Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Personal Forgiveness and the Duty for Public Justice

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:39.200 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:45.960 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:49.000 Christ is king.

00:00:50.600 And Charlie's sacrifice has given us all.

00:00:55.940 And I see it in your eyes.

00:00:58.120 I see it in the eyes of every man, woman, and child who has come to me since this unspeakable evil happened.

00:01:07.420 We have it now.

00:01:09.820 Charlie gave it to us.

00:01:12.200 He gave us that last bit of courage.

00:01:16.380 That last bit of fight.

00:01:18.680 That last bit of grit and resolve.

00:01:22.180 The United States of America will endure.

00:01:25.480 For Charlie, we will continue the mission.

00:01:30.340 For Charlie, we will end the evil disease that split us and took Charlie from us.

00:01:36.520 And for Charlie, Turning Point USA will last forever.

00:01:41.120 And we will come to find, we will come to find that in the final moment, that Western civilization was saved through Charlie's sacrifice in the only way possible.

00:01:58.820 By returning the people to almighty God.

00:02:08.980 For greater love hath no man than this.

00:02:12.360 Than he who lay down his life for his friends.

00:02:17.180 Are you ready to continue the mission?

00:02:22.160 Are you ready to fight back?

00:02:25.240 And are you ready to put on the full armor of God and face the evil in high places and the spiritual warfare before us?

00:02:35.760 Then put on the full armor of God.

00:02:39.520 Do it now.

00:02:40.620 Now is the time.

00:02:42.020 This is the place.

00:02:45.740 This is the turning point for Charlie.

00:03:01.080 God bless to all of you.

00:03:03.420 God bless to everyone.

00:03:05.620 To Charlie's family.

00:03:06.860 To all the families.

00:03:09.800 And Charlie.

00:03:12.020 Till we meet again, brother.

00:03:29.740 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.

00:03:32.460 Today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:03:36.340 We are here live in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:03:39.500 Charlie Kirk's studio.

00:03:40.380 Today is September 22nd, 2025, Anno Domini.

00:03:46.860 Yesterday, we held a memorial for Charlie Kirk.

00:03:51.660 Charlie was my friend.

00:03:53.900 Charlie was my brother.

00:03:55.960 Charlie was my commanding officer.

00:03:57.180 And when a unit loses its commanding officer, duty and honor must be upheld for him, but also justice must be done.

00:04:12.180 And that justice began with the pull of a trigger.

00:04:19.520 It leads to video.

00:04:21.960 It leads to evidence.

00:04:23.800 Eyewitnesses.

00:04:25.520 It then leads to trial.

00:04:26.940 It then leads to sentencing.

00:04:30.780 And there have been many times already today where people ask me, but Jack, as a Christian, are we not called to forgive?

00:04:44.220 Should we not then forgive and let bygones be bygones?

00:04:51.760 It's not how it works.

00:04:52.900 And I see a lot of people misunderstanding the Bible's teaching on this, misunderstanding what Charlie said about this, misunderstanding so much of our Christian duty here.

00:05:06.660 There is a difference between the personal and the public.

00:05:12.920 You have a personal duty to seek forgiveness.

00:05:19.340 You do.

00:05:21.820 God will only forgive upon repentance.

00:05:31.260 God only forgives upon repentance.

00:05:33.960 You are also not required to forgive if there is no repentance.

00:05:40.220 But we are asked to.

00:05:43.180 The public authority, on the other hand, has a different situation.

00:05:49.100 The public and legitimate authorities, as Christian teaching tells us,

00:05:54.700 legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense.

00:06:03.960 Proportionate to the gravity of the offense.

00:06:10.300 What could be more proportionate?

00:06:12.960 What would require more proportionality?

00:06:15.140 than an attack on our very way of life, an attack on our very way of life, an attack on our civilization, an attack on who we are.

00:06:25.520 War has been waged against society by evildoers, by those who deny our right to exist, to exist to oppress us.

00:06:39.100 This cannot be allowed.

00:06:42.320 This cannot continue.

00:06:44.320 And when a life is taken in a war on society, then the only way to protect society and prevent future instances of this is the ultimate punishment.

00:07:00.160 The capital punishment.

00:07:02.160 The capital punishment.

00:07:03.160 And this is what Charlie supported.

00:07:07.160 This is what Charlie stood for and argued for and defended many times.

00:07:12.160 I want to talk some more about this in the next segment here.

00:07:16.160 Human events daily live on Real America's Voice.

00:07:20.160 Real America's Voice will be right back.

00:07:22.160 You believe in putting criminals in jail, right?

00:07:27.160 Yes.

00:07:28.160 Because you believe in putting criminals in jail, right?

00:07:48.160 Yes.

00:07:49.160 Which is a taking of their rights.

00:07:50.160 Not their life.

00:07:51.160 Their whole life is completely changed.

00:07:52.160 So I guess it's also an insult to the victim, isn't it?

00:07:54.160 Saying that your life doesn't matter so much that your murderer can keep on living, but you yourself aren't living.

00:07:58.160 It actually devalues the value of the victim.

00:08:00.160 Or the victims, actually, in a lot of times.

00:08:02.160 God repeated in all five books of the Torah, you take a life, your life will be taken. 0.97

00:08:06.160 To the consistency argument, if there is a baby here, you know, in the womb, that baby has done nothing wrong.

00:08:11.160 Whereas a guy who went and shot up a school did a lot wrong.

00:08:14.160 And so the only answer is to say, we value human life so much that you don't get to keep on living if you take a precious human life.

00:08:21.160 It's actually an explicitly pro-life position.

00:08:24.160 Because it's honoring the dead and honoring the victim so much that it's not just one to be discarded.

00:08:29.160 That's, oh, it's not just a clump of cells.

00:08:31.160 Because they're like, oh, you know, it's just a bunch of clump of cells that got shot up at a school.

00:08:34.160 It doesn't really matter.

00:08:35.160 Go put him in a jail.

00:08:36.160 Where we say, no, that's a life you took.

00:08:38.160 And you don't get to keep on having breath if you go take another precious human life.

00:08:42.160 Jack Posobiec, we are back live, Human Events Daily.

00:08:46.160 We're in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:08:49.160 Almost went with my normal.

00:08:52.160 But, you know, we are not living in normal times here.

00:08:55.160 And we are in the Charlie Kirk studio.

00:08:57.160 Charlie Kirk's seat remains empty as Charlie is on assignment with the Lord.

00:09:02.160 I wanted to bring in Blake Neff here because Blake just played that clip of Charlie going through his, this, you know, this,

00:09:11.160 this, you know, this is the clip we found.

00:09:13.160 I think it's a recent clip as recent as we can find, I guess, of Charlie on the death penalty.

00:09:17.160 And he made it makes a very interesting point there.

