Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - April 24, 2026


IRAN ROUND 2： Trump Peace Talks Begin & The Playbook For Right-Wing Victory


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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, it's Jack. I wanted to let you know that we're starting a new push for subscriptions
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00:00:22.660 Look, we've done so much over the past couple of years since this show started, and we're
00:00:26.840 only going to do so much more. Let's get it. This is what happens when the fourth turning
00:00:37.020 meets fifth generation warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation,
00:00:47.840 and former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:52.680 There's a whole number of very large companies, including Apple and Amazon and others that have not sought reimbursements yet for the tariffs.
00:01:04.180 They haven't tried to collect refunds. And from what I understand, part of the reason that they have waited is because there is a worry about, frankly, offending you.
00:01:16.200 Would you find it offensive for them to try to collect a refund?
00:01:19.680 I think it's brilliant if they don't do that.
00:01:21.700 Actually, if they don't do that, they got to know me very well.
00:01:25.600 I'm very honored by what you just said.
00:01:27.460 A court has handed down a ruling saying the state of Texas can require schools to post the Ten Commandments in classrooms.
00:01:35.360 So Donald Trump has made clear that he does not want an independent Fed.
00:01:39.820 In fact, he has said, and I quote, anybody that disagrees with me will never be Fed chairman.
00:01:45.860 And he's made clear that you are his sock puppet, saying last week that interest rates will drop, quote, when Kevin gets in.
00:01:54.100 Yeah.
00:01:54.900 Professor, what's a sock puppet?
00:01:58.580 I heard the reference from Senator Warren.
00:02:01.060 Yeah, what is it?
00:02:01.920 I'm not sure I know.
00:02:03.500 I think it's that thing you stick your hand in.
00:02:05.800 Yeah, kind of like this.
00:02:07.160 Yes.
00:02:08.080 Are you going to be the president's human sock puppet?
00:02:11.720 Senator, absolutely not.
00:02:13.380 Are you going to be anybody's human sock puppet?
00:02:15.860 No, I'm honored the president nominated for the position and I'll be an independent actor
00:02:21.220 if confirmed as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
00:02:23.220 Our new policy is simple. If you, an American warrior entrusted to defend this nation,
00:02:28.900 believe that the flu vaccine is in your best interest,
00:02:32.180 then you are free to take it. You shouldn't. But we will not force you.
00:02:35.940 Sir, would you use a nuclear weapon against Iran? You posted on social a few weeks ago.
00:02:40.500 No, we don't need it. Why do I need it? Why would a stupid question like that be asked?
00:02:44.420 Why would I why would I use a nuclear weapon where we've totally in a very conventional way decimated them without it?
00:02:52.520 No, I wouldn't use it. A nuclear weapon should never be allowed to be used by anybody.
00:02:58.820 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily here live.
00:03:03.640 Real America's voice today is April 24th, 2026.
00:03:07.520 Anno Domine. U.S. envoys Steve Wyckoff, Jared Kushner are headed to Islamabad, Pakistan tomorrow
00:03:15.980 for high profile round two of negotiations this time around directly with the Iranian foreign
00:03:23.560 minister. What do we know about this? Well, we know that Wyckoff and Kushner, as well as J.D. Vance,
00:03:30.520 the vice president, were expected to meet with the Iranians earlier this week. They were looking to
00:03:35.540 maybe Tuesday, maybe Wednesday. For whatever reason, that didn't happen. It had to do with
00:03:40.320 a breakdown over control of the Strait of Hormuz and information, which, by the way, a story that
00:03:46.640 was broken here on Human Events Daily last week, that Iran was mining the Strait of Hormuz again
00:03:53.540 covertly. So remember, as you see that throughout the media, as you see that throughout all of the
00:04:00.060 mainstream. Just remember, where did you hear it first that Iran was putting more mines in the
00:04:06.400 Strait of Hormuz? You heard that right here on Human Events Daily when Tom Sauer, who I was in
00:04:13.720 a unit with back in the Navy, a special operator, I was his intel guy. He had the information that
00:04:20.940 Iran was covertly remining the Strait of Hormuz. What are they trying to do? They're trying to
00:04:26.320 close down that southern route so that only the northern route will work. What does this mean,
00:04:32.280 though? Guess what? It doesn't affect the naval blockade. And last night I had the opportunity
00:04:39.560 on Fox News, and that's exactly what I talked about, that President Trump's naval blockade
00:04:43.780 is brilliant because he has set up the parameters that the United States Navy can then decide if
00:04:50.960 they want to go after, if the United States government wants to go after any Iranian ship
00:04:55.500 they can do so. They don't need to be in the Strait of Hormuz to do this. They don't need to
00:04:59.560 be in the Gulf of Aden to do this. They can do this anywhere in the Indian Ocean or beyond.
00:05:05.020 So what does it mean? It means time is not on the side of the Iranians here. Every single day
00:05:11.560 that they don't ship that oil to China, they're losing money. They're losing millions. They're
00:05:18.740 losing billions. And the Iranian labor minister came out and said, what, two million Iranians
00:05:24.800 are now unemployed because of the war, guess what? It doesn't work. If you don't have money
00:05:30.140 to be able to pay the IRGZ, to be able to pay these FAC-FYAC ships, if you don't have the
00:05:35.600 ability to pay this mosquito fleet, whatever you want to call it, the fast boats, the small boys,
00:05:41.200 you will not have the ability to maintain your military if you don't have any money.
