Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - August 17, 2026


LEFTIST MOMMY SLEUTHS RAISE NEARLY $1M FOR CHILD KILLER LINDSAY CLANCY


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00:00:36.340 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
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00:00:55.260 Christ is king!
00:00:56.740 the lindsey clancy trial is going to be one of the most significant trials of your lifetime
00:01:04.020 we are all experiencing something completely unprecedented never before have we seen so many
00:01:11.780 mothers and women rally behind somebody who confessed to killing her three children and it
00:01:20.820 is not because we cannot hold women accountable many of us see ourselves in lindsay many of us
00:01:30.100 know that we could have been only one step away from doing some of those horrific things you are
00:01:38.500 a true crime lover then i know you have been seeing everything about this lindsay clancy case
00:01:42.980 and we're going to talk about why i think and know allegedly allegedly patrick did it not her it was
00:01:50.340 was her husband 100 he did it okay he did it he set her up and you're not going to convince me
00:01:55.560 otherwise it's not because i'm a woman and i'm rallying behind women no no no that has nothing
00:01:59.740 to do with it okay he there's so many things that have already been proven in this case is far from
00:02:04.960 over first of all her lawyer her lawyer is incredible and you can tell how much he cares
00:02:09.580 about her and oh my the part where he said that if she herself during this case then it's not on
00:02:16.620 him and that she likely will that, but I mean, can you imagine like this may, I'm telling you,
00:02:23.220 he did it. And he is putting this woman through the worst form of torture and hell a human being
00:02:27.920 could ever experience. Those cries are not the cries of some, but you don't, you cannot fake
00:02:33.180 that. Lindsay Clancy's body temperature was 82 degrees. I am on the side of TikTok where everybody
00:02:41.240 is saying that her husband could have done this. She would have had to be outside for like,
00:02:46.320 over a half hour for her body temperature to get that low none of this makes sense and also he
00:02:52.280 yelled she killed the effin kids like the way that that is worded is so freaking weird i'm starting 0.91
00:03:00.160 to believe this theory patrick it's looking like you killed your kids so no my wife killed them 0.89
00:03:05.800 this trial is for her like you went hiking in costa rica three weeks after the murders
00:03:10.180 and you went with your new wife the wife that you have now no i didn't she wasn't there weird
00:03:16.240 because she wrote a review on the Costa Rican hiking tour guide and said that we have been
00:03:21.800 going for the past three years. The same tour guide that you wrote a review on. So this was
00:03:28.440 done in 2025, and then the murders happened in 2023. So she'd actually been going with you since
00:03:32.800 2022. It was the husband. The husband did it. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's
00:03:42.080 edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live, Washington, D.C., Real America's Voice. Today is
00:03:48.280 August 17th, 2026, Anno Domini. So the young leftist women out there across TikTok, the vast 0.95
00:03:56.420 cesspool of TikTok across the vast reaches of college campuses, or at least they would be if 0.96
00:04:04.060 who were in session,
00:04:05.960 they'll be returning soon.
00:04:07.760 They vote for the DSA.
00:04:09.640 They vote for Kamala Harris.
00:04:12.540 They vote in Massachusetts
00:04:14.480 for a governor that positions abortion
00:04:17.680 up into the point of birth.
00:04:21.340 Not just late-term abortion,
00:04:23.020 but at this point,
00:04:25.260 some of them are de facto supporting
00:04:27.240 post-birth abortion.
00:04:30.100 They've raised almost a million dollars
00:04:34.020 and they say it's for the family of lindsey clancy the parents the mother and father lindsey
00:04:40.560 clancy a woman who i want to be clear about this be very clear about this has admitted
00:04:45.600 to murdering her three children is not something that uh the federal government said it is not
00:04:54.580 something that the the doctors said or the police said she said it she said that she killed her
00:05:01.160 children. She admitted that she killed her children. She strangled them to death while
00:05:05.160 her husband was out. She's not challenging that in court. In court, the question that's
00:05:12.300 come up is whether or not the medications that she was on, big pharma, how much was
00:05:19.080 pharma involved? And by the way, I'd love to talk about that because I do agree. SSRIs,
00:05:25.400 antipsychotics, anticonvulsants, antidepressants that she was prescribed, stacked one on top of
00:05:32.780 another, and we're going to talk about that today. But online, we need to unpack what's really going
00:05:39.440 on here because a million dollars, just shy of a million dollars, was raised for this woman
00:05:45.860 and her family. And many of the comments say, I stand with you, I stand with you. Other comments
00:05:50.880 saying that she's a feminist icon against the patriarchy, against the patriarchy.
