NATALISM AND THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF MASCULINITY
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Jack Posobiec is in Austin, Texas at the National Conservative Conference, and he's got a guest on the show today, a man who happens to be a member of the conservative wing of the Democratic Party. And he's here to talk about immigration.
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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
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A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
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Concerns about Republicans' tight margins in the House prompted President Trump to withdraw
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Representative Elise Stefanik's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.
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Secretary of State Marco Rubio announces the feds have revoked hundreds of student visas.
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What's happening with this Las Vegas Tesla criminal?
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He is facing five-year minimum mandatory to 20 years in prison.
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They better cut it out because we are coming after you, and at my direction, there will
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They steal people's social security is what happens.
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They say they claim to be a retiree, and they convince the social security person on the
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And I think it might be the biggest revolution in the government since the original revolution.
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But at the end of the day, America is going to be in much better shape.
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Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Thursday announced plans to slash
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Welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
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And I don't know about you guys, but it's a Friday in Lent.
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And I figured I could have a chat with the raw egg nationalist himself.
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But I got to ask you, you know, we've never even done this on the show live together.
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Well, it's the beginning of the National Conference in Austin, Texas.
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Meet and greet, I think, today and then the full program tomorrow.
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But today I'm just I'm just hanging out with you in South Austin.
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And we're going to folks, I want scrambled eggs.
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I'm thinking I'm thinking avocados, no avocados.
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Terry Schilling will be here from the American Principles Project.
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And what this is all about is an understanding that if we want to save the West, if we want
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to save Western civilization, then simply saying, OK, we're going to deport the the ne'er
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But we do have another angle for civilizational safety, security and preservation.
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And that, of course, families, we need to increase the amount and the rate of which our
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citizens are having families and creating family formation.
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And I wasn't sure if I was going to come, but here I am.
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So we're going to have a discussion with Roy Nationalist, as well as the founder of the
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The media, by the way, not too happy about this conference, are they?
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They weren't happy about last year's conference either.
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They really don't like people talking about alternatives to mass immigration.
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And that's that's so key what you're talking about, because the mass immigration argument
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The Democrat Joy Reid, when she was around, they always talk about, well, you're not having
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But it turns out that there is another way to save your country rather than going down
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the road of civilizational suicide that is mass third world immigration.
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Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.
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Want to also welcome in the third hour of the Charlie Kirk program on the Salem Radio
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We are here down in Austin for the kickoff of the Natalism Conference 2025, all about bringing
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I have to ask you, you know, Rome with Roig Nationalist, he is the author of a number
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The Ex-Benedict Option, you run Man's World, Digest, and the new book is Last Man.
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But there is also something that I've noticed that everybody just seems kind of sick since
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It's illnesses have taken on a life of its own and people don't quite seem to be as well
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And Nicole Shanahan has talked about how there clearly is an international fertility crisis that's
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And I think you can't have that discussion if you don't talk about the COVID experience
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and the rollout of these experimental vaccines.
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What do you think, though, when you've written a book, you talk about these issues all the
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If you had to put a factor on all of this, is there any one driving element that you think
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really is the main culprit for the low fertility rates and birth rates in the West?
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Well, one of the things that I focus on in the book and that I focused on in the Tucker
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Carson documentary that I was in, so I was in this Tucker Carson documentary in 2022, the
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That was about testosterone decline, fertility decline.
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And I take to the problem largely as the result of exposure to these toxic chemicals called
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And the Maha, the Maha movement talks about this all the time.
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Got to see Secretary Kennedy just yesterday at the White House.
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I mean, this is, this is, this is reason to be helpful, of course.
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This is actually, we have someone now as head of human health, health and human services,
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Marifaket Jr., who understands actually the extent to which the modern environment is poisonous,
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the extent to which these chemicals are affecting our reproductive systems.
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So, yeah, I mean, that, I think, is, is a fundamental cause of fertility decline today is exposure
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to toxic chemicals, but there are social causes as well, there are political causes as well.
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I mean, it's a, it's a complicated problem fundamentally, but yes, the toxic exposures,
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I think, need, need more exposure, as it were, you know, we need to know more about them.
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And thankfully, we've got Marifaket Jr. now in a position where he can speak to the nation.
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And I say here on, on the show all the time that when we had Richard Barris and we did
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a polling update a couple of days ago, and I keep pointing out that the MAGA movement
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is the second most popular political movement in America today.
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The MAHA movement is actually the most popular movement.
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This is why for the Trump administration, them actually delivering on so many of these issues
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is absolutely key to bringing this all back on board.