00:05:47.800 It's called economic warfare in reverse. The Iranians want to play that game? Well,
00:05:52.180 guess what? So can the Americans. That's why the foreign minister who, remember, he said he was
00:05:56.920 going to Pakistan, that he was on his way to Russia. He's on his way to Moscow and others.
00:06:00.380 That's why he's saying, you know what? Maybe I am going to sit down with the Americans. Maybe I am
00:06:05.660 going to sit down with Kushner, with Witkoff, because actually the blockade is working.
00:06:13.440 That's the key here. That's what they don't want to tell you, that the blockade is actually
00:06:18.640 working. So the warmongers, remember, that's on one side. That's Lindsey Graham, the jester goon
00:06:24.520 for more war. Lindsey Graham says he wants boots on the ground. Lindsey Graham had this half-baked
00:06:30.480 idea that we were going to send our troops into Karg Island, where I said, and many others pointed
00:06:35.700 out, they would be sitting ducks. And according to the Wall Street Journal, that's exactly what
00:06:40.320 President Trump said. But others of us, people actually served in the military, said, why not
00:06:47.300 just use the world's finest navy to enact an incredible blockade, the most beautiful blockade
00:06:55.020 the world has ever seen, of Iranian ships operating outside of Iranian ports. There,
00:07:01.480 the trade of Hormuz, and then hammer out a deal. Well, the warmongers said a deal wasn't coming.
00:07:07.040 Guess what? Tomorrow, everyone sitting down in Islamabad, direct talks, the Iranian foreign
00:07:13.240 Minister, Jared Kushner, and Steve Wyckoff. Right back, Human Events Daily returns.
00:07:19.880 Nothing will stand in our way, and our golden age has just begun.
00:07:24.480 This is Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
00:07:26.220 Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.
00:07:30.920 Welcome to the second American Revolution.
00:07:35.320 All right, folks, Jack with Sobic back live, human events, daily, Real America's Voice.
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00:10:02.200 here right now, because Joshua, I mean, it's incredible. We had this book, Unhumans, that
00:10:11.140 came out. It did New York Times, people still talking about it. We also did Bulletproof 2024,
00:10:16.420 but then some, some folks in, you know, sort of the, uh, the wider, uh, you know, the,
00:10:23.240 what do you really want to call it? The post-o cinematic universe or whatever.
00:10:26.560 Some other folks were saying that, uh, that, you know, this Joshua Lysak guy is, uh, an
00:10:31.200 interesting cat. Maybe I could use him to help me write a book that people have wanted to put
00:10:36.420 out and explore. Of course, I remember when you and I first talking, that's pretty, pretty much
00:10:40.280 interstated reason for wanting to come in as a co-author. And you have yet another new book
00:10:47.760 coming out this year. Tell us about it and tell us what it is. Thank you, Jack. Yes. A book that
00:10:54.700 I've been wanting to write for five, six years now is basically the right-wing organizer's handbook.
00:11:01.380 You know, the left for decades, they have had their own, let's say, administrative NGO complex
00:11:07.720 of candidates, future candidates, of organizational tactics. And of course,
00:11:13.340 organizing is kind of a left-wing coded word. And many people will complain. Why is it that
00:11:19.020 democratic ideas and far left-wing viewpoints become law in this country despite their
00:11:24.180 unpopularity? Well, it's because they organize. And I teamed up with Cliff Maloney of the PHA,
00:11:29.940 and of Citizens Alliance, of course. Charlie Kirk brought him in to basically, long story short,
00:11:35.480 win Pennsylvania for President Donald J. Trump in 2024. And we combined our knowledge bases and
00:11:41.880 experiences to produce Run, Write, a Complete Election Playbook to Win, which covers campaigning,
00:11:49.280 it covers grassroots organizing, it covers socio-political advocacy, another set of mass
00:11:55.680 persuasion methods and techniques that will enable normal people with viewpoints like ours,
00:12:01.780 like yours to make our values into national, state, and local policy.
00:12:08.960 So this is great.
00:12:10.140 Now, the book is called Run Right, yourself, Cliff Maloney.
00:12:13.100 We're going to have Cliff on after this.
00:12:15.420 You know, so talk to us about this, and I want to get into that story a little bit, but
00:12:19.660 let's look at, say, oh, I don't know, the SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center, that
00:12:25.860 this organization was set up by the left and used for years as an organizational tool for the left
00:12:34.040 to crush, to intimidate, to censor, work with law enforcement against the right for years. So when
00:12:41.640 we talk about the SPLC in terms of effectiveness, that goes to show you how powerful organizing can
00:12:48.020 become if done right. Yes, there is ideological alignment between and among the various
00:12:54.500 players. And of course, I'm not sure if some of you may have seen Tim Kasta. Tim Poole had a great
00:12:59.580 post this morning, which is something like, you know, conservatives show up to an event, liberals
00:13:04.760 pay Nazis to show up at the conservative event, and then the liberals get to say, look at all the
00:13:09.960 Nazis at the conservative event. Well, why has that tactic been deployed time and time again?
00:13:15.620 It's because of the ideological alignment between the public sector, between the private sector,
00:13:21.060 and within the NGO administrative complex,
00:13:24.080 to borrow a term from another book
00:13:25.680 I have coming out later this year
00:13:26.820 with Data Republican.
00:13:27.860 I've got five Joshua Lisek and Friends books
00:13:30.180 coming out this year alone.
