the revolution um everybody sort of knew this was generally the shared set yeah and so yeah

00:12:42.240 let's just let's just be practical about this though for our audience right so the overton window is a

00:12:48.000 great way to look at this but like in 1800s america people say oh it's terrible there was slavery even

00:12:52.960 though it was on the way out it was terrible women couldn't vote even though that was you know being

00:12:56.180 solved and fixed but yes there were adjustments that obviously need to be made but on the other side

00:13:00.800 what were the what are the negatives over social progress in 200 years i'll tell you how i'll tell you

00:13:07.500 some of them where i talk to parents and they tell me yeah my 15 year old is sexually active and i don't

00:13:12.840 know what to do about it yeah or how about this we're like a majority of young men in america are

00:13:18.100 addicted to internet pornography billy eilish just came out yeah it was amazing said that she's been

00:13:23.040 in i don't know that she said she was addicted but she said she did what she said starting at age 11

00:13:27.400 11 and by the way that's why she's been so quasi demonic and all of her and she's been watching

00:13:32.940 pornography she's 11 years and we know what it does to the brain we know what it does to the

00:13:37.960 individual we know it what it does to you know neuroplasticity we know all those things um and

00:13:44.080 so the this was the founding father's prediction which is and thomas jefferson even talked about

00:13:48.240 which is okay you're gonna have the ability to do all this stuff you'll have tinder you'll have

00:13:54.320 you'll have only fans yeah exactly all this stuff what's to stop you and basically modernity says

00:13:59.860 nothing go for it yeah you get the most depressed suicidal drug addicted alcohol obese least

00:14:06.340 productive miserable generation in history and it's amazing too because we live even you know

00:14:12.600 with everything else going on right now can you think of a society that's more affluent than ours

00:14:17.700 but that yeah that that's that that's where materially now if you want to go down to like

00:14:21.740 where based conservatives are we're like so what exactly and that's all of a sudden a thought

00:14:26.680 crime now i'm not i'm not dismissing grocery stores full of food i think that's a beautiful thing

00:14:30.280 right okay how do you have grocery stores full of food which is a great thing you have

00:14:35.500 and obviously the you know take covet out of the of the equation we have a jobs market that is

00:14:40.460 generally very very good uh we have a standard of living that's beyond the average middle middle

00:14:46.580 class person today has things that the monarchs well yeah how about like electricity 1500s i be

00:14:53.160 couldn't dream like ibuprofen right just like i have a headache good luck trying to solve that at the

00:14:58.380 same time at the same time the the psychiatrist officer full the therapist officer full you can barely

00:15:03.180 get them everyone the morgues are full you're getting uh you're everyone's getting met on

00:15:07.280 some medication or another so we're depressed we're upset suicides are on the rise and yet we also live

00:15:13.680 in such a time of abundance how do you square it well i think they're directly correlated though

00:15:17.640 i mean i think that first of all the abundance was made possible quicker because we decided to

00:15:25.460 forsake a lot of moral guardrails because we decided to re-domicile industrial plants to china

00:15:29.980 and not look after our fellow countrymen because we decided to act as if another screen is going to

00:15:34.980 solve all of our problems while not disciplining or actually raising our children because we never

00:15:39.680 ever wanted to have a conversation about children being born out of wedlock or fathers not in the

00:15:44.200 home or the destruction of the church or the non-stop propaganda campaign against american christianity

00:15:49.520 which is everywhere who needs any of those things right exactly that doesn't contribute what i think

00:15:53.340 is interesting though is that and this is why jordan peterson was so popular

00:15:56.560 and i think people get jordan wrong and i have a lot of respect for him i know people on the far

00:16:02.500 right don't like him i don't know if you're a jordan fan or not i've heard some like weird

00:16:05.460 criticisms i have i think he's super smart i like him a lot he's a friend no i like jordan but he's

00:16:10.640 he is he is quite canadian i'll put it that way yeah and again i i really have no patience for a lot

00:16:16.260 of the criticisms towards him see things from him like i do i have i have all my vaccinations and i

00:16:21.260 can't believe they're not allowing me it's like jordan i don't listen to him literally right about

00:16:25.660 not complying with tyrannical regimes and then that's probably fair but the here's where i think