00:09:21.160 And I know you worked with him on a lot of these points.

00:09:24.160 And he said the death penalty is an explicitly pro-life position.

00:09:31.160 And so for a lot of people out there, they'll say, well, life is the opposite of death.

00:09:36.160 So how could the death penalty be pro-life?

00:09:39.160 Can you, can you unpack what he's getting at there?

00:09:41.160 Yeah.

00:09:42.160 Well, he was saying there is like, it's almost, it's disrespectful to a victim to say, like, you can take life endlessly without consequence that you're basically saying, you know, to some extent we view criminal punishments.

00:09:55.160 They're not merely a deterrent to future things.

00:09:57.160 They are also, you know, they're sort of a tariff, a compensatory thing to reflect like the harm that you have done.

00:10:04.160 And we can't undo a harm that is done when you kill somebody, but we can signal that like what you did was an atrocious act.

00:10:11.160 And, you know, one of the oldest principles is, you know, if you harm somebody, some harm will be done to you in compensation for this.

00:10:20.160 And if you're going to say that you can murder somebody and the compensation for that is you do five years and then you're out on parole, that is sending the message that a life taken is not really that big of a harm, is it?

00:10:33.160 So it's about the value of life in society.

00:10:36.160 So it's, it's, it's basically saying that society should have a pro-life position that, and, and this is actually consistent.

00:10:43.160 So, because I hear this a lot when people talk, I will say, what about abortion?

00:10:46.160 I'm saying, well, that's an innocent life.

00:10:48.160 Yeah, innocent life.

00:10:49.160 But there is a difference between an innocent life, the life of a child, an unborn baby, a preborn baby.

00:10:55.160 I think unborn is still fine. 0.86

00:10:56.160 I know there's like some, some back and forth on that, but there's a difference between that and a criminal.

00:11:02.160 And in, in the worst case possible, a hardened, like, like murderer or rapist, or, you know, someone who's done something to a child.

00:11:09.160 These are just obviously not the same thing morally at all.

00:11:13.160 Yeah, not in the slightest.

00:11:14.160 And it's like brought up, I feel like it's only brought up by people trying to do like a gotcha to manipulate you.

00:11:19.160 And like the, it always comes up with the pro-life thing.

00:11:21.160 It always comes up with the pro-life thing where they're like, well, you just don't think the unborn life has any value and you just want to do any gotcha to continue doing abortions because you like that.

00:11:30.160 Like, it's always seemed insane to me like, okay, is there tension between like, oh, you say life matters so we shouldn't abort people, but like you're okay with the death penalty versus I guess the opposite is like, it's bad for, the left's position is it's bad to execute criminals, but it's good to execute babies.

00:11:46.160 Right.

00:11:47.160 Which seems to have a lot more tension in it to me.

00:11:49.160 Right.

00:11:50.160 Like I'd love to just, you know, push back on that.

00:11:52.160 So, so this is also, and, and walk us back here because I keep getting, I'm blown up by the media today because the media doesn't understand any of this.

00:12:01.160 And then they'll say, well, wait a minute, how can you say that you forgive Charlie's killer?

00:12:06.160 That's what Erica said yesterday.

00:12:08.160 How can you say that you forgive, but then you also want justice to be done?

00:12:15.160 Can the ultimate justice be done because the media doesn't understand Christianity, doesn't understand any of this is very confused and they see opposition there.

00:12:23.160 Yeah. Well again, first of all, this is only ever brought up in this context.

00:12:27.160 Whereas it seems like they should rationally apply this to anything that we do like, oh, someone steals from you.

00:12:33.160 We should forgive those people as well.

00:12:35.160 And yet, okay, we do have to punish thieves.

00:12:38.160 Right.

00:12:39.160 And, you know, just in the last hour on the main Charlie show, Benny was making a great point.

00:12:43.160 You know, there is our personal duty to forgive as Christians, as believers.

00:12:47.160 And then there is the sword that is carried by the government.

00:12:51.160 The public authority.

00:12:52.160 That's what St. Paul talks about in the letter to the Romans, that the state has been given the sword by God to do justice.

00:12:58.160 And like, that is why we must obey, you know, just authority, because they have been empowered by God for the benefit of everyone.

00:13:05.160 And, you know, that's actually a great progress.

00:13:08.160 A thing that like Christianity embraced and built upon is that old forms of justice were based around revenge, that a wrong done to you is compensated by basically getting revenge from the wronged party. 0.70

00:13:20.160 Like kind of ancient pagan, like Germanic laws, a lot like that.

00:13:24.160 You know, you'd even see that where there actually is no government prosecution of offenses at all.

00:13:29.160 There's just, oh, I am wrong.

00:13:31.160 So I pursue a suit against somebody.

00:13:33.160 And like, I challenge them to a duel or some such.

00:13:35.160 And like, that's how you would.

00:13:36.160 Or like you receive something from the household.

00:13:38.160 Exactly.

00:13:39.160 Yeah.

00:13:40.160 You have, you have where guild, they would call it like man, you know, blood money, essentially the blood money.

00:13:43.160 Right.

00:13:44.160 And, you know, we have moved beyond that where we say there are, there is a authority that is above, you know, vengeance, that is, its job is to do justice impartially.

00:13:55.160 And that is who will have to act here, that we will have an authority, our government that will say, this person did an atrocious act that our society cannot condone.

00:14:05.160 And it is Erica Kirk's duty as a Christian believer to forgive her persecutors, the people who took away, the man who took away her husband.

00:14:13.160 But it is the state's responsibility to say, we cannot have assassins in our country.

00:14:19.160 Assassins must be punished.

00:14:21.160 And, you know. 0.99

00:14:23.160 Larry Arnn even.

00:14:24.160 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:25.160 The assassin will die. 0.84

00:14:26.160 Yeah.

00:14:27.160 It is not Erica Kirk's job to decide what the assassin's punishment is.

00:14:30.160 It would be.

00:14:31.160 Well, this is actually why.

00:14:32.160 Yeah.

00:14:33.160 I mean, and to speak in generalities, this is why victims are not on juries.

00:14:38.160 Yes.

00:14:39.160 That's why victims shouldn't be on juries.

00:14:40.160 And you'll see in more primitive forms of justice, they do it that way.

00:14:43.160 It's in Saudi Arabia.

00:14:44.160 It's just an impossible task.

00:14:45.160 It's completely impossible.

00:14:46.160 In Saudi Arabia, the punishment of a murderer is on actually like the family members of those who are afflicted.

00:14:50.160 And they can decide to punish them lightly or put them to death.

00:14:53.160 And I'm looking at the clock.

00:14:54.160 We were chatting beforehand.

00:14:56.160 You did some research into the Utah system.

00:14:59.160 We're currently in the Utah system.

00:15:00.160 There are no federal charges as of yet.

