Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Import The 3rd World, Become The 3rd World

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

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00:00:49.920 Christ is king.

00:00:50.940 Look, we just ended a war in 12 days that was simmering for 30 years.

00:00:55.100 We ended Rwanda and the Congo. 0.99

00:00:57.120 They're coming to sign the documents.

00:00:58.740 We ended, uh, Serbia was gonna go at it. 0.93

00:01:01.640 But maybe the most important of all, India and Pakistan.

00:01:06.920 And that wasn't whether or not they may someday have nukes, like we're talking about in the Middle East,

00:01:13.280 like we're talking about with Israel and Iran.

00:01:17.140 This is the half-nuclear weapons.

00:01:19.540 I ended that with a series of phone calls on trade.

00:01:22.800 The Supreme Court has ruled the Trump administration can deport migrants to countries other than their own.

00:01:28.280 It's the latest ruling in favor of the president's push for mass deportations.

00:01:32.760 Zoran Mamdani coming out on top over a career politician.

00:01:37.580 Governor Andrew Cuomo conceding last night.

00:01:40.760 Tonight, we made history.

00:01:43.680 In the words of Nelson Mandela,

00:01:47.980 it always seems impossible until it is done.

00:01:56.580 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily here live, Washington, D.C.

00:02:03.480 It's another hot day, a scorcher in Washington, D.C.

00:02:07.280 Today is June 25th, 2025, Anno Domini.

00:02:11.380 Folks, I've got a new piece up at humanevents.com,

00:02:15.100 and I highly encourage everyone to go and check that out.

00:02:18.220 We're going to be going through this right now.

00:02:19.980 It's an op-ed.

00:02:21.300 This is white hot.

00:02:23.080 And this is actually an issue that directly affects every single American citizen.

00:02:30.260 I'm going to explain why through this.

00:02:32.080 But today's op-ed is 24 years after 9-11,

00:02:38.380 a radical Muslim mayor may be elected to New York City,

00:02:43.820 and it's thanks to mass immigration. 0.85

00:02:48.120 Mass immigration.

00:02:49.480 New York City.

00:02:50.840 Heartbeat of America.

00:02:53.320 Last night, it witnessed a seismic shift that should send a wake-up call to everyone in America.

00:02:58.440 Last night, Zoran Mamdani, a foreign-born Muslim cultural Marxist,

00:03:06.460 clinched the Democratic primary for mayor setting the stage

00:03:09.620 for what could be a radical transformation of the city we once knew,

00:03:13.900 a city that was at one point synonymous with America.

00:03:17.400 And it's not just happening in New York.

00:03:18.740 It's happening all over the country.

00:03:21.680 Our demographics are shifting as we import more and more of the third world. 1.00

00:03:27.540 And as we import more of the third world, we become more of the third world. 0.99

00:03:32.880 It's not just policies.

00:03:34.540 Understand.

00:03:35.400 It's the people who believe in those policies being increased here,

00:03:40.040 and that number increasing their support levels.

00:03:44.080 And you see this across government.

00:03:46.040 Ilhan Omar, Alejandro Mayorkas, Tanya Chutkin, Ahmet Mehta, right?

00:03:51.880 Alejandro Mayorkas, the guy who oversaw this massive border invasion,

00:03:58.340 was himself a foreign-born politician.

00:04:01.740 I want to bring on now Libby Emmons, the editor-in-chief of the Postmillennial and HumanEvents.com,

00:04:06.660 herself a New Yorker, I should say former New Yorker.

00:04:09.440 Libby, we're going to the break here for a minute,

00:04:11.360 but can I just get your quick reaction to all of this?

00:04:14.620 Yeah, I'm absolutely horrified that the people of New York would go so far as to elect a communist

00:04:20.400 who plans to completely destroy the city by depleting the tax base

00:04:24.920 and getting rid of all of the things that make the city worthwhile.

00:04:29.000 It's absolutely crazy to me.

00:04:30.380 The working class, people who make under $50,000, they voted for Cuomo.

00:04:34.440 And the people who can afford to sit on their laptops and have everything delivered to them

00:04:39.080 and don't have to take the subways, they voted for Mamdani.

00:04:43.680 Mamdani, it was queer liberation, defund the police, free food, free stuff everywhere.

00:04:54.300 That's what these people voted for.

00:04:56.700 And you're right in the sense that you have this mass,

00:05:01.200 I saw 80-20 in terms of South Asian immigrants, the South Asian community voting for Mamdani.

00:05:07.820 But you also saw Hispanics and Blacks voting against Mamdani, as well as working class whites.

00:05:15.000 And so suddenly people are realizing, wait a minute,

00:05:17.420 this is an ethnic shift that's playing out in a class shift in terms of the politics.

00:05:23.720 We're going to break down more Libby Emmons when we return.

00:05:26.600 What America First truly means.

00:05:28.740 Welcome to the second American revolution.

00:05:33.100 All right, Jack Posobiec, here we are back live, Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C.

00:05:42.720 We're on with Libby Emmons, and we're talking about this victory, which has come as a shock to many.

00:05:48.960 But for those of us who have been focused on the mass immigration and the mass migration tactics of the left

00:05:55.600 over the last 15 to 20 years, it doesn't come as a shock at all.

