STRATEGY SESSION： Global Empire or American Republic w⧸ Darren Beattie
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In this episode of Human Events Daily, Jack Posobiec is joined by the Council on Foreign Relations' Peter Bergen and Darren B. Brown of Revolver News to discuss the difference between empire and republic, and why it matters.
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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Poso.
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Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective, a new world order can emerge.
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We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order.
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Now, you are the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, all right?
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You guys toy with countries of the world like, well, like toys, don't you?
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What's so interesting now, though, is who's on the chessboard.
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The toys, if you will, are a lot more than states.
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I am a firm believer, and it's not a popular position to take.
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Everybody thinks we've been there 17 years, we need to get out kind of thing.
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I think we have to be present in that part of the world.
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I believe the process of globalization is here to stay.
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A new world order, a new set of challenges is confronting us, both domestically and abroad.
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The historic role in trying to make sure that there is, after all, a new world order.
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And the phenomenal opportunities before us to create a real new world order.
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This criminal government cartel doesn't recognize borders, but believes in global governance and rule by corporations.
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We will never surrender America's sovereignty to an unelected, unaccountable global bureaucracy.
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We reject the ideology of globalism, and we embrace the doctrine of patriotism.
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Around the world, responsible nations must defend against threats to sovereignty, not just from global governments,
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but also from other new forms of coercion and domination.
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Sovereign and independent nations are the only vehicle where freedom has ever survived.
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Strategy session, global empire or American republic.
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You hear President Trump in that missive, which he delivered all the way back in 2016 in April,
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that idea about a fight between nation states or globalism.
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And in many ways, in an economic sense, in a security sense, in a demographic sense, and a social sense,
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that is what the America First movement is all about.
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We are joined today for this strategy session, the full hour, by Darren B. of Revolver News.
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Great to be with you, and a belated happy birthday.
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My understanding is you had a birthday recently, so very happy birthday.
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I appreciate that, and love the guitar there in the background.
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So the next, I've got my fretless bass acoustic, which is off the side here,
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I've encouraged Elon to do, through X, a Tiny Desk.
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Like, that's actually, that could be something huge.
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NPR, it's like, the one thing that NPR does well.
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Everything has to be defunded at NPR, except for Tiny Desk.
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The Tiny Desk concert is the only thing allowed.
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We will allow this, but we'll have a strict, strict controls over who's allowed to perform.
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Darren, two minutes before the break, or really just one and a half,
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Well, again, this, I'm glad we have a full hour, because there's so many different aspects to it.
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You know, we have to clarify what these terms mean.
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I think, you know, I think we can all agree that in practice, in reality, ever since maybe the Spanish-American War,
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certainly after World War II, America has been what I think most people would call an empire.
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I coined this phrase, globalist American empire, which absolutely was meant to have poor connotations.
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But I think maybe the question, at least on my mind, is not whether we can sort of retreat from the world
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to the extent that we're some kind of, you know, republic in the sense of, you know,
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when people think of republican traditions, they think of like Geneva or, you know, Sparta,
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or these kinds of, you know, city, state models.
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These are influencers, and they're friends of mine, Jack Posobiec.
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Human Events Daily, the global strategy session, Empire or Republic.
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We're on with the professor, Darren Beattie himself.
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Let's define some of these terms that we're talking about.
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Of course, President Trump refers to it as a nation state.
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And I think this is useful for us in a sense as well, because when typically a lot of people
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will talk about, and you hear this on, you know, kind of the right, the conservative side
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a lot, they say, well, you know, we're a republic.
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But, you know, it also kind of rings hollow a little bit in the sense that when you turn
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on the TV and you listen to the folks in government, some of whom, many of whom are on the republican
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side even, it seems like the interests and the things animating them bear little relation
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And so when I say republic, one of the things that I really mean is the a republic in the
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sense that we should be a nation state beholden to the people of that nation state.
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And that's all versus the global empire, which or the global American empire, globalist American
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empire, which is probably a more apt term for the government under which we currently live.
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So let's give that definition of each up front.
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Yes, I mean, etymologically speaking, my understanding is that republic and democracy basically mean
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They just have very different connotations because democracy is obviously Greek.
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And through a variety of factors, through history, they've acquired different connotations.