00:16:31.560 jordan why jordan got really popular but don't get me wrong don't get me wrong i've i've gone to see

00:16:35.220 jordan i have his book i've interviewed him let me tell you why i think he got popular and why i think

00:16:40.360 he resonated is that he pinpointed people were miserable yes and he gave people a reasonable

00:16:47.520 platform to believe in ancient texts and religious structure yes where all of a sudden they were like

00:16:54.780 oh so but by the way i believe every word of the bible totally true inerrancy of scripture

00:16:59.600 right i believe in jonah the whale to the sea being parted the whole thing it's not allegorical it's

00:17:04.560 literal based but it's true okay and you believe the same as a catholic or you should um which is he

00:17:10.600 literally was part of no of course it was obviously absolutely but the point is that jordan didn't make a

00:17:15.380 claim on that instead he said what is the deeper philosophical psychological reason you should care

00:17:21.320 about this and so explain to me how people writing the bible thousands and thousands of years before

00:17:27.140 any of this science or yes psychology or etc was was studied and they got it all right it's because

00:17:35.660 the word of god i'll give you an example so let's talk about the creation story right in the beginning

00:17:40.260 god created the heavens and the earth so it says very specifically that god created ex nihilo out

00:17:45.680 of nothing right it's a hebrew word yes so one of the ex nihilos was that god hovered over the darkness

00:17:51.500 of the earth that's like a weird thing to say right yes new science shows the earth was completely dark

00:18:01.540 at some point that precisely what it says that no matter what your creation story is big bang or

00:18:08.400 whatever that there was darkness over all the earth meaning clouds covered the entire earth there

00:18:13.380 was no light right so my i mean i remember being a kid reading about you know so i'm reading the seven

00:18:18.560 days of creation and give well seven days being rest but then i always remember going to you know my

00:18:24.620 teacher and saying well what is a day in to god yeah and so this is this is hotly debated you know

00:18:31.180 i'm a literalist i believe i believe a day is a day and i could go into the actual hebrew of what a day

00:18:36.300 is but if you believe it's meaning a 24 hour but that's correct but it's actually completely irrelevant

00:18:41.260 and so what i also get though and i find amazing is every time and just get to the point is every time

00:18:47.700 we uncover something new about the creation of the planet it fits yes that's every single time

00:18:53.880 and even the stages that it goes well yeah every single one everything from quarantining someone

00:18:59.260 who's sick that's one of the levitical laws washing your hands before you eat that's one of the

00:19:02.480 levitical laws right these aren't like you know hey oh this is crazy stuff no no really like don't

00:19:08.260 don't do these things this is unclean yes exactly and so but before they had before germ theory was

00:19:14.460 even entertained by the thousands of years in the 1400s and 1500s you had people that were

00:19:19.480 bloodletting against levitical law right and if they would have just followed what the bible was

00:19:24.720 saying right the old testament was saying it very well could have been informative there's actually

00:19:28.820 a lot of that in um in natural health when it comes to dietary standards they also point that out

00:19:33.080 as well well if you eat kosher you will live a better life there's no doubt now it's more expensive

00:19:37.160 it doesn't taste as good it's twice the price and half the taste is the joke you will be

00:19:41.480 like you totally your body was designed if you don't eat shrimps mollusks i don't know who

00:19:46.400 would eat a mollusk oysters or like sea urchins every study shows that's way better for you there's

00:19:52.120 full of bacteria it's hard to digest yeah but also just like putting dairy on that of a meat it's not

00:19:57.580 necessarily great for you cheeseburgers are actually way worse for you than hamburgers i could go on and

00:20:01.340 on and on right the the dietary standards how to clean it beforehand and so anyway you ask the

00:20:05.920 question how is it that it's right well it's because it actually happened and that this book built

00:20:10.980 everything that we know so we took that book we you know the west took that book and said we're

00:20:16.420 going to put this on the shelf we're going to let accumulate dust we're going to let the spiderwebs

00:20:20.040 crawl all over it well you sure you can go to church on sunday and do whatever pray to your cross or

00:20:24.860 whatever we are going to be over here building a much greater and stronger and more powerful

00:20:29.660 and again that's why i pinpoint not the industrial revolution but the scientific revolution