00:06:00.580 If you look at New York City and the New York City metro area's demographic shift,

00:06:05.540 the skyrocketing numbers of South Asians, Middle Easterners,

00:06:09.980 now representing over a million in this area,

00:06:13.140 it doesn't come as a shock at all that the recent immigrants are voting for one of their own,

00:06:18.220 that there are progressive, college-educated liberals who are joining them,

00:06:22.100 and Gen Z who are totally going on board with this as well.

00:06:26.780 And what you do see are ethnic whites, working-class whites,

00:06:30.620 as well as Hispanics and Blacks voting against Mamdani and Libby.

00:06:36.800 I think a lot of this is being driven by some of it is, a lot of it, of course, is immigration.

00:06:42.340 It can't be talked about the effect of immigration on all of our politics nationwide.

00:06:46.860 But what we're also seeing here is that it's a class shift that's playing out.

00:06:51.200 Isn't that right?

00:06:52.740 Yes, that's 100% true.

00:06:54.560 I lived in Bay Ridge for about 10 years,

00:06:56.480 which is a section of Brooklyn that is historically an immigrant community.

00:07:00.220 It was Norwegian, it was Greek, it was Italian, it was Chinese.

00:07:03.540 Now it's primarily Arab.

00:07:05.140 And the biggest difference, I think, between previous groups of immigrants

00:07:09.260 and the current groups of immigrants is that the previous groups of immigrants

00:07:12.000 were interested in assimilating.

00:07:13.440 When my great-grandparents came here from Naples and from Sicily and also from Norway,

00:07:18.280 they were interested in becoming American.

00:07:20.060 You could not say a word against America to them and have them be quiet about it.

00:07:25.040 There was absolutely no way.

00:07:26.720 My great-grandmother taught herself to read by reading the New York Times in the 1920s,

00:07:30.440 not by watching TikTok and hearing about how Osama bin Laden is the greatest guy ever. 0.95

00:07:35.220 I mean, it's just a totally different kind of cultural immersion that they're getting now.

00:07:39.880 People are coming to this country and they're hearing that America sucks and that has got to stop. 0.96

00:07:44.940 That's absolutely insane. 0.96

00:07:46.840 When you had immigration during the height of Ellis Island, 0.85

00:07:50.300 you had, I think, 12 million people over 60 years come in.

00:07:54.000 That's 200,000 people a year and that's legal immigration.

00:07:57.180 Under Joe Biden, we had 200,000 illegal immigrants coming in every month.

00:08:01.920 And what you have here is a situation where the wealthy people in New York City,

00:08:05.400 the laptop class, the people who get delivery, the people who can afford to take taxis,

00:08:09.640 primarily Asians and whites, they were voting for Mom Donnie.

00:08:13.180 When you had essentially Blacks and Hispanics and people who had been in the city for a long time 0.63

00:08:19.320 and are working class people saying, no, please don't make the city worse.

00:08:23.560 And what everyone forgets is that once you start voting in communist policies,

00:08:27.040 you can't vote them out.

00:08:28.640 Look at a lot of the communist policies that came into the U.S., like the ACA, for example.

00:08:32.720 There is no way to get Obamacare out at this point,

00:08:35.580 despite how poorly it has really done or the welfare state or any of these things.

00:08:40.660 And you look at Mom Donnie and he is one of these laptop class people. 0.96

00:08:44.120 He went to a liberal arts college, went to Bowdoin.

00:08:46.460 His dad teaches anti-colonialism at Columbia University.

00:08:50.780 He absolutely is not representative of the people of New York.

00:08:54.100 He's representative of luxury values that have absolutely no place in reality.

00:08:58.800 And the things that he wants to do to the city, he plans to do, as you said before,

00:09:02.820 free buses, free child care, city-run grocery stores.

00:09:06.820 He wants to replace the subway patrols with community policing.

00:09:11.500 He wants all this health care stuff for illegal immigrants. 0.75

00:09:14.800 And he also wants to take over vacant commercial spaces and turn them into health clinics.

00:09:21.600 And he is opposed to the Trump administration entirely.

00:09:24.940 He wants to create a legal fund, a la California and Gavin Newsom,

00:09:28.540 to fight Trump, to fight ICE, and all of this other stuff.

00:09:31.960 And how is he planning to do it?

00:09:33.160 He wants to take a page from Joe Biden's book and tax the 1%.

00:09:37.160 He wants to tax the millionaires and the corporations that are making lots of money.

00:09:43.680 But the only problem is, as I looked up this morning,

00:09:46.340 there are 345,000 millionaires in the city of New York.

00:09:49.560 Now, that may seem like a lot of people, but you have to remember that the population

00:09:53.320 is something like 8.5.

00:09:55.220 And you also have to remember that during COVID, 400,000 people, I think, left New York City.

00:10:01.980 Does he really think that 345,000 people aren't capable of picking up,

00:10:06.860 taking their money bags, and getting out?

00:10:08.700 And then what happens?

00:10:09.560 The whole thing collapses.

00:10:10.500 It is complete and utter destruction of one of the greatest cities,

00:10:20.240 probably the greatest city in American history, New York City.

00:10:24.880 Well, I say this as a guy from the Philly area, so I always have to, you know,

00:10:29.100 it pains me.

00:10:29.160 You got a caveat of it a little bit.

