Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - August 27, 2026


JOSH SHAPIRO CAUGHT LYING ABOUT 'MEASLES DEATHS' IN PENNSYLVANIA


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00:00:00.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.
00:00:12.620 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:19.280 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
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00:01:49.140 So far this year, there have been 393 confirmed cases of measles in Pennsylvania. That is the
00:01:56.800 highest number of measles cases since 1992. Nearly 20 percent of those cases have resulted
00:02:05.880 in someone being hospitalized. It's important to note that every single one of those cases
00:02:12.860 was someone who is not fully vaccinated. And just this morning, the Pennsylvania Department
00:02:18.960 of Health announced the first two measles-associated deaths in Pennsylvania in 35 years.
00:02:26.460 We're trying to get information about those two casualties. According to a statement that was
00:02:37.740 released by the Lancaster County Commissioner today they cannot find any measles deaths in
00:02:44.560 Lancaster County and they complain that the governor will not give them that information
00:02:51.020 the CDC tried to get that information from the governor yesterday and the state is refusing to
00:02:57.580 cooperate well ladies y'all welcome on board today's edition of human events daily here on
00:03:05.000 real america's voice today is august 27th 2026 anno domini josh shapiro governor of pennsylvania
00:03:14.300 he's up there all giddy hopping around pulling himself up on his tiptoes to that press conference
00:03:24.520 saying we got two deaths from measles two deaths from measles big measles outbreak in pennsylvania
00:03:30.980 and deaths from measles that he's saying are Bobby Kennedy's fault and the Maha agenda's fault
00:03:37.140 and President Trump's fault. And more importantly than all that, the underlying subtext here is that
00:03:46.020 he's blaming the Amish community. Why? Because Lancaster, PA is the largest concentration of
00:03:53.500 the Amish anywhere in America. It's the largest settlement of Amish. The religious freedom of
00:03:59.460 Amish Christians. And of course, Josh Shapiro doesn't care about Amish religious freedom the
00:04:04.800 same way that he sued the little sisters of the poor for trying to force them under Obamacare
00:04:11.160 mandates to have contraception. So Josh Shapiro hates Christians. This is obvious if you've met 0.98
00:04:17.620 him for five minutes, and I've known him for almost 20 years now. I can't believe it's been
00:04:22.520 almost 20 years since the first time I met this little elf. Angry little elf. And he's been caught
00:04:29.700 in a big lie. He's been caught in a big, big lie. This isn't the first time he's lied about deaths
00:04:35.120 in Pennsylvania. Go ask the family of Ellen Greenberg about that. But no, because you see,
00:04:42.640 Lancaster County, when asked about this, said they don't have any evidence of deaths from measles
00:04:50.480 in their county they don't have any and in fact they recorded two deaths recently
00:04:57.120 and the one was from it's very unfortunate very sad a baby that passed away an infant
00:05:05.620 with a ruptured spleen
00:05:07.320 and just because the infant had measles at the time josh shapiro said it was from measles but
00:05:16.660 this wasn't true. And more importantly, Josh Shapiro's office knew it wasn't true. And even
00:05:23.200 the Phil, the far left rag, the Philadelphia Inquirer reached out to Shapiro's office and
00:05:30.120 made sure that, excuse me, they reported that the local officials reached out to Josh Shapiro's
00:05:37.080 office and told him that even before the press conference, he's trying to start a measles panic
00:05:44.300 to swing the midterms he's running for re-election as governor but more importantly we all know
00:05:50.120 what's going on he's trying to run a shadow campaign for president and he is going to be
00:05:54.800 the candidate of big pharma he's going to be the president of vaccines he's going to be the
00:05:58.900 president of the science because the candidate right the candidate of big pharma the candidate
00:06:04.900 of vaccines the candidate of i am the science a little bit more squeaky when he talks about i am
00:06:12.580 the science like josh you gotta you gotta speak from the diaphragm there a little bit buddy from
00:06:17.160 the diaphragm josh you'll get there you'll get there one of these days understand what he's
00:06:21.700 doing folks he's demonizing the amish he's demonizing the unvaccinated he's demonizing
00:06:27.160 religious freedom and he's demonizing medical freedom and he doesn't even have the facts on
00:06:32.480 his side bobby kennedy is out there telling the truth and local officials are now pushing back
00:06:38.780 because this angry little elf is trying to hurt people and demonize others
00:06:46.120 to further his own political career yet again.
00:06:50.200 Jack Posobiec, right back, Human Events Daily.
00:07:00.300 Where is Jack? Where is Jack? Where is he?
00:07:06.260 Jack, I want to see you.
00:07:08.780 Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.
00:07:20.800 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec, we are back live, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
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00:08:35.340 Now, we're learning more information
00:08:37.580 regarding Josh Shapiro,
00:08:41.580 regarding the truth about what's come out in this case.
00:08:46.040 And there is, and I do want to give a shout out
00:08:49.080 to a local commissioner down there in Lancaster County
00:08:53.080 who has been just absolutely running point on all of this.
00:08:57.900 And he's put out a lot of information.
