Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 23, 2021


HUMAN EVENTS DAILY EXCLUSIVE： THE TRUTH ABOUT TAIWAN

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Jack Posobiec takes a deep dive into the history of the conflict between China and Taiwan and how it got to where it is today, and why it is a potential war between the two countries. Jack also provides a brief history of Taiwan and China, and how they came to be the way they are now.

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00:00:00.000 This is Jack Posobiec, and you are listening to Human Events Daily.
00:00:06.620 Now, one thing that I wanted to do as we're in this sort of Christmas break period was
00:00:12.680 to record a couple of episodes of Human Events Daily where we're doing some conversations,
00:00:18.160 we're doing some evergreen pieces, we're doing some stuff that just you really can listen
00:00:23.280 to it at any time.
00:00:24.320 And one thing that a lot of people, even the producers here were saying, you know, Jack,
00:00:29.680 one thing, you are always talking about this, we're always hearing about it, China and Taiwan,
00:00:34.300 China and Taiwan, can you give us a quick, you know, quick and dirty deep dive on China
00:00:39.420 and Taiwan?
00:00:40.460 Why is it the way that it is?
00:00:42.300 How did it get to the way that it is?
00:00:44.040 And why are we seeing potentially that China, which is controlled by the CCP, wants to invade
00:00:50.640 and take over Taiwan?
00:00:52.200 And I said, really, guys, you don't, you don't, you don't know this.
00:00:54.640 And it's because sometimes I forget, you know, to me, I've been studying this problem set.
00:00:59.680 I've been in East Asia for 15 years, and I've been traveling there.
00:01:03.680 I lived in Shanghai for about two years, traveled all throughout the region.
00:01:07.960 I've been to Taiwan multiple times.
00:01:09.640 I've actually sailed through the Taiwan Strait while aboard a Navy vessel in 2016.
00:01:14.720 So yeah, this is something that's that to me is just kind of old hat.
00:01:18.780 But I said, you know what?
00:01:19.560 Okay, yeah, we'll do a quick, you know, a quick explainer on the conflict between China
00:01:26.980 and Taiwan, and how did it get to that way?
00:01:29.620 And why exactly is it that we consider it a conflict?
00:01:36.200 You know, what, what, what do they consider?
00:01:38.000 What are the arguments variously?
00:01:39.620 So, you know, let's, let's really talk about it.
00:01:41.740 So obviously, I think people realize right off the bat, the People's Republic of China
00:01:46.460 is massively, massively bigger than Taiwan.
00:01:51.300 It's, it's the scale is almost completely incomparable.
00:01:54.080 This is one tiny island off of the coast of the most populous country in the entire world.
00:02:00.140 So the population of China, 1.4 billion, the population of Taiwan, 23 million.
00:02:07.340 So basically, you know, a couple of major US cities, that's the population of Taiwan,
00:02:11.920 or at least the, you know, the metro area of those cities.
00:02:14.680 Capital of Beijing is capital of China is Beijing, the capital of the of Taiwan is Taipei.
00:02:21.940 The largest city in China is, of course, Shanghai with 26 million people.
00:02:27.140 And the capital, or the largest city in Taiwan is New Taipei City.
00:02:30.400 So think about this, by the way, think about this.
00:02:32.700 The population of the largest city in mainland China, Shanghai is larger than the entire population
00:02:41.400 of Taiwan.
00:02:42.900 This is absolutely stunning in terms of comparison, right?
00:02:46.960 So when you're looking at this in terms of a military matchup,
00:02:51.120 it's not actually going to be that much of, of a challenge, right?
00:02:56.500 In terms of the biggest issue is, of course, the strait itself, that Taiwan strait,
00:03:00.880 that strip of water that separates them, and the ability for the CCP and their military,
00:03:06.060 the PLA, the People's Liberation Army, to be able to get across and to get their landers
00:03:10.760 across.
00:03:11.200 Of course, Taiwan, we talked about this in a previous episode that you guys can go listen
00:03:15.560 to, where it's the entire military briefing on what would what an invasion scenario would
00:03:20.780 look like.
00:03:21.240 We covered air, land, sea, and cyber.