00:20:33.840 the mismanagement of the scientific inquiry into the natural world is why we're in the mess that we're in

00:20:39.400 and that that's where you get hegel that's where you get john dewey that's where you get the german

00:20:44.160 historicist that's where you get all the atrocities in the 20th century that's where you get fauci the

00:20:48.520 cdc because it seems like there's it all comes from the science if you look at the beginnings of the

00:20:53.040 scientific revolution much of this was sir francis bacon it's it's christians there's priests that are

00:20:58.060 involved in mendel of course there's many gregor mendel involved in this and there's also even in

00:21:03.300 darwin to an extent darwin was a different guy but you're right there's he was misapplied to a lot of

00:21:08.580 different right but there's this there's this idea of we're learning more about god's creation

00:21:13.800 right and you can kind of see that throughout the right yeah totally i mean but they never saw it as

00:21:18.620 a challenge so there's a number i'll get the exact number and so when would you when would you say

00:21:24.140 that that sort of change in thinking took place yeah that's a really good question so just to

00:21:31.420 reinforce the point every beautiful piece of music had solely a day basically i'm getting the

00:21:36.960 word wrong glory to god at the top of every music right whether it be bach or wolfgang amadeus

00:21:42.780 mozart or chopin whoever it was all glory better mention ferderick chopin huh you better mention

00:21:47.680 chopin of course and so where did it change that's an interesting question the french revolution played

00:21:54.760 a huge role more so than the american revolution so the american revolution gets misread by modern day

00:22:00.360 leftists as this kind of liberal moment that we realize that we must throw the shackles off of

00:22:05.240 everything before us and create a new and the founders never mentioned any of that in fact the

00:22:09.860 founding was more you don't have the guillotines in philadelphia and new york well yeah but also just

00:22:14.820 look at the texts everything about the text was anchoring towards tradition one of the course of

00:22:19.300 human events comes necessary one people there's all the political bands that has tied them to

00:22:22.780 another right it's right there one of course like human events and deriving from the equal and just

00:22:27.960 powers of separate station separate stations among them are the laws of nature and nature's god

00:22:32.420 laws of nature nature's god they went to great pains to tie the american revolution to the past

00:22:39.220 and saying this is not we are not throwing the baby out with they appeal to the supreme

00:22:44.840 ruler of the earth that was a direct quote jefferson put and this was jefferson's challenge which is why

00:22:49.980 i think every school should have a jefferson statue because what he did was so unbelievably remarkable

00:22:55.860 he was able to mix the immediate with the eternal he was able to mix the prudent and the practical

00:23:04.660 with the with the everlasting they still have if you go to philadelphia it's at fifth and market you

00:23:09.700 can actually go to the building where his apartment was oh is that right where he wrote so you know

00:23:13.520 philadelphia better than i do i've been in independence hall yeah and it well it's it's you know not

00:23:17.040 which is where it was it's within right yeah that's signed but where it's actually written

00:23:21.140 which i always thought was really cool and there was how many people know about it either there was

00:23:25.240 a lust amongst the thomas paine types to go even further on the declaration of course and but thomas

00:23:31.140 jefferson was able to balance and i think it's in very quickly into um radical liberalism oh yeah

00:23:36.540 totally afterwards well paine was a radical liberal in a lot of ways he was a revolutionary and

00:23:40.680 we should thank him for stirring up the revolutionary fervor at the same time you know you gotta you gotta

00:23:46.120 have a lot of respect for how the founders kind of cooled that down and struck that balance and this

00:23:51.860 is the misreading of the founding which is that the founding was nothing more than the beginning

00:23:56.420 of a multi-hundred-year progressive movement right because that makes sense and that's that's the

00:24:01.340 position a lot of conservatives take because when we talk about revolutionary politics or revolutionary

00:24:06.740 thinking or revolutionary ideologies we never really talk about the american revolution in those terms

00:24:12.420 because inherently i think we know that it's not that it wasn't something yeah and i've heard a

00:24:16.700 historian say this thomas west i don't think agrees with this um it's more of a separation than it was a

00:24:23.920 revolution precisely and i don't want to put words in the great thomas west's mouth but that's probably

00:24:29.600 right i think because it was more just kind of like hey can we go our own way type thing french

