SUNDAY SPECIAL： LIVE FROM CPAC WITH POSO, LIBBY EMMONS, AND NATALIE WINTERS
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A special live-to-tape episode from the CPAC fringe on the sidelines of the annual conservative conference, where Steve and Natalie Winters and Libby Emmons are in attendance. They talk about the dangers of blaming the Chinese for the spread of the deadly SARS virus, and why they think it might have come from a leak from a lab in China.
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Speaking of diarrhea, Tucker Carlson of Fox News, yesterday we learned that the Department
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of Energy, you probably know about this, believes with what they described as low confidence
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that COVID may have leaked from a lab in China.
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Eight federal agencies now have weighed in with their assessments, four believe COVID
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came from natural transmission, two say it was a lab leak, and two are still undecided.
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But the dingbats now see this as some kind of proof that they were right, that the virus
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came from a Chinese leak at a laboratory, which by the way, it might have.
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The point is, we didn't know then, we still don't know now, but what we did know is that
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Trump and his buddies blaming the Chinese resulted in a great deal of anti-Asian American sentiment
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And that's why it was irresponsible for the president to call it the China virus.
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He stopped allowing Chinese people to come to the country.
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And he kept on saying China, China, and doing this thing where I was even concerned as someone
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who had lost family members for Manny to even bring it up.
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The last guy before Biden said anything about this, he made it about Asian people.
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And I'm sure Jon Stewart didn't realize that that's what was happening because I'm sure
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he didn't know what was going on all over the country with Asian folks getting smacked
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and hit and people saying stuff to them about bringing the disease.
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And if you know who had not started it with that, had he not made it about that, had he
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said, listen, this might have come out of a lab, it probably would have been listened
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So as you note, Brett, the FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of
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the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for a very special live to tape episode here
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We're here at CPAC on the sidelines, the very same set for Real America's Voice, where we're
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And I'm very, very delighted and honored and privileged to have with me here both the great
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Natalie Winters and Libby Emmons, who was just named Editor-in-Chief of Human Events.
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You know, Natalie, I've been telling Steve that, you know, you actually got your start,
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if I remember correctly, as a Human Events writer.
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I think I published two or three articles there while it was under the control of the
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And now that Libby's in charge, that's why I keep saying Natalie Winters, the once and
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future, once and future investigative journalist for Human Events.
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You know, the first article I ever published, it was called The Weaponization of Media.
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And I feel like, and that was, gosh, three years ago.
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And now, weaponization is like the word of the year.
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Well, yeah, we have like a, there's a congressional committee on the weaponization of government.
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I mean, the thing is, though, and we're going to talk about Wuhan in a second, because I want
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to respond to Director Ray's comments, but if you look at the impact of your journalism
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for, and for the audience out there, you just had your birthday.
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I know you said it publicly, so I'm not putting you on the spot.
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I just turned the big 22, in the words of Taylor Swift.
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At 22, you've had more impact on journalism than most, in your journalism, than most of
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the people that go to 10 years of journalism school that start out as like the little staff
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They would kill to have a congressional committee based off of their work.
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They would kill to be able to interview the people you've interviewed, to be able to be
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just on shows with the people that you were on with.
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But because they have this imprimatur of being with the New York Times or the Washington Post,
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So I want to talk about the issue that presents itself before us today, that finally, after
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three years of the war room, of us just pounding this down, you going through receipt by receipt,
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day by day, coming up with the names of every, you know, digging through LinkedIn to find
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the, you know, who's involved with the Chinese Communist Party.
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Finally, the words that emanate from the mouth of director of the FBI, he admits it, that
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How does it feel to be validated on such a high level?
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And I'm very fortunate to work with wonderful people like yourself and Steve, who've been
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just such amazing mentors, but colleagues and friends.
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But it really is amazing, I think, what we have uncovered about Wuhan.
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And people always say to me, some of the mainstream media detractors, you know, say, Natalie,
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you never got your master's in, you know, Chinese studies, you never went to journalism
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And while I think it's easy to mock the institutions, because you are right, they don't confer any
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I having just graduated from the University of Chicago, I really didn't learn anything.
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But I think there's something more nefarious going on with these institutions.
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And I think why there was such a massive cover up campaign about the origins of COVID.
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Because it's not just that you go to these schools, right, these journalism schools at
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these prestigious universities, and get indoctrinated by, you know, I would argue, kind of the far
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You get indoctrinated by the Chinese Communist Party.
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The CCP has poured millions, tens of millions of dollars, I would argue hundreds of millions
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of dollars into some of America's most premier and prestigious universities.
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And I always say the CCP is not a silent investor.
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They're not like Americans in how we conduct foreign policy, where we just give Ukraine,
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you know, billions of dollars in exchange for basically nothing.
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Which we're going to be talking about in a second.
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But in exchange for this money, they want to pump out experts who you see every day on
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the mainstream media, who defend the Chinese Communist Party.
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Sometimes it's explicit, but it's also more implicit, too.
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Remember, we're all xenophobes, we're all racists, we're all Nazis, because we had the
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temerity to call out the Chinese Communist Party, Shenzhen Li, the Bat Lady.
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I remember, wait, we'll feel back the curtain here a little bit.
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I can remember getting a call from Natalie Winters right before you dropped your first
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ever article, or I guess you were going to do a come on war room about it, and you were
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Hey, I always have to have my facts right, because if not, the fact checkers will do a
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They did that to me with wrong claim ones, actually.