00:03:24.660 And of course, for the sea situation, you're going to see submarines, you're going to see
00:03:27.680 mines all throughout there.
00:03:28.940 And then most likely, you're going to see a blockade by the People's Liberation Army
00:03:31.860 Navy.
00:03:32.580 So the Chinese Navy.
00:03:34.420 But how did things get to the way they are now?
00:03:39.320 Taiwan originally was part of China.
00:03:42.860 If you go back to dynastic China, imperial China, Taiwan was just another province of
00:03:49.660 imperial China.
00:03:51.400 But then imperial China was overthrown in 1911.
00:03:56.640 And Sun Yat-sen and a number of other individuals were highly instrumental in the overthrow of imperial
00:04:04.880 China.
00:04:05.240 That was the Qing dynasty.
00:04:07.000 So the Qing dynasty is overthrown.
00:04:08.640 They were the last dynasty.
00:04:10.340 And then a new government is formed.
00:04:11.940 And that's called the Republic of China.
00:04:14.740 So the Republic of China takes over all of China at that point.
00:04:18.620 They are able to essentially be in power all the way up until World War II, the Japanese 0.80
00:04:25.320 invasion, and then following the Japanese invasion in 1949, you get the communist overthrow.
00:04:31.100 Right.
00:04:31.240 So I'm being very, very quick about this because, again, wavetops, people were just doing wavetops.
00:04:38.380 Taiwan, however, is the part where we see the switch.
00:04:43.340 So during that time period, 1911 up until the Japanese invasion to the 1930s, right, there's
00:04:52.160 essentially two Chinas because you have the Republic of China, and that's led by who?
00:04:56.760 So Chiang Kai-shek, and his group is called the Nationalists, also known as the Kuomintang,
00:05:01.140 or you'll see this stylized as KMT.
00:05:04.220 Then at the same time, you have the communists who led the communists.
00:05:08.280 I think everybody knows this one, Mao Zedong.
00:05:11.040 And they really got their start in the 1920s, so not too long after the takeover and the
00:05:15.960 establishment of the Republic of China.
00:05:17.440 Remember, at this point, the Republic of China is still in its infancy.
00:05:21.220 It's just getting started.
00:05:22.460 China has never seen a democratic government before.
00:05:25.760 They've never seen a kind of government.
00:05:27.840 I mean, they were literally imperialist until like five minutes before this.
00:05:31.740 So they never had seen a system of government, a republic that had that kind of stability
00:05:37.340 before.
00:05:38.120 And of course, Chairman Mao looked to exploit this.
00:05:40.420 The USSR, the Soviets were looking to exploit this. 0.52
00:05:43.720 So keep in mind, the Soviet revolution, the Bolshevik revolution took place just in the
00:05:47.880 same exact time period.
00:05:49.160 So that revolutionary fervor that was spread throughout the East, really throughout Russia,
00:05:55.360 throughout China.
00:05:56.000 So you have the China revolution first, right? 0.91
00:05:59.440 They called the February revolution or the October revolution.
00:06:01.960 Then you have this another revolution against imperial Russia just a few years later, at least
00:06:07.560 the one that was successful.
00:06:08.480 There were even some earlier in Russia that were unsuccessful.
00:06:10.800 And then the murder of the czar in 1855.
00:06:15.460 So you have a lot of this revolutionary anti-imperialist fervor that's going on throughout all of Europe
00:06:20.620 and then extends into Asia in the early 1900s.
00:06:23.900 And so with this overthrow, the communists come in and they say, we want China to go communist.
00:06:31.420 We don't want the establishment of a democratic constitutional republic in China.
00:06:37.440 So the USSR comes in and starts funding Mao and the Soviet agents start funding Mao and 0.53
00:06:41.940 working with the early precursors of the CCP.
00:06:44.260 This is the birth.
00:06:44.900 This is the origin story of the CCP.
00:06:46.920 In the meanwhile, the nationalists are trying to set up their own government.
00:06:50.840 Now, when I said they've never been democratic, the early nationalist government was not democratic.
00:06:56.240 Chiang Kai-shek was, you know, essentially a military leader and he was a military leader for
00:07:01.200 that fledgling republic.
00:07:02.260 So you don't see the kind of, you know, you don't see a democracy like the United States,
00:07:08.100 a republic like the United States originally founded there.
