Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - NATALISM AND THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF MASCULINITY

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:38.960 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:45.600 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:49.420 Concerns about Republicans' tight margins in the House prompted President Trump to withdraw

00:00:54.700 Representative Elise Stefanik's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

00:01:00.400 Secretary of State Marco Rubio announces the feds have revoked hundreds of student visas.

00:01:05.800 What's happening with this Las Vegas Tesla criminal?

00:01:10.180 He is facing five-year minimum mandatory to 20 years in prison.

00:01:14.800 So these people better look out.

00:01:16.640 They better cut it out because we are coming after you, and at my direction, there will

00:01:20.960 be no negotiating.

00:01:22.460 They steal people's social security is what happens.

00:01:24.960 They call in.

00:01:26.160 They say they claim to be a retiree, and they convince the social security person on the

00:01:33.380 phone to change where the money is flowing.

00:01:36.660 It actually goes to some fraudster.

00:01:38.660 Well, this is a revolution.

00:01:39.620 And I think it might be the biggest revolution in the government since the original revolution.

00:01:46.580 But at the end of the day, America is going to be in much better shape.

00:01:49.520 Major changes at the U.S. Health Department.

00:01:51.820 We're going to streamline HHS.

00:01:53.880 Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Thursday announced plans to slash

00:01:58.440 the workforce by about 20,000 people.

00:02:01.800 Hello, ladies and gentlemen.

00:02:02.980 Welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:02:06.160 We are here live in Austin, Texas.

00:02:08.980 Today is March 28, 2025.

00:02:12.020 Anno, Domini.

00:02:13.440 And I don't know about you guys, but it's a Friday in Lent.

00:02:17.380 I can't eat meat.

00:02:18.360 So I was thinking I might need some eggs.

00:02:20.220 I might need some omelets.

00:02:21.840 I was thinking, what can I do?

00:02:23.600 Where can I go?

00:02:24.580 Who could make me some great eggs?

00:02:26.600 And I figured I could have a chat with the raw egg nationalist himself.

00:02:31.420 He's here in Austin for some reason.

00:02:33.360 But I got to ask you, you know, we've never even done this on the show live together.

00:02:37.640 What are we what are you cooking up today?

00:02:39.600 What am I cooking up today?

00:02:40.760 Well, it's the beginning of the National Conference in Austin, Texas.

00:02:44.820 Meet and greet, I think, today and then the full program tomorrow.

00:02:48.740 I'm speaking at the dinner tomorrow.

00:02:50.700 But today I'm just I'm just hanging out with you in South Austin.

00:02:54.540 And we're going to folks, I want scrambled eggs.

00:02:57.580 I'm thinking I'm thinking avocados, no avocados.

00:03:01.120 Well, in small days, small doses of avocados.

00:03:03.580 All right.

00:03:04.180 So we're here for that's right.

00:03:05.380 We're here for the natal conference.

00:03:07.040 We're here for natalism 2025.

00:03:10.240 Terry Schilling will be here from the American Principles Project.

00:03:14.100 It's going to be an incredible event.

00:03:16.340 P.G.

00:03:16.680 Keenan is coming by as well.

00:03:18.460 So many others.

00:03:19.200 And what this is all about is an understanding that if we want to save the West, if we want

00:03:25.260 to save Western civilization, then simply saying, OK, we're going to deport the the ne'er 1.00

00:03:30.660 dwells, deport the illegals. 0.99

00:03:32.580 That's one piece of it.

00:03:34.220 But we do have another angle for civilizational safety, security and preservation.

00:03:41.120 And that, of course, families, we need to increase the amount and the rate of which our

00:03:48.880 citizens are having families and creating family formation.

00:03:52.240 So we've all come together.

00:03:54.140 And I wasn't sure if I was going to come, but here I am.

00:03:58.120 And we are going to put it all in together.

00:04:00.580 So we're going to have a discussion with Roy Nationalist, as well as the founder of the

00:04:05.940 conference coming up in just a little bit.

00:04:08.220 The conference kicks off tomorrow.

00:04:10.740 But we are going to be here.

00:04:11.700 The media, by the way, not too happy about this conference, are they?

00:04:14.480 No, they're not.

00:04:15.200 They weren't happy about last year's conference either.

00:04:17.240 They really don't like people talking about alternatives to mass immigration.

00:04:22.560 And that's precisely what this is.

00:04:24.120 And that's that's so key what you're talking about, because the mass immigration argument

00:04:28.940 always comes.

00:04:30.020 AOC talks about this.

00:04:31.860 The Democrat Joy Reid, when she was around, they always talk about, well, you're not having

00:04:35.300 enough kids.

00:04:35.920 You're not having enough kids.

00:04:37.020 That's why we need the immigrants. 1.00

00:04:38.540 That's why we need mass immigration. 0.97

00:04:40.000 And the libertarians get on board.

00:04:42.440 The multinationals.

00:04:43.560 The Wall Street Journal.

00:04:44.360 But it turns out that there is another way to save your country rather than going down

00:04:50.340 the road of civilizational suicide that is mass third world immigration. 1.00

00:04:56.920 Stay tuned.

00:04:57.380 We'll be right back.

00:04:57.960 Human Events Daily continues.

00:04:58.920 Nothing will stand in our way.

00:05:10.880 And our golden age has just begun.

00:05:13.240 This is Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:05:15.000 Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.

00:05:19.660 Welcome to the second American revolution.

00:05:24.080 Hi, folks.

00:05:27.820 Jack Posobiec.

00:05:28.500 We are back.

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00:05:36.780 We are here down in Austin for the kickoff of the Natalism Conference 2025, all about bringing

00:05:44.800 families together and making more families.

00:05:47.820 Be a rebel.

00:05:48.740 Start a family.

00:05:49.460 It's a movement that's sweeping Western civilization.

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00:07:28.460 I have to ask you, you know, Rome with Roig Nationalist, he is the author of a number 1.00

00:07:34.100 of books.

00:07:34.520 The Ex-Benedict Option, you run Man's World, Digest, and the new book is Last Man.