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Remember, the fact checkers used to use Wuhan Institute of Virology researchers to correct
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my articles, and I told Alan Duke, he's the CEO of an editor of two of these stories on
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war room, I said, how is that not a conflict of interest?
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Which, by the way, go back and watch the struggle session, the classic, it was like the 4th of
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July, right, last year or two years ago, maybe, where it's me, Natalie Winters, Raheem
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Kassam, and Alan Duke, and we just put him through a struggle session of his own words.
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Because he's funded by TikTok, he's funded by the Chinese Communist Party.
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There's a lot of that going around, by the way.
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And this idea, though, that they're finally admitting the things that we've all known,
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that we've all said, that we're just calling it out like it is, I have to put it this way.
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I think, and it's interesting because for me, my focus when I was in the Navy, when I was
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living in China, my focus has always been the CCP for years and years and years and years.
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I was like the guy in the corner saying, yeah, I think Iraq is whatever, but the CCP thing
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We should be careful, we should do something about that, we should take notice.
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And they said, ah, you don't know what you're talking about, that's fine, just go write
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your report, sit in the corner, you know, learn your Mandarin, whatever, nobody cares, that
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Okay, you know, see they're building these islands, and now they're weaponizing the islands,
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That eventually, they are turning on them, but there's an interesting piece, because what
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do you not hear Chris Wray talk about in that clip?
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You don't hear him say the name Peter Daszak, you don't hear him talk about Ralph Barak, you
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don't hear him talk about EcoHealth Alliance, and he certainly doesn't talk about the fact
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that there were elements of the U.S. government that were involved in this gain-of-function
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research that ultimately led, specifically on the humanized mice portion of this, where
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it's gotten into humanized mice a different story, that this was their contribution to
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It's also really interesting, because Chris Wray used a word that you don't typically hear
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when the establishment comes out to support the lab leak theory.
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He didn't call it an accident, he called it an incident, which is very different, right?
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Because an accident means that it wasn't intentionally released.
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Incident, right, that diction there, leaves the possibility of that open.
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And I would argue that it was a Freudian slip on his part, because I think the heart of
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the issue, what you're talking about, it really goes to the broader issue of the Chinese Communist
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Party, which is that they can't just inflict damage here in the United States acting independently.
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They're always reliant upon the American establishment to kind of co-mingle with them and create,
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whether it's bioweapons, whether it's economic chaos, you name it, right?
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And the NIH, I mean, they were listed on the Wuhan Institute of Virology website as one of the foremost partners.
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You can read the studies, read the primary documents, and you can see the grant money from Fauci.
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It was not just designated as going to Peter Dalshack and EcoHealth Alliance.
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It was directly given to, I will say it correctly for you,
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Chiu-Jung Lee and other Wuhan Institute of Virology researchers.
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Every time you say it, by the way, on the air, I always remember that phone call.
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I said, I realized that Natalie Winters, all she cares about is getting it right.
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So if I know, hey, I know a guy speaks Mandarin, I'll call him, how do you say this again?
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But what we're seeing here, I think absolutely number one, is a limited hangout
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because they're giving us Wuhan to protect Fauci, to protect NIH, to protect Barrick, to protect all of us.
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But on the bigger part here, and before we switch gears in the next segment to go talk Ukraine,
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that they're also trying to set up a situation where we talk about it like it was an incident,
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but we get the CCP off the hook when they owe us billions, if not trillions of dollars
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for the tens of thousands of lives lost, for the economic man hours lost,
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for everything that was lost to us in all of this time, all of these lives,
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the destruction that was wreaked upon the world, the fact that they did this,
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and it seems like they're getting away with it.
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Of course, and it's always been, I would argue, about recalculating what the problem is about COVID.
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They want to make it about pandemic prevention and mass vaccination and power by the government
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And that's honestly why they have quashed the lab leak theory
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and promoted this natural origins theory to push for pandemic prevention,
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which is, I would argue, one of the largest rackets known to mankind.
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So in the next segment here, we are going to talk about another racket that's coming up.
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And if nobody ever arrests Vladimir Putin and his group, what does justice look like?
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Well, at this stage, the investigation is the most important thing.
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World War II, Germany was still holding war crimes trials as recently as last year.
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Same thing is happening in Yugoslavia for the crimes that were committed decades ago.
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So at this stage, it's about collecting the evidence, preparing cases for when the opportunity presents itself,
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either a regime change in Russia or somebody travels outside into Europe on a vacation or a visit.
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They can never escape accountability, no matter how long it takes.
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And we're back here live from CPAC with Libby Emmons as well as Natalie Winters.
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The best of human events and the best of the war room.
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Now, Libby, I wanted to get into here this huge breaking story that we put out this week
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about Alexander Vindman, the receipts that we dropped on Lieutenant Colonel Chow Thief himself.
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And by the way, I don't know if you saw, but he's very, very upset with us on Twitter.
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Yeah, he doesn't seem to like that we exposed this.
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So Alexander Vindman was seeking a lucrative defense contract from the U.S.
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He wanted to use with Trident support, pitch to deck on Ukraine Weapons System Sustainment Center
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to address problems with Ukraine's weapons management.
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And this would be to repair machinery and equipment and weapons that were coming in from NATO
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and to then get them out to the front lines on Ukraine.
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So what you're saying is he wants defense contracts specifically for these vehicles,
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these tanks that we hear that we're sending to Ukraine.
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We need American hands and American business working on this to funding the resupply,
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And who better, who better to receive the maintenance contracts than Alexander Vindman himself
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and his brother Yevigny Vindman and all of these people that played a role in starting
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the war themselves, shall I say, an overblown role, an outsized role in starting the war.
