Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - SPECIAL BROADCAST： The Russian Coupless Coup

00:00:00.000 I have no idea if this still works. I haven't actually tried to do one of these in like, I don't know, probably a few years to be honest, but I saw a bunch of people saying, oh, hey, can we do, you know, an emergency Periscope?

00:00:15.860 Well, we don't have Periscope anymore, but we do have Twitter Live and Twitter Live without video, which is just audio. And I think I can read your comments. So a lot of people are asking me.

00:00:32.700 I have no idea if this still works. I haven't actually tried to do one of these in like, I don't know, probably a few years to be honest. But I saw a bunch of people saying, oh, hey, can we do, you know, an emergency Periscope?

00:00:51.900 Periscope. Well, we don't have Periscope anymore, but we do have Twitter Live and Twitter Live with without video, which is just audio. And I think I can read your comments. So a lot of people are asking me what happened today? What was going on? And more importantly, why was it that all the sort of kremlinologist, very important and very smart people got it completely wrong? 0.89

00:01:21.900 And what's so interesting to me, what I really, what I really find striking, is that all of those people, like Pete Zayhan, like Michael McFowl, obviously Adam Kinzinger, all these people who were told are the great

00:01:43.440 neoliberal thinkers, the great geniuses of foreign policy. They all fell flat on their face. I mean, Pete Zayhan was even going around saying that this is the end of Russian military operations around the world, that Russia was going to have to pull out of Ukraine and then go all the way back to Moscow to defend the motherland against, against Purgosian.

00:02:09.740 Purgosian. He also claimed, just completely off the rails, claimed that Tucker Carlson was going to endorse Purgosian because he's an ultra-nationalist and it was going to become this sort of like, I guess he was trying to say that Tucker's a nationalist and Purgosian's a nationalist.

00:02:27.800 And therefore, Tucker wanted Purgosian to be the head of Russia, even though obviously Purgosian was nowhere near in any situation whatsoever to be the head of Russia.

00:02:40.400 I mean, this was maybe, maybe at most a thousand guys. And even then, I think that's being fairly generous because the idea that every single member of the Wagner group was backing Purgosian's play, I think was silly.

00:02:58.880 And yet, Peter Zayhan and a whole bunch of people totally went along with it. This essentially ended up being a psyop.

00:03:08.580 Now, the question, of course, is whether, you know, in, to use the pro wrestling parlance, you know, was it a shoot, a work, or a worked shoot?

00:03:18.440 So a shoot is when something is real, a work is when something is fake, but kabuki theater, you know, with the audience, and then a worked shoot is something that is intended to look real, but ultimately is pre-scripted.

00:03:37.180 And, you know, I think that anybody out there that's telling you they know exactly what's going on inside Russia at any given time is just trying to sell you something.

00:03:48.580 Now, that being said, for anyone out there who's experiencing unrest, for anyone who's experiencing turmoil, tension, temerity, if you are experiencing any of these issues because of the global instability caused by nuclear, nuclear powers, potentially disintegrating into civil war, bloodless coups, then, of course, head on over.

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00:04:24.580 Sleep even better than Pregosian, because you know that guy's going to be sleeping with one eye open tonight in Belarus.

00:04:32.160 So, yeah, Pregosian and Shoigu, who's the current head of the Russian Ministry Defense, they've been going at it for a long time.

00:04:46.280 Or I should say, actually, Pregosian's been going after Shoigu for a long time.

00:04:50.360 So, he's kind of like, he's the head of the Russian military.

00:04:55.120 I would compare him to General Milley, at least in terms of his position, but comparing him to Milley brings up a whole bunch of things that probably aren't fair, because I don't think he's ever been giving lectures on white rage.

00:05:06.980 So, he's sort of like their chairman of the Joint Chiefs slash Secretary of Defense, rolled into one.

00:05:13.860 And there have been questions as to whether or not he was particularly on the side of Putin.

00:05:19.600 Did Putin want to get Shoigu out?

00:05:21.920 And then Putin was using Pregosian as a leverage point against Shoigu.

00:05:30.080 Shoigu, this has all been out there.

00:05:32.400 Russian analysts have been talking about this.

00:05:34.440 Western analysts have been talking about this.

00:05:36.680 But not at the super professional, you know, CNN, Fox News, corporate media level.

00:05:42.160 People who actually look into the geopolitics on a regular basis have been paying attention to this.

00:05:48.240 And, of course, a lot of people have been pointing out that a guy like Pregosian has been making this very public disagreement with Shoigu

00:05:58.900 and taking it to an extreme level.

00:06:00.760 At one point, he was posing with the dead bodies of Wagner's soldiers and saying it was Shoigu's fault,

00:06:06.700 complaining he wasn't getting ammo, complaining he wasn't getting support, etc., etc.

00:06:10.180 And so, all of these issues came about.

00:06:14.340 And, obviously, in any serious military command structure, you would not have,

00:06:19.820 and I said this on War Room this morning,

00:06:21.500 you wouldn't have someone who's able to speak that publicly, that loudly to so many people.

00:06:26.000 And so, of course, as I said again this morning,

00:06:30.540 that led me to believe that whatever this situation is going into it,

00:06:36.700 that it's not going to end well for Pregosian.

00:06:39.760 He's either going to essentially get nuked from outer space by this suicide run into Moscow, 0.98

00:06:47.980 or he's going to cut a deal and have to go away.

00:06:50.940 Because you look at it, the Wagner Group has gotten to a point

00:06:56.640 where the tension between the Russian Ministry of Defense,

00:07:00.420 so the Russian Army and the Wagner Group, had reached a boiling point.

