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Jack Posobiec sits down with the man who founded the body of water that we re sitting right next to here in Tampa, Florida, the Gulf of America. Jack and Kevin sit down on the sidelines of the Student Action Summit.
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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
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A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
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We're here on the sidelines of the Student Action Summit.
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And, you know, what we've done is it's incredible that we have so many access, so much access to these high-profile guests, put together a series of interviews for today's episode.
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And, of course, we're leading it off with the most high-profile of them all, the man who founded the body of water that we're sitting right next to here in Tampa, Florida, the Gulf of America.
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Hey, man, we can go to Clearwater and see Hogan if you want.
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Well, don't tell the boys that because if you promise the boys Hogan, they want Hogan.
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Yeah, but I understand he had some health issues recently.
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Yeah, I saw Ric Flair just got a surgery as well.
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It was great being on the show and throwing the T-shirts out yesterday.
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Kevin, tell me something about, you know, this obviously is a student event, so it's younger.
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Tell me about the reaction that you're seeing from college and high school kids here.
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You see people aren't as scared anymore to talk about conservative values, talk about tradition.
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Starting families and starting businesses, getting active on campus.
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And it's just something I've never seen when I was going to college.
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I mean, they always had like a debate club, Republican, Democrat club, but nothing quite like Turning Point has done.
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Like, I think it's an amazing concept that he originally started.
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You're seeing those kids who were in the first iteration of Turning Point when they were 18, 19.
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Now they're totally on board, totally online, totally activated, totally engaged.
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I would look like Beavis and Butthead at that age compared to these guys coming up.
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You can get access to information so much faster these days.
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They're so much more knowledgeable than I was at that age.
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And but it's amazing, like young guys selling T-shirts, selling Gulf of America T-shirts and making businesses like young, young.
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And that's why I love coming down to these events and just showing support.
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What Charlie's done is put together an absolute national force.
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You see it out there all the way from grassroots to the top.
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Didn't you say to me recently, like, this is one of the younger administrations with Trump?
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It's if you look in terms of the age, the average age of the cabinet is way down.
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And, you know, the mainstream media would probably hate to know how many former Torning Point people are now in the administration.
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I'm definitely not breaking any news or divulging any inside information here today on Human Events Daily.
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Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.
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Jeffrey Epstein's contact list is making headlines again.
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Attorney General of the United States, Pam Bondi's Justice Department, released over 100 pages from his address book featuring names like Mick Jagger and Alec Baldwin.
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While most names were already known, victims' identities were fully redacted.
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Today, conservative commentators were spotted at the White House carrying binders labeled Epstein files.
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Meanwhile, Attorney General Pam Bondi accused the FBI of withholding thousands of Jeffrey Epstein documents.
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In a letter to FBI Director Cash Patel, she promised to release the files, raising questions about what's being kept hidden.
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The U.S. government is now saying financier Jeffrey Epstein never kept a client list.
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It contradicts claims from Attorney General Pam Bondi, who months ago said such a document was, quote, sitting on my desk.
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The two-page memo from the Justice Department and FBI also confirmed Epstein's death was a suicide, and no further charges are expected to be filed in the case.
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The conclusion is the opposite of what Pam Bondi had promoted.
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This is an episode we're taping, pre-taping while we're on the sidelines here at the Student Action Summit Turning Point.
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Tampa, Florida, by the way, on the very shores of the Gulf of America.
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Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Gulf of America.
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And we're so excited to have a local politician joining us, Congresswoman Anna Helena Luna.
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And to me, by the way, for the record, to me, it's no surprise that you are where you are, having come up as, quote, unquote, an influencer.
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But I said, people say, you know, you think of her as an influencer because you're not listening to what she's saying.
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And I do this crazy thing where I actually listen to what people have to say.
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And I remember always saying, this one has substance.
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If I can check in regards to stereotype and branding, I would be a superstar on the left.
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No, you and I had a conversation about that a couple years ago.
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And I even said, like, do you want to lean in a little bit?
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They're like, we're just not going to talk about it.
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And I'm like, you guys, because they realize I go on and I make sense.
