Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 04, 2025


J6 Pipe Bomber ＂Anarchist' Arrested & DHS Confirms ICE Is On The Ground In Minneapolis


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Misogynist Sentences

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Summary

The FBI has arrested a suspect in connection with the January 6th, 2019 attack on the Republican National Committee headquarters in DC, but what does that tell us about the identity of the suspect? Is it a leftist false flag? And if so, what role did he play in the attack? Guest host Dr. Charles Cornish Dale joins host Jack Posobiec to discuss all of this and more.


Transcript

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00:00:53.540 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are here live, human events daily.
00:00:58.260 We're live on Real America's Voice.
00:01:01.280 And we just finished the press conference where the FBI, the Department of Justice, they all came in.
00:01:11.180 And today is, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.
00:01:12.580 Today is December 4th, 2025, Anno Domini.
00:01:16.260 They all made this arrest of Brian Cole, who we're told is the suspect.
00:01:22.420 Now, not a lot of information was revealed of this case.
00:01:26.060 The only piece that we have so far, at least confirmed by Deputy Director, was that this was pre-existing information.
00:01:33.380 You also heard the Attorney General say that this was information that had been collecting dust.
00:01:38.960 I want to go now to our in-guest studio, Dr. Charles Cornish Dale, who joins us now.
00:01:46.340 You guys may know him as the Raw Egg Nationalist.
00:01:49.740 What's up, brother?
00:01:50.220 It's great to be with you, Jack.
00:01:52.340 And I think I'm sitting in your seat today.
00:01:55.360 Indeed, you are.
00:01:56.340 You're sitting in my seat today.
00:01:58.460 We were in separate studios.
00:02:00.080 But yes, that is one of my studios right there.
00:02:03.300 Very nice.
00:02:04.260 What do you make of what we know so far about this bomber?
00:02:08.520 We're waiting to get confirmation on an official photo.
00:02:11.180 I don't know if one has been released yet.
00:02:12.660 But we did hear from multiple sources now about potential anarchist writings that were associated with the individual who would have been about 25 or 26 around the time of this bombing.
00:02:25.980 Yeah, so they haven't released a huge amount of information about this suspect yet.
00:02:32.220 But the information that has been released shouldn't really surprise us.
00:02:37.360 You know, people are already talking on Twitter about the family business, which appears to be related to bail bonds for immigrants.
00:02:46.380 And, you know, then there's also this material, this potentially these anarchist writings.
00:02:54.300 So it looks like actually maybe what we're dealing with is something akin to a false flag.
00:02:59.300 And, you know, that was that was suggested from the very beginning, actually, you know, that there were that there were leftist agitators involved in the events of January the 6th.
00:03:09.480 And, you know, really what it what I think it tells us is that we need to go back and we need to we need to look at January 6th again.
00:03:18.460 We still don't know the full story.
00:03:21.040 We still don't know exactly what was going on.
00:03:24.300 You know, we still don't know who the FBI's confidential informants were who were on the ground.
00:03:29.300 And I think it was you know, there were dozens on the ground that day.
00:03:31.700 But we also don't know actually whether, you know, there were there really were elements of a leftist false flag taking place.
00:03:39.160 Well, and look, you know, there's all of that needs to be discussed, because now when we see these reports about anarchist writings, we see these reports.
00:03:47.160 And remember, this was someone who we knew had attacked not just the RNC, but also the DNC.
00:03:54.100 So someone who clearly perhaps had an axe to grind with both parties isn't necessarily a member of a mainstream political movement.
00:04:02.100 And that does actually fit the profile of someone who we would see on the as an anti-government or an anarchist, anti-fascist extremist, where that is exactly how they look.
00:04:13.340 Now, you know, we're going through and I'm trying to pull up on CNN or FBI, whether any more information is coming out on this.
00:04:22.600 He's been charged at this point of using a an explosive device.
00:04:27.360 We only had that grainy surveillance footage.
00:04:29.580 And again, what we do see, though, is that it seems that the home that he was living in, and I believe we have a shot of the home where he was living, that it this seems to be an affluent individual.
00:04:42.140 Those home prices in that area, northern Virginia, just outside of Washington, D.C., are very, very high.
00:04:48.280 And so, Dr. Cornish Dale, what do you make of the idea that this could have been the son of a fairly wealthy upper middle class family?
00:04:58.620 Is that a profile that we've seen before anywhere?
00:05:01.260 Yeah, yeah.
00:05:02.020 No, it's a profile we all should be familiar with.
00:05:04.720 I mean, I think that what we're seeing is, yeah, I mean, we're seeing a familiar pattern from history.
00:05:10.860 I mean, it's these leftist agitators, these anarchist agitators.
00:05:16.140 You know, a lot of them aren't from the lumpen proletariat, as it were.
00:05:20.300 You know, they're not the lowest of the low.
00:05:21.760 They're actually potentially educated people.
00:05:25.280 They're people from wealthy backgrounds.
00:05:27.080 And yet they share in, you know, the sort of the leftist goal, the leftist dream of leveling society.
