Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - SUNDAY SPECIAL： THE STATE OF NEW YORK VS. DONALD TRUMP

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's Sunday special here, Human Events Daily,

00:00:05.540 the state of New York versus Donald Trump.

00:00:09.360 We're doing something a little different today for the Sunday special because we've got for you

00:00:13.380 a fatal four-way. Raheem Kassam, Darren Beattie, Kash Patel, and Julie Kelly all joining us

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00:01:10.100 All right. We are joined now by Raheem Kassam, the editor-in-chief of the National Pulse,

00:01:17.520 as well as the writer of a popular substack who has just come from New York City,

00:01:24.300 where he stood and took part in the protest of the potential indictment of President Trump,

00:01:32.180 which, and we are recording this on Wednesday for everyone's edification. So as of right now,

00:01:37.020 the indictment seems to be delayed. But Raheem, I wanted to ask you about, you know,

00:01:42.920 your overall sense of why this is happening now, the timing, et cetera. But also,

00:01:46.660 I just got to ask you first, what was the energy like there in New York on the ground?

00:01:49.460 Yeah. Do you know what? I think the writer of a popular substack is, I mean, all substacks are

00:01:57.800 popular now. I'd want to be the writer of an unpopular substack from now on, if you don't mind

00:02:02.980 introducing me like that. I went to New York to gauge the mood on the ground. You know, this is 24 hours

00:02:14.040 after people are starting to get their real heads around the fact that the former president of the

00:02:20.260 United States, let alone the former, the 45th president of the United States, was, you know,

00:02:26.500 imminently going to be arrested. And of course, all of the immediate sort of rancor on the right was

00:02:35.000 sort of at ourselves, like, don't protest, don't go anywhere, don't do anything, just sit down and shut

00:02:41.240 up while the state continues to, to, well, I won't go further with that analogy, but, but do some

00:02:47.380 pretty bad stuff to you. Um, and I thought, well, Gavin and the New York young Republicans, Gavin

00:02:54.280 wax and New York young Republicans are putting something on. Let me go and see, see what it's

00:02:58.200 like. And look, did they have the hugest numbers? No, but everyone was vetted. Everything was safe.

00:03:05.160 Everything was secure. You knew who everybody in that crowd of about a hundred people were.

00:03:09.740 There were about 400 journalists, by the way, uh, that turned up. Uh, and the journalists were

00:03:14.840 very angry. They were very angry that, that they didn't think there were enough of the young

00:03:19.020 Republicans to stage an insurrection. I don't know what an insurrection in downtown Manhattan would

00:03:23.660 have looked like perhaps, you know, raiding, uh, one of the bank's headquarters or something,

00:03:28.500 but, um, no, they were very upset. So they, so they targeted them by saying, Oh, nobody showed up

00:03:34.080 for this protest, blah, blah, blah. Actually to turn a hundred people out, uh, on a Monday night,

00:03:39.000 um, at 6 PM in, in downtown Manhattan, right. Uh, in the court, courthouse area of Manhattan

00:03:45.980 was pretty good. It was pretty good. Uh, knowing that they'd all been vetted. So I think it was more,

00:03:51.520 more to show that, Hey, um, you know, a hundred people were started in Zuccotti Park in 2009 and they

00:03:59.360 learned and they grew and they learned and they grew. And I think if, if the left has taught the

00:04:03.760 right, anything, and that was folks who don't get the reference, that was the start of Occupy Wall

00:04:07.580 Street. Yes. Sorry. Um, um, and, and, and, you know, they, whether we like it or not, Occupy changed

00:04:14.540 the world. Um, and you know, I think you have to start small at certain points for, for lots of good

00:04:21.260 reasons, by the way, Ray Epps being one of them, but, um, it was, it was good to see just as a

00:04:28.480 conclusion. It was good to see, and it was good. It was good to, for people to know that there are

00:04:32.780 people out there doing that heavy lift of making sure that other people are safe for when they do

00:04:37.020 feel that direct action is needed. A hundred percent now. So, um, you know, peacefully and

00:04:43.400 patriotically. Right. And, uh, the, the, the sense of it though, we've got Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin

00:04:51.980 meeting in Moscow. This is, I mean, this is the inverse of Nixon's trip to China where

00:04:58.040 the, the, the alliance is being formed. Um, he's saying, this is the Xi Jinping set declared.