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And then you're just like, I don't know, camera.
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And then, I mean, the one time that they did take, they went after your family.
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But had that not happened, you know, God works in special ways.
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So they went, they tried to say that I was not Hispanic.
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And in the same sentence, they're like, but her grandmother's from Mexico.
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But had that not happened, Time Magazine would have never investigated.
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And when Time Magazine investigated, they're like, holy s***, she's telling the truth.
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I was named the next 100 most influential in the world.
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Because I remember coming, you know, and meeting you at these events.
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Gosh, I don't even want to say how many years ago now.
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It was like seven years ago or something like that.
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But you've launched task forces into things like the JFK files.
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And obviously, you know, and, you know, for folks who know, you know, it's been trending all this week, this Epstein situation.
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And I'll just say something that, you know, I've never said this publicly because when this thing first happened, you were the first person to reach out to me.
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When this whole nonsense happened, you were the very first person to reach out to me as if we were the ones who refused to release the files.
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I think it's, you know, one of those situations.
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I think the reason why there's so much anger surrounding this is because of the way that it was handled.
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And I think that, you know, in regards to our task force, the whole reason why the task force was formed is because President Trump had this EO on declassifying JFK.
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Releasing a never seen, never seen documents on Joe Needy.
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She was this really shady CIA operative that had lied to Congress, was given an award for lying to Congress, was observing, had interaction with Oswald.
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And, you know, for decades, this was kept under wraps.
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Because it was the Castro group that he was part of was actually a CIA front group.
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Which is what people had said for years and were called conspiracy theorists.
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The CIA denied the lone gunman theory that just on the pure fact that the CIA had interaction with, was observing Oswald disproves the whole notion of a lone gunman.
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That the Warren Commission engaged in intimidation of witnesses.
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And they omitted evidence that the single bullet theory didn't take place.
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And I believe that a rogue faction of the CIA thought that JFK was a radical.
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I think that when people look at the evidence, they can piece together the mosaic of what actually happened.
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The investigator who comes up with the silver bullet, the magic bullet theory, is silver bullet Arlen Spector.
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So silver bullet Spector, then it turns around to become the vice president and then president after his role in the Watergate investigation.
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So we see this pattern over and over of people being rewarded for covering up some of what they call the crown jewels in the intel community.
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So when you have situations like this that go on again and again and again, I think it's not crazy to see a guy like Jeffrey Epstein and all of the information that's out there already.
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Well, I think that's why you want a transparent process in this, right?
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But to not release anything and then you have like the Daily Mail out there with photos of, you know, bags of passports and diamonds and safes.
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I just think that the way that it's been handled has created a bigger issue on the distrust front and that you have to have transparency to have that trust with your government, especially when so many of these people went on record saying that they wanted to.
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So they can't release information even if they have wanted to because the DOJ has said that they're not allowed to.
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And so that's why I put out the statement that I did that the DOJ does need to release that information that we are going to be asking on the task force on behalf of the American people.
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And unfortunately, though, you know, I'm not at the DOJ and unfortunately, I'm not at the FBI.
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I've exhausted all my resources capable and I was kind of fighting for this.
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But I do think that if this is ever going to restore trust.
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Recently, these huge ice raids out in California, they are ongoing.
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They've actually been stepping up enforcement operations in parts of the country.
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And we keep hearing, you know, of course, Gavin Newsom runs out and says, this is racist.
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And then, of course, people turn around and say, wait a minute.
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In fact, Purdue and Tyson Chicken Farm actually were busted for this several years back.
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And what I will also tell you, Jack, is that they're not wanting to address that issue.
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I think it's pretty egregious that Congress has the ability to increase some of these punishments for these corporations that are hiring these migrant children.
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So you're talking about actually going over after the people.
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This is the pull factor for illegal aliens because they wouldn't be coming if they couldn't have jobs.
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There's a lot of lobbying and big ag that goes into, in fact, this administration and doing what they're doing.
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They're not talking about the fact that they just arrested an MS-13 kingpin or that they're deporting pedophiles and rapists.