00:05:37.080 So, no, I mean, it shouldn't it shouldn't be a it shouldn't be a surprise at all to us if it does turn out that actually this is somebody who is from an affluent background.
00:05:46.080 You know, I mean, Luigi Mangione, he he wasn't from a poor background.
00:05:50.820 Exactly what I was thinking of.
00:05:52.760 Yeah.
00:05:53.160 Yeah. So, you know, I mean, yeah, we we're seeing a pattern emerge and not just a kind of longer term pattern, but even just a pattern within the last year or so from Luigi Mangione.
00:06:05.120 It's the same kinds of people carrying out these crimes, you know, and more attention needs to be paid to them by law enforcement, I think.
00:06:14.900 I mean, it's you know, these are preventable.
00:06:17.020 A lot of these are preventable crimes.
00:06:19.020 I think law enforcement needs to get ahead of them because there are going to be more.
00:06:24.780 I mean, that's one thing we can say, you know, there are going to be more attacks like this, more attempts to assassinate political figures, more attempts to plant pipe bombs, more attempts to spread terror and confusion.
00:06:36.900 And also, perhaps, as with this pipe bombing attack, you know, maybe to so maybe to so dissension, maybe to to kind of try to implicate the right actually in the in the left's scheme to to overturn society.
00:06:52.800 Possibly or even just saw it as a target of opportunity, knew that there would be what what did we know?
00:06:59.560 Right. What do we know? We knew that on January 6th, prior to that, that there would be a large gathering of Trump supporters in Washington, D.C. on that day.
00:07:10.060 And so it certainly could have been just from the basics of it certainly could have been an attempt to target those individuals who were, you know, who were marching.
00:07:21.040 I was personally there that day. I was in and around the Capitol.
00:07:25.060 I was down at the Ellipse. I went walked up to the war room with Steve Bannon and sat down at the table and then went back, was walking down Capitol Hill right as the now.
00:07:35.460 Of course, the pipe bombs didn't go off, but I did see the stun grenades and the flashbangs thrown by the Capitol Police on January 6th as the crowd was was peaceful,
00:07:46.140 which led to much confusion and all of the pushing and shoving. And we saw how that spiraled out of control.
00:07:51.660 And so, you know, it we certainly knew that it was going to be a rough situation, a target of opportunity potentially for someone.
00:07:58.380 And that's why a lot of people had speculated just going into it, that there could be some agitators, some Antifa typically when, you know,
00:08:06.160 as a guy who's held his fair share of Trump rallies and Trump events in Washington, D.C.,
00:08:10.660 typically we do almost always get some kind of Antifa counter protest, counter response.
00:08:16.700 But it was always very interesting to me that there weren't any public or outward signs of Antifa anywhere at January 6th.
00:08:25.180 No. Well, I mean, look, it's not actually that difficult to dress up as a Trump supporter, is it?
00:08:31.540 You don, you don the MAGA hat, you put a MAGA hat on, you're a Trump supporter.
00:08:36.280 And so it's not like it's an elaborate disguise isn't required actually to blend in.
00:08:42.520 And I do seem to remember that there were people talking on Reddit about, you know, going to the Capitol and causing trouble.
00:08:50.520 And that's right. Wasn't there a it wasn't there a bit?
00:08:54.780 It was like wear your hat backwards or wear it upside down or something like that.
00:08:58.340 That was going to be a thing. Yes. Yes, there was.
00:09:00.820 So, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think it's it stands to it stands to reason that, you know,
00:09:06.980 there probably were leftist agitators there.
00:09:09.120 It's a it's a great way. It's a great way to, you know, to to generate negative publicity.
00:09:16.460 It's a great way to discredit people is to associate them with political violence.
00:09:21.260 And it doesn't take much to to infiltrate, you know, a MAGA rally just by wearing a MAGA hat.
00:09:28.720 And this is what this is what leftists do. This is what leftists do.
00:09:32.200 And by the way, in fact, we should what I one of the questions and I wasn't at the press conference today, but, you know,
00:09:38.100 if I were, I would love to know whether or not they had identified did this individual.
00:09:43.020 And is there any evidence that he late because this was done late in the evening of January 5th?
00:09:48.320 So is there any evidence that he himself went and then participated in the march at all on January 6th?
00:09:55.180 What was he up to the day after when presumably he was expecting either these bombs, number one, to go off or number two, to be used as some sort of distraction?
00:10:05.660 And there are some questions about how exactly these phone calls and the identification of them came in.
00:10:11.300 But let's let's take it out more broadly here, because there is a problem in this country and we've in the United States and in your country, the UK,
00:10:20.620 and really across all of the West right now of leftist violence.
00:10:25.280 That seems to be a theme that a lot of the mainstream, despite horrific acts of violence, has yet to actually pick up one.
00:10:35.240 And it's one where people seem to just they see one of these actions and then they feel bad about it for a little while.
00:10:40.900 And they just move on. Why is it that we haven't really seen that narrative being taken over by the mainstream?