00:07:41.680 It's The Liberal Death of Masculinity. 0.72

00:07:43.920 Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity.

00:07:44.880 Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity.

00:07:46.580 But there is also something that I've noticed that everybody just seems kind of sick since

00:07:51.240 the end of COVID.

00:07:52.460 It's illnesses have taken on a life of its own and people don't quite seem to be as well

00:07:58.700 as they were prior to COVID.

00:08:00.260 And I think there's a lot that goes into that.

00:08:02.700 And Nicole Shanahan has talked about how there clearly is an international fertility crisis that's 1.00

00:08:08.640 going on.

00:08:09.240 And I think you can't have that discussion if you don't talk about the COVID experience

00:08:16.140 and the rollout of these experimental vaccines.

00:08:19.820 So huge hodgepodge of topics to start from.

00:08:24.500 What do you think, though, when you've written a book, you talk about these issues all the

00:08:28.580 time.

00:08:29.420 If you had to put a factor on all of this, is there any one driving element that you think

00:08:36.580 really is the main culprit for the low fertility rates and birth rates in the West?

00:08:42.380 Well, one of the things that I focus on in the book and that I focused on in the Tucker

00:08:46.020 Carson documentary that I was in, so I was in this Tucker Carson documentary in 2022, the

00:08:50.380 last, sorry, the death of the end of men.

00:08:54.480 The end of men, that's it.

00:08:55.880 It's been long and long that I've forgotten.

00:08:58.180 That was about testosterone decline, fertility decline.

00:09:01.280 And I take to the problem largely as the result of exposure to these toxic chemicals called

00:09:07.920 endocrine disruptors.

00:09:09.460 And they're everywhere.

00:09:10.400 They're in personal care products.

00:09:12.040 They're in the food, the water.

00:09:14.880 And the Maha, the Maha movement talks about this all the time.

00:09:17.360 Got to see Secretary Kennedy just yesterday at the White House.

00:09:19.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:20.120 I mean, this is, this is, this is reason to be helpful, of course.

00:09:23.900 This is actually, we have someone now as head of human health, health and human services,

00:09:29.260 Marifaket Jr., who understands actually the extent to which the modern environment is poisonous,

00:09:35.700 the extent to which these chemicals are affecting our reproductive systems.

00:09:39.780 So, yeah, I mean, that, I think, is, is a fundamental cause of fertility decline today is exposure

00:09:46.580 to toxic chemicals, but there are social causes as well, there are political causes as well.

00:09:52.240 I mean, it's a, it's a complicated problem fundamentally, but yes, the toxic exposures,

00:09:57.200 I think, need, need more exposure, as it were, you know, we need to know more about them.

00:10:01.760 And thankfully, we've got Marifaket Jr. now in a position where he can speak to the nation.

00:10:06.120 Well, I think it's incredible.

00:10:07.120 And I say here on, on the show all the time that when we had Richard Barris and we did

00:10:12.580 a polling update a couple of days ago, and I keep pointing out that the MAGA movement

00:10:17.380 is the second most popular political movement in America today.

00:10:20.860 The MAHA movement is actually the most popular movement.

00:10:24.480 This is why for the Trump administration, them actually delivering on so many of these issues

00:10:30.760 is absolutely key to bringing this all back on board.

00:10:34.020 And the coalition that President Trump put together politically, it gave people who may

00:10:39.000 have been on the fence on deportations or a variety of other issues, law and order, that

00:10:44.900 President Trump had championed to say, you know what, I can get on board with that, because

00:10:48.840 that's something that, you know, your crunchy suburban mom actually does care about. 1.00

00:10:54.020 Exactly.

00:10:54.560 Yeah.

00:10:54.680 I mean, this is a nonpartisan issue, or it should be.

00:10:57.000 Completely.

00:10:57.220 I mean, it's an indictment, actually, of the whole sort of polarisation process that's

00:11:04.220 taken place in recent years, certainly in the last decade, that actually being healthy has

00:11:09.880 become a right-wing issue, supposedly.

00:11:12.180 It's not.

00:11:12.800 I mean, everybody should care about their health.

00:11:15.240 And one of the things that was very good about the Tucker Tarson documentary, The End

00:11:18.680 of Men, was that it started with archival footage of John F. Kennedy saying, Americans are getting

00:11:24.800 fat.

00:11:25.640 Americans are unhealthy. 1.00

00:11:26.760 We need a national health drive. 0.72

00:11:28.580 We need to get back to young people being fit and healthy, because the future of the

00:11:33.440 nation depends on them.

00:11:34.960 And that was a very good way, actually, of forestalling criticism from the left, from the mainstream

00:11:40.320 media.

00:11:40.820 So, actually, the documentary was a light-wing sort of thing.

00:11:45.860 And here's a Democrat, one of their most famous Democrat execs saying that.

00:11:50.640 And in fact, and you compare that, by the way, with what Pete Hegseth has talked about.

00:11:55.060 And you look at the recruiting in the United States, and they'll say that children or, you

00:11:58.980 know, graduate, high school graduates, 17, 18-year-olds, aren't fit enough to even, they're

00:12:05.040 not fit for military service.

00:12:06.320 So, that's actually a national security issue when it comes down to it, because guess what?

00:12:11.620 The Russians are fit for military service. 1.00

00:12:13.200 The Chinese are fit for military service. 1.00

00:12:15.140 But the fact that Pete goes out, I think he's out in, I believe, the Philippines right

00:12:19.040 now.

00:12:19.260 He's on his Indo-Pacific trip, but he's hit Guam, he's hit Hawaii, he's now in the Philippines,

00:12:23.520 the first island chain there outside of China.

00:12:26.700 Because, but he goes and he does this PT, he does the physical training.

00:12:30.720 And you compare that to, say, Lloyd Austin or General Milley.

00:12:35.220 And I actually went down, I spent way too many hours doing this.

00:12:39.380 I was digging through the Pentagon archives to see if I could find one image of General

00:12:45.120 Milley performing some kind of physical, I couldn't find it, couldn't find his entire

00:12:49.420 career.