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And the coalition that President Trump put together politically, it gave people who may
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have been on the fence on deportations or a variety of other issues, law and order, that
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President Trump had championed to say, you know what, I can get on board with that, because
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that's something that, you know, your crunchy suburban mom actually does care about.
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I mean, this is a nonpartisan issue, or it should be.
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I mean, it's an indictment, actually, of the whole sort of polarisation process that's
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taken place in recent years, certainly in the last decade, that actually being healthy has
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I mean, everybody should care about their health.
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And one of the things that was very good about the Tucker Tarson documentary, The End
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of Men, was that it started with archival footage of John F. Kennedy saying, Americans are getting
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We need to get back to young people being fit and healthy, because the future of the
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And that was a very good way, actually, of forestalling criticism from the left, from the mainstream
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So, actually, the documentary was a light-wing sort of thing.
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And here's a Democrat, one of their most famous Democrat execs saying that.
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And in fact, and you compare that, by the way, with what Pete Hegseth has talked about.
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And you look at the recruiting in the United States, and they'll say that children or, you
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know, graduate, high school graduates, 17, 18-year-olds, aren't fit enough to even, they're
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So, that's actually a national security issue when it comes down to it, because guess what?
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But the fact that Pete goes out, I think he's out in, I believe, the Philippines right
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He's on his Indo-Pacific trip, but he's hit Guam, he's hit Hawaii, he's now in the Philippines,
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Because, but he goes and he does this PT, he does the physical training.
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And you compare that to, say, Lloyd Austin or General Milley.
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And I actually went down, I spent way too many hours doing this.
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I was digging through the Pentagon archives to see if I could find one image of General
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Milley performing some kind of physical, I couldn't find it, couldn't find his entire
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Well, I mean, the thing is, of course, you've got that iconic picture of General Milley with
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Yeah, Lloyd Austin with the face visor, you know, at the height of the pandemic.
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I mean, what an image to project of American military power and American military priorities.
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You know, the Defense Secretary is so scared of something that's a little bit worse.
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Did you see Trump talking about the, talking to the guy with the mask up today?
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I mean, just like, you know, a little rhyme smile on his face.
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Makes you feel, they've become adult pacifiers.
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I mean, when I was on my way, actually, here, then I saw some sort of like medical center
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I mean, people are still, people are still taking it seriously, but they are.
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Well, and it's, it's, what's incredible though, is they'll take all that seriously.
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And yet when you have Robert F. Kennedy Jr., you have so many other issues that are out
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The obvious, you know, people would talk about, okay, here's the, the product, you know,
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You know, here's the formula in the United States.
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Why does this have so many more ingredients on it than this one does?
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And, and as a matter of fact, whenever, when we had our children, Tanya was getting, was
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sourcing all of the baby formula back from Eastern Europe because it doesn't have any
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And, and luckily RFK Jr. fairly recently within.
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Although I should, I should admit after, after we, we did things the traditional way.
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Well, I think if you, I think if you combine breast milk and formula, then that's okay.
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But it's these children who are exclusively reared on the worst kind of like soy formula,
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And it sets them up for a lifetime of, of consuming processed food, because that's really
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what the worst kinds of formula are, like processed foods.
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Well, and, and, you know, it's, we should have Tanya on because she would always tell
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me about this and, and maybe we will, when we come back in the next segment, you can talk
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about it as well, because she always says when she came to America that she felt that the
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She said, this does not taste like the food that I've eaten my entire life in Eastern
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This doesn't taste like the meat doesn't taste real.
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And to her mind, she couldn't think of a better word for it.
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These toxins that have been put into our foods.
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And is it having a problem on fertility birth rates around the West?
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Here we are back live with the raw egg nationalist,
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Just the oldest university in the English-speaking world, Oxford.
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So, folks, you have an Oxford PhD who is telling you
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Tell me about this book that you've put together.
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It's coming out, I believe, at the end of April from Passage Press.
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We'll be having dinner with them later tonight with the great Lomas,
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Why is liberalism tied to the death of masculinity in The Last Man?
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It is an Nietzsche reference via Fukuyama, actually.
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So basically, Fukuyama has this thesis about the victory,
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famous thesis about the victory of liberal capitalism over communism.
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And he's commonly portrayed as the kind of great apologist
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But actually, his book, The End of History, is a warning.
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It's a warning about what happens to human beings when, you know,
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like you have this economic system, this political system,
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capitalism, liberal democracy, that doesn't actually allow men fully to be met,
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So he says that, look, under a liberal democratic system,
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you can be recognized as equal if you're a fellow man.