00:07:11.440 But then Japan invades and then Japan invades again and they're taking more land and they're 0.85
00:07:15.620 taking more land and then all of World War II eventually breaks out.
00:07:19.440 So during this point, Chiang Kai-shek and his forces, they are stuck fighting Japan and
00:07:23.740 trying to kick Japan out of where Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong. 0.93
00:07:27.740 These are the main areas, the main population centers, the main economic centers.
00:07:31.540 Meanwhile, the nationalists up to this point had been fighting a civil war with the CCP,
00:07:37.300 with the communists.
00:07:38.300 So what did the communists do?
00:07:40.200 In the first iteration of the Chinese civil war, which took place in the 1920s, the nationalists
00:07:45.480 won, they kicked the communists out and Chairman Mao conducted what's called the Long March.
00:07:49.940 And the Long March was the PLA, the People's Liberation Army precursor.
00:07:55.240 It was known at that point, of course, as the Red Army.
00:07:57.900 So the Red Army is sent all the way out to the provinces.
00:08:01.260 They're sent out to the western, you know, reaches, the rural areas, rural China.
00:08:05.840 And while they're out there in Yunnan province, Mao is at its redoubt and he says, look, this
00:08:11.460 is where I'm going to reconstitute.
00:08:13.300 This is where I'm going to rebuild my armies.
00:08:15.320 This is where we're going to bring the fight back to the nationalists because he didn't want
00:08:19.740 to give up.
00:08:20.160 He didn't want to quit.
00:08:20.640 And remember, of course, he's still getting his support from the Soviets at this time.
00:08:25.160 They did actually have some arguments about whether or not they should be hiring peasants
00:08:28.560 because the Soviets wanted more of a vanguard, but that's a much longer story.
00:08:33.280 So at this time, though, Mao sees the Japanese invasion and sees the nationalists are now fighting
00:08:40.340 the Japanese Imperial Army.
00:08:42.180 And he says to himself, this is perfect, the enemy of my enemy, right?
00:08:48.680 So the Japanese are fighting the nationalists.
00:08:51.540 Mao sits back and says, we don't have to worry about this.
00:08:54.640 We can let them fight.
00:08:57.160 Chiang Kai-shek doesn't want to make a deal with Chairman Mao because this is his sworn enemy.
00:09:02.660 This is his sworn foe.
00:09:04.020 This is the leader of the communists.
00:09:05.740 He doesn't want to do a deal with them because he realizes what would happen, right?
00:09:09.780 He realizes that he, of course, would be stabbed in the back.
00:09:13.020 But at one point, the situation becomes completely untenable.
00:09:17.260 And so at that point, Chiang Kai-shek is actually kidnapped, right?
00:09:21.740 He's kidnapped by his own people and brought up north.
00:09:25.460 And he is forced essentially at gunpoint to sign a deal with the communists to say,
00:09:30.620 we will work together to fight the Japanese. 0.90
00:09:33.720 They sign the deal.
00:09:35.300 But guess what?
00:09:36.040 Mao doesn't commit forces in any serious levels to fighting the Japanese.
00:09:41.960 So all of World War II goes on.
00:09:44.820 We know how that ends.
00:09:45.900 Of course, we know Hiroshima, Nagasaki, nuclear, the atomic bombs, nuclear bombs are dropped.
00:09:52.300 Japanese, Japan surrenders.
00:09:54.080 The emperor surrenders.
00:09:55.500 USS Missouri happens.
00:09:56.940 So you get the treaty.
00:09:58.040 You get the end of the war.
00:09:59.220 So the war is over.
00:10:00.520 But that situation still exists.
00:10:03.800 So Chairman Mao is sitting back out there and says, what are we going to do?
00:10:08.980 What are we going to have?
00:10:10.540 We want our own country.
00:10:13.580 And we want to take over all of China. 0.98
00:10:18.000 So Mao at that point, almost immediately afterwards, retakes and restarts the civil war in China.
00:10:28.060 So the civil war in China gets restarted and Mao is now fighting the forces of the nationalists and Chiang Kai-shek that have been completely depleted by having to fight the Japanese throughout all of World War II.