00:08:59.540 We here at Human Events Daily have reached out to his office
00:09:02.480 and we're working on getting more information
00:09:07.180 as he's putting it out.
00:09:08.520 Of course, they have a lot of work.
00:09:09.980 So please go and follow him. Commissioner Josh Parsons there locally. And he had a great line about this. I want to be want to be clear. Asking questions and following the facts is not pro measles or anti science. It's what we should all do.
00:09:23.160 And he is trying to follow the evidence as much as he can, because claiming someone died from measles in a highly charged political press conference like Governor Shapiro did is very different than saying and blaming it on the unvaccinated is very different than waiting for all the medical facts to come together.
00:09:44.560 And in fact, the Lancaster County coroner has said that there are zero reported measles deaths in Lancaster County.
00:09:52.060 All right. Very clear. The Lancaster County coroner has reported there are zero deaths from measles.
00:09:58.740 And of course, there's there's there's it goes deeper and deeper into all this.
00:10:02.680 We talk about this, by the way, and on humans, socialist revolution.
00:10:07.620 And this is a tactic called micro revolutions.
00:10:10.040 And if you want to learn about that tactic, of course, the new book is the new edition of the book is up for presale.
00:10:15.700 And a micro revolution is a tactic whereby in Saul Linsky style, a political actor will target a group, will target like in this case, the Amish, the unvaccinated will demonize them like you're seeing Josh Shapiro now do to the Amish.
00:10:30.860 and you will see the media go on and repeat exactly what the Democrats said
00:10:37.160 without any follow-up, without any questions.
00:10:41.520 And I'd love to bring on someone here who knows all about media misinformation
00:10:46.960 and micro-revolutions, of course, because she's the former assistant secretary of DHS.
00:10:53.980 It is Trisha McLaughlin. Trisha, how are you?
00:10:56.940 Jack, it's great to see you. How are you?
00:11:00.040 I'm doing well.
00:11:00.900 It's great to see you, too.
00:11:03.800 But also, Tricia, this is a tactic that you had to deal with every single day at DHS, wasn't it?
00:11:11.060 Oh, every single day.
00:11:12.780 And this is really no different.
00:11:15.160 We also saw this in 2020.
00:11:17.400 Someone would go into the hospital with a gunshot wound.
00:11:20.560 They would pass away, and it would be deemed that they died of COVID.
00:11:24.400 It's amazing to me that the Pennsylvania Department of Public Health, they said, oh,
00:11:30.300 they can't give any further details on the deaths of these individuals because it would violate
00:11:34.900 privacy laws and HIPAA. And yet Governor Josh Shapiro was so bold as to say that none of these
00:11:42.700 people were vaccinated and attribute all of the deaths to measles when it looks like it was
00:11:48.680 anything but. I think that this is going to be a tactic not just for 2026 going forward,
00:11:54.080 but for 2028. Josh Shapiro is certainly trying to insert himself into the conversation and he's
00:12:01.060 going to do it by weaponizing public health. I think that Republicans and really just common
00:12:06.300 sense individuals and Americans need to be aware that this could be a tactic that's going to be
00:12:12.200 used throughout 2028. We saw what happened in 2020. I think a lot of hay was made about COVID-19,
00:12:19.780 of course, outcasting those who refused to take the vaccine. This is going to be something we're
00:12:25.800 going to be seeing. And I hope that reporting like yours, Jack, starts to tamp this down.
00:12:31.560 I'm actually seeing some of the mainstream media, like Politico, really casting some doubt
00:12:36.820 on what Josh Shapiro has to say. But we got to call it out at every turn. We did this with
00:12:41.260 immigration had some success, but can't be, can't relent because that's what they're going to do 1.00
00:12:47.440 to us at every turn. Well, and, and Tricia, the, you know, even to, to bring it back to the, 1.00
00:12:53.160 to immigration, to ICE, to Operation Clean Sweep and all this, that it was, or Metro Sweep. And
00:12:59.820 it was, it was like this every single day where someone on the street, I remember would, would
00:13:04.800 take a video. The video would be completely out of context. That would clip off what happened
00:13:08.420 before what after and then the media would just run with whatever that activist and typically it
00:13:14.000 was always some kind of like far left ice watch activist would be doing by the way we just found
00:13:18.540 out yesterday the state department shut down this website we have an international doxing
00:13:23.320 deep deep web website where antifa was doxing the home addresses of ice agents and ice officers
00:13:30.380 something i know that of course you guys were fighting every single day when you were there
00:13:34.680 That's the reason they wore masks and all the rest, because all of this was real.
00:13:38.000 It was all real.
00:13:39.180 And and then, of course, the media would go to you and, you know, claiming whatever they
00:13:43.720 had, whatever narrative they had sent.
00:13:47.000 And they weren't even actually looking at the real facts themselves.
00:13:51.040 They just wanted to go along with whatever the sensational narrative was.
00:13:54.920 Yeah, they had no interest in the facts.
00:13:56.720 They simply cared about their narrative.