00:13:31.960 It's going to be a blast.
00:13:32.900 And Cliff Melania gets to be,
00:13:34.440 Cliff gets to be the first one.
00:13:36.080 I'm so excited about this book
00:13:37.240 because it empowers people with 18 steps,
00:13:40.780 step by step with no step skipped.
00:13:43.300 Basically how to go from, frankly,
00:13:45.940 kind of anonymous, nobody citizen
00:13:47.760 to holding power,
00:13:49.920 to wielding power. One of the quotes we return to time and again inside of the book,
00:13:55.600 Run Right with Cliff Maloney, coming out Tuesday, by the way, is from you, Jack, when you said
00:14:00.980 that conservatives, if you have principles but no power, you have nothing. But if you have
00:14:10.120 power but no principles, you have tyranny. Well, it's finally time for the right, broadly,
00:14:15.420 to understand the necessity of power to protect that which is worth conserving.
00:14:23.640 If you don't have the power to conserve, then you're not conserving anything.
00:14:27.980 And so run, write this complete playbook to organize, to campaign, to rally,
00:14:34.080 to share your vision in a persuasively communicated way to get the donors,
00:14:39.680 the supporters, the volunteers, the door knockers,
00:14:42.780 whatever it is that you need to win, run right is the way to do it. And of course, it has a
00:14:47.740 delicious dual meaning now, doesn't it? Run right. No, no, I love the double entendre there. And,
00:14:52.820 and plus, you can look at so many organizations, obviously, TPSA and Turning Point Action are the
00:15:00.300 most clear examples of this. But I would also even point to Moms for Liberty, you take a group
00:15:06.240 that, you know, prior really to COVID and the lockdowns, you didn't have this huge focus on
00:15:12.840 school boards. But then when people through that situation were looking over their kid's shoulder
00:15:17.760 on these Zoom classes, finding out what the teacher was doing, they said, oh, my gosh,
00:15:22.100 I can't believe this is being taught in schools. And then Moms for Liberty just comes out of
00:15:26.540 almost out of nowhere. But that meets that moment of the anger of so many of the mama bears out
00:15:32.760 there in the world saying, what can we do to protect our kids? And what they did was incredible.
00:15:38.120 And I'm sure that's something that you get into in the book. Absolutely. And interestingly enough,
00:15:43.480 Tiffany Justice, who was a founder of Moms for Liberty, she wrote an endorsement for the book
00:15:48.080 that appears inside. And of course, the chief operating officer. I didn't even realize that,
00:15:51.780 but it doesn't surprise me at all. It doesn't surprise me at all. Yeah. And Tyler Bauer,
00:15:54.900 a turning point, he wrote the foreword, which explains Charlie's original vision for creating
00:15:59.940 and organizing apparatus that acts kind of as the counter to the radical left in America.
00:16:06.980 Oh, that's amazing. So talk about Moms for Liberty. How did they employ this model?
00:16:13.600 Yes, what I think they did so well, first and foremost, was, interestingly enough,
00:16:18.640 they repurposed a model of Marshall Ganz. If anyone doesn't know who Dr. Marshall Ganz is,
00:16:23.560 I would say he wrote the most consequential book of the 20th century that is organizing people,
00:16:29.660 power change. It's also called the Organizer's Handbook. It was deployed by the Clinton campaigns,
00:16:35.680 the Obama campaigns. If you look at Marshall Ganz, just check out his Wikipedia page. There's some
00:16:39.940 information in the book on him. But he developed a model of community organizing that allows just
00:16:45.080 a private citizen to become a powerful player in society and in culture. And his ideas have been
00:16:51.680 deployed to make, for example, homosexual marriage equality in the United States is a direct
00:16:58.140 deployment of Marshall Gann's community organizing methods. And guess what? We have in one of the
00:17:03.860 appendices a tribute to Marshall Gann's, if you could call it that, called the Right Being
00:17:08.380 Organizer's Handbook. And it's laying out the storytelling and persuasion model, the rhetorical
00:17:15.080 devices that are used by effective community organizers for a particular issue to get people
00:17:21.360 onto your side, to have everyone distributed and empowered to tell the same story. Rather than
00:17:27.240 build this rigid hierarchy you called something like a a snowflake type of a model a snowflake
00:17:34.760 type of a team that everyone is appropriately empowered in their domain and moms for liberty
00:17:41.400 has been a good example of deploying that as has turning point more so than most in the united
00:17:46.000 states for the right-wing perspective and values look you know it's it's something where
00:17:53.720 And I've talked to Tyler about this so many times.
00:17:56.080 The left is just so far ahead of us on this.
00:17:59.500 They're a generation ahead of us.
00:18:01.500 You know, we would rather sit around and infight and talk about this, talk about that.
00:18:05.480 And what does the left do?
00:18:06.500 You saw what they did in Virginia, right?
00:18:07.960 They just organize.
00:18:08.940 They take power.
00:18:09.640 And then once they take power, they give themselves more power immediately.
00:18:13.960 They don't wait around for it.
00:18:15.340 And they bring in the big guns like Barack Obama.
00:18:17.740 They go to Spanberger.
00:18:18.740 They've ascended right down to Richmond from Northern Virginia, which by right should be
00:18:22.820 part of Washington, D.C., but I digress.
00:18:25.820 And what do they do?
00:18:26.820 They organize and take power and then they organize and take more power and then they
00:18:30.400 organize and continue to take power.