00:15:02.160 That could happen.

00:15:03.160 There could be superseding.

00:15:04.160 You know, we'll see.

00:15:05.160 But in the Utah system, how does the death penalty work?

00:15:08.160 So in the Utah system, they have the state must announce in advance if they are seeking the death penalty, which they've already done.

00:15:14.160 And then you do a murder trial, normal murder trial.

00:15:18.160 Let's assume there is a conviction or a guilty plea.

00:15:21.160 Well, let's assume it goes to trial, convicted.

00:15:23.160 And then you go to a penalty phase.

00:15:27.160 And it's the same jury.

00:15:29.160 By default, there's exceptions that can come into play.

00:15:31.160 But basically, it's the same jury.

00:15:33.160 The defendant can waive having it done by a jury.

00:15:36.160 They can have a judge rule on it instead, although it appears the prosecution must agree to this.

00:15:41.160 So they could, in theory, veto it and say, no, jury must decide.

00:15:44.160 And then the jury has to unanimously agree there is an aggravating factor.

00:15:48.160 It cannot be a default punishment for murder.

00:15:50.160 There has to be aggravation, which we talked about last week.

00:15:52.160 And this is what we brought up last week, that there were children present.

00:15:55.160 And I believe that's another charge, too.

00:15:56.160 That other people were in peril.

00:15:58.160 Yeah, so they made it an aggravating factor plus a separate charge as well.

00:16:01.160 Yeah, they added charges as well, but they need the aggravating factors on murder.

00:16:04.160 And there's like 13 different options.

00:16:06.160 And they were emphasizing, I think, three different ones a lot.

00:16:09.160 So they have to unanimously agree there is an aggravating factor.

00:16:12.160 And then they must unanimously agree on imposing the death penalty if they deadlock, life in prison.

00:16:17.160 So this is, it's like a trial after the trial.

00:16:21.160 Sort of, yes.

00:16:22.160 In the sense that, in a sense that there's a full trial, conviction, non-conviction,

00:16:26.160 where, of course, murder will, you know, murder in the first would be, or whatever they call it in Utah,

00:16:30.160 will be, you know, the highest, with aggravating factors, it will be the highest charge,

00:16:35.160 as long as, as well as the lesser charges.

00:16:38.160 But then, if, and likely, but if, if that conviction goes, proceeds,

00:16:45.160 then the same 12, plus with two alternates, of course, of 14, would go to a separate phase,

00:16:52.160 where it's almost like there's another set of hearings before the death penalty.

00:16:56.160 And I believe, I do believe, by the way, and I know this for other states, I'm not as familiar with Utah,

00:17:01.160 but I do believe that one of the differences there is that the victim impact statements do come into play.

00:17:07.160 So you would have victims who can come forward at that point.

00:17:11.160 Yeah, I'm looking at Utah's law right now.

00:17:13.160 In the Capitol sentencing proceedings, evidence may be presented on the nature of the crime,

00:17:17.160 the defendant's character, background, history, mental, and physical condition.

00:17:20.160 So that'll be people who speak for the defendant.

00:17:22.160 The victim and the impact of the crime on the victim's family and community,

00:17:25.160 and then other facts in aggravation or mitigation.

00:17:28.160 Yes.

00:17:29.160 Might be called.

00:17:30.160 And so all of this could come into play.

00:17:31.160 Which, I mean, I'm just gonna say it.

00:17:33.160 There, there is a chance that Erica Kirk herself could be called in that phase. 0.67

00:17:37.160 It is very possible.

00:17:38.160 And by the way, you yourself as, but in the first phase, as an eyewitness.

00:17:43.160 But there's also a lot of eyewitnesses.

00:17:45.160 There's a lot.

00:17:46.160 I, I don't know that I have anything special.

00:17:48.160 I can certainly testify to Charlie's character and how heinous this was.

00:17:51.160 Well, I mean, just in the, in the first phase,

00:17:53.160 because you were an eyewitness to the crime.

00:17:54.160 That is true.

00:17:55.160 That is true.

00:17:56.160 Um, so there's, there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of factors.

00:17:59.160 Obviously that's all, all up to the prosecutors.

00:18:01.160 Um, we all saw it live.

00:18:02.160 So it's, you know, it's, you know, I would say being there in person has more value than,

00:18:06.160 um, for, from an evidentiary perspective and watching it on, on live stream.

00:18:10.160 Um, certainly, you know, they can choose as many as you want.

00:18:13.160 Possibly they don't want someone who worked for Charlie just because it gives you that extra degree of impartiality.

00:18:17.160 Um, plus, but there was law enforcement there.

00:18:19.160 Uh, there, you know, obviously Charlie security and, and some campus security that you might want from, from that perspective.

00:18:25.160 Um, this is, I'm glad that we talked about this though today, because the media just doesn't get this stuff.

00:18:33.160 They totally don't understand this stuff.

00:18:35.160 They don't understand Christianity. 0.95

00:18:36.160 They never did.

00:18:37.160 They never try to.

00:18:38.160 And, and to your point, whenever they do attempt to, it's to sort of like use the, play these gotcha games on,

00:18:44.160 Oh, well the Bible says, welcome the stranger and you're for borders security. 0.96

00:18:48.160 And it's like, yeah, they don't say you're, you should allow them to invade your country.

00:18:52.160 It's that, it's that meme we've all seen where it's just like, I have nothing but contempt for your beliefs, but I don't know your Bible says you have to do this. 0.97

00:18:58.160 No, it's ridiculous. 0.99

00:18:59.160 No, it's ridiculous. 0.96

00:19:00.160 We're coming up on a break here, but we're digging into this because I can already see this fracture going on.

00:19:05.160 And I I'd love to just be able to talk about how beautiful and moving the service was yesterday, but, but no, no, I see people trying to twist it and use it for their own devices.

00:19:15.160 And I'm not going to let that happen. Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, human events daily, real America's voice.

00:19:36.160 Okay. Jack Posobiec.

00:19:38.160 We are back.

00:19:39.160 We're live here in Phoenix, Arizona, the Charlie Kirk studio.

00:19:42.160 We're here with Blake Neff and we're also very excited to now be joined by independent journalist, Nick Sorter.

00:19:47.160 What's up, Nick?

00:19:48.160 I appreciate you having me, Jack.

00:19:49.160 Good to have you here.

00:19:50.160 Very good to have you.

00:19:51.160 You belong here.

00:19:52.160 Charlie, Charlie is a huge fan of yours and your work.

00:19:55.160 And whenever you were doing something, he'd be like, get us, Nick, get us, Nick.

00:19:58.160 We need Nick.

00:19:59.160 We need him.

00:20:00.160 Get him in here.

00:20:01.160 He was one of the reasons that East Palestine is on the map because of the, the fact that he brought me on the show so early on from the ground in East Palestine, Ohio.

