Jack Posobiec takes a deep dive into the history of the conflict between China and Taiwan and how it got to where it is today, and why it is a potential war between the two countries. Jack also provides a brief history of Taiwan and China, and how they came to be the way they are now.
00:10:13.580And we want to take over all of China.
00:10:18.000So Mao at that point, almost immediately afterwards, retakes and restarts the civil war in China.
00:10:28.060So the civil war in China gets restarted and Mao is now fighting the forces of the nationalists and Chiang Kai-shek that have been completely depleted by having to fight the Japanese throughout all of World War II.
00:10:39.980And interestingly enough, and this is something that's been a huge point of contention for many, many years, people looking back at this say, why was it that Truman's government, when this was taking place, and FDR's government, which saw the early stages of this, and saw all of this going on, by the way,
00:10:59.560and you've got all the declassified diplomatic cables from this time, from the American diplomats who were there, that were seeing the communists reconstitute their strength, rebuild their armies, knew they were going to come for the nationalists, knew they were going to fight for the overthrow.
00:11:12.460And the State Department sending this stuff back from the people in the field, the OSS is sending this back from their people in the field, they were the precursor to the CIA.
00:11:21.640Why didn't Truman at that point, give funding or aid to the nationalists, when he knew that the Soviets and Chairman Mao were poised to take over the country, who allowed China to go red?
00:11:43.740And there's a lot of people who don't like that question.
00:11:45.720There's a lot of people who don't want to open that up because you get accused of McCarthyism and blacklisting and all of this other stuff.
00:11:55.740But there is also a lot of evidence that there are people who, at the time, were at the highest levels of the United States government, or had influence at the highest levels of the United States government, that wanted to see China to fall to the communists, that they wanted it to happen.
00:12:11.220And so, of course, without that support, having been depleted by fighting Japan for so many years, they are easily, Chiang Kai-shek is easily routed by the communists, he is defeated, he is kicked out of Beijing, he is kicked out of entirely all of mainland China.
00:12:29.480And then what happens, the Kuomintang decamps and runs down to Taiwan.
00:12:36.520So the entire former regime of all of China goes and makes their retreat to Taiwan.
00:12:45.220And that's where Chiang Kai-shek establishes himself.
00:12:47.440At that point, although we're going up to 1949 now, Chairman Mao heads back, goes to Beijing, and declares himself the overall leader of China, and declares, of course, the PRC, the CCP is now the head of all China.
00:13:03.040And so at the time, though, Chiang Kai-shek and his forces and his armaments, and the Republic of China, the remnants of that government, have now all fled, along with, by the way, the Treasury, have fled to Taiwan.
00:13:15.620So that's what sets up the stalemate that we're in right now.
00:13:20.940The government of Taiwan does not officially declare themselves to be an independent country, or an independent government just of the island of Taiwan.
00:13:33.320To this day, as I am recording this here in Phoenix, Arizona, the Republic of China is the stated name for the government of Taiwan.
00:13:43.800And they don't declare themselves to only be the government of Taiwan.
00:13:48.060They declare themselves to be the legitimate leader of all of China.
00:13:53.880But because of the insurrection and the revolution of the communists, they were kicked out.
00:13:59.740Interestingly enough, if you go to Taiwan and you see the maps they have hanging up, because at that time, prior to the communist revolution, China, all of Mongolia was not yet independent.
00:14:11.400And so if you look at a map of China in Taiwan, they also declare themselves to be the leaders of Taiwan.
00:14:17.600And so you see that sort of like big hump in the middle of where Mongolia would normally be on on modern maps.
00:14:24.320But in Taiwan, they actually still have that as part of China, because at that time, remember, we're going back to the 1911 borders that Mongolia was still part of China.
00:14:33.160And so this has led to the stalemate that we're in today.
00:14:39.120They declare themselves to be the leaders of all of China, but they have not declared themselves to be an independent state.
00:14:46.180The CCP, on the other hand, does declare them to be part of the People's Republic of China.