00:18:32.580 They are solely and steely laser focused on this on the right.
00:18:39.160 We have debate.
00:18:40.800 We have conversation.
00:18:41.800 We'd love that.
00:18:42.800 But at the same time, we are now just starting to learn that it is the power of organization
00:18:48.680 that gives you the ability to enact those ideas into reality.
00:18:54.440 And if you do not take power,
00:18:56.280 then your principles are meaningless.
00:18:59.160 We'll be right back, Human Events Daily.
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00:19:08.700 Where's Jack?
00:19:09.620 Jack, he's done a great job.
00:19:12.220 All right, Jack Posobiec, here we are back.
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00:20:20.180 All right, I want to go back to Joshua Lysak because, Joshua, we mentioned the SPLC a moment ago.
00:20:26.900 We saw the indictment that came out.
00:20:29.180 And I just want to talk about something that my good friend and yours, the dearly departed Scott Adams,
00:20:35.340 he talked about two things almost incessantly one was the southern poverty law center and the other
00:20:43.040 was charlottesville now i don't know if scott ever came out and said that the spLC was behind
00:20:51.720 charlottesville but he seemed to be able to intuit that charlottesville was at what he would
00:20:59.300 he always called it the tentpole hoax of the anti-Trump era. And he always said that if you
00:21:08.300 can knock down Charlottesville, then you can knock down this entire idea that Donald Trump
00:21:14.000 is a racist and all the rest, that they're all lying. Well, here we are. It's a few months after
00:21:19.820 Scott left us. We find out that not only was there a lie about what Donald Trump said about
00:21:26.440 charlottesville that the entire thing was a setup to begin with and and joshua how is it do you
00:21:35.180 think and this i want to go you know a little bit you know on a meta level here how did scott know
00:21:39.960 this how did he figure that all out without any evidence he just looked at it and he could figure
00:21:44.740 it out one of the books that scott released in 2019 was a book called loser think which are
00:21:51.480 ideas that impoverish our own thinking our own reasoning but we think are actually really smart
00:21:57.600 well if we think that way we end up losering a lot in our lives and one of the models one of
00:22:05.020 the frameworks that scott adams used and and loser think allows us to think about following
00:22:11.220 the money and that's a simple phrase that we've all heard before but it more so gets to this idea
00:22:16.360 of incentive structures.
00:22:19.180 And Scott had pointed out in a number of videos
00:22:21.120 that have resurfaced since then
00:22:22.920 and since his untimely passing,
00:22:25.400 Scott would point out that if you fundraise
00:22:28.900 off the existence of, let's say,
00:22:31.280 racism and racist activities,
00:22:33.400 then your ability to make more money
00:22:36.520 is therefore related directly
00:22:39.700 to the existence of there being more racism,
00:22:42.180 which will often result in the, let's say, demand for racism outpacing, far outpacing,
00:22:50.980 the existence of actual racism, the supply of actual racism. So when you're incentivized for
00:22:57.540 there to be racism, what do you need to do in order to keep making money? You need to fan the
00:23:02.680 flames. You need to exaggerate. You need to do whatever you possibly can to make the problem
00:23:08.220 seem as large as possible, and this, frankly, is the trap of every charitable organization.
00:23:13.620 If you're dedicated to fighting a specific cause, your ability to make money is directly related
00:23:20.080 to the existence and the perceived trouble that that cause is. In the case of the Southern
00:23:26.580 Poverty Law Center, and by the way, their 501c4 sister organization, the SPLC Action Fund,
00:23:38.220 which does do the political work that a nonprofit charitable organization
00:23:42.600 otherwise has a wall preventing that.
00:23:45.000 But they can work kind of in tandem, unofficially, so to speak.
00:23:49.000 I think the SVLC action function would be.
00:23:51.060 We actually have the tweet.
00:23:53.200 We have the tweet here from Scott Adams where someone said,
00:23:58.040 you're disregarding the – this guy, Andy Brohard, who says,
00:24:01.560 you're disregarding the formation of racist groups and uptick in hate crimes since the election.
00:24:05.420 Of course, he's referring to this data set that the SPLC in the narrative that it puts out.
00:24:11.160 Maybe the public is whole less racist, but giving rise to dangerous extremists completely outweighs that.
00:24:16.460 Scott Scott says politely both can be true, but also consider that when you pay someone to identify racist organizations, they find more than if you don't pay them.
00:24:26.180 And that is what happens with the SPLC.
00:24:28.800 So it might be a measurement incentive issue, too.
00:24:32.580 That was seven years ago.
00:24:36.440 Scott Adams called it all out.
00:24:38.700 And Elon Musk had tweeted this out.
00:24:40.240 A bunch of us were quote tweeting it where this is just how far ahead Scott was.
00:24:44.320 And it's really simple.
00:24:45.560 He followed the incentives.
00:24:46.720 He followed the money.
00:24:47.940 And when incentives and money align, that is when you're going to find hoaxes.
00:24:53.460 Now, I don't know if he ever tied directly the SPLC to Charlottesville, but my goodness,
00:24:58.360 I think he knew.
00:24:59.380 I think on some level he just knew.
00:25:01.160 I think he also knew with regard to all of the claims that were being made.
00:25:07.840 Look at the extent to which Democratic candidates fundraise off of the Charlottesville fine people hoax.
00:25:14.280 Scott Adams was also one of the first to call out the explicit, but at first barely mentioned, barely made attention in the mainstream.