00:05:04.480 This is the change that we have not seen in 100 years. So the realignment is taking place around

00:05:10.680 the world. Meanwhile, we're completely chasing our tail. Why is this happening right now? Why go

00:05:15.300 after Trump now? Why indict him now? Um, what I perceive as a multitude of reasons. Um, but, but the,

00:05:26.620 you know, Kamala Harris likes to talk in Venn diagrams, so maybe we should talk in Venn diagrams. 0.98

00:05:31.580 Um, but they all hone in on this one thing, right? Which is that he doesn't seem to be getting less

00:05:39.140 popular. Right. Like everything. We keep telling you to stop listening to that music. Why won't you

00:05:46.400 turn it off? Right. Every time, everything, every month, every week, every story, every turn of the

00:05:53.600 screw, he doesn't seem to be getting less popular. The numbers are telling them time and time again,

00:05:59.960 it doesn't seem. So what do we do? Well, we have to do something. What if you're Ron DeSantis,

00:06:03.980 what do you do? You have to do something for whatever you've done so far. It does. He doesn't

00:06:08.180 seem to be getting less popular and, and doesn't seem to be losing that front runner status. And

00:06:12.720 actually in the last couple of weeks seems to have picked up numbers, um, in, in the primary

00:06:17.900 polling that, that we've been looking at. And I look across the board, you know, I look at the

00:06:21.740 very fake news polls because it's, it's important to know your enemy as much as it is to know your

00:06:26.480 friends. And I look at the polls that I think have, have better, um, waiting to them and better

00:06:31.420 methodologies like the Rasmussen data and so forth. Um, and he doesn't seem to be getting less

00:06:36.520 popular. And so I think all of this is converging on that frustration that they've got this huge

00:06:40.900 frustration right now that, okay, well, if, if, if we can't, if we cannot beat him, we're going to beat

00:06:46.400 him, right? Like if we cannot beat him fair and square, we are going to beat him unfair and unsquare.

00:06:51.980 Um, it's the same playbook by the way, it's just, it's just ratcheted up. It's dialed up. It feels

00:06:56.940 hotter being part of a primary process, right? Especially when you've now got a Republican

00:07:01.720 who's willing to sort of echo a lot of their talking points as well. So, um, this is the fight

00:07:07.260 by the way that Donald Trump wants. It's the fight. It's the type of fight Donald Trump thrives in.

00:07:12.520 Um, and I think you're only going to see him getting more popular, not less as a result of it.

00:07:17.360 Raheem, do you see something, you know, and I've been tweeting this and it's, it's going quite

00:07:22.440 viral, but you know, I want to see if, if you look at it this way as well, where this question of war,

00:07:28.640 this question of America's standing in the world, the fact that he is the only president in modern

00:07:33.120 history to not start a new war. The fact that he's the only president on the stage saying I will end

00:07:38.200 the Ukraine war in 24 hours. If you put me back in, uh, I will be this negotiator.

00:07:44.280 It seems like the system is responding to that and whether, whether or not it's specifically

00:07:50.200 about the Ukraine war or may have a broader point, a higher point that I am not the man

00:07:55.920 of the system. I am the man of, of the people. I am the man looking to reset the system as it were.