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But you can't be recognized as better, and actually, as the ancient Greeks saw.
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You know, that's a part of what inspires men to do stuff, is this desire to be met.
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Because when Make America Great Again came down the escalator,
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we're coming up on the 10-year anniversary of that, by the way,
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that was the phrase, that word, that concept of greatness
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had been completely removed from the American lexicon.
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It's not a word that you heard for a long time.
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And yet we have Alexander the Great, Pope Gregory the Great.
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These are titles that throughout history men have aspired to.
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this kind of triumph of liberal democracy post-1989,
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poses a kind of civilizational question about the value of masculinity.
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But then what I'm saying is, look, there's this kind of political problem,
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but beneath it, making it far worse, is a biological problem.
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And that is, in particular, a massive decline in fertility, male fertility,
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the low testosterone levels that we're seeing across the West
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So I think that, yes, I mean, if you don't allow men,
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within a political system, you don't allow men to express themselves fully as men,
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And that's how you get Tim Walz and Joe Biden and Monk Carney, the Canadian.
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Prior to this, he did a pretty good job there, right?
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We realize that when you see the Justin Trudeaus,
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to get more access to the book and your writings?
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So the book comes out at the end of next month,
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then, of course, follow me on Twitter at BabyGravy9,
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And I'm also the founder and editor-in-chief of Mansworld Magazine,
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So we'll have to go back to Raw Egg Nationalism Cookbook.
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We'll be right back with the founder of the NATO Conference 2025.
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We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.
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But we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting politicians.
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And you and I talked about it from Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin.
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And I think what, and I want to get your take on this, what concerns me is my sons, what
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Whether it's Disney Channel, Nickelodeon, or all shows, what they're seeing, and media's
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And look, the best example they're ever going to get is from you, because they're going
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But a lot of the dads I talked to said the same thing.
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They said, you know, pop culture does give kids messages.
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Some boys out there are going to think that that's the low bar he's expected to rise to.
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Some girls out there will grow up to become women who have very low expectations for how
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I want to welcome in again, our three of the Charlie Perk Show on the Salem Radio Network.
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We are here in Austin, Texas, for the start of the NATO Conference 2025, all about making
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And we're on, as I mentioned before, Kevin Dolan, the founder of the Natal Conference.
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So what was the inspiration for putting together a conference like this?
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What drove you to want to get into this sort of issue set?
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Yeah, so I run a fraternity called Exit with a group of guys, and we were watching Tucker
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Carlson's documentary, The End of Men, which featured Roy Agnational.
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And we thought, you know, we knew several of those people, and we thought there's a bigger
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conversation to be had where it's, yes, I think that the medical...
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So we thought, instead of just the medical side of it, what if we talked about, you
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know, the challenge of dating, the challenge of getting married, the challenge of staying
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Like, there's all kinds of dimensions to this problem.
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And so we thought, let's bring everybody together that we possibly can to address it.
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And so we had our last one December 2023, and now we're doing it again this weekend.
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But this is incredible because, you know, and something that I do plan to address, and
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thank you for allowing me to come and speak at the dinner tonight, is that, you know, there's
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a civilizational issue, but there's a phrase that we say at church, even in the Latin mass
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And we say, if your church ain't crying, it's dying.
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The countries all around the world, Hungary, of course, they all understand this, that if you
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want your civilization to continue, you must produce children.
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It seems like a very basic thing to say, and probably something not that radical.
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It's something I think we all sort of inherently understand when we're children.
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And yet something sort of happens as we get older where we just sort of forget that and
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We've been talking about the Snow White debacle here over the last couple of weeks.
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But even then, in a traditional story, the archetypal story of Snow White, the woman's virtue that
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she is protecting from the evil queen, who is then come and saved by a knight.
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There's a reason these traditional stories are handed down to us through hundreds of years and
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obviously even thousands of years of the story of the damsel in distress and the knight.
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And yet modernity has sort of shattered all of it.
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I think that the way that things are breaking apart, it's messing with people's just fundamental
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And I think child rearing is being treated nowadays.
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So when I mentioned that I have six kids, you get treated like it's a weird hobby for some
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And it's as close to the root of the human experience as you can get.
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Having five or more children was completely normal up until like 70 years ago.
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And so I would almost turn it on its head and I would say like, you know, I'm not having
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And I think it's like, and that often gets misconstrued.
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It's like people are like, you're looking at these bar charts and line graphs and you're
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trying to make the data, you know, get the numbers right.
