Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 07, 2026


JUSTICE FOR CHARLIE KIRKļ¼š The Tyler Robinson Pre-Trial Day 2


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Length

9 minutes

Words per minute

175.74

Word count

1,658

Sentence count

85


Transcript

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00:00:00.600 Never, ever stop fighting, no matter what.
00:00:05.340 We will achieve American greatness.
00:00:08.160 We are just getting started.
00:00:15.680 Welcome back to Justice for Charlie.
00:00:17.960 I'm Beau Davidson.
00:00:19.180 Jack Posobiec is on the ground in Provo, Utah.
00:00:21.840 We do have criminal defense attorney Ken Belkin,
00:00:24.580 who we had before the break.
00:00:26.040 Ken, I know we've just got a couple more minutes with you,
00:00:27.840 But you mentioned before the break that not all appeals can be waived.
00:00:34.300 So based on what you're seeing, compilation of Tyler Robinson's demeanor, the fact he has not entered a plea yet,
00:00:41.740 and do you think that eventually he does enter a plea to try to prevent this from going to trial?
00:00:46.040 Or do you think the state says, no, we want the death penalty, we believe it's aggravated,
00:00:50.840 endangerment of children, endangerment of other people, we're going to go full bore on this?
00:00:55.280 What do you think happens and how do you see the defense's strategy moving forward if they don't want to go to trial?
00:01:04.040 Well, look, to be clear, this is a textbook example of a case where the death penalty would be warranted if he's convicted.
00:01:12.460 You've got a high level of premeditation. You have, you know, an act of murder that was intended to squelch political slash religious speech.
00:01:24.020 And you've got the fact that he created a grave risk of danger to the public that was in attendance at Charlie Kirk's rally that day.
00:01:31.860 So this is a textbook case for the death penalty if you were to be convicted.
00:01:35.680 That being said, if Tyler Robinson has any instincts of self-preservation, he will take a plea if his attorneys can work one out that takes the death penalty off the table.
00:01:46.460 I don't know if they're going to be able to work one out.
00:01:48.940 I think, you know, it's a hard one because there's so many factors that point towards the death penalty being warranted here.
00:01:56.880 But look, even if they get the death penalty off the table and he goes to jail for life on a plea, he's going to file an appeal.
00:02:03.340 All he's got is time on his hands.
00:02:05.500 And the best grounds for an appeal in a situation like this, where he's probably going to be waiving most of the grounds he could file an appeal on, is what they call ineffective assistance of counsel.
00:02:15.220 They're going to scour over the record, pour over the record with his appellate attorney, every transcript, every brief filed in the case, every decision, and they're going to look for every single little mistake that his attorney made.
00:02:29.560 And believe me, attorneys are not perfect. I know. Well, maybe I am. But most attorneys are not. And the reality is some mistakes are made in the heat of the moment.
00:02:38.760 How could you not? In a high profile case, you know, you're going to misspeak. There are going to be things you say. I think we just saw his attorney, quite frankly, do a little misspeaking on the record when the judge backed him into a corner about Tyler Robinson's state of mind. And they're going to look for all those mistakes to try and advance the argument that this is appealable based on the fact his attorney screwed up, to put it in layman's terms.
00:03:04.060 And Ken, I want to talk a little bit about the demeanors that we're seeing in the courtroom.
00:03:08.380 You know, one of the biggest things that has been all over the Internet after yesterday was the flinching of the judge.
00:03:13.720 Now, with your expertise just being in the courtroom, you're you know, you almost are kind of tapped in.
00:03:19.200 You have to be aware of that body language and and knowing how to kind of analyze that.
00:03:23.800 Do you see the demeanor of the judge, of Tyler, at any point coming into play, whether that's, you know, in the actual trial or even what the judge does in this pretrial?
00:03:40.480 We might have lost 10.
00:03:42.140 Benny, you bring up a great point.
00:03:43.400 And, you know, we can bring in Kevin Posobiec, too, now, because I know that we have him in our remaining time.
00:03:47.920 Kevin, if you're there, let's just go ahead and piggyback that with what Benny just said.
00:03:52.660 we saw Judge Graff recoil when that shot was fired.
00:03:57.060 On the contrary, Tyler Robinson, emotionless.
00:04:00.580 So I would just love to know from what you saw
00:04:02.860 and from what Jack saw in the courtroom,
00:04:05.000 what people saw, because it's a human instinct.
00:04:07.280 It's a human reaction to see such a violent, gory act
00:04:11.140 that you saw him move,
00:04:12.340 but he moved away from the computer screen.
00:04:14.660 What do you take away from that, Kevin?
00:04:16.840 Or what are you noticing?
00:04:17.700 well i i i would say okay so it's been about a year so i wouldn't be surprised if the judge saw
00:04:27.500 that video footage before i unfortunately is probably so many others have seen it multiple