00:10:47.740 Yeah, it's interesting. You know, I mean, a lot of people still think that Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson wasn't a leftist.
00:10:55.980 You know, I mean, there was there was polling done recently, I think, that showed that a very, you know,
00:11:01.360 a small minority of people of Americans actually think that Charlie Kirk's killer was a leftist when it's obvious.
00:11:10.780 He was a leftist. You know, all the evidence points to him being a leftist.
00:11:13.740 And you only need to actually look at the nature of the crime itself and to what it's achieved,
00:11:19.380 which is to sow complete chaos on the right and to make it much, much harder for the right in the US to organize.
00:11:27.560 You know, I mean, it's it's it's impossible really to overemphasize just how important Charlie Kirk was to the future of populism,
00:11:36.280 to the future of the right in America. I mean, he was a star. He was going to be working for, you know, 20, 30 more years with his with his unparalleled network that he'd created,
00:11:46.240 with his personal charisma, with his drive and dedication and sense of mission.
00:11:51.520 And they killed him. And it's it's thrown the American right into into chaos, into infighting.
00:12:00.420 And that's exactly what you do. You know, if you're committed to political violence, as the left is, that's what you do.
00:12:06.680 You target the major figures, you target the key players, you know, you assassinate them, you degrade your opponent's capability to organize.
00:12:15.420 So it stands to rights that a leftist would what you know, this is what a leftist would do.
00:12:19.940 And then we have all this information about Tyler Robinson's trans boyfriend, girlfriend, his furry obsession,
00:12:26.620 the kind of things that he's looking at on the Internet, the kind of person he just seems to be.
00:12:31.620 And yet for some strange reason, despite all the other acts of leftist terrorism that we're witnessing as well,
00:12:38.500 and that actually have been forgotten. So, you know, I harp on about something that happened in February quite a lot.
00:12:45.040 This chap called Ryan Michael English, a transgender male, tried to kill the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson.
00:12:51.840 He went to the, he went to the Capitol with Molotov cocktails. He had a manifesto, he said, or writings on his, on his, in his possession.
00:13:02.560 And he said that he wanted to kill Scott Besson. He wanted to burn down the Heritage Foundation.
00:13:07.920 He had a long list of conservative right-wing Trump targets.
00:13:13.300 And that's just been completely forgotten. And I find it very strange, actually, that people aren't joining the dots here,
00:13:20.020 because there's a very clear pattern that's emerged. It's exactly the pattern you would expect.
00:13:25.020 This isn't surprising. But nonetheless, only a minority of people really seem to understand the nature of the situation that America is in right now.
00:13:37.580 And it's, it's quite strange. And I wonder why as well, this exists, because it seems that there is a, a, a, an issue of scale, I suppose.
00:13:51.640 But there's something that there's a piece that you wrote before about what it is specifically about the trans movement.
00:13:58.440 You wrote this for humanevents.com and trans individuals, where they view the things that Charlie was saying,
00:14:06.000 and the things that Trump is doing to ban and get rid of trans specifically, it's the bans on child gender manipulation,
00:14:16.240 this gender surgery that you viewed as an actual precursor and a catalyst to violent action.
00:14:22.720 Yes. Well, I think, I think what you have to understand is that every kind of society, every kind of social grouping wants to reproduce itself.
00:14:32.280 Right. The normal way for people to reproduce is, is biologically, is through having sex and having children.
00:14:39.000 But that isn't how the trans movement, that isn't how the trans grouping reproduces itself.
00:14:45.120 Transgender people reproduce themselves through gender reassignment surgery and taking hormones, right.
00:14:52.600 That's how you get more trans people. That's how you continue the trans movement, is you get people to have surgery,
00:14:59.280 you get people to have medical interventions. And so what's happening is Trump is banning
00:15:06.400 or placing a moratorium on these, on these medical procedures. And suddenly it means you don't get more trans people.
00:15:14.840 You certainly don't get more trans children and trans teenagers.
00:15:18.000 So I think you have to understand that, you know, transgender people are already heavily, heavily radicalized.
00:15:24.960 They're, they're among probably the most radical leftists. And now what you've got is you've got the Trump administration
00:15:33.480 taking away their means of reproduction. So it's an existential crisis for them.
00:15:37.680 It is actually an existential threat. And so that's why these people are, I think, the most dangerous, um,
00:15:45.640 of the radical leftists in America today, because they're actually, they feel they are facing an existential threat.
00:15:52.080 And, you know, they say trans people are being murdered by Nazis and what they actually mean...
00:15:57.640 They talk about the, uh, the, the, the trans genocide that's going on that no one can seem to point to or find or see.
00:16:03.640 Yeah. And it's not that, it's not that transgender people are being killed.
00:16:07.600 It's that transgender people are being prevented from coming into existence because they can't have these radical surgeries.
00:16:15.440 And so, you know, the, I, I said at the beginning, uh, you know, the beginning of the Trump administration, we've,
00:16:20.800 this is the, this is the demographic that we need to watch. This is where the real, the hardcore killers,
00:16:26.880 the kind of leftist jihadis are going to come from because they're the ones who have the most to lose from the Trump agenda.