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Because, of course, they worked to destabilize the relationship between the U.S., Ukraine,
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He lied to the government during the impeachment trial of President Trump.
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At a time, and it's like a whole other explanation of, remember, Vindman's, or excuse me,
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But now we're supposed to believe that everything Zelensky says is gospel.
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But this is the same guy that you said we shouldn't believe during Trump's impeachment.
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Right, because Zelensky was, at the time, I think it was 2019, and he was talking about
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He was, you know, saying that it was just a conversation about why the prosecutor had
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Trump wanted to know why the prosecutor was fired after Joe Biden had pressured Ukraine
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to fire this prosecutor who was allegedly looking into his...
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Withholding money, telling the Ukraine government to fire a prosecutor who was investigating an
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energy company on whose board his son, Hunter, sat.
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He bragged about his withholding of this money.
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He bragged about getting Ukraine to fire this prosecutor.
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Trump came in and wanted to know more details about that.
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And there were allegations that money was withheld because of that.
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And suddenly, what they did was they flipped it around so that the very thing that Biden
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He writes, on my piece, which I'm writing, what did he call it?
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I'm trying to get logistics in place to help Ukraine win the war and secure America.
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I'm looking for philanthropic contributions to get it going, which means he didn't get
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He did not get the $12 million in initial funding.
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Reach out if you support the cause of democracy and U.S. national security.
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Then in the follow-up tweet, attorneys, is there a defamation suit here?
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It's not a great legal strategy if you're admitting that the thing I accused you of
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is true and then turning around and claiming that it's defamation.
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I know there's some lefty judges out there, but just saying, man.
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There's a line in the Bible about building your house on sand.
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But please, if you want to go, Alexander, this is between me.
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If you want to do, please sue human events so that we can get discovery on all of your
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communications with the Ukrainian government going back five years.
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But Natalie, so you're hearing this, you're digging into this.
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How brazen is it to have the guy, the very guy who started this thing, now involved in,
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apparently he wasn't even able to do it, which is actually just funny in its own right,
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was trying to profit off of the very war he started?
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Well, this is actually a very interesting story because there was a wonderful Guardian article
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I got to tweet this at him while we're talking about it.
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That came out a few days ago that was talking about how Alexander Vindman is actually not
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an anomaly, but there's been a trend in the United States where dozens of people who really
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are the swamp personified, right, people like Alexander Vindman, but these lobbying shops,
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Republicans and Democrats have been registering as pro bono foreign agents on behalf of Ukraine,
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saying that what they're doing is basically a philanthropic venture.
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They're just trying to kind of help raise Ukraine's profile here in the West, get them armaments,
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but really I would argue get them propagandistic media coverage here in the United States and
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But what's so interesting and what this investigation uncovered and what we had, of course, broken
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at the war room a few months prior is that these same lobbying firms that are registering
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allegedly pro bono on behalf of Ukraine, while their other clients are actually basically
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the military industrial complex, Boeing, Raytheon, the companies who are profiting
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And I'll take this story even a step further and, of course, tied to the Chinese Communist
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But a lot of these lobbying firms are also the same companies that are working on behalf
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of the Chinese Communist Party, whether directly embassies, foreign embassies, but also
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these kind of foreign influence groups like the China United States Exchange Foundation.
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And why that's so relevant and important is because besides the Ukrainian oligarchs and
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people like maybe Alexander Vindman, although it sounds like his business endeavors aren't
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going too well, the number one beneficiaries of Ukraine turning into a forever war is the
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Well, it's sort of fascinating, too, because now we're seeing China had put out their intent,
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you know, they had like a 12-point peace plan, which I'd be interested to hear what you think
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about that. But also there was talk about China supplying Russia with weapons. So then what we
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have is this war between Ukraine and Russia turns into a war between the U.S., China and Russia.
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And that seems to be exactly the kind of thing we should be seeking to not get ourselves involved in.
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This is like political illiteracy, because if you understand the state of the world right now,
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and we talk about this on War Room and on Human Events every day, there are three great powers
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in the world, three great powers, three nuclear, et cetera, right? They have these massive nuclear
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arsenals. There's America, there's the U.S. Excuse me, America, Russia, China, right?
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America, Russia, China. And if you are the U.S., you want to do everything you can to isolate
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the CCP and break up the CCP's relationship with Russia.
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And instead what we're doing is driving them closer together.
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Instead of driving them together and then demonizing both of them at the same time.
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And also we have China pressuring Saudi Arabia to sell oil in Yuan.
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Which is a huge problem, of course. You have China soliciting Russia to buy oil from them instead,
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you know, especially after the U.S. basically blew up the pipelines to Europe.
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Yep. Yeah, it really seems like we are telling our enemies that they should unify fully against
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us in every conceivable sphere, economically, socially, and with weapons.
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How is the CCP, with this type of profiteering that we're seeing from Vindman here, this is the
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very same type of thing you've seen with CCP money, isn't it?
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Of course. I always say that the way that the Chinese Communist Party has overtaken the
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United States is through the lobbying firms, is through the law firms. And not just because
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they have them on retainer, right? So they're advocating for them, whether it's the embassy
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itself or front groups like the China United States Exchange Foundation, all these very nice
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sounding groups, which their motives are certainly not nice. But the other, I think, more nefarious
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aspect to it, is that these lobbying firms, their other clients, not just our big business,
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which, of course, they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them, the Chinese Communist
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Party, but they also work for the military industrial complex. And like I was telling Libby,
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the biggest, I would say, beneficiaries of Ukraine turning into a forever war is the Chinese Communist
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Party, because it's just a waste of more and more, not just American taxpayer dollars, but
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I think we're going to get to the point where it becomes Americans' lives, as Zelensky has
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demanded, and he seems to always get what he wants.