00:08:03.720 He's upsetting a lot of apple carts and some of those apple carts, many of which are of course,

00:08:08.360 as we've argued deeply in bed with China, um, Amazon, Apple, many of these companies,

00:08:14.360 they are de facto Chinese companies now, big pharma. They're all big de facto China because 0.89

00:08:18.200 they depend on China. They depend on this relationship. Now, of course, China has gone

00:08:23.140 completely off the, off the leash. And so they're, they're working with Russia. They're working 0.53

00:08:27.700 with the global South. They're carving up the world, one belt, one road. Why go after him now, 0.98

00:08:33.700 if at the same time we are trying to pivot against China, do you know what I'm trying to say? It's,

00:08:38.120 it's, it's very interesting that it's a very simple answer. It seems like there's an alignment,

00:08:41.680 but it also, it's also an opposition. The answer is very simple. Um, the answer is because he would

00:08:48.140 have been at that meeting. Like, yeah, you know, right. He'd be there. The major powers are carving

00:08:58.760 up, you know, geopolitically and geostrategically, uh, a functionally important area. If you know,

00:09:04.680 your, you know, world Island theory, um, and, and you think, you think Donald Trump is the president

00:09:10.480 of the United States, a wouldn't have muscled his way into that room and into the, and at that

00:09:15.500 negotiating table and be dragged Zelensky along with him and said, if I'm sitting through this

00:09:22.280 and we're going through this for you, then you're sitting here and conversing as well. And we are going

00:09:27.840 to figure out how to win this very quickly. That's, and that's what would have happened. And yes,

00:09:32.040 you would have, you, I don't know what piece exactly looks like, obviously, but I think we

00:09:36.180 all know sort of what it looks like, right? People are starting to realize that it looks like

00:09:39.640 some of the territory going some way and perhaps some international, um, you know, oversight of

00:09:44.760 some other things and borders and what have you. And you can get there very quickly if you want to.

00:09:48.960 The problem is as, as I wrote in the sub stack of last year, Boris Johnson was the one telling

00:09:53.180 them not to do it. The, uh, uh, the, the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month.

00:09:58.660 Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and Boris Johnson was the one, the one telling them not to do it,

00:10:03.740 not to pursue a path of peace. And of course, now you're seeing the state department and Kirby

00:10:07.280 and all of these guys saying the same thing. Um, it's amazing. It's amazing how we have moved

00:10:12.340 from, um, peace being the anathema and, and that's Trump, right? Like Trump represents that

00:10:18.040 philosophy. It's, it's, it's a dying philosophy politically peace, right? There's no money in peace.

00:10:23.460 No, nobody's paying you for it. But at the same time, it's amazing to me that we have a, I mean,

00:10:30.560 and, and this is why I, when I think about it, I just go back to the money, the millions of dollars

00:10:34.860 that we know was flowing from China to the Biden family. He's their guy. He's their guy. He's their

00:10:39.780 guy on the way. This is exactly what you would expect him to be doing while you're sitting there

00:10:44.240 holding the meeting to carve up the world. And let's be, let's be honest. Um, and I, I'm going to

00:10:49.460 ask Aaron BD about this as well, but it seems to me as though in terms of all of this, Russia is

00:10:54.020 going into this alliance, whatever you want to call it as the junior partner, because they've

00:10:58.340 been forced to, they've expended so much political capital, so much economic capital that, okay,

00:11:02.700 sure. You get your, you get your pieces of Ukraine and you get your access to the black sea and the

00:11:07.220 Mediterranean through Syria, um, et cetera, et cetera. But at the same time, your status on the

00:11:12.340 global stage is forever changed. Yeah. But at the same time, I don't think Russia really

00:11:16.740 particularly cares about that because they're the, they're a junior partner to a global power

00:11:21.340 in the ascendancy as a result of that power's, um, exploitation of, you know, America, uh, of, 1.00

00:11:29.040 of American jobs, of favored trade status, of American politics, of, you know, American idiots, 0.99

00:11:35.420 you know, as Green Day once called them, who, who will just nod along with the party line, 0.99

00:11:40.300 except the party line now comes from the, you know, the Green Day side. Um, and, and that was what

00:11:45.620 was funny about being in New York as well, watching all of this take place and being a part of history

00:11:50.400 in that sense was that once upon a time, it was the, it was the rock and roll people. And it was

00:11:55.100 the punk rockers who were standing in the squares, protesting the corporate state nexus. And now it's

00:12:00.140 Gavin wax and the young Republicans. You know, it's amazing to think about that, that how much shift

00:12:05.500 is taken. And then it's also too, by the way, to look at Russia, if Russia returns to the world 0.91

00:12:11.480 system on China's terms, then that's it. They've run the entire table then, haven't they?