00:16:34.120 Well, and, and the instability that's inherent there, which is something, and I've said it again and again,
00:16:40.260 that if you go back to the great horror writers and horror, uh, the movies even used to understand this silence of the lambs,
00:16:50.520 who is the killer, but who is Buffalo Bill Buffalo Bill is trans. He's trying to make a literally change his skin to that of a woman.
00:17:00.120 And that is why he is killing women. That's why you you're putting the lotion on the skin, right?
00:17:04.400 So he can cut your skin off and wear it as a skin suit, uh, psycho Norman Bates, the dead mother,
00:17:10.920 where he then, uh, tries to turn himself into his mother. Again, this trope has been around for years and years
00:17:18.460 because there's something about the psychology there that is inherently lethal and inherently brutal.
00:17:25.520 The rejection of self, the rejection of reality. Right back. Jack Posobiec, raw egg nationalist.
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00:17:42.620 Jack. He's done a great job.
00:17:45.120 All right, Jack Posobiec. We are back live human events daily. We're digging in more and more as
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00:20:04.880 egg nationalist. He has a new book out that's very interesting because we're talking about,
00:20:12.400 so let's go back to Tyler Robinson, right? Someone who is a committed leftist, someone who is in a
00:20:17.600 homosexual relationship with a man that was transitioning, someone who was a furry. And
00:20:25.440 Dr. Charles Cornish, Dale, Dr. Cornish, Dale, is there any type of name that you would ascribe to
00:20:33.160 this sort of man that would do something like that? Yeah, well, I mean, I would imagine he is a low
00:20:41.020 testosterone individual, certainly. And, you know, possibly one of the last men. Yeah, one of the
00:20:46.940 last men, indeed, one of the last men of the title of the book, which is The Last Men, Liberalism and
00:20:52.140 the Death of Masculinity. You know, who is the last man? Well, the last man is a character taken from
00:20:58.140 the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, popularized much more widely by Francis Fukuyama in his end of
00:21:04.320 history thesis. And in my book, then, The Last Man is this kind of archetypal modern man who has low
00:21:13.940 testosterone, who is probably left wing rather than right wing. And, you know, a big part of the book
00:21:20.940 actually is talking about how testosterone is associated with political affiliation. There are
00:21:26.900 studies, there are lots of studies in social psychology, for example, that suggest that men with
00:21:33.260 higher testosterone have greater in-group preference, for example. So in-group preference is basically,
00:21:39.620 let's say, a preference for your own tribe. So the kind of civilizational collapse that we're seeing in
00:21:46.540 testosterone levels across the Western world really probably does have aggregate political effects. And
00:21:54.620 one of those aggregate political effects may be to drive people, especially men, towards the left or
00:22:00.120 certainly away from the right, away from trusting what would be their natural instincts that would
00:22:05.400 be fostered by testosterone, which would be to be patriotic, to show in-group preference,
00:22:12.320 to accept hierarchy. That's another thing that's associated with testosterone is hierarchy. So
00:22:19.240 hormones are political. It doesn't really get said enough. And that's something that I'm trying to
00:22:25.520 correct in the book, I'm trying to say. Well, and just to throw out a piece of information that
00:22:31.240 might back this up, in some of the leaked information that's come out on this relationship
00:22:35.240 that Tyler Robinson was in with his gay lover, Lance Twiggs, was that one of the former friends,
00:22:42.180 former roommates of them had mentioned that Twiggs was taking something called black market HRT,
00:22:48.880 or black market hormone replacement therapy. And there's a variety of Chinese examples of this that
00:22:54.520 I've dug into, certainly not that I've tried myself, but that are apparently very easy to
00:23:00.660 procure online. And they do describe his downward spiral as associating with a rise in the more he
00:23:08.040 took, seeing the more he took these things, the more leftist he became. Yeah, I mean, that is,
00:23:13.560 that is totally believable. And, you know, I was talking about this, this, how transgender people
00:23:20.040 reproduce. Well, one of the ways they reproduce is through, through the use of hormones, through the
00:23:27.060 use of estrogen, if you're transitioning from male to female and testosterone, if you're going the other
00:23:33.420 way. And, you know, radical leftists, radical transgender people use websites like Reddit, not only to
00:23:43.760 organize politically, but also actually to organize the distribution of, like you say, these black market
00:23:50.640 hormonal treatments, because it's essential for their reproduction, for people who believe they're
00:23:56.620 transgender, or people who've been led to believe that they're transgender, to take these hormones. And
00:24:01.580 yeah, absolutely. I mean, hormonal dysfunction is driving leftism, I believe. And it's worth mentioning,
00:24:11.120 actually, as well, you know, I mean, we tend to associate aggression, because of kind of pop culture,
00:24:16.280 pop science, we tend to associate aggression with testosterone. But actually, aggression is also
00:24:21.980 associated with estrogen. Estrogen modulates aggression in very, very interesting ways. If you
00:24:27.720 give monkeys, if you give male macaques estrogen, they will become basically incel monkeys. There's a
00:24:35.320 very funny study about this, where they gave male macaques estrogen from soy, and it turned them into
00:24:41.260 basically passive aggressive kind of incel monkeys, they would retreat from their fellow
00:24:46.140 monkeys in the troop and become more aggressive, more kind of bitchy. So it's, it's wrong, I think,
00:24:53.780 to think that, you know, just because these, if these people are taking estrogen, they don't.