00:25:24.080 But remember candidate Joe Biden, when he was asked in 2020 why he was running for president, what did he say?
00:25:30.480 it was because of Charlottesville, the fine people hoax. So we had for four years a hoaxocracy.
00:25:37.740 We had a hoaxer in chief because of this one event that if you added it all up, collectively
00:25:45.040 billions of dollars likely changed hands as a result of this lie, the Charlottesville fine
00:25:52.760 people hoax. And now that the SPLC's funding of it, partial, whole, still figuring all of that
00:25:59.300 out yet, what the SBLC has done to basically increase the supply of racism so that their
00:26:07.160 services can meet the demand, so to speak. It does look like a bit of a racket, but it follows
00:26:13.460 the incentive structure description that Scott Adams laid out in LoserThink, the book, and
00:26:17.280 elsewhere. Joshua, where can people go and remind people the name of the book again?
00:26:23.380 Yes, I'm at JoshuaLisac on X, and you can get the book by me and Cliff Maloney at
00:26:28.260 RunRightBook.com
00:26:30.520 RunRightBook.com
00:26:32.600 Joshua Lysak
00:26:33.260 Give him a follow
00:26:34.300 And Cliff Maloney himself
00:26:35.280 Will be here right next
00:26:36.440 Univance Daily continues
00:26:37.880 Jack, where's Jack?
00:26:42.420 Where's Jack?
00:26:44.720 Where is he?
00:26:46.000 Jack, I want to see you
00:26:47.600 Great job, Jack
00:26:51.060 Thank you
00:26:51.720 What a job you do
00:26:53.020 You know, we have an incredible thing
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00:26:56.820 But we have guys
00:26:58.060 and these are the guys
00:26:59.460 that should be getting
00:27:00.020 Pulisic.
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00:28:15.820 You know, folks, I just got to throw it out
00:28:17.620 that I was looking at some more Scott Adams' tweets
00:28:20.840 just now about Charlottesville.
00:28:22.740 He has another one down here.
00:28:24.260 2023, March 8th, 2023.
00:28:26.500 What are the odds those tiki torch carrying neo-Nazis from Charlottesville would only rally
00:28:30.640 once? Feels like it was an American intel op against Trump. That's my working assumption.
00:28:37.040 That's how far ahead the guy was. Dude was just a genius. Dude was just a literal,
00:28:42.000 actual genius calling for us in real time, the operating system behind reality. Someone else
00:28:50.160 who also understands the operating system behind reality, among other things, is Cliff Maloney.
00:28:56.060 You know, Cliff joins us. He was just on where we just had Joshua on and we were talking about the book Run Right.
00:29:02.760 And Cliff is the co-author of that book. What's up, Cliff?
00:29:06.920 Good to be here, Jack. Thanks for having me.
00:29:09.660 So so talk to us a little bit. You know, we just had Joshua on, but talk to us a little bit about this book in practice,
00:29:15.800 because that's where you operate. You operate in the field.
00:29:19.520 I mean, gosh, you're in the field, what, like 300 days a year or something.
00:29:22.440 The last time I checked, I can't even keep up with where you are on a daily basis in the world.
00:29:26.920 And I always know you're plugging away somewhere because you understand that's what it takes to build an organization and run an organization.
00:29:35.620 Yeah, look, when we decided to write this book, you know, it was really fascinating because I had to put pen to paper about what happened in 2024, right?
00:29:44.720 So we were able to retell the story.
00:29:46.340 Jack, I appreciate you endorsing the book.
00:29:48.500 Tyler Boyer with the foreword.
00:29:49.940 But to be able to come together and tell the story, obviously to honor Charlie, because this was really the mission that he put so many activists on, right?
00:29:59.000 To go out there, to do the work, to knock that extra door.
00:30:02.120 So we not only talk about 2024 and talk about what we did in Pennsylvania, but we took all of these notes from these campaigns that we've been doing pretty much over the last decade.
00:30:11.460 And we put together a step-by-step guide that if you, watching right now, want to run for office, want to be involved with the campaign, it's not going to talk to you about all the big-time consultants.
00:30:22.940 It's going to talk to you about the blocking and tackling to win in the political arena.
00:30:28.240 Remember, this isn't 2024.
00:30:30.300 This is now 2026.
00:30:31.980 We got a lot of work.
00:30:32.980 You see on the screen there, Glenn Jacobs, one of our favorites.
00:30:35.920 The wrestler Kane, Knox County mayor, gave a glowing endorsement.
00:30:40.220 Run Right finally gives the right, a serious data-driven playbook for modern campaigns.
00:30:45.700 Appreciate Glenn for endorsing it. But Jack, it's about time we get serious. I think Virginia should
00:30:50.480 be a wake-up call. And that's exactly why we wrote this book, runrightbook.com, if people
00:30:56.000 want to get their hands on it. It's time for us to take it seriously and win these elections.
00:31:03.080 Well, so, you know, Virginia is a wake-up call on all of this. Talk to us a little bit about
00:31:08.900 Virginia and how, I'm just going to say it, it looks like the GOP went in without organization.
00:31:16.000 They came in over the top, a lot of cable news ads, but without much on the ground work
00:31:22.380 and lost a nail biter, which honestly, and I'm just going to call it out that, and I
00:31:28.320 said the same thing to Tyler and I'll say it when I, I think he said some stuff online
00:31:31.840 as well, but that could have been one with an effective ground game.