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I think in the context of American kind of politically charged discourse, I know a lot of people
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We're a republic, meaning to invoke more of the imagery of the founding fathers notion of
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a constitutional republic, maybe some checks on the tyranny of the majority or mob rule or
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some of the negative connotations associated with the term democracy.
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And similarly with empire, empire, I think, for the most part, has a negative connotation.
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Most people will think of the Roman empire as the model for the imperial typology or maybe
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And so obviously there are some critical differences.
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But in the sense of is America always going to be a country with kind of global commitments,
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of global reach, global power, global entanglements to some degree even?
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I think that is simply baked into the cake of what we are.
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And I think some would argue with some justification, say that this is always part of the destiny
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of America as a kind of commercial republic, kind of a combination of a commercial republic
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with this pioneer spirit or manifest destiny spirit.
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Those two things together seem to lead to a more kind of global presence.
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I guess my one sort of contrarian position on that is I think that exists in contradistinction
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to other political entities that are often, again, as a pejorative, said, oh, they want
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I don't, for instance, think that's particularly the case with China.
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I think there are very severe competitive domain with China and the area of the economy and
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so forth, but there isn't that kind of natural expansionist tendency that you've seen in the
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And there's not this kind of ideology, universal, an ideology of universal appeal that attaches
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Chinese, and you know this very well because you've been there, you speak the language,
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you understand the culture, are in many ways an ethnocentric people.
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But by extension, almost, there's an almost insularity that goes with that.
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Well, and by the way, in fact, in the Mandarin, just to throw in, is that Zhongguo, which they
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refer to China as, literally means the central kingdom.
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They don't have a separate word, you know, getting into etymologies, you know, res publica
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It just means the public thing, the thing of the people, which is the Latin, very similar
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So you're right, you know, we make these distinctions, but really etymologically speaking,
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Whereas in China, the etymology is, we are the central kingdom.
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And when you look, of course, in Asian history, they certainly were the central kingdom of Asia.
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And it also speaks to their mentality that they want China to be number one.
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They want it to be number one, but I don't think there's an inherently expansionist sense
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to the Chinese presence in the world in the way that there is to the Anglo-American style.
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Think simply of the fact of the English language.
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You know, I've put out a major piece a while ago at revolver.news that was also kind of contrarian
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with respect to a lot of things people might see on, for instance, zero hedge or something like that,
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basically saying that the U.S. dollar is king and the U.S. dollar's status as reserve currency,
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global reserve currency, is much more secure than I think a lot of people might think.
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But what's still more secure than the reserve currency status is the lingua franca status
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So there are so many things that are kind of global, that are in many ways attached,
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some uniquely and some not, to America and just the nature of the American presence in the world,
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that I think there is something that is genuinely imperial about it.
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So I think it's important, I guess, to divorce the negative kind of political connotations of words
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to what might actually be a more objectively accurate referent to these words,
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because in a politically charged conversation, empire just means a bad thing.
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And democracy can vary depending on, you know, who is saying it.
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It's almost become a word ravaged by the regime commissars who have used democracy
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in the most cynical context in order to say it's democracy when we screw over the American people
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and anything that's an attack on their illegitimate authority is in their presentation attack on democracy.
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But what I'm getting at here is to what I think the central question is.
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By the way, by the way, can I add to that real quick that the word empire,
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you can find instances, I believe, where Teddy Roosevelt would use the word empire to expand the American empire.
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And he certainly was a huge part of this, where he didn't necessarily view that term,
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certainly didn't view the term negatively, and also viewed it as something that was absolutely within the remit of America's manifest destiny
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and certainly didn't believe, obviously, his adventures in Cuba are quite well known.
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But he was in the Spanish-American War that you just mentioned.
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But he was someone who believed that manifest destiny didn't necessarily end at the borders, at the contiguous borders.
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And to wit, at that time of the year, of the turn of the century, the turn of the previous century,
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At one point, I always tell this to people, and they can never believe me,
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that on the North American continent, when the Declaration of Independence was written, think of it,
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you had the British Empire, the Spanish Empire, the French Empire, and yes, even the Russian Empire
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were all on the North American continent at that point.
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So no, the founding fathers and even all the way through Teddy Roosevelt
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didn't necessarily think that an empire was a bad thing.
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And so I think, again, in the politically charged context, empire just means something bad.
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But I think really driving at the substance of what's relevant when we say, well, will America
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be an empire or a nation state or this or that, is really, will America be the kind of empire
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that, will the victories of the empire be the victories of the American people?