00:24:57.220 It's a different type of aggression. It's more of this, this angry, like, clawing at you kind of
00:25:03.080 aggression. Dr. Cornersdale, I'd love, I'd love to chat more. We're just out of time. Show us the book
00:25:08.720 again. Tell us where to get it. Yeah, The Last Men, Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity.
00:25:13.140 It's available for pre-order from Amazon.com right now in hardback and audiobook format,
00:25:19.460 releasing December the 16th. I know what I'm reading this Christmas. Dr. Cornersdale,
00:25:24.240 Charles Cornersdale, it is great to see you here in the Human Events studio. We'll be right back with
00:25:29.180 an official from the Department of Home Rights Group.
00:25:33.800 Where is Jack? Where is Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.
00:25:43.340 Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always
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00:27:03.640 Very excited to have now the Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security, Trisha McLaughlin, joins us.
00:27:09.500 Trisha, how are you?
00:27:10.160 Hey, Jack. I'm great. How are you?
00:27:13.720 Doing well. Now, obviously, I know we just saw the DOJ's press conference there regarding the capture
00:27:19.700 of this suspected pipe bomber. I wanted to ask from your perspective on the DHS side, because the
00:27:26.980 Secret Service falls under your purview, are you able to tell us if DHS played a role in this
00:27:31.700 investigation? Homeland Security investigations did play some role, but I have to give full credit to
00:27:39.580 Kach Patel and Attorney General Pam Bondi. They really led the team and the administration on
00:27:45.600 this, so they deserve full credit, though our Homeland Security investigations team did lend a hand.
00:27:51.700 Well, of course, and obviously with any federal activity in Washington, D.C., I certainly know from
00:27:57.820 personal experience there's always a lot of overlapping footprints, especially there on Capitol Hill,
00:28:03.160 where every agency kind of has quasi-jurisdiction. It almost goes seat by seat. And of course,
00:28:08.860 just the way investigations run, different sources might be in one database that pairs up with another
00:28:14.800 database. And so it's good to hear, by the way, that it sounds like the different agencies are
00:28:19.540 communicating and using that interagency process, which perhaps may have been one of the things that
00:28:24.740 held up this investigation prior to this arrest.
00:28:28.880 Jack, you're completely correct. And I will say, when we came into this administration on January 20th,
00:28:34.280 we were saying that all of our intelligence agencies and offices were really operating in silos. There was
00:28:39.760 little to no information sharing. We were saying that there was tons of gaps of information. And so
00:28:45.580 President Trump, I mean, he brought his cabinet together and really ordered that those silos be
00:28:50.920 broken down. And we've had unbelievable amounts of information sharing, especially on the immigration
00:28:56.720 front when we're dealing with, especially financial fraud. Treasury Secretary Scott Bassett has been
00:29:03.440 absolutely phenomenal. The IRS has been involved. And so it really has been a whole of government
00:29:09.240 approach. I can't speak about a recent operation out of Virginia, though, that Homeland Security
00:29:15.760 investigations, the FBI, and we really had a whole of government approach. And was this individual,
00:29:21.800 he's an Afghan national, and he came in under Biden's Operation Allies Welcome in September of 2021.
00:29:28.780 Turns out he's a member of ISIS-K. He's a terrorist. His father was a commander of a militia
00:29:34.820 in Afghanistan. And yet this individual was allowed into our country. He was given
00:29:38.840 temporary protected status. He was arrested yesterday and will no longer be able to terrorize
00:29:44.880 the people of America. He will face justice. And so we're really proud of that as an administration,
00:29:51.060 because it really was a whole of government approach. And we're going to get more of these
00:29:54.640 guys out of this country. Well, that's right. And ISIS-K, of course, being the ISIS affiliate,
00:30:00.480 primarily associated with Afghanistan and those Central Asian countries, some of the former Soviet
00:30:06.920 countries up there, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, et cetera, but then also into Afghanistan as well.