00:12:50.220 Well, I mean, the thing is, of course, you've got that iconic picture of General Milley with

00:12:54.480 the face visor.

00:12:56.020 That was Austin, that was Austin.

00:12:57.220 That was Austin, sorry.

00:12:58.620 Yeah, Lloyd Austin with the face visor, you know, at the height of the pandemic.

00:13:01.880 I mean, what an image to project of American military power and American military priorities.

00:13:09.000 You know, the Defense Secretary is so scared of something that's a little bit worse.

00:13:14.920 Did you see Trump talking about the, talking to the guy with the mask up today?

00:13:19.220 He said, you can still wear a little mask?

00:13:21.240 Is that, that makes you feel good?

00:13:23.220 Okay.

00:13:23.880 Yeah.

00:13:24.460 Wonderful.

00:13:24.860 I mean, just like, you know, a little rhyme smile on his face.

00:13:29.320 Okay.

00:13:29.620 Makes you feel, they've become adult pacifiers.

00:13:32.660 Yeah, they really, they really have.

00:13:34.240 I mean, when I was on my way, actually, here, then I saw some sort of like medical center

00:13:40.760 and it said COVID-19 testing this way.

00:13:43.440 And it's, it's incredible.

00:13:44.500 I mean, people are still, people are still taking it seriously, but they are.

00:13:48.040 Well, and it's, it's, what's incredible though, is they'll take all that seriously.

00:13:51.820 And yet when you have Robert F. Kennedy Jr., you have so many other issues that are out

00:13:56.900 there.

00:13:57.160 So many people talking about these things.

00:13:59.340 The obvious, you know, people would talk about, okay, here's the, the product, you know,

00:14:04.060 baby formula, use that as a great example.

00:14:05.940 You know, here's the formula in the United States.

00:14:08.120 Here's the formula in the EU.

00:14:09.580 Why does this have so many more ingredients on it than this one does?

00:14:14.320 And, and as a matter of fact, whenever, when we had our children, Tanya was getting, was

00:14:17.820 sourcing all of the baby formula back from Eastern Europe because it doesn't have any

00:14:21.700 of that.

00:14:22.580 Yeah.

00:14:22.860 Yeah.

00:14:23.060 Well, that's a, that's a big thing.

00:14:24.480 And, and luckily RFK Jr. fairly recently within.

00:14:27.760 Although I should, I should admit after, after we, we did things the traditional way.

00:14:31.380 Yeah.

00:14:31.840 Well, I think if you, I think if you combine breast milk and formula, then that's okay.

00:14:36.420 But it's these children who are exclusively reared on the worst kind of like soy formula,

00:14:43.380 for example, that really don't do very well.

00:14:46.580 And it sets them up for a lifetime of, of consuming processed food, because that's really

00:14:50.860 what the worst kinds of formula are, like processed foods.

00:14:53.860 Well, and, and, you know, it's, we should have Tanya on because she would always tell

00:14:57.360 me about this and, and maybe we will, when we come back in the next segment, you can talk

00:15:00.640 about it as well, because she always says when she came to America that she felt that the

00:15:05.380 food was wrong.

00:15:06.660 She said, this does not taste like the food that I've eaten my entire life in Eastern

00:15:10.620 Europe.

00:15:11.240 This doesn't taste like the meat doesn't taste real.

00:15:14.500 The bread doesn't taste real.

00:15:16.180 And to her mind, she couldn't think of a better word for it.

00:15:18.100 It just tasted plastic, tasted plastic.

00:15:21.060 So we're going to get into that.

00:15:21.960 And this is still what you're talking about.

00:15:23.620 These toxins that have been put into our foods.

00:15:26.660 And is it having a problem on fertility birth rates around the West?

00:15:30.960 Right back.

00:15:31.460 We're on draw egg nutritionalist.

00:15:34.180 She had a PhD, believe it or not.

00:15:36.020 I should have said that at some point.

00:15:37.480 Human events daily.

00:15:43.080 Today, you know, they talk about influencers.

00:15:45.660 These are influencers.

00:15:47.520 And they're friends of mine.

00:15:49.920 Jack Prasovic.

00:15:51.440 Where's Jack?

00:15:52.380 Jack.

00:15:53.340 He's done a great job.

00:15:54.800 He's done a great job.

00:15:57.460 All right, Jack Prasovic.

00:15:58.880 Here we are back live with the raw egg nationalist,

00:16:03.100 also known as Dr. Charles Cornish Dale.

00:16:06.100 You're a doctor.

00:16:06.980 What?

00:16:07.240 You're a PhD.

00:16:08.820 And probably some correspondence course,

00:16:10.920 not any university of note, right?

00:16:12.520 Where'd you go again?

00:16:13.600 Just the oldest university in the English-speaking world, Oxford.

00:16:16.900 I saw it.

00:16:17.740 So he's an Oxford PhD.

00:16:19.420 So, folks, you have an Oxford PhD who is telling you

00:16:23.260 that you need to pay attention to your family.

00:16:27.160 I want to get in, though.

00:16:28.260 We've only got five minutes in this block.

00:16:30.360 Tell me about this book that you've put together.

00:16:33.220 Is it out yet or is it coming in?

00:16:34.440 It's coming out, I believe, at the end of April from Passage Press.

00:16:38.540 One hour.

00:16:39.200 Incredible, incredible work.

00:16:40.240 We love the guys at Passage Press.

00:16:41.760 We'll be having dinner with them later tonight with the great Lomas,

00:16:44.040 who's always a regular here on the show.

00:16:46.460 He's become a regular.

00:16:48.080 What is the overall message of your book?

00:16:51.340 Why is liberalism tied to the death of masculinity in The Last Man?

00:16:55.800 Yeah, this is an interesting question.

00:16:58.480 It's a deep philosophical question as well.

00:17:01.080 It's an Nietzsche reference.

00:17:02.180 It is an Nietzsche reference via Fukuyama, actually.