00:24:34.640 revolution wasn't as let's say um precisely written no that was a little different yeah they changed the

00:24:40.820 time in the calendar purge the non-believers they end up killing their own guy rubs pierre the

00:24:45.160 the priest the priests were all wiped out of course um notre dame was converted into a cult a temple of

00:24:50.820 reason the cult of reason replaces the church so christianity actually didn't know that's super

00:24:55.820 completely outlawed so i thought i knew a lot about the french revolution oh completely out so the

00:25:00.860 church is outlawed priests are executed they're they're put into the guillotine literally the actual

00:25:05.320 chopping i didn't know that i didn't know that they converted notre dame they convert notre dame

00:25:08.760 into a temple to the cult of reason oh and they have they have holidays and so no i didn't know

00:25:14.700 that they realized that they need to have some type of worship right because they understand right

00:25:21.480 they're they they do understand that there is this they call it you know the god-shaped hole

00:25:24.620 right within the human psyche and so they replace that with the cult of reason and they yeah and so

00:25:31.520 we as christians again a storage house at one point too i grew up experiencing all the different

00:25:37.100 christian stereotypes like big mega church pastors screaming at you asking for money or whatever

00:25:41.860 and you know i think i turned a lot of people off the stereotype of the propaganda campaign

00:25:47.300 obviously not it being that in essence true but the bible's the word of god and it's how you should

00:25:54.760 live your life there's not one thing anyone listening right now is experiencing the bible does not

00:25:59.720 have a roadmap on how to bless you not one thing and what's what's amazing too is every single time

00:26:05.800 that humans have tried to create their own bible it has failed well yeah i mean so this is where

00:26:11.940 nietzsche tried and it drove him mad yes this is why it drove him yes because he said i have to go

00:26:16.700 create my own values good luck here's a pen and paper what do you got mr nietzsche and it drove him insane

00:26:21.740 and stalin also the thought that he would never be able to figure out a way to get a mass acceptance

00:26:29.920 of those values throughout or or what you have is just a copy paste of what the bible says and then

00:26:37.600 relabel it under some weird pagan atheistic reason thing but here's the problem this is a real

00:26:42.960 this is a problem is that people won't accept it if they don't think it's divinely inspired precisely it's

00:26:48.300 a very important thing and so you know i i tell people all the time they say charlie why do you

00:26:53.600 honor the sabbath i said because god tells me to and they say what do you mean because it's commanded

00:26:59.760 of me i said that's it i said if you believe god told you to do something would you do it right and

00:27:06.720 they say well well it doesn't make logical sense like first of all it actually does all the science

00:27:11.080 shows that taking one day of rest is actually really good for you have you ever gone and seen any of

00:27:15.700 the um the illuminated manuscripts in europe that they still have some of the preserved bibles from

00:27:20.800 the medieval time i've seen the so i went to you're probably not a geneva bible fan the uh but no but i

00:27:26.680 did go see the book of kells at the uh at trinity universe or trinity college in dublin and you so these

00:27:32.860 these were the bibles that were written during the middle ages um when you know the only literacy was

00:27:39.320 in the priest class and so these people when they're writing this it's it's this beautiful

00:27:44.720 every and yes each you know the title page of each uh each book as it begins is each one of itself

00:27:52.760 a masterpiece but even the flowing calligraphy that you see these people actually truly believed

00:28:00.040 that what they were writing was each stroke of the pen was perfect because it was the word

00:28:05.660 of god period and so this this was this is the struggle ahead of us right now right which is

00:28:13.940 that so many people have believed that god doesn't exist or it's some sort of weird eastern meditative

00:28:18.360 god which i guess is better than believing not in no god but uh there's a huge difference between the

00:28:23.420 god of the east and the god of the west massive difference massive they believe the god is in the

00:28:27.920 nature we believe god created nature right there's a lot of difference there's also a lot of um

00:28:32.440 uh like when i lived in china you know you would you would talk about you know the and even even

00:28:38.960 after highly atheistic society well yeah yes and no because even after so very superstitious of yeah

00:28:45.580 so like even after all the years of communism there's still this this and it's a total hodgepodge

00:28:51.820 there's of from the analogs and like from all traditional yeah the eaching etc but it's very