00:30:12.720 They've been trying to get into the United States for quite some time. But, you know, just cutting back to,
00:30:17.280 you know, what you mentioned about the information silos, that was what always made me bang my head
00:30:22.540 against the wall so much when I was in the intelligence community that we'd be working
00:30:27.100 on a problem set and I would need a piece of information because I'm, you know, it's like
00:30:32.760 looking at a puzzle, but you know you're missing a few pieces. And then having a very good idea that,
00:30:38.960 you know, it's like my, my, I know my five-year-old stole that piece and he hid it somewhere and I want
00:30:43.940 to get it from him and I keep asking him where he is and he keeps telling me either that he doesn't
00:30:49.360 have that piece or he doesn't know where it is. And ultimately it would be because people didn't
00:30:54.560 want to share. And because people in Washington DC, particularly in the intelligence community and
00:31:00.280 the national security agencies, they use this to try to burnish their power, to keep their fiefdoms
00:31:06.620 going. And you, you see a lot of this in the interagency where a certain, I'm not going to name
00:31:12.100 many agencies, but certain agencies that, uh, that are around like to kind of big foot other
00:31:17.940 agencies and play these games. They, they just play games and ultimately who suffers are the
00:31:22.900 American people and our national security. You're completely correct. And it really is amazing
00:31:27.980 as kind of more of an outsider. I was in the first Trump administration, but I'm not a government
00:31:32.680 bureaucrat. Um, so coming back into the administration under president Trump and seeing how it operates
00:31:39.380 in the intelligence silos, the fact of the matter is it's turf wars. People don't want to give credit
00:31:44.560 where credit's due. People don't want to give information that would advance investigations that
00:31:50.040 would help our national security because perhaps themselves or their boss won't get credit. It won't
00:31:55.600 go to their particular agency. I think within these, uh, really bureaucratic systems that people forget
00:32:02.600 that they're actually serving our nation, our homeland, and that's their ultimate goal is to serve the
00:32:07.760 American people. I don't know how that gets lost. Uh, but, but it certainly does. And I think president
00:32:13.660 Trump has done a phenomenal job of bringing back the American people into the four focus, which is
00:32:20.000 exactly what it should be. Well, I couldn't agree more. And that's when I hear the attorney general
00:32:24.700 saying that, Hey, this, uh, this information was collecting dust on the shelf. It just makes me think
00:32:30.920 what other pieces of information, what documents are sitting, collecting dust on the shelf about
00:32:37.100 people that we don't even know about people who, by the way, may have come into this country under
00:32:41.720 false pretenses. Perhaps we used to call that derogatory information or D ROG. And so perhaps
00:32:46.900 that information is actually out there. For example, you know, we had this information about the
00:32:51.480 radicalization of that Afghan national that came in and then ultimately went and conducted this horrific
00:32:57.700 shooting of our national guards right there in Washington, DC. Um, these were preventable.
00:33:03.300 These were preventable because they were just not vetted on their way in. No, they weren't vetted on
00:33:08.440 their way in. And that is astounding to hear. It's now been within one week, uh, three individuals who
00:33:15.540 have been arrested. Unfortunately, of course, one of those who took the live of Sarah Beckstrom,
00:33:20.880 uh, an American hero, national guardsman. Uh, but Jack, the fact of the matter is the Biden
00:33:27.040 administration was virtually doing no vetting when they were allowing almost 200,000 Afghan nationals
00:33:33.720 into this country. They were not doing biometric, uh, data vetting. They weren't, um, doing social
00:33:40.480 media vetting. They weren't doing criminal background checks, cyber checks. They weren't doing financial
00:33:46.320 crime checks. None of this was happening. So secretary gnome really had to overhaul that entire
00:33:52.620 system. When they were doing, uh, asylum interviews, they weren't checking in on an annual basis, which
00:33:58.720 should have been happening. And had that been happening, this individual, as you mentioned,
00:34:02.480 was radicalized while he was in the United States, he might've been caught.
00:34:07.980 No, he absolutely might've been caught. And, and those texts were coming in would certainly make
00:34:12.140 sense because who would you want to check other than someone who had served with the United States
00:34:17.360 military, who understood by the way, understood our military SOPs, understood our force protection
00:34:22.800 levels, understood how we operate, understand how we communicate someone who absolutely is familiar
00:34:28.060 with those things. So could easily, unfortunately know how to conduct an attack like this. And as
00:34:34.480 horrific as it was, you would think that those are the people that the previous administration,
00:34:38.720 if they were going to let them in, would have been watching the closest, but of course they weren't.
00:34:43.960 No, you're absolutely right, Jack. It's, it's really horrifying, especially we know
00:34:48.720 that within, uh, the interior of our country, since the start of the administration, we have arrested
00:34:54.540 at least a thousand known or suspected terrorists. Uh, 20 million people, you know, came into this
00:35:01.920 country in the past four years under Joe Biden. Of course, there's 190,000 Afghan nationals coming in
00:35:08.220 under operation allies, welcome. And then the millions of individuals who came in with little
00:35:13.920 to no vetting under these parole programs like CHNV or these temporary protected statuses that were
00:35:20.020 just absolutely exploited. So in that case, it could be illegal or someone who has this, you know,
00:35:26.840 one of these papers that's, that's come in that 1000 number would include both.
