In this episode of The China Files, we discuss the history of the Chinese Communist Party, the rise and fall of the Mao Zedong regime, and the rise of the current Chinese leader, Xi Jinping. We also discuss the recent trip to Taiwan by John Meersheimer, and what it means for China's relations with Taiwan.
00:07:41.840The state of North Korea, as we all know, the 30th parallel gets and the DMZ get instituted because at that one point,
00:07:48.820MacArthur's got the Koreans, the North Koreans and the communists all the way up to the border, the Yellow River.
00:07:53.980And MacArthur, as famously is told, says, we need to go all the way to Beijing.
00:08:00.740We need to start nuking Beijing and Shanghai if they get involved.
00:08:04.080We need to take this fight to the heart of the communists.
00:08:08.420Truman says, no, publicly fires MacArthur after MacArthur publicly comes out against Truman, says it's a breach of the chain of command.
00:08:15.380And we all know the story, but the point is that Taiwan and the nationalists and the nationalist government are sitting there the whole time, fortified in the island, building it up.
00:08:27.080And at the time, during the Korean War, Truman sent aircraft carriers through the Taiwan Strait to make it very clear that if China got involved in Taiwan, then that it would trigger a wider war with the United States.
00:08:41.560And of course, the Red Army didn't have the resources to fight a two front war, not just against the Koreans, but against the United States and its allies.
00:08:50.960Keep in mind, they had just spent expended magnificent resources, incredible resources, fighting the nationalists.
00:08:57.500And they've got their army, but they're only one year ended and they're still fighting going on in different parts of the country.
00:09:04.100There's warlords that they're fighting.
00:09:05.900There's so much going on to the idea of them being able to to maintain two conflicts in essentially multiple theaters, two front war, both with with the United States.
00:09:17.160Again, one which would require a major C component to it.
00:09:23.800There was no way for them to take Korea and Taiwan at the same time.
00:09:28.520So the Korean War ends, armistice assigned at the DMZ.
00:09:34.960And for years, all the way up until the 1970s, the United States continues to recognize the Republic of China, the nationalist government of China, which is now currently situated on Taiwan, still there today, as the legitimate government of all of China.
00:09:53.800So think of this for 30, almost 30 years.
00:09:58.520The People's Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party controls all of mainland China.
00:10:03.340But the United States doesn't recognize them from the 50s to the 60s to the 70s, and then it's only with Jimmy Carter's administration.
00:10:16.120So Nixon, of course, and Kissinger go over there.
00:10:18.020They say, look, we can break up the communist bloc of countries on nationalist lines, and then we can start opening up to China, and we can maybe break them away from the Soviets.
00:10:32.440This idea of, if there's another great power and we get them on our side, we can use them as a bulwark against our greater foes, at that time the Soviet Union.
00:10:41.920But they never grant, the Nixon administration never grants China full recognition.
00:10:47.860That only comes later in 1978 with Jimmy Carter.
00:11:10.580The One China Policy means that Taiwan is part of China.
00:11:13.920Now, it's an interesting balance because, of course, if you go to Taiwan and the Republic of China, what will they say?
00:11:23.740They say Taiwan's part of China, and we're the legitimate government.
00:11:27.440If you go to Beijing, what will they say?
00:11:30.460Taiwan's part of China, and we're the legitimate government.
00:11:32.880So the U.S. position has always kind of been this interesting fence-striding position in the middle, and that's been the status quo for all this time.
00:11:41.480In fact, President Truman once famously said that if the United States and China should ever go to war, then Taiwan would essentially be an organic, floating, giant aircraft carrier right off the coast.
00:11:54.760However, what the People's Republic has said is that should Taiwan ever attempt independence, full independence, to declare themselves not a rogue province and a former government that was in charge of the entire country,
00:12:15.600should Taiwan, should Taiwan declare independence and try to start an entirely new country, rather than be the Republic of China, but call themselves the Republic of Taiwan, that that would trigger a full-on war launched by the PRC, launched by the Red Army.
00:12:35.580They have said, that's a red line for them.
00:12:39.020And so the status quo has stayed like this since 1978, the communique signed.
00:12:44.160Every administration since then has held to this status quo.
00:14:01.760Germany is still trying to hang on, but without cheap Russian gas, we'll see how well their products do on the open market.
00:14:06.740And so when it comes to the scenario, the goal has always kind of been, hey, keep things cool and we'll make a lot of money, but don't turn into one of these things because then we're not going to be able to support it.
00:14:22.480And of course, the United States and the leaders of the United States want to keep China as the junior partner in all of this.
00:14:30.460They don't want the People's Republic and they don't want the CCP gaining more power and challenging the United States as the top dog.
00:14:41.620But of course, as we've seen over the past year and really the past decade, a large diminishment of U.S. power in the world.
00:14:53.020We've seen, I mean, you have to say it what it is.
00:14:55.800The United States lost in Afghanistan, lost.
00:16:15.800The real answer is the only reason that he would invade Taiwan unilaterally without a direct provocation would be if there was a challenge to his leadership.
00:16:25.920Now, there has not been a challenge to his leadership.
00:16:27.680And a lot of people that focus on China, that focus on this whole thing, say, oh, Xi Jinping's done.
00:16:53.140And so the question becomes what kind of provocation, what kind of scenario would kick things off?
00:16:59.760So I just said before, and we've heard Taiwanese presidents in the past refer to this.
00:17:07.860Chen Shui-bian was one of the first in the in the late 90s, early 2000s, talking about an independence vote, a declaration of independence of Taiwan as a sovereign nation that's separate from every other nation.
