On today's show, Janet and Tanya discuss the recent events in Ukraine, including the unexpected appointment of a new head of the Russian Foreign Ministry of Defense, and why it may have been a psyop job. Plus, the latest in the ongoing saga of the "Pogroms" that have been going on in Ukraine.
00:00:00.000I have no idea if this still works. I haven't actually tried to do one of these in like, I don't know, probably a few years to be honest, but I saw a bunch of people saying, oh, hey, can we do, you know, an emergency Periscope?
00:00:15.860Well, we don't have Periscope anymore, but we do have Twitter Live and Twitter Live without video, which is just audio. And I think I can read your comments. So a lot of people are asking me.
00:00:32.700I have no idea if this still works. I haven't actually tried to do one of these in like, I don't know, probably a few years to be honest. But I saw a bunch of people saying, oh, hey, can we do, you know, an emergency Periscope?
00:00:51.900Periscope. Well, we don't have Periscope anymore, but we do have Twitter Live and Twitter Live with without video, which is just audio. And I think I can read your comments. So a lot of people are asking me what happened today? What was going on? And more importantly, why was it that all the sort of kremlinologist, very important and very smart people got it completely wrong?
00:01:21.900And what's so interesting to me, what I really, what I really find striking, is that all of those people, like Pete Zayhan, like Michael McFowl, obviously Adam Kinzinger, all these people who were told are the great
00:01:43.440neoliberal thinkers, the great geniuses of foreign policy. They all fell flat on their face. I mean, Pete Zayhan was even going around saying that this is the end of Russian military operations around the world, that Russia was going to have to pull out of Ukraine and then go all the way back to Moscow to defend the motherland against, against Purgosian.
00:02:09.740Purgosian. He also claimed, just completely off the rails, claimed that Tucker Carlson was going to endorse Purgosian because he's an ultra-nationalist and it was going to become this sort of like, I guess he was trying to say that Tucker's a nationalist and Purgosian's a nationalist.
00:02:27.800And therefore, Tucker wanted Purgosian to be the head of Russia, even though obviously Purgosian was nowhere near in any situation whatsoever to be the head of Russia.
00:02:40.400I mean, this was maybe, maybe at most a thousand guys. And even then, I think that's being fairly generous because the idea that every single member of the Wagner group was backing Purgosian's play, I think was silly.
00:02:58.880And yet, Peter Zayhan and a whole bunch of people totally went along with it. This essentially ended up being a psyop.
00:03:08.580Now, the question, of course, is whether, you know, in, to use the pro wrestling parlance, you know, was it a shoot, a work, or a worked shoot?
00:03:18.440So a shoot is when something is real, a work is when something is fake, but kabuki theater, you know, with the audience, and then a worked shoot is something that is intended to look real, but ultimately is pre-scripted.
00:03:37.180And, you know, I think that anybody out there that's telling you they know exactly what's going on inside Russia at any given time is just trying to sell you something.
00:03:48.580Now, that being said, for anyone out there who's experiencing unrest, for anyone who's experiencing turmoil, tension, temerity, if you are experiencing any of these issues because of the global instability caused by nuclear, nuclear powers, potentially disintegrating into civil war, bloodless coups, then, of course, head on over.
00:04:14.940What's up, Janet? Head on over to the good folks at MyPillow.com, promo code POSO, never promo code Tanya, for the best night's sleep in the whole wide world.
00:04:24.580Sleep even better than Pregosian, because you know that guy's going to be sleeping with one eye open tonight in Belarus.
00:04:32.160So, yeah, Pregosian and Shoigu, who's the current head of the Russian Ministry Defense, they've been going at it for a long time.
00:04:46.280Or I should say, actually, Pregosian's been going after Shoigu for a long time.
00:04:50.360So, he's kind of like, he's the head of the Russian military.
00:04:55.120I would compare him to General Milley, at least in terms of his position, but comparing him to Milley brings up a whole bunch of things that probably aren't fair, because I don't think he's ever been giving lectures on white rage.
00:05:06.980So, he's sort of like their chairman of the Joint Chiefs slash Secretary of Defense, rolled into one.
00:05:13.860And there have been questions as to whether or not he was particularly on the side of Putin.