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I think that was a critical line in Trump's first inaugural, which I still think is by far
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the best speech that he ever delivered, his first inaugural address.
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And there was a line there, something to the effect of their victories.
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And by saying there, he's speaking to the entire audience, which consisted of all the people
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So I think the critical question is, can the victories of the American empire once again
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also become the victories of the American people?
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Can the hegemony of the empire become more in alignment with the thriving and flourishing
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of the American people with a good standard of living and all the things that you would
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That alignment, I think, is the critical question.
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And what we should mean when we say America first.
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It's the, and by the way, a true empire would obviously exist for the benefit of the citizens
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And unfortunately, in the globalist American empire, it does not.
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And so I'm glad that we talked about the definitions, because moving forward, we're going to talk
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Globalist American empire or American republic.
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So when we look at the world and we look at America's role in the world and we ask ourselves
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sometimes, you know, why do we have troops in Syria?
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Why are we sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine?
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Why is it that the United States Navy is so aggressively patrolling in waters that are tens of thousands
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of miles away from our coastline in places like the South China Sea and the Japanese
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Senkakus and the Diaoyu Islands and all of the different island chains around the Pacific?
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And we ask ourselves, of what direct benefit is this to the people of the nation?
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And certainly trade is something that is of benefit to the nation.
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But some of these other issues seem to be quite a bit far.
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And so, Darren, I suppose the question that I have here is, in the globalist American empire,
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it's simply because the interests of the empire are disconnected from the interests of the people.
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And as President Trump said right there, and we need to understand, and I think that I've
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learned and we've all learned, that the government under which we live, for the most part, you
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know, I'm talking about the government prior to President Trump's return to office, his
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triumphant return, that the interests represented in Washington, D.C. are the interests of that
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empire, by and large, rather than, quote unquote, any individual representation of their own,
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I'd like to further elaborate on what I meant before the break when I emphasized this critical
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point of their victories are not our victories, because this really is, I think, the central
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metric by which we can judge the normative success of the empire from sort of America
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Now, again, this is something that is connected to my piece on the U.S. dollar as reserve currency.
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And I thought, you know, it's far more stable than people imagine.
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And I think there's this intuitive tendency where people would go online, they would scroll
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X, they would go to, you know, YouTube or wherever, TikTok now, and they would see these infamous
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clips of people just drugged out on the street in Philadelphia or people crapping on the street
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And just see the state of degradation of our once great cities in the United States.
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And they'd say, my God, you know, the America is really going down the tube any day now.
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You know, Chinese are going to take over everything or, you know, you name it, maybe Russians, but not so much
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But they're saying, America is just going down the toilet completely.
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And I sympathize with that sentiment and intuition.
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But I think it's important to point out that the criteria and the factors relevant to securing
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basically American hegemony globally, geopolitically and economically, they're far more divorced
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from the most observable and relevant metrics of standard of living that we see right in front
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People think that those are more directly connected that they are, such that when they see the filth
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and degradation in San Francisco or Philadelphia or name your city, they conclude things, you
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know, America can't hold on as the number one superpower anymore.
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When in fact, the things that are responsible for America being the superpower in terms of, you
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know, energy dominance, you know, Wall Street dominance, military industrial complex, you
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know, US dollar supremacy, these factors are much farther removed from those standard of
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And so I think what's critical, again, is bringing those two things into better alignment.
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And by extension, a lot of our conversations about geopolitics now, I think, are informed by this
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sense of, you know, exposing the cynicism behind various geopolitical maneuvers, for instance,
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saying, oh, look, the issue in Syria, Obama wanted regime change in Syria.
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It was about a pipeline or Russia's doing this.
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And that accounts for, you know, the energy politics is behind a big part of their color
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revolution, a big part of that Atlanticist faction of the national security state that
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But I would reframe it and to say, if only you could break down all of our foreign policy
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For one, people saying, oh, this foreign policy decision is just to benefit some sector of the
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Again, if only, you know, kind of related to what Trump was saying about Iraq.
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It's like we did the whole thing in Iraq and we didn't even get the oil.
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It's like the cynical interpretation that the cynical interpretation actually be
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superior to what actually is driving and motivating force to a lot of our geopolitical
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It would be better to go into Iraq with the purpose of at least getting the oil and
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enhancing our energy dominance than going into Iraq, you know, based on some,
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you know, idealistic fantasy of spreading democracy, for instance.
