Trump backs off two bold threats regarding his ongoing quest to control Greenland, tariffs and military action, while reaching a framework of a future deal with the Secretary General of NATO. Plus, a huge, in depth interview with HHS Secretary Scott Besson.
00:01:52.380I tell everyone, sit back, take a deep breath, do not retaliate.
00:01:56.660And Maria, to put it in perspective, the United States of America since 1980 has contributed 22 trillion more dollars or spent 22 trillion more dollars on defense than all of NATO.
00:04:34.520And then what happened just a couple of years after Seward organized and orchestrated the purchase of the Alaskan territory from the Russian Empire?
00:04:44.720oh yeah that's right they discovered gold and a little something called the gold rush took place
00:04:50.400that's what happened up in alaska and then right after that what did they discover the oil in
00:04:55.200alaska folks when we're looking at greenland we're not just talking about the national security although
00:05:00.800the national security is absolutely key president trump yesterday at the world economic forum laid
00:05:06.560out the case for the golden dome why the golden dome implementation needs to be in greenland
00:05:12.160because that's the key point to intercept those intercontinental ballistic missiles coming over
00:05:16.840the top, coming over into the North Pole from any of our adversaries in the Eastern Hemisphere.
00:05:22.440We're talking Russia, China, North Korea, Iran. Let's say some rogue regime takes control of one
00:05:27.940of these areas or one of the regimes in place decides to actually go to war with the United
00:05:33.960States. We need to be able to defend ourselves in any ballistic missile targeting Washington,
00:05:39.620D.C. is almost certainly going to go across the North Pole. So this is absolutely key. This is
00:05:45.800why Greenland is so important. But then looking further, you've also got the economic prospects,
00:05:51.620the rare earth minerals, the prospect of oil, liquid natural grass that could be up there the
00:05:56.280same way that we found it in Alaska, as well as the shipping lanes that are going to be coming
00:06:00.520forward. And as a former Navy officer, this is something I think about a lot, because if you
00:06:06.180understand the importance of global shipping to the world economy. You understand that it's those
00:06:12.300key maritime choke points, whether it's the Suez Canal, whether it is the Strait of Hormuz for the
00:06:20.000oil, for the goods, for the shipping that comes through. Well, guess what, boys and girls? If that
00:06:25.000shipping is coming across the North Pole, if that shipping is going to come across the Northwest
00:06:28.600Passage or a Northern Passage, then guess what? The new maritime key strategic choke point
00:06:34.980is going to be greenland so who controls greenland very well may control the future make sure you
00:06:43.600listen to this episode absolutely in full go and get the podcast apple spotify wherever you get
00:06:49.920human events daily folks lock in because secretary scott besson did not hold back and in fact he had
00:06:58.740a couple of choice words for a governor that he saw here he saw some of the other words that he
00:07:03.840said the other day, comparing him to a certain Brett Easton Ellis character. Well, he's got
00:07:09.440some choice words for Gavin Newsom as well in this interview. So lock in, folks. You're going to like
00:07:15.600this. Nothing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun. This is Human Events
00:07:23.640with Jack Posobo. Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.
00:07:29.180Welcome to the second American Revolution.
00:07:59.180It's often how scammers decide who to target and how often identity fraud starts.
00:08:05.480Stay vulnerable or take action with Patriot Protect.
00:08:08.340Patriot Protect removes your personal data from the internet, wiping it from Google and every major website where scammers, cyber criminals and stalkers search for targets.
00:08:17.220Patriot Protect also deletes your personal information from over 240 people search engines and data brokers.
00:08:22.780The exact sites criminals use to case people before they strike.
00:08:26.640It's the peace of mind of having your own security team all for about the cost of keeping your porch lights on.
00:08:31.640Start 2026 with less exposure and more control with Patriot Protect at Patriot-Protect.com slash POSO.
00:08:51.900Promo code POSO for 15% off your yearly subscription.
00:08:56.640All right, folks, we're here, Human Events Daily, Jack Posobiec, honored again to sit down once again with Secretary Besson, the Secretary of the Treasury, and we're here at Davos.
00:09:06.200We always go to such interesting places.
00:09:08.020Yeah, Kiev, Minneapolis, Davos, I always see everywhere.
00:09:11.880It's always cold, though. I see that. I'm starting to sense a trend here.