00:10:30.620 It pains me.

00:10:31.640 And even though Philadelphia is, of course, America's most historic city.

00:10:33.500 And they're ruining that too.

00:10:35.580 Philly is a great city.

00:10:37.600 We know that, of course, New York City is or was the new Rome.

00:10:44.140 And in the same way that Rome was overrun, well, it seems as though New York City is being overrun

00:10:51.980 as well, as America seems totally focused on things going on far beyond our borders

00:10:57.980 and totally ignorant of the things that are happening domestically.

00:11:03.120 Or at least they are if you listen to the mainstream media narrative on all of this.

00:11:09.660 Libby, one final minute from you.

00:11:12.580 Do you think New York still has the wherewithal to reject this?

00:11:17.240 Yes, I do.

00:11:18.220 The general mayoral election is in November.

00:11:20.980 And the current mayor, Eric Adams, is running out of the independent ticket.

00:11:25.000 So, you know, people should probably go out and vote for the mayor because he is much less bad

00:11:30.360 than what we've got going on with Mom Donnie.

00:11:33.060 And Mayor Adams is willing to work with ICE.

00:11:35.500 He's willing to clean up the situation with illegal immigration. 0.74

00:11:38.580 He's willing to clean up the crime.

00:11:40.000 He's working on subways, all of that stuff.

00:11:42.160 And Mom Donnie is just going to destroy it all. 1.00

00:11:44.320 You also have Curtis Lewa, who is running.

00:11:46.700 This is, I think, his second time running for mayor.

00:11:48.780 He's running on the GOP ticket.

00:11:50.540 And last night he ran uncontested.

00:11:52.220 And I would entreat, I would implore, rather, the GOP to not abandon New York City.

00:11:58.440 New York City's two best mayors in the modern memory were Rudy Giuliani, who, of course,

00:12:04.280 was a Republican and also Michael Bloomberg, who ran as a Republican when he first took

00:12:08.480 office, despite his weird soda tax thing.

00:12:10.940 So I would ask the GOP, respectfully, to get back into New York City, fund some candidates

00:12:17.760 and get that city back on track, because the city works best with conservative local leadership.

00:12:22.540 Well, I'll certainly always say that I definitely think that Bloomberg did the right thing when

00:12:27.600 it came to police.

00:12:28.680 Libby, it's humanevents.com and thepostmillennial.com.

00:12:32.320 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:12:33.780 Thanks.

00:12:35.120 All right.

00:12:35.660 I want to bring on now as well, we've got Sean Davis, the CEO and co-founder of The Federalist,

00:12:42.560 joining us.

00:12:43.320 Sean, let me ask you, you know, having obviously written about these issues for a long time,

00:12:48.060 does the New York City mayoral primary actually surprise you?

00:12:54.000 It does surprise me.

00:12:55.900 It disappoints me a lot.

00:12:57.940 I was having a conversation with a colleague this morning, and, you know, there's a little

00:13:02.040 bit of debate on the right, you know, should we be cheering what appears to be the impending

00:13:06.380 demise of New York City with this candidate coming in, or should we be lamenting it?

00:13:12.620 And I'm kind of of both minds on it.

00:13:15.360 You know, a part of it is when you see these leftist policies and these leftist voters,

00:13:20.320 you kind of want to tell them, you've sown and now you're going to reap.

00:13:24.800 And you can kind of pat yourself on the back and get a certain amount of satisfaction about

00:13:28.800 that.

00:13:29.400 But like you said in the earlier segment, New York City is the crown jewel of America.

00:13:34.360 It's the symbol of the American empire.

00:13:36.720 It's the greatest city that America ever created.

00:13:40.040 And to see it go in this direction, you know, nations follow the trajectory of their great

00:13:46.240 cities.

00:13:46.780 So when you see what's happened to Detroit, what's happened to Chicago, what's happened

00:13:50.620 to New Orleans, what happened to Philly and Baltimore, and then you see it now happening

00:13:54.800 to New York, I think it is a moment for like sadness and grief.

00:14:00.640 I don't think it's good.

00:14:01.460 And I hope the people of New York understand this.

00:14:04.940 And, you know, maybe it's going to take some really bad government happening and even more

00:14:09.580 chaos and crime for them to realize.

00:14:11.560 But I lament the loss of New York City.

00:14:14.000 I want it to be saved.

00:14:15.340 I want it to be a great city once again, because you can't be a great country without great cities.

00:14:21.980 No, you can't.

00:14:23.200 You really can't.

00:14:24.040 And that's something where, you know, I've been to different parts of the world and people

00:14:28.840 go to Japan, right?

00:14:30.060 People go to Japan and it's become a meme at this point.

00:14:32.340 They go and they say, wow, look at all the cities and Tokyo and it's so nice and all of

00:14:36.540 these areas.

00:14:37.100 You know why?

00:14:38.080 Because they actually take care of their crime. 0.97

00:14:40.060 They actually don't put up with any of the crap that goes on out there. 0.88

00:14:43.800 They clean it up. 0.96

00:14:44.840 They're patriotic.

00:14:45.700 They're nationalistic.

00:14:46.780 They want to actually put their best face forward.

00:14:51.340 And if you break the law, they actually punish you.

00:14:54.160 What a concept.