00:17:05.040 So it's a reference to Fukuyama.

00:17:06.440 Oh, I see, I see.

00:17:07.380 End of history thesis.

00:17:09.060 So basically, Fukuyama has this thesis about the victory,

00:17:14.580 famous thesis about the victory of liberal capitalism over communism.

00:17:19.080 And he's commonly portrayed as the kind of great apologist

00:17:22.760 of liberal democracy and capitalism.

00:17:25.580 But actually, his book, The End of History, is a warning.

00:17:28.240 It's a warning about what happens to human beings when, you know,

00:17:34.400 like you have this economic system, this political system,

00:17:38.500 capitalism, liberal democracy, that doesn't actually allow men fully to be met, 0.76

00:17:43.300 actually.

00:17:43.720 So he talks about...

00:17:44.980 Sounds like a loss of vitality, vitalism.

00:17:47.380 Yes, yes.

00:17:48.020 So he says that, look, under a liberal democratic system,

00:17:51.400 you can be recognized as equal if you're a fellow man.

00:17:55.140 But you can't be recognized as better, and actually, as the ancient Greeks saw.

00:18:00.560 You know, that's a part of what inspires men to do stuff, is this desire to be met.

00:18:06.380 Or, as President Trump would say, greatness.

00:18:09.120 Yeah, precisely.

00:18:10.240 Because when Make America Great Again came down the escalator,

00:18:14.100 we're coming up on the 10-year anniversary of that, by the way,

00:18:16.360 that was the phrase, that word, that concept of greatness

00:18:20.380 had been completely removed from the American lexicon.

00:18:22.780 Yes, yeah, precisely, yeah.

00:18:24.560 It's not a word that you heard for a long time.

00:18:28.640 And yet we have Alexander the Great, Pope Gregory the Great.

00:18:33.260 It is a title, Peter the Great.

00:18:36.220 These are titles that throughout history men have aspired to.

00:18:40.880 Exactly.

00:18:41.580 So, I mean, so liberalism, I think, in itself,

00:18:44.720 this kind of triumph of liberal democracy post-1989,

00:18:47.520 poses a kind of civilizational question about the value of masculinity.

00:18:52.780 But then what I'm saying is, look, there's this kind of political problem,

00:18:57.500 but beneath it, making it far worse, is a biological problem.

00:19:01.280 And that is, in particular, a massive decline in fertility, male fertility,

00:19:08.140 testosterone levels in particular.

00:19:09.800 So it's well substantiated.

00:19:11.420 But you're saying the testosterone,

00:19:12.680 the low testosterone levels that we're seeing across the West

00:19:14.780 are actually a symptom of what's going on.

00:19:16.600 They're both a symptom and a cause, I think.

00:19:18.680 So I think that, yes, I mean, if you don't allow men, 0.99

00:19:23.120 within a political system, you don't allow men to express themselves fully as men,

00:19:28.200 yes, that drives testosterone. 1.00

00:19:30.600 And that's how you get Tim Walz and Joe Biden and Monk Carney, the Canadian.

00:19:37.020 He's basically Joe Biden North, by the way.

00:19:39.020 He's basically Joe Biden North.

00:19:40.140 And he was the exchequer in England, right?

00:19:45.540 He was.

00:19:46.140 Prior to this, he did a pretty good job there, right?

00:19:48.600 England's really great now.

00:19:50.120 And so they brought him back over to Canada. 0.98

00:19:52.080 It's so ridiculous. 0.98

00:19:53.160 You put together, and we can all realize it. 0.98

00:19:55.660 We realize that when you see the Justin Trudeaus,

00:19:58.360 when you see the Joe Bidens,

00:19:59.580 there is something missing from all of them.

00:20:03.080 Tell people when the book comes out,

00:20:05.080 where can they go to follow you

00:20:06.360 to get more access to the book and your writings?

00:20:08.760 So the book comes out at the end of next month,

00:20:11.680 I believe, via Passage Press.

00:20:13.500 The website is passage.press.

00:20:16.120 If you're interested in my work,

00:20:17.600 then, of course, follow me on Twitter at BabyGravy9,

00:20:20.380 the infamous handle.

00:20:22.060 I have a sub stack, rawagestack.com.

00:20:25.020 And I'm also the founder and editor-in-chief of Mansworld Magazine,

00:20:28.980 which is like a sort of playboy magazine

00:20:31.680 for the massively online internet generation.

00:20:34.760 That's mansworldmag.online.

00:20:37.880 But Twitter is really the best place to go,

00:20:39.660 and that's where I post all the content links.

00:20:42.320 It's just the best social media now.

00:20:44.700 Full stop.

00:20:45.680 It's everything you need.

00:20:47.060 You can reach out to everyone.

00:20:48.400 There are battles.

00:20:49.360 You can hash everything out.

00:20:50.480 It's incredible.

00:20:50.960 And you also, by the way,

00:20:51.840 you have a recipe book too, right?

00:20:53.440 I do, yeah.

00:20:54.840 The Raw Egg Nationalism Cookbook.

00:20:56.760 The Raw Egg Nationalism.

00:20:57.380 I think I have a copy of that.

00:20:58.460 I think Tanya and I have a copy of this.

00:21:00.540 So we'll have to go back to Raw Egg Nationalism Cookbook.

00:21:03.480 So get healthy, get fit.

00:21:06.400 Dr. Charles.

00:21:08.060 Absolutely pleasure.

00:21:08.860 Thank you.

00:21:09.660 Finally got him on the show, folks.

00:21:11.060 You finally got him on.

00:21:11.820 All right, stay tuned.

00:21:12.640 We'll be right back with the founder of the NATO Conference 2025.

00:21:16.800 And Jack, where's Jack?

00:21:29.960 Where's Jack?

00:21:32.120 Where is he?

00:21:33.400 Jack, I want to see you.

00:21:37.060 Great job, Jack.

00:21:38.480 Thank you.

00:21:39.240 What a job you do.

00:21:40.660 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:21:41.840 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.

00:21:44.360 But we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting politicians.