00:05:56.460 What does this have to do with that? What is it about this new form of,
00:06:02.540 I suppose we can call it fifth wave feminism, would lead people to understand, acknowledge 0.64
00:06:11.420 what Lindsey Clancy did, but then support her or to go even further because they've been so
00:06:17.720 obsessed and overdosed with TikTok and the algorithm and the constant dopamine and cortisol
00:06:24.620 spikes that it gives you that they think, you know, maybe she didn't do it. She admits she did
00:06:30.900 it. The lawyers for her own side admit she did it, but maybe just maybe, maybe I know better
00:06:37.540 than all of these people who were involved, including someone who was actually in there
00:06:42.700 that day. I've just seen videos, we don't even have them in time for air today, of people trying
00:06:48.220 to reenact her suicide attempt to claim that it was staged. I'm not sure what's going on,
00:06:56.140 but we have to unpack this. Because when I see the rise of socialism, the socialist revolution,
00:07:02.120 and the young women supporting it, and I can show you all the data that shows that,
00:07:06.640 the late-term abortions, and now almost a million dollars raised for Lindsay Clancy
00:07:11.780 and women on TikTok, these crime truthers.
00:07:15.200 We have to get to the bottom of what is driving all of this. 0.86
00:07:19.740 Socialist revolution.
00:07:20.940 Remember, the Bolshevik revolution started on International Women's Day.
00:07:24.880 Right back, Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily.
00:07:32.620 Hey, Jack, where is Jack?
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00:07:37.940 Where is he?
00:07:39.220 Jack, I want to see you.
00:07:41.780 great job jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're always
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00:09:59.820 So folks, we're looking at this situation.
00:10:02.600 And again, just under this GoFundMe, and I'll pull it up right now because I want to be
00:10:07.160 accurate.
00:10:08.700 We strive for accuracy around here.
00:10:10.100 It's $839,427, and that's just including some donations.
00:10:20.000 We've got top donations in here of $10,000, let's see, multiple $5,000, a couple $2,000,
00:10:29.040 $1,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000, all this money.
00:10:32.200 and the comments you have coming in.
00:10:35.620 We stand with you, Lindsay.
00:10:38.900 I love seeing your father in that.
00:10:40.900 Listen to this.
00:10:41.640 You are a true hero.
00:10:43.440 This is 41 minutes ago.
00:10:44.820 Please keep pushing through.
00:10:46.080 Don't give up no matter the outcome.
00:10:48.300 You are a true hero.
00:10:50.800 This one in from Garland.
00:10:52.760 We believe Lindsay.
00:10:53.480 We stand by Lindsay. 1.00
00:10:54.280 Women deserve better. 1.00
00:10:55.100 Moms deserve better. 0.94
00:10:55.920 May Lindsay find peace in her soul 0.95
00:10:57.160 to continue through her days.
00:10:59.140 Samantha, you poured your heart into your family
00:11:01.700 and deserve to be cherished deeply and supported consistently.
00:11:04.500 In return, we grieve with you because we see your heart,
00:11:07.220 women and mothers who give their all.
00:11:08.940 In return, get dismissed, ignored, stretched to the limits, 0.96
00:11:11.920 overlooked, abused, and taken for granted.
00:11:13.880 There's no evidence of abuse at all in this case, by the way.
00:11:16.760 This must end.
00:11:18.220 This upside-down, broken world must change.
00:11:21.900 May God soothe your heart, strengthen your parents,
00:11:24.240 and unleash hell through your lawyer.
00:11:28.620 Okay, by the way, I'm just looking at the top comments on here,
00:11:31.520 by the way, folks, on the GoFundMe. So I did not expect to see this, but I'm seeing it.
00:11:36.220 This one right here from Raylene Sends says, sending love, Lindsay, standing with you from
00:11:42.360 Qatar. Okay. That's, that's a completely different country from the Middle East. I have no idea
00:11:48.620 what's going on there. Here's one from the UK. I need to understand this because look in Human
00:11:56.560 Events Daily, you know, we could be like all the other conservative media and just write these 0.95
00:12:00.560 women off as crazy or white right these leftist off as crazy but but that's not what we do around 0.99
00:12:05.160 here when we see crazy we like to poke it with a stick because we want to understand exactly what's 0.99
00:12:10.740 going on i want to break down the actual pathology because we want to understand what is it that
00:12:16.220 links all these things the socialist revolution fifth wave feminism the rise of abortion and by
00:12:22.560 the way we know through medical technology through the medical breakthroughs that a child
00:12:28.120 later and later, or excuse me, I should say earlier and earlier in gestation period during pregnancy
00:12:34.480 can survive through advanced NICU methods. Babies, you know, preemies can survive. And we've all
00:12:40.760 heard stories about this. And yet the abortion laws keep getting later. What is going on? So 1.00
00:12:47.000 I wanted to bring on Dr. Chloe Carmichael here to try to make some sense of this, because remember, 0.82
00:12:52.560 that's her job, not mine. Dr. Chloe, how are you? Hey, Jack, it's good to be with you. I'm
00:12:57.980 sorry for the circumstances, but good to talk about it. I feel like we start every single
00:13:02.740 interview like that. I'm afraid we probably do. We pretty much do. And like, you know,
00:13:08.940 I had actually a little behind the scenes. We were actually talking about getting you on last
00:13:12.540 week. It didn't work with the schedule. I wanted to talk about this story. I think it was Thursday
00:13:15.960 because I could see it sort of bubbling up over the weekend. This GoFundMe was launched and boom,
00:13:21.040 immediately almost a million dollars. I think it caught a lot of people by surprise,
00:13:24.660 But you were someone who was on this from the start. So Dr. Chloe, walk us through this. Why am I seeing comments that and money and dollars being raised in such a way where people are describing a woman like this as a hero?