00:07:05.920 And there was this contractual dispute that was coming down over the past couple of weeks,

00:07:11.980 would the Wagner Group be rolled into the Russian Army?

00:07:16.120 And this is similar to what Russia did down in the Donbass with the DPR and the LPR.

00:07:25.000 They had people's militias, basically, of locals that organized fighting.

00:07:29.420 And this is going back to 2014.

00:07:31.580 And they were sort of local territorial militias of volunteers

00:07:35.440 that later got legitimized by the Russian Army and then brought in as regular units.

00:07:43.480 So it looks as though that's what the Kremlin was trying to do here.

00:07:46.560 That's what Putin was trying to do with Wagner Group.

00:07:48.960 But of course, Pregosian didn't want that because he and a good number of the top fighters,

00:08:00.100 the best fighters in Wagner Group, the Special Operations Forces guys,

00:08:03.640 former soft guys, former Spetsnaz, etc.

00:08:07.080 They didn't want to be part of the Ministry of Defense.

00:08:09.520 That was one of the reasons they had left the Russian Army in the first place.

00:08:12.140 And so all of this comes to a head.

00:08:15.480 Pregosian says, I'm going to go ahead and push this.

00:08:18.680 Never came out and actually criticized Putin by name.

00:08:22.820 Putin also never criticized Pregosian by name.

00:08:26.760 Putin also very rarely talks about Zelensky,

00:08:29.000 although he did very recently talk about him directly.

00:08:34.080 So I called him a shame to his ancestors, etc.

00:08:37.400 But, you know, for the most part of the last couple of years,

00:08:40.740 he's not really spoken directly about him or certainly not used his name.

00:08:46.660 And so the question for us, you know, what's going on?

00:08:49.440 What's next?

00:08:49.960 So it looks like Pregosian is heading to Belarus.

00:08:54.720 Wagner Group, it remains to be seen whether or not they will return to the fight,

00:08:58.760 whether or not they will be folded in under a new name, a new division.

00:09:03.460 They might become the Wagner Corps, the Wagner, you know, the Wagner Division,

00:09:09.120 which gets sent out along with the regular Russian army.

00:09:12.340 You know, a lot of things remain to be seen there.

00:09:13.960 But, of course, the crazy part of this is whether or not there are any elements of the West involved.

00:09:27.420 And it certainly doesn't seem like it because you didn't see any provocations by Western intelligence services.

00:09:34.400 You essentially had 24 hours of a free hand because they had no clue what was going on.

00:09:39.320 And the Ukrainian defense ministry posted something, we are watching, we are watching.

00:09:44.340 Okay, well, you sat there and watched for 24 hours that you had an open goal.

00:09:49.520 Ukraine had an open goal for 24 hours and they didn't capitalize it on all, at all,

00:09:55.960 which, and I said this on Telegram, that to me speaks to their capacities, speaks to their capabilities,

00:10:02.540 whether or not they have the ability to strike back that hard the way that they want us to think they do.

00:10:09.320 Because, hey, you had 24 hours of an open goal while Russian command and control was completely frozen and nothing.

00:10:20.520 Nothing happened, essentially.

00:10:21.780 A couple of tanks rolled into Rostov, you saw a few military columns on their way to Moscow a few hours away,

00:10:27.560 and then everything just fell apart.

00:10:29.660 And, you know, I remember being in a war room this morning and there was another guy on there who was just,

00:10:34.340 you know, saying this is, it's on and really pushing this Russian civil war narrative.

00:10:38.500 And I remember thinking that it just didn't make any sense.

00:10:41.820 I said, you know, no, this is a, it's either a suicide run or a PSYOP or some part of both.

00:10:49.200 But anyway, I just said, obviously, the numbers are nowhere near large enough to topple the Russian government.

00:10:56.400 It's just not going to happen.

00:10:57.400 And the idea that the generals, and Bannon asked me, he said, do you think the generals are going to side with the, with the insurrection?

00:11:04.880 I just started like, almost laughing.

00:11:08.000 I said, what do you mean?

00:11:09.440 These are the generals that were appointed by Putin.

00:11:12.860 The oligarchs were appointed by Putin.

00:11:15.280 That's how the regime works.

00:11:16.540 It's kind of like China and Xi Jinping right now.

00:11:19.320 There's no ability for it.

00:11:22.140 Now, okay, the Wagner group, you could say, well, they came out and pushed back.

00:11:26.140 So, and obviously rebelled here.

00:11:28.020 You know, so is there a chance that somebody else could do that?

00:11:30.300 Not after today.

00:11:32.000 After today, it's just not happening.

00:11:33.500 And Wagner group was a very special situation.

00:11:35.920 Purgosian had the ability to, and he's been very public.

00:11:40.800 He's made himself the public face of a lot of different aspects of this operation.

00:11:44.940 He posts videos all the time.

00:11:46.680 He posts directly to Telegram.

00:11:48.380 He's got over a million followers on there.

00:11:50.780 And so the ability of him to directly connect to people, directly connect to the Russian people,

00:11:56.140 say that he's fighting on their behalf, play up this sort of, you know, populist nationalist role,

00:12:00.460 was a lot stronger than it's been for any other leader in Russia, any other one of these oligarchs.

00:12:09.380 And so, of course, you know, the idea that anyone else would do that is, I think, pretty far-fetched.

00:12:16.620 Plus, he's always been given this long leash.

00:12:18.960 And up until today, he had been pretty much given a free hand.

00:12:22.400 And so, although it seems like behind the scenes, they were trying to rein in Purgosian.

00:12:27.240 They were trying to pull the leash back in.

00:12:29.120 And that's where this contractual dispute came from, which, of course, Putin would have been behind.

00:12:34.260 So he essentially sided with the Ministry of Defense.