00:09:14.440Yeah, I know. We're going to have to go down to Argentina.
00:09:17.060Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, I mean, you're big in Argentina. What can I say?
00:09:22.240So much of what you've done in your role, it's been one year, we just crossed the one-year mark,
00:09:28.640has really been focused on international policy and international trade.
00:09:32.480When we come here to Davos, what is the administration's agenda?
00:09:38.020What are the line items that you're looking to get across the goalpost for this trip to Davos?
00:09:44.080Jack, I think one of the things we want to do is just celebrate the president's achievements
00:09:49.520for this incredible year, he has moved at warp speed, the U.S. economy, strongest economy in
00:09:56.360the world. As the president says, we are the hottest economy on the planet. And we're inviting
00:10:00.760everyone to join us. That America first doesn't mean America alone. We want to lead by example.
00:10:09.220The president, as I always say, he's done trade deals, tax deals, and peace deals. And with the
00:10:15.520trade deals, completely reorder the global trading system to make it fair for the American people.
00:10:21.020And we want the other economies to do well, too. And when the United States shows strength,
00:10:26.940the rest of the world can do well. On the peace deals, obviously, he's the president of peace.
00:10:35.060He's done eight peace deals, I think a couple more in the hopper. You and I, almost a year ago,
00:10:43.580went to Kyiv. I was the highest ranking official to go to Ukraine. The president stopped the
00:10:50.220funding of Ukraine, and he has pushed the Europeans to pay for the Ukraine armaments,
00:10:57.900but we signed, the genesis of it was our visit there. We signed this economic partnership with
00:11:05.200the Ukrainians that was completely President Trump's idea, derided at first, and now it's
00:11:12.180the centerpiece for your Ukrainian economic prosperity going forward. So the real message
00:11:19.160here is we want to lead by example. We are deregulating. We have great tax certainty,
00:11:25.480and we have energy dominance. Come and join us. Now, how is that message being received by many
00:11:31.580of the world leaders that are here? It's mixed. It's mixed. Plenty of countries are
00:11:41.500on board Team America. They want to join, especially countries, Latin America. The
00:11:49.840Donroe Doctrine, as it's now being called, President Trump is reclaiming the Western
00:11:54.760Hemisphere. And you know what was interesting? The last great tariff man was President McKinley.
00:12:01.580President McKinley, President Monroe had the Monroe Doctrine, but President McKinley was
00:12:07.700really the one who exercised dominance in the Western hemisphere. And we are seeing a complete
00:12:14.880change from far-left governments to center-right or right-wing governments, and they all want
00:12:24.200prosperity. And I think we can really lead by example. From all the way down in Argentina,
00:12:30.040Chile has just elected a great new leader. Paraguay, Bolivia, Colombia. I think this guy in Colombia is going to be out soon. Obviously, what's been done in Venezuela. So I think Latin America, they all want to follow the U.S. model of prosperity.
00:12:50.540We're seeing a lot of Asian countries, whether it's Japan, great ally, South Korea wants to do more, Philippines, Thailand, they want to do more, and many African countries too.
00:13:06.000And then if President Trump did the peace deal with Armenia and Azerbaijan, they are on side. We see what's happening in Iran with that crumbling regime. So President Trump is leading and much of the world wants to follow.
00:13:22.660So many countries in Europe, Europe, EU's 27 countries, the EU itself can be a bit recalcitrant.
00:13:30.520It's just a bureaucratic, sporadic nightmare.
00:13:34.740But underneath, you had some great dynamic economies like Poland.
00:13:40.220Prime Minister Maloney in Italy has done a very good job.
00:13:46.360Chancellor Mertz in Germany is trying to assert some German sovereignty.
00:13:51.200And then the classic kind of the French to Spaniards are lagging. But I think that they will come along because, again, a strong U.S. means strong democracy.
00:14:07.540Now, when we look at that, though, we did see Prime Minister Carney came out and had some pretty scathing words for President Trump.
00:14:15.140He also talked about the old order has been destroyed.
00:14:19.200We're not going back to the old order.
00:16:05.840They want what the U.S. has got. Because when I look at Europe, how can they have sovereignty? They don't have immigration sovereignty. They've let their borders be overrun. They don't have economic sovereignty. They are dependent on China.