00:14:53.700And it says that you are under our authority because we have sovereignty over all of China.
00:14:59.560You are just a band of insurrectionists against our government.
00:15:03.540And it's kind of like, and I've said this to people before, but it's kind of like a situation where imagine if, for example, you had, so look at the American Civil War, right?
00:15:15.820And civil wars tend to have messy endings, right?
00:15:19.220And so this was the end, the result of the end of the Chinese Civil War, the second iteration of it, where you have essentially two countries that are now split because you have two governments.
00:15:28.840So, of course, in the American Civil War, the Confederacy was completely defeated.
00:15:33.540But imagine, if you will, that the Confederacy had, you know, just for purposes of analogy, had continued to exist and they had taken over like Puerto Rico or something, you know, some U.S. territory.
00:15:47.040And they said, now we are the sole legitimate ruler of this.
00:15:50.900We are the legitimate government here.
00:15:52.660And you people up in Washington, D.C., you have no sovereignty over us.
00:15:56.720And they would then and then go on to continue to declare that they also, by the way, are the same government over the entire South, where, of course, the Union would say, no, we are the government over the South.
00:16:06.560And, you know, obviously, they clearly are because that's how the war ended.
00:16:08.660So that's the kind of situation that exists now.
00:16:12.800But I know it's not exactly perfect one to one kind of kind of thing, but just understand, you know, putting their civil war through the context of our civil war.
00:16:21.820It's and when you have these two competing regimes, this is an example of a way to just, you know, to kind of try to explain it for people who have no idea what the difference is.
00:16:30.980But so the question that becomes, what is the United States's policy towards this?
00:16:37.640And so what the United States has done over the years has been called or been dubbed the one China policy.
00:16:46.520And they say so the United States generally plays this diplomatic game of saying, you know, they did switch recognition under Jimmy Carter, under President Carter.
00:16:55.160They switched recognition from the leadership in Taiwan, which they had been held all the way up until the 1970s.
00:17:01.880Even when Nixon did his meetings with Zhou Enlai, the Emanons greets, when they did his meetings with Chairman Mao, Kissinger went over there and did this as well.
00:17:10.260They didn't actually recognize officially the CCP as the rulers of China.
00:17:16.480And this went on for about 30 years, all the way up until President Carter.
00:17:20.720President Carter switches diplomatic representation.
00:17:23.200What this also then does is trigger the switching of the seat on the United Nations Security Council from being controlled by the Republic of China, Taiwan, to the CCP.
00:17:35.420And it allows the CCP to have a powerful, extremely powerful seat on the United Nations Security Council.
00:17:44.660But what the United States has done, right, to this point is now declare a status quo kind of thing where they say, well, we believe in the one child policy.
00:17:55.540Well, that Taiwan and China are part of the same country.
00:17:57.820But they never quite say what country that is.
00:18:00.600Well, is that the People's Republic or is that the Republic?
00:18:03.560And, you know, you go back to the 1960s.
00:18:05.340I mean, you can see pictures of President Dwight Eisenhower, you know, riding along with Chiang Kai-shek in Taipei, right, during this time.
00:18:13.860You can see Taiwan still receiving military funding from the United States and military material from the United States.
00:18:22.120Even though there is no directly direct recognition of the government of Taiwan, there's all these sort of indirect high level ties.
00:18:34.080But, again, they play these sort of diplomatic games with it.
00:18:37.840So this has led to a very interesting question.
00:18:42.580Should Taiwan then, in this situation, declare itself to be an independent country?
00:18:49.440And the CCP has been very clear about this.
00:18:51.600They then would take that as an act of aggression.
00:18:54.460So if they declared themselves, if they essentially they dropped the claim, right, so then they'd have to drop the claim that their legitimate government of all of China essentially concede that the CCP took over and won the war, which, you know, I mean, they did because they didn't get this.
00:19:10.580They had support from the Soviets and the nationalists did not have the support of the United States in the Western world.