00:20:06.160 So, you know, those people are very fit.

00:20:07.160 I mean, talk about, talk about a story that just changed every, like the entire course of our country was changed by the trajectory of that.

00:20:15.160 And you were a huge part of it because you told that story to a mass audience.

00:20:18.160 Well, because the mainstream media just didn't want to talk about it.

00:20:20.160 So, you know, people like Charlie Kirk, I didn't have a platform at the time.

00:20:22.160 That was the first story that I had covered because I didn't live too far away.

00:20:25.160 I get there.

00:20:26.160 It's about six hours from my house.

00:20:27.160 I drove through the night, got there on the ground and there's nobody, no cameras.

00:20:31.160 Once I got out of the vehicle, it was an intoxicating odor of fumes.

00:20:37.160 And I just knew that this was going to be really, really bad.

00:20:40.160 So, so we go through all that.

00:20:42.160 You've been on this journey.

00:20:43.160 Charlie was a huge part of it.

00:20:44.160 And that's what he did.

00:20:45.160 He built people up.

00:20:46.160 He just, he built people up.

00:20:48.160 You got the attention of X and the new management of X.

00:20:53.160 And you got to spend a little time with, with Elon Musk, who came yesterday.

00:20:58.160 And it was, it was so nice to see him.

00:21:00.160 I got to say hi very briefly.

00:21:02.160 And it was, it was just wonderful to see him there.

00:21:05.160 He had that moment with President Trump, you know, for Charlie, which I think everyone's talking about to quite an extent.

00:21:11.160 Just tell us a little bit about your day with Elon.

00:21:13.160 Yeah. So it was, you know, what, what, what you saw.

00:21:16.160 I actually was caught off guard by that.

00:21:19.160 I think most of us were.

00:21:20.160 So that wasn't pre-planned.

00:21:21.160 It was not.

00:21:22.160 I thought you were like there with the X crew or something.

00:21:24.160 No, no, no, no.

00:21:25.160 He just, he just showed up and he ended up sitting like right in front of me.

00:21:31.160 So, you know, of course I was going to, you know, have a conversation with him at some point.

00:21:36.160 Just especially with some of the, I'm not, I'm not going to actually disclose what we talked about,

00:21:43.160 but there were some points about Charlie that he was very impressed by.

00:21:48.160 I did post a video of him where he was speaking.

00:21:51.160 And that's when he first used that quote that Charlie was murdered by the light or by the dark because he was bringing people to the light.

00:21:59.160 And, and then he ended up tweeting that line where he was like, yeah, I like that line.

00:22:03.160 That sounds pretty good.

00:22:04.160 So that's when that, that tweet went out for him actually saying that, but I thought that was a, a really good line.

00:22:09.160 And as many people know, one of Charlie's missions in the past few months was bringing the two back together because these are conservative powerhouses.

00:22:20.160 We talked about it all the time with, with Trump and Elon.

00:22:22.160 He said, if there's some way we can just bring this back, it's the most powerful political lions and, and they should be together.

00:22:30.160 And I know that he wanted that to happen so much.

00:22:33.160 Yeah. And I, I was watching Elon's reaction to the speakers.

00:22:38.160 He was very attentive.

00:22:39.160 I've seen him at events before where, you know, he's the owner of like one of the most entertaining social media platforms on the planet.

00:22:45.160 Right. So it's hard to like, take your eyes off of.

00:22:48.160 Well, and he runs like a gazillion companies.

00:22:50.160 Right. He's a little bit of a busy guy.

00:22:52.160 Right. And he was attentively listening to the speakers yesterday.

00:22:56.160 Wow.

00:22:57.160 I don't know if we have that clip. Do we have that clip?

00:23:00.160 I think we have, well, I don't know if, I think we've just got the video.

00:23:03.160 I don't know if we have the audio, but you don't really need it.

00:23:06.160 It's there. It's running.

00:23:07.160 Okay. Perfect.

00:23:08.160 Okay. So I took this video yesterday of Elon cause I was, I was right, I was right behind him.

00:23:13.160 And the reason that I took the video in this particular moment was because while Elon did stand and applaud,

00:23:20.160 a lot of the times he did it after other people were already standing up, you know, like how one person does it.

00:23:27.160 And then the crowd like slowly starts building up and he would stand up and clap near the tail end of when people were speaking.

00:23:32.160 But this was when you were speaking and you were, you had this powerful statement about God.

00:23:38.160 And I'd have to find the exact quote on it.

00:23:41.160 I don't want to misquote you, but Elon was the first to stand up and clap in this instance, the first, he took it upon himself.

00:23:48.160 What you said was so powerful.

00:23:50.160 I believe it was related to the, the armor of God.

00:23:53.160 I think that's what I said.

00:23:54.160 I said, we need to put on full armor of God.

00:23:56.160 We need to do it now.

00:23:57.160 We need to do it for Charlie.

00:23:58.160 And, and we know that when the histories are written, Charlie's sacrifice will have saved the West by the only means possible by returning the people to God.

00:24:11.160 And he stood up first out of anybody in the section, he stood up and he clapped for it.

00:24:15.160 That's why I was so excited.

00:24:16.160 I wanted to tell you that so bad that I almost like in your, I texted you almost immediately.

00:24:21.160 It was like all in capital letters.

00:24:22.160 I was so excited for that because that's when I kind of knew I was like, Oh my God, it's finally hit Elon.

00:24:29.160 You know, Elon is famously not a very religious person.

00:24:31.160 No, he's not.

00:24:32.160 And, and the fact of the matter is that, and, and, and, you know, obviously thank you to Elon for doing that, but, but it's, it's not just what I said.

00:24:39.160 It's, it was the whole event, right?

00:24:40.160 The whole event was, and is now being criticized for and attacked for, for being very just overtly Christian, overtly Christian, overtly Godly, because you know what?

00:24:50.160 That's who Charlie Kirk was Christian memorial service held for overtly Christian man who could believe it, who could believe it, but then, you know, even having, but you would see, I could see that, you know, and Elon is always, he's, he's always kind of like on the edge of whatever's going on, you know, the zeitgeist of, of whatever the zeitgeist is. 0.60

00:25:09.160 And the zeitgeist has been this sort of return to, I guess you could call it public religiosity and the, the use of and embrace of religion in the public square.

00:25:23.160 And you can't know, no one looking at Charlie's extraordinary body of work can deny that that's explicitly what Charlie was doing.

00:25:32.160 I mean, Blake, you, you worked with him on these.

00:25:34.160 No, no, it was so core to his mission.

00:25:36.160 And it's exactly like, first of all, it's also what his events often were in life in a more scaled back sense, but he always wanted it to be a bigger and bigger thing.

00:25:45.160 He was always a witness to his faith in a very public way.