00:14:55.460 They don't go all in for these crazy ideas.

00:14:58.240 And what do they also not have in Japan? 0.60

00:15:00.060 Mass immigration because they keep the country full of people who love their country. 0.84

00:15:05.180 It can be done and it will be done here in the United States of America.

00:15:09.240 Quick break.

00:15:09.840 Right back.

00:15:10.600 Jack Posovic.

00:15:11.400 Real America's Voice with Sean Davis.

00:15:13.100 Today, you know, they talk about influencers.

00:15:21.360 These are influencers.

00:15:23.220 And they're friends of mine.

00:15:25.620 Jack Posovic.

00:15:27.100 Where's Jack?

00:15:28.080 Jack.

00:15:29.100 He's done a great job.

00:15:31.220 All right, Jack Posovic.

00:15:34.440 Here we are back.

00:15:35.080 Live human events.

00:15:37.080 Daily Washington, D.C.

00:15:38.880 We're on with CEO and co-founder of The Federalist, Sean Davis.

00:15:43.400 Sean, we're talking about these New York City results.

00:15:46.840 And they come as a shock.

00:15:48.260 But a lot of people are pointing out that, you know, it may not be a surprise or it may

00:15:52.460 not be as unexpected as people were thinking because this has been the warning of a lot

00:15:59.000 of people who, let's just say it faced a lot of crap for talking about the impacts of mass

00:16:04.460 immigration and saying, look, it's really simple that when you import people from parts

00:16:09.860 of the world that don't have this Jeffersonian idea of a republic and the constitution and what

00:16:16.920 the social contract is and all of these different ideals and instead look at government

00:16:22.160 as simply a way to redistribute resources, then that's eventually what you're going to get

00:16:29.480 in terms of your own politicians.

00:16:32.260 And it shouldn't really surprise us when one of their own is elected or in this case at least

00:16:37.160 nominated as the leader of a major area, in this case, New York City, not only our greatest

00:16:43.940 city, but in a sense, economically speaking, far above, you know, it's almost like a governor

00:16:49.780 in a sense and a very important one as well.

00:16:53.240 So, Sean, what are some of the ways that Americans should be thinking about this?

00:16:59.300 And when we talk about this immigration issue, I mean, I'm just going to say it.

00:17:03.480 I think the most important thing is to admit it, right?

00:17:05.560 We, it's like, it's like, it's like we're addicted to, uh, we're, you know, we're addicted

00:17:09.760 to cheap labor and the Democrats are addicted to cheap, uh, you know, cheap votes.

00:17:14.140 So the first step is admitting you have a problem.

00:17:17.820 It is.

00:17:18.540 And I think this is a wake up call for a lot of people and it shows what a lie, uh, so much

00:17:24.900 of the propaganda surrounding mass immigration was.

00:17:28.040 And it's, it's been that way for 30, 40, 50 years.

00:17:30.400 This isn't something that happens overnight.

00:17:32.520 Uh, we were told that mass immigration made America richer, culturally more healthy.

00:17:39.220 Um, it was better for everyone.

00:17:40.740 And what we're finding out is that actually mass immigration, especially when it includes

00:17:44.880 people from countries and cultures, uh, with beliefs that are really antithetical to our 0.94

00:17:50.920 way of life, it makes assimilation impossible.

00:17:53.960 So rather than bringing in people who can become great Americans, we're allowing to come in 1.00

00:17:59.540 people who really don't like America.

00:18:02.180 They don't like what we stand for.

00:18:03.580 They want to deconstruct it and tear it down.

00:18:06.080 And, you know, it's, it's showing what a problem that is when you treat a country, uh,

00:18:11.360 as if it's just an international Costco, anyone can be a member.

00:18:15.600 You just got to come in, get all the cheap stuff you want, leave whenever you like.

00:18:18.980 And that's the sole extent of your obligation.

00:18:20.820 That's a total lie in America is not a business park.

00:18:24.740 It's not a warehouse store.

00:18:26.200 It's not an economic zone.

00:18:27.800 And as soon as you, you adopt this lie that it is that as soon as you adopt the lie that

00:18:33.300 America is not a unique culture, uh, with its own language, with its own history and traditions.

00:18:38.520 If you reject that, you are rejecting the entire purpose of America.

00:18:43.100 And you shouldn't be surprised when people who come in who don't believe in America or ideals

00:18:47.940 begin to radically transform it deliberately as soon as they get here.

00:18:51.980 And this is what so many people have been warning about.

00:18:56.840 I totally love that line, international Costco, by the way, that it's, it's, it's, you know,

00:19:02.000 we're not just a place that's completely defined by our GDP.

00:19:05.660 And, you know, one of my favorite moments of, and I think it's not talked about as much,

00:19:11.440 my favorite moments of all of 2024 was J.D. Vance and his, not his nomination speech at

00:19:18.860 the RNC, where he talked about his family.

00:19:22.200 He talked about the grave on the hillside that his family has this, this plot in Kentucky

00:19:27.940 where his ancestors are buried, where, and where one day he too knows that he himself will

00:19:34.340 be buried.

00:19:35.720 That means something that means, and then his whole family came out on stage around his

00:19:40.460 extended cousins and have his mom and everyone come out.

00:19:43.060 And that, that means something.