00:16:21.300and they do not have a security sovereignty because they are so far behind on defense and
00:16:30.820rare earths. They need to live under the U.S. security umbrella, and we are happy to have them
00:16:36.840in the umbrella. President Trump has asked them to contribute a fair amount, the allocated amount
00:16:43.840that they are to NATO. So, Jack, since 1980, and I just chose 1980 because that's when President
00:16:51.500Reagan ramped up defense spending in the U.S. to bring down the Soviet Union, the U.S. has spent
00:16:57.180$22 trillion more on defense than NATO has. So, roughly the same economic block in terms of
00:17:05.980population. They actually have more people than we do, but we have spent $22 trillion more.
00:17:11.240Imagine that is over two-thirds of our outstanding national debt.0.67
00:17:16.820So the Europeans were spending it on social welfare.0.80
00:17:34.940It strikes me that all of those things lead to one place, and that's Greenland,
00:17:39.120because they all seem to converge on that spot.
00:17:42.700We know that that has been a huge point of contention coming into this,
00:17:46.920the Danes actually pulling out of the conference.
00:17:50.640I believe the U.N. chief also caught a cold or something
00:17:53.580and said that he suddenly isn't able to make it right in the midst of all of this.
00:17:58.580How does Greenland play into the administration's plans,
00:18:02.040and what's the message for here at Davos?
00:18:03.760Well, the message here is sit down, listen to President Trump.
00:18:08.300There was this visceral reaction and lack of imagination on the part of the Danes and the part of the Europeans that Greenland would be safer, sounder, and put to much better use in American hands.
00:18:24.900And look, this isn't without precedent. And I was very surprised and I thought it was somewhat ironic that Senator Murkowski, who I think I like more than President Trump does, came out and was against acquiring Greenland when we bought Alaska from the Russians.
00:18:44.780She wouldn't be in the Senate if it weren't for that.
00:18:48.720And by the way, that when Alaska was bought, it was engineered by the secretary of state called Seward.
00:19:08.640So I think the president is looking at Greenland strategically.
00:19:13.180today you know they talk about influences these are influences and uh they're friends of mine
00:19:21.620jack where's jack jack he's done a great job well folks if you're anything like me the holidays
00:19:30.380were brutal every healthy habit gone desserts late nights skipped workouts but now that we're
00:19:35.360in the new year it's time to reset let's undo all that and make a new year's resolution to
00:19:40.020actually give our bodies what they need. For me and my family, that fresh start begins with
00:19:43.900CodePure. Here's the thing. Everyone jumps into the new year buying new supplements,
00:19:48.100trying new diets or workouts, but they completely ignore the most important basic thing, your water.
00:19:53.360Even mild dehydration impacts energy, focus, metabolism. When you think about all the garbage
00:19:58.420that's in our water, you're starting behind the curve before you even begin. Their ClearWave
00:20:03.120technology is certified to remove up to 99.9% of contaminants, pretty much anything that isn't
00:20:08.400water pfas microplastics pharmaceutical residue fluoride it all gets removed it's the purest
00:20:13.860water you can get what i love most about cove pure is it lets you choose the temperature of
00:20:18.820your water hot cold warm and it makes your water taste so good pure clean no aftertaste cove pure
00:20:25.640makes it so easy to get pure water with a push of a button so this year make a new year's resolution
00:20:30.200that sticks improve your health with clean water right now you can get 200 off we're a limited
00:20:35.380time if you use my link covepure.com slash poso that's c-o-v-e-p-u-r-e.com slash poso to start
00:20:42.020the new year right and and actually on that i i've done a little more unpacking on this as well
00:20:48.440and i believe that seward had designs for greenland as well i he did he did so i i don't think that
00:20:56.360it's a big stretch and you know all all of a sudden that the danes are interested in it it was
00:21:02.180almost like a neglected child or a relative who you disowned. And let's just keep in mind, too,
00:21:11.680the Greenlanders are not in love with the Danes. Up until the 1980s or the 1990s,
00:21:17.380the Danes were doing forced sterilizations on the Greenlanders.