00:12:36.760 Purgosian didn't want that.

00:12:38.080 And so that led to the tensions that we saw spill over today.

00:12:41.480 But anyway, I'd love to be able to take some comments and questions because we haven't done that in forever here live.

00:12:48.920 So let's go.

00:12:49.580 I mean, even if they were able to surround a nuclear facility, that doesn't necessarily mean, like, a nuclear weapon isn't just fired by a joystick like it's a Titanic submarine.

00:13:09.220 A nuclear weapon has an extremely long chain of command.

00:13:14.040 You have to know the current, at least in the United States, you have to know the current codes and not just any codes.

00:13:19.060 You have to have a number of levels of sign-off for that.

00:13:23.080 Nuclear warheads aren't always armed on a regular basis.

00:13:25.420 And even if they are, they're deep within the facility.

00:13:28.880 It's not like you can just roll up to the building and control the nukes.

00:13:31.980 So, you know, I don't think that there's any real threat that nuclear weapons were ever going to fall into rebel hands.

00:13:40.400 Is Belarus heavily pro-Russian?

00:13:43.700 Belarus and Russia are very close, yes.

00:13:46.260 How is Zelensky involved?

00:13:47.920 Well, he's not involved.

00:13:48.820 And that's the interesting part.

00:13:49.860 Zelensky is the only person.

00:13:50.940 I said this this morning as well.

00:13:52.520 Zelensky is the only person that you saw openly supporting Purgosian, other than, you know, pro-Western or, like, pro-NATO commentators.

00:14:02.800 He was the only guy, the only world leader that we really saw supporting Purgosian.

00:14:07.240 And then he released a statement saying that the office of Vladimir Zelensky is very disappointed that Purgosian's decision to turn back.

00:14:15.100 Yeah.

00:14:15.880 Yeah.

00:14:16.240 Well, we all know how Zelensky loves sending people and soldiers on suicide missions.

00:14:22.080 So, there you go.

00:14:23.880 Do I think the CIA was involved?

00:14:27.420 You know, I don't think so.

00:14:29.280 I don't think so in this case.

00:14:30.640 It's just too Russian. 1.00

00:14:32.040 It's too much involved with the military structure.

00:14:35.560 And if Purgosian had been caught working with the CIA, I mean, he's done.

00:14:43.540 He's a dead man walking, which I suppose still could occur.

00:14:48.180 Or perhaps there's a question of, you know, what do you do then?

00:14:51.780 You know, it's we flipped him once.

00:14:53.400 We'll flip him back.

00:14:54.160 So, he's a double agent.

00:14:55.080 He's a triple agent.

00:14:56.080 I don't know.

00:14:56.500 It gets too complicated.

00:14:57.200 So, there have been some reports that Shoigu might be losing his job, that there could be some reshuffling going on at the Ministry of Defense, and I think that remains to be seen.

00:15:13.940 I don't know if they would make the news publicly right away, because obviously they wouldn't want to look as though this had been a real threat, or that Purgosian's actions were the direct cause of it.

00:15:30.820 But it certainly remains something to keep an eye on, and we have seen that reported.

00:15:39.800 Yes, I've seen all of Purgosian's ads.

00:15:41.700 If someone says, please tell Mike Lindell to ship my pillows to Saudi Arabia, the KSA, I will certainly let him know.

00:15:52.160 What was Purgosian's endgame?

00:15:54.140 Well, so, certainly, if Ukraine had been more successful in its counteroffensive, because remember, so, the Wagner Group was the lead in winning the Battle of Bakhmut against an extremely large amount of Ukrainian soldiers.

00:16:10.660 That city became a meat grinder, and this essentially was, and I did a whole episode on this recently on human events, this was the largest battle of the 21st century.

00:16:21.060 And so, Purgosian winning that obviously gave him a lot of credibility within Russia, and a lot of credibility with the soldiery, to include his contract soldiers, the mercenaries, the regular rank-and-file soldiers, and even these conscripts that they've been talking about.

00:16:40.580 Some of which include, you know, people from the Central Asian Republic of Russia, as well as convicts who've been let out, etc., etc.

00:16:49.980 So, if Ukraine had been more successful in their counteroffensive, Purgosian potentially could have had some actual Russian units side with him, but of course, that wasn't the case.

00:17:08.480 And again, that's speculative.

00:17:09.380 Do I think Russia used this to move their troops around?

00:17:13.600 Well, I did put up a tweet about this, and I said that in this case, what we did see in Russia were a large amount of irregular troop movements,

00:17:24.400 ones that would have been otherwise picked up by the intelligence community and our spy satellites, our imagery analysts, and people would have been asking, why did Russia move these troops?

00:17:36.860 And on a regular basis, if there had been no Wagner column, and they would have said, well, potentially this is to set up an offensive with Ukraine.

00:17:45.420 There's been a lot of talk about a potential offensive in northern Ukraine, because Ukraine at the moment is focused completely on Donbass and Zaporizhia, which is all the way down south.

00:17:56.240 And so, in Kharkov province, or Oblast, this area in the north, which of course Russia lost at one point because of a very similar situation,

00:18:08.400 because it had only been guarded by these, you know, sort of National Guard, territorial defense troops, you know, basically police officers in uniform,

00:18:15.640 that at one point, a ton of Ukrainian volunteers and the Foreign Legion, these international forces came in to take out these, you know, or take this territory back in the north.

00:18:29.700 It's heavily forested up there.

00:18:31.240 It's not like the lowland farms in the south, where Zaporizhia, Kherson, Mikolaev, this part, Odessa, where all that is, that's closer to the coast.