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We're going to talk about that in the very next segment.
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You're teeing me up. You're just teeing me up. It's almost like we pre-planned this or something.
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But what I do want to also point out, though, is that there is a third audience that I think
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a lot of people are missing in terms of all of this. It's not just, you know, Russia and
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China and then the U.S. There's also the concept of the global south. There is this, which
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is a, by the way, population-wise is far exceeds the global north. So you're talking
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South America. You're talking Africa. You're talking India. You're talking Southeast Asia,
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South Asia, right? All of these countries are looking to see who is going to come out
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on top of this. Who do we want to work with? Do we want to work with the people that are
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constantly talking about war, war, war, war, destruction, and oh, by the way, your kids
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are going to be marching with the drag queens? Or do we want to work with the people that,
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okay, maybe we don't like how China runs their country. Maybe we don't like how Russia runs
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their country. But you know what? They don't force that stuff on us.
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Well, and it is really interesting to me that the same leftists and progressives who claim
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that colonialization is this terrible thing and cultural appropriation are terrible things
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are going out there into Africa and Rwanda, pushing abortion, pushing trans issues on all
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of these people that don't want it. They are culturally colonizing these places themselves
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Coming up on the end of the segment, but in the next, I want to get into a little controversy
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that happened this week involving a deepfake, Joe Biden, something that I made, people got
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So this week, I made a deepfake of Joe Biden that got a little bit of attention. Newsweek,
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Snopes, USA Today, they're very, very upset with me. Because what I did was, I kind of
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dialed the calendar forward about a year. And I had Biden coming up and saying, in order
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to meet Russia's illegal occupation of Ukraine and China's blockade of Taiwan, I am now instituting
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the Selective Service Act. Anyone who turns 20 years old as a calendar year, 2023, male, female,
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or other, will now be required to register for service with the United States military.
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Military. And people lost their minds. Because I saw, I said where they're going. And I showed
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everyone. And so people were saying, well, how, you know, and I had people on the right who said,
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how could you do that? Why would you make something like this? And they said, and I said,
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first of all, first of all, it's, we're trying to prevent World War III. Okay, we're trying to
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prevent the military industrial complex and Joe Biden from doing this. But second of all, this is my
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best response. They said, well, could you imagine if someone did that to Trump? I said, oh, really?
00:25:12.780
You mean the media lie about Trump? You mean the media might lie about Donald Trump? Oh, no. Oh,
00:25:17.140
no. But this is what I'm saying is that conservatives have to stop being scared of the Washington Post
00:25:23.760
writing you up, the CNN writing you up, Jake Tapper writing you up, Snow Newsweek, Wikipedia,
00:25:30.000
Google. Screw all of them. They're going to do what they're going to do, but they have no power unless you
00:25:37.580
All right, we are back here with Libby Emmons, Natalie Winters, the sidelines of CPAC. Very
00:25:47.200
excited. So you just heard that speech. That was me on stage earlier today at CPAC. And what I was
00:25:53.460
talking about on a two front basis was this idea of why it was that we came up with and produced and
00:26:02.360
scripted and released this deep fake of Joe Biden this week. And we decided to make a deep fake of
00:26:07.060
Joe Biden instituting the national draft, the Selective Service Act, which, by the way, Natalie,
00:26:13.040
since you mentioned so graciously earlier in the show that you just turned 22, so did you know
00:26:20.320
that everyone from 20 to 25 is in the first batch for the Selective Service Act? And that's men
00:26:33.140
So we actually, when we did this, I pulled the Selective Service Act language and I even went to
00:26:38.000
the website to see, okay, well, how does it work, right? So there's a lottery and it starts if it
00:26:43.460
starts in calendar year 2023, it starts at 20, then it goes to 21, then it goes to 22, then 23, 24, 25,
00:26:55.120
and it goes on from there until they reach their quotas. And so Natalie Winters, how does it and wait,
00:26:59.760
but what's going to happen though? Because if Steve goes to jail and I have to go fight in
00:27:04.300
Ukraine, who's going to host the war room? Libby, what are you doing? What are you up to?
00:27:10.320
I'm not even covered by the Selective Service Act.
00:27:12.660
Yeah, I haven't been raided yet. But what I did was to, I made this video as a way, it's obviously
00:27:20.780
political commentary. It's obviously satire. It's the same thing, by the way, that SNL does every
00:27:26.020
single weekend when they find an actor who looks like the president, goes up there and
00:27:31.260
has them say something. And I came on even in the video itself and explained what you
00:27:36.340
just saw. But they got so mad. They lost their minds. You said, well, that wasn't comedy.
00:27:43.680
So what? Right? No, it was commentary to make a point that that is what we are headed to.
00:27:49.080
But I want to actually ask this question from a different angle. Natalie, for Zoomers that
00:27:55.340
are in that age range I just talked about, 20 to 25, what do you think would actually
00:28:00.340
happen to your generation if suddenly Biden got up there and gave this announcement?