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So the cynical kind of material explanation would be preferable to the more sort of ideologically
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But then the second step is we need to make sure that if something's benefiting the energy
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sector, for instance, that translates into an actual benefit for the American people.
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And where we are now is in a stage where, yes, there's the cynical, oh, we're doing it
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for our own material benefit for these companies and whatnot.
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But there's a lot of the delusion mixed in with this that we need to totally eradicate.
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A lot of the delusion, for instance, in our dealings with Africa of having, you know,
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these human rights kind of, you know, but by that we mean sort of left wing
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ideological agenda attached to our dealings in a way that's not the case for China.
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We need to get rid of the ideology that has been responsible for our worst geopolitical blunders,
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But then once we get, once we make sure that our foreign policy decisions are actually made
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to the benefit of the American economy, American dominance, American power, we need to make sure
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that those things are actually correlated with the wellbeing and economic wellbeing of the American
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And that it's not just the stock of the energy companies going up and they get to buy another
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mansion somewhere, but actually does redound to the benefit of what we more observably
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see as standard of living conditions for Americans.
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So I know that was a big mouthful, but I think that's really kind of the bird's eye
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conceptual framework with which we need to evaluate foreign policy and geopolitics.
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Look, I mean, people will sit there and say, say to me all the time and, and, you know,
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certainly as, as I came up sort of through the China circles, you know, you get the China hawks
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who say, oh, well, we have to go to war with them to teach those chi comms a lesson.
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You, you'd blow up the entire planet and you just slaughter millions of Americans in the process
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And then you get kind of the doves and, you know, and, oh, China's this, China's that,
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but, you know, or, and we should work with them on climate change or, or some such thing.
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But, you know, when it really, when it really does come down to it, and, and I'm just going
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to say it, what, one thing I learned while living in China for two years was that Xi Jinping
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and the government of the Chinese people really does work in a sense, in a sense, I'm not talking
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about the Uyghurs and I'm not talking about a variety of issues within China, but they,
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they have actually built up the basic, uh, the basic standard of living for their people.
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No crime, hugely crime that goes on when you look at a city.
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And by the way, they did so with foreign direct investment from the West.
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And I've, you know, obviously spent years talking about this, and that's the reason Shanghai looks
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the way that it does since the 1990s, when it was, you know, rice paddies on the other side
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of the Pudong river and is now, you know, one of the financial capitals of the world in, um,
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And the, you know, you know, the idea that, you know, they're doing that and they're advancing
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And yeah, it's, you know, in many ways they step over human rights and they'll, you know,
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tear up ancient, uh, villages and ancient towns.
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And if you're in the way of the progress, you know, they just move you out.
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There's no, there's no eminent domain in a, in their system.
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They just, they just remove you and remove entire towns and entire cities, by the way,
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were completely flooded when they, uh, when they built the, uh, the three gorges dam and, uh,
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made this giant, the largest reservoir on earth behind it.
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And it's like, so what, you know, we're, we're progressing the country.
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Of course, if anyone knows, uh, what, one of the things probably,
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I think that most people know about China is their, uh, their penchant for these mega projects
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And so the, the idea being though, is that most Chinese people, the average Chinese person,
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not talking about the, you know, the dissidents, but the average Chinese person that you meet
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when they say, yeah, I support the CCP and I support the government.
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It's because that person has seen their standard of living go up in their lifetime.
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And because they've given the, and they're not communist in the economic sense anymore.
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It's because they want to show their people and have given their people say this pathway
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to say, if you get to one of these cities and it's hyper competitive and hyper capitalistic,
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if you get to one of these cities and if you can make it up through the system,
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And that obviously flies in the face of everything Chairman Mao taught and they sort of use the
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communist, uh, pageantry and symbology as a sort of skin suit and in a way that we see many things
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being used in the United States in similar fashion, but for different purposes.
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But the point being is the, the life of the average person has gotten better.
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And so I noticed that a lot of people in the China watcher world will refuse to just admit that basic
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fact and will refuse to admit that this is the number one reason why you don't see, uh,
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any massive rebellion against the central government, even with the restrictions of COVID,
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And this is why, and you know, their, their culture tends towards collectivization and
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is certainly different from Western culture in a variety of reasons.