00:10:39.980 And interestingly enough, and this is something that's been a huge point of contention for many, many years, people looking back at this say, why was it that Truman's government, when this was taking place, and FDR's government, which saw the early stages of this, and saw all of this going on, by the way,
00:10:59.560 and you've got all the declassified diplomatic cables from this time, from the American diplomats who were there, that were seeing the communists reconstitute their strength, rebuild their armies, knew they were going to come for the nationalists, knew they were going to fight for the overthrow.
00:11:12.460 And the State Department sending this stuff back from the people in the field, the OSS is sending this back from their people in the field, they were the precursor to the CIA.
00:11:21.640 Why didn't Truman at that point, give funding or aid to the nationalists, when he knew that the Soviets and Chairman Mao were poised to take over the country, who allowed China to go red?
00:11:42.460 And that is an interesting question.
00:11:43.740 And there's a lot of people who don't like that question.
00:11:45.720 There's a lot of people who don't want to open that up because you get accused of McCarthyism and blacklisting and all of this other stuff.
00:11:55.740 But there is also a lot of evidence that there are people who, at the time, were at the highest levels of the United States government, or had influence at the highest levels of the United States government, that wanted to see China to fall to the communists, that they wanted it to happen.
00:12:11.220 And so, of course, without that support, having been depleted by fighting Japan for so many years, they are easily, Chiang Kai-shek is easily routed by the communists, he is defeated, he is kicked out of Beijing, he is kicked out of entirely all of mainland China.
00:12:29.480 And then what happens, the Kuomintang decamps and runs down to Taiwan. 0.52
00:12:36.520 So the entire former regime of all of China goes and makes their retreat to Taiwan.
00:12:45.220 And that's where Chiang Kai-shek establishes himself. 0.95
00:12:47.440 At that point, although we're going up to 1949 now, Chairman Mao heads back, goes to Beijing, and declares himself the overall leader of China, and declares, of course, the PRC, the CCP is now the head of all China.
00:13:03.040 And so at the time, though, Chiang Kai-shek and his forces and his armaments, and the Republic of China, the remnants of that government, have now all fled, along with, by the way, the Treasury, have fled to Taiwan.
00:13:15.620 So that's what sets up the stalemate that we're in right now.
00:13:20.940 The government of Taiwan does not officially declare themselves to be an independent country, or an independent government just of the island of Taiwan.
00:13:33.320 To this day, as I am recording this here in Phoenix, Arizona, the Republic of China is the stated name for the government of Taiwan.
00:13:43.800 And they don't declare themselves to only be the government of Taiwan.
00:13:48.060 They declare themselves to be the legitimate leader of all of China.
00:13:53.880 But because of the insurrection and the revolution of the communists, they were kicked out.
00:13:59.740 Interestingly enough, if you go to Taiwan and you see the maps they have hanging up, because at that time, prior to the communist revolution, China, all of Mongolia was not yet independent.
00:14:11.400 And so if you look at a map of China in Taiwan, they also declare themselves to be the leaders of Taiwan.
00:14:17.600 And so you see that sort of like big hump in the middle of where Mongolia would normally be on on modern maps.
00:14:24.320 But in Taiwan, they actually still have that as part of China, because at that time, remember, we're going back to the 1911 borders that Mongolia was still part of China.
00:14:33.160 And so this has led to the stalemate that we're in today.
00:14:39.120 They declare themselves to be the leaders of all of China, but they have not declared themselves to be an independent state.
00:14:46.180 The CCP, on the other hand, does declare them to be part of the People's Republic of China.
00:14:53.700 And it says that you are under our authority because we have sovereignty over all of China. 0.56
00:14:59.560 You are just a band of insurrectionists against our government.
00:15:03.540 And it's kind of like, and I've said this to people before, but it's kind of like a situation where imagine if, for example, you had, so look at the American Civil War, right?
00:15:15.820 And civil wars tend to have messy endings, right?
00:15:19.220 And so this was the end, the result of the end of the Chinese Civil War, the second iteration of it, where you have essentially two countries that are now split because you have two governments.
00:15:28.840 So, of course, in the American Civil War, the Confederacy was completely defeated.