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They're trying to paint it to be that image, just like they were previous to the Trump election in 2016.
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They're trying to film, you know, people getting tear gassed at the border, people bringing their children and getting tear gassed.
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They're not talking about the actual facts and that it actually hurts people on both sides.
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You're literally incentivizing people to come here legally.
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The movie, you know, Sound of Freedom was out there.
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I saw that movie with President Trump up at Bedminster that night.
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But these networks are in place and these, unfortunately, these issues are real.
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They just busted a massive trafficking ring in Pinellas County and in Hillsborough County here in Tampa.
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I think they rescued over 60 kids, but some as young as 13 years old, or I think it was nine years old, actually.
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So, you know, people calling Obama racist or xenophobic, Biden, you know, was under Obama's vice president.
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So it is because they want to create this voting point for the midterms.
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And there is a concern that I have that if people don't educate the masses on what's truly happening with the propaganda factor in this,
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that there will be people that drink the Kool-Aid and think that, unfortunately, it's targeted because of race.
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And I remember two years ago, we did all this work when we were promoting Sound of Freedom.
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We talked about the fact that the Biden administration was, quote, unquote, losing all of these children in the process.
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President Trump, also, too, remember what he did the last admin.
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He was the biggest person to fight for counter-trafficking efforts in the country and, frankly, in any other administration.
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So I think that they don't like to talk about that because they know that a lot of these, you know, there's this, like, fight the oligarchy tour going around the country.
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Well, a lot of these movements for these counter-protesting for these illegal immigration efforts, they're actually being funded by billionaires tied to the CCP.
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So they don't want to talk about the money trail there either.
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And so it's going to be interesting for Congress to open up our investigation into that.
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Congresswoman Ann Palina Luna, thank you for your fight.
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Where can people go to follow you, see everything you're doing?
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On the official accounts at Rep. Luna and then personal, real Anna Palina.
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And we have already the biggest help is the support of American people and the support of our friends.
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Thanks to Lindsey and his colleagues, to congressmen and senators from the United States.
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All right, guys, we're back here on the sidelines again.
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Turning Point Student Action Summit in the great Tampa Bay.
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That's right, right on the bay of the Gulf of America.
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And we're so excited to be sitting down here with U.S. Senate candidate Andre Bauer.
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Why would you want to take a life like yours and decide to get involved in politics and run for a seat like this?
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I had a one-year-old and just timing just wasn't right.
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That one-year-old's now getting ready to be six in September.
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I've got four kids, and I'm worried about their future.
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They're going to see with their eyes a future I'll never get to see, but I darn sure care about what it looks like.
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And we've got a senator that we don't see in South Carolina anymore.
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I think he's more recognizable in Ukraine than he is in Union, South Carolina.
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We're concerned about taking care of Americans and South Carolinians.
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We're not as concerned about taking care of the rest of the world's problems, especially when we have the debt.
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When Lindsey took over, the debt was less than $5 trillion.
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And he ran on term limits, if you can imagine that.
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I think Newt Gingrich got elected in 94, so he committed to 12 years.
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A trillion a year since he's been in there has gone up.
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And so how do you call yourself a conservative, a Republican, if you keep raising the debt limit, if you keep spending,
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if you keep being a globalist, instead of looking out for your state, instead of looking out for your country?
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There are 800-plus U.S. bases around the world.
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We lost the Charleston Navy Yard that my grandfather worked at, and we lost Myrtle Beach Air Force Base.
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Now, why would we ever get rid of two premier right on our coast, guarding our coast, employing people?
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And the spinoff from employing those people helps those communities, too.
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Wait, wait, wait, so you're telling me that Senator Graham didn't fight for the people of South Carolina?
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In his defense, he was a newly member of Congress when one of those got shut down, so I can't blame that on him.
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I want to be fair, but my point is, is that why would we—
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It is, but my point is, is why would we ever look at shutting down stuff in our backyard, protecting our borders before we'd ever—
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We've got over 46,000 individuals in Germany right now.
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We've got to reassess what our real mission is, what our real duty and scope is, and where our real allies are,
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and can they not start doing their own military and their own policing?