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Uh, but this is why that you, you never see these widespread rebellions or,
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Like some people have been saying for 20 years, we'll be right back.
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Human events daily, the global strategy session.
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You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad,
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but we have guys, and these are the guys should be getting Pulisic.
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Okay. Jack's back live, the global strategy session, global, globalist American empire or
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American Republic. And we're on with the professor himself, Darren Beattie of Revolver News there.
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And, uh, well, I just want to close off what I was saying there. And so one of the things that I,
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I really learned in the, uh, you know, spending time in China was to say that, you know, the Chinese
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government, they sure you can point to them. And, and, and we do quite frequently talk about
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how they, they mistreatment of various parts of their society, but they really do do things that
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are in the interest of China. They actually do think quite seriously and take very seriously how
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they want to progress their country. They have these plans, they lay them out and then they,
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they do them. And when they look at global trade, that's exactly what they look at. And you could say,
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well, they're exploiting American workers. Of course they are. And they're exploiting their
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own workers to achieve a comparative advantage. Of course they are, because that is the most effective
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thing for them to do. And oh, by the way, when you look at the way world affairs have gone since 2022,
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uh, clearly, uh, China in, in many ways is simply benefiting by not, not getting involved in any of
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this nonsense that you see going on and, but also not cutting themselves off with Russia. So Russia
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has to come to them as sort of a lender of last resort, um, type of situation. And, and boom,
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there you go. You have, you have this BRICS block, which, you know, isn't necessarily as Darren,
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you said, isn't about to overtake the United States and the Anglo American sphere, but it's certainly
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emergent as a, uh, as a, as a real entity. And so the biggest thing that I learned coming out of
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China is why is it that when I look at Washington DC and I go throughout Washington DC, we spend so
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much time and everyone spends time, uh, obsessed with the wellbeing of people who don't live in our
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country and nothing about the people who do live here. And none of these actions are done for the
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benefit of America. They're done based on these various delusions that you outlined. And so the
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biggest thing I guess I learned was why can't we have a brand of healthy regard for our own country
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and our own actual interests? Yeah, that's a great, that's a great question. And it's just an interesting
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mix of, um, greed, corruption, and delusional fanatical, um, ideology in many cases, um, that applies to the
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Middle East to some degree, it applies to Russia and increasingly applies to China. You know, the, the thing
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about China that's, you know, you put so well is the Chinese government delivered a massive increase in
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standard of living. In fact, they created thriving cities where 20, 30 years ago, there was literally
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nothing. And so it's an authoritarian system. It's the worst surveillance state in the world outside,
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perhaps of the UK, which might be on an even footing at this point. But the thing is the people get
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something out of that. They have their liberties restricted, and they never really had liberties to
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begin with that they in their historical memory, so it's less of an injury even there. But they get a lot of
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value for it. They get, um, material well-being, they get increased standard of living, whereas the
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circumstance in the United States, as I've described, is really the worst of both worlds. We have unprecedented
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encroachments on our liberty, but we still have filthy and dangerous streets where our living is
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plummeting. So it's this perverse combination of, at least if you're going to restrict our liberties,
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have an incombinant increase in standard of living. But no, we have the worst of both worlds.
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That's really kind of the problem. But then on the flip side of that, I would say the Chinese pragmatism,
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which has served them so well. So you put it using the communist ideology as a skin suit. I say there,
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China is no more communist than America is a liberal democracy at this point.