00:19:44.420 And that means something to, I think, a group of people that really has gotten the raw end

00:19:48.920 of the deal and has been totally overlooked for so many years prior to Trump and Vance

00:19:55.020 getting back in the office.

00:19:56.260 Last minute before we have to go to you, Sean Davis.

00:20:00.040 Yeah.

00:20:00.600 You know, my family's been here 400 years.

00:20:02.980 Um, uh, America is not just a place where we go shop.

00:20:06.740 It's in our blood and it's in our bones and it's in every fiber of our being.

00:20:10.480 I very much want other people to be able to experience that same thing.

00:20:14.440 But the reality is that having a card that says you're a citizen, it may entitle you to

00:20:19.780 the, to the same rights and privileges, but there is a real difference between someone

00:20:24.420 who is an American and understands and love this culture and her people and our land and

00:20:29.180 someone who just has a piece of paper.

00:20:30.840 And I wish we would get back to understanding and inculcating in people that America is

00:20:36.700 not just a piece of paper.

00:20:38.400 America is the greatest civilization in history and it's something to be preserved and loved.

00:20:43.840 And as soon as we get back to that, we can actually get back to restoring America.

00:20:47.620 And if we don't get back to that, America is just going to continue to decline.

00:20:51.100 Having a country that people care about and a country that people actually feel, literally

00:20:59.640 feel that connection to Sean, where can people go to follow you and everything you're putting

00:21:03.160 up?

00:21:06.320 I may have lost him folks.

00:21:07.780 Go follow Sean Davis.

00:21:09.480 And of course, check out the federal list on line.

00:21:13.340 I'll be right back.

00:21:14.060 Jack Tobik, Human Events Daily, Real American Report.

00:21:22.320 And Jack, where is Jack?

00:21:25.300 Where is Jack?

00:21:27.600 Where is he?

00:21:28.880 Jack, I want to see you.

00:21:32.520 Great job, Jack.

00:21:33.940 Thank you.

00:21:34.680 What a job you do.

00:21:36.140 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:21:37.320 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the

00:21:41.980 guys who should be getting policemen.

00:21:45.560 All right, Jack, here we are back live, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.

00:21:51.460 We are here in Washington, D.C., and we are once again honored to have on the program Senator

00:21:59.100 Mike Lee from the great state of Utah.

00:22:01.660 Senator, thank you for joining us.

00:22:03.640 Thank you, Jack.

00:22:04.160 Good to be with you.

00:22:05.800 Thank you, Senator.

00:22:06.580 Now, Senator, all of last week, there was this raging debate online on X.

00:22:12.680 I'm there all the time.

00:22:14.240 You're there all the time.

00:22:15.480 But I noticed that while I was focused, you know, very much so on Iran and these military

00:22:20.440 strikes and what was going to come left and regime change and all this other stuff, you

00:22:24.560 were embroiled in a totally separate conversation that I'll admit I wasn't able to plug in as

00:22:31.920 much on that given everything that was going on during, I guess we're calling it the 12-day

00:22:35.940 war now.

00:22:36.660 And so I wanted to redirect my attention to this now.

00:22:42.320 And we wanted to bring you on because I had so many people reaching out to me saying, so

00:22:45.720 many of our viewers and listeners saying, you got to get the senator on.

00:22:48.820 You got to talk about this public lands bill.

00:22:51.200 I understand the bill as of right now has been essentially taken off the shelf or I should

00:22:56.880 say put back on the shelf because of the parliamentarian and the reconciliation.

00:23:01.020 But the debate is still ongoing.

00:23:03.140 So I wanted to bring you on to give us your side of it as well as sort of an overall view

00:23:08.980 of how this got started and then where it stands now.

00:23:11.760 Thanks so much, Jack.

00:23:14.540 And thanks for letting me talk about this.

00:23:15.940 The debate is ongoing, by the way, in part because the parliamentarian is revisiting the

00:23:21.980 issue today in light of some new information that she didn't have and some new language

00:23:26.280 that we've added.

00:23:26.980 But let me summarize the problem that we're addressing here and then I'll describe the

00:23:30.660 solution.

00:23:31.040 There's a nationwide shortage that some estimate to be about 7 million homes.

00:23:37.220 It's not acceptable in America.

00:23:39.740 Americans deserve the chance to be able to buy a home and they need land to do so. 0.99

00:23:44.580 Now, coincidentally, the U.S. government happens to own about 640 million acres, nearly a third

00:23:53.120 between a fourth and a third of all the land in the United States, most of which goes unused

00:23:58.680 and is often mismanaged badly by the government.

00:24:03.280 There are a number of pieces of that land, that portfolio of real estate that has zero

00:24:12.100 recreational value.

00:24:13.500 It doesn't have significant conservation value, value for hunting, fishing, grazing, hiking,

00:24:19.980 and so forth.

00:24:20.620 And for that specific land and the land I'm talking about here, think vacant lots next to

00:24:25.800 existing residential developments, not national parks.

00:24:29.120 In fact, you can't even have it considered for sale under these provisions if you fit

00:24:37.860 into any of the 15 or so categories of protected federal land from national monuments, national

00:24:44.040 forest, wilderness areas, national recreation areas, wild and scenic rivers, trails, conservation

00:24:50.180 areas, and so forth.

00:24:52.360 So what's the solution?