00:28:57.540 transactional that's that's basically what it comes yeah and this is one of the reasons why can i get out

00:29:01.540 of this is why gambling is a bigger deal in asian culture yes it is it's that you are going to play

00:29:06.640 your odds up against karma and numbers the universe oh my gosh it's a big deal numerology in asia yeah

00:29:12.840 but that all kind of plays into fate and karma and all these other dynamics yeah where the god of the

00:29:19.200 west is an empowering god the god of the west is a personal god yeah it's not like you you can't and a

00:29:26.120 triune one you can't play your odds with god with the well no no instead it's it's god that says

00:29:31.540 you can't like trick your way or it's like no slave nor greek nor jew we are all one in jesus christ

00:29:35.580 right where it says in philippians 4 um 4 6 where it says do not be anxious right but instead

00:29:45.380 through christ jesus and prayer thanksgiving and supplication make your request known to god

00:29:51.700 and the spirit of the lord which transcends all understanding by the way right will comfort you

00:29:59.340 and guide you and then it goes on to say whatever is true whatever is good this is why it's amazing

00:30:03.360 that one thing that i've realized even as i've gotten older i've got kids now skin in the game you

00:30:08.680 know it's like you i'm married and when you have something to lose it's i'm so thankful that god gave

00:30:17.520 us prayer i'm so thankful that we have that that as a gift where it's it's just this outlet where you

00:30:24.460 can go to and say i am at my limit i am at my extent i realize i'm at my extent i have nowhere else

00:30:31.960 to go and then boom there it is yeah so one of the um i think it's in colossians corinthians there's

00:30:38.080 this verse that is is commonly quoted where people say well charlie god will never give you more than

00:30:43.020 you can handle i said what kind of weird theology do you believe right god will give you more than

00:30:47.460 you can handle every day but not more than he can handle exactly huge difference because the

00:30:52.640 difference is are you going to then give up your hands and say god i need you to take care of this

00:30:57.200 i am not enough i can't get this done and just from the pure scientific clinical data it shows

00:31:03.980 you're actually a happier person a more productive person a more thankful person if you actually even go

00:31:09.340 through the process of prayer not alone not not to mention that prayer is actually an immediate and

00:31:14.500 personal conversation with the living god and so you ask the question how did the west get here

00:31:19.100 right and and we keep trying to recreate it by the way we say oh well we'll do some type of uh

00:31:25.160 meditative act or which again is better than you know when you when this is all going yoga right

00:31:32.540 of course always has it's better than doing like new zealand orgies or whatever right 25 not 26

00:31:37.780 but i feel so bad for guy 26 but yeah but then but then at what at what point does the meditative

00:31:44.580 yoga circuit all of a sudden say this is how god wants you to live and then they're never going to

00:31:50.260 say that right it's that it's all about centering yourself well then what's your morality how would

00:31:54.740 you organize a lot of it is a lot of it is based on this idea that if you just become more one with

00:32:02.440 yourself then you're it's incredibly narcissistic you essentially like god becomes through and from

00:32:10.960 so here's another here's another difference between buddhism and christianity right so buddhism believes

00:32:15.240 at the highest level of buddhism you don't talk i've been to tibet i've been to the monasteries and

00:32:21.540 they have these incredible debates where they're looking at each other and they will clap with their

00:32:28.580 hands at each other and yet they're not actually speaking in christianity the two creation stories

00:32:34.040 god created heavens the earth in the beginning was the word the word was god the word was with god

00:32:37.400 right is logos which is the word for speech right god's spoken to existence we are the speaking

00:32:43.900 beings at the highest levels of existence and earthly existence we are beings that are reasoning

00:32:48.720 speaking and communicating and the highest level of existence in buddhism you shut up it's a big

00:32:54.940 difference yeah you you turn yourself over to what exactly you know yeah and right and so but also

00:33:02.560 you're not you're obviously you're not winning people over you're not communicating you're not

00:33:07.560 reasoning it's very sheltered it's very it's like retreating i think there's a place for that i think

00:33:13.820 resting is obviously important but the highest level of buddhist philosophy is that you then ascent to the

00:33:21.500 highest level of nirvana right right through that where we believe the total opposite and that's how