00:35:32.320 No, that would just include those who are in this country illegally. That doesn't even include those
00:35:36.620 who are potentially legally in this country. Oh no. Yes. That, and that's a huge reason why
00:35:42.980 President Trump has instructed Secretary Noem to give him this list of, uh, countries of which right
00:35:48.840 now they're in 19, but we're expecting that to really expand because that vetting was so out of
00:35:55.160 control. We can't be giving out more immigration benefits. We have to be really reviewing who's in
00:36:00.380 this country under asylum, under a green card, because if we know that they weren't vetting,
00:36:05.540 there could be far, far more terrorists in this country. That's exactly right. Tricia,
00:36:09.240 quick, quick break, because I do want to ask you more about that. When we come back from commercial,
00:36:13.440 this is quite possibly one of the most important issues facing our entire country right now.
00:36:17.340 Right back. Human events daily.
00:36:35.260 Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it.
00:36:40.920 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
00:36:44.460 And we're going to turn it around and make our country quite a good day. Amen.
00:36:51.840 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back live here. Human events daily. We're on with the Assistant
00:36:58.400 Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Tricia McLaughlin. Tricia, I have to ask you,
00:37:02.840 President Trump, of course, made comments regarding new raids that he's been looking to
00:37:09.000 really emphasize and prioritize regarding Minneapolis, the community up there, this
00:37:14.320 this fraud community. We've seen a lot on Twitter, social media, people saying that this is going
00:37:19.900 on, that this is happening. What can you tell us about what is happening in specifically this
00:37:25.940 community in Minneapolis?
00:37:28.420 Well, I can confirm that ICE is on the ground in Minneapolis. USCIS has been doing an ongoing and
00:37:37.320 really robust investigation, in particular on visa and marriage fraud. What they found is almost half
00:37:45.060 of immigration cases that they've reviewed have had some sort of fraud or exploitation. So, of course,
00:37:51.520 those are going to be turned over to the Department of Justice for charges and for arrests. As far as
00:37:57.140 ICE being on the ground there, I actually just looked at a report right as I was getting into the
00:38:03.140 chair, Jack, some really heinous arrests that were just made in the last 24 to 48 hours on the ground there
00:38:10.380 in Minneapolis. We're talking about multiple child pedophiles, people who do have terrorist ties, people who have
00:38:17.240 been involved in gang and criminal activity, and of course, the fraud and the marriage fraud that we've known and
00:38:24.820 heard about.
00:38:25.360 Well, and when you look at this community and a number of these communities, it seems like this information
00:38:34.000 was out there, that this information was compiled. The investigators had it. HSI had it. USCIS had it. But it just
00:38:40.840 wasn't getting acted upon, was it? The same way we just heard from the attorney general in this case.
00:38:46.120 No, I think it was a problem of, again, the Biden administration not enforcing the rule of law, them saying an
00:38:52.740 exploitation of the system and often being a part of that exploitation of the system. Tim Walls, I mean,
00:39:00.740 either he's complicit or he's an idiot. I think that he definitely knew about this and has just been
00:39:06.300 has been in some part involved in this. The amount of money we've seen, though, the taxpayer dollars
00:39:13.180 paying for this exploitation and really a lot of the criminal activity that we've seen. There was just
00:39:18.520 actually a report shockingly out of The New York Times, where there are these shell companies that
00:39:24.640 were created to funnel money from government agencies and what should have been social safety
00:39:30.720 nets for American citizens and said they were being siphoned through fraud and to line individuals'
00:39:37.180 pockets, primarily people who are here on visas. And unfortunately, that cost the American taxpayers over
00:39:44.160 a billion dollars. And yet we saw very few arrests under this was happening throughout the Biden
00:39:49.580 administration. And it's only now that the Trump administration comes into office that people are
00:39:53.980 actually being charged and they're actually going to be brought to justice. And as crazy as this is,
00:40:02.060 you look at these types of programs that were letting people in, unvetted, that there's so much
00:40:08.560 fraud, they're so much they're rife with corruption. And it really seems as though these were just
00:40:15.080 handouts for our country to bring in some of the worst actors in a variety and not just in Minneapolis,
00:40:21.240 but in many of these communities. Obviously, Ohio, you and I talked about that quite a bit last year
00:40:27.280 where you're from and and so many other of these communities. It it seems as though, to your point,
00:40:33.300 you know, Tim Walls, the governor there, Joe Biden, when he was the president, Mayorkas,
00:40:39.620 when he was the former secretary. I don't think that they were just looking the other way. I think
00:40:43.960 that they were. And this is just my opinion. I think that this was something that they supported
00:40:47.400 in the New York Times. It's amazing, by the way, that the New York Times suddenly finds out about
00:40:52.360 this fraud because all of these cases were going on while Tim Walls was the candidate for the vice
00:40:57.440 presidency last year. We talked about them here on this show. I had Liz Collin from Alpha
00:41:03.140 News coming on, talking about it when we got to the 57th, 57th defendant and the 58th defendant
00:41:09.620 and the 59th defendant as it went on and on and on. And they were bribing jurors with, you know,
00:41:14.760 bags of cash, $120,000 in cash. Interesting how the New York Times just didn't seem to be interested
00:41:20.440 last year. No, you're so right. One of the most important elections of our lifetime made you
00:41:26.460 completely willfully ignore it. That's Jackie makes such a good point. But it's not just out of
00:41:32.960 Minneapolis. What we saw is the creation of these parole programs that really were just a rubber
00:41:39.680 stamp to let people in. It was to control the optics from the border as they created, say,
00:41:45.500 CHNV, Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, Venezuela. That really just was a rubber stamp to let these people into
00:41:52.500 the country who would have otherwise come through the border illegally. It was an optics and political
00:41:57.600 play by the Biden administration. A friend brought it up to me actually and said, this was really just
00:42:03.120 like legalizing murder and saying that you solved the problem of violent crime. And he's exactly right.