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At some point in time, we've got to address a debt, and we've got to address hand-to-care real needs here.
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Well, that must be because the people of South Carolina just have too much money and too much employment and too much health care,
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and that's why he's so focused around the world, right?
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There's no problems at all back home in South Carolina, are there?
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I think it's much easier to raise money from the people that want to send all these conflicts and the big—
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And if you look, he's never had an opponent—I shouldn't say a real opponent.
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He's never had an opponent with a big name or a war chest.
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The most he's ever had spent in a primary was he had an individual one time send $750,000 against his, like, $15 million.
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You're not getting that from Johnny Lunchbucket sending you $25 after he worked all week.
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That's, hey, we're going to give you a big old check, and you're going to do what we need you to in Washington.
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It's taking care of Washington politics and foreign conflicts instead of taking care of the people of South Carolina
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I mean, this is a guy that fought Trump to the nail.
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As a matter of fact, when I endorsed President Trump in February of 19, the third elected official in America,
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Remember, he called him a jackass, a xenophobe, a homophobe.
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Remember, on January 6, he took the floor and said, I'm done with Trump.
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I don't know if everybody remembers that, and he wanted to invoke the 25th Amendment against Trump.
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We wouldn't have Trump as a president now had Lindsey done that.
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I think we can do some work to make that go a little viral again.
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Well, do your homework, folks that are listening, because it's there.
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On numerous occasions, he down-talked our president, but he said Joe Biden's one of the finest men God ever created.
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He voted with Joe Biden in 2022 70% of the time, right there with Murkowski.
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They're darn sure not a South Carolina Republican.
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No offense, Vermont, but it ain't South Carolina Republican.
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You know, and I'll say this, too, because, look, I'm from Pennsylvania, right?
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But when I go to South Carolina, and it's such an amazing state.
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I love the food in the low country, by the way.
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But then I see Lindsey Graham, and I say, how is this guy from South Carolina?
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He must have not been in South Carolina when you saw him.
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You've got to put him in a milk jug if you want to see him in South Carolina, because he
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I mean, he came back to his home birthplace of Pickens County to stump for Trump.
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They booed him off stage, and he didn't ask to be on stage anymore.
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So is the idea that he's been there for so long, he's wrapped up in all these other
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interests, and he treats South Carolina as just sort of a, you know, as a stepping stone
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for him to be able to get this higher power in D.C.?
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I was told by one of his best buddies, a sitting United States congressman, that said, well,
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you know, Lindsey's running around, brokering world peace.
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And I said, well, somebody needs to tell him that's not his job.
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If he doesn't want that job, he's to step down and go apply to be secretary of state
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I don't remember when Trump said we were trying to work out the Russian-Ukraine issue.
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The next thing you know, he and Blumenthal on mine, your dime, ninth trip to Ukraine,
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Look, I'm tired of Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, you name it.
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No, and he said he wanted a full-on war with Iran and all the rest of it, too.
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The jets weren't even cool when they came back after President Trump's flawless surgical strike.
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And Lindsey's got charts on the Florida Senate saying we need to – our boys would be willing
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I hope he's willing to go over there and do it because I don't want any more of our boys over there.
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Look, if we need to protect our friends with drones, if we need to get behind people that
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we're allies with, I don't – we're not going to negate that responsibility.
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But all these boots on the ground and all this regime change, I'm adamantly opposed to it.
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I've got to have you on more because I've got to say, I've met Senator Graham, and now
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I've met you, I said, you seem like the one who's from South Carolina a lot more than
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Tell people where they can go to follow you, to support you, and to back you and what
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you're doing there down for the people of South Carolina.
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Let's kill the biggest snake of them all and send him packing, and that's Lindsey Graham.
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We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the
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Jack Posobiec here, Human Events host, but of course, we're riding double duty here.
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She's so great up there on stage, but I had to cut in here for a minute because, ladies
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and gentlemen, we are here with the Officer Tatum.
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You've been coming to these events so often for so many years.
