What happens when the Fourth Turning meets 5th Generation Warfare? A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran, Jack Posobiec, joins host Jack to discuss a new column claiming that MAGA is wrong on Ukraine.
00:00:51.100It's the first time we've heard from Pope Francis since he was hospitalized.
00:00:59.120But, of course, it's also a reflection of the toll that this illness has taken on him.
00:01:04.840You can hear the frailty in his voice after spending three weeks in the hospital for what started out as a bad case of bronchitis and has since devolved into double pneumonia.
00:01:15.720This morning, President Trump with a dizzying reversal, allowing Mexico and Canada to avoid 25% tariffs on many goods just days after imposing them.
00:01:24.900According to the White House, about half of imports from Mexico and only 38% of goods from Canada qualify for the pause, including auto parts and most produce.
00:01:33.780Look, our country's been ripped off by everybody.
00:02:08.260I find that in terms of getting a final settlement, it may be easier dealing with Russia, which is surprising because they have all the cards.
00:02:17.480And they're bombing the hell out of them right now.
00:02:21.420Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to today's edition of Human Events Daily, live Washington, D.C.
00:03:15.640The world that you seem to be talking about doesn't exist anymore.
00:03:20.120There's this fantasy of an Anglo-American-led global order where some noble chessboard where London and Washington move the pieces and everyone just kind of nods along.
00:03:30.120Well, that era is dead, and it's been bleeding out since Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, all the endless wars that all of the neocon buddies cheered for.
00:03:56.020And so you may scoff at Trump wanting some peace in Ukraine like it's a naive betrayal of the Atlanticist dreams.
00:04:02.880But what's naive is thinking that we can keep boring billions and hundreds of billions of dollars into a meat grinder halfway around the world while our own borders a sieve.
00:05:50.560So, Roger, we had Congressman Byron Donalds here on the program yesterday, and he was giving us a real preview of some of the issues that he intends to use in his run in this new primary where he's already received the endorsement of President Trump for the Florida governor's race.
00:06:08.520But, Roger, I'm sure, just like any of these other primaries in a red state like this, you're going to have other people get involved.
00:06:15.340You're going to have other big-name candidates who want to get in as well, even in the face, potentially, of this Trump endorsement.
00:06:22.160So, Roger, if you could handicap for us the gubernatorial race of Florida for 2026.
00:06:39.420As I predicted well over two years ago, the governor's wife, Casey DeSantis, has announced that she is seriously considering a race.
00:06:49.120This is really because, first of all, Ron DeSantis is term limited.
00:06:52.780He can only serve two terms, so he'll be out of office at the end of 2026, and yes, he wants to run for president again in 2028, although I don't think he could beat J.D. Vance, or if J.D. Vance chose not to run, I don't think he could beat anyone for that matter.
00:07:07.920But in this particular case, this is shaping up as a proxy fight.
00:07:12.320While Governor DeSantis and his wife were on their way to Washington to ask the president to remain neutral in the primary, I can think of no reason, given DeSantis' betrayal of Trump in the presidential campaign, why he would do that, the president actually tweeted a warm endorsement of Byron Donalds.
00:07:31.720Now, a word of caution, the early polls will show Casey DeSantis far ahead because she has superior name ID, simply based on people's knowledge of her governor, her husband, the governor.
00:07:46.260By the way, Adam Putnam was far, far ahead of Ron DeSantis until governor, or pardon me, gubernatorial candidate DeSantis was endorsed by Donald Trump, and then he took off like a rocket.
00:07:59.040So the Trump endorsement, particularly in the sunshine state, this is the gold standard, and I would imagine before it's over that Trump will actually stump for Byron Donalds.
00:08:13.140Even here in the sunshine state, where Governor DeSantis remains relatively popular, he's not as popular as the president, and frankly, the DeSantis candidacy offended a lot of MAGA voters.
00:08:25.780The fact that he took a lot of money from neocons and from the establishment, but the cheapest shot here, Jack, was when Byron made it clear he was running for governor and the president endorsed him.