00:31:34.880 Absolutely correct, Jack. And I'm going to keep saying this as loud as I can. $100 million. That's what we decided to spend donor money on to try to defend John Cornyn in Texas. It is an embarrassment. The left understands this. They fully fund all the 501c3s, all the 501c4s. It's permanent infrastructure.
00:31:58.540 Tyler's exactly right.
00:31:59.560 He's been screaming about this.
00:32:00.900 We reached out to donors.
00:32:02.260 We've all got programs.
00:32:03.360 We've all got things we're trying to do.
00:32:05.140 Real organizations like Citizens Alliance, like Turning Point, so many other partners,
00:32:10.380 they have the manpower.
00:32:12.180 But what are we missing?
00:32:13.780 It's the dollars.
00:32:14.680 And the consultants continue to flood all this money into these TV ads, TV ads.
00:32:20.740 But groups like Turning Point, groups like Citizens Alliance,
00:32:23.760 we are working to build what we call permanent infrastructure.
00:32:26.740 and that is what we need to see. Now, look, the change is happening. I want to be clear about
00:32:31.920 that. This is not like, oh, throw your arms in the air, we're failing. 2024 was the first real
00:32:36.680 pull and Charlie gets a lot of credit for that. Pulling the donors away from these consultants
00:32:42.420 that want to take 15% of every dollar they spend on television ads. So 2024 started that,
00:32:49.180 but now we've got to get serious. In Virginia, being that it was right before the midterms,
00:32:53.580 it might actually be a blessing. It might be the wake up call we need to tell the donor class and
00:32:59.320 to tell all the activists to focus on a real ground game. That's the missing piece.
00:33:06.340 And we talk about ground game. This is this is so key because, look, at the end of the day,
00:33:12.100 it's people's media consumption habits aren't the same as what they were 10 years ago, 20 years ago,
00:33:19.200 30 years ago. It's not the same. It's not enough to just go up on TV anymore, is it, Cliff?
00:33:24.800 Now, look, I talk about this in the book, but the entire strategy has changed,
00:33:30.400 not because voting habits have changed specifically, but because the rules have
00:33:35.280 changed, Jack. It used to be that you wanted that perfect Karl Rove message going into the
00:33:41.240 November morning of the election because everybody voted on Election Day. Right now,
00:33:46.120 we don't have election weekend. We don't have election week. We don't even have election month.
00:33:50.760 In Pennsylvania, we have election season. In Arizona, in Nevada, in New Hampshire,
00:33:55.860 all these states, you're voting for a long period of time. And so that's why the ground game now has
00:34:02.420 such a needed impact, because it's not about persuading these voters that are unsure. It's
00:34:08.580 about going to the 900,000 Republicans in Pennsylvania that are not likely to vote this
00:34:14.540 year and spending all of our time getting them a mail-in ballot, which will give them a much
00:34:20.160 better shot at voting. That's why the ground game now matters so much more. Yes, you have to be on
00:34:25.780 TV. You've got to be on radio. You've got to be on digital. You've got to do mail. You've got to
00:34:30.040 send the text, but you've got to match them when it comes to the door-to-door ground game because
00:34:35.480 of the rule change. That's what Charlie identified. That's what we're doing at Citizens Alliance,
00:34:40.340 and we need to continue to focus on the ground game.
00:34:44.620 I remember after that 22 loss in Arizona,
00:34:48.940 I remember sitting there with Charlie when, you know,
00:34:52.900 when we were calculating the numbers and we were crunching some of the
00:34:55.700 returns and the tranches. And he just looked at me, he said, he said,
00:34:59.840 we got to get, we got to do ballots. It just, and,
00:35:03.020 and you could tell in that moment, that's how Charlie was, by the way,
00:35:05.620 he wasn't like you know someone who would plan things out super long in advance he would make
00:35:12.400 the decision and that was it he didn't take a long time to decide etc etc when he decided something
00:35:18.160 he might look at something for a while and you have an idea but when he made a decision so i'm
00:35:22.500 trying to say he was decisive he was resolute and there there it wasn't any talking him out of it
00:35:28.060 right it was we are going to do this and that's how we're going to win and that's exactly where
00:35:33.340 he put not only his time his effort and yes the money of his organization Turning Point Action
00:35:38.280 and Turning Point PAC into ballots and ballot chasing for 2024 and we all saw the result
00:35:44.160 no absolutely and obviously I was with you that night you know to get the call we were honored
00:35:48.900 to share that moment together but I always tell people I don't really get the credit I mean
00:35:53.520 Charlie's the one that talked me into it Charlie's the one that recruited me him and Tyler you know
00:35:57.960 were the ones that told me look we know you don't usually do federal races but you knock a lot of
00:36:02.380 doors. You're one of the only other orgs that does it. You're from Pennsylvania. Your group
00:36:06.260 Citizens Alliance is in Pennsylvania. You ought to do this program. You know, we're going to do
00:36:10.460 Arizona, Wisconsin. We're going to do a couple other states, but we need somebody to handle
00:36:14.400 Pennsylvania. And so it wasn't Charlie just trying to get his organization to get credit.
00:36:19.220 It was him encouraging the apparatus, or as Tyler calls it, the entire Republican apparatus
00:36:24.200 to get into a realignment to focus on getting these ballots in because the rules changed.
00:36:30.620 And it was it was such a journey, Jack. You were there every step of the way. I was on your show, heck, probably weekly in 2024, giving PA updates, looking at the numbers.