00:13:58.460 I can't tell you the number of times I would work with either the New York Times, Reuters,
00:14:02.540 CNN, the usual suspects, and they give us information on an individual. We tell them
00:14:08.660 about their criminal history, and either that criminal history would not be reported at all,
00:14:13.440 or it would be buried at the bottom paragraph. And they really frame these individuals,
00:14:18.760 rapists, murderers, people who have been convicted of crimes as these innocents.
00:14:23.880 I mean, even if you look at the numbers as far as the criminality of those in this country
00:14:29.300 illegally and those who were arrested. The media would be pushing that. Oh, only a third
00:14:34.080 of individuals who are in this country illegally had a criminal background or a violent criminal
00:14:40.140 background when they're ignoring the fact that drug traffickers, people who distribute child
00:14:46.500 pornography and other really heinous individuals, they would constitute nonviolent criminals,
00:14:53.740 even though they're doing incredibly heinous acts.
00:14:57.540 We deal with that time and time again.
00:15:00.460 It's the same with this public health issue.
00:15:03.080 Josh DeViro is going to twist himself into a pretzel.
00:15:06.380 He's going to twist his narrative into a pretzel
00:15:09.400 in order to really, it's a power grab move.
00:15:12.780 It's a move to get attention.
00:15:14.420 It's fear mongering.
00:15:15.980 And he is trying to villainize people.
00:15:18.920 The fact that he ad nauseum is talking about
00:15:21.020 how these people aren't vaccinated
00:15:22.400 when this is an option for people. It's despicable.
00:15:27.680 Well, and not only that, but it's specifically, he's playing that game, of course, of saying it
00:15:33.460 without saying it because then he knows the media will fill in the blanks for him. When he keeps
00:15:37.160 saying unvaccinated Lancaster, unvaccinated Lancaster over and over and over, he knows that
00:15:42.700 the media will fill in the blank that the largest community in Lancaster of Amish Christians,
00:15:50.120 Their largest settlement is right there in Lancaster.
00:15:53.020 And that, of course, is essentially what he's doing is he's playing this game where he's
00:15:58.180 like, I didn't say anything about the Amish, right? 0.92
00:16:00.060 But we know what you're doing, right?
00:16:01.900 You're demonizing the same.
00:16:03.040 This is the same guy who sued the Little Sisters of the Poor in 2020 because they didn't want
00:16:07.100 to provide coverage for for contraception and abortion and all these other things under
00:16:12.040 Obamacare.
00:16:12.820 So he has no problem whatsoever of going after Christian groups that don't go along with
00:16:18.220 his agenda.
00:16:18.940 And it's the same agenda that we see again and again, where he's going, where he's obviously going for donations from certain pharmaceutical companies in his potential bid for 2020.
00:16:31.040 He's trying to carve a lane for himself.
00:16:32.760 Anyone who works in politics understands what he's doing.
00:16:35.360 But the point of the matter is, is that he's willing to do so and fudge the facts when it comes to this.
00:16:40.800 And the media is so compliant.
00:16:43.200 That's that's that's one thing that will it never surprised me, but it will never cease to amaze me that they just go along with any little thing that he says, even in this case, where it unfortunately is one of them includes the deaths of children.
00:16:58.700 Yeah, I mean, you saw RFK when he was on the Sunday show with Dana Bash,
00:17:03.380 her clearly having no facts, and yet she was really castigating Secretary Kennedy,
00:17:10.180 acting like he was not following, following the science,
00:17:14.060 which of course, if you can question the science, it's actually science.
00:17:17.940 If you can't, then it's propaganda.
00:17:20.020 And that's what I think the Trump administration has done a fantastic job of,
00:17:23.440 is questioning these norms and what actually makes sense.
00:17:26.800 I know for myself, I'm six months pregnant and my husband and I are looking at, you know, what kind of pediatrician, what kind of vaccines or not will we provide for our child?
00:17:36.540 Looking into it for yourself and looking at the new guidance that RFK and HHS have put out, it is very enlightening and in some ways disturbing to see what these children, what the norm has been giving for our children.
00:17:52.060 giving hepatitis B shots as early as days, you know, in days after birth. I mean, unless you're,
00:17:59.620 you know, this child is not shooting up in Vietnam. What are we doing? What is the justification
00:18:04.840 here besides lining the pockets of these big pharmaceutical companies? So I think that for
00:18:11.400 Josh Shapiro, maybe in a primary for the Democrats where they're at so far to the left, really
00:18:17.920 Marxist at this point. Is this going to work? Maybe. But I think the American people writ large,
00:18:24.520 their eyes are very open after 2020 and after what the mainstream media has been trying to
00:18:30.260 force feed us for the last six years. I think that this would fail in a general election.
00:18:35.560 And I think we're going to see it's very unpopular. No, I think you're exactly right.
00:18:40.360 And I wasn't going to out you, by the way, the fact that you are expecting yourself.
00:18:45.140 But you said it, not me
00:18:47.440 So we've got it out there
00:18:48.860 Now Jack Posobiec, Trisha McLaughlin
00:18:50.320 Right back, Human Events Daily
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00:19:15.140 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back live, Real America's Voice, Human Events Daily.