00:18:42.420 And so, yeah, maybe, I think maybe, but, you know, certainly Khadarov and the Chechens, because they, we know, we're on the move today. 1.00

00:18:52.240 There's a real question as to what the Chechens are up to, and I'd keep an eye on Khadarov. 1.00

00:18:56.780 Does Belarus have an army in the fight?

00:19:01.860 Well, that's two questions.

00:19:02.940 Belarus certainly has an army, although Belarus's army has not been deployed other than at the borders of Belarus.

00:19:10.960 So Belarus contains an order, it has an order, a border with Ukraine.

00:19:18.500 It also has a border with Poland.

00:19:20.260 Poland, in the north, it has borders with Lithuania, Latvia.

00:19:24.920 And then, of course, its entire eastern border is with Russia.

00:19:30.360 So Belarus's army is mostly just focused on the borders.

00:19:33.840 It is not, of course, taking on or taking in any of the fighting.

00:19:41.180 Why did he march on Moscow?

00:19:45.220 Did he think he could actually accomplish a coup?

00:19:47.520 I don't think he could have accomplished a coup.

00:19:49.140 I think Prigozhin, what he was looking for was leverage within the Kremlin.

00:19:52.540 I think he was looking to test the Kremlin.

00:19:55.640 I think there were elements there that he saw moving against him.

00:19:59.580 He wanted to see if Putin would push back on those elements and give him back full control of Wagner Group.

00:20:06.740 I think that his position within Wagner Group and, truly, the actual constitution of Wagner Group as this private military corporation was being eroded.

00:20:18.880 And I think that that may be what ended up being the incitement situation now.

00:20:23.480 Does Wagner attack from Belarus now?

00:20:25.020 Okay, so I see a lot of people saying, will Wagner attack from Belarus?

00:20:29.700 But, of course, go back to what we've been told.

00:20:33.440 We don't know yet the full accounting of this deal.

00:20:39.420 And just because Prigozhin has been sent or will be sent to Belarus, we don't know if a sizable amount of troops will go with him, a division level of troops will go with him, maybe an element goes with him, maybe some of his closest fighters,

00:20:57.180 maybe some of the top guys that were around him, like Utkin, who was one of the military commanders, who we've been told, again, it's very hard to find out what's going on, but we've been told that he was also a member of this military column today.

00:21:11.040 And so the idea that we know that all of Wagner Group is being sent over to Belarus, I think that's wrong.

00:21:18.840 I think Prigozhin goes, probably a small amount of his closest associates go, and that's it.

00:21:26.180 And it looks to me, and what I'm trying to explain is that much, much more of the currently constituted Wagner Group gets rolled into the Russian military.

00:21:37.240 However that shakes out, we'll see.

00:21:40.320 Whether the convicts have to go back, get set free, contracts be rewritten, be let up for conscripts, right? 0.94

00:21:48.280 We don't know.

00:21:48.960 We just don't know yet.

00:21:50.000 But it's not like, and I've seen this in the mainstream media, it's not like all of the 25,000 Wagner fighters are suddenly going to be in Belarus.

00:22:00.220 That narrative is completely false.

00:22:01.700 When they say Wagner returned to their camps, they're talking about the front lines.

00:22:22.380 This is fun.

00:22:23.140 We haven't done one of these in a while.

00:22:24.340 What's up, Marley?

00:22:25.200 What's up, Janet?

00:22:26.880 Colin?

00:22:28.880 What's up, everybody?

00:22:29.780 How does it affect the Ukraine war?

00:22:34.280 Well, if anything, it's going to, as I said before, Putin is going to be in more direct control.

00:22:40.420 Putin is going to have a freer hand now.

00:22:43.020 He's not going to have to worry directly about what, about placating this guy Pregosian anymore. 0.97

00:22:49.660 And I think what this really ends up being is a Liliana, I miss Periscope as well.

00:22:56.060 What this ended up being was a loyalty test.

00:23:04.080 It ends up being a loyalty test.

00:23:05.600 It functions as a loyalty test for Putin.

00:23:08.080 I mean, imagine if there were any officials behind the scenes or publicly that came out on the side of Pregosian.

00:23:19.300 I would hate to be those guys right now.

00:23:22.080 Yeah, your days are numbered.

00:23:23.420 You might as well just go out back and start digging your grave.

00:23:26.260 Someone said the lack of a, Kenny says the lack of aggression on the Russian side is telling.

00:23:31.060 This was probably a distraction.

00:23:32.780 Look, I said this morning that it was very, very strange that none of the videos I saw showed anyone firing.

00:23:41.080 Even some of the tanks had their muzzle covers in place.

00:23:43.720 Um, that's just your dirt cover, but it was, it was very odd, very odd videos.

00:23:49.620 Wagner creep keeps governments in place in Africa and protects them under the good hospices of Russia. 0.83

00:23:55.820 Thug.

00:23:56.440 Well, I mean, it's, it's, you know, the United States certainly has a number of elements that we, that we use throughout the world.

00:24:04.340 Uh, wait till you, if, if, if you don't like the Wagner group, wait till you find out who the United States funds in the Middle East.

00:24:10.340 Okay.

00:24:11.060 That's, that's all I got to say.

00:24:12.420 Cause, uh, yeah, we don't exactly have the best position, moral position to be able to say anything about that.

00:24:19.460 But if, if you're looking at it from that perspective, yes, Wagner does have a huge footprint in Africa.

00:24:26.000 And so, and the Middle East, um, respectively.

00:24:29.820 And so we're definitely going to have to wonder what will become of that.

00:24:33.720 Again, that'll be part of the restructuring.

00:24:38.900 Was this a ruse to out the enemies within the military?

00:24:42.800 Uh, I think there are elements of that.