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And the problem is that all these bar charts and data are showing us that there's a massive
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And so like, when I look at the dating situation or how many millennials, how many Gen Z are
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actually having kids, I'm thinking about my kids who are kind of next at bat.
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And like, I couldn't possibly just sit on my hands and not try to build something better
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And so that's what we're about is getting people together to address this problem.
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And, you know, I don't, I'm, I'm, I'm not a PhD.
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I don't pretend to have the answers on any of this.
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That's why I wanted to bring together as broad of a group of people as I possibly could
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to, to, to look at it from every angle we could think of and try to find a solution.
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Well, and it's, it's also, and we talked about at the beginning of the program here,
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that this has been an issue that it's not, by the way, just us looking at the stats and
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No, it's, it's the bean counters, it's bureaucrats and it's the multinational corporations.
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And so their response is when they saw this happening, when they saw this decline in the
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birth rates to coming, what they decided to then do was open the floodgates and say,
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let's, let's import as many third worlders as possible, or just anybody who wants to come
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You can see European migration is very, very hard to come in if you're European, but if
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you're someone from anywhere in the global South, it's perfectly easy to come to the
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This is obviously done for economic reasons, because in order to sustain the welfare state
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that they've created, in order to sustain the global capitalist market, the markets that
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have been created, you need a continual influx of people and this growing and ever expanding
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GDP, which of course is always being predicated on, uh, simply people as, as being chogs in
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And this is where I think MAGA and populism and really all sort of unite because wait a
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As a matter of fact, we are real people with real history, with real civilization.
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And the idea that you can just mix and match everything, it's, it's completely bonkers.
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It's, it's, it's, by the way, it's non-biblical, uh, for anyone who's ever read the Tower of
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Babel, God created the nations, God created the languages.
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And the point being is that this is all ordained for some higher reason.
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And when you ask about the breakdowns of so many of these different systems in our country,
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The family unit is the oldest institution that we have evidence for on planet earth.
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You can go back to the, they find these caves and, and the anthropologists, they, they take
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It's, and, and, and you have to get people back to it and understanding of themselves as part
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And I think one of the things that's the biggest challenge we face right now is this, the sense
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that, uh, you see this with the 4B movement in South Korea.
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I don't know if you're familiar with this idea that women's companies are using all these.
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I had to this video in viral talking about it because the 4B, so B is Bu, and which in
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So the 4Nos, well, the 4Nos campaign is something that literally came out of the Chinese cultural
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So, so it's, it's basically women and men both.
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And this is, you know, it's, it's, you can see the charts.
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It's like women are profoundly radicalizing toward the left and men are sort of slightly
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And so the 4Bs, it's, I'm trying to remember, it's something like it's, it's, it's no marriage,
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And what I see that's the problem with that is like men and women cannot think of themselves
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And we've been, Joshua Lysak, who I work with, has been talking about this a lot that, you
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know, we've sort of, sort of won the fight against third wave feminism, but second wave
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And I think you're exactly right that it's pit men and women against each other.
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And that's always been sort of at the kernel of it.
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It's not about, you know, they say it's about women's liberation.
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They say it's, oh, you know, women can be in the workforce.
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And I think part of the challenge with careerism is this sense of trust.
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It's like, you know, because if you're asking a woman to start a family with you, you're asking
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her to give up sort of some of these productive years of her life on the trust that you are going
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to be there later, and then, you know, vice versa, it's like you're investing in this
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woman and her kids, and you're, you're, you're, almost like a type of relationship that would
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require, I don't know, a religious vow, like a covenant, yeah, exactly.
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And wait, maybe these things are there for a reason.
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And I guess what I would say is, like, if you want to, if you want to sort of critique
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the details of how that went, and maybe, maybe it wasn't exactly fair, you know, in prior
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generations, I think that conversation is fine to have.
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You can't, you can't just jettison the whole thing.
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If, if the fence is there, don't take it down unless you, until you know the reason that
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Don't remove things in our society, in these building blocks that have got us to the point
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that we're at now without realizing why they existed to begin with.
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So, you know, we were so happy to institute no-fault divorce.
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We were so excited to introduce sexual liberation in the 60s through the 70s.
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All these, oh, there's this program, there's this program.
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And I, I remember, I remember seeing, um, these ads, even when I was in college, that freeze
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And, you know, half of them can be for you later.
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And then you hear these stories about these, about women who have done this and they go
00:33:48.040
to get the eggs and, oh, there was a problem with the lab and no more eggs.
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I mean, they were just completely lied to about the liability of that process.
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I mean, in fact, they hit them during the global financial crisis.