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00:20:26.660 today. So we're on Tricia McLaughlin and, you know, Tricia, so we just talked about these
00:20:33.320 micro revolutions. And for folks who want to understand those tactics, we do have the new
00:20:37.120 book, the new edition, the new expansion, Socialist Revolution on Humans Part 2. And
00:20:44.040 And this is all about the tactics that they are using every day, whether it be the media, whether it be these officials, these false reality attacks or micro revolutions that they launch.
00:20:53.840 So it's not just a revolution against a country. It could be a revolution against a group of people or a single individual.
00:20:58.340 And you see this all the time. They've done it to you personally, Tricia.
00:21:02.520 We all know what these what these are. But but when we see the tactics, I think it's important to to note them.
00:21:09.220 President Trump, though, has decided that he's launching a little bit of a counterrevolution himself.
00:21:15.780 And this is why he's so different from other Republicans, traditional politicians, because he likes to fight fire with fire.
00:21:22.400 And just before we went live here, President Trump officially signed an executive order naming Lake Ontario to Lake America.
00:21:31.500 And this is in response to a not just a trade war, but also issues with Canada and the northern border.
00:21:38.380 So, Tricia, you and I went to the northern border together once.
00:21:42.120 We also, on a trip with the secretary, we also, you've been posting about it.
00:21:48.180 Tell us what's really behind this disagreement between the U.S. and Canada.
00:21:54.580 Well, one of the things is certainly the security of our northern border.
00:21:59.680 We haven't seen Canada in any way step up.
00:22:03.060 and why this is a problem, of course, because who's, first and foremost, it is our job to defend
00:22:08.040 our border. Of course it is. But there are these sectors of quote unquote tribal land
00:22:13.820 that Canada has largely unpoliced. There's no enforcement activity going on there at all.
00:22:20.280 And it becomes cesspools for illegal drugs, for fentanyl, for illicit tobacco and other products
00:22:26.780 that go through really unvetted, unfettered and end up in the United States of America.
00:22:32.580 So it becomes a national security problem for the United States of America because Canada won't do their job and won't actually protect these areas, police them and make sure that they don't become cesspools for organized crime.
00:22:47.340 So what is the USMCA?
00:22:50.160 What is the United States responsibility in this is that we have the economic power, the economic might of the United States of America.
00:22:58.440 We have a huge market that Canada wants to enter.
00:23:01.100 If they're not going to do their job in actually protecting the United States citizens and protecting their own borders, then President Trump and the trade representative are correct to use that that USMCA trade negotiation as leverage to make sure that we keep our national security safe.
00:23:16.860 and and this is a huge deal because for all the talk of the southern border they're ill
00:23:24.540 there are still huge issues uh the scale is different but there are still huge issues at
00:23:29.860 the northern border where we don't want people coming in unfettered and having that kind of
00:23:34.500 access at the northern border as well and that's something of course that we learned going up there
00:23:38.540 and talking to cbp up at the border it's also in many cases canada does not have the same level of
00:23:45.880 protections on their side. And specifically, when President Trump was talking about, you know,
00:23:51.720 changing the name of the lake, well, that's because Canada is not policing the lakes the
00:23:55.500 way they should be. Many of these lakes are the borders. Yeah, absolutely. And I think President
00:24:01.140 Trump, this administration has done a fantastic job because, I mean, the northern border for years
00:24:07.000 and years was largely ignored. The border patrol up there was not getting the equipment that they
00:24:12.380 needed, including winterized equipment. They were getting similar mirrored resources that
00:24:17.740 the southern border was getting. And the Trump administration completely changed that. But we
00:24:23.300 have seen that there's been spikes in known or suspected terrorists trying to get into that
00:24:28.780 northern border, really using the vulnerabilities that Canada has created in order to exploit that
00:24:34.940 northern border and either individuals themselves coming in, cartel members coming in, human
00:24:41.100 trafficking that's increased at that northern border so that the united states is doing
00:24:45.700 everything they can to clamp down but they do need that partnership of canada of which we really
00:24:51.440 haven't seen they're being lazy they're turning a blind eye to these vulnerabilities not just for
00:24:56.880 united states of america but for their country too well and i'm just going to come out and say 0.84
00:25:02.600 when it comes to the trade deal when it comes to the trade issues here china china has always
00:25:07.260 loomed large because China has been dumping their cheap steel into Canada, their prefab
00:25:15.580 manufacturers. So they'll send parts or auto parts of these different things from China
00:25:19.460 to Canada. But then under the USMCA or previously under NAFTA, they'll find loopholes whereby
00:25:25.940 in China can send something to Canada, then Canada slaps a label on it and now all of
00:25:30.720 a sudden it's made in Canada. That is not the way this is set up, but we know China
00:25:36.420 is doing this, and they're paying off so many Canadian politicians to do it.