00:13:38.460 Because I remember, you know, we can look back to cases like in Texas a couple of years ago and, you know, even the 1990s, there was that woman who drove her, you know, drove her kids into a lake while they were strapped into the car.
00:13:52.020 And I don't remember hearing any outpouring of support for those women.
00:13:55.800 So what is it about this case that makes it different?
00:13:58.860 Yeah, that's a good question.
00:14:00.180 There's a few key differences that have come up since then.
00:14:03.360 And so, of course, just in the last few years with the overturn of Roe v. Wade, thank God, we've seen it's been like a hornet's nest, right, that's been stirred up amongst a lot of women who fit Lindsay's demographic.
00:14:16.160 Obviously, I don't know anything about her politics, but if we're talking about where she's from, which is New England, her industry, which is health care, and you've posted about how she fits that awful demographic, at least, the affluent white female liberal, potentially. 0.52
00:14:33.100 We don't know. We don't know her her her politics, but I can see why she is stirring up a lot of support from the from the women of TikTok, the same women who likely were getting online to celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the same women who are probably also cheering as Massachusetts legalized abortion all the way through birth.
00:14:53.420 So I don't think that these things are not connected.
00:14:56.360 well and that's exactly right and and i don't even i mean look she she had the the prosecution
00:15:02.880 just rested in the actual trial and and you know i wish that we had time to actually talk about
00:15:07.640 what happened here because i do think that uh there's there's real questions about the medication
00:15:11.520 and others and we'll get to that in the next segment but she doesn't seem to be contesting
00:15:15.920 any of this however there's this massive outpouring online of women who are saying that she didn't do
00:15:22.700 it they're saying they're trying to find any discrepancy in the case or they're you know
00:15:26.900 looking at uh shoes from two different cameras and saying oh the colors are off so he must have
00:15:32.480 changed i mean what is this what is what is driving this uh this this background and so i
00:15:38.600 agree with you that that while we don't know her politics i don't think that she did you know had
00:15:43.820 any political motive here um but it does seem to me that there's something driving these same
00:15:49.560 forces in our society, and particularly with this demographic. Yeah, I mean, it's the demographic
00:15:55.100 that seems to be, in their own words, standing with her, cheering her on, sending her money,
00:15:59.940 sending her love. It does seem to be the same demographic that would be supporting, you know,
00:16:05.700 what they call abortion rights, or, as you said, having a higher statistical likelihood to be
00:16:11.340 supporting the DSA. And so, as well as to just have a knee-jerk reaction to, quote, blame the
00:16:17.980 patriarchy, or to have some kind of delusions of grandeur about, you know, their their knowledge of
00:16:23.560 mental health. So they want to blame the meds, which again, we can have a conversation about
00:16:28.880 that. But preview, I would not let somebody off because you know, of medications, we can get into
00:16:34.200 that. But they want to blame the meds, they want to blame the patriarchy, they want to do anything
00:16:38.780 but blame the actual woman. And on some level, sick as it is, they're celebrating some of them,
00:16:45.300 what she did. She strangled her three little babies. It's just hard to even fathom that, 0.64
00:16:53.620 but she went, took them down into the basement, and it sounds like she sent her husband out on
00:16:59.940 an errand, that she had some planning and forethought around it, and one by one strangled
00:17:06.280 those three children before she unsuccessfully, right, the one failed, quote, murder attempt that
00:17:14.460 day sounds like it was on herself. And so the people who are supporting her and somehow imagining
00:17:22.680 themselves as virtuous for that, again, it smacks to me of the same type of people who imagined
00:17:28.460 that they were virtuous for celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
00:17:33.600 You know, I had the same thought, Dr. Chloe. I had the same thought. I was even going to ask
00:17:42.020 You know, maybe some of the staff, if they were going to scroll back on some of these, you know, TikTok pages, if they could scroll back to, you know, if the accounts are still up, the videos are still up from almost one year ago now where Charlie died.
00:17:54.960 And I'd love to see the cross-section of what they were posting right around the wake of Charlie's murder and the, you know, the videos that we're seeing now.
00:18:06.360 I bet you'd also find them celebrating witchcraft, some of them.