00:12:49.580I mean, even if they were able to surround a nuclear facility, that doesn't necessarily mean, like, a nuclear weapon isn't just fired by a joystick like it's a Titanic submarine.
00:13:09.220A nuclear weapon has an extremely long chain of command.
00:13:14.040You have to know the current, at least in the United States, you have to know the current codes and not just any codes.
00:13:19.060You have to have a number of levels of sign-off for that.
00:13:23.080Nuclear warheads aren't always armed on a regular basis.
00:13:25.420And even if they are, they're deep within the facility.
00:13:28.880It's not like you can just roll up to the building and control the nukes.
00:13:31.980So, you know, I don't think that there's any real threat that nuclear weapons were ever going to fall into rebel hands.
00:14:57.200So, there have been some reports that Shoigu might be losing his job, that there could be some reshuffling going on at the Ministry of Defense, and I think that remains to be seen.
00:15:13.940I don't know if they would make the news publicly right away, because obviously they wouldn't want to look as though this had been a real threat, or that Purgosian's actions were the direct cause of it.
00:15:30.820But it certainly remains something to keep an eye on, and we have seen that reported.
00:15:39.800Yes, I've seen all of Purgosian's ads.
00:15:41.700If someone says, please tell Mike Lindell to ship my pillows to Saudi Arabia, the KSA, I will certainly let him know.
00:15:54.140Well, so, certainly, if Ukraine had been more successful in its counteroffensive, because remember, so, the Wagner Group was the lead in winning the Battle of Bakhmut against an extremely large amount of Ukrainian soldiers.
00:16:10.660That city became a meat grinder, and this essentially was, and I did a whole episode on this recently on human events, this was the largest battle of the 21st century.
00:16:21.060And so, Purgosian winning that obviously gave him a lot of credibility within Russia, and a lot of credibility with the soldiery, to include his contract soldiers, the mercenaries, the regular rank-and-file soldiers, and even these conscripts that they've been talking about.
00:16:40.580Some of which include, you know, people from the Central Asian Republic of Russia, as well as convicts who've been let out, etc., etc.
00:16:49.980So, if Ukraine had been more successful in their counteroffensive, Purgosian potentially could have had some actual Russian units side with him, but of course, that wasn't the case.
00:17:09.380Do I think Russia used this to move their troops around?
00:17:13.600Well, I did put up a tweet about this, and I said that in this case, what we did see in Russia were a large amount of irregular troop movements,
00:17:24.400ones that would have been otherwise picked up by the intelligence community and our spy satellites, our imagery analysts, and people would have been asking, why did Russia move these troops?
00:17:36.860And on a regular basis, if there had been no Wagner column, and they would have said, well, potentially this is to set up an offensive with Ukraine.
00:17:45.420There's been a lot of talk about a potential offensive in northern Ukraine, because Ukraine at the moment is focused completely on Donbass and Zaporizhia, which is all the way down south.
00:17:56.240And so, in Kharkov province, or Oblast, this area in the north, which of course Russia lost at one point because of a very similar situation,
00:18:08.400because it had only been guarded by these, you know, sort of National Guard, territorial defense troops, you know, basically police officers in uniform,
00:18:15.640that at one point, a ton of Ukrainian volunteers and the Foreign Legion, these international forces came in to take out these, you know, or take this territory back in the north.
00:18:31.240It's not like the lowland farms in the south, where Zaporizhia, Kherson, Mikolaev, this part, Odessa, where all that is, that's closer to the coast.
00:18:42.420And so, yeah, maybe, I think maybe, but, you know, certainly Khadarov and the Chechens, because they, we know, we're on the move today.
00:18:52.240There's a real question as to what the Chechens are up to, and I'd keep an eye on Khadarov.
00:18:56.780Does Belarus have an army in the fight?
00:19:45.220Did he think he could actually accomplish a coup?
00:19:47.520I don't think he could have accomplished a coup.
00:19:49.140I think Prigozhin, what he was looking for was leverage within the Kremlin.
00:19:52.540I think he was looking to test the Kremlin.
00:19:55.640I think there were elements there that he saw moving against him.
00:19:59.580He wanted to see if Putin would push back on those elements and give him back full control of Wagner Group.