00:15:33.540 But imagine, if you will, that the Confederacy had, you know, just for purposes of analogy, had continued to exist and they had taken over like Puerto Rico or something, you know, some U.S. territory.
00:15:47.040 And they said, now we are the sole legitimate ruler of this.
00:15:50.900 We are the legitimate government here.
00:15:52.660 And you people up in Washington, D.C., you have no sovereignty over us.
00:15:56.720 And they would then and then go on to continue to declare that they also, by the way, are the same government over the entire South, where, of course, the Union would say, no, we are the government over the South.
00:16:06.560 And, you know, obviously, they clearly are because that's how the war ended.
00:16:08.660 So that's the kind of situation that exists now.
00:16:12.800 But I know it's not exactly perfect one to one kind of kind of thing, but just understand, you know, putting their civil war through the context of our civil war.
00:16:21.820 It's and when you have these two competing regimes, this is an example of a way to just, you know, to kind of try to explain it for people who have no idea what the difference is.
00:16:30.980 But so the question that becomes, what is the United States's policy towards this?
00:16:37.640 And so what the United States has done over the years has been called or been dubbed the one China policy.
00:16:46.520 And they say so the United States generally plays this diplomatic game of saying, you know, they did switch recognition under Jimmy Carter, under President Carter.
00:16:55.160 They switched recognition from the leadership in Taiwan, which they had been held all the way up until the 1970s.
00:17:01.880 Even when Nixon did his meetings with Zhou Enlai, the Emanons greets, when they did his meetings with Chairman Mao, Kissinger went over there and did this as well.
00:17:10.260 They didn't actually recognize officially the CCP as the rulers of China.
00:17:16.480 And this went on for about 30 years, all the way up until President Carter.
00:17:20.720 President Carter switches diplomatic representation.
00:17:23.200 What this also then does is trigger the switching of the seat on the United Nations Security Council from being controlled by the Republic of China, Taiwan, to the CCP.
00:17:35.420 And it allows the CCP to have a powerful, extremely powerful seat on the United Nations Security Council.
00:17:41.700 This is a huge, huge, huge deal.
00:17:44.660 But what the United States has done, right, to this point is now declare a status quo kind of thing where they say, well, we believe in the one child policy.
00:17:53.180 Some one China policy.
00:17:54.120 What's the one China policy?
00:17:55.540 Well, that Taiwan and China are part of the same country.
00:17:57.820 But they never quite say what country that is.
00:18:00.600 Well, is that the People's Republic or is that the Republic?
00:18:03.560 And, you know, you go back to the 1960s.
00:18:05.340 I mean, you can see pictures of President Dwight Eisenhower, you know, riding along with Chiang Kai-shek in Taipei, right, during this time.
00:18:13.860 You can see Taiwan still receiving military funding from the United States and military material from the United States.
00:18:22.120 Even though there is no directly direct recognition of the government of Taiwan, there's all these sort of indirect high level ties.
00:18:34.080 But, again, they play these sort of diplomatic games with it.
00:18:37.840 So this has led to a very interesting question.
00:18:42.580 Should Taiwan then, in this situation, declare itself to be an independent country?
00:18:49.440 And the CCP has been very clear about this.
00:18:51.600 They then would take that as an act of aggression.
00:18:54.460 So if they declared themselves, if they essentially they dropped the claim, right, so then they'd have to drop the claim that their legitimate government of all of China essentially concede that the CCP took over and won the war, which, you know, I mean, they did because they didn't get this.
00:19:10.580 They had support from the Soviets and the nationalists did not have the support of the United States in the Western world.
00:19:14.900 They were allowed to fall.
00:19:16.480 So the CCP wins.
00:19:18.240 They take over everything except for Taiwan. 0.95
00:19:20.500 So then Taiwan would become its own independent country.
00:19:23.280 Mainland China has said, we will take that as an act of aggression and declaration of war.
00:19:30.980 And they would use that as the ability and the pretext to then go invade.
00:19:35.420 But or in their, you know, precepts, they would say there's an insurrectionist government that has taken over this rogue province and we are going now to bring them back into the fold.
00:19:44.060 Right. Does that make sense?
00:19:44.740 Versus the other option, you know, obviously would be, you know, if you have your, your, your real patriotic, you know, kind of restorationist view on anywhere that you would say, well, if the CCP were ever to fall, then there is a government.