00:24:53.160 The solution involves allowing the U.S. government to sell off a limited number of these parcels

00:24:58.060 of land at an affordable price to allow people to build homes with preference toward single

00:25:05.000 family homes.

00:25:06.880 And this has all kinds of protections in it that make sure that we're not selling off the

00:25:12.220 crown jewels, nothing in any protected status.

00:25:15.760 Again, think vacant lots next to existing residential neighborhoods, and that's what we're talking

00:25:20.900 about.

00:25:21.900 There has been associated with this effort a lot of attempts to provide misinformation.

00:25:29.800 There have been maps that have been put out there that are badly misleading about what

00:25:33.460 this bill actually does, suggesting that it would sell all the land listed on a map.

00:25:38.420 The maps aren't authentic.

00:25:39.800 They're not legitimate.

00:25:40.800 Why?

00:25:41.800 And in the process, there are criteria.

00:25:43.740 It's impossible to come up with a map that describes what is going to be sold, what could

00:25:47.820 be sold under it.

00:25:49.860 There's no way of communicating that accurately.

00:25:52.180 There are instead criteria and a number of processes that people would have to follow.

00:25:56.840 I would note also that a lot of the housing shortage that we're trying to address exists

00:26:01.120 in the Western United States.

00:26:02.700 Remember, the U.S. government owns less than 15% of every state to the east of Colorado.

00:26:09.920 From Colorado's eastern slope to the west, the U.S. government owns at least 15% of the

00:26:15.520 land of every state.

00:26:16.380 In most cases, it's a lot more than that.

00:26:18.540 In my state, it's more like two-thirds of the land that's owned by the U.S. government.

00:26:23.360 That's where a lot of our housing shortages tend to be the most acute.

00:26:26.800 And that's where we have a lot of existing residential neighborhoods where there are vacant

00:26:32.440 federal lots right next door in places people already live next to utility hookups where

00:26:38.180 people could buy homes.

00:26:39.540 We should allow that and do so understanding that we would cap this at no more than a fraction

00:26:46.220 of 1%.

00:26:47.120 Less than one-half of 1% of federal land could even be considered for this.

00:26:53.620 One, Senator, I did actually pull.

00:26:55.460 I was doing a little bit of research.

00:26:57.420 I try to do my job around here because actual journalists don't do any work.

00:27:01.160 So in Nevada, that's the largest one.

00:27:03.520 I think people have heard about this before.

00:27:05.160 It's something a lot of conservatives have talked about for years.

00:27:07.720 80% is owned by the federal government.

00:27:11.600 You mentioned Utah, your state.

00:27:13.680 Yes, 63%, the two-thirds.

00:27:15.840 Idaho, 61%.

00:27:17.160 Alaska, 62%.

00:27:18.600 President Trump has talked about drilling in Alaska, ANWR, for a long, long time.

00:27:24.380 I've been to ANWR, by the way, something that a lot of people can say.

00:27:28.380 I actually had the opportunity to go there.

00:27:30.140 It is not a national park.

00:27:32.880 It is not a place where it is very – it's muddy, it's oily, which makes sense because

00:27:38.520 there's – why do you want to drill there?

00:27:39.940 Because there's so much oil.

00:27:40.860 And so – and the wildlife is very, very sparse.

00:27:45.820 And so, Senator, what would be, I suppose, your response to some of the claims that I've

00:27:51.680 seen out there where people are saying that, well, hold on a second, isn't this just a

00:27:56.340 backdoor way for BlackRock and Blackstone and the World Economic Forum type organizations

00:28:04.060 to come in and buy up all this land and then rent it back to people, you know, if they

00:28:09.540 can't afford it, to, you know, mass, you know, mass ownership from private equity and

00:28:15.660 then get to that WEF slogan of you'll own nothing and you'll be happy.

00:28:20.900 Are there provisions that would prevent things like that from happening?

00:28:25.220 Is that separate from what's going on here?

00:28:27.620 What do you say to those folks?

00:28:28.520 Yeah, it's one of the most commonly raised arguments, one being that entities like BlackRock

00:28:34.100 will buy up all this land and another being that the Chinese Communist Party and business

00:28:40.960 enterprises associated with it or owned by it will gobble all this up.

00:28:46.360 We're working on solutions right now to make sure that that never happens.

00:28:49.040 I don't believe that it would happen under the language.

00:28:52.340 We're also working on additional solutions to make sure that it doesn't happen, that it

00:28:56.500 can't happen.

00:28:57.220 And there are all kinds of existing protections in existing law, some state law, some federal

00:29:02.540 that would discourage that.

00:29:04.560 We're going to even go even further than that to make sure that people understand this is

00:29:08.780 not going to be a boondoggle for anyone.

00:29:11.340 It's not going to be an opportunity for anyone other than individual families who want a place

00:29:15.860 to live.

00:29:16.480 We're going to keep out CCP ownership and we're going to keep out BlackRock ownership, large

00:29:20.940 institutional acquisition.

00:29:22.200 And so what would you say then, I guess, just one of the, I'm actually reading some of the

00:29:28.680 comments as they come in.

00:29:30.060 What would you say to the hunter in Idaho who grew up hunting on this land and is worried

00:29:35.940 that his land might qualify for one of these sales?