00:25:48.160 And that, that is clearly why we had this incredible global outpouring reaction.

00:25:54.160 If Charlie had purely been a politics guy, there would have been a lot of shock.

00:25:58.160 There would have been a lot of reaction, but it was the fact that he was simultaneously a Christian witness, so open and proud about it.

00:26:05.160 Yeah.

00:26:06.160 I used to say, I was, I was on some show yesterday.

00:26:08.160 I said that this was Charlie's like, this was Charlie's 40 chess.

00:26:11.160 He said, Oh guys, come on.

00:26:12.160 It's just a political debate, just a political debate.

00:26:14.160 And then you come there and he's like, bam, gospel, bam, bam, Corinthians, bam, old Testament.

00:26:20.160 And you're like, wait, what's this guy doing?

00:26:22.160 Wait a minute.

00:26:23.160 This is a sermon.

00:26:24.160 This isn't politics.

00:26:26.160 This is Christianity.

00:26:29.160 Well, Charlie, honestly, in my opinion, he made being a Christian cool again.

00:26:34.160 Yeah.

00:26:35.160 Right.

00:26:36.160 I went to Catholic schools growing up.

00:26:37.160 Right.

00:26:38.160 But even then being overtly, uh, religious in school was something that you'd end up getting

00:26:45.160 made fun of.

00:26:46.160 It doesn't always take.

00:26:47.160 Yeah.

00:26:48.160 And so college kids like, and that's changing.

00:26:50.160 That's totally changing.

00:26:51.160 We're coming up on a, on a quick break, but Nick, I just want to say, I just want to say

00:26:56.160 thank you, man.

00:26:57.160 That was, that was really cool.

00:26:58.160 And, and I appreciate you doing that.

00:27:01.160 Absolutely.

00:27:02.160 One of the best speeches of the day.

00:27:03.160 If not the best.

00:27:04.160 I, Erica.

00:27:05.160 I mean, we can't say Erica.

00:27:07.160 I mean, Erica was just perfect.

00:27:09.160 I mean, beyond perfect.

00:27:10.160 Words do not describe right back human events daily.

00:27:29.160 Jack Posobiec back live human events daily Phoenix, Arizona.

00:27:34.160 We're on with Nick Sordor and my good friend, Cliff Maloney.

00:27:39.160 Cliff.

00:27:40.160 I don't know that we've ever been on in this studio before physically, even though we were

00:27:44.160 on, this is right where I think I was actually seeing that chair on the election stream.

00:27:48.160 And Blake was sitting in this chair.

00:27:49.160 And of course, Charlie sits in Charlie's chair, which will remain open.

00:27:52.160 And, uh, this is where we were on election night, man.

00:27:55.160 It's right.

00:27:56.160 We were at the tasty cake was right here.

00:27:58.160 I can't confirm that.

00:27:59.160 Yeah.

00:28:00.160 I was telling the story, uh, on Charlie show earlier, you know, cause we were, we would play

00:28:03.160 the clip and.

00:28:04.160 You know, I tell people that I got lucky because you guys were all here, you know?

00:28:08.160 And Erica comes in. 0.98

00:28:09.160 Right.

00:28:10.160 And she hugs Charlie.

00:28:11.160 You know, you guys have to react cause you're in the room, you know, with her.

00:28:14.160 Well, we know what's the one thing we can't have during any live show is no one speaking.

00:28:19.160 Right.

00:28:20.160 Yeah.

00:28:21.160 It was, it was technically.

00:28:22.160 You're right.

00:28:23.160 That is a, it is a, it is a, you know, a rule of broadcasting that you need some kind

00:28:27.160 of filler, but it's awkward when you're there.

00:28:29.160 Cause like hugging him dudes, like dudes balling.

00:28:32.160 Right.

00:28:33.160 So I could, I could deal with the awkwardness from not being there.

00:28:35.160 Right.

00:28:36.160 Um, and so, yeah, let me kind of give that little, little remember this moment, uh, montage.

00:28:40.160 And of course we all will remember that moment.

00:28:43.160 And so, so tell me, tell me what your reflections were on, you know, you went through that.

00:28:49.160 We had the Memorial yesterday, which became, and I'll just say this backstage.

00:28:55.160 I said to, uh, I'll just say another one of the speakers and what kind of name names,

00:28:59.160 but, um, uh, someone whose speech we all saw, I said to him, I said, you know, what's crazy

00:29:05.160 not, or, or, or perhaps fitting, I should say what's actually what's fitting.

00:29:10.160 They're not cheering for the political stuff.

00:29:13.160 They're cheering for the spiritual, this crowd.

00:29:16.160 They don't want politics.

00:29:18.160 They want the real stuff.

00:29:20.160 They want the real stuff.

00:29:22.160 Have you ever seen anything like that before?

00:29:24.160 No.

00:29:25.160 And I don't think we will understand the gravity of the situation, especially us.

00:29:30.160 They're the new Charlie.

00:29:31.160 Um, but anybody out there that's trying to analyze this from the political or the spiritual

00:29:36.160 realm, the gravity of the situation, I think it's going to take probably five to 10 years

00:29:41.160 to really understand how much of an impact this is going to have.

00:29:45.160 No.

00:29:46.160 And Jack, look, I don't talk about my faith often.

00:29:48.160 Um, I probably should talk about it more.

00:29:50.160 Uh, I, I agree with what JD Vance said, you know, I think in the last 12 days, I've, I've

00:29:54.160 talked more about Jesus Christ than I have in probably 20 years.

00:29:58.160 Um, so I think my reflection on it is it was an event that people to be there was, was

00:30:04.160 truly life changing for those that watch on the stream.

00:30:07.160 I mean, you're right.

00:30:08.160 It wasn't politics.

00:30:10.160 It was talking about good versus evil.

00:30:12.160 The event was talking about taking a 31 year old's life for one and just to be able to

00:30:18.160 speak freely.

00:30:19.160 So to me, I think being in that worship ceremony or setting, I think that there were more people

00:30:27.160 that probably came to Christ yesterday during one of the pastor speeches than probably any

00:30:33.160 other live stream or event.

00:30:36.160 I might say in the history of the world, it was contagious yesterday.

00:30:39.160 The, the environment, the atmosphere, the, the, along with the speeches and people were

00:30:46.160 intently listening to this stuff.

00:30:48.160 And, uh, even me, like I, I'm not a particularly religious person either.

00:30:52.160 And I'm a hundred percent convinced that the Holy Spirit was in the room.

00:30:55.160 You could feel it.

00:30:56.160 Uh, it was just an incredible feeling.

00:30:59.160 And I hope that, you know, keep considering there were what, how many, how many people ended

00:31:02.160 up in the, in the arena?

00:31:03.160 70,000 at full capacity is about 70 in that arena.