00:33:26.380 you're breaking the cycle and yeah yeah we believe jesus came to us we believe nirvana whatever heaven

00:33:32.440 which we believe is a real place has a non-stop ticket where jesus said here you go i paid the

00:33:36.740 whole price for you you don't have to go sit down and shut up and go to some hill and clap at each other

00:33:40.820 and wear an orange robe no offense anyone that might do that that listen to our show she might be a nice

00:33:44.740 person whatever the point is that it's totally different here's a ticket free admission go free as it

00:33:50.140 says in john 8 38 the truth will set you free that through jesus christ we are free and so when you

00:33:57.060 have that type of religion at the center take it back a little bit at the center of your society

00:34:04.500 right when you have that type of empowering ideology at the center of your society because of course

00:34:09.480 you know you go to asia they've all basically done away with buddhism i mean that's not um but there's a

00:34:15.600 lot of different variations of forms of that but well there are i mean you could go to you know

00:34:19.400 there's tibetan buddhism there's chinese buddhism there's uh the buddhism of southwest asia you know

00:34:24.740 etc etc and i've been to these places i've spent time with them i've met these people um i've i was

00:34:29.900 fascinated in many ways by um you know we went to the jay buddha temple i should live near the jay

00:34:35.680 buddha temple in shanghai but it just seems to be missing something right it and and what it really is

00:34:42.740 missing what i've always found is that direct personal connection that you have with your

00:34:50.580 creator yes that's right not creation right we are of creation that's a big difference but that

00:34:57.580 i am directly connected to my creator that is the king of the universe and let's let's start with what

00:35:05.300 how genesis 1 starts right god created the heavens and the earth the heavens and the earth are not god

00:35:09.980 no god created the heavens and the earth he is above the heavens and the earth precisely it's a

00:35:14.160 big difference supreme yes he is he is totally above so if you are any other it's like we had

00:35:20.140 this um at our parish they just started this new and i don't know if we're gonna be going there

00:35:25.000 anywhere if they still keep doing this but they said oh we're gonna have a racial justice committee

00:35:28.000 you should leave um and this is going to be the uh and you go and you can you can take so many

00:35:34.160 verses it'll make their heads and i and i just turned to tanya and we're sitting there i'm like

00:35:38.820 look around the room right now this is racial justice right if that's something you're concerned

00:35:45.040 with you've got every single ethnicity under this roof under god right worshiping christ together

00:35:53.140 what do we need a committee for right this is the supreme being we are the lessers it's simple right

00:36:00.200 and to me quite frankly if you're someone who's so concerned with the differences of people you know i

00:36:07.820 really question whether or not you're putting christ at the center yeah it's replacement religion

00:36:11.700 absolutely right that means that there's something wrong this is a competing yeah of course absolutely

00:36:16.640 a competing theology yeah and we see this with the cult of greta thunberg and we see this with fauci

00:36:22.820 these are all replacement religions and the church had to deal with this yes in in 300 ad 280

00:36:28.560 exactly we see the exact same thing yeah justinian and every major you know roman uh constantine

00:36:36.140 dealt with the same thing and like 320 or whatever um same sort of thing so yeah you asked the question

00:36:42.620 how did the west get here we we mismanaged the scientific revolution there were beautiful fruits of the

00:36:48.220 scientific revolution admitting the heliocentric theory of gravitational pull was a good thing for

00:36:53.840 humanity catholic church minorly mismanaged that but that's a separate issue for a different time

00:36:58.760 right also debatable how it was managed i i said slightly mismanaged i think that the characterization

00:37:04.380 is actually unfair he wasn't executed he went to like a villa with his students but yeah it's still

00:37:08.720 exactly the catholic church was wrong and they tried to cover it up that's irrefutable man is always

00:37:13.980 yeah but but the way that the way that they defended it was wrong anyway you don't have you don't have

00:37:18.540 to defend them on this it's okay my point is that every every man-made institution or every man-run

00:37:23.820 institution is going to have issues that's fine i think it's it's sometimes used unfairly but i'd

00:37:29.060 still yield with the place that was a mistake the point is that then in the 1600s early 1700s we started

00:37:34.700 to see man's all of a sudden domination over nature right so the scientific revolution changed the game