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How do you view the growth of Turning Point going from where it was six, seven, eight years
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I mean, we see generations and generations come through that are learning, that are growing,
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that are being blessed, that are blessing others.
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And so I think that the beauty of what Charlie's been able to do as an example for all these
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young people is that he's been able to capture the hearts and minds of people who really want
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And they've been able to grow, and I've seen the growth in some of the young people that
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were here from the very first SAS event is now leading in this country.
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So it's been really good to see the progression.
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No, and you absolutely do see it in terms of the voting, right?
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Because if you were coming up through college, you were 18 to 22, but now when you look at
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that 18 to 29 demographic, look, that's a voting block.
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The new Gen Z voting block, it's totally upending politics.
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When they saw it, particularly Gen Z men that switched over for Trump so far, Gen Z women,
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But this was something that upended politics because the conventional thinking was that
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always the youth vote is going to be leftist, and then as they get older, they're going
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Millennials, and I call them Gen Y, Centennials, they're kind of on that arc where that's now
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sort of your 50-50, but Gen Z is not like that.
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I mean, just imagine a world without Turning Point USA.
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I don't think that young people will have another outlet to hear something different
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than what they hear on campus and being lied to by the mainstream media.
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So what Charlie has done and what these young people have been able to do over this amount
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of time has been incredible and literally is a huge part in saving our country.
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Now, when we talk about saving our country, everybody's asking me about it, and I've been
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They say, hey, Jack, you know, I've seen this picture of you with a binder.
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Now, all of a sudden, the DOJ has come out with their memo.
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First of all, I uploaded all that stuff from the binder a day I got it.
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The very first day I got it, I put it up, and I said, here's the link.
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The problem was all the stuff that had been in that binder, it had kind of already been
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Now, there was actually an itemized list that came from one of the search warrants that had
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But all of this, obviously, has been a huge controversy.
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With your law enforcement background, right, when I was in the military, I was an intelligence
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I was just trying to collect all the information I could, and we were going to go either roll
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I didn't have to worry about, you know, having a warrant or all of these, for me, like just
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these extra pieces of the puzzle that law enforcement would have to put into.
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How do these cases work, and do the items that people want, does that actually exist?
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I think that the problem that we have now is that we have no idea what we don't know.
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I mean, we don't know if the information was available, meaning the investigation material
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was available, and it's been deleted, so therefore they really don't have anything to present.
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We don't know if they have something to present, but they refuse to present it.
00:27:51.140
We don't know if Keshe Patel and Dan Bongino wants to present it, but Pam Bundy doesn't.
00:27:56.180
We don't know if all of them want to present it, but Trump don't want it to happen.
00:27:58.980
So it's a lot to be involved in, and I'll tell you this from a law enforcement perspective,
00:28:02.860
is that you've always got to have an open mind.
00:28:05.360
Don't get married to a narrative, because it's very scary in the terrain that we're in,
00:28:09.800
because we don't know who to trust and who's divulging information or not.
00:28:13.300
And what I can say is that, just so everybody's clear, and I love Donald Trump.
00:28:24.980
This wasn't an investigation that started when Epstein went to jail.
00:28:27.740
This was an investigation that concluded to, in part, when Epstein went to jail.
00:28:31.720
So the first Trump administration had to be privy to what information was available
00:28:36.300
that caused him to be arrested and put into jail.
00:28:39.820
Now, beyond that point, both administrations, the Biden and the Trump administration,
00:28:44.400
had to know if there is actually a list or not.
00:28:48.540
And the fact that we don't know the truth about it is concerning to me.
00:28:53.060
I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
00:28:54.660
I think that we should trust the people who we've trusted for so many years
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So I'm just waiting to say there's more to the story.
00:29:12.220
I want to let it play out, and we'll see where it ends up.
00:29:15.100
So you mentioned the 2019 arrest, and people, of course, remember that's why he was in jail.
00:29:19.820
But what people, I think, forget and, you know, that gets lost in the story, I should say,
00:29:28.500
Now, a lot of this material, I think, probably, and this is something that law enforcement and prosecutors,
00:29:37.380
Because they wouldn't want to tip off Epstein's lawyers as to what their strategy would be.