00:04:33.000 times but just the fact that he flinches even still okay it's it's a highly graphic
00:04:40.500 video okay so it is a reprehensible act and i mean it would it would lead to compelling evidence of
00:04:50.820 course you know if we're if we're watching that i mean he probably has a better definition of
00:04:56.120 quality video or something we haven't seen yet but yeah my goodness it is a literally traumatizing
00:05:04.400 video kevin what's it what's it looking like on the ground there you know day two of this
00:05:09.980 pretrial give us kind of lay us lay the land for us absolutely yeah so it's about 90 degrees out
00:05:17.520 here and i gotta say right now i'm feeling hotter than the sun because of what the defense is trying
00:05:23.580 to do with this uh religious versus political uh allegations here that they don't want to
00:05:29.200 have uh you know engelhart's statement presented with the prosecution admitted as evidence i think
00:05:36.100 it's totally ridiculous at like it's really actually uh burning me up inside charlie was
00:05:42.700 definitively always talking about christian values and turning point and they brought up matthew 9
00:05:49.920 and matthew 19 okay and if you're aware of those one of them talks about jesus sitting with the
00:05:56.560 publicans and sinners which is exactly what charlie did okay and it's also uh matthew 19
00:06:04.520 would be about the marriage, sex, and divorce.
00:06:06.880 So we have these allegations again
00:06:10.080 that Tyler Robinson was this trans furry.
00:06:14.540 So that's not Christian at all.
00:06:17.000 But the point is, we're looking at aggravated murder.
00:06:21.800 So the death penalty would definitely be a conviction there
00:06:27.880 because it's definitely about religion, okay?
00:06:30.880 He has bullet casings that say,
00:06:32.560 hey fascist catch and balachow like that is a definitive anti-antifa song and they're blatantly
00:06:39.820 anti-christian so it's just ridiculous yeah i mean absolutely relevant to the case it is relevant
00:06:47.320 and thankfully judge graff seems to be provisionally allowing it because it does say something about
00:06:52.020 the defendant's state of mind it does say something about what charlie kirk represented
00:06:55.480 and his question do gender and religion and politics intersect of course they do i felt
00:06:59.880 like that was a rhetorical question. And Novak got backed into a corner. Smart as that guy is,
00:07:04.700 he got backed into a corner. And Kevin, we only got about two minutes left with you,
00:07:07.760 but you went down the path of Christianity here and how this does play into it. I want to ask you
00:07:12.940 what you think justice, since the name of this special right now is called Justice for Charlie,
00:07:17.220 what will justice look like? Because yes, the death penalty is on the table. Some people have
00:07:21.480 mixed feelings about that. I'm sure you have your own as a Catholic. We've got to figure out what
00:07:25.640 justice will look like. Ultimately, we want the defendant punished for his crime. But let me just
00:07:30.420 ask you from just a personal level, what would justice for Charlie look like to you?
00:07:37.640 To me, I would favor the death penalty. Sure. I mean, if he's found guilty,
00:07:45.520 you know, that is actually debated in Catholicism. But, you know, it's an egregious act.
00:07:53.200 It's not unwarranted by any means.
00:07:56.240 I mean, of course, we preach forgiveness and mercy, but it has an extent.
00:08:01.380 There is also justice.
00:08:02.880 The Old Testament is full of God wanting to kill everyone that was with Moses in the desert in Exodus.
00:08:11.900 And Moses literally had to convince God not to kill everybody.
00:08:15.740 So it has definite historical precedence.
00:08:19.300 And, yeah, I would be in favor of the death penalty here if that turns out to be the case.
00:08:24.000 But that's what they're trying to get away and, you know, just have him rot in a prison cell.
00:08:28.280 And I'm against that, too, Bo.
00:08:29.640 Honestly, I don't want to be I don't want to have people from Utah paying taxes to, you know, keep Tyler Robinson alive for the rest of his life.
00:08:36.820 That's a good point, Kevin.
00:08:38.000 And I just feel like there's a certain irony now of Tyler Robinson saying he'd had enough of Charlie's hatred.
00:08:43.320 But there's a difference between, it's so funny to me because hatred, he took hatred to a completely different level.
00:08:50.100 Now he's hating what he considers the hater and took the matters into his own hands by killing that person.
00:08:55.500 That's the definition of hatred.
00:08:57.280 That's violence.
00:08:58.040 That's when political rhetoric becomes escalated.
00:09:00.120 And absolutely that evidence should have been admitted today.
00:09:02.540 And I'm so glad that Judge Graff recognized the applicability of it and admitted it.
00:09:06.900 Well, guys, we'll just have to leave it right there.
00:09:08.260 We'll have more Justice for Charlie all week for you.
00:09:10.180 Benny Ray Harmony, Kevin Posobiec, thank you guys so much.
00:09:12.900 We will see you soon. America's Voice Live is next.
00:09:17.240 Never, ever stop fighting, no matter what.
00:09:22.100 We will achieve American greatness. We are just getting started.