00:25:41.080 You're absolutely correct. And the other piece of that is there's this huge Chinese market for
00:25:45.900 these illicit tobacco products, of course, fentanyl, and other state-sponsored illicit
00:25:51.100 products that they are expecting to flow into the United States. That northern border is a big
00:25:56.400 way of how they do that. And so us clamping down on that is a huge problem for the Chinese 1.00
00:26:03.320 government and um their market 100 trisha mclaughlin where can people go to follow you 0.81
00:26:10.520 at trisha ohio and x jack it's so good to be with you and thank you for having me
00:26:14.920 you as well and congratulations of course and uh i hope to see some incredible posts soon when you
00:26:21.880 have your baby so folks go and give uh give trisha a big follow and make sure you're tracking 0.97
00:26:27.320 everything that she is putting out because she is fighting the good fight from the sidelines as well
00:26:33.000 now um we are going to be switching back because the lindsey clancy trial is moving to the jury
00:26:38.440 phase and we do need to keep keep up with what's happening inside that courtroom right back human
00:26:43.320 Events Daily, Real Market Sports.
00:27:13.320 One communist among the American advisors at Yalta was one communist too many.
00:27:25.040 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
00:27:29.100 All right, now the case that, I think at this point the whole country's been covering this, been following this, and it has just gone to jury.
00:27:37.380 So Lindsay Clancy's jury has begun deliberations in her murder trial.
00:27:46.000 Prosecutors say she intentionally killed her children, while the defense argues she should not be held criminally responsible because she was suffering from postpartum psychosis.
00:27:56.300 This is, you know, really, really what you saw here.
00:27:59.740 And this and the prosecutors came in with their closing argument and said she acted intentionally, rationally and swiftly to kill her children.
00:28:07.920 They talked about the fact that it was planned.
00:28:09.360 They talked about the fact that she had different murder weapons for each child, the fact that she sent her husband out and the fact that she she knew exactly where to where he was going and the fact that he'd be gone and how long he would be gone.
00:28:24.320 Of course, of course, you know, it all goes to the jury.
00:28:27.440 I'm just going to say right now, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a jury in Massachusetts made up primarily of women would find that would find her not guilty by reason of this, you know, either insanity or temporary insanity. 0.71
00:28:42.820 But I want to get bring on Viva Frye here because he's an attorney.
00:28:46.160 I'm not. And he's been he's been looking at this trial as well.
00:28:51.280 Viva, how are you? Not bad. Not bad.
00:28:53.480 I should say former attorney and out of Quebec, and I never did criminal law, but I've been – you can understand the legal issues at this –
00:29:01.100 He's a legal scholar.
00:29:03.000 He's a legal scholar, let's say.
00:29:04.520 He was a legal scholar.
00:29:05.920 I go with legal analysts at this point in time.
00:29:08.840 I particularly despise the term.
00:29:10.120 That's not bad.
00:29:11.300 I despise the term. 0.97
00:29:12.300 So we now know that – so nine women – it's nine women and three men on the jury.
00:29:17.500 So it's nine women and three men.
00:29:18.800 they're in a place in Plymouth, Massachusetts, extremely liberal abortion up to the very final
00:29:25.760 moment of pregnancy in this area. Juries can do different things, but I'm just saying looking at
00:29:32.460 those facts, it would it would seem to me that that the defense side might have might have a
00:29:40.240 better chance here. That's what I would say. What's your take? Well, my take, and people have
00:29:44.720 to understand it is with neither approval nor admonishment. I say one way or the other,
00:29:49.220 Lindsay should either be incarcerated for the rest of her life or institutionalized for the 0.86
00:29:53.280 rest of her life. And if you feel better saying, well, she's criminally not responsible, 0.79
00:29:56.880 but she's susceptible of going into, you know, bouts of psychotic episodes and murdering people,
00:30:02.820 that's a type of person who still needs to be institutionalized. You know, what's concerning
00:30:08.040 about this case or interesting about this case, I should say, the judge gave his prelim remarks
00:30:12.440 before closing arguments.
00:30:15.140 And I was listening to this judge saying,
00:30:17.700 this judge is setting it up
00:30:18.900 so that any on-the-fence jury members
00:30:21.000 can feel okay finding not guilty
00:30:23.800 by reason of insanity
00:30:24.700 because the judge reminded them,
00:30:26.400 you find you're not guilty
00:30:27.120 by reason of insanity,
00:30:28.100 what's probably going to happen,
00:30:29.540 prosecution's going to move 0.99
00:30:31.420 to have her institutionalized 0.98
00:30:32.560 and it'll be up to me or the judge 1.00
00:30:34.720 to determine the length
00:30:36.380 of any institutionalization
00:30:37.580 and when she should ever get out.