00:18:09.840 oh 100 no there there's no i believe me as a as a uh as a devout catholic i i think this is all
00:18:17.000 witchcraft i think this is this is very obviously witchcraft um and uh it's it's something that i
00:18:23.220 just i personally believe and i think that it's something where and and doesn't uh all right if
00:18:29.140 you want to go there it doesn't escape me this didn't happen too far from salem massachusetts
00:18:32.160 either and i think that salem mass i personally think that salem massachusetts has whatever it
00:18:36.300 was in the past has become now a an area that's absolutely associated with witchcraft with
00:18:43.200 sorcery with the occult where people who are tapping into things that they really should
00:18:47.400 not be tapping into and whether you believe it or not this is what this is what's key to understand
00:18:52.220 they believe it and number two you can't deny the effects that we can all see that are downstream of
00:19:00.380 something. They are downstream of something, ladies and gentlemen. And so whether you think
00:19:06.440 that's demons, whether you think that's witchcraft, whether you think that's sorcery,
00:19:09.640 whether you think it's just an addiction to dopamine and cortisol spiking from spending
00:19:13.380 too much time on TikTok, I think it gets us all to the same place. And it's a place where you end
00:19:18.800 up supporting the DSA, abortion up to the point of birth itself, and sending money to a child
00:19:27.120 killer like lindsey lancey i want to get back because i do want to actually talk about the
00:19:31.040 pharma you talk about influencers these are influencers and they're friends of mine jack
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00:20:34.780 be doing a video on this later. I just saw they have gotten to the point now where there are
00:20:39.460 women on TikTok who are trying to reenact Lindsay Clancy's suicide attempt to quote unquote prove
00:20:48.980 that it was staged either by herself someone else or by the husband they're taking uncooked raw
00:20:55.780 steaks and putting the steaks in the windowsills slamming the windowsills shut to try to try to
00:21:02.260 prove that there was some kind of uh you know false statement or that the investigators got
00:21:08.740 it all wrong and and dr chloe i'm so sorry because i i said i want to ask you about pharma and we'll
00:21:13.700 we'll get there. But I have to ask, what would drive people? Is it the algorithm? And they're
00:21:20.420 catching that and they just want to go viral because they know this is the next big thing.
00:21:25.700 But or is there something that's even deeper where they're just saying, no, I have to prove
00:21:29.880 this? What's driving that? Yeah, I think it's a combination. So, you know, certainly these tend
00:21:36.020 to be exhibitionist women that may not have a lot going on in their life other than whatever 0.99
00:21:41.200 validation that they might get through being online. I think that's how they became so vulnerable 0.62
00:21:46.400 to some of this ideology in the first place. But also, as you said, there can be an obsession with
00:21:52.740 trying to do this to demonstrate that you really do stand with Lindsay and this allergy to
00:22:00.420 accountability for women, right? So this is likely also the same group that wanted to say,
00:22:05.860 believe all women, right? That if the woman said it, well, then it happened. And if she says it
00:22:10.740 didn't. Well, then it didn't, right? And so they not only want to try to absolve Lindsay of this
00:22:16.280 in a terribly sick fashion, they want to, some of them blame her husband, who by all accounts was an
00:22:23.120 incredibly supportive man, doing everything he could financially, time-wise, emotionally,
00:22:30.820 to be supportive of her. And now he's lost all three of his children. And for these people online
00:22:38.580 in their, you know, bizarre form of virtue signaling to one another to try to throw him
00:22:44.640 under the bus. For people who like to say that they're, quote, kind, this is the be kind crowd
00:22:50.480 typically, it's really astonishing. And you're right, because I think, and it's just me looking
00:22:59.400 at it this way, it's, you know, it seems that the empathy only goes in one direction. So the empathy
00:23:05.320 goes for the person that they've, you know, you know, built this Paris, obviously parasocial
00:23:11.760 relationship with of Lindsay Clancy. And, and so they have to be, I have empathy for her yet.
00:23:16.960 There's no parasocial relationship between themselves and the children whose lives were,
00:23:21.840 were cut short or with the husband who is obviously trying to rebuild or, or move on
00:23:30.060 with his life and is now unfortunately dragged back into this. Yeah, it's it seems like a form
00:23:35.360 of tribalism, right? Like, you know, so believe all women stand with women, a woman's right to 0.85
00:23:41.960 choose, right? It's people who look like me, you know, this whole thing about representation.
00:23:47.760 It does, it feels very tribalistic. That's exactly right. And a couple of minutes left, but,
00:23:54.980 you know, and I know that you've been speaking about this as well. But, you know, the real,
00:23:58.880 I think, issue with this. And I said this on a podcast last week that, you know, the issue here
00:24:03.580 is when you look and read through the long list, the cocktail of the big pharma stew that Lindsay
00:24:10.640 Clancy was on, you know, that's why I do think there are real questions about whether or not
00:24:15.200 she was criminally culpable in what was done here. Yeah, I've been watching the trial pretty
00:24:22.200 closely. And I mean, I've been extremely embarrassed, frankly, for my own profession by
00:24:27.460 what I view, frankly, as it seems in my personal and professional opinion, some of the things that
00:24:33.420 have been said by those so-called professionals really smack of incompetence. However, there's
00:24:39.500 a difference between a reason and an excuse, right? So even if she were medicated incorrectly,
00:24:46.700 which also I think there's some questions about if she was taking her medication appropriately,
00:24:52.440 But even if she were medicated incorrectly, that, in my opinion, would absolutely not,
00:24:58.860 you know, justify doing something like this.
00:25:02.180 I just think it's important to remember as well that what she did was extremely personalized.
00:25:08.520 It's not like she, you know, allegedly, I should say, even though she's confessed, I
00:25:11.960 think, but it's not like she took some medication and then was at the supermarket and had some
00:25:17.780 random hallucination and reached out to the clerk in front of her to strangle that person.
00:25:22.600 She took her own actual personal children down into the basement after sending her husband out 0.89
00:25:29.060 on an errand, after writing in her journal about, you know, the difficulties that she was having.