00:28:05.440
And by the way, in the video, because we really dialed it up, he actually says, nobody
00:28:11.340
caught this, but he says, in response to Russia's occupation of Kiev and China's blockade
00:28:17.960
of Taiwan. So the idea is that it would be a two-front global conflict, which is Mearsheimer's
00:28:22.620
warning that we are currently headed towards. What do you think would be the effect of your
00:28:27.780
generation, 20 to 25, this calendar year, if they heard that they were being conscripted
00:28:33.400
to go off to fight Russia and China at the same time?
00:28:36.380
Well, I love getting questions about my generation because I never get to talk about my generation.
00:28:41.920
And it's funny that you bring up Professor Mearsheimer, because when I was a student at the
00:28:46.160
University of Chicago, I actually took a class of his. Wow. So he is my old professor, the
00:28:51.840
only person I learned anything from. This explains it. Now, wait a minute. This is the actual origin
00:28:56.380
story of where Natalie Winters, a student of Mearsheimer. I have to dox myself because it
00:29:03.000
was during COVID and I actually didn't attend a single class because it was virtual. I was
00:29:07.380
too busy doing war room. But to answer your question, but highly respect Professor Mearsheimer.
00:29:13.160
That's probably my biggest regret in life that I didn't go to any of his classes.
00:29:17.380
But because of the Chinese Communist Party, by the way.
00:29:20.280
But see, so, yeah, I was doing other good stuff. So I don't I don't feel that bad. But
00:29:24.060
yeah, exactly. It was just the CCP. So they could keep me out of his his class. But, you
00:29:29.220
know, I don't even know. I think my generation is is so detached from reality. And I don't just
00:29:33.980
even mean that in terms of the worldviews that they hold. Right. Whether they're socialists.
00:29:37.900
I just mean, I don't even think that they actually understand the implications, whether
00:29:42.440
it be geopolitics on their own lives. And I think that if, you know, news that they would
00:29:47.180
be drafted into this kind of two front war would come to them via tick tock. I think
00:29:51.520
they're so desensitized to just everything. That's kind of my sense that I get when I talk
00:29:56.380
to people. I feel like you have to go get people. I think like you'd actually have to go to people's
00:30:01.500
houses and get them. I don't think that they would know that they are supposed to show up
00:30:04.760
and do anything. The sad part, too, I think, you know, I didn't graduate high school that
00:30:09.420
long ago. So I sort of know the narratives, right, that they're pushing in these classrooms.
00:30:14.460
And you can see in the polling, right, I think we've hit record lows in terms of the number
00:30:18.320
of Americans who are actually proud to be American. Right. And I would argue that's part of the
00:30:23.240
Chinese Communist Party's, you know, unrestricted and unconventional warfare tactic, by the way,
00:30:27.700
is a huge part of. Yeah. So I think that people would not show up. I think people it's
00:30:33.980
not that they wouldn't want to fight in the war because they don't want to die or, oh,
00:30:37.280
you know, I don't know if it's right. They don't want to defend America. I think that's
00:30:41.500
the fundamental issue. And we say this is they'd be probably seeing this on TikTok, which is,
00:30:45.920
of course, a controlled app. Well, and the thing, too, though, is that with
00:30:48.780
the generation, with Zoomers that I see, it seems like they go to TikTok and they say,
00:30:54.940
oh, that's crazy. Oh, that's crazy. Oh, that's crazy. Oh, that's crazy. I can't believe
00:30:58.000
that happened. I can't believe that. But there's no sense of connection to anything that's
00:31:01.740
going on. Oh, that's crazy. Trump. Oh, that's crazy. We saw this with that horrible shooting
00:31:06.380
in St. Louis. There was no connection to what was going on. And that was live. That was
00:31:10.860
live. It was a person was using the phone as an interface to reality and did not feel
00:31:15.420
that they had any impact on reality. I mean, I'm I'm no Joe Allen. He's our transhumanism
00:31:19.960
guy at the war room. It's very smart. But I think it is an interesting convergence of reality
00:31:26.140
in the metaverse. And it really dissociates you from what's going on. And that's that's
00:31:31.820
the point. It's there's a sense of it's it's unreality. Well, Colombia, the country of Colombia
00:31:36.460
just held a legal trial in the metaverse, which I think is absolutely a devastating turn of events
00:31:42.660
for justice itself. Well, I mean, was that but you look at it, we've kind of been doing the same
00:31:48.440
thing here when during COVID. During COVID, how many trials do we have that were on zoom? I think
00:31:53.800
it's absolutely unacceptable. NPC judges, you know, it's like in the judges are NPCs, which
00:31:58.680
by the way, this is an argument that Libby and I have all the time behind the scenes of what I
00:32:03.560
always say, what's the difference between an AI writing something and an NPC writing something?
00:32:08.520
Yeah, I think everyone has a soul though. One was created by God, I would argue.
00:32:14.120
No, I'm not talking about the person versus the machine. I'm talking about the just the content
00:32:20.120
of the writing itself. If I go to one of those, and we were talking before about those like 20
00:32:24.840
something bloggers at the times or whatever, or one of these, like, somebody went to J school,
00:32:29.800
and you always know what they're going to write, you always know what their narrative is going to be.
00:32:33.320
It's the exact same thing every time that's an NPC. And so you know, all CNN says that I need 10
00:32:39.560
vaccinations and boosters, and I need to turn my kid into a girl and all this because CNN
00:32:44.040
says I saw it on TV, right? We'd literally have people who stayed in their homes for a year
00:32:47.880
because the TV told them to. So that's an NPC. So what's the difference between an NPC writing
00:32:53.000
who can't think for themselves and an AI where you do the thinking for them?