00:20:06.740I think that his position within Wagner Group and, truly, the actual constitution of Wagner Group as this private military corporation was being eroded.
00:20:18.880And I think that that may be what ended up being the incitement situation now.
00:20:25.020Okay, so I see a lot of people saying, will Wagner attack from Belarus?
00:20:29.700But, of course, go back to what we've been told.
00:20:33.440We don't know yet the full accounting of this deal.
00:20:39.420And just because Prigozhin has been sent or will be sent to Belarus, we don't know if a sizable amount of troops will go with him, a division level of troops will go with him, maybe an element goes with him, maybe some of his closest fighters,
00:20:57.180maybe some of the top guys that were around him, like Utkin, who was one of the military commanders, who we've been told, again, it's very hard to find out what's going on, but we've been told that he was also a member of this military column today.
00:21:11.040And so the idea that we know that all of Wagner Group is being sent over to Belarus, I think that's wrong.
00:21:18.840I think Prigozhin goes, probably a small amount of his closest associates go, and that's it.
00:21:26.180And it looks to me, and what I'm trying to explain is that much, much more of the currently constituted Wagner Group gets rolled into the Russian military.
00:21:50.000But it's not like, and I've seen this in the mainstream media, it's not like all of the 25,000 Wagner fighters are suddenly going to be in Belarus.
00:24:59.580Well, as I said before, even publicly, a lot of people have been pointing out that Purgosian and Shoigu have gone to, have nearly gone to blows.
00:25:07.960And so it's, it's really not been any secret.
00:25:12.240If their camps mean the front lines, does that mean they've fully integrated into the Russian army already?
00:26:00.000Uh, I was certainly posting a lot of memes about it.
00:26:03.720Uh, at one point they started putting flowers in the barrels, uh, of these, uh, of these tank cannons.
00:26:10.220And, um, there was a graduation, um, in, uh, in Russia and Eastern Europe, when school graduations take place, they usually, uh, get really dressed up.
00:26:20.480The kid, the men wear the boys, really the boys wear suits.
00:26:24.320The girls all wear, you know, beautiful dresses and they would go out into the center of town and take photos and maybe do a little dance or something.
00:26:31.780And it looks like one of those had actually, cause today was a Saturday after all.
00:26:35.280So because that had already been scheduled, it looks like they still went along with it in Rostov, even though, uh, even though they had tanks in the background.
00:26:42.460And I said, that's essentially Slavic culture in one image, you know, the girls are in, uh, beautiful dresses.
00:26:48.200And then the guys are all dressed up in their military fatigues, wearing body armor, uh, full plates, full, fully rounds of full rounds of magazines and, uh, and, uh, and, and, and the tank sitting right there.
00:27:02.780I don't support the war at all, but why not hope Ukraine win big POSO supporter just want thoughts?
00:27:13.980Um, well, of course there's a, you know, there's a question there.
00:27:18.220Why, what does that, what does Ukraine winning mean?
00:27:20.820Uh, does Ukraine winning mean that Ukraine is able to take back the Donbass?
00:27:25.920Uh, personally, I don't think that's in America's national interest one way or the other.
00:27:30.580It's, it's a territorial dispute between the two of them.
00:27:33.280Uh, I agree with the governor DeSantis's original comments on that before he walked them back to Tucker Carlson.
00:27:39.760I just don't think that's something that plays a role for the United States as far as pushing Russia out of Crimea.
00:28:12.100Uh, they don't deserve any of it left or right.
00:28:14.100And now we already have the news that Ukraine and Russia one month or even maybe even less than a month into this whole thing had been working on a peace treaty.
00:28:24.280And then the West, the U S and UK worked to undo that hard fought peace work to undo any negotiations work to blast it and then turn around and sent more money just so that more people, more people could be killed so that, uh, more people could die.
00:28:41.520And when I look at the situation and I say, how are we going to end this as quickly as possible with the least amount of bloodshed?
00:28:49.440And I'm sorry guys, but this is the real world and in the real world, Russia is never going to give up their black sea fleet.
00:28:56.420And so once you use that as a starting point, then you can start to consider alternative options for negotiations.
00:29:41.800I don't think he's particularly, uh, threatened by anyone else or any real rivals within Russia.