00:25:35.780 Go ahead. Sorry. Oh, no, I'm just listening. So so would you
00:25:40.440 would you come down more on the side that she is criminally culpable for her actions,
00:25:47.120 despite the medications we see stacked here. Absolutely, I would. I think it can actually
00:25:53.340 be harmful to society if we even give people the suggestion that any type of medication could,
00:26:00.160 quote, make you do something like this. If she were given a medication and not told that it
00:26:04.460 could make you very sleepy, and then she fell asleep and crashed the car fatally on her children
00:26:09.640 because nobody told her that this drug could make her fall asleep, I would have a lot of sympathy
00:26:14.400 for that, because that's an uncontrollable physical reaction to a medication that nobody,
00:26:19.700 you know, told her about in that hypothetical. There is no situation, in my view, where, you
00:26:25.760 know, that combination of medications, you would say, oh, well, yes, so therefore she predictably 1.00
00:26:30.520 took her children downstairs and strangled them. I don't get there. Again, I can certainly see
00:26:36.320 where, you know, her prescribers may have been very incompetent, may have been wrong, may have
00:26:41.600 been off base and may deserve their own form of accountability. But there's a big difference
00:26:46.460 between a reason and an excuse. And I don't think in any way, shape or form, in my opinion,
00:26:51.200 that there is any sort of medical excuse for what she did.
00:26:56.500 That is, I mean, that flies in the face of what we're hearing out there. We were up on a heart
00:27:02.200 break. Dr. Chloe, can we hold you over just a little bit? Because I do want to finish that 0.84
00:27:07.060 thought and get that out. Because I don't think, and with your expertise, this is not something
00:27:11.060 that anyone is hearing anywhere else in the course of this.
00:27:13.640 Right back here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
00:27:41.060 One communist among the American advisors at Yalta was one communist, Tumani.
00:27:55.160 All right, folks, Jack Posovic.
00:27:57.320 We are back live here at Human Events Daily.
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00:29:00.000 All right, we're back on with Dr. Chloe Carmichael.
00:29:02.420 And she's someone who's an absolute expert in this field.
00:29:06.580 And Dr. Chloe, I got to say, you're swinging me on this.
00:29:10.360 You're swinging my opinion on this because you are a clinical psychologist and you're
00:29:15.340 someone who I absolutely trust because you've always come on this program and talked about
00:29:19.460 the importance of personal responsibility and how so much of psychology these days eliminates
00:29:26.420 that.
00:29:27.120 So walk us through what you see as the irresponsible things and the reckless things that nurse
00:29:36.080 Lindsay Clancy committed and to where you actually do believe that she's more responsible than the
00:29:43.180 narrative is letting on. Yeah, I definitely think that. I mean, and again, not to say that she
00:29:48.340 wasn't over-medicated or medicated incorrectly, but that is not an excuse, right? So again,
00:29:56.020 she's very savvy from what we can tell. She's, you know, texting through portals all day with
00:30:00.780 her providers. She's called suicide hotlines multiple times and, you know, Googling and
00:30:06.160 discussing medication plans with providers. So I think that if there were some situation that
00:30:12.360 was occurring to her where suddenly, you know, she was hearing voices and whatnot, I didn't see
00:30:16.540 evidence of her, you know, reaching out for someone to stop her. Like if there, if she had
00:30:20.700 called 911 and said, help, I'm about to do something to my children, but then, you know,
00:30:25.180 the ambulance didn't get there in time or something, I might have more sympathy for
00:30:29.000 something like that. But much like these psychopaths in places like North Carolina and New
00:30:33.700 York that are attacking women and pushing them into subways and all these other things and then 0.53
00:30:37.640 saying, oh, it's mental health, right? Well, somehow they always seem mentally together enough
00:30:42.360 to know how to come after somebody smaller than them who can't fight back. Funny enough, you know,
00:30:48.120 the same thing, you know, seems to have happened here. And again, I just think there's also a real
00:30:53.800 problem and a danger of social contagion, that if we allow this to stand, if you allow somebody like
00:30:59.840 this to, you know, not be held criminally accountable, because somebody gave me the
00:31:04.960 wrong medication. Again, the only way I would accept that is if the doctor gave her a medication
00:31:11.240 without telling her it was going to put her to sleep, and then she accidentally fell asleep
00:31:15.680 while driving a car and caused a fatal accident. But not in a situation like this, where it sounds
00:31:20.800 like she quite methodically sent her husband out of the house, lined up her children one
00:31:25.920 by one and strangled each of them.
00:31:27.780 I don't see that as a side effect of any medication plan.
00:31:32.760 And so what would you, let's put it this way.
00:31:35.840 Let's, in a hypothetical, you're talking to the jury, what would you tell them?
00:31:40.280 I would tell them what I just told you.
00:31:42.880 I would say, you know, absolutely medications can cause side effects.
00:31:46.540 There's absolutely even, you know, cases of people hearing voices with medications, but that doesn't mean that we are not accountable for our own actions, even if she did hear a voice, even if, you know, as Matt Walsh has said, even if she heard a real voice, I don't care what she heard.