00:24:44.500 I think there are elements of, there are elements that, that will be found out in this for sure.

00:24:51.800 There was a report that the gang of eight were given a heads up week ago.

00:24:57.500 What do I make of that?

00:24:59.580 Well, as I said before, even publicly, a lot of people have been pointing out that Purgosian and Shoigu have gone to, have nearly gone to blows.

00:25:07.960 And so it's, it's really not been any secret.

00:25:12.240 If their camps mean the front lines, does that mean they've fully integrated into the Russian army already?

00:25:18.060 No, I don't think so.

00:25:18.920 I think it's more of just a neutral standpoint for them to be able to go say it.

00:25:22.940 Cause what you're essentially saying is that you're going to be leaving Russia.

00:25:25.620 So they're going to be leaving Russia proper.

00:25:27.480 They're going to be leaving, um, you know, whether you want to call it, you know, integrated Russian territory.

00:25:32.380 And so essentially what they're saying is we will not pose a threat to you or the regime.

00:25:38.940 And so that's really the main point and the main thrust of the front lines part.

00:25:42.640 The, this integration into the Russian army, that's, that's going to come over time, but it is more than likely coming now.

00:25:48.920 Um, snazzy here is saying the videos look sus.

00:25:54.420 The citizens look very relaxed and unconcerned.

00:25:56.520 And that's exactly right.

00:25:57.900 Uh, people were taking selfies.

00:26:00.000 Uh, I was certainly posting a lot of memes about it.

00:26:03.720 Uh, at one point they started putting flowers in the barrels, uh, of these, uh, of these tank cannons.

00:26:10.220 And, um, there was a graduation, um, in, uh, in Russia and Eastern Europe, when school graduations take place, they usually, uh, get really dressed up.

00:26:20.480 The kid, the men wear the boys, really the boys wear suits.

00:26:24.320 The girls all wear, you know, beautiful dresses and they would go out into the center of town and take photos and maybe do a little dance or something.

00:26:31.780 And it looks like one of those had actually, cause today was a Saturday after all.

00:26:35.280 So because that had already been scheduled, it looks like they still went along with it in Rostov, even though, uh, even though they had tanks in the background.

00:26:42.460 And I said, that's essentially Slavic culture in one image, you know, the girls are in, uh, beautiful dresses.

00:26:48.200 And then the guys are all dressed up in their military fatigues, wearing body armor, uh, full plates, full, fully rounds of full rounds of magazines and, uh, and, uh, and, and, and the tank sitting right there.

00:27:02.780 I don't support the war at all, but why not hope Ukraine win big POSO supporter just want thoughts?

00:27:13.980 Um, well, of course there's a, you know, there's a question there.

00:27:18.220 Why, what does that, what does Ukraine winning mean?

00:27:20.820 Uh, does Ukraine winning mean that Ukraine is able to take back the Donbass?

00:27:25.920 Uh, personally, I don't think that's in America's national interest one way or the other.

00:27:30.580 It's, it's a territorial dispute between the two of them.

00:27:33.280 Uh, I agree with the governor DeSantis's original comments on that before he walked them back to Tucker Carlson.

00:27:39.760 I just don't think that's something that plays a role for the United States as far as pushing Russia out of Crimea. 0.72

00:27:46.940 That's just silly.

00:27:48.320 I really don't think it's going to happen.

00:27:49.860 And then more to the point, the reason that I don't, I don't support the war is because I've, like I said, I've traveled there.

00:27:56.860 I've met families there.

00:27:58.300 Uh, I've helped raise money for the, the people who are caught in the crossfire here and they don't deserve this.

00:28:05.940 They don't deserve the level of insanity that's going on.

00:28:09.580 They don't deserve the killing.

00:28:10.760 They don't deserve the bombing. 0.67

00:28:12.100 Uh, they don't deserve any of it left or right.

00:28:14.100 And now we already have the news that Ukraine and Russia one month or even maybe even less than a month into this whole thing had been working on a peace treaty.

00:28:24.280 And then the West, the U S and UK worked to undo that hard fought peace work to undo any negotiations work to blast it and then turn around and sent more money just so that more people, more people could be killed so that, uh, more people could die.

00:28:41.520 And when I look at the situation and I say, how are we going to end this as quickly as possible with the least amount of bloodshed?

00:28:49.440 And I'm sorry guys, but this is the real world and in the real world, Russia is never going to give up their black sea fleet.

00:28:56.420 And so once you use that as a starting point, then you can start to consider alternative options for negotiations.

00:29:04.840 Who is the gang of eight?

00:29:06.000 The gang of eight is the highest level of Republicans, Democrats in the house and Senate on the Intel committee.

00:29:12.940 So it's like the top four on each.

00:29:16.560 Someone said the Turkish coup looked more believable.

00:29:18.900 That was a real cool, real coup.

00:29:20.440 However, the Turkish coup definitely was, um, definitely was U S backed liking this episode of human events nightly.

00:29:31.860 Oh, human events nightly.

00:29:32.800 Yeah.

00:29:33.020 We had human events daily.

00:29:34.620 What is my stance on Putin?

00:29:37.940 Um, he is the leader.

00:29:40.140 He is currently the leader of Russia.

00:29:41.800 I don't think he's particularly, uh, threatened by anyone else or any real rivals within Russia.

00:29:47.860 But Purgosian could have represented potentially a rival down the line, but I don't think he was really threatening him at any point right now.

00:29:55.400 Um, I've said before, I think the Ukraine war is a mistake.

00:29:58.440 I think it's, it's full, it was foolhardy for Russia to go in there. 0.62

00:30:02.000 Obviously they've lost their economic and, um, and energy leverage with Europe.