00:21:47.960 Doofus dads, right?

00:21:49.340 I mean, like, that's all we ever see.

00:21:50.840 And I'm okay with poking fun at dad.

00:21:53.060 Yeah.

00:21:53.260 But it's every show.

00:21:55.380 And you and I talked about it from Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin.

00:21:59.800 And those are funny.

00:22:00.620 But it's every show.

00:22:01.580 And I think what, and I want to get your take on this, what concerns me is my sons, what

00:22:06.580 do they watch on television?

00:22:07.940 Right.

00:22:08.140 Whether it's Disney Channel, Nickelodeon, or all shows, what they're seeing, and media's 1.00

00:22:12.600 powerful, that dad's an idiot. 1.00

00:22:14.880 That's exactly what it is. 1.00

00:22:15.720 I hope I'm giving another example at home.

00:22:17.360 Maybe not all the time, but I'm trying.

00:22:18.800 And look, the best example they're ever going to get is from you, because they're going

00:22:21.820 to learn from you.

00:22:22.340 Right.

00:22:22.480 But a lot of the dads I talked to said the same thing.

00:22:24.320 They said, you know, pop culture does give kids messages.

00:22:27.300 Some boys out there are going to think that that's the low bar he's expected to rise to.

00:22:31.460 Some girls out there will grow up to become women who have very low expectations for how 1.00

00:22:35.360 good fathers their husbands will be.

00:22:37.620 All right, Jack, here we are live.

00:22:39.940 We are on Human Events Daily.

00:22:42.220 I want to welcome in again, our three of the Charlie Perk Show on the Salem Radio Network.

00:22:48.020 We are here in Austin, Texas, for the start of the NATO Conference 2025, all about making

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00:24:34.120 And we're on, as I mentioned before, Kevin Dolan, the founder of the Natal Conference.

00:24:38.240 How are you?

00:24:38.920 Great to be here, man.

00:24:39.960 So what was the inspiration for putting together a conference like this?

00:24:45.220 What drove you to want to get into this sort of issue set?

00:24:48.560 Yeah, so I run a fraternity called Exit with a group of guys, and we were watching Tucker

00:24:52.160 Carlson's documentary, The End of Men, which featured Roy Agnational.

00:24:56.060 That's right.

00:24:56.860 And we thought, you know, we knew several of those people, and we thought there's a bigger

00:25:00.860 conversation to be had where it's, yes, I think that the medical...

00:25:04.580 So this is all Tucker's fault.

00:25:05.800 It's all Tucker's fault.

00:25:06.940 Ah, it's all coming out.

00:25:08.540 We tried to grab him.

00:25:09.360 I think he's out of town.

00:25:10.900 It's hard to pin that guy down.

00:25:12.240 It is indeed.

00:25:13.380 So we thought, instead of just the medical side of it, what if we talked about, you

00:25:17.720 know, the challenge of dating, the challenge of getting married, the challenge of staying

00:25:22.040 married, of raising a family.

00:25:23.920 Like, there's all kinds of dimensions to this problem.

00:25:27.500 And so we thought, let's bring everybody together that we possibly can to address it.

00:25:31.560 And so we had our last one December 2023, and now we're doing it again this weekend.

00:25:35.380 But this is incredible because, you know, and something that I do plan to address, and

00:25:39.820 thank you for allowing me to come and speak at the dinner tonight, is that, you know, there's

00:25:44.580 a civilizational issue, but there's a phrase that we say at church, even in the Latin mass

00:25:50.920 churches, that I think applies here.

00:25:53.340 And we say, if your church ain't crying, it's dying.

00:25:55.500 If your church ain't crying, it's dying.

00:25:57.740 Well, guess what?

00:25:58.460 If your civilization ain't crying, it's dying.

00:26:01.660 The Chinese understand this.

00:26:03.340 India understands this.

00:26:04.560 Russia understands this.

00:26:05.960 The countries all around the world, Hungary, of course, they all understand this, that if you

00:26:09.140 want your civilization to continue, you must produce children. 1.00

00:26:12.880 It seems like a very basic thing to say, and probably something not that radical.

00:26:17.820 It's something I think we all sort of inherently understand when we're children.

00:26:21.380 And yet something sort of happens as we get older where we just sort of forget that and

00:26:25.900 run away with it.

00:26:26.940 We've been talking about the Snow White debacle here over the last couple of weeks.

00:26:31.920 But even then, in a traditional story, the archetypal story of Snow White, the woman's virtue that

00:26:38.760 she is protecting from the evil queen, who is then come and saved by a knight.

00:26:43.260 I mean, that's it right there.

00:26:44.440 That's it right there.

00:26:45.440 There's a reason these traditional stories are handed down to us through hundreds of years and

00:26:49.400 obviously even thousands of years of the story of the damsel in distress and the knight.

00:26:53.400 There's a reason we have that.

00:26:55.040 And yet modernity has sort of shattered all of it.

00:26:57.540 Yes, absolutely.

00:26:58.100 I think that the way that things are breaking apart, it's messing with people's just fundamental

00:27:05.620 understanding of themselves.

00:27:07.000 And I think child rearing is being treated nowadays.

00:27:09.760 So when I mentioned that I have six kids, you get treated like it's a weird hobby for some

00:27:15.140 subculture of people.

00:27:16.500 And it's as close to the root of the human experience as you can get.

00:27:20.460 It's like the most fundamental human thing.

00:27:22.360 Having five or more children was completely normal up until like 70 years ago.

00:27:28.020 Right, right.

00:27:28.700 Up until the pill, basically.

00:27:29.760 Yeah.

00:27:30.060 And so I would almost turn it on its head and I would say like, you know, I'm not having

00:27:34.560 kids to save civilization.

00:27:37.160 I'm going to save civilization for my kids.

00:27:39.680 I love that.

00:27:40.340 And I think it's like, and that often gets misconstrued.

00:27:43.400 It's like people are like, you're looking at these bar charts and line graphs and you're

00:27:47.240 trying to make the data, you know, get the numbers right.