00:29:47.860But Purgosian could have represented potentially a rival down the line, but I don't think he was really threatening him at any point right now.
00:29:55.400Um, I've said before, I think the Ukraine war is a mistake.
00:29:58.440I think it's, it's full, it was foolhardy for Russia to go in there.
00:30:02.000Obviously they've lost their economic and, um, and energy leverage with Europe.
00:30:09.380They've lost their financial connectivity with the rest of the world.
00:30:13.000Um, they are going to have long-term problems because of this.
00:30:17.680Obviously Nord Stream 2 is at the bottom of the sea right now.
00:30:20.620And they're essentially the junior partner now in an alliance with China.
00:30:25.680That being said, the best role for the United States in this should not be to drive Russia and China together.
00:30:33.560Instead, we should be seeking rapprochement and the ability to separate Russia and China and hopefully, and in hopes to pit the other two great powers.
00:30:44.300I mean, there's three powers in the world, right?
00:30:46.980There's the United States, there's China, and there's Russia.
00:30:49.880So right now the United States, through its policy, U.S. and our allies, particularly in Western Europe, have pushed Russia and China together.
00:30:56.420I think this will go down in history as one of the great blunders, one of the greatest blunders in world history in foreign affairs of all time.
00:31:07.220If the United States does not seek to change course very rapidly before this spills over into a two-front, I say that on the show every day, on human events, a two-front global conflict.
00:31:20.580This is the Mearsheimer's warning, and we must heed Mearsheimer's warning, or else we can run into World War III.
00:31:26.600That, of course, being number one, the proxy war that we've seen in Ukraine that is obviously already spilled over into internal tension and instability within Russia, which, of course, makes Russia less stable, which is not good for Ukraine, which is not good for Europe, which is not good for world security.
00:31:45.640And then if we continue exacerbating tensions vis-a-vis Taiwan, that's how we could get into a shooting war with the CCP.
00:31:53.580A shooting war with the CCP definitely ends with at least one U.S. aircraft carrier at the bottom of the East China Sea, at the bottom of the Taiwan Strait, and more than likely, more than likely, leads to a place that's very close to World War III.
00:32:25.360Well, it's not necessarily a revolt against fighting.
00:32:29.260It's that they don't want to be fighting for the Ministry of Defense.
00:32:32.600It's about who has control over Wagner and Wagner forces.
00:32:36.080Obviously, Purgosian has had an extreme degree of autonomy up until this point and has been the face of Russian military force around the world, whether it be in Africa, whether it be in Syria, and now in Ukraine.
00:32:54.240And so this idea that, the idea that he would be wanting to, he's a very wealthy guy.
00:33:02.020So this, I think these questions about, about, you know, Purgosian, oh, he got bought off or something.
00:33:09.120I don't think that makes sense, really, because he's extremely independently wealthy.
00:33:12.980He doesn't need, he just doesn't need that much money.
00:33:25.120And, and in fact, there are even, and Steve Bannon reported this on War Room, according to War Room sources, that this very week, five Democrat senators, high level behind the scenes, have been saying that if Ukraine does not show significant gains in their current counteroffensive,
00:33:42.920then they will, then these Democrat senators will start to begin to slow down the funding.
00:33:50.040And this is what obviously Trump, and he talks about all the time, but when he says, I'll have this done in 24 hours, obviously what he's referring to is on one hand, credible threats directly to Putin.
00:34:01.160And then number two, uh, cutting off the supply of money to Zelensky, uh, with a two pronged carrot and stick approach there to say, I want to end the war, as opposed to, I want to prolong the war.
00:34:15.580He would probably be able to do that very quickly because again, it's a proxy war.
00:34:21.680And in a proxy war, the, uh, the, the main actor has almost total leverage over the proxy force.
00:34:34.500So the United States as the main benefactor, the United States as the main belligerent, if you will, because the United States has been solely and extremely so supportive of Ukraine, uh, in terms of the material,
00:34:48.420in terms of weapons, in terms of money and just funding, uh, if that weren't able to be cut, Ukraine simply would not be able to continue fighting and would be forced to negotiate immediately.
00:35:03.680What kind of role do I think Russia plays in biblical end time events?