00:30:09.380 They've lost their financial connectivity with the rest of the world.

00:30:13.000 Um, they are going to have long-term problems because of this.

00:30:17.680 Obviously Nord Stream 2 is at the bottom of the sea right now.

00:30:20.620 And they're essentially the junior partner now in an alliance with China.

00:30:25.680 That being said, the best role for the United States in this should not be to drive Russia and China together.

00:30:33.560 Instead, we should be seeking rapprochement and the ability to separate Russia and China and hopefully, and in hopes to pit the other two great powers. 0.92

00:30:44.300 I mean, there's three powers in the world, right?

00:30:45.700 There's three great powers.

00:30:46.980 There's the United States, there's China, and there's Russia.

00:30:49.880 So right now the United States, through its policy, U.S. and our allies, particularly in Western Europe, have pushed Russia and China together.

00:30:56.420 I think this will go down in history as one of the great blunders, one of the greatest blunders in world history in foreign affairs of all time.

00:31:07.220 If the United States does not seek to change course very rapidly before this spills over into a two-front, I say that on the show every day, on human events, a two-front global conflict.

00:31:20.580 This is the Mearsheimer's warning, and we must heed Mearsheimer's warning, or else we can run into World War III.

00:31:26.600 That, of course, being number one, the proxy war that we've seen in Ukraine that is obviously already spilled over into internal tension and instability within Russia, which, of course, makes Russia less stable, which is not good for Ukraine, which is not good for Europe, which is not good for world security.

00:31:45.640 And then if we continue exacerbating tensions vis-a-vis Taiwan, that's how we could get into a shooting war with the CCP.

00:31:53.580 A shooting war with the CCP definitely ends with at least one U.S. aircraft carrier at the bottom of the East China Sea, at the bottom of the Taiwan Strait, and more than likely, more than likely, leads to a place that's very close to World War III.

00:32:08.900 So that's my stance.

00:32:09.920 Wouldn't it all simply end if the West simply stopped fighting again?

00:32:16.620 Yes.

00:32:20.500 Why would Purgosian-Wagner revolt against fighting?

00:32:23.660 Isn't this what they get paid to do?

00:32:25.360 Well, it's not necessarily a revolt against fighting.

00:32:29.260 It's that they don't want to be fighting for the Ministry of Defense.

00:32:32.600 It's about who has control over Wagner and Wagner forces.

00:32:36.080 Obviously, Purgosian has had an extreme degree of autonomy up until this point and has been the face of Russian military force around the world, whether it be in Africa, whether it be in Syria, and now in Ukraine.

00:32:54.240 And so this idea that, the idea that he would be wanting to, he's a very wealthy guy.

00:33:02.020 So this, I think these questions about, about, you know, Purgosian, oh, he got bought off or something.

00:33:09.120 I don't think that makes sense, really, because he's extremely independently wealthy.

00:33:12.980 He doesn't need, he just doesn't need that much money.

00:33:16.180 Um, so that's, it's not about that.

00:33:18.220 It's more about control over Wagner.

00:33:21.040 And someone said, again, would it simply end with the West stopped funding it?

00:33:24.440 It would.

00:33:25.120 And, and in fact, there are even, and Steve Bannon reported this on War Room, according to War Room sources, that this very week, five Democrat senators, high level behind the scenes, have been saying that if Ukraine does not show significant gains in their current counteroffensive,

00:33:42.920 then they will, then these Democrat senators will start to begin to slow down the funding.

00:33:50.040 And this is what obviously Trump, and he talks about all the time, but when he says, I'll have this done in 24 hours, obviously what he's referring to is on one hand, credible threats directly to Putin.

00:34:01.160 And then number two, uh, cutting off the supply of money to Zelensky, uh, with a two pronged carrot and stick approach there to say, I want to end the war, as opposed to, I want to prolong the war.

00:34:15.580 He would probably be able to do that very quickly because again, it's a proxy war.

00:34:21.680 And in a proxy war, the, uh, the, the main actor has almost total leverage over the proxy force.

00:34:34.500 So the United States as the main benefactor, the United States as the main belligerent, if you will, because the United States has been solely and extremely so supportive of Ukraine, uh, in terms of the material,

00:34:48.420 in terms of weapons, in terms of money and just funding, uh, if that weren't able to be cut, Ukraine simply would not be able to continue fighting and would be forced to negotiate immediately.

00:35:03.680 What kind of role do I think Russia plays in biblical end time events?

00:35:07.600 Um, you know, I, I don't claim to be an eschatology expert.

00:35:12.700 Um, you could say the United States isn't mentioned anywhere in the book of the apocalypse, AKA the book of revelations though, you know, Gog and Magog are, and I've seen a lot of people make the argument that Gog and Magog are Iran and Russia, but I would also point out that we don't necessarily know that to be true.

00:35:33.140 So, uh, that is just one theory.

00:35:35.380 This could have been over a year ago if Boris Johnson didn't go to Ukraine and mess up the peace deal.

00:35:43.400 Yeah, exactly right.

00:35:46.040 Do I think this ends before U.S. troops are even more directly involved in the are right now?

00:35:50.180 Um, it's possible though.

00:35:52.240 I would, I would honestly say that I think, I think it's more likely that NATO troops would get involved and not directly U.S. troops.

00:36:00.600 I don't think that U.S. troops are going to get immediately involved.

00:36:05.700 Uh, I think that even for the Biden administration, that would just be a bridge too far.

00:36:10.140 And then especially because they are still reeling really from the Afghanistan debacle.

00:36:17.760 Does Wagner use promo code POSO?

00:36:19.760 Are they going to have to now?

00:36:24.180 Does the U.S. really use PMCs?