00:21:23.520I've read something about this as well, where they're talking about these types of procedures
00:21:28.000that we're going through and that, of course, you know, they say it had to do with the population
00:21:31.700size and resources and all of this. And it actually kind of ties back to some of the bureaucratic
00:21:37.260sclerosis that you were talking about here. Well, they're in the EU where they'll push these
00:21:42.700to what we as Americans might view as very radical policies. And they say it's completely,
00:21:47.500you know, it's completely sensible and rational. Well, it was completely sensible and rational.
00:21:51.980Remember, they were going to cure global warming by getting rid of all the cows.
00:21:56.120Yes, that somehow califluence was the greatest threat to the environment.
00:22:01.620Well, we actually just did a piece and piggybacking off of Axios, which is just down the street here from where we're filming, where Axios pointed out that climate change has almost completely left the room, left the building in terms of the agenda.
00:22:15.100You just don't hear about it the way that they used to do this.
00:22:19.180And so many places, it's just completely fallen off the wayside.
00:22:22.740It seems like the left completely forgot about the apocalypse that was supposed to be happening.
00:22:27.200Well, again, we heard, I remember when AOC said, well, the planet's on fire and we're going to all be dead.
00:22:50.160And I think if we go back, that if we look at Bill Gates' statements, he's evolved on the issue. He's evolved on the issue. And if you read what he said now, he says, well, 1.5 degrees, 2 degrees, 2.5, doesn't really matter.
00:23:08.500And by the way, it's not going to be privation and economic malaise that cures climate.
00:23:21.600And we are going to innovate our way out of this just like we did.
00:23:26.120Remember, the U.S. was supposed to be out of oil, and then Mr. Mitchell discovered fracking and created the greatest pickup in energy reserves in the history of the world.
00:23:41.280The U.S. now has more energy reserves than anyone from a technology that didn't exist 50 years ago.
00:23:48.800And to the point, actually, it's talking about Greenland.
00:23:51.140People say, well, it's so icy, it's so cold.
00:23:53.300But when it was discovered by the Vikings, it was green.
00:23:56.120And you go back even into the Viking, you know, Leif Erikson and all this, you know, they were saying that there was farming that was being done in Greenland at the time. And this is, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, long before. I'm pretty sure that was before Range Rovers and, you know, the nuclear power plants and the space shuttles and all this.
00:24:15.760So it really doesn't seem like it's, that was to me always one of the biggest pieces to say, just using that example of Greenland in these stories to say, wait a minute, you know, what if this is just a natural cycle?
00:24:26.900And maybe it's not always bad if it means you have more arable land, you can grow more food, all of this.
00:25:03.540But to your point, and I think this informs President Trump's vision, to the extent the Greenland is becoming greener, then the seaways around it are becoming more open.
00:25:16.640There's more traffic through the Arctic.
00:25:20.660It's just going to be 10 years, 20 years, 30 years.
00:26:04.240They were afraid that the Germans would get upset with them.
00:26:10.900But the U.S. did buy U.S. Virgin Islands because they wanted a safe Caribbean after finishing the Panama Canal.
00:26:18.840So, again, there's a long arc of history here.
00:26:22.460President Trump has a strategic vision.
00:26:24.960He is trying to avert a calamity that could happen, I don't know whether it's one year, 10 years, 15 years, but I am sure that if it's U.S. territory, no one is going to stake claim to it.0.73
00:26:38.500And just to be clear, the Danes have let the Chinese come in and mine in Greenland.0.92
00:26:43.220It's already there. And to your point, I always bring this up talking about the history that in World War Two as well, it was the U.S. defense of Greenland that prevented it being from being used by the Germans because they were not able to to arrive there.
00:26:57.080So then it became key part of the air bridge for Lend-Lease into the UK to bring and then eventually bringing troops over started, you know, was able to get the build up for the Normandy invasion.
00:27:06.340So there's this whole military history of, you know, the United States and Greenland and providing for the defense of that island.
00:27:15.740And Jack, where is Jack? Where is Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.
00:27:23.820great job jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're always
00:27:31.340talking about the fake news and the bad but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting
00:27:36.300policies folks i'm gonna tell you something straight up you know i'm gonna say i'm extremely
00:27:40.160picky about what i put in my body and what companies i support blackout coffee checks
00:27:44.460every box there's a family-run american company roasting fresh coffee right in the usa built by
00:27:50.980people who believe in hard work freedom and the united states 2026 it's a huge year this year
00:27:56.440marks the 250th anniversary of the united states of america and blackout coffee is celebrating it
00:28:01.420all year long with new roasts limited editions and some very exciting releases coming it's
00:28:06.640america's birthday i drink blackout coffee every single day morning shows late shows travel days
00:28:12.100and even right here in davos switzerland all of it it is smooth it is strong and it is always fresh
00:28:18.280Once you switch, there ain't no going back.