00:29:41.940
Now, of course, they would have to give it to him eventually at some point.
00:29:45.340
But because his death happened when it did, suspicious death, to say the least,
00:29:50.580
when it happened when it did, we never got that trial.
00:29:53.240
So all of that information, that's got to exist somewhere because, of course, they were building a case against him.
00:29:59.280
Right, and Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail right now.
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There had to be evidence presented against her for her to be in jail.
00:30:08.060
There has to be crimes because she was the middle person between connecting victims to the suspects.
00:30:14.580
And so with all of that information and details had to be presented to her in court, against her in court,
00:30:19.400
for her to even be able to go to jail and be sentenced.
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If there is no person to testify in court, then there you go.
00:30:32.720
Look, I'm from the Philly area, and they got a certain saying about snitches in the Philly area.
00:30:38.080
Because people say, actually, the New York Times did a, it's funny you mention that,
00:30:42.060
they did a study just recently said, I think it's only 58% of homicides are solved in the United States.
00:31:00.460
Because snitches get stitches is what they say.
00:31:05.180
You need to snitch on these people to get these crazy people out of the street.
00:31:06.520
But I'm saying that's the dynamic that leads people to not be able,
00:31:10.380
if you don't have any information, what are you going to investigate?
00:31:14.880
There's implications that there could be incredibly powerful people
00:31:18.020
that are associated with the crimes committed by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:31:22.880
With that being said, how do you think it's possible that if those people are potentially involved in this,
00:31:31.740
Either he's saving face by doing it to himself, or somebody else made sure that he couldn't testify.
00:31:37.520
You know, or, and I remember saying this, and I'll say it again, you know, people get mad at me,
00:31:41.380
but I said, look, when you mentioned about not being married to your hypothesis,
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they do teach us that as well in intelligence school.
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And one of the things they do to help us to fight against that or prevent that mentally is what they teach us is an A-C-H.
00:31:54.940
They want you to construct an analysis of competing hypotheses.
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And then when you do that, you actually, basically it's like competing against each hypothesis.
00:32:06.040
So you lay it out, then you lay out the next one, then you lay out the third one, and you think, okay, was he murdered?
00:32:13.320
Was he murdered by a prisoner that was on the block with him?
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And then you put out and you lay out all the evidence for each.
00:32:23.060
And so one of the ones that I even said, which I do kind of wonder about is, because I do trust Cash and Dan,
00:32:29.060
and they said, we don't think someone did that.
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But in the real world, we know that's something else.
00:32:50.180
It's not above reality for somebody who's facing potentially the rest of their lives in prison
00:32:56.200
and being the foul man who eventually somebody will kill him anyway, I think,
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that he will be the foul man indicting all these other people.
00:33:02.600
So you want to live the rest of your life looking over your shoulder?
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Or you think this guy was living on a high horse.
00:33:07.280
We don't know how he made his money, but he was rich.
00:33:09.540
He had one of the nicest places in New York City, flying private everywhere.
00:33:14.140
I mean, just the arrogance of a narcissist like that will probably lead them to say,
00:33:21.100
knowing that he probably would spend the rest of his life in prison
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if they knew what was actually out there with evidence.
00:33:27.660
I use the same theology that you're saying about everything in life.
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Even with my faith in God, I say, I'm going to challenge my faith.
00:33:38.560
When someone approaches me with information about the Bible or anything else,
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I don't shy away from it and say, well, I'm a Christian, so I can't consider it.
00:33:45.260
No, I'm going to consider every principle because what does it do?
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It makes you go deeper in your faith when you find out that the things you believe are real.
00:33:55.700
I said, I'm not going to listen to what people are saying I should believe because I'm black.
00:34:01.460
And with that being said, that's how I became conservative.
00:34:04.160
You know, that's such a good way of putting it.
00:34:05.960
And that really is, I think, the start of conservatism, right,
00:34:08.700
is that we have, there was that heat map that came out recently.
00:34:12.040
They said, you know, they were looking at social media and they said,
00:34:14.960
here are liberals and their talking points, and here are conservatives, their talking points.