00:32:03.040 And I also didn't see, you know, evidence again of her calling 911 and saying, you know, help, help. There's a voice telling me that if I don't kill my children, you know, something awful is going to happen to me or, you know, something like that. I didn't see anything like that so far, at least.
00:32:18.240 So I not only wouldn't accept it from her for clinical reasons, but for societal reasons, I wouldn't accept it because I don't want anyone out there even taking medication to say, oh, gee, well, maybe now I'm going to go do this to my children.
00:32:34.700 I don't even want to plant the suggestion in people's minds that that's, in my opinion, a viable pattern of reaction because I don't see it as that.
00:32:43.600 And again, I think it's a very specific thing that she did.
00:32:45.980 It's not like she, you know, took this medication and then, you know, randomly attacked a supermarket checkout.
00:32:52.100 She went after her own three tiny children who couldn't fight back that she had been journaling about feelings of resentment and everything else.
00:33:01.180 So I just think that to chalk this up to some medication side effect could be wrong for her, wrong for those children, wrong for her husband and wrong for society, in my opinion.
00:33:13.080 Dr. Chloe Carmichael, where can people follow you?
00:33:15.980 They can come to freespeechtoday.com. 0.92
00:33:19.780 Check her out, folks. 1.00
00:33:20.920 Dr. Chloe Carmichael, incredible interview and something that I think I got to say, she's 0.99
00:33:27.720 changing my mind.
00:33:28.440 She is changing my mind on this.
00:33:31.300 So I want to stick with psychology here, and I want to get on now, of course, Dr. Jonathan
00:33:36.600 Alpert, who is also on, is going to help us walk through.
00:33:39.820 He's writing more from the socialist revolution angle, but it's all connected.
00:33:44.380 Jonathan, how are you?
00:33:45.980 All right, guys, can we get Jonathan up there?
00:33:52.600 We had him in the break just now, and I think we lost his audio.
00:34:00.220 All right.
00:34:01.460 So we'll work on getting Jonathan up because this is key, folks.
00:34:06.720 This is absolutely a key question to all of this.
00:34:08.960 And the issue here facing all of us is do we as a society hold people accountable to their actions despite the medication?
00:34:22.640 And what Dr. Chloe just said about lack of calling 9-1-1, that if you feel that you are at such a breaking point, you could just call 9-1-1 and say, I'm worried that I might do something.
00:34:39.400 Those kids would still be alive.
00:34:41.440 She didn't do that.
00:34:42.920 And so is it murder in the true sense?
00:34:46.480 I don't know if I'm sold on that, but is it reckless?
00:34:49.380 Absolutely.
00:34:49.860 Is it irresponsible?
00:34:50.460 Yes.
00:34:50.840 And that's where criminal conduct does come in.
00:34:53.240 Jonathan, do we have you?
00:34:54.540 I think we're back, Jack.
00:34:55.980 Sorry about that.
00:34:56.620 Hey, there we go.
00:34:57.160 So, Jonathan, I'd love to get you to weigh in on this question about the sort of the, you know, the criminal culpability here.
00:35:03.780 Do you agree with Dr. Chloe?
00:35:05.240 Disagree?
00:35:05.780 I'd love to get your take.
00:35:07.440 Yeah, no, I thought Dr. Chloe had great insight into this.
00:35:10.900 And, you know, she's looking at this through the lens of a clinical psychologist.
00:35:15.640 And in my view, I think you had mentioned socialism earlier. Obviously, socialism doesn't cause people to murder. But in this case, I think the parallel is that the transfer of agency from the individual onto a system is where I see the similarity.
00:35:34.920 So we're not looking at the individual behavior of this person.
00:35:40.080 Instead, we're looking and paying a lot of attention to the system, the health care system, even the institution of marriage as being a factor in this.
00:35:50.140 So it's interesting when I look at socialism and the seduction of socialism, it's very appealing to people for that very reason.
00:35:58.820 We don't have to look at individual responsibility, but instead we look at the system, whether it's the government, wealthy people, things that are beyond our control as being the cause of our misfortune in life.
00:36:13.440 I think it's exactly right.
00:36:15.640 I mean, it's – well, and here's where they connect.
00:36:19.320 And in a socialist revolution, you would see the same thing.
00:36:22.960 It's all about putting responsibility somewhere else.
00:36:25.900 It's all about saying that it is the external forces that bear responsibility for my life and for my decisions and for my choices.
00:36:36.340 There's nothing that I can do to make my life better.
00:36:39.020 And so whatever I then do, whatever action I then take is justified because of all of these other things, which is simply not true.
00:36:48.780 It's all about personal responsibility.
00:36:51.560 Yeah, I absolutely agree with you.
00:36:53.620 And in the field of psychology, we have a concept known as locus of control.
00:36:59.240 And that means to what extent do we feel as though we have control over our destiny or our fate or outcome?
00:37:07.060 And that would be internal locus of control or external locus of control is when we feel like we don't have control over that.
00:37:14.920 And it's the system. And that's what we're talking about right now.
00:37:18.520 We have others to blame for our fate or outcomes.
00:37:22.160 So in my work as a therapist, the people who feel like they have control over outcomes, so more of an internal locus of control, they're much better off psychologically, and they end up having much healthier mindsets about things, whether it's their career, family, work-life balance.