00:08:41.180Governor DeSantis criticized Byron Donalds for missing votes in Congress when he was out campaigning for President Trump in 2024,
00:08:49.200which is ironic because Ron DeSantis missed a record number of votes while he himself was running for governor.
00:09:00.500And this is really something that I think anyone can say in politics, that of course there's always going to be votes on the table, there's always going to be jobs that can be done.
00:09:10.300Of course we know exactly where Byron Donalds was.
00:09:12.400Byron Donalds, by the way, didn't make a, didn't try to hide where he was.
00:09:17.600He was in the streets of Philadelphia, he was going up to Detroit, he was working the cities for President Trump throughout 2024.
00:09:23.900In fact, he made a great showing of it, and a lot of those videos, coming from the Philadelphia area myself,
00:09:29.660that really had a fantastic impact in swinging the state for President Trump.
00:09:35.780He's shown an ability to be able to go into those neighborhoods, to reach out to those types of voters,
00:09:40.640and of course this all is presaged, and people forget, by the way, that the first Trump post-rally pizza stop was, in fact, with Byron Donalds and his son.
00:09:52.320They went for a round of pizzas after his event, and it became a sort of perennial tradition along the Trump campaign thereafter
00:10:01.120to go out and get food at a local establishment after a rally.
00:10:04.400But it was actually Byron Donalds, and I want to say either, it was either Fort Myers or Sarasota, where they did the first one.
00:10:11.260And so, Roger, this is a case, I think, where you're exactly right, that a lot of the moves we're seeing right now
00:10:17.160are also directly tied to a potential 2028 primary.
00:10:22.900And I believe Florida Politics had a poll out earlier today that said, if it were held today, that in the state of Florida,
00:10:30.060J.D. Vance would best Governor DeSantis by 14 points in Florida alone.
00:10:36.180So it really seems to me like a lot of this is a proxy fight, the Tallahassee fight, for the potential 2028 primary,
00:10:46.420Yeah, for people who don't live in Florida, they may not remember the background, but Ron DeSantis was a rather undistinguished three-term congressman.
00:10:55.300He says, by the way, that Byron Donalds is not qualified to be governor, but Donalds has been in the House the same three terms
00:11:01.420that DeSantis was in the House when he ran for governor.
00:15:11.240We're on with legendary political strategist Roger Stone.
00:15:14.800Roger, we're about one week away, just about, I'm going to think around this time,
00:15:20.300one week ago, is when President Trump was giving Zelensky the boot from the Oval Office.
00:15:26.620First of all, Roger, I've got to ask, in all your years in politics, have you ever seen something like this at a presidential level right there in the Oval?
00:15:35.000And secondly, what do you think were some of the influences on Zelensky that led him to disrespect the People's House in such a way?
00:15:42.740Well, it was interesting to see Susan Rice, the former national security advisor to Joe Biden and also to Barack Obama, say that the meeting was a setup.
00:15:53.760But it was Zelensky who was trying to set up Trump.
00:15:57.840There are credible reports that Zelensky met or spoke with former Secretary of State Antony Blinken, former Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland,
00:16:08.940the architect of the disaster in Ukraine, as well as Susan Rice and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, as well as Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut, who talked about it on his ex-speed.
00:16:24.060Now, if they urged him to not to take a peace deal or not to sign an agreement regarding minerals, that is a serious violation of the Logan Act.
00:16:34.080The Logan Act specifically says that private citizens cannot have their own foreign policy, that only the president can conduct foreign policy.
00:16:42.480And contacting foreign leaders to urge them to undertake any course other than that that is the official policy of the United States is a serious crime.
00:16:51.520You may remember Joe Biden wanted to jack up General Flynn, claiming that his conversations when he was named national security advisor with the ambassador to Russia violated the Logan Act.
00:17:05.440They didn't because Flynn didn't propose any specific course of action, as we now know.