00:36:26.360 They're as brutal as Wagner.

00:36:28.000 What are some examples?

00:36:28.940 Well, okay, so Blackwater slash Academy, Eric Prince is an example of a PMC, but that's not the only type of group the United States finances.

00:36:37.060 Uh, the United States finances, quote unquote, rebel groups throughout the Middle East and throughout, uh, in parts of Africa.

00:36:44.100 And in times, at times, we've been told that they are moderate jihadists and moderate rebels that have been receiving American funding, American stinger missiles, American javelins.

00:36:56.880 Uh, the United States even funds the Azov battalion, so go and, uh, go ask about the Azov battalion.

00:37:03.140 Um, what is Poland's main stance?

00:37:11.380 Uh, Poland is, is, uh, Poland wants Ukraine to win outright.

00:37:15.940 Um, by and large, um, by and large, the ruling party in Poland has called for a direct, um, very, very close to direct conflict with Russia and, uh, has called for Putin to be arrested, tried for war crimes, and, uh, kicked completely, not only out of, out of, uh, Ukraine, but also out of the Kremlin.

00:37:37.060 And, uh, as you can imagine, Poland has some, uh, recent as well as ancient history, um, with, with Russia.

00:37:48.560 So not only in the most recent communist times, but also during World War II with Poland's division and the dual invasion of the, of the Nazis, uh, from Germany.

00:38:01.120 And then, of course, the Soviets from Russia at the time, splitting Poland down the middle in 1939.

00:38:10.740 So, yes, there's been a, there's been a little, little, little bit of history there.

00:38:14.580 They're not, not too, not too friendly with the Russians when you, uh, or when I, it was, it was just in Poland last month.

00:38:21.320 U.S. supplies those proxy groups with Russian arms purchases from M.O.D.

00:38:30.060 I mean, certainly the United States can use third-party groups to purchase, um, you know, let's say the United States, and this is covered in that movie Lord of War with, uh, Nicolas Cage.

00:38:40.100 The United States is more than, more than capable of buying or using third-party buyers to go purchase weapons from Russia, purchase them from Israel, wherever you need to go, and then sending them over to any group they want, and then you wouldn't have any, you know, you wouldn't have your, uh, your fingerprints on it.

00:39:01.840 In fact, obviously, if you remember the Benghazi situation, there is a, there's a strong theory that the Benghazi situation was just that, was, was, uh, arms being sent from the rebels in Libya to the rebels in Syria,

00:39:20.440 and Chris Stevens, the ambassador, is going all the way back to September 11th, 2012 now, over a decade ago, almost 11 years, that this CIA site was hit because there were MANPADS, anti-aircraft missiles,

00:39:38.760 that the CIA was trying to get out of Benghazi and then send them up to Syria because they wanted to be used, and keep in mind that this was the United States, um,

00:39:49.160 fomenting the Syrian civil war as part of the wider Arab Spring that was going on from 2011, uh, also known as Operation Timber Sycamore, that anyone can go look up Operation Timber Sycamore.

00:40:02.520 This was Obama and Hillary's plan to arm rebel groups in Syria, and so Benghazi gets hit, and people are saying, you know, Chris Stevens, etc., etc., but nobody ever asked the question,

00:40:15.420 why was Chris Stevens at, why was he at, why was he at, a CIA outside in the first place, and then, and even in the movie 13 Hours, they, they don't really get into this,

00:40:27.760 and there's, like, something written on the, on the board in the background explaining it, and, um, yeah, Operation Zero Footprint, and, which then led to the arming of Operation Timber Sycamore,

00:40:39.200 which, strangely enough, keep in mind that what happens immediately after the United States, under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton,

00:40:48.000 what happens immediately after the U.S. government started flooding these arms and materiel into Syria and into the border region between Syria and Iraq,

00:40:58.940 was the creation of ISIS, was that a bunch of these rebel groups then broke away and either used the forces themselves or sold these forces into the,

00:41:11.260 the groups that later became the Islamic State, which, you know, ISIS.

00:41:16.380 So, when Trump, in 2016, said, you know, uh, Barack Obama created ISIS and Hillary Clinton is their MVP,

00:41:28.180 and then they asked him about this again, they said, you, you were being facetious, Mr. Mr. Trump, of course,

00:41:33.100 you weren't, you weren't actually meaning that he directly created them, and he said, yo, no, I'm not being facetious,

00:41:37.500 that is exactly what I mean, they directly created ISIS. 0.55

00:41:40.420 Obviously, there's been a lot of stuff that's going on over the last few years, and, uh, people, yeah, Assad won, Assad won the Civil War.

00:41:49.500 Um, there's been a lot that's going on, so people are asking, you know, what's, what's the real story of what's happening,

00:41:54.140 because if you're just watching Fox News and CNN, they're not going to give you anywhere near that level of detail,

00:41:59.940 because they're so tied into what's going on.

00:42:04.500 All right, I got time for a couple of more questions.

00:42:06.780 Who is Assad, he is the leader of Syria.

00:42:13.860 And Russia and the Wagner Group were, were very, because you have to understand that Wagner Group

00:42:19.200 was one of the main Russian forces propping up Assad, fighting ISIS, uh, going throughout Syria to, um,

00:42:29.040 really get their feet wet, and, obviously, it's not wet, it's desert, but really, really get a lot of experience under their belts,

00:42:37.620 and that's what, that's what this guy Purgosian is known from, Syria, that's why we're talking about it so much,

00:42:43.000 that he's really more known prior to Bakhmud, prior to Ukraine, he's known for his actions in, in Syria.

00:42:50.980 And, uh, Kenny says, what, wonder what Alex Jones is going to be writing, write about again on Monday.