00:31:07.160 And then another, I think 50 in the arena, the overflow, the overflow for this event was

00:31:12.160 not the parking lot.

00:31:14.160 It was the arena across the street, which was also filled to the brims and with no speakers,

00:31:20.160 but they had it on the, you know, the, the, uh, Jumbotron.

00:31:23.160 They had the speakers and they said, and every seat was filled there too.

00:31:26.160 And it was wall to wall coverage on the networks, even MSNBC carrying it live without commercial

00:31:31.160 break, CNN doing it, which is mind blowing.

00:31:34.160 You know, these, they, they were broadcasting.

00:31:36.160 I kind of, I kind of love the idea that the media had to actually listen to the gospel.

00:31:41.160 Yes.

00:31:42.160 And they had to give it to their, you know, the, the, the evil demons that listen to this

00:31:46.160 stuff.

00:31:47.160 Oh, demons, right.

00:31:48.160 Right.

00:31:49.160 Demons writhing, screaming, throwing up, no, no, but they're losing the plot, man.

00:31:54.160 They have to, they, they, uh, and that was one of the things that they were desperately

00:31:58.160 trying to do yesterday was downplay it.

00:32:00.160 They were trying to criticize the fact that, uh, so many people were coming together and

00:32:05.160 not just crying in unison, uh, and surrendering by cowering down to these people.

00:32:12.160 We were, uh, it was a revival.

00:32:14.160 I know we've said it 50 times now, but that's exactly what it was.

00:32:17.160 It was a celebration.

00:32:18.160 It was a celebration.

00:32:19.160 I would be remiss if I didn't mention this.

00:32:21.160 And as, as any Rush Limbaugh fan would know that if Rush were alive today, he would be

00:32:27.160 spending his entire show comparing this to the Wellstone Memorial.

00:32:31.160 When the Democrats got up there and spent the entire day politics, all politics, demonizing,

00:32:40.160 attacking, and just, just totally off the rails.

00:32:45.160 People giving like crazy long speeches and just absolute assert absurdism.

00:32:51.160 Whereas this, and by the way, just so people, you know, a little bit behind the scenes, I

00:32:57.160 guess that I didn't have a single person, you know, come to me and say, Hey, this is what

00:33:02.160 we want you to hit. 0.56

00:33:03.160 Yeah.

00:33:04.160 We want you to just fit, you know, keep it focused on this.

00:33:06.160 None of that.

00:33:07.160 None of that.

00:33:08.160 I didn't have a single person.

00:33:09.160 There were, there was no notes.

00:33:10.160 There were no, I mean, I kind of like, I can't, I kind of sense I'm like talking points.

00:33:13.160 Like, Hey, this is what I'm thinking about doing.

00:33:15.160 And they were just like, looks good.

00:33:16.160 No.

00:33:17.160 And that was it.

00:33:18.160 But that was, I wrote that, you know?

00:33:19.160 And so, I mean, you know that like, this is all from the heart.

00:33:20.160 So we all did that without coordinating.

00:33:23.160 And that's what Charlie would have wanted.

00:33:25.160 You know this from doing that.

00:33:26.160 That's how normal turning points are too.

00:33:27.160 Yeah.

00:33:28.160 One of the only events where I come and I'm like, Hey, you know, are there certain things you

00:33:33.160 want to talk about, no, we love your work, Cliff.

00:33:36.160 Come and talk to our people about the work you're doing.

00:33:38.160 Talk about our partners.

00:33:39.160 So Charlie always did.

00:33:40.160 It was always, whatever you want to do, the floor is yours.

00:33:42.160 And I think that those speeches, yes.

00:33:45.160 I definitely, I definitely pushed Charlie's limits a little bit on that from time to time.

00:33:49.160 Certain, certain pink hat fiasco that a couple, a little while back, which is totally

00:33:56.160 right, by the way.

00:33:57.160 Nothing, nothing was wrong on those hats, but no, it, it, it was, it was touching.

00:34:02.160 Beyond words.

00:34:03.160 Um, I, I, I, you know, I kind of want to, I, I don't know if it came across in on television.

00:34:10.160 I'd love to talk to somebody who, you know, who wasn't there in the room.

00:34:14.160 I mean, I get the sense, you know, I get the sense from just what I'm hearing and, you know,

00:34:18.160 friends and folks back home that I've talked to and endless text messages that, that it did,

00:34:24.160 you know, but I, I, in that room, it's, it was palpable.

00:34:28.160 It was palpable.

00:34:29.160 It was absolutely palpable.

00:34:30.160 And, you know, I had the question of whether or not I wanted to bring my boys there, uh,

00:34:36.160 Jack, Jack and AJ.

00:34:37.160 They're, they're seven and four.

00:34:39.160 They knew uncle Charlie.

00:34:41.160 And, you know, it's, it's kind of one of those questions.

00:34:44.160 Like, like, do you want kids that if you enroll sort of thing?

00:34:46.160 And I said, you know what?

00:34:47.160 I want them there.

00:34:48.160 I want them there and shout out to Tanya Tay for bringing them and just being with them.

00:34:53.160 And they were great, you know, very well behaved all day, but you, you need that because.

00:34:57.160 At the end of the day, we're turning this over to them at some point.

00:35:01.160 Right.

00:35:02.160 Well, when it comes to watching these things, this was a long event, right?

00:35:06.160 I mean, when did it start?

00:35:07.160 Like 11?

00:35:08.160 The whole thing.

00:35:09.160 I think, I think the actual, if you look at the turning point stream, it's like nine hours.

00:35:12.160 Right.

00:35:13.160 And the audience, if you look at the retention graph, it just, it's not like it drops off.

00:35:17.160 It continues constant, but it's such a, the turning point production team is freaking incredible

00:35:22.160 when it comes to making this stuff.

00:35:23.160 I'm watching the clips back, even as I'm there seeing as people are talking and they, you get the reaction from the crowd

00:35:32.160 that the broadcasting live, they had cameras all over the place that really hit the message home.

00:35:37.160 You're not just hearing the applause.

00:35:38.160 You're seeing it.

00:35:39.160 You're seeing closeups of people crying and people at home were able to connect with that.

00:35:43.160 I've been talking to people, like even my mom that, that watched it.

00:35:46.160 And that's the reaction that she had to it.

00:35:48.160 Yeah.

00:35:49.160 I mean, I think there were first and foremost, there was the reaction when you first walked

00:35:53.160 in.

00:35:54.160 I'm sure we all had the same exact experience.

00:35:55.160 I mean, it hit me hard walking in that room.

00:35:57.160 And I was, I got there right about when the, like when the first worship was starting and

00:36:01.160 you know, to me, I mean, especially being on the floor and just kind of looking around,

00:36:04.160 I mean, it was just, it was wild.