00:37:41.080 right you get to the point where you know we've gone we're no longer victims of nature you know we're

00:37:46.520 we're we're agrarians and then we you know we start being able to do some trade and hey maybe i found

00:37:52.720 some shiny rocks over here so i'll trade you some of those but now suddenly it's you know now you're

00:37:58.560 cooking with gas yeah and so then you started to see there's there's no there's no mystery than why

00:38:04.820 you started to see philosophers posit well if we can dominate nature why do we need this christianity

00:38:10.140 thing right it all came at the same time obviously that and then then it kind of hit this apex point

00:38:15.100 where the industrial revolution was happening but again industrial revolution only happened

00:38:19.380 because the scientific revolution that it does not happen one without the other and then yeah you get

00:38:24.140 people like marx who says religion is the opiate of the masses and you get hegel who argues about a

00:38:28.700 new way to view history and you get this completely different paradigm but throughout the entire thing

00:38:34.300 um it's kind of been obvious i mean it's easy to play like oh they coulda shoulda woulda but

00:38:39.180 definitely in the last 50 years i think conservatives have always been on the right side of the left's

00:38:45.660 progress for the west meaning like our idea of right is like we're going to take the most right

00:38:51.380 position of the left wing right yeah exactly it's like okay whatever it's like okay maybe we don't do

00:38:56.720 drag queen story hour we're not going to say that we're not going to do children can't do you know

00:39:01.760 we're not you know sexual reassignment surgery of course we should have universal health care but we have

00:39:05.580 to manage it or do it market yeah market universal health care or it's like you know it's one thing

00:39:12.100 to say we shouldn't have like no new immigrants let's just have the right ones or whatever right

00:39:16.660 and some of these are reasonable things some of them are not when you look at decay we should have

00:39:21.960 been pushing in the opposite direction right and i think there's this whole new renaissance around

00:39:26.660 these ideas because people like you and me similar to nietzsche i never thought i'd say that are seeing

00:39:32.180 the absolute unraveling of everything around us because we really don't care what you call us

00:39:38.040 anymore we've gotten to a point now where we realize that you know are we living through i mean

00:39:45.740 we're clearly living through a collapse cycle right you know and even even joe rogan is talking with

00:39:50.960 kalyuga is bringing up you know a lot of these different theories on fourth turning etc about what

00:39:57.020 exactly kind of cycle we're in and we're in that so the question then becomes when you look at other

00:40:02.220 collapses when you look at other societies that have gone through this other civilizations which

00:40:06.500 ones managed it properly which ones decided to actually take um you know can you fight history i

00:40:12.380 think is a question well i mean the romans are always a good example and the romans splintered and

00:40:17.400 had the eastern roman empire for a pretty long time and that fell apart eventually but that was a

00:40:22.660 pretty big success i mean the eastern roman empire byzantium right it was the flagship for

00:40:29.620 christianity over a thousand years yeah and and after the it's hard to say the ottoman empire was

00:40:35.900 byzantium but that's probably true to an extent meaning that as soon as that absolved you know with

00:40:42.980 the fall of constantinople and whatever year that was uh where the turks finally won 1453 yeah the fall of

00:40:49.360 hagia sophia and uh the it's a really interesting battle it's a long siege they tried many times

00:40:55.540 they finally succeeded um but yeah so i don't think we've forgotten about that yeah exactly uh well

00:41:02.000 rome didn't send reinforcements in time that's a different conversation for a different time but it

00:41:06.240 is yeah that's actually it's true rome could have bailed out constantinople well this is a huge issue

00:41:10.860 between um the catholics and the orthodox right now today is constantinople yeah i mean rome could have

00:41:16.360 fixed the whole problem the whole issue right one one uh flotilla of boats easily yeah and they were

00:41:23.480 counting on it it never happened so or they like stayed at bay or something there was some weird

00:41:27.360 political thing there i don't know it's it it ends up being a lot more and this is something that tanya

00:41:32.480 and i talk so my wife is orthodox and i've said that many times but you know one thing we talk about

00:41:37.080 it is that it it did end up being much more of a political separation than anything else right and it

00:41:42.520 wasn't a good thing that the turks took over constantinople still isn't to this day obviously

00:41:46.180 so he is still a church by the way just for the regardless of what they say no matter what they