00:36:39.760 And we need that type of effort in 2026. And that's what we're aiming to do.
00:36:45.460 Look, I mean, we coined the phrase, right, PA. We never we should have made T-shirts. PA is the play.
00:36:50.100 We never we never actually made shirts of that. But yeah, PA is the play.
00:36:53.180 We said it over and over and it ended up being true.
00:36:56.720 When Pennsylvania was the state that put Donald Trump over in 2024, I, we're always going to remember that moment.
00:37:03.200 It's, and now it's obviously taking on a different, you know, even a different higher, you know, resonance, I think with all of us, but, but the math is still the same.
00:37:14.720 The math was true.
00:37:16.000 We were right on the formula.
00:37:17.400 We were right on the basics and we just worked through it.
00:37:21.160 And sometimes folks, that really is the truth.
00:37:23.200 If you just do the work and you focus in on what you need to do, you can have that victory.
00:37:30.020 Right back, Jack Posobiec, Cliff Maloney, Human Events Daily.
00:37:32.760 Call this the Jack Posobiec Appreciation Hour.
00:37:35.000 I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobiec.
00:37:40.960 And that is, I'll be honest.
00:37:49.060 All right, folks, we're back.
00:37:50.160 Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
00:37:53.200 and we're all with cliff maloney now cliff we're talking about these ground games we're talking
00:37:57.720 about the situation in the states we got to go to texas man because so many people are looking at
00:38:03.600 that texas primary where 100 million dollars was spent on john cornyn and our good buddy scott
00:38:12.460 presler is now just taking through some of his old videos talking about amnesty talking about uh
00:38:18.840 don't do mass deportations all this stuff that's a hundred million dollars of good money that could
00:38:24.920 have been spent on ground games which by the way don't cost 100 million dollars in actual key states
00:38:31.160 that we need to win or by the way flip what's going on here yeah look this should be a felony
00:38:37.320 spending a hundred million dollars to try to defend john cornyn should be an absolute outrage
00:38:43.960 for any Republican that gives money to any of these establishment organizations.
00:38:48.660 And Jack, I want to make it very clear.
00:38:49.980 What could we have done with that $100 million?
00:38:52.000 Look at Virginia.
00:38:53.200 Let's keep saying it, right?
00:38:55.020 That was such a narrow loss, and you didn't have any full-scale ground game
00:39:00.060 that was able to go in and build permanent infrastructure.
00:39:03.420 But I tell people this all the time.
00:39:04.660 Look, we set a plan, and Charlie was also very good about this.
00:39:08.100 You set a plan.
00:39:09.260 You go to your activists.
00:39:10.220 You go to your donors.
00:39:11.080 You're public about the plan.
00:39:12.300 You're public about how much it costs.
00:39:13.960 And then you got to go out and do two things. You got to raise the money and then you got to execute the plan. Right.
00:39:19.540 And to do these for these large statewide ground games, it's very difficult.
00:39:23.640 But what's even more difficult is when battles pop up like this and the Democrat Party tosses all their money to the organizations and gets it funded, what do we do on the right?
00:39:35.420 We're expected to pull our resources from our 2026 and 2028 plan and all the swing states that we're in because this is the new shiny item that we have to fight.
00:39:45.220 And it is a battle that needs to be fought.
00:39:47.180 But the party on the left steps up and funds it.
00:39:50.540 The party on the right sits it out and dumps their money into rhinos like corrupt scumbag John Corneman in Texas when we have a patriot in Ken Paxton ready to go who's about to dominate this runoff.
00:40:04.840 no we call him action paxton in fact uh he uh he he posted a action figure picture of himself as
00:40:14.080 action paxton and gave me uh gave me a shout out the other day for talking about it look you need
00:40:18.920 action paxton in there that's somebody who actually represents the mega base actually
00:40:24.400 represents by the way the people of texas and is with them on the issues he's not just i believe
00:40:30.420 as the you know i know we're pennsylvania guys but i believe the texans have a phrase called
00:40:34.500 All Hat, No Cattle.
00:40:37.220 And Ken Paxton is the exact opposite of that,
00:40:40.560 whereas John Cornyn fits it to a T.
00:40:43.880 And when we're looking at it, though,
00:40:45.960 it's the same situation where you get these consultants
00:40:49.300 who make, and I'm just going to say it,
00:40:51.200 they make money, a commission, based on media buys.
00:40:55.860 This has been something that's written in.
00:40:58.140 And honestly, Cliff, it's something that's just kind of shocking to me.
00:41:01.480 I don't even know.
00:41:02.160 Do donors even know that's how it works?
00:41:04.500 Yeah, they do. But look, I even tell people the left knows it works, too. But the left's consultants don't play the shenanigans because they play to win. This is about power. Yes, they're going to make their money, but they're not going to make their money and lose. They're going to make their money and win. On the right, we just don't want to pull that money.
00:41:22.920 You know, look, Fetterman versus Oz is a great example, right? If Fetterman spent about $10 million on chasing ballots, right? And Oz, and Oz is a great guy, love Dr. Oz. But when you look at the outside groups that came in, how much money was spent on ballot chasing?
00:41:39.680 And it's like Fetterman's people pulled $10 million.
00:41:43.600 That's $1.5 million in commissions that no consultant took on the left so that they could go out and chase those ballots, get them all in before his debate oops moment, where we all realized he wasn't really able to put a thought together.
00:41:58.280 But that's the difference.