00:36:07.160 Um, and then the, the most emotional moment for me was, uh, Jack, your speech was great,

00:36:12.160 but I'm going to, I'm going to trumpet a little bit with Erica's speech.

00:36:15.160 Um, Erica's speech was the best.

00:36:17.160 And it just, I just couldn't hold back.

00:36:20.160 Um, and I'm not an easy crier, uh, you know, the type of guy.

00:36:24.160 And, uh, just when she came out, like before she even spoke, it just became real for me.

00:36:29.160 Um, and everybody kind of has that.

00:36:31.160 Oh, you mean that there was that moment before she got to the microphone?

00:36:35.160 Yes.

00:36:36.160 Where it looked like she was praying cause she kind of had her head down a little bit.

00:36:41.160 And then she says, I love you.

00:36:43.160 And it was like a prayer that turned into a message to Charlie.

00:36:49.160 Yes. Yeah.

00:36:50.160 Yeah.

00:36:51.160 And I mean, I, I don't know how you can watch something like that and not, not be moved.

00:36:55.160 I don't know.

00:36:56.160 Even, even, uh, even Milo Yiannopoulos tweeted.

00:36:59.160 He said, he said, that's the second time I've cried this year.

00:37:02.160 I don't see president Trump being a, uh, an emotional guy either.

00:37:07.160 And he doesn't put on that public face, but the way that he called her up on stage and embraced her at the end, that was making me tear up for sure.

00:37:14.160 I mean, you could tell how much that meant to her, how much that meant to Erica, uh, in that moment.

00:37:18.160 And Trump stood up there for what, you know, three, four minutes with her, just her and almost felt like she was a granddaughter to him.

00:37:26.160 That's kind of how I took that.

00:37:27.160 I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's family, right?

00:37:30.160 You know, Charlie was, I mean, yeah.

00:37:33.160 And, and even Don said it, he's like, Charlie was like my little brother.

00:37:36.160 And, and I think you could see it in Trump's face on when he was at that 9 11 Memorial.

00:37:41.160 Here's a man who was in New York on 9 11, watched the towers fall from Trump tower, went down to ground zero a couple of days later.

00:37:49.160 And he's at that Memorial, but he also himself just lost a son.

00:37:55.160 Like that was the face of a man who just lost his son.

00:37:58.160 Cliff, Nick, thank you so much for being here.

00:38:01.160 Thank you so much for speaking for Charlie, for speaking for Erica.

00:38:05.160 We got one more segment, Nick.

00:38:07.160 And we think we're going to have to switch you out because I got a very, very special, well-constructed guest.

00:38:13.160 Oh yeah.

00:38:14.160 Thank you, man.

00:38:15.160 Appreciate you.

00:38:16.160 Keep up the good work.

00:38:17.160 Jack was so big back live human events daily.

00:38:29.160 We're here in the Charlie Kirk studio, Phoenix, Arizona.

00:38:32.160 We got Cliff Maloney on, who was there at the event yesterday.

00:38:35.160 And we have a well-constructed guest, though he's in perhaps need of a little reconstruction right now, joining us.

00:38:43.160 You guys know him as Brick Suit.

00:38:45.160 What's up, Brick?

00:38:46.160 I'm trying to be a little, a little incognito today.

00:38:47.160 A little incognito.

00:38:48.160 You were in full uniform yesterday to honor Charlie.

00:38:52.160 And, and I appreciate it.

00:38:53.160 Charlie loved you, man.

00:38:54.160 Charlie loved you.

00:38:55.160 He said, every time, every time you were coming to an event, if it was turning point, they were like, right up front, bring him up, bring him up, set him up, get him a pass, get him up there.

00:39:05.160 He loved it.

00:39:06.160 He just, he really loved you, man.

00:39:08.160 Yeah.

00:39:09.160 And you know, when I was at the vigil on Monday, I was in street clothes too.

00:39:13.160 And I saw Tyler there and Tyler said, you got to wear the bricks on Sunday.

00:39:17.160 And it was a, you know, it was, it was the upbeat event I was looking for.

00:39:23.160 And so that's, that's why I was in them.

00:39:25.160 Jack question for you, uh, walk us through what it was like coming up on stage.

00:39:30.160 I mean, listen, I spoke to big crowds, never a crowd like that.

00:39:33.160 I mean, I'm assuming that was the largest crowd you've ever spoke to.

00:39:36.160 And what, what was that like emotionally?

00:39:39.160 You know, what was it like emotionally?

00:39:44.160 It was just, it was interesting because, you know, that's what Charlie was always doing with me before, right?

00:39:51.160 He was putting me in front of bigger and bigger crowds.

00:39:54.160 He would be building the crowds and then he shared his platform.

00:39:57.160 He's like, Cliff Maloney, get up there.

00:39:59.160 Jack Posobiec, get up there.

00:40:01.160 Alex Clark, whoever it is, Riley Gaines, get up there.

00:40:04.160 And even Erica from time to time.

00:40:06.160 And he was, he was training us through those reps.

00:40:09.160 It's like, when you go to the gym, you do reps.

00:40:11.160 And so it wasn't, it wasn't the crowd that I was, I was worried about or the cameras or any of that.

00:40:21.160 I just, I just wanted to do it right for Charlie.

00:40:28.160 I just wanted to do, do the job right and give Charlie the honor that he deserved in passing because of the way that he lived because he was our commanding officer because he was my commanding officer.

00:40:45.160 And, and also the understanding that this wasn't an accident.

00:40:54.160 This was done to him by specific people and a specific series of events.

00:41:00.160 And it's, it's that group that's standing between us and actually being able to unite as a country.

00:41:08.160 And, and that's what I talked about.

00:41:09.160 I said, they are splitting Western civilization.

00:41:12.160 And I just, I wanted that all to get across and that, that line, I guess, where, you know, if you take Charlie, you take Charlie down, who's going to replace him?

00:41:22.160 Every single one of us, every single one of us is going to get up on that line now, because Charlie was able to give us that last extra bit of courage to say, all right, now I'm going to step up.

00:41:36.160 And so I knew that Charlie was with us and then, and that it didn't matter what I thought because, because I could hear Charlie's voice in my ear saying, Jack, get out there.

00:41:51.160 And that's it.

00:41:52.160 You got to do it.

00:41:54.160 Yeah.

00:41:55.160 And like I said, I mean, I thought your speech was great.

00:41:57.160 Um, I think, uh, that was probably the message that took away the most, you know, as you saying that, well, you know, all of us are going to replace him.

00:42:05.160 And I think everybody's got a piece that they got to bring to the puzzle here that puts it together.

00:42:10.160 Um, and I think Erica at the helm is just fantastic. 0.99

00:42:13.160 No, I mean, Erica is, well, well, well, actually, because, because you've known Erica for, you know, from the events for a while now.