00:27:49.800 And that's not what it's about at all.

00:27:50.880 It's about, it's about our families.

00:27:52.620 And the problem is that all these bar charts and data are showing us that there's a massive

00:27:57.140 problem coming for our kids.

00:27:58.520 And so like, when I look at the dating situation or how many millennials, how many Gen Z are

00:28:04.260 actually having kids, I'm thinking about my kids who are kind of next at bat.

00:28:08.840 And like, I couldn't possibly just sit on my hands and not try to build something better

00:28:14.300 for them.

00:28:15.060 And so that's what we're about is getting people together to address this problem.

00:28:18.320 And, you know, I don't, I'm, I'm, I'm not a PhD.

00:28:20.340 I don't pretend to have the answers on any of this.

00:28:23.900 That's why I wanted to bring together as broad of a group of people as I possibly could

00:28:27.480 to, to, to look at it from every angle we could think of and try to find a solution.

00:28:32.420 Well, and it's, it's also, and we talked about at the beginning of the program here,

00:28:35.840 that this has been an issue that it's not, by the way, just us looking at the stats and

00:28:40.520 the numbers.

00:28:40.980 No, it's, it's the bean counters, it's bureaucrats and it's the multinational corporations.

00:28:45.340 And so their response is when they saw this happening, when they saw this decline in the

00:28:49.020 birth rates to coming, what they decided to then do was open the floodgates and say,

00:28:53.760 let's, let's import as many third worlders as possible, or just anybody who wants to come 1.00

00:28:58.000 into the country.

00:28:59.360 Obviously there, there are priorities to this.

00:29:02.520 You can see European migration is very, very hard to come in if you're European, but if

00:29:06.540 you're someone from anywhere in the global South, it's perfectly easy to come to the

00:29:10.420 United States.

00:29:10.860 This is obviously done for economic reasons, because in order to sustain the welfare state

00:29:16.900 that they've created, in order to sustain the global capitalist market, the markets that

00:29:21.640 have been created, you need a continual influx of people and this growing and ever expanding

00:29:26.260 GDP, which of course is always being predicated on, uh, simply people as, as being chogs in 0.99

00:29:33.260 some machine somewhere.

00:29:34.400 And this is where I think MAGA and populism and really all sort of unite because wait a

00:29:40.860 minute, we're not interchangeable units.

00:29:43.260 As a matter of fact, we are real people with real history, with real civilization.

00:29:47.420 And the idea that you can just mix and match everything, it's, it's completely bonkers.

00:29:52.680 It's, it's, it's, by the way, it's non-biblical, uh, for anyone who's ever read the Tower of

00:29:56.700 Babel, God created the nations, God created the languages.

00:30:00.200 And the point being is that this is all ordained for some higher reason.

00:30:04.800 And when you ask about the breakdowns of so many of these different systems in our country,

00:30:10.860 go back to the family unit.

00:30:12.280 I said this before.

00:30:12.900 The family unit is the oldest institution that we have evidence for on planet earth.

00:30:19.000 You can go back to the, they find these caves and, and the anthropologists, they, they take

00:30:24.020 up the bones and what do they find in them?

00:30:25.700 Right.

00:30:25.960 100,000 years ago, 200,000 years ago.

00:30:29.000 Mom, dad, kids.

00:30:31.000 We break it.

00:30:32.060 Right.

00:30:32.660 Yeah.

00:30:32.980 It's, and, and, and you have to get people back to it and understanding of themselves as part

00:30:38.320 of families.

00:30:38.900 And I think one of the things that's the biggest challenge we face right now is this, the sense

00:30:43.620 that, uh, you see this with the 4B movement in South Korea.

00:30:45.800 I don't know if you're familiar with this idea that women's companies are using all these.

00:30:49.640 Yeah.

00:30:49.900 So, I mean, implicitly, certainly.

00:30:51.860 Well, it, it takes its name.

00:30:53.480 This, I, I have a little spin on that.

00:30:55.320 I had to this video in viral talking about it because the 4B, so B is Bu, and which in 0.96

00:31:00.700 Mandarin, similar to the, to the Korean is no.

00:31:02.940 So the 4Nos, well, the 4Nos campaign is something that literally came out of the Chinese cultural

00:31:07.280 revolution.

00:31:07.700 Oh, okay.

00:31:08.560 Yeah.

00:31:08.820 So, so it's, it's basically women and men both.

00:31:12.980 And this is, you know, it's, it's, you can see the charts.

00:31:14.840 It's like women are profoundly radicalizing toward the left and men are sort of slightly

00:31:18.920 declining.

00:31:19.560 And so the 4Bs, it's, I'm trying to remember, it's something like it's, it's, it's no marriage,

00:31:23.680 no marriage.

00:31:24.840 I think it's like don't date.

00:31:26.520 Yeah.

00:31:26.740 Don't date.

00:31:27.400 And it's, it's, it's completely hard.

00:31:29.380 Right.

00:31:29.600 And what I see that's the problem with that is like men and women cannot think of themselves 1.00

00:31:37.220 as like adversarial political constituencies.

00:31:40.760 We have to think of ourselves as families.

00:31:42.800 We have to understand there's so much of that.

00:31:44.980 And so much of that.

00:31:46.960 And we've been, Joshua Lysak, who I work with, has been talking about this a lot that, you

00:31:51.780 know, we've sort of, sort of won the fight against third wave feminism, but second wave 1.00

00:31:56.460 feminism is still there. 1.00

00:31:57.760 And I think you're exactly right that it's pit men and women against each other.

00:32:02.360 And that's always been sort of at the kernel of it.

00:32:05.100 It's not about, you know, they say it's about women's liberation.

00:32:07.740 They say it's, oh, you know, women can be in the workforce. 1.00

00:32:09.600 Okay, fine.

00:32:10.000 But why do you have to be adversarial?

00:32:12.500 Right.

00:32:12.840 And I think part of the challenge with careerism is this sense of trust.