00:30:39.300 It looks like, in my view,
00:30:41.580 listening to the arguments and the prosecution closing arguments, I will not be shocked if it's
00:30:47.840 a finding of not guilty, because any juror on the fence who doesn't feel comfortable saying this
00:30:54.740 woman acted deliberately, even if she was suffering from mental illness and is therefore not criminally
00:30:59.160 responsible, has their out to do it and have the judge say, well, she still gets institutionalized
00:31:04.580 for however many years. But we'll get into the closing arguments. When the prosecution starts
00:31:09.860 off and the first sentence of their closing argument is effectively conceding and repeating
00:31:15.340 but starting off their arguments with the argument of the defense nobody's contesting that she had
00:31:20.000 mental illness uh but we have to argue that she was capable criminally speaking or criminally
00:31:25.340 responsible when she carried out the act that's the worst possible way to start off closing 0.62
00:31:29.800 arguments to say yes we agree she was mentally ill but still responsible i would have started
00:31:34.840 it off by repeating what she did you know showing the pictures and getting to an absolutely brutal
00:31:40.620 emotional opening not coming out and saying nobody denies that she was mentally ill because
00:31:45.620 then the question is just going to be for any juror member who says okay well they just conceded
00:31:49.300 she's mentally ill but now i'm to take their word that she was nonetheless criminally responsible
00:31:53.320 when she strangled to death her three kids slid her wrists in her neck stared in a mirror while 0.89
00:31:57.720 she's dripping blood and then jumped out of a balcony and paralyzed herself i mean it was the
00:32:02.040 worst way to start the closing arguments, in my view. No, I completely agree with you there,
00:32:08.020 because, you know, we've got the situation where it's again, you're you're in a district where,
00:32:15.160 you know, these types of arguments, especially when you consider that this is a stronghold of
00:32:21.800 sort of the Planned Parenthood wing of the Democrat Party when it comes to female issues,
00:32:28.180 when it comes to feminism and particularly the women who were outside that we all saw many times
00:32:33.920 that it seems to me that that's going to be a place where the jury if depending on where they
00:32:41.060 come from and obviously different juries can do different things but I would say the the likelihood
00:32:46.200 is going to be more on that and even the prosecutor may be tacitly acknowledging that but to your
00:32:51.780 point it is the heinous act that took place the deliberate planning that took place and and quite
00:32:59.260 frankly i'm sure you caught this as well that really just i would say game-changing testimony
00:33:06.040 from the psychiatrist at the end of the trial who came up and and said that he believed that
00:33:11.120 she was making it all up that her hallucinations of the command voice did not carry the same
00:33:18.020 characteristics or or features of previous hallucinatory episodes and that this was
00:33:24.940 something that sounded almost he came walked right up the line and say it but he walked right
00:33:28.740 up to the line to saying that she had been coached to say that that's what I think well I mean I
00:33:34.300 appreciate that and I also appreciate in the closing arguments the defense comes out and says
00:33:38.820 even one of the three experts for the prosecution admits or conceded that you know it's 50-50 as to
00:33:44.640 whether or not she was in some form of psychotic episode i which is which is a big problem if you
00:33:49.420 have one of the three experts that admits of that you're not even in the realm of a reasonable doubt
00:33:53.580 you're in like probabilities here um but the issue is most people are going to look at this and say
00:33:59.500 you fundamentally have to be out of your gourd to murder your children and so like you know at some
00:34:05.640 root issue all murder is some form of mental illness the legal question here is whether she's
00:34:11.160 criminally not responsible by reason of insanity because these doctors were basically jacking her
00:34:16.800 up on a cocktail of whatever the hell and not giving her proper treatment, which I think it's
00:34:21.000 sort of conceded that the method that they treated her left something to be desired.
00:34:26.680 But then you get people out there saying, well, look, millions and millions of people are on
00:34:30.280 these types of medications and they don't commit murder. And when they do, they're not let off the
00:34:34.620 hook because of medication. It's going to be heavily fact dependent. And then the only question
00:34:40.160 is you know what they refer to as premeditation is that if a juror if one jury member says that's
00:34:46.200 part of the psychosis i mean this is this is a woman who's absolutely out of her gourd to do
00:34:51.700 something like this and then when the defense is saying well there were superficial wounds on her
00:34:56.780 wrists and neck and she was trying to flee and not kill herself by jumping out of the window
00:35:00.760 i mean look you're you're even the way they're describing it in closing arguments allows of
00:35:07.060 anybody sitting on the fence with reasonable doubt as to criminal responsibility to say,
00:35:11.620 you know, I have a note, I'll take my out and I'll let the judge worry about institutionalizing
00:35:16.380 her. And then it's, it's on him. If something bad happens in the future.
00:35:21.520 No. And, and, and that's, that's, that's a huge part of it because, you know, he's,
00:35:26.300 he's looking for ways to be sympathetic. He's looking for ways to play to the jury.
00:35:30.580 He's looking for ways that, again, I was also, by the way, I also heard that. So,
00:35:35.140 and let me ask you about this because I also caught and I was on air as a lot of this was
00:35:38.940 breaking and, you know, and by the way, we were in jury watch mode. So it could very well be that
00:35:43.860 this could, uh, this could come back as we're on air. So I am, I am, you know,
00:35:47.980 kind of hitting refresh and all that. But, uh, we were told that they're also allowed to consider
00:35:53.700 manslaughter. So how, Viva, are you able to explain to us a little bit how that would work?