00:17:11.820Back during the Vietnam War, when there were claims that after LBJ called for a bombing halt, that Nixon had passed word through an intermediary to the South Vietnamese, urging them not to go to the peace table prior to the election.
00:17:28.280That turned out not to be true, according to historian Luke Nictor.
00:17:32.720But it was widely believed, and the left went completely insane.
00:17:36.260They said it was treason and that Nixon should have been prosecuted.
00:17:39.680So, once again, you have the double standard.
00:17:42.500This is something I think Kash Patel should investigate.
00:17:45.820And if they did, in fact, get Wiesglinski and urge him not to cooperate with the president of the United States, they should be prosecuted.
00:17:54.560Roger, and of course, we remember this.
00:17:56.220We remember the Logan Act prosecution.
00:17:57.960We remember Sally Yates leading that when she was the acting attorney general.
00:18:02.600We remember all these investigations that were launched are completely nonsense into Flynn, who, by the way, was the incoming national security advisor duly appointed by the president-elect.
00:18:12.160And now you have a situation where people who have no ties to government whatsoever would be getting in.
00:18:18.100And, of course, why would Zelensky throw something like this, a deal which, look, I was there with him in Kiev when he reneged on the deal with Besant.
00:18:27.700Then he goes to Munich and he reneged on the deal with J.D. Vance.
00:18:31.000So, finally, you would think, Roger, I thought for sure that what he really wanted out of all of this was an Oval Office visit, that he wanted that to be able to show face back home.
00:18:41.920He's going to have to run for president again at some point in Ukraine after the war is over and martial law runs out.
00:18:47.280So, certainly, you would go to that signing ceremony, which, and by the way, for folks who think this was some kind of pre-planned ambush or something, the pens were already laid out.
00:18:58.300The documents were laid out in the East Room of the White House.
00:19:49.220He can't wear a suit and tie to meet the president of the United States.
00:19:52.120He wore a suit and tie when he spoke to the World Economic Forum.
00:19:55.560He wore a suit and tie when he went to kiss the butt of Klaus Schwab and the globalists.
00:20:00.040But when he addresses a joint session of Congress or when he visits the president of the United States, he can't wear a suit and tie.
00:20:06.420Even Elon Musk recognized the decorum of the U.S. House of Representatives, the floor of the Congress, and he wore a suit for the president's State of the Union.
00:20:15.480By the way, I think he looked great in it.
00:20:17.360So this lack of respect or this playing a role.
00:20:21.880You know, Castro used to do this, the communist dictator.
00:20:26.700By the way, shout out to our own Brian Glenn at Real America's Voice, who pushed Zelensky and pressed him on that question about a suit and tie in the People's Oval Office of the People's House.
00:20:58.100You know, we have an incredible thing.
00:20:59.500We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisers.
00:21:05.260All right, folks, here we are back live, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
00:21:11.740I want to also welcome in the third hour of the Charlie Kirk Show on the Salem Radio Network.
00:21:17.700We are here discussing all things political with veteran political strategist Roger Stone.
00:21:24.300But Roger also had an interesting article that he posted a couple nights ago.
00:21:28.920And I have to say, I read the entire thing word for word, because a lot of folks have been looking at the failing health of Pope Francis.
00:21:37.960Pope Francis, seen as a member of the liberal wing of the church, someone who's championed a number of issues that are in line with liberal causes, immigration, open border immigration, climate change.
00:21:52.520But has also stood for things like pro-life, has stood up against the idea of women being in the pulpit as priests, and also, by the way, is a vocal opponent of the Ukraine war and is constantly called for peace.
00:22:06.960Well, he's been in the hospital for weeks on Ash Wednesday.
00:22:11.500He was not able to say mass in the Vatican, was required to have a cardinal to replace him.
00:22:19.600And Roger has written an article about the potential process, should it occur, for selecting the next pope.