00:37:40.800 They seem to do much better and thrive psychologically.
00:37:47.040 It's precisely right, and it does absolutely come down to that.
00:37:51.200 We're up on a hard break, but I want to get you back on because this is a key discussion
00:37:55.740 because some of the things that we are going through here, yes, it's one case, but it's
00:38:00.320 bigger than that because this is where you get the DSA. 0.99
00:38:03.040 This is where you get fifth wave feminism. 1.00
00:38:04.980 This is where you get extreme late-term abortion like they just announced up in Massachusetts.
00:38:10.120 People say, oh, Poso, why are you connecting all the dots?
00:38:12.680 Well, I'll tell you why.
00:38:13.520 Because the dots connect.
00:38:15.840 Right back, Human Events Daily.
00:38:21.200 Call this the Jack Posobiec Appreciation Hour.
00:38:33.140 I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential
00:38:37.400 nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobiec.
00:38:38.960 And that is, I'll be honest.
00:38:45.000 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec, we're back live, human events daily.
00:38:48.580 You know, that was, you know, in that that clip right there, that was Charlie talking about me and my relationship with the great Josh Shapiro.
00:38:57.280 I almost ran into Josh Shapiro this past weekend.
00:39:00.680 We're up in Philadelphia.
00:39:02.020 We're at the UFC.
00:39:03.560 And for some reason, you know, Josh went out.
00:39:06.200 He did a little video and then he ran away and he didn't come over.
00:39:09.040 I said, I said, Josh, why are your seats up so high?
00:39:11.880 And then I realized I realized it was because when he was too close, he couldn't see.
00:39:16.940 He had to go up higher so he could see better.
00:39:18.380 so you could see the ring that's why josh we we love you but i'll see you in harrisburg very soon
00:39:22.700 wrong with jonathan albert he is a psychotherapist he is an author and jonathan i want to throw it
00:39:28.300 to you here because i i have this contention and call me nuts but i have this contention that all
00:39:34.360 these things we're seeing are connected the socialist revolution the rise of the dsa fifth
00:39:39.040 wave feminism this massive online support for uh lindsey clancy i actually think they're kind of
00:39:45.480 all the same thing. Yeah, I agree with you. And, you know, we can mention Luigi Mangione and
00:39:52.100 grievance culture. Yeah, that goes without saying. Yes, of course. Before we went to break, you
00:39:56.460 mentioned the late term abortion in Massachusetts. And one of the things that's overlooked there is
00:40:02.360 they say Massachusetts is claiming if there's a medical concern. So in other words, if the
00:40:09.760 mother's life is in danger. And if you read the small print there, it also says the mental health.
00:40:16.280 So now you're going to have my colleagues, therapists going out there claiming that the
00:40:21.580 mother will be mentally unwell or she'll suffer PTSD, so on and so forth. And that's the heart
00:40:28.140 of the topic of my book, Therapy Nation, where my profession is just making people sicker and
00:40:33.720 accommodating them and driving and fueling this grievance culture. And in many ways, I think
00:40:39.220 fueling socialism. It's no one else's. It's never your fault. It's always everyone else's fault.
00:40:45.520 You know, I think, Jack, we talked about micro looting a few months ago, this whole concept of
00:40:50.680 it's OK to steal things from Whole Foods. No one gets hurt. And then over the weekend, I saw that
00:40:56.760 a lawmaker in New York wants to make it legal to shoplift soap and those types of products in New
00:41:05.580 York, and she's claiming that these people must be in need of soap. And she just is so ignorant. 0.99
00:41:12.300 She doesn't understand that these people just turn around and sell these products online and 0.99
00:41:15.980 make money. So it's all part of the same animal, socialism, my profession, largely driving this
00:41:23.120 grievance culture and this socialism, this mindset. No, I completely agree. And I think that
00:41:30.660 uh envy resentment all of these things do come from grievance culture there's no question and
00:41:37.140 ultimately what does grievance culture tell us that that our actions do not we do not we are we
00:41:46.040 do not bear any responsibility for our actions because of the grievance because of whatever the
00:41:51.120 grievance is and whether the grievance is um you know in this case oh i have to um look after my
00:41:57.800 kids too much or, you know, even though the husband apparently was obviously going on
00:42:02.420 an errand while this all took place or the grievance is that, you know, my rent isn't
00:42:09.340 free and I have to pay to live, you know, ride the bus and that groceries aren't free
00:42:14.060 and all the rest.