00:32:56.360
Well, that's why the same side supports, I think it's not just indoctrination,
00:32:59.800
but it's the destruction of critical thinking and the ability to think for yourself.
00:33:03.080
And that's why they also support AI. And that's why they got upset about my deepfake.
00:33:07.320
Well, that's the thing about the deepfake too, that's so important,
00:33:10.280
is that people are not thinking critically about it. And Biden said just about a year ago
00:33:15.400
that there would be no troops on the ground in Ukraine. But he also said that we wouldn't be
00:33:19.480
sending tanks, right? And he also said that we wouldn't be doing all of this other stuff.
00:33:23.320
And we're doing all of it. So World War three. Yes, he said that. So how long before he goes back
00:33:29.640
on the promise of there being no troops on the ground, which now we do actually have troops on
00:33:34.360
the ground because they go over there to help the Ukrainian military figure out how to use the
00:33:39.080
weapons and do all of that stuff. And there's also true that the U.S. is facilitating Ukraine's
00:33:46.120
targeting of the American missiles. So we're already heavily involved in this war. How long before they
00:33:52.600
do demand like Zelensky promised? Let me ask you guys, what do you think about this broader
00:33:57.480
question? There was actually one expert on, you know, disinformation or whatever communications
00:34:02.440
who actually basically had my back and said, I think this is a legitimate use of this technology
00:34:07.560
for political commentary. Do you think that it is legitimate to use this type of stuff to,
00:34:14.360
and you know, Natalie's point to get attention. We all have 90 seconds left. We can carry this over
00:34:20.040
to get people's attention, to have this discussion, or is it completely inappropriate to actually,
00:34:25.320
you know, go on offense and put points on the board? I think it's, I think it's acceptable. I think
00:34:29.800
it's an acceptable use of the technology. I think it is important to say that this is,
00:34:34.280
you know, technologically generated and is not actually, you know, a tape of what Biden said.
00:34:39.960
But I do think that it's a perfectly good use of the technology for satire and to expose what's going
00:34:46.360
on. I think the issue when it comes to the regulation of this stuff and when you say,
00:34:50.200
oh, well, you got to slap a label on it, you have to very clearly say it's parody, it's humor,
00:34:54.520
that sort of goes against the whole point of parody and humor and comedy. But I also think
00:34:59.240
it's, it's sort of like the Russia collusion hoax. I think it's offensive to the American people.
00:35:03.240
And it's saying that you're too dumb to actually be able to decide what's real, what's fake.
00:35:07.720
And I think that is sort of, again, the Freudian slip part on the part of the establishment that
00:35:11.960
it shows you how idiotic. Well, it's kind of like, it's kind of like the establishment saying,
00:35:15.960
no, you're not allowed to lie about your political opponents. Only we're allowed to lie about our
00:35:20.920
political opponents. Because I even saw some conservatives and they said to me, oh, well,
00:35:25.320
how would you like it if they did that to you? I'm like, where have you been for the last 10
00:35:29.640
years? How would I like it if the media lied about me and my friends and the people on our
00:35:34.920
political? Have you seen what they do to Steve Bannon? Have you seen what they say about us every,
00:35:39.240
what they're probably saying about us right now as we're filming this at CPAC? It's ridiculous.
00:35:43.800
So it's, it's like, it's like what Andrew Breitbart said. He's like, they're going to do,
00:35:46.680
they have two moves. They call you a Nazi, they call you Timothy McVeigh. And, and that's all
00:35:50.680
they do. And they think that's going to stop you. Now it's misinformation spreader.
00:35:53.080
It's kind of like in between, you know, Nina Yankovic is raising money,
00:35:55.880
but we're going to come back. Final segment here, Jack Posobiec, Libby Emmons,
00:36:03.960
All right. Final segment here, CPAC, Natalie Winters, Libby Emmons. Guys, and, and you guys are
00:36:10.280
as much prognosticators. You've gotten so much right over the last couple of years as, as anybody out
00:36:15.720
there. And I would put you up, I would put up your records as journalists against anyone in the
00:36:22.120
mainstream media, anyone on MSNBC, anyone on CNN, anyone, New York times, guardian, any of this,
00:36:30.520
I would, I would say, let's go pound for pound. Let's actually match records. See who's got right.
00:36:35.080
And who didn't? Well, Jack, I have to say, you know, the New York times has crowned
00:36:39.800
War Room, the number one spreader of misinformation. You got to pick up the slack.
00:36:43.800
Wait, where is it? I was so upset. I was, no, I would say though, that it's been my contributions
00:36:50.280
to War Room that really put it over the top. We're drifting off of you. We're riding your
00:36:54.280
coattails. Anytime I come on, it's like, all right, what's the big lie today? But there was,
00:36:59.400
you had, cause you had the, the crown and Libby, you missed it. Natalie had the crown and the
00:37:04.280
mustache. A very nice member of the War Room Posse had it made and got a, got a tiara.
00:37:10.760
That was, that was actually amazing. That's why we love the War Room Posse.
00:37:13.480
We do love the War Room Posse. But, but, but when I, when I say prognostication,
00:37:18.440
where are we going with all of this? Where is, you know, and, and actually let me ask Libby first,
00:37:23.080
because you, you have a mind for trends in media, as you are in media yourself. Where do you see this
00:37:30.920
type of journalism going? Because, you know, is the website dead? Is the blog dead? Is journalism
00:37:38.120
now a personal thing? What's the next thing that will drop? The next thing that will drop in
00:37:43.320
journalism? I think we're going to see a lot more deep fake stuff going on. I think that's for sure.