00:35:07.600Um, you know, I, I don't claim to be an eschatology expert.
00:35:12.700Um, you could say the United States isn't mentioned anywhere in the book of the apocalypse, AKA the book of revelations though, you know, Gog and Magog are, and I've seen a lot of people make the argument that Gog and Magog are Iran and Russia, but I would also point out that we don't necessarily know that to be true.
00:36:28.940Well, okay, so Blackwater slash Academy, Eric Prince is an example of a PMC, but that's not the only type of group the United States finances.
00:36:37.060Uh, the United States finances, quote unquote, rebel groups throughout the Middle East and throughout, uh, in parts of Africa.
00:36:44.100And in times, at times, we've been told that they are moderate jihadists and moderate rebels that have been receiving American funding, American stinger missiles, American javelins.
00:36:56.880Uh, the United States even funds the Azov battalion, so go and, uh, go ask about the Azov battalion.
00:37:11.380Uh, Poland is, is, uh, Poland wants Ukraine to win outright.
00:37:15.940Um, by and large, um, by and large, the ruling party in Poland has called for a direct, um, very, very close to direct conflict with Russia and, uh, has called for Putin to be arrested, tried for war crimes, and, uh, kicked completely, not only out of, out of, uh, Ukraine, but also out of the Kremlin.
00:37:37.060And, uh, as you can imagine, Poland has some, uh, recent as well as ancient history, um, with, with Russia.
00:37:48.560So not only in the most recent communist times, but also during World War II with Poland's division and the dual invasion of the, of the Nazis, uh, from Germany.
00:38:01.120And then, of course, the Soviets from Russia at the time, splitting Poland down the middle in 1939.
00:38:10.740So, yes, there's been a, there's been a little, little, little bit of history there.
00:38:14.580They're not, not too, not too friendly with the Russians when you, uh, or when I, it was, it was just in Poland last month.
00:38:21.320U.S. supplies those proxy groups with Russian arms purchases from M.O.D.
00:38:30.060I mean, certainly the United States can use third-party groups to purchase, um, you know, let's say the United States, and this is covered in that movie Lord of War with, uh, Nicolas Cage.
00:38:40.100The United States is more than, more than capable of buying or using third-party buyers to go purchase weapons from Russia, purchase them from Israel, wherever you need to go, and then sending them over to any group they want, and then you wouldn't have any, you know, you wouldn't have your, uh, your fingerprints on it.
00:39:01.840In fact, obviously, if you remember the Benghazi situation, there is a, there's a strong theory that the Benghazi situation was just that, was, was, uh, arms being sent from the rebels in Libya to the rebels in Syria,
00:39:20.440and Chris Stevens, the ambassador, is going all the way back to September 11th, 2012 now, over a decade ago, almost 11 years, that this CIA site was hit because there were MANPADS, anti-aircraft missiles,
00:39:38.760that the CIA was trying to get out of Benghazi and then send them up to Syria because they wanted to be used, and keep in mind that this was the United States, um,
00:39:49.160fomenting the Syrian civil war as part of the wider Arab Spring that was going on from 2011, uh, also known as Operation Timber Sycamore, that anyone can go look up Operation Timber Sycamore.
00:40:02.520This was Obama and Hillary's plan to arm rebel groups in Syria, and so Benghazi gets hit, and people are saying, you know, Chris Stevens, etc., etc., but nobody ever asked the question,
00:40:15.420why was Chris Stevens at, why was he at, why was he at, a CIA outside in the first place, and then, and even in the movie 13 Hours, they, they don't really get into this,
00:40:27.760and there's, like, something written on the, on the board in the background explaining it, and, um, yeah, Operation Zero Footprint, and, which then led to the arming of Operation Timber Sycamore,
00:40:39.200which, strangely enough, keep in mind that what happens immediately after the United States, under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton,
00:40:48.000what happens immediately after the U.S. government started flooding these arms and materiel into Syria and into the border region between Syria and Iraq,
00:40:58.940was the creation of ISIS, was that a bunch of these rebel groups then broke away and either used the forces themselves or sold these forces into the,
00:41:11.260the groups that later became the Islamic State, which, you know, ISIS.