00:42:14.680 And by the way, I've always said politically speaking that the best move for us as a as
00:42:23.200 a movement, as a member of the new right or whatever we're calling ourselves these days,
00:42:29.000 is to try to better, of course, better the situation, living conditions for people,
00:42:35.360 help with the affordability crisis. That's why I've said, and very loudly, that I think that
00:42:41.060 we should be looking at a tax cut, right? Looking at a tax cut, not just for no tax on tips and no
00:42:47.560 tax on Social Security, but up the first $100,000 for an individual or the first $200,000 for a
00:42:53.720 joint, married filing jointly, you know, why not? Why not a big tax break? Because then people could
00:42:59.000 work and you'd have more of your own money put in your own pocket. That doesn't allow people to sit
00:43:04.420 around and get money for free, like one of these, you know, these stipends or people talking about
00:43:08.700 UBI and all these different things. No, no, you still have to work, but it means the government
00:43:13.280 takes less of it. I think that's perfectly fine. And yet, don't really see many people on the right
00:43:17.860 being willing to actually talk about that. However, however, from a societal standpoint,
00:43:23.460 we do have to bring back personal responsibility. And we live in a society where we're told that
00:43:29.480 because of the grievance, you're allowed to do or say or think or feel whatever you want. And up to
00:43:35.180 and including, you know, it was the same type of logic, Dr. Alpert, that when Charlie Kirk was
00:43:41.120 killed people would say and by the way even barack obama came out and said you know i wish it hadn't
00:43:47.140 happened but here's a list of all the bad things that he said taken out of context right so even
00:43:52.300 barack obama who we know uh has used this in the past used grievance culture to talk about the
00:43:58.000 assassination of my friend yeah and it's a very dangerous frame that people have if we're looking
00:44:04.020 at if we're saying well charlie was a fine man but uh that's fueling these crazies that are out
00:44:10.200 do that. Don't do the but. Do not do the but. Absolutely. Yep. And if I'm working with a
00:44:15.960 patient, I always like to bring it back to the work that I do. If I'm working with a patient,
00:44:20.320 if I want him or her to get worse, I'll just tell that person, it's your boss's fault. It's
00:44:27.900 your spouse's fault. It's your friend's fault. It's not your fault. You're perfect just the way
00:44:32.420 you are. But if I want a patient to get better and thrive and get really strong and become a
00:44:37.800 successful part of the community, I'm going to challenge him and I'm going to have him really
00:44:42.380 examine his own behavior and the role that he plays in this so that he can gain some degree
00:44:48.480 of agency and control and learn to grow and become a better, healthier person.
00:44:55.640 Well, and the idea being there is that ultimately we can't change other people's behavior,
00:45:01.440 but we can change our own. Is that right? That's what I always say. Focus on the things
00:45:05.880 that are within your control and our own behavior, our own mindset is usually what's within our
00:45:11.300 control. We can't really control all the crazies that are out there. We can't always control the
00:45:17.000 bad boss or the difficult workplace or the people around us, but we can certainly control how we
00:45:22.460 think about those things. That's exactly right. And so much though today of, and you've talked
00:45:29.080 about this, of course, in your book, Therapy Nation, that a lot of this bleeds out of therapy
00:45:33.400 culture where it's, oh, it's, you know, I feel this way because my boss said this, and therefore
00:45:39.260 I'm going to do that in response. And it's just, it's a downward spiral. Yeah. And it starts in
00:45:45.240 my profession. We have therapists that are labeling people and blaming everyone else. And then those
00:45:50.340 patients go out and they talk to their friends and family, or if they're big on social media,
00:45:55.840 they start spewing this nonsense and regurgitating this nonsense that they heard in their therapy
00:46:00.760 sessions. And before you know it, their millions of followers are starting to believe this and,
00:46:06.580 you know, start to think that they too have this pseudo mental health problem,
00:46:10.940 or that it's everyone else's fault, but their own. So we have a really, really difficult and
00:46:16.660 challenging situation ahead of us if we're, you know, trying to tackle the social media machine
00:46:22.080 and my very profession. You know, that's such a great way of putting it. And you're right that
00:46:30.320 all of this really does come back even in a case like this i mean and it's it's prescient that you
00:46:35.760 wrote the book at the time you did because you're you're diagnosing one of the things obviously not
00:46:40.240 this case specifically but perhaps this is one of the reasons because we're living in a therapy
00:46:45.200 nation that's one of the reasons for this reaction that we're getting where people are are leaning
00:46:50.480 back on these sort of like false diagnoses of themselves and of others to say oh well it's not
00:46:55.840 really her fault and here's why and all the rest and that fuels things like a million dollar go
00:47:00.400 fund me drive yeah no i saw that and you know people are feeling sympathy for this woman accused
00:47:06.800 of murdering her children and you know they're not able to separate out the mental illness from the
00:47:14.080 actual act and you know the point of this is to focus on the crime that was committed
00:47:19.840 and you know you can feel sympathy for the person i mean she obviously is a very deeply troubled
00:47:25.520 person but you know look at these kids these poor kids that are no longer with us and that's where
00:47:30.980 the focus should be I couldn't agree more Jonathan tell people again once again where they can get
00:47:38.160 the book sure yeah my book is available on Amazon therapy nation and then at major booksellers
00:47:45.160 across the nation now check it out folks and if you're like me you're scratching your head trying
00:47:49.660 to figure out what is going on why does it seem like the world's getting crazier that is a great
00:47:55.120 place to start. Therapy Nation, Jonathan Alpert. That's why we're seeing the socialist revolution,
00:48:01.040 the rise of the left, late-term abortion, support for Maggioni, support for Lindsay Clancy,
00:48:05.420 all of these things. It all connects. The dots all connect. Ladies and gentlemen,
00:48:10.920 as always, if you have my permission, lay ashore.
00:48:25.120 Thank you.