00:32:19.280 It's like, you know, because if you're asking a woman to start a family with you, you're asking 0.99

00:32:23.960 her to give up sort of some of these productive years of her life on the trust that you are going

00:32:30.220 to be there later, and then, you know, vice versa, it's like you're investing in this

00:32:34.600 woman and her kids, and you're, you're, you're, almost like a type of relationship that would

00:32:38.340 require, I don't know, a religious vow, like a covenant, yeah, exactly.

00:32:43.160 And wait, maybe these things are there for a reason.

00:32:45.220 Well, right.

00:32:45.700 And I guess what I would say is, like, if you want to, if you want to sort of critique

00:32:49.880 the details of how that went, and maybe, maybe it wasn't exactly fair, you know, in prior

00:32:56.180 generations, I think that conversation is fine to have.

00:32:58.680 But you can't replace it with nothing.

00:33:01.140 You can't, you can't just jettison the whole thing.

00:33:03.180 This is Chesterton's fence.

00:33:04.400 Exactly.

00:33:04.980 This is Chesterton's fence.

00:33:05.900 If, if the fence is there, don't take it down unless you, until you know the reason that

00:33:09.320 the fence was there in the first place.

00:33:10.720 Don't remove things in our society, in these building blocks that have got us to the point

00:33:16.120 that we're at now without realizing why they existed to begin with.

00:33:20.280 So, you know, we were so happy to institute no-fault divorce.

00:33:23.820 We were so excited to introduce sexual liberation in the 60s through the 70s.

00:33:29.220 All these, oh, there's this program, there's this program.

00:33:31.440 And I, I remember, I remember seeing, um, these ads, even when I was in college, that freeze

00:33:36.220 your eggs, right?

00:33:36.900 Remember when you freeze your eggs?

00:33:37.740 Oh, just here to make someone money.

00:33:39.400 Uh, you can freeze your eggs.

00:33:40.580 And, you know, half of them can be for you later.

00:33:43.160 And then the other half will go to be studied.

00:33:45.140 And then you hear these stories about these, about women who have done this and they go

00:33:48.040 to get the eggs and, oh, there was a problem with the lab and no more eggs.

00:33:51.120 I mean, they were just completely lied to about the liability of that process.

00:33:54.280 Oh yeah.

00:33:54.840 And I mean, it's just devastating to people.

00:33:56.440 I mean, in fact, they hit them during the global financial crisis.

00:33:59.500 So, you know, people are in debt.

00:34:00.780 They're trying to figure out what to do.

00:34:01.800 I mean, I, I, I'm very empathetic here.

00:34:04.280 Yeah.

00:34:04.600 And the reason that goes for like, you know, $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 is that almost everybody,

00:34:11.600 including, you know, career women, career oriented women want to have a family. 1.00

00:34:15.740 And so what we're about is trying to help people get what they want.

00:34:19.260 It's, it shouldn't be that radical folks, but for some reason it is, uh, media is very,

00:34:25.460 very upset.

00:34:26.160 They seem to think that we're all very naughty for getting together to even have these conversations.

00:34:31.140 And then, and then you listen to it and it's, yeah, we should have kids.

00:34:34.280 Wow.

00:34:34.640 What a, what a radical revolutionary topic, perhaps in the midst of under modernity.

00:34:40.120 It is revolutionary topic.

00:34:41.620 Be right back with Kevin Dole and the founder of the Adol Conference 2025 here in Austin,

00:34:46.420 Texas.

00:34:46.720 Jack is a great guy.

00:35:04.500 He's written a fantastic book.

00:35:06.260 Everybody's talking about it.

00:35:07.500 Go get it.

00:35:08.680 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:35:12.580 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.

00:35:15.740 Amen.

00:35:16.140 You know it.

00:35:18.420 You feel it.

00:35:19.300 These guys are creepy.

00:35:20.400 And yes, just weird as hell. 0.77

00:35:22.100 That's what you see.

00:35:23.440 A bill that every boy's bathroom will have tampons.

00:35:27.980 Okay.

00:35:29.960 Hence his name.

00:35:32.360 Tampon Tim.

00:35:32.960 I got an 18 year old Gus and I'm without Gus out there.

00:35:36.060 And I was giving Gus my wisdom on what he had done wrong.

00:35:39.320 You know, I was being, because I know these things, right?

00:35:41.340 I'm the dad.

00:35:42.180 In the middle of it, he, he gives me the old, says the guy who got his kicked by Donald Trump.

00:35:46.520 And I'm like, okay.

00:35:47.180 It never fits quite right.

00:35:48.880 It never fits quite right.

00:35:50.480 It's not quite right.

00:35:51.400 How do you give it back?

00:35:52.920 I think I scare him a little bit.

00:35:54.120 That's why they spend so much time on this.

00:35:55.980 No, I'm serious.

00:35:56.700 Because I can fix a truck. 0.97

00:35:58.020 They know I'm not bullsh**. 0.99

00:35:59.240 These old white guys who seem to disappoint us on a regular basis in this country. 1.00

00:36:03.680 I think we need a shadow government. 0.69

00:36:05.780 We got ourselves in this mess because we weren't bold enough to stand up and say, 0.88

00:36:09.760 you damn right were proud of these policies. 0.85

00:36:15.220 All right, Jack. 0.98

00:36:15.900 So we are back.

00:36:16.600 Final segment here, Human Events Daily.

00:36:19.160 We're at the Natal Conference 2025.

00:36:21.240 We're speaking with Kevin Dolan, the founder of the conference.

00:36:25.340 Kevin, so we've been covering a lot here.

00:36:28.440 The decline of families.

00:36:30.220 Earlier when we were withdrawing nationalists, we talked about the decline of masculinity.

00:36:33.640 In fact, the attempted assassination of masculinity in this country.

00:36:38.800 And here's, here's something that, that I'll, I'll, I'll actually say though.

00:36:43.020 I don't know if I've ever said this publicly.

00:36:44.640 People will say, well, you know, women are to blame, women are to blame, women are to blame. 0.98

00:36:49.200 And I disagree.

00:36:50.320 I actually think it's the men who are, who have more to blame here.