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And the reason that goes for like, you know, $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 is that almost everybody,
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including, you know, career women, career oriented women want to have a family.
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And so what we're about is trying to help people get what they want.
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It's, it shouldn't be that radical folks, but for some reason it is, uh, media is very,
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They seem to think that we're all very naughty for getting together to even have these conversations.
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And then, and then you listen to it and it's, yeah, we should have kids.
00:34:34.640
What a, what a radical revolutionary topic, perhaps in the midst of under modernity.
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Be right back with Kevin Dole and the founder of the Adol Conference 2025 here in Austin,
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And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
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And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.
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A bill that every boy's bathroom will have tampons.
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I got an 18 year old Gus and I'm without Gus out there.
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And I was giving Gus my wisdom on what he had done wrong.
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You know, I was being, because I know these things, right?
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In the middle of it, he, he gives me the old, says the guy who got his kicked by Donald Trump.
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These old white guys who seem to disappoint us on a regular basis in this country.
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We got ourselves in this mess because we weren't bold enough to stand up and say,
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We're speaking with Kevin Dolan, the founder of the conference.
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Earlier when we were withdrawing nationalists, we talked about the decline of masculinity.
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In fact, the attempted assassination of masculinity in this country.
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And here's, here's something that, that I'll, I'll, I'll actually say though.
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People will say, well, you know, women are to blame, women are to blame, women are to blame.
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I actually think it's the men who are, who have more to blame here.
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And, and here's why, because we've allowed the situation to become the way it is.
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Well, you know, I don't even know if it makes sense to couch it in those terms.
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And I think that, I think that every, you know, red blooded dude out there knows that this isn't right.
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And, and, and, you know, we do have to get to, I think it's, I think it's an effort to like,
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defang masculinity because of this issue of trust.
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It's like, we've gotten to this point where we don't trust each other.
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And so it's like, when you treat somebody like an enemy, it's like, well, then what I want most for that enemy is to be harmless.
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And it's like, if you understand men and women as, as, as compliments and as building something together, then yeah, you want, you want men to be dangerous.
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This is what, and I, and I was talking about it before.
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When you heard these things that the new Snow White actress was saying, the, the playing around with, with some of these concepts as if it was, as if it's just nothing.
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We're not, she doesn't need a man to save her anymore.
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The Prince was committed essentially, she didn't say this, but they were likening it to a form of soft date rape.
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When he goes to give her the kiss to waken her from the sleeping death with the poison apple, adding on all of this complete nonsense to it.
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But I, what I don't think she realized it, and by the way, the actress, I don't think she's just parroting things that she's heard.
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But the point is, what they're doing is they're, they're going into these very important head rock concepts of our civilization, of our families, of our children.
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And they're just, they're just completely erasing everything that's been there.
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And I think that there's something deep in, in the essence of, of the welfare state and feminism and all these things.
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It's, it's an attempt to, to eradicate things that rely on trust, that rely on goodwill, that rely on love.
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It's, it's trying to build a society without love.
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And that's, that's what I see is, is, is, is, you know, because we can't trust each other to love each other.
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So we have to have these rules, we have to have these, these, these, you know, forced expropriations.
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Committees and processes and bureaucracy layers.
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But I, we've talked about the long house on the program before, but this idea of this, this, you know, gynocentric sort of rule by committee, rule by school marm type, type process.
00:39:32.680
But you're right, because what, what does run through all of it?
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And, and actually it's like, I think most women, even, even the ones who are sort of, uh, exercised about this topic in a negative way.
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It's, what, what it is, is they don't trust the solutions or they don't think it's possible.
00:39:58.540
And so they see it as like, you're trying to, you're trying to con me, you're trying to scam me, you're trying to get one around.
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But that doesn't mean the thing is not something they want.
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So it's like, how do you, how do you create a situation where people can trust each other and connect with one another?
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Even Taylor Swift, after having her heart broken so many times, she still finds her way back to the arms of the Super Bowl champion.
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You know, of course, of course they lost to my Eagle.
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So I'm not, he didn't get the, he didn't, wasn't able to get down on one knee like I, like I think he was hoping for.
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You can see it, that she's upheld as this feminist icon.
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And yet every single one of her songs is about wanting love.
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And so I think, I think it's so important to see that and, and to get people together who care about this issue so that they can, so they can find a better way.
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Where can people go to find out more information about the conference?
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And there are portions of it that won't, though.
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I'm so sad that your life is so terrible and horrible and awful.
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And your kids hate you that, actually, you probably don't even have kids.
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Ovi, thank you so much for, for joining us here on Human Events Daily.
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Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay a short.