00:29:38.840 If you're hunting on land, if you've got any activity like that, hunting, grazing, fishing,

00:29:46.160 this land isn't going to be appropriate.

00:29:48.980 It's not going to be deemed suitable for housing.

00:29:51.960 And in all probability, in fact, with a virtual certainty, if there's land on which you've hunted,

00:29:57.500 that it's not going to be adjacent to existing residential developments, nor will it be suitable

00:30:03.800 for housing.

00:30:04.460 So that's, this is not going to be part of that, but you can always identify some theoretical

00:30:09.000 basis on which bad decisions could be made under any piece of legislation, but you can't

00:30:15.300 just go throwing that around without looking at what the law actually says and what looking

00:30:19.940 at what the proposed legislative text that's before the Senate parliamentarian right now being

00:30:25.880 reviewed actually says.

00:30:27.480 When you read the text and understand the existing law behind that, these things are

00:30:33.860 not legitimate concerns.

00:30:35.260 Many of the people, not all of them, but many of the people making these arguments are the

00:30:40.580 same people who, when pushed, will push back on any effort to reduce the federal land footprint

00:30:47.360 by even one hundredth of one percent or even an acre.

00:30:51.320 They're absolutists in this regard, and that's folly to assume that a U.S. government that

00:30:58.280 owns between a fourth and a third of all landmass in the United States cannot shed even a single

00:31:04.540 lot or two to allow hardworking Americans, families, to build their family home.

00:31:10.460 And, you know, this is something that I've been considering as well.

00:31:17.600 You know, I've spent a lot of time out there either just traveling or, you know, for various

00:31:22.140 military trainings that I've done, and there's huge swaths of the West that are, really, they're

00:31:28.880 just not, you know, we're not talking about the national parks, but it's just huge swaths

00:31:33.940 of kind of nothing, where there's just really nothing there.

00:31:36.840 And, you know, call me whatever you want for saying that, but it's just true, where

00:31:40.960 it could be put, it seems like it could be put to better use.

00:31:45.580 And it seems as though there are ways that this could be used.

00:31:49.420 And I've done hours and hours driving, you know, through this area for various things.

00:31:55.880 And so when it comes down to this, you know, I think you do hear a lot of people, and it

00:32:00.200 does become emotional because of, and by the way, this comes up in the context of the Alaska

00:32:04.420 debate so much, where people have this image of Alaska, that it's just this massive national

00:32:10.760 park that people might want to visit one day.

00:32:13.920 And there are incredible, the glaciers and the national park.

00:32:16.980 It's amazing.

00:32:17.920 It's absolutely amazing.

00:32:18.820 By the way, we are Mount McKinley users around here, not Mount Denali.

00:32:24.280 And, and so people miss the fact, though, that there are also vast swaths of Alaska that

00:32:29.300 are completely untouched, they have drilling under them, and it wouldn't affect anything,

00:32:35.020 but the environmentalists or other lobbies use that to prevent access to those resources.

00:32:42.380 Exactly.

00:32:43.140 And look, if you've spent any time in Utah, I would encourage you to consider a drive between

00:32:48.900 St. George in the south, up to Ogden in the north on I-15.

00:32:54.520 Now, driving on I-15 during that expanse, you'll travel most of the length of the state.

00:33:00.840 You'll drive through a number of cities and towns.

00:33:02.900 You won't drive through any wilderness areas or national parks, because that's not how the

00:33:08.060 interstate works.

00:33:09.060 But you will drive through countless cities and towns, countless neighborhoods, communities

00:33:13.580 where people live.

00:33:15.100 Immediately next to those will be countless vacant lots, many of which are owned by the

00:33:19.660 U.S. government.

00:33:20.600 Those lots are not national parks.

00:33:22.480 They're not suitable for wilderness areas.

00:33:23.940 They're not part of a national forest or any other protected federal land status category.

00:33:30.080 They are most naturally and most beneficially used by the American people as housing, because

00:33:36.160 they're right next to housing, and should be available for consideration for the construction

00:33:40.660 of housing.

00:33:42.800 We've got a quick break coming up here.

00:33:44.880 By the way, I was trying to think of what the name of it was.

00:33:46.720 Pebble Mine.

00:33:47.560 Pebble Mine up in Alaska is one of these great deposits that I've talked about, where it's

00:33:53.560 just, it's, you go there and they flew us out on a helicopter and we landed right out and

00:33:58.980 they said, well, you know, believe our feet is a trillion dollars in copper.

00:34:02.900 I said, did you bring a shovel?

00:34:04.100 And you look around, there's just nothing.

00:34:05.560 There's just nothing around.

00:34:07.060 It's just open rocks and scrub grass.

00:34:10.220 And that's about it.

00:34:11.440 And what's preventing it is a lot of this red tape.

00:34:14.300 So there are instances where I could find myself in agreement, but I also think that

00:34:19.340 there are serious questions and serious concerns as well, because we do want to keep our public

00:34:24.600 lands beautiful when they are.

00:34:26.820 Be right back.

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00:35:46.700 We're back.

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00:35:48.760 We're continuing our interview with Senator Mike Lee.

00:35:52.740 And we're asking questions about this, this public land deal, this public land bill, which

00:35:58.920 and now the current status of which is that it's not going to be in the reconciliation

00:36:02.480 or potentially not in the reconciliation bill because the Senate parliamentarian has put

00:36:06.980 the brakes on it.