00:17:20.280So and then applying for status at the UN, et cetera, et cetera.
00:17:29.940That's an absolute red line, and I guarantee you the elites at Davos, which is coming up later this year, are absolutely not going to say a word about Taiwan because they're totally owned by the CCP.
00:17:43.640And so when I was there last year, he would say it was Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, defend democracy, defend democracy, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine.
00:17:51.720I went up and down that street and you wouldn't see a single person flying a Taiwanese flag.
00:17:58.440A single person going up there and saying.
00:19:08.860Taiwan goes for independence or de facto independence.
00:19:11.620Or perhaps Taiwan joins into a regional military alliance.
00:19:17.860Let's say the United States tries to build a NATO of East Asia the same way that we saw the NATO of Europe push into Ukraine and that tripped the red line for Vladimir Putin.
00:19:32.200Let's say in Taiwan, a new military, regional military is brought up and suddenly this regional NATO.
00:21:49.800You'd see GPS go down all across the entire island.
00:21:53.000And then suddenly, the People's Liberation Army Navy, the PLAN, would announce a blockade of Taiwan in order to protect it, in order to stabilize the situation from Asian NATO or from an independence vote.
00:22:11.620And by the way, I don't need to imagine this, and you don't need to imagine this, because this happened last year.
00:22:18.260This happened in August of 2022, when the People's Liberation Army Navy, the Chinese Navy, announced live fire drills all around the island of Taiwan, which coincided with Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan, one of her sort of last hurrahs as Speaker of the House.
00:22:39.500They conducted a naval blockade and live fire drills all around the island.
00:22:45.500You don't think they were sending a message?
00:22:47.460Of course, they were sending a message.
00:22:50.040And that wasn't the first time they did it.
00:22:51.300They did that back in the 90s as well, when Taiwan was flirting with independence and Chen Shui-bian's movement.
00:23:00.460We will surround your island, and we will starve you.
00:23:04.300We will cut you off from the rest of the world, which China has already done to a large extent, financially and economically.
00:23:11.620You don't see anything made in Taiwan anymore, with the exception, by the way, with the one exception of semiconductors, but not your basic consumer-level products.
00:23:47.100Because they could blockade Taiwan, surround that entire island, all the people, without firing a single shot.
00:23:55.620And this would then send the entire world, and particularly the Biden administration, into chaos, because they would have no clue whatsoever how to deal with it.
00:24:08.800So in the next segment, when we come back, I'll walk through what I think is the most likely response from the Biden administration to this.
00:24:20.100So now we've got a blockade surrounding Taiwan.
00:24:23.960The Chinese Navy saying that anyone who attempts to cross the blockade, whether it be activists, whether it be drones, or whether it be military, will be fired upon.
00:25:09.440Because, of course, China has seen those invasions in the past, obviously from Japan and World War II, but then also the opium wars going back to the 1840s.
00:25:20.520The British Empire cracking Imperial Japan open like an egg and then demanding that military forces and colonization take place.
00:25:31.960This happened not long ago in the Chinese mind.
00:25:36.540And to them, this is a, and by the way, this is a similar argument that the Japanese Empire made.
00:25:43.360They said, you're imperialists, whereas Japan's, the Imperial Japan said, no, we're kicking out the Western imperialists.
00:25:50.960By the same token, the Chinese Communist Party is saying, no, we're kicking out Western influence.
00:25:58.300We want only Asian influence allowed on this side of the Pacific.
00:29:09.640Now, they're going to switch it over into high gear.
00:29:13.000They're going to flood our cities with fentanyl.
00:29:14.740Now, they're going to come for our children.
00:29:18.420Snapchat, TikTok, they will be contacting your children on TikTok, not the CCP themselves.
00:29:28.080But where do you think the fentanyl comes from?
00:29:29.780Where do you think the synthetic drugs, they think they're buying ecstasy, they think they're buying crystal meth, they think they're buying oxycodone, oxycontin, Adderall.
00:32:35.040We'll pull out everything with you unless you agree to the CCP's demand of entering into this one country, two systems agreement.
00:32:43.080So the one country, two systems agreement essentially stated that Hong Kong would retain its individual distinctiveness and its unique status as a city state.
00:33:00.000But it would cease being a sovereign nation and it would then be incorporated into the sovereignty of China, which meant that the Red Army, People's Liberation Army, the successors of the Red Army, would be able to set up garrisons in Hong Kong.
00:33:16.960One of the first things that they did.
00:33:18.000The Chinese Navy would patrol Hong Kong Harbor and that it would be considered Chinese territory.
00:33:27.540That is exactly what they would tell Taiwan to do.
00:33:31.280Almost sounds very similar to the demands that were made by Vladimir Putin over Ukraine at the start of the whole thing.
00:36:19.100President Biden is announcing to the country that the United States Navy is on its way to defend the new independence of the new island nation in the East China Sea, the Republic of Taiwan.
00:36:42.080And the Chinese Navy has stated that they are not going to allow this.
00:36:49.100You're essentially looking at the start of World War Three.
00:37:12.960China would certainly, Beijing would certainly pull the leash and yank the chain.
00:37:19.100On Kim Jong-un and say, if Japan gets involved, you need to start shooting those nukes off.
00:37:25.180You need to start getting those ballistics warmed up.
00:37:27.840Because instead of firing those missiles over Japan, we're going to need you to start sending them into Japan, into the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force.
00:37:36.380Japanese aircraft carriers, anything that they could bring to bear, they'd want North Korea to target.
00:37:41.300Then, of course, South Korea gets involved.