00:36:53.300 And, and here's why, because we've allowed the situation to become the way it is.

00:36:57.700 Well, you know, I don't even know if it makes sense to couch it in those terms.

00:37:01.480 Like, like.

00:37:02.100 It doesn't.

00:37:02.820 It doesn't.

00:37:03.100 Millions of people on both sides.

00:37:04.400 But you know what I mean.

00:37:05.080 But yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:05.840 No, I think, I think it's clearly.

00:37:08.000 Because we've gone along with it.

00:37:09.620 We've gone along with it for so long.

00:37:11.240 And I think that, I think that every, you know, red blooded dude out there knows that this isn't right. 1.00

00:37:18.320 Isn't right.

00:37:19.340 Yeah.

00:37:19.800 Yeah.

00:37:20.160 I think that's absolutely correct.

00:37:21.460 And, and, and, you know, we do have to get to, I think it's, I think it's an effort to like,

00:37:25.340 defang masculinity because of this issue of trust.

00:37:30.500 It's like, we've gotten to this point where we don't trust each other.

00:37:33.980 And so it's like, when you treat somebody like an enemy, it's like, well, then what I want most for that enemy is to be harmless.

00:37:40.340 Right.

00:37:40.640 And it's like, if you understand men and women as, as, as compliments and as building something together, then yeah, you want, you want men to be dangerous.

00:37:50.760 You want them to be strong.

00:37:51.720 This is what, and I, and I was talking about it before.

00:37:53.800 When you heard these things that the new Snow White actress was saying, the, the playing around with, with some of these concepts as if it was, as if it's just nothing.

00:38:03.760 We're not, she doesn't need a man to save her anymore. 1.00

00:38:08.200 The Prince was a stalker. 0.93

00:38:10.400 The Prince was committed essentially, she didn't say this, but they were likening it to a form of soft date rape. 0.93

00:38:16.760 When he goes to give her the kiss to waken her from the sleeping death with the poison apple, adding on all of this complete nonsense to it.

00:38:27.660 But I, what I don't think she realized it, and by the way, the actress, I don't think she's just parroting things that she's heard.

00:38:32.540 But the point is, what they're doing is they're, they're going into these very important head rock concepts of our civilization, of our families, of our children.

00:38:43.800 And they're just, they're just completely erasing everything that's been there.

00:38:47.780 Yeah.

00:38:48.020 And I think that there's something deep in, in the essence of, of the welfare state and feminism and all these things.

00:38:55.560 It's, it's an attempt to, to eradicate things that rely on trust, that rely on goodwill, that rely on love.

00:39:02.580 It's, it's trying to build a society without love.

00:39:05.160 And that's, that's what I see is, is, is, is, you know, because we can't trust each other to love each other.

00:39:10.100 We can't trust society to have love.

00:39:11.840 So we have to have these rules, we have to have these, these, these, you know, forced expropriations.

00:39:17.960 Committees and processes and bureaucracy layers.

00:39:21.360 It's the long house, right?

00:39:22.320 But I, we've talked about the long house on the program before, but this idea of this, this, you know, gynocentric sort of rule by committee, rule by school marm type, type process.

00:39:32.680 But you're right, because what, what does run through all of it?

00:39:36.580 It's a lack of love.

00:39:37.480 And, and actually it's like, I think most women, even, even the ones who are sort of, uh, exercised about this topic in a negative way.

00:39:47.860 I think most women want to have a family. 1.00

00:39:51.580 Of course.

00:39:52.320 It's, what, what it is, is they don't trust the solutions or they don't think it's possible.

00:39:58.540 And so they see it as like, you're trying to, you're trying to con me, you're trying to scam me, you're trying to get one around.

00:40:03.540 Yes, yes.

00:40:03.880 But that doesn't mean the thing is not something they want.

00:40:06.460 So it's like, how do you, how do you create a situation where people can trust each other and connect with one another?

00:40:13.700 Even.

00:40:14.080 And be on each other's side.

00:40:15.080 Even Taylor Swift, after having her heart broken so many times, she still finds her way back to the arms of the Super Bowl champion.

00:40:24.960 You know, of course, of course they lost to my Eagle.

00:40:27.120 So I'm not, he didn't get the, he didn't, wasn't able to get down on one knee like I, like I think he was hoping for.

00:40:32.540 But he, he did, right?

00:40:33.400 You can see it, that she's upheld as this feminist icon. 0.98

00:40:36.300 And yet every single one of her songs is about wanting love.

00:40:40.540 It's, it's about a search for love.

00:40:42.080 Sure.

00:40:42.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:43.160 And so I think, I think it's so important to see that and, and to get people together who care about this issue so that they can, so they can find a better way.

00:40:55.660 Where can people go to find out more information about the conference?

00:40:57.960 Yeah, so it's natalism.org.

00:41:00.260 Natalism.org.

00:41:02.060 Now, will portions of it be posted live?

00:41:04.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:05.020 Or more after.

00:41:05.780 Or more after.

00:41:05.800 The main speeches are going to go on YouTube.

00:41:06.980 Okay, great.

00:41:07.480 So that'll be up on YouTube.

00:41:09.080 And there are portions of it that won't, though.

00:41:11.320 So sorry to all the journalists out there.

00:41:13.680 Sorry to Jason Wilson at the party.

00:41:15.880 And oh, no, no, no.

00:41:16.860 I'm so sad.

00:41:18.020 I'm so sad for you.

00:41:19.240 I'm so sad that your life is so terrible and horrible and awful. 0.92

00:41:22.680 And your kids hate you that, actually, you probably don't even have kids. 0.66

00:41:26.780 Ovi, thank you so much for, for joining us here on Human Events Daily.

00:41:30.480 Boy, we were at the White House yesterday.

00:41:31.900 And now today we're completely off the rails.

00:41:34.400 Had some pretty good blackout coffee.

00:41:35.800 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay a short.

00:41:37.980 We'll be right back.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - March 28, 2025

NATALISM AND THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF MASCULINITY

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