00:29:37.900Maybe Balto will have some descendants up there.
00:29:40.360But your point about the shipping lanes, and as a Paranavy officer, that to me has been something that we've been looking at in the Navy for quite some time.
00:29:48.260And I know, obviously, on the commercial side, Maresk has sent a couple of test runs through there.
00:29:53.040Look, this would cut the shipping from anything from China, anything from Asia to the European market to Rotterdam, anything to the UK.
00:30:02.900It would be so much faster to go over the top.1.00
00:30:04.980And the Russians certainly understand this.
00:30:06.520That's why the Russians are building so many megaports along their northern tier.0.72
00:30:10.360Because they want to be the ones who control this area, because going forward, if you've got all of commercial shipping that's now going to be competing with, I mean, this is why the Red Sea is such a big deal.0.64
00:30:20.400This is why the Houthis were such a big deal, going through those sea lines of communication, being able to close that, Babu-Mandeb, et cetera, et cetera.0.98
00:30:28.080The Strait and Hamuz, of course, isn't going anywhere.0.99
00:30:30.040But the new global choke point might be what we in the Navy refer to as the GI-UK gap.0.69
00:30:36.760It's the Greenland, Iceland, UK gap, which is where all the shipping from the north.
00:30:41.080So if any Russian ships want to come out, if they went with the Germans during both World Wars, the Kriegsmarine, when they had to come get out to the wider ocean, they had to shoot that gap.
00:30:50.100Famously, people remember the movie Hunt for Red October.
00:30:55.640That's, you know, where the ship, when Sean Connery's driving the submarine, he's got to get through the gap when all the sonar are raised there.
00:31:01.860So, I mean, it's such a key choke point militarily, strategically, commercially, and I think that there's a lot of people who just seem to miss this, but the president clearly understands it.
00:31:12.200Well, the other thing, too, and as Treasury Secretary, I sit on the National Security Council, and I can't divulge non-public intelligence, but part of what informs the president's decision is you brought up the Houthis.
00:31:28.740They have closed the Suez Canal, but that is not not not a lot of goods coming to the U.S. come through the Suez Canal.
00:31:37.780But the Europeans were too weak to stop that because most of those goods end up in Europe.
00:31:44.540They're having to go all the way around the Cape and much longer lead times.0.99
00:31:51.540But the Europeans were unable, unwilling to even put a dent in the Houthis.0.65
00:31:59.400The U.S. jumped in and really administered a beat down.
00:32:05.400Secondly, let's think about how do the Russians view Europe?
00:32:11.320So last summer, when President Ursula von der Leyen was coming back from a visit in China, the Russians jammed her airplane, the radar on her airplane, and caused a forced landing with visuals in Bulgaria.
00:32:29.520Could you imagine the Russians doing that to Air Force One? Of course not.
00:32:32.540The Russians now have a campaign of mayhem all around Europe.
00:32:38.680They are, whether it's cyber, whether it's public assets, they are blowing things up.0.86
00:32:46.840They are up to a lot of mischief, and the Europeans aren't able to counter it.
00:32:52.560So why would we think that in the event that the Russians wanted Greenland, that it would be anything other than a sitting target?0.70
00:33:02.000The U.S. would get dragged into it because we would live up to our NATO obligations.
00:33:09.200Oh, and this is exactly the same part of the North Atlantic, not far away where you have
00:33:12.800the undersea cables, and that's all the banking information, all the internet information
00:33:16.700that's traveling between the U.S. and Europe, all the banks of London, all the banks right
00:33:21.400here in Switzerland, all that information is going right through those undersea cables,
00:33:25.140and that's exactly how they've designed their deep sea submersibles to be able to go down
00:33:29.440to tap into that or potentially to interfere with it.
00:33:32.040Exactly. So, again, President Trump is being strategic, and I think we will hear a lot more from him over the coming days and weeks.