00:41:59.540 The left doesn't put up with it.
00:42:00.980 They forced the consultants to not take the commission and to put it in the things that work.
00:42:05.900 We're on the right.
00:42:07.060 We're out to lunch.
00:42:08.060 It has to stop.
00:42:09.680 You know, now that I think about it, now that I think about it, I may have to run some gossip by you that I've been hearing recently regarding Pennsylvania.
00:42:21.020 And you mentioned Oz, but I also wanted to mention another senator from Pennsylvania, a guy by the name of John Fetterman.
00:42:28.980 And there's some interesting chatter about Fetterman and his prospects for 2028, because I think that, lest I saw, he hasn't received a single endorsement from any member of the Pennsylvania Democrat House delegation.
00:42:48.640 Do you think John Fetterman is at risk of being primaried?
00:42:51.980 primary? I think that if John Fetterman wins the primary in 2028 as a Democrat, I think he's going
00:42:59.600 to be nearly impossible to beat because the Democrats will hold their nose. And a lot of
00:43:03.660 the Republicans look at Fetterman as I would be one of these people as the most sane Democrat in
00:43:08.120 Washington, D.C. So I think the bigger question here, Jack, is, you know, does this push to get
00:43:13.440 him to try to switch to be a Republican? Does that have legs? And I know a lot of activists,
00:43:17.960 a lot of donors that are pushing him to do that. But here's what would have to happen. I want to
00:43:21.900 be clear. Just switching to become a Republican, well, that doesn't matter, right? What matters is
00:43:26.740 your vote. And so you'd have to see almost a full realignment from John Fetterman to become a sane
00:43:32.660 Republican, but to vote with Republicans. And he's going to have to do it quick if he wants to prove
00:43:37.280 himself for a Republican seat that he would be asking for for six more years. I didn't think
00:43:42.820 there was too much credibility to this. The more I hear from people, the more I see his actions,
00:43:47.020 there is a real push to get him to switch to be a Republican, vote with the Republicans,
00:43:51.940 and then in 2028, try to win the Republican nomination. We'll see what happens.
00:43:58.260 So you think, well, hold on, right. So he would have to switch. I'm just taking the mechanics of
00:44:02.620 this. He would have to switch before he declares for office. Isn't that correct? Because he would
00:44:07.360 have to compete in the primary of that party to be able to compete in the general. Correct. And
00:44:13.280 And I think that's why you're going to have to see something, I would say, by the end of maybe Q3 in 2027.
00:44:19.540 But if he does it, he's going to have to prove himself if he wants to be a Republican.
00:44:23.380 Or run as an independent.
00:44:27.240 Yeah, but I think the math a lot of times – look, as a sitting senator, that's the one way maybe you are able to do it.
00:44:34.640 But I just think he's going to have a problem with all the money that's spent.
00:44:37.740 I don't know how you raise money as an independent.
00:44:39.900 You almost need the party apparatus behind you.
00:44:42.200 but he is 100% going to get a primary from the Democrats. It's going to be the battle for his
00:44:47.460 life. But Jack, I want to warn Pennsylvanians. If John Fetterman does receive the Democrat
00:44:53.180 nomination in 2028, his poll numbers right now, his favorable numbers with Republicans in the
00:45:00.480 suburbs are through the roof because Fox has him on. Everybody has him on because he's saying
00:45:06.660 saying things that disagree with the Democrat party leaders. So it is going to be very difficult
00:45:12.580 for the Republican nominee if they don't primary him out. But Democrats love power. They love
00:45:18.720 control. If they can't control John Fetterman, guess what? They're going to work to replace him
00:45:23.440 with every penny and cent that they have. No, I think that's going to be a very big,
00:45:30.020 it's going to be a very big discussion. You know, obviously this year, Josh Shapiro,
00:45:34.380 five foot three is up for reelection with the platform with the platforms with the platforms
00:45:41.340 yeah with with the platforms um i don't know if he has the bruno moglis but with with that
00:45:46.980 situation you know he's he's he's seen he's as uh you know he's seen as popular in pennsylvania
00:45:54.700 and people need to understand that john fetterman is as well but where john fetterman is unpopular
00:45:59.640 is within his own party and is high, high risk of being private. Funny enough,
00:46:06.860 Josh Shapiro does have a primary problem as well, but it's at the national stage. That's where
00:46:12.680 Josh Shapiro is going to face a lot of trouble because everybody knows he wants to run for
00:46:15.980 president and he just looks at the Harrisburg as a stepping stone to the presidency. But the problem
00:46:20.340 is, is that the Democrat, because Israel has become so anathema to Democrats right now that
00:46:27.220 Joshua is going to have a huge problem there. Yeah. And it's not just for 28, right? Like you
00:46:32.020 said, in 2026, I think you're going to see outside dark money being spent against Shapiro by the
00:46:38.560 radical anti-Jewish, you know, just Democrats. I mean, the radical activists, the radical donors,
00:46:44.560 they're not going to let a Jewish man get anywhere near the nomination. And that means they're going
00:46:48.440 to try to bloody him up this year in his gubernatorial race to try to stop him from
00:46:53.560 springboarding into 2028 expect outside money to come into this governor's race against shapiro
00:46:59.920 it's all tied cliff maloney where can people follow you brother
00:47:03.600 on x at maloney and doors win wars.com appreciate you folks so
00:47:09.040 check them out folks see soon cliff ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay
00:47:13.940 ashore
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