00:41:16.380So, when Trump, in 2016, said, you know, uh, Barack Obama created ISIS and Hillary Clinton is their MVP,
00:41:28.180and then they asked him about this again, they said, you, you were being facetious, Mr. Mr. Trump, of course,
00:41:33.100you weren't, you weren't actually meaning that he directly created them, and he said, yo, no, I'm not being facetious,
00:41:37.500that is exactly what I mean, they directly created ISIS.
00:41:40.420Obviously, there's been a lot of stuff that's going on over the last few years, and, uh, people, yeah, Assad won, Assad won the Civil War.
00:41:49.500Um, there's been a lot that's going on, so people are asking, you know, what's, what's the real story of what's happening,
00:41:54.140because if you're just watching Fox News and CNN, they're not going to give you anywhere near that level of detail,
00:41:59.940because they're so tied into what's going on.
00:42:04.500All right, I got time for a couple of more questions.
00:42:06.780Who is Assad, he is the leader of Syria.
00:42:13.860And Russia and the Wagner Group were, were very, because you have to understand that Wagner Group
00:42:19.200was one of the main Russian forces propping up Assad, fighting ISIS, uh, going throughout Syria to, um,
00:42:29.040really get their feet wet, and, obviously, it's not wet, it's desert, but really, really get a lot of experience under their belts,
00:42:37.620and that's what, that's what this guy Purgosian is known from, Syria, that's why we're talking about it so much,
00:42:43.000that he's really more known prior to Bakhmud, prior to Ukraine, he's known for his actions in, in Syria.
00:42:50.980And, uh, Kenny says, what, wonder what Alex Jones is going to be writing, write about again on Monday.
00:42:57.120Didn't I see something about, um, uh, you know, chemicals in the water and transgenderism, something.
00:43:07.640Someone said, I didn't know that about Purgosian.
00:44:21.520He's always talked about the Ministry of Defense.
00:44:23.260But, of course, Putin was siding with the Ministry of Defense here, and I think that's what, uh, that's what led to the situation.
00:44:30.080J.D. Russell says, if this is a work between Russia and the Wagner Group, then what purpose did it solve?
00:44:35.760Um, well, as, uh, as I said before, it's a loyalty test.
00:44:40.040Uh, they also showed Russia's ability to be able to move troops around and give a, give plausible deniability for the purpose of those troop movements.
00:44:48.400Remember, we saw the Chechens were moving around today, but nobody really, nobody really knows why.
00:44:54.600There were a number of planes sent out from Moscow today, uh, and people were saying, oh, maybe Putin was on them.
00:45:01.020Maybe some of the oligarchs were on them.
00:45:02.520And yet, it doesn't look like that was actually the case.
00:45:04.460So, there were a lot of movements going around in Russia today, and people were saying, okay, it was in response to this, this potential coup.
00:45:13.340And if so, where are those troops now, and what are we going to do with them?
00:45:17.400Or what's, what's Russia going to do with them, I should say?
00:45:19.400What are we going to see happens with them?
00:45:22.300Amy Deplorable says, it was very Monty Python.
00:45:24.660How much do I think the U.S. was involved?
00:45:26.320I don't think the U.S. was directly involved in this.
00:45:28.300I just, I think they, I think they wish they were, and I think that the CIA would, would love for you to think that they were, but I don't, I don't think they were.
00:45:40.920Were they trying to draw Ukrainian forces out?
00:45:43.500Well, if they did, they, um, you know, that didn't work because they, they didn't actually, um, they didn't actually do anything in 24 hours.
00:46:08.260Is he going to do anything in Belarus?
00:46:09.640Is he going to, quote, we're told he's being sent to, quote, guard the border, uh, even though, you know, the border there is already pretty well guarded.
00:46:18.020So I don't know how much one guy is going to do, but we'll see.
00:46:24.660I, I personally think that, uh, I personally think that it was just a face-saving statement about guarding the border.
00:46:31.200I think he's being sent to Belarus to cool his heels and, uh, determine what is to be done with him.
00:46:37.820Irish Knitter says, was all this staged?
00:46:40.600Uh, I think it was a, a work to shoot.
00:46:44.280And Jacob says, do you believe war lasts till the next inauguration?