00:34:19.660
And they said the liberals, it was like a fist, right, because it was all this one solid spot.
00:34:29.560
And it was sort of, you know, and it was a cluster, but, you know, it was like, okay, here's your libertarians.
00:34:39.120
And there were various different nodes along this web because that's what conservatism is.
00:34:46.780
It is, in fact, critical thought and critical reasoning.
00:34:50.320
Critical thought, critical reason in comparison to emotionalism.
00:34:53.720
The way that they're able to get certain people to have a heat map that's that strong is they get them emotional.
00:34:59.620
And people that don't know how to manage their emotions, this is how they fall into a trap of being deceived 100%.
00:35:04.840
If you do an evaluation, I haven't done it yet.
00:35:07.360
I'm pretty sure if the science came out, it would be the people that tend to lean left and listen to the foolery that they're putting out in the media.
00:35:15.080
They are doing it through weaponized empathy, weaponized emotions, and conservatives aren't those type of people.
00:35:20.780
And that's why you see certain demographics of people that are leaning more conservative, whether it be sex or whether it be race or whatever.
00:35:28.320
You see a difference in people's, the way they receive information, and you see the way it's presented by how they vote.
00:35:38.520
They still finished the end of the final analysis of the election.
00:35:47.620
So, not just a lot, there wasn't just a shift, no, he won them outright.
00:35:52.820
And so, we were told, we were told over and over and over that, oh, Donald Trump, he wants a wall.
00:35:58.240
Donald Trump, he wants, he's never going to, you know, he wants deportations.
00:36:07.540
They said, wait a minute, who wants to get rich?
00:36:16.860
And what it boils down to is people with common sense are the people that will listen to a message of freedom,
00:36:23.940
listen to the message of American exceptionalism, and those are the ones that will become conservative.
00:36:28.680
And it's only a matter of time when people like you and I are presenting the truth that people will begin to wake up.
00:36:35.060
Tell us your social, everybody knows it, but throw out your social media again.
00:36:55.800
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
00:36:59.760
And we're going to turn it around and make our country great to get to you.
00:37:03.280
All right, Jack Posobiec, we are here on the sidelines of the Turning Point Student Action Summit.
00:37:13.960
And so I had to, and this is what I do, you know, I find there's so many people that want to, like, tell Gen Z what to think.
00:37:23.700
Like, that's, you know, such a wild concept, a crazy concept that I do.
00:37:27.520
So we've got one of our great Gen Z whisperers, Rivia Kulchuk, is here with us.
00:37:42.320
So I was asking before we came on, what is the hottest, you would say, when you go to post, when you're out there online, what is the hottest, number one issue with Gen Z right now?
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I would say whenever I post, the most important or the one that blows up the most is definitely deportations.
00:37:58.160
Especially when, you know, we have a White House posting memes of deportations.
00:38:07.740
So, you know, the memes, because, you know, what's funny is I remember there's a lot of people that have attacked the White House for posting things like this.
00:38:16.460
Mike Solana wrote like a 5,000 word essay denouncing me over a Studio Ghibli meme.
00:38:22.760
But also he claimed that we were abusing anime by posting a meme about deportations.
00:38:33.700
So do you think this actually helps to communicate to the younger audience?
00:38:38.560
Because what's appealing to a bunch of high schoolers or a bunch of people going into college?
00:38:44.860
So I think being relatable in that aspect, and you can make it more lighthearted because I think it's hard to appeal to a bunch of high schoolers, get them interested in politics, when everything is so by the book and so serious.
00:38:55.900
Like they're not sitting down reading press releases.
00:39:06.900
I think memes are, they cut across communication.
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They cut, you know, you can communicate a message.
00:39:11.880
But there's, I could get into a whole dissertation on like why the left can't meme.
00:39:15.900
Because the only, I will say this though, since we're on the subject, the only memes that go viral are the memes that are true.
00:39:25.600
Because so for a meme to be a good meme, it must contain truth and be a distillation of truth.