00:36:07.720 However, that might be reopened or revisited at another time.

00:36:12.720 And, you know, I'm looking at the chat and I see people in the chat and Senator, I'm sure

00:36:17.360 you've seen it online as well.

00:36:18.600 I know you've seen it online as well.

00:36:19.840 That there are some people who say, I like it because it helps with the debt, helps with

00:36:24.580 the housing issue.

00:36:25.440 I see a lot of other people saying, hey, wait a minute.

00:36:28.120 I don't want to lose our public lands.

00:36:29.780 I don't want to lose our national parks.

00:36:31.800 This land is there for, you know, throwing Teddy Roosevelt quotes in.

00:36:35.880 You know, this is for our posterity.

00:36:38.080 This is for our beautiful lands for hunting and fishing and hiking and selling it off to

00:36:44.340 developers, et cetera, et cetera.

00:36:45.760 I'm sure you've heard all of these criticisms as well.

00:36:50.620 Walk me through how these federal plots that you're talking about are different from these

00:36:56.820 national park areas that people are so concerned about.

00:37:00.620 Yeah, very, very different.

00:37:02.620 National parks and national wilderness areas, forests, things like that.

00:37:07.440 They've been designated and set aside for non-use in the case of wilderness areas and national

00:37:14.340 parks, for example, normally they have some type of unique quality that makes them especially

00:37:20.380 beautiful and they tend to be remote and detached from where people are living.

00:37:26.040 Nothing like that, nothing included within that could even be considered under this proposal.

00:37:31.940 This proposal deals with, again, it's best to think of these as vacant lots next to existing

00:37:38.640 established residential neighborhoods.

00:37:42.000 And so an individual, anyone could nominate this.

00:37:45.280 It's patterned after a law that's been around for decades called the Recreation and Public

00:37:48.540 Purposes Act that allows for purposes of establishing a trail or anything else deemed to be a public

00:37:55.460 purpose.

00:37:55.900 You can sell some federal land as appropriate for those purposes.

00:38:02.700 In this circumstance, when somebody nominates a parcel, it initiates a review process within

00:38:08.520 the U.S. Department of the Interior.

00:38:10.700 And if the land is deemed suitable and appropriate for housing and it doesn't run afoul of any of

00:38:15.300 the many exemptions and protections that are in there, then it could ultimately be placed

00:38:21.420 for sale and could be transferred to a unit of local government in that area, which would

00:38:26.060 in turn oversee the process by which that could be developed into single family residential

00:38:32.080 housing would be the preference under the bill.

00:38:35.120 And they could do so at a, what we sometimes refer to as an affordable rate.

00:38:42.600 And it would allow individual families to purchase land for purposes of building a home.

00:38:50.400 So when we look at what this does, rather than just listen to the scare monitoring tactics

00:38:55.940 of those who say you're going to destroy the national park system, look at the facts.

00:39:00.460 This doesn't hit national parks or any of the other protected areas.

00:39:04.520 These are vacant lots next to where people already live, next to utility hookups and connections,

00:39:09.940 places where there are already roads.

00:39:12.620 This is not something that you should worry about in terms of destroying the legacy of

00:39:17.680 Theodore Roosevelt.

00:39:18.780 Now, look, if you're one of those people who believes as if a matter of first principles,

00:39:24.080 as if an article of faith, that the current land footprint of the United States government

00:39:31.160 is somehow written onto stone tablets and handed down from on high and designated to be perpetually

00:39:39.560 in federal ownership, you're not going to like this bill if that's what you believe.

00:39:44.220 But if you do believe that, I think that is a mistake.

00:39:46.600 If on the other hand, you believe that it could be good for housing to allow families to be able

00:39:52.120 to afford housing, to have a greater supply, particularly in areas where the federal government

00:39:55.780 would that be codified into the bill itself?

00:39:57.740 In the case of my state, this family ownership or would that be codified into the bill, this

00:40:03.500 maybe preferential treatment for families going along with some of the family policies that

00:40:08.640 President Trump and J.D. Vance have put out there as well?

00:40:10.820 Yes. And in that respect, it's good to think of these as freedom zone housing opportunities

00:40:18.440 for families because of this preference built into the text for single family housing.

00:40:26.020 Well, I think built into the text, that's something that a lot of people and I can see

00:40:29.540 are asking for. And people remember 40 acres and a mule. And this is sort of how the West was

00:40:35.880 was founded, how the West was won. And I think that people understandably have concerns when

00:40:43.200 whenever the federal government is talking about doing something like this. But I appreciate

00:40:47.580 you coming on. I appreciate you sharing with us. Where can people go to follow you and get

00:40:52.220 all the information that you're putting out from your side of this as well?

00:40:56.400 I think you can always go to lee.senate.gov where we have up to date information on this bill

00:41:01.620 and what it does and where it's going. Lee.senate.gov. Senator, thank you so much for joining us

00:41:07.920 once again, Human Events Daily. Thank you. All right, folks. And ladies and gentlemen,

00:41:13.080 as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

00:41:31.620 Thank you.

00:41:32.860 Thank you.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - June 25, 2025

Import The 3rd World, Become The 3rd World

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