00:42:57.120 Didn't I see something about, um, uh, you know, chemicals in the water and transgenderism, something. 1.00

00:43:07.640 Someone said, I didn't know that about Purgosian.

00:43:09.320 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:09.960 So this, Ukraine is not his first radio.

00:43:12.260 Ukraine is not his first time around, any of this.

00:43:14.260 I missed some of the news today.

00:43:16.720 What's the biggest headline coming out of Russia?

00:43:19.100 Oh, man.

00:43:20.520 Heh heh.

00:43:21.360 How to summarize this.

00:43:22.820 Um, there was a...

00:43:27.380 rogue, um, rogue paramilitary group in Russia that, at one point, looked like it may have been taking aim at Moscow,

00:43:37.500 but, uh, tensions were later dissipated, and a deal was struck where they, where they're now leaving Russia. 0.93

00:43:44.260 Atrazine makes the frogs gay. 0.95

00:43:49.160 Yes, we all know. 0.90

00:43:50.820 It's from Jessica.

00:43:52.560 Colin says, being a paid master of war is fascinating.

00:43:58.740 Yeah, I mean, he's also, Purgosian's also on that, um, the FBI's most wanted list.

00:44:04.100 So, yeah, exactly.

00:44:06.380 Ryula says, I can't imagine Purgosian actually wanted to take out Putin.

00:44:10.280 He wouldn't be where he is without him.

00:44:12.400 Yeah, and I think that, um, I think there's some, some merit to that.

00:44:16.380 I think there's some truth to that.

00:44:17.800 Uh, again, he's always directly targeted Shoigu.

00:44:20.260 He's always talked about Shoigu.

00:44:21.520 He's always talked about the Ministry of Defense.

00:44:23.260 But, of course, Putin was siding with the Ministry of Defense here, and I think that's what, uh, that's what led to the situation.

00:44:30.080 J.D. Russell says, if this is a work between Russia and the Wagner Group, then what purpose did it solve?

00:44:35.760 Um, well, as, uh, as I said before, it's a loyalty test.

00:44:40.040 Uh, they also showed Russia's ability to be able to move troops around and give a, give plausible deniability for the purpose of those troop movements.

00:44:48.400 Remember, we saw the Chechens were moving around today, but nobody really, nobody really knows why. 1.00

00:44:54.600 There were a number of planes sent out from Moscow today, uh, and people were saying, oh, maybe Putin was on them.

00:45:01.020 Maybe some of the oligarchs were on them.

00:45:02.520 And yet, it doesn't look like that was actually the case.

00:45:04.460 So, there were a lot of movements going around in Russia today, and people were saying, okay, it was in response to this, this potential coup.

00:45:13.340 And if so, where are those troops now, and what are we going to do with them?

00:45:17.400 Or what's, what's Russia going to do with them, I should say?

00:45:19.400 What are we going to see happens with them?

00:45:22.300 Amy Deplorable says, it was very Monty Python.

00:45:24.660 How much do I think the U.S. was involved?

00:45:26.320 I don't think the U.S. was directly involved in this.

00:45:28.300 I just, I think they, I think they wish they were, and I think that the CIA would, would love for you to think that they were, but I don't, I don't think they were.

00:45:36.820 All right, a couple more questions.

00:45:40.920 Were they trying to draw Ukrainian forces out?

00:45:43.500 Well, if they did, they, um, you know, that didn't work because they, they didn't actually, um, they didn't actually do anything in 24 hours.

00:45:52.200 They didn't do anything.

00:45:52.600 Space Jason says, if this was an actual internal conflict, were there ever any real consequences for Purgosian?

00:46:03.380 Remains to be seen.

00:46:04.900 Really remains to be seen.

00:46:06.240 He will be sent to Belarus. 0.93

00:46:08.260 Is he going to do anything in Belarus?

00:46:09.640 Is he going to, quote, we're told he's being sent to, quote, guard the border, uh, even though, you know, the border there is already pretty well guarded.

00:46:18.020 So I don't know how much one guy is going to do, but we'll see.

00:46:24.660 I, I personally think that, uh, I personally think that it was just a face-saving statement about guarding the border.

00:46:31.200 I think he's being sent to Belarus to cool his heels and, uh, determine what is to be done with him.

00:46:37.820 Irish Knitter says, was all this staged?

00:46:40.600 Uh, I think it was a, a work to shoot.

00:46:44.280 And Jacob says, do you believe war lasts till the next inauguration?

00:46:50.320 I certainly hope not.

00:46:52.080 Jack-Jack just walked in.

00:46:53.080 Hey, Jack-Jack.

00:46:54.340 Hey, Jack.

00:46:55.360 What is that?

00:46:58.120 We're doing, uh, we're doing a little, a little, it's like, um, it's like a live chat when we're talking to all the people.

00:47:08.760 Remember, remember Daddy was watching the war earlier, the one in Russia?

00:47:12.740 Yes.

00:47:13.060 And so now we're talking about that war.

00:47:16.860 You want to say hi to everyone?

00:47:19.560 Wait, Jack-Jack, can you, can you tell everybody, they can't see you, they can only hear you.

00:47:25.360 They can't see you, Jack-Jack.

00:47:27.720 Do you want to tell, do you want them to hear that song you learned today?

00:47:32.660 Um, oh.

00:47:33.580 What if I said, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

00:47:49.540 Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

00:47:52.040 oh you you tell me how to say it then

00:48:03.000 i can't hear you i can't hear you not loud enough

00:48:22.040 i can't hear you

00:48:23.800 all right folks on that note ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay ashore

00:48:48.200 promo code burso never done yet

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - June 25, 2023

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