00:37:48.680
I, I really like the rise of the citizen journalists who goes out and covers things in their local area.
00:37:55.240
And as we have the decline of local newspapers, I think that's so important, you know, that people
00:38:01.960
record and document what they're doing in their own areas. I think we should see a lot more of that.
00:38:07.480
And I think that the, you know, the burgeoning outlets really need to dig into what's going on
00:38:13.480
and really need to expose the- People come up to me every day and they say,
00:38:17.320
how can I make an impact? And I say, get a press credential in your town.
00:38:21.240
And just go for it. And just go to the town meeting.
00:38:23.240
We'll report on things. Look what Alex Stein turned that in.
00:38:26.280
It turned that whole career into crashing those meetings.
00:38:30.360
I love it. I love it. God bless. God bless the primetime 99.
00:38:33.800
But, but it, you know, and you look at like, Natalie, what you've been able to do
00:38:37.560
with your journalism, it's the stories are out there. So how can people, you know,
00:38:42.520
when they sit back and they come and say, how do I get involved? What do I do?
00:38:45.720
How do I get started? People come up to me here at CPAC and say, here's my card.
00:38:49.320
I have this thing. I have that thing. What would your advice to those people?
00:38:53.720
Yeah. You know, three, three years ago, uh, I was still living in LA and I just graduated high
00:38:59.640
school and you know, now look where I am. And it's, I remember the first night that I met you
00:39:06.680
at Trump DC with Tanya was there. And we were with sort of like the MAGA DC.
00:39:11.640
I knew nothing crew and it was, we used to hold these MAGA meetups, you know, every,
00:39:15.880
it was like every Wednesday or something. And we would just sort of, you know, people would
00:39:19.960
come around and meet and someone said, Hey, this is Natalie. She's going to be,
00:39:22.840
she's going to be great. I want you to, you know, you know, keep an eye on
00:39:25.720
her while she's working here in DC. Okay. Uh, and yeah, we'll see whatever. And you know,
00:39:34.760
But you know, what's so interesting? Cause you know, when we meet the war room posse,
00:39:39.480
they're always so nice. And they say, Natalie, you know, you're so good at your job. You're so
00:39:42.920
good at reporting. And I always say, I'm actually not. And what I, what I mean by that is that
00:39:49.640
I'm just lucky because I am so young. I don't have any conflicts of interest, right? I haven't
00:39:53.960
gone through journalism school. I haven't worked on the hill. I haven't been a foreign lobbyist,
00:39:59.560
right? I don't have any of those conflicts of interest. So I can just report.
00:40:04.040
Alexander Vindman hasn't hired you for his defense contracting for me.
00:40:07.320
Hey, I'm very happy at war room, but you never know. No. But I think that's the point. And,
00:40:12.280
you know, take the issue of, and my point is get involved. And if election fraud is so rampant
00:40:17.480
and so widespread, which we know it is, right? We all live in the United States. Most of us probably
00:40:22.200
do. So there's election fraud going on in your community. So go out and find it, right? That's
00:40:26.680
what we saw happen in the midterms. And of course, you know, you're doing something right.
00:40:30.760
When the mainstream media loses their collective, I don't want to say mind,
00:40:33.880
because they don't have one, but they're, they're NPC chat, GPT bot AI mind.
00:40:37.800
Yeah, the brain goes down. But I think that's, find, find some aspects, something that's going on,
00:40:43.560
you know, watch war room, watch shows like yours to understand the bigger meta narratives
00:40:48.280
about what's happening, right? The weaponization of government, election fraud, the origins of COVID.
00:40:53.240
And that's happening. It trickles down. It permeates into your community too,
00:40:57.560
on a local level, which I would almost argue is more important because it's these stories together
00:41:02.600
that form the broader narratives, but become a whistleblower, find the fraud, you know,
00:41:07.000
get involved. It doesn't, it's not just writing a check.
00:41:09.400
It also can be like really simple, which is in so many facets of our lives, we are told by mainstream,
00:41:17.160
mainstream media. We're told by even friends and family to just lie about things, right? We were
00:41:22.920
told to lie about a vaccine efficacy. We were told to lie about masks. We're told to lie and tell people
00:41:29.560
that they can actually become the opposite sex. We're told to lie to kids about, you know, their gender
00:41:36.280
and sexuality as well. And just refuse to lie, you know, stay, speak the truth, tell others to speak
00:41:42.200
the truth, refuse to lie, refuse to believe lies and stand on those words.
00:41:46.520
Imagine being a normie and having to walk around with the amount of just lies that you have to live
00:41:58.280
It's actually happened to me a few times where I've met people, you know, just out in the world
00:42:03.400
who recognize me and they'll come up and it's like a breath of fresh air because they know they
00:42:11.080
I'm not going to, you know, attack them for using the wrong pronoun or if you said the R word or if you
00:42:18.120
did this or that, I don't care, right? Because they know that I've been through that pain box situation
00:42:23.640
and I don't care about that world. It's that, by the way, this is what it was like living in the
00:42:28.840
Soviet Union. And you guys know my wife, she tells us stories about it, that there are certain
00:42:33.400
conversations where like you would have to go outside of the house and make sure nobody's around
00:42:39.160
and whisper just to be able to talk. So that's what freedom of speech actually means in a broader
00:42:47.000
sense is that it's the ability, and they talk about this in Orwell, that it's not so much that the
00:42:52.840
party can compel your speech. It is that they will actually control your language,
00:42:59.000
they will control your thoughts, and that you have like this little sensor living inside your mind
00:43:04.040
that you can't talk about. Or if you were to use, I don't know, like emojis on Twitter
00:43:09.560
to describe somebody and then you get kicked out of a sorority.