00:33:45.800I think it's exactly right. So I wanted to, you know, speaking of Russia there, I wanted to touch, it's been almost one year since our visit, your visit, really. I tagged along to Kiev, meeting with President Zelensky. Where do you think things stand? You know, it doesn't look, as far as I know, I don't believe Zelensky is going to be here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Zelensky is going to be here for this, you know, this summit. Where do things stand with Ukraine, as far as you can tell us?
00:34:11.120Well, what I can tell you is Special Envoy Witkoff and Jared Kushner have had very fulsome discussions with both sides.
00:35:00.500And I think we are making good progress.
00:35:05.880Ukrainian people have fought valiantly.
00:35:09.120They've created an incredible, incredible drone industry there. So that's happening. And we will see. But President Trump and his team have been working to solve this.
00:35:28.020I think he's been frustrated with President Putin, and we'll see.
00:35:35.480I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see some resolution in the coming months, because we will get back into the summer, and that's the real killing season.
00:37:42.860Anyone who wants to deny American exceptionalism is wrong.
00:37:47.320I was reading a book about the founder of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew, and he said, we need to be like Americans because Americans always believe they need to be number one.
00:37:59.740And we are, I think everything we're doing now in this administration is setting the sails for a great, the 21st century can be the American century, and these Trump accounts.
00:38:15.660Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it.
00:38:21.340And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
00:38:25.280And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again. Amen.
00:38:28.820President Trump has had an incredible first year, as I said, trade deals, peace deals, tax deals.
00:38:35.140But I personally think one of his enduring legacies will be these Trump accounts that two parts to it.
00:38:43.100For the next five years, every child born, the U.S. government will open an account in the child's name.
00:38:50.780the parents open the account, the U.S. government will fund it with $1,000, gets invested in the
00:38:55.980stock market. 38% of Americans have no exposure to the U.S. stock market. Top 10% have a lot of
00:39:05.300exposure. Everybody else, mostly through 401ks, that kind of things, have a stake in the society.
00:39:25.600One, once we give every child a stake and we can build up that every American gets to share in the bounty of America, in the innovation, in our great entrepreneurial system, in our capital system, that will be a game changer.
00:39:42.900were doing a lot of financial literacy. Then the other part to this is, like you, people in the
00:39:50.280Vances, people with children can open Trump accounts for their children. They can contribute
00:39:55.940up to $5,000, or your employer can contribute $5,000. The other thing that is going to happen
00:40:03.920is we are seeing great philanthropists, Michael and Susan Dell, gave a $6.25 billion gift. They
00:40:11.360are going to top up the Trump accounts, which works out to about $250 per child nationally.
00:40:21.520So they're doing every child except for the top 20% economically in zip codes. And so I think we're
00:40:29.680going to see a lot more philanthropists. We're going state to state. Ray Dalio, a hedge fund
00:40:34.200manager, just adopted Connecticut. And we're going to try to get people in every state.
00:40:40.560We, philanthropies, foundations can contribute, and we think that there are going to be about
00:40:46.34020 states that are actually going to top up the accounts too.
00:40:50.120And the way to think about it is a child who gets $1,000, that if they hold that until
00:40:57.800they're 65, it'd be half a million dollars.
00:41:00.820So right now, the foundation of most Americans' retirement, Social Security, defined benefit
00:41:06.720plan, monthly payments. This will be an incredible supplement, not a substitute. So you'll have the
00:41:13.500monthly payments, but then if it's just the thousand, you will have half a million dollars
00:41:19.140for your retirement. And then if it gets topped up along the way, it could be in the, in the
00:41:23.620millions. That's incredible. Now you mentioned before, before I let you go, you mentioned the
00:41:27.420stage right there. And that reminded me, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that, uh, that you were
00:41:31.900there on the opening day of Davos. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, he was there as well.
00:41:39.640He had some interesting comments. He compared President Trump to a T-Rex, some strange things
00:41:46.780that he said. What's your response? Did you see the governor and do you have a chance to speak
00:41:50.980with him? What would you respond? Well, I haven't spoken to him. He came to my interview with Maria
00:41:57.680Bartiroma. He seemed not to comprehend much of it. He seems that I thought...
00:42:52.460And, no, I know if you remember a couple of years ago, one of the recommendations from the Davos elite was we could all be eating bugs and insects.