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Do you know, um, that's, that's correct. Do you know Xi Jinping, or excuse me, Deng Xiaoping's famous
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phrase on this? When they asked him if China is still socialist, he responded, uh, it doesn't matter
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if a cat is white or black. It only matters if it catches mice. Correct. And that, that pragmatism has
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served China very well, but it's also the ceiling. And this gets back to what I was saying earlier,
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China is utterly lacking in any kind of global appeal or global charisma. And part of that is that
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there's, you know, nobody is really entranced or enchanted by simple pragmatism. And so in a way,
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the fact that America and the Anglo-American world is very much almost by necessity, by nature, driven by
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by ideologies of universal appeal, driven by sort of cultural expression of universal appeal,
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all of these things, which happened to be poisoned very deeply. But it is also the reason that America
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can exert influence on the world in the way that China never could. And so,
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Darren, when I, when I go, and I'm one of the last people, I guess, who actually looks at newsstands,
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and I look at the New York Times cover every morning, I look at the Washington Post, the Wall
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Street Journal, and then I'll look at those like novels and that, that they're put there, those,
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those like dime store paperback novels. And it all seems to be, it's all about, it's either Russia
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or the Middle East, Russia or the Middle East, all day long. If you're just some, some guy who's working
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a job out in Ohio, or in Southern Maine, or any part of the United States, of what interest is that
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to you? Of what direct interest is it to that story? And you'll see these stories as well in local
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newspapers. And it's something where, you know, I don't know, maybe I have to take it up with the
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estate of Tom Clancy, or I guess maybe like Jack Carr these days, and some of these other novelists,
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where it's like, you're right, though, it is these fanciful notions of universal appeal
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that really lead a lot of people down these paths. So we are the heroes, it's our job to save the world
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from itself. It's our job to defend the world against these nefarious, I don't know, cartoonish
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notions of the czar or the chairman is about to suddenly take over whatever. And it's it's
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while we wallow in these fanciful notions, our own cities and our own infrastructure is crumbling,
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literally, the bridge just collapsed in Baltimore Harbor, one of the biggest ports of the United
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States, the federal government is bailing it out. And they might not even call it the Francis Scott
00:38:08.180
key bridge anymore on the site where the star spangled banner itself was written. And yet
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nobody seems to put all of this together. Yeah, I mean, infrastructure is obviously a big one. And
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that should frankly, also be just a basic metric of success in governance is do we have, it's another
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thing that China has done pretty well. We have crumbling infrastructure, you know, obviously,
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there are reasons for that our infrastructure is built before China. So it's easier to build
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everything anew, but still, the amount of money that we've dedicated to it, and what we've gotten
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out of it is simply scandalous. And so these are just the basic, the basic things, but sometimes the
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basic things matter the most. So we've had all of these in curtailments of our liberties. And we don't
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even have, you know, working bridges, we don't have working infrastructure in the way that we should.
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And so, but just going back to this point about, you know, peoples cannot ultimately change their
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natures, we are what we are, we are a certain way, the Chinese are a certain way, I think the Anglo
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American spirit will always be animated by some degree of universal, universalism and universal appeal,
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which is why it's been so dominant and successful in many ways. The problem is
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that universal ideology and message is so corrupted and poisonous. And so the best case would be is if
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we can go and kind of extract the poison from it and maintain the global charisma and appeal,
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that puts us in a better position than even China, whose pragmatism, again, has served them well up to
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a point, but it prevents them from achieving that kind of level of global influence that the West has
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been able to attain. And I think that's right. And I think there is a and that would probably have to
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be the subject for another episode about the differences in the cultures, the differences
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in the civilizations that produces that. But as we go out, and I want to get to our final segment here,
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let's, let's close all this out and talk about how America can build itself and rebuild itself
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Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it.
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And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
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And we're going to turn it around and make our country great to get to you. Amen.
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All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back. Final segment, Darren B.D., the global strategy session.
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So, Darren, we've we've gone kind of all the way around the world. We've gone from
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Philadelphia in 1776 to the Beijing Olympics, as it were, of 2008, which is really China's sort of
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coming out party on the international stage. And I would agree with you that while China has
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and man, we're gonna have to do a whole episode on on why China has has hit a ceiling and why why
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other countries aren't don't have that ceiling in other civilizations, but or civilization states,
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as it were. We are not China. We are America. Our culture is different. Our demographics are
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different. Our people are different. Our history is different. I don't believe that we have that same
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kind of ceiling. And if we can get pragmatically the way forward, I'm just going to say the easiest
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way to put it is take a look at what Elon Musk is doing. Look at what he is promoting. You don't
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have to agree with every single thing he says, but the way he thinks of advancement and true progress,
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I feel offers a true way ahead for so many of us on these issues.
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Absolutely. You know, it's Elon, both Elon and Donald Trump are sort of quintessential
00:42:20.740
American success stories. I think Trump is the most American expression of being you can
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ever think of that was instantiated in one person. Musk, obviously, in some respects,
00:42:34.180
as a foreigner, people, you know, kind of jokingly, but accurately say African American. And I think
00:42:40.660
in some ways, these, you know, Africans like, like Elon, and you know, a lot of the
00:42:48.660
PayPal crowd has some sort of provenance in Africa. I think that makes sense. Because again, these,
00:42:56.820
these African outposts embody some of that frontier spirit that has dulled a bit in the United States.