00:35:58.220 How would manslaughter come in here? I don't know if it's, I mean, I don't know how you get
00:36:04.100 guilty of manslaughter if the defense is going to be not guilty by reason of mental defect i i
00:36:09.560 wouldn't venture as to how the intricacies of massachusetts criminal law works there because
00:36:13.780 if you're arguing that she's criminally not responsible because of what they're referring
00:36:16.620 to as mental illness or mental defect i i don't know how you how you then bring that into a
00:36:20.760 manslaughter charge so i might venture yeah and not having looked at the statute myself either
00:36:26.100 as any good legal analyst would do but i do know that in other areas where this comes up it's it's
00:36:31.580 a way to say that, okay, it's not, you know, murder one, it's not intentional premeditated
00:36:36.500 murder, but at the same time, it was reckless endangerment or wanton behavior that led to
00:36:44.820 death. And that may be the combining of medications that may be checking herself out of her inpatient
00:36:51.640 mental health facility, which she was in, I believe in December prior to the murders in
00:36:57.360 January. So a variety of things, you know, leaving herself alone with the children while we know from
00:37:04.700 her own diary that she had thoughts, you know, these these intrusive thoughts, which she later
00:37:10.280 characterized as a command voice of harming herself and harming the children. And so, you know,
00:37:16.160 I could see where a jury would look at that as saying, wait a minute, she knew all these things
00:37:21.860 and she was rational enough to write it down in her diary. Why would she allow herself to continue
00:37:26.680 to be alone with the children if she knew that this is what was going on so uh that being said
00:37:34.060 i am not on the jury so i do not know exactly what is going on in that courtroom jury watch
00:37:38.380 continues in plymouth massachusetts murder trial of lindsey clancy it's coming soon to an end right
00:37:46.200 We'll be back, Jack Posobiec, Viva Fry.
00:38:16.200 so nicely for so long
00:38:46.200 All right, folks, Jack, we're back live, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
00:38:53.940 And as we see, the jury is now out, waiting for them to come back in.
00:39:00.180 We are on verdict watch.
00:39:02.120 We're on verdict watch for the jury in the Lindsay Clancy trial.
00:39:06.300 They've only just begun deliberating.
00:39:08.920 Deliberation certainly could continue for several days.
00:39:12.520 We just don't know.
00:39:13.100 This is one thing we just do not know when it comes to these situations.
00:39:16.660 One thing we do know is that Lindsey Clancy was able to come up with thousands upon thousands of supporters and women who said this could be me.
00:39:28.780 This could have been me or my friend in this situation.
00:39:32.620 Viva, I want to get you in here to comment on this because it is a social phenomenon, and it's something where I think a lot of people are scratching their heads saying, how did we get to this point?
00:39:45.120 It's absolute insanity.
00:39:47.740 I mean, pun intended, it's some form of mass formation psychosis where we live in a society that is so defined by victimhood status that everybody out there is trying to, whether or not you think she's a victim of the medications,
00:40:00.900 at the end of the day she murdered her three kids or killed her three kids and and you've got people
00:40:06.020 out there on the one hand early on jack i'm sure you'll remember this saying the husband did it
00:40:10.780 that he murdered the kids and threw her out of the window that the husband's you could tell by
00:40:14.660 the look in his eyes that he drove his wife to do this and they're so desperate to find victimhood
00:40:19.600 status in everything that they're trying to find victimhood status in in the woman who killed her
00:40:23.780 three kids and in themselves oh this is me every day same lindsey like any rational person out
00:40:30.100 there wants to kill their kids and even if you have that delusional thought because you're so
00:40:35.520 frustrated you make these videos and post it to social media with your kids in the videos it's
00:40:40.860 it's an at society has gone mad and it's what happens when you have the defining element of
00:40:46.060 one's uh status in society being their victimhood status and you got these mother look at this the
00:40:50.820 mother turning children into objects making themselves like look like crazy people and 0.98
00:40:57.860 exploiting their children for sympathy online. But Jack, it's sort of the TikTok trend and
00:41:03.380 something tells me the algorithm in China doesn't promote this level of crap as it promotes it in 0.65
00:41:08.360 America, because if you operate on the basis, this is intended to be destabilizing and to turn 0.97
00:41:13.660 mothers into, say, not aspiring murderers, but thinking that it's normal and that there's some
00:41:20.400 sort of victimhood status to be gained by it. This is exactly what you would do.
00:41:23.560 well and and and this is where the marxist playbook comes in and we talk about this in uh on human
00:41:32.320 socialist revolution because the idea is that all groups must become victim groups and that all
00:41:38.680 society is a collection of oppressed versus oppressors and the in the classic marxist of
00:41:46.460 course um dichotomy that would be to be economic so it'd be the proletariat the bourgeoisie
00:41:51.700 But in here, we have a situation where and everyone's familiar with feminists saying that women are oppressed by men, patriarchy, et cetera. 0.96
00:42:01.880 This is nothing new. But what's new here is that in this new fifth wave feminism, which we actually outline in one of our new chapters in Socialist Revolution, that they actually claim that motherhood itself is oppressive and that actually the oppressors are the children.
00:42:20.120 And that the children are somehow oppressing them by taking a Paris in a parasitic way by taking away from their ability to be career girls and girl bosses and all of this.
00:42:33.640 And it's it's not only sick, it's a direct attack on the nuclear family in a way that I don't even think Karl Marx could have envisioned. 0.79
00:42:41.920 But but Viva, this is what we see. We see this as if it is directly a form of cultural Marxism.