00:22:27.700Roger, when you apply the art of political prognostication or election prognostication to something like the papacy, is it much different from when you're looking at, say, a seat in Congress or a presidential race?
00:22:41.600You know, people tell you that the church or the military is not political, and of course, they're entirely political, Jack.
00:23:04.460That is a significant setback for the more conservative elements of the church, but it's based on a rule that came out of Vatican II.
00:23:13.560So of the current College of Cardinals, 80% of them were chosen by Francis, who by any measure would have to be considered one of the most progressive popes in recent memory.
00:23:25.520Anyway, these elections, there's a cap, and the number can slightly differ, the cap on the number of votes.
00:26:03.020Cardinal Raymond Burke of the United States, an American traditionalist.
00:26:06.360Burke has clashed with Francis on issues like marriage, the Eucharist, same-sex marriage.
00:26:11.920He's a long shot, but he represents a more conservative vocal faction.
00:26:17.300My sources think Burke would launch major reforms to strengthen the church until young Catholics who are overwhelmingly conservative are ready to take the helm.
00:26:25.580Then there's Cardinal Peter Erdo of Hungary, 72, a conservative canon lawyer, respected for his adherence to church doctrine and his kind of low-profile approach.
00:26:37.600He, again, would attract some moderate and conservative votes to the extent that there are conservative votes.
00:26:44.100Remember, the current pope appointed 80% of the electorate in this particular election.
00:26:50.160And then, of course, there's Cardinal Mario Grish of Malta.
00:26:54.040He is the secretary general of the Synod of Bishops.
00:26:58.020He's a Francis appointee with an extremely progressive bent, emphasizing dialogue with marginalized groups.
00:27:05.760So if I had my pick, I would take Cardinal Robert Serra of Guinea.
00:27:11.320He's a staunch conservative, a defender of the faith in the church, believes in borders, believes in the rules of the West.
00:27:17.660We really couldn't do better than Cardinal Robert Serra of Guinea.
00:27:21.480So, Roger, for folks that aren't even familiar with the way the College of Cardinals works, for the understanding of them, to be able to be voted on at all, one must be a member of the Cardinals.
00:27:38.020And so this is your highest rung of the prelates of the church, other than the papacy itself.
00:27:44.520From those ranks, someone must be chosen.
00:27:47.680It doesn't have to be a Cardinal, but it is generally a Cardinal.
00:27:50.680And I believe one of the requirements is that they must be under 80 years old.
00:27:54.780That is one of the great disadvantages.
00:27:57.600It's one thing to say that the Pope should be under 80, but to deny a vote among the Cardinals for those Cardinals who are over 80 years, this makes no sense to me.
00:28:06.920In fact, somebody who's 80 years old would be very wise.
00:28:28.840And this is a new—so basically the idea is then that creates basically a quorum of people who were not appointed by previous popes, so Benedict or any of the John Paul II Cardinals, if they're still around, that they wouldn't be able to participate in the voting.
00:28:45.160And then it sets itself up in such a way where Francis essentially is sort of giving the inside track to his own successor.
00:28:52.940Do you believe that Pope Francis has picked a successor?
00:30:13.860And, in fact, there are many items of doctrine, capital punishment and others that have been longstanding practices within the church,
00:30:21.060that Pope Francis and the Jesuit, and he is of the Jesuit stripe, that have sought to overturn a doctrine that has been in touch for a long time.
00:30:31.840By the way, this is also, and we've been discussing it here on the show.
00:30:36.040I had an op-ed on humanevents.com that went quite viral because we've been discussing the effect that this has had on one Amy Coney Barrett,
00:30:45.560where she seems to have taken Pope Francis' words and rhetoric over the actual doctrine of the church
00:30:53.360and certainly over the jurisprudence of the Supreme Court itself and the Constitution itself
00:30:58.980and is taking sort of these ideas of Pope Francis and seemingly putting them into her decisions
00:31:07.280rather than looking at the longstanding practices of the church, if she is, as she claims to be, a practicing Catholic.