00:39:31.580
Because for a meme to be false, then it is not a meme, that's a forced meme.
00:39:38.420
So all of which to say is the left cannot meme because they are memes themselves.
00:39:52.320
And I think that's how I have such a large base of young people.
00:40:00.240
So then when it comes to the deportations issue though, because, you know, I'll just say this, you know,
00:40:05.600
this is an issue that people, when I talk to, you know, millennials, Gen X, baby boomers, you know,
00:40:11.200
they want it, but as you skew older, it's not the highest issue there.
00:40:23.740
All the videos, when I go on TikTok or something, the first video to pop up is going to be from the ICE,
00:40:31.040
Whenever I go on TikTok, that's the first thing to pop up.
00:40:33.900
Gets the highest views on their accounts, things like that.
00:40:38.420
Is it, is it, but it is, I guess there is an angle too of sort of the economic situation of Gen Z.
00:40:44.300
And, you know, I, whenever I read studies, you know, you see how it's, you know, Gen Z just lagging way behind
00:40:50.120
every generation that's come before in terms of, you know, being able to get into the workforce,
00:40:55.620
be able to find work, to generate wealth, to get independently wealthy.
00:40:59.260
And then it's like, I guess there's this idea, or perhaps the overall meme, is that it's this massive,
00:41:05.600
which, by the way, it isn't a meme, and that's going to be clear about this, right?
00:41:11.280
But, but they're funny because they're true, right?
00:41:14.600
And the reason they connect is because there's truth to it.
00:41:17.120
That, yes, it is the illegal alien invasion that's actually creating this huge anchor and this huge weight
00:41:23.100
on millennials, on Gen Z, on anyone who's trying to just survive in America today.
00:41:28.680
And I think it's important that when people my age or younger see these memes,
00:41:32.420
that they're able to go ahead and do some research.
00:41:40.600
Or school, I was going to say, or school opportunities.
00:41:42.920
I know three people, actually, from one of my best friend's colleges,
00:41:46.820
who are not able to return because they weren't here legally.
00:41:49.620
I'm like, those are three spots that could have gone to United States citizens.
00:41:57.880
That's these foreign students that are coming in that are getting led in because,
00:42:02.860
and by the way, they do that not because they're the best of the best or something.
00:42:06.220
They do it because they have to pay full freight from, if they're from China,
00:42:10.260
if they're from India, wherever, they pay full freight.
00:42:12.860
So all these scholarships, et cetera, that are going to American students,
00:42:17.240
those slots go over because they make more money.
00:42:24.420
They go back to their home country, whatever they learn.
00:42:27.200
And if they're at Harvard, who knows, by the way, in many of these cases,
00:42:29.760
they're stealing, you know, research from the United States and bringing it back to communist China.
00:42:38.220
Yeah, I hope that these students realize when all these spaces open up in colleges
00:42:41.260
and they get to the schools they want to go to,
00:42:43.200
they actually go for degrees that matter as well.
00:42:45.720
You know, they go into the sciences and math and stuff,
00:42:48.640
and instead they're getting, you know, Starbucks barista degrees,
00:42:51.840
So we definitely need to see a switch there as well.
00:42:56.460
And you, well, you, because you talk about feminism a lot as well,
00:42:58.820
and that's something that I think that is indelibly tied right there.
00:43:06.160
Yeah, no, I definitely think that is a huge part of it.
00:43:07.920
There was a meme going around about that not too long ago,
00:43:11.080
since we are talking memes, where they said, like,
00:43:13.120
they said something about, well, women used to go to school to meet a husband, right?
00:43:16.760
And so, and they said, maybe if there's a way we could design colleges so that.
00:43:21.720
Yeah, like, you can go, but you just stay away from, like, the classes.
00:43:26.180
No, but they go for sororities and the drinking life and to become, you know,
00:43:31.500
So that's why they're going to college, wasting tens of thousands of dollars.
00:43:36.100
We need to end the degeneracy and return to tradition.
00:43:40.700
Olivia Kulczyk, where can people go to follow you?
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Incredible connections with incredible patriots.
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Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay a short.