00:42:21.160 Yes.

00:42:22.160 What, what do you think?

00:42:23.160 I mean, I, I think Erica is perfect for this.

00:42:26.160 What are your thoughts on Erica Kirk taking the reins?

00:42:30.160 I'm all for it.

00:42:31.160 She has the resolve.

00:42:32.160 She's got the strength.

00:42:33.160 She's got the experience of doing the events and doing the shows here.

00:42:38.160 Uh, but I think, you know, we're just gonna have to wait until she self defines how much she wants to do. 0.97

00:42:44.160 Um, cause now she's going to be parenting that her, you know, children as well. 0.99

00:42:49.160 I mean, it's impossible.

00:42:50.160 And it's so, can we expect the same type of media cadence out of her event cadence out of her as we could with Charlie? Probably not. That may not be realistic.

00:43:00.160 We'll see.

00:43:01.160 I'd say, but it, so what's, what's, what's so remarkable about this is you watch someone and you think about it, right?

00:43:08.160 There's the burden of, of, of running a massive organization like that with all the chapters and high school chapters and, and, and donors and all the rest.

00:43:17.160 Cliff, you know how that goes.

00:43:18.160 Yeah.

00:43:19.160 A lot of time on the road.

00:43:20.160 And a lot.

00:43:21.160 Yeah.

00:43:22.160 Just time on the road that it takes.

00:43:23.160 Plus two young, having two young kids beyond the, the immediate, but just the needs of two little children.

00:43:30.160 The blueberries on the sidewalk today when I saw them and that crushed me.

00:43:34.160 Yeah.

00:43:35.160 And, and the grief, right?

00:43:37.160 Her own personal struggle that she has to go through of, of losing her husband and then having to somehow try to explain that to children.

00:43:50.160 Um, I, I mean, I, I, I told my kids, I said, my seven year old, you know, he's, he, he gets it a little more.

00:43:59.160 And, and I was able to say, look, you know, I was able to explain the facts of it to him.

00:44:03.160 And I said, I said, uncle Charlie closed his eyes.

00:44:06.160 And when he opened them, he was in heaven.

00:44:08.160 And I could see, I could see my seven year old Jack Jack.

00:44:11.160 And he just had this, you know, this little smile, but like a little tear in his eye.

00:44:15.160 But the four year old, you know, it's tougher when they're that little.

00:44:19.160 And it's, it's, they just don't understand things.

00:44:22.160 And I said, look, the way I said it to him was God's got a big fight coming up.

00:44:28.160 God's going into war on the spiritual side.

00:44:32.160 And he needs his biggest warriors in his army right now.

00:44:37.160 And that's why he needed uncle Charlie up there and Hulk Hogan.

00:44:42.160 And man, any, and it's, and it's okay.

00:44:47.160 So he's in God's army now.

00:44:49.160 And for the four year, for a boy, at least, right.

00:44:52.160 That's something that he can wrap his mind around, but, but they don't understand scale.

00:44:56.160 They don't understand, you know, time or any of this.

00:45:00.160 And I, I just, I love the fact that, that they got to meet him, that they got to know him a little bit.

00:45:06.160 And that we have, we have these videos now.

00:45:09.160 And will you actually, and let's bring this up because you have a great idea, which not only get ahead of anything, but may already be in the works regarding an app that we could use for this, this gigantic body of work.

00:45:24.160 That's out there of Charlie.

00:45:26.160 Yeah.

00:45:27.160 I mean, there's so many, not just his, not just his debates on college, but you know, any, anything from his speeches.

00:45:33.160 There's so many things that he's put out there.

00:45:34.160 And if you want to find out like, what did Charlie Kirk think about this?

00:45:37.160 Or what did Charlie Kirk think about that?

00:45:39.160 And you go to a search engine, you're going to be getting all sorts of uncurated results.

00:45:43.160 Oh, Google, Google destroying.

00:45:45.160 Exactly.

00:45:46.160 You get all the attack pieces.

00:45:47.160 So, I mean, what, you know, what I, what I sent to you was a suggestion that it would be wonderful if there was a turning point landing page that you could go to and say, you know, what did Charlie Kirk say on this topic?

00:45:58.160 A dropdown list, you select it, and then it gives you any clips in which that's related.

00:46:04.160 So you could go and see like, you know, and where it was at, this is at this debate on this speech.

00:46:09.160 And some of those segments may have one or two schedules, I mean, one or two subjects.

00:46:13.160 And so they might get cross indexed and be in two different things.

00:46:16.160 And that's fine.

00:46:17.160 Wait, Cliff, do you remember on the issues?

00:46:18.160 Yes.

00:46:19.160 Never on the issues.

00:46:20.160 This used to be something they used to do for candidates.

00:46:22.160 And it would be, it was like the worst formatted website in the world, but it would, it had this, this is like back.

00:46:27.160 There's like nineties technology where it would just go through each candidate on the issues.

00:46:31.160 And, you know, you could, you could pull different quotes, but it would be well resourced and footnoted and what you'd have the, whatever it was.

00:46:38.160 But you're saying with Charlie, because of the technology that we have now, you know, we don't need to just go to, you know, written quotes.

00:46:46.160 We can have that too, but you could actually pull up the video.

00:46:49.160 And so, you know, what did Charlie think about, and you could do the spiritual, you could do the political, you could do the personal.

00:46:56.160 And even his last interview was, was about, was about business really, you know, and entrepreneurship.

00:47:01.160 So, I mean, you've got all this out.

00:47:03.160 I mean, Cliff, what do you think?

00:47:05.160 Is that, is that something that would work?

00:47:07.160 I think it'd be great.

00:47:08.160 And I look, the one thing I always say is obviously there's no silver lining in this, but if you had to pick one, it's how many new people are now actually looking into Charlie Kirk.

00:47:19.160 Not what the media says about him, not the garbage on Wikipedia, but they are actually looking at what he said.

00:47:27.160 They're looking at videos of him giving speeches, his interactions, the way he answers questions, all the prove me wrongs.

00:47:33.160 New people, and I mean to the tunes of millions, are coming to the message of freedom and liberty through this horrific tragedy.

00:47:41.160 And so I think, yeah, the more that we can do to memorialize some of Charlie's positions and all the kind of assets or the, the production teams, you know, things that they've put out.

00:47:50.160 I think it's better because I think you're going to continuously have people that want to know who is Charlie Kirk.

00:47:56.160 Maloney, Bricksuit, I want to thank you for being here today.

00:47:59.160 And I want to echo your words.

00:48:01.160 We can build good from this, but we can't forget that this was an act of pure, unmitigated evil.

00:48:11.160 And for that evil, justice must be done.

00:48:15.160 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay short.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - September 22, 2025

Personal Forgiveness and the Duty for Public Justice

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