00:19:18.240They take over everything except for Taiwan.
00:19:20.500So then Taiwan would become its own independent country.
00:19:23.280Mainland China has said, we will take that as an act of aggression and declaration of war.
00:19:30.980And they would use that as the ability and the pretext to then go invade.
00:19:35.420But or in their, you know, precepts, they would say there's an insurrectionist government that has taken over this rogue province and we are going now to bring them back into the fold.
00:19:44.740Versus the other option, you know, obviously would be, you know, if you have your, your, your real patriotic, you know, kind of restorationist view on anywhere that you would say, well, if the CCP were ever to fall, then there is a government.
00:20:05.020That could exist that could retake power over all of China and the Lao Baixing and the Chinese house Christians and the Uyghurs and concentration camps, the Tibetans, the Falun Gong, the dissidents, the freedom fighters of Hong Kong would then be placed under or really restored to the democratic Republic of China.
00:20:30.920Which of course, through Taiwan has actually evolved into a functional democracy and they do actually declare their leader to be the president of the Republic of China.
00:20:42.180But of course they claim, and Irene Manzai is the current president and they again declare her to be the president of all of China.
00:21:04.060I think that the people of the United States would prefer to stand with the country that has fought for freedom, that has continued to stand for freedom in Asia, and that would be Taiwan.
00:21:16.420And stand with the Republic of China and hope that the Republic of China would eventually take over all of mainland China.
00:21:23.860However, the leaders of the United States, the ones who have been bought and sold, and we've seen the family ties, we've seen the extensive family financial ties through our government leaders, our academic leaders, of course, our business leaders, right?
00:21:41.400Our entertainment leaders are all in bed with the CCP.
00:21:45.380So I think you would actually see a situation where the people of America would say, hey, we stand with Taiwan, but the leaders of America say, you know, you know, I don't know, maybe the CCP isn't so bad, maybe we should go with them.
00:22:03.840And if you think I'm just saying that, that's literally what the head of the Olympic Committee just stated when they asked why China is being given the 22 Olympics, even after everything they've done with the Uyghurs, even after everything they've done on and on and on with essentially what's a genocide, which amounts to ethnic and cultural genocide in Tibet and in Xinjiang.
00:22:28.160And they said, well, you know, the Olympics are, they're bigger than any one government, so it doesn't really matter who's getting it.
00:22:33.800And the CCP, oh, they're not that bad, right, is the head of the Olympics saying this.
00:22:37.680So understand the situation we're in, ladies and gentlemen.
00:22:40.440We're in a situation now where because of deep, deep financial ties of our leaders, their class, their leadership class, which has outsourced the jobs, outsourced the manufacturing of the deplorables to China and other parts of the world.
00:22:55.800So their wealth is not derived from the United States.
00:23:01.100Their wealth is derived from their ties with China.
00:23:06.540And so if their wealth is derived from their ties with China, then are they going to act in the interests of the United States or are they going to act in the interests of China?
00:23:16.540You know, I've been reading and I mentioned this the other day on the podcast that I've been reading this book about the partitions of Poland because Poland, you know, prior to 1795 was this massive state all throughout the 1700s called the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth.
00:23:32.920This huge, sprawling grouping of various regions together between Poland, Lithuania and Ruthenia, which is now known as Western Ukraine, was all together in and the Baltic states, of course, with Lithuania were all together under this.
00:23:50.960And it was a huge bulwark state in between Russia and Germany.
00:23:57.300And so the question was, what happened to that state?
00:24:00.800Why didn't that state still exist anymore?
00:24:03.000This was an incredibly powerful state.
00:24:21.940And if then if their wealth and power is predicated on foreign money and foreign influence, then eventually we can weaken it, weaken it, weaken it and weaken it to the point where eventually we just control it.
00:24:34.520And then we can take it over, we can formally conquer it, or we can just run it by the nose.
00:24:39.380Doesn't really matter because they are our tributary state at that point.