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So I don't think it's simply accidental that a lot of these extremely successful entrepreneurs,
00:43:14.580
like Elon Musk, have some kind of African connection as sort of the last frontier as it,
00:43:22.900
as it were. But in any case, these are two figures who would not have been able to achieve their natural
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expression in any other context, but that of the United States of America certainly could not have
00:43:38.340
happened in China, but it couldn't have happened in Europe either. Europe is almost equally antithetical
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to the full expression of this human type. And I think this is the most encouraging development
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we've seen in this country in a long time. If any configuration, if any kind of constellation
00:43:58.260
or alignment could produce the conditions for American, not only just American supremacy,
00:44:05.540
but for American flourishing of the American people, it's this combination of Donald Trump
00:44:12.260
and Elon Musk. So we'll have to see what happens. There's a lot of work to be done,
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but I'm cautiously optimistic about the outcome.
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No, I would be cautiously optimistic as well. And, and I love the idea of thinking forward.
00:44:26.340
Um, our, our, our destiny should be the stars. Our destiny should be this idea that America and our
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civilization can, we hit the moon once. All right. We just did. Sorry, Alex Stein. We did. And then we,
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and then we kind of stopped and we decided that rather than continue past the moon or to do anything
00:44:50.580
else on the moon, we would get involved in, uh, Eurasia. And then we would invade the Middle East.
00:44:58.180
And we would forget about Mars and we would forget about space exploration. And we would just sort of,
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we would just sort of give up. And I think that's wrong. And I think it's nearsighted.
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And I think that the people who are against these things don't have that ultimate sense
00:45:14.100
of vision and that ultimate sense of understanding the possibilities of what could be. And there are
00:45:22.340
times when you don't know what could be, you don't realize what, uh, what could happen, but you do things
00:45:29.700
things anyway, because you believe in a greater potentiality than simply the, the run of the mill
00:45:37.780
day to day. And so I think that's always been the American spirit. I think that if you look at the
00:45:44.660
history of the 1960s, I think that that had a lot to do with taking that spirit away. I think that the
00:45:51.700
cold war, uh, paid a huge legacy on America and both materially and psychologically that we're
00:45:59.780
still, still dealing with. And there's a lot of baggage of the cold war that not necessarily trauma,
00:46:04.660
but I'll call it baggage because that's what it is that we are still working through in our
00:46:10.180
government. And even you get these, uh, you know, these, these 40 year old and 30 year old cold
00:46:15.940
warriors that didn't even go through the thing. And yet they're still fighting the cold war. It's like,
00:46:20.420
guys, the, it is not the 1990s anymore. It is certainly not the 1980s. I want to bring the
00:46:25.940
eighties back, but you know, not, not all of it, but, uh, you know, just our final couple of minutes,
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Darren Beattie to you, how would you sum it up? Well, I agree. And I think one of the laudable
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aspects of Elon's approach to things is that he's thinking in the longterm, not even necessarily the
00:46:45.700
substance of his goals, but the fact that he's thinking of goals in the broader stretch in
00:46:51.540
civilizational terms of saying, okay, my goal is to be a space faring people. How do we set that up?
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Is this consistent with the delusion or what he calls the woke mind virus and all of these things?
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And he works from there. He backwards engineers from, from the goal and he's thinking in long
00:47:11.140
terms. And that's, that alone is, is somewhat radical for, you know, people in the American
00:47:18.420
economy, business people, most, most of the American economy and people at, at, you know,
00:47:23.380
in managerial positions, at least they're just thinking until the next earnings report or
00:47:30.020
entrepreneurs are just thinking, oh, how do I build this up just to the degree that,
00:47:35.540
you know, some bigger entity can acquire us. You know, nobody's thinking really in those longer
00:47:41.300
term, you know, ambitious contexts. And that's, again, that's something that's critical. It's,
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it's an advantage that the deep state has. That's one of its defining features is that it can make
00:47:52.340
long-term plans. And so I think it's very encouraging to see Elon having this kind of long-term vision,
00:47:58.580
because I think that is critical for long-term success. Long-term vision for America and for
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American success. This is your global strategy session with Jack Posobiec and the professor,
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Darren Beattie. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.