00:42:09.760 So I think that this is something we first of all stopped these programs. We also are looking at
00:42:14.900 who was let in here, who hasn't left yet and getting them the heck out of our country.
00:42:20.100 Well, it's exactly right. And, you know, we saw, of course, you know, I'm from Philadelphia. So I
00:42:27.040 remember the, you know, what they used to do is they would claim that murders were down because
00:42:32.260 they would start scheduling or recategorizing different things as not a homicide. It was,
00:42:39.120 this is an accidental death. This was a suicide or, oh, this actually took place outside the bounds of
00:42:44.120 Philadelphia. So they would play all these games over and over and over. And then eventually what we also
00:42:49.580 saw in the Biden administration with the statistics that they, that the, some of the large cities,
00:42:53.220 New York, LA, they weren't reporting their homicide data to the FBI. So they could walk around and say
00:42:58.520 murders are down, right? Cause you're not counting them anymore. It's then, and it's something where
00:43:03.060 it's just patently obvious where people could see on the ground. If you're living in Minneapolis,
00:43:06.500 if you're living in one of these places, Springfield, Ohio, any of these, these areas,
00:43:10.800 you can see that your quality of life has been severely diminished and you can go and look outside and
00:43:16.420 realize that you are surrounded by, you're just being surrounded by migrants that are in the
00:43:21.560 country under some very vague pretense of, of being there. And it's, and it's really as simple as that.
00:43:28.940 And it doesn't surprise me that DHS, that the more you look into these, these organizations and
00:43:35.360 these situations, you're finding them completely rife with fraudulent claims. You mentioned, you
00:43:42.420 mentioned, so the 19 countries that are currently on the, on the list, you mentioned there may be
00:43:47.000 plans to expand. Can you tell us any of the countries? And if not, can you tell us what are
00:43:51.500 some of the, some of the aspects and features that you're looking for of countries that may
00:43:55.800 make it to that list? Well, Secretary Noem gave President Trump a recommendation. I believe it was
00:44:01.840 on Tuesday evening. And so he's looking at that list and he'll be evaluating it. But Jack, this is a
00:44:07.540 list that was very much created with robust data and analysis. It's first of all, looking, do these
00:44:13.840 governments, do these regimes hate the United States of America? That should be really what we
00:44:18.820 first look at, because to some degree, when individuals are coming from their country of
00:44:22.800 origin to ours, we collect information from those governments. So if you're trying to collect
00:44:28.220 information from the Taliban on an individual should be coming into our country, or if they serve the
00:44:34.520 American people's best entrance, we can ignore what the Taliban says. That's exactly why President
00:44:40.660 Trump has said we need to be pausing all immigration benefits there. So we're looking at regimes, or is
00:44:47.420 this government being run by a terrorist organization? We can't take the risk of then letting an individual
00:44:53.420 into our country from there. And then secondly, we're really looking at leading indicators. What's the
00:44:58.720 likelihood that this individual is going to come into our country and either engage in fraud, criminal
00:45:03.640 activity or be a public charge? So using our social safety net as a hammock, and really not bringing
00:45:10.020 any benefit to the American people, and instead, really just using American taxpayer resources that
00:45:17.540 should be going to the American citizen. Well, that's right. And in some of these countries,
00:45:22.120 and I remember this coming up in the first admin as well, where, you know, people are trying to come
00:45:26.440 in, they don't have good databases, they don't have biometric data, they don't have records keeping in
00:45:32.660 many of these parts of the world. So to say, oh, we checked our databases, we couldn't find any
00:45:36.640 information, that's because you don't even have a database. Yeah, it makes no sense. That's why it
00:45:42.540 really does amaze me every time I put on CNN or MSNBC or MSN Now that there are these talking heads on
00:45:50.040 there saying, oh, these Afghan refugees and those who came into this country under parole were fully
00:45:55.440 vetted. I can promise you, I think, how the heck, when you see the chaos, I mean, you can see with your
00:46:01.100 own eyes, it's military-aged men just being shipped in masses into our country. There's
00:46:06.240 just no question. 30 seconds. 30 seconds to the end. By the way, Assistant Secretary McLaughlin,
00:46:12.940 I want to ask you a quick question, yes or no. If you lie about marital status during a
00:46:18.860 naturalization process, could that be grounds for denaturalization? Yes. Oh, it certainly is.
00:46:25.120 Thank you so much for joining us here on Human Events Daily. Ladies and gentlemen, as always,
00:46:28.560 you have my permission to lay short.