00:42:47.600 Well, that and it's also just attention seeking from people who have not have no other way of getting attention in their lives.
00:42:54.740 The woman that you see throwing the ice in the bathroom, first of all, I'm fairly certain she's never had a kid.
00:42:59.240 This one right here. Not to judge.
00:43:01.420 You know, my wife has had three kids and my mother had five.
00:43:03.860 I don't think this woman has even had a kid and they're making believe so they can just get some clout on TikTok and social media.
00:43:11.600 But it is precisely this sort of trend of, say, mass formation psychosis, for lack of a better word, where you get the attention you're looking for, you get the valorization as an eternal victim, and it feeds on itself.
00:43:28.080 And the only question is whether or not it's totally organic or somewhat inorganic for the purposes of destabilizing Western society.
00:43:34.400 But just to bring it back to the actual law of this particular case, up in Canada, there
00:43:39.100 was a case of a man who strangled his 11-year-old son after being put on some of these medications.
00:43:44.760 I forget exactly which one it was.
00:43:46.200 And he was found not reasoned by guilty of insanity.
00:43:48.460 He went and sued the pharmaceutical company, but it was time-barred, so he didn't succeed
00:43:52.200 on that front.
00:43:53.760 There are cases where people take these mental drugs, and they absolutely have psychotic
00:43:59.040 breaks, and that's why they have the warning labels on them.
00:44:00.760 And then some people say, well, you know, the warning labels and you have to be astute to follow if you're having homicidal ideations.
00:44:07.960 But at some point in time, also, you know, there's a broader question.
00:44:11.240 Is there mass overprescription of these psychotropic medications to people?
00:44:14.980 The answer is going to be yes.
00:44:15.980 The only issue right now is on a fact based case like this.
00:44:20.860 Was she criminally not responsible when she did what she did?
00:44:24.040 And was it psychosis induced by medicine that she couldn't have controlled and that, you know, the medical practitioners ought to have foreseen and judged better before prescribing her a cocktail of medications?
00:44:34.120 But listening to what the judge said, listening to opening, closing arguments, having followed the case, I had a clinical psychologist on last week, Dr. Roger McFillin, who sensitized me to the overprescription and borderline reckless prescription of these medications.
00:44:48.180 flip side being if you take these medications you'd better be watching out for these
00:44:52.220 negative homicidal suicidal ideations that these medications are known to induce
00:44:56.700 no and it's it's it's it's very
00:45:01.020 telling that you don't see the same lineup and and i said this the other day about uh chris watts
00:45:12.000 this guy who killed his wife and daughters and pregnant wife and daughters and i said you don't
00:45:17.820 see men lining up to support him. In fact, you see Chris Watts receiving letters, love letters from
00:45:24.000 women. One woman who's moved up near this hyperstifilia, that is something that has been 0.76
00:45:29.640 documented and is quite well known of a woman who's now living near the prison, wants to marry
00:45:35.560 him. Men would be lining up instead to swing the axe in a situation like that. That's how men
00:45:42.240 respond when they hear that another man has done something like that. And it is not something where,
00:45:49.160 yeah, do men have a brotherhood? Yes. And it's usually for enforcing things like that. Like,
00:45:53.600 make sure you maintain your responsibilities and your duties to your family. And I know you're a
00:46:00.040 family man, right? I remember we were hanging out down in Chattanooga. I couldn't peel you away from
00:46:05.180 your family because you were spending so much time with them. And it's a huge difference,
00:46:10.440 I think too. And, and you do see this a lot and, uh, you with men get caught up in the career race
00:46:16.920 as well, but it's something that I, I have always said that something, what I could do in my public,
00:46:23.660 uh, work or whatever it is, you call this stuff that to just talk about being a father is what
00:46:28.720 it's all about. And having a family is what it's all about. And if I, if I lost everything I had,
00:46:33.540 I'd, I'd be fine. As long as I have my family, I know you exactly. No, for sure. But also there's
00:46:39.160 a broader thing i appreciate i made the joke that when oj simpson was acquitted you know it was like
00:46:43.540 a race war for whatever the reason back then and black america was cheering and you know celebrating
00:46:48.260 as though there was something of a racial victory in that in that case i have a very bad feeling if 0.68
00:46:53.940 she is found not guilty by reason of insanity whatever you're going to see a lot of white 1.00
00:46:59.160 liberal women cheering in the streets as though there's some victory in this at at best this is a 1.00
00:47:04.400 horrific tragedy and at worst it's calculated premeditated murder but we're living through
00:47:10.800 times right now where you have you know assassination culture where they celebrate
00:47:15.360 assassins if they're murdering righteously and now you have this next level which is to
00:47:21.180 to turn into victims the perpetrators of the most heinous crimes on earth if you can find some form
00:47:27.940 of oppression to justify the murders and you've gone from the ceos of health companies to the
00:47:33.240 children that terrorize a mother into having no other choice and a psychiatric institution
00:47:39.000 that viva viva we are out of time brother where can people follow you man
00:47:42.620 uh well viva fry and rumble daily three o'clock
00:47:46.280 check them out folks ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay ashore