00:43:12.280
A clown emoji talking about clownish transgender people. It's calling reality for what it is. And I
00:43:19.320
think that's why people dovetails with what we were talking about before, right? When they see
00:43:23.480
people like you, people like Steve, it's like an affirmation that they're not crazy and people
00:43:29.080
don't want to feel crazy. It's okay to be normal. And frankly, what even is normal nowadays? You know,
00:43:35.080
they keep changing the definitions, they change the definitions on pandemic, vaccine efficacy,
00:43:40.520
gender, really any word. There's a there's a 4chan phrase that I'm just gonna have to throw out
00:43:46.520
because it's very typical 4chan phrases. Don't worry, I won't get us too canceled. But it's,
00:43:52.040
it's just very powerful. It's very short, it's very punchy. And it just says, you will never be a real
00:43:56.920
woman. Well, you will never fight. And they have like hats. And, and it's like they've even made
00:44:03.720
a deep fake of Biden saying this. And it's, it's these sort of phrases where you hear it.
00:44:09.160
And everybody knows it's true. Everybody knows it's true. And you're not
00:44:12.600
supposed to say anything about it disagree with it. Can I say something controversial? Dylan Mulvaney
00:44:18.280
is ugly. Get out. Get out. She looks weird. She looks weird. He, they, whatever. It's offensive
00:44:27.080
as a woman. Wait, how? I don't find Dylan Mulvaney offensive, like from a female perspective. But I,
00:44:33.960
in terms of like, you're not a woman, which obviously he's not a woman. But what I find
00:44:38.120
so offensive about Mulvaney is the 100 days of girlhood, where he said that he's like emerging
00:44:43.160
as a girl. Yes. And like, if you're not born a girl, if you don't grow up a girl, you're just not
00:44:47.800
a girl and you're never going to be a woman. And it doesn't make, uh, it doesn't make any sense
00:44:51.960
to lie to people about who they are and what their status is. Also, you don't get to control
00:44:56.600
how other people view you. I'm really sick of this whole thing where you're supposed to like
00:45:01.000
address people by how they would like to be addressed personally based on their own delusions
00:45:06.360
and manifestations. I'm done with that. There's a bigger, there's a bigger point. And you made this
00:45:10.520
recently when you made some pretty controversial comments on Tim cast with James Younger.
00:45:17.080
Oh, I didn't think that was even controversial. Regarding surrogacy. Right. Where, uh,
00:45:21.640
if I remember correctly, you called surrogacy an abomination. It isn't about commercial
00:45:26.280
surrogacy. Commercial surrogacy. Is an entire abomination. But doesn't this dovetail with that
00:45:31.000
in a sense? Because aren't you commodifying womanhood? You're commodifying womanhood. You're
00:45:37.080
commodifying reproductive materials. Right. But I'm saying both. Yes. Right. With Dylan Mulvaney and with
00:45:43.000
this. Yes. You're, you're just commodifying being a woman into, which by the way, totally
00:45:48.680
goes against the whole we're ruled by the patriarchy argument because if to be a woman or to use, uh,
00:45:54.520
feminine, um, surrogacy options, then obviously women have more power or more empowered because
00:46:02.200
if it's the whole narrative in 2016, that like the handmaiden press, right. If you don't want to be
00:46:07.880
a woman, it sucks. You're going to get like, you know, raped on the college campus just if you step
00:46:12.840
outside, like UVA. Yeah. Yeah. The UVA rape case, they had to come up with a fake account. Yeah. And
00:46:19.560
this was like way after Camille Paglia, who I think is very pioneering and intelligent woman,
00:46:24.760
uh, fought to get rid of curfews for women on her college campus. And when she was talking to Jordan
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Peterson, this was some years ago, she said that they were looking for the freedom to take that risk,
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to take the risk. Maybe they would get raped, but they wanted the freedom to take their own risks.
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And now women are saying that they don't want the freedom to take the risks. They want to punish
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everybody when things get screwed up and they're saying that men are women. It's absolutely a
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cognitive dissonance situation. And not only are the, are the curfews coming back, but this
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segregation, segregation is coming back, but it's good segregation. These are good curfews.
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And there are some men that are allowed into the women's spaces so long as they put their hair in
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pigtails and just act cute and say they're lesbians. We're coming up on our final minute.
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Where can people go to follow you guys? Incredible work as always. Thank you so much for your time today.
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Let people know how to follow you. I am Natalie G. Winters on basically all the social media
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platforms. And of course, always tune into War Room to watch me co-host and executive edit.
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What does the G stand for? It's my middle name, Grace.
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I like that. Oh, that's fairly nice. Natalie Grace Winters. I can't take any credit for it,
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but I think it's a good name. That's so good. Thank you, Mom and Dad.
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You can find me at Libby Emmons on Twitter, and you can come check out all the great work we're
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doing every day at thepostmillennial.com and humanevents.com. All right,
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folks. So remember, just a great roundtable here. If you were here at CPAC, it's been a fantastic
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event. We've had amazing speakers, great connections. Make sure you stay tuned. Human
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Events Daily. We're going to be doing these every single Sunday, day in, day out. Follow these women.
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This is the future of journalism that you're seeing right before you. Ladies and gentlemen,
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as always, you have my permission to lay it short.