00:20:05.020 That could exist that could retake power over all of China and the Lao Baixing and the Chinese house Christians and the Uyghurs and concentration camps, the Tibetans, the Falun Gong, the dissidents, the freedom fighters of Hong Kong would then be placed under or really restored to the democratic Republic of China.
00:20:30.920 Which of course, through Taiwan has actually evolved into a functional democracy and they do actually declare their leader to be the president of the Republic of China.
00:20:42.180 But of course they claim, and Irene Manzai is the current president and they again declare her to be the president of all of China.
00:20:51.740 Does that make sense?
00:20:52.260 So the question for the United States now is, if something like that were to happen, what side would the United States take?
00:21:02.720 And for me, it's quite simple.
00:21:04.060 I think that the people of the United States would prefer to stand with the country that has fought for freedom, that has continued to stand for freedom in Asia, and that would be Taiwan.
00:21:16.420 And stand with the Republic of China and hope that the Republic of China would eventually take over all of mainland China. 0.68
00:21:23.860 However, the leaders of the United States, the ones who have been bought and sold, and we've seen the family ties, we've seen the extensive family financial ties through our government leaders, our academic leaders, of course, our business leaders, right?
00:21:41.400 Our entertainment leaders are all in bed with the CCP.
00:21:45.380 So I think you would actually see a situation where the people of America would say, hey, we stand with Taiwan, but the leaders of America say, you know, you know, I don't know, maybe the CCP isn't so bad, maybe we should go with them.
00:22:03.840 And if you think I'm just saying that, that's literally what the head of the Olympic Committee just stated when they asked why China is being given the 22 Olympics, even after everything they've done with the Uyghurs, even after everything they've done on and on and on with essentially what's a genocide, which amounts to ethnic and cultural genocide in Tibet and in Xinjiang.
00:22:28.160 And they said, well, you know, the Olympics are, they're bigger than any one government, so it doesn't really matter who's getting it.
00:22:33.800 And the CCP, oh, they're not that bad, right, is the head of the Olympics saying this.
00:22:37.680 So understand the situation we're in, ladies and gentlemen.
00:22:40.440 We're in a situation now where because of deep, deep financial ties of our leaders, their class, their leadership class, which has outsourced the jobs, outsourced the manufacturing of the deplorables to China and other parts of the world. 0.89
00:22:55.800 So their wealth is not derived from the United States.
00:23:01.100 Their wealth is derived from their ties with China.
00:23:06.540 And so if their wealth is derived from their ties with China, then are they going to act in the interests of the United States or are they going to act in the interests of China?
00:23:16.540 You know, I've been reading and I mentioned this the other day on the podcast that I've been reading this book about the partitions of Poland because Poland, you know, prior to 1795 was this massive state all throughout the 1700s called the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth.
00:23:32.920 This huge, sprawling grouping of various regions together between Poland, Lithuania and Ruthenia, which is now known as Western Ukraine, was all together in and the Baltic states, of course, with Lithuania were all together under this.
00:23:50.960 And it was a huge bulwark state in between Russia and Germany.
00:23:57.300 And so the question was, what happened to that state?
00:24:00.800 Why didn't that state still exist anymore?
00:24:03.000 This was an incredibly powerful state.
00:24:04.520 And it's because it's very simple.
00:24:06.240 Their nobles were bought off by foreign powers.
00:24:09.340 So surrounding the Commonwealth was the German Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire.
00:24:15.240 And they just started funding the nobles because they realized, hey, we can buy these people off.
00:24:19.820 We can make them rich.
00:24:20.740 We can make them powerful.
00:24:21.940 And if then if their wealth and power is predicated on foreign money and foreign influence, then eventually we can weaken it, weaken it, weaken it and weaken it to the point where eventually we just control it.
00:24:34.520 And then we can take it over, we can formally conquer it, or we can just run it by the nose.
00:24:39.380 Doesn't really matter because they are our tributary state at that point.
00:24:44.380 And this was done through the nobles.
00:24:45.960 It was not done through the people of Poland.
00:24:47.920 And to my mind, we see a very similar situation in the relationship between the West and China today.
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