00:41:50.760 say i don't care isn't it interesting how they always want to change churches to mosques it's

00:41:53.980 really weird we don't try to turn mosques to church no we don't well it's like i i was up in um i was in

00:41:57.940 toronto and of course it was in toronto and we saw this um this uh episcopalian church because of

00:42:03.520 course it was episcopalian and it was only it was with the refugees welcome and they have the crescent moon

00:42:07.800 and we're there with tanya and she goes you know if you tried to do that to a mosque and said

00:42:13.340 christians welcome and put a cross in front of imagine you go to middle east and put that off

00:42:17.960 what would happen your hand your hand cut off immediately but that's tolerance becoming your

00:42:21.400 own death but then i was saying so i was saying we should go and we should get like uh you know

00:42:25.800 like a paintbrush or something and then you know underneath the the crescent moon uh right um

00:42:32.540 refugees welcome to learn the gospel yeah that's right everyone's welcome to learn the gospel

00:42:36.700 because it's a church right that's the point of churches is to teach the gospel and further the

00:42:40.840 the teachings so you ask where this goes we don't know the unraveling of empires can be messy

00:42:45.180 um we are an empire it's just the way it is um yeah i mean there's two separate questions there

00:42:53.080 obviously but i'm really not in the prediction business the way with that stuff it just it's

00:42:58.100 exhausting the way that i look at it is the way to manage it is you know okay are we not are we going

00:43:04.080 to be an empire going forward or are we not and if we're not what do we do to reconstitute ourselves

00:43:10.900 in a way that is most beneficial for the people who live here now the problem with the american

00:43:15.800 empire is that we never admitted we were one right and that was the weirdest thing it's like oh yeah

00:43:22.040 we're not an empire meanwhile we're gonna bases in every corner there's some interesting theories

00:43:25.180 out there about you know whether or not the british empire just kind of continued through

00:43:29.620 america you know through the anglosphere and we still kind of defer to england on a lot of like

00:43:35.040 of this foreign policy like yeah i don't know stuff and it's it it's an interesting it's probably too

00:43:39.780 deep it's an interesting but yeah i mean the the thing that people can do is win where you live

00:43:47.520 yes and that's the most important i mean so we're trying to do that here in arizona yes right is that

00:43:52.780 just focus local and the rest might work it might not because that actually is something that can

00:43:59.400 well and even even even smaller than that even go back to hey we're going to have ordered families

00:44:05.840 again yeah we should push policies that we're not going to make decisions for people but we can say

00:44:11.600 as a society hey society works better when we have these things called families we're unafraid to

00:44:16.720 raising children claims about the good of existence this is good morally and it's also good socially

00:44:23.900 it is better right and if the gdp has to go down just a little bit here's the crazy thing it won't

00:44:29.620 like that's the it might go down like half a percent great okay so we have families and people are happy

00:44:35.300 so yeah i mean you mean you look at this town um that just got hit with this uh was it may mayfield

00:44:42.280 i believe it was called kentucky and i mean it's like a mayberry kind of town right but i was talking

00:44:48.360 to somebody who who lived near there and he said you know but it's just like one of these other towns

00:44:52.640 where it was we had this amazing community at one point and then over the last 40 50 years it's just

00:44:58.240 been gutted and the people there were already living in poverty just absolute poverty yeah well i know

00:45:02.820 we have to wrap amfest.com everybody if you want to go to america fest this jack this is your show so

00:45:08.080 you gotta end i i do have to end it don't i charlie where can people follow you and so yeah

00:45:13.120 you're listening make sure you subscribe to the charlie kirk show podcast yeah yeah check out charlie

00:45:17.500 he's got like some little rinky dink podcast yeah there that people that's what they tell me people

00:45:21.040 kind of follow with but but in all seriousness uh charlie what's the biggest thing you're looking

00:45:25.940 forward to for next the next year or the next i will say this very shortly um i'm looking forward

00:45:31.960 to more people getting based love it folks charlie kirk jack sobek you know where to find thank you

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 24, 2021

HUMAN EVENTS DAILY EXCLUSIVE： ENLIGHTENMENT, PHILOSOPHY, AND GOD WITH CHARLIE KIRK

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