00:12:17.620 Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That is, that is the answer.

00:12:21.580 So they've run the table. So we're, we're, we are the global serfs. They are the leaders. We will

00:12:26.280 bow to our Chinese masters and everyone needs to start learning Mandarin. You should always be very 1.00

00:12:31.260 suspicious of people who learn Mandarin. Raheem Kassam, where can people call you? 0.94

00:12:34.560 Raheem Kassam on all social media, the sub stack, raheemkassam.com. And of course,

00:12:41.040 thenationalpulse.com. Appreciate it. Everyone go follow. Thanks, Jack.

00:12:47.760 All right. We are excited to welcome back here, Darren Beattie of Revolver News. Now,

00:12:52.860 as a reminder to everyone, we are recording this on Wednesday. It is playing on Sunday. So if any

00:12:59.120 indictment does happen or has happened, we're told it's delayed, but as of right now, it has yet

00:13:04.280 to happen. Darren, I got to ask you, and I was talking to Raheem about this, the timing of this

00:13:08.940 is so interesting to me because we have these, these massive Silicon Valley, Valley bank failures.

00:13:15.580 The fed comes in, backstops, the entire thing, almost nationalizes the, the banking system in

00:13:22.600 a sense that happens last week. Then the Xi and Putin meeting takes place in Moscow. And suddenly like

00:13:30.780 whiplash, we're being told that president Trump is about to be indicted. Why is all of this happening

00:13:36.080 so quickly? Yeah, that's a great question. Certainly a lot of interesting things converging

00:13:42.620 at once. Um, I don't know how deliberate the timing is, but of course it's significant in the

00:13:49.500 sense that we only have the capacity to think about and talk about so much at any one time. And

00:13:56.060 some kind of manufactured, uh, ridiculous scandal, extremely contrived in terms of what the charges

00:14:04.940 are, like, you know, paying, paying money, you know, from his own pocket. And there's some

00:14:11.840 charges about, okay, this is campaign finance issue. None of it seems to stick or make any sort

00:14:17.180 of sense, but the idea that that should monopolize national attention, uh, when these other things are

00:14:23.620 happening, we're having increasing involvement of the government into the banking sector. We're

00:14:28.660 having extremely critical geopolitical realignment taking place right before our eyes. But then in

00:14:36.580 another sense, it's not as insignificant as it seems because really the indictment of Trump

00:14:44.820 does represent a kind of culmination of one of the most important and dangerous trends that we've had

00:14:51.540 in our politics, which is the political weaponization of our bureaucracies from the FBI to the CIA,

00:15:00.340 to the DHS, all the way to the Department of Justice. And so in a weird way, this seems to be

00:15:06.660 a natural and inevitable culmination of these absolutely poisonous trends in our country.

00:15:15.060 Well, you know, it's interesting because, um,

00:15:17.780 my wife coming from the Soviet Union actually had a, a point that she said to me the other day,

00:15:22.980 where she said, um, you know, from the day they

00:15:27.780 raided Mar-a-Lago, you knew this was coming because this is how it always starts. And it

00:15:33.860 doesn't matter what the charge is. It never does. It's first they raid the guy's house. Then they say

00:15:39.380 there's some corruption. Then they say they found something. Then they say there's a crime. Then there's

00:15:43.460 a trial and then you never hear from him again. It says, and she said, look, this is the same playbook

00:15:48.500 that I've seen happen a million times back home. I just never thought I'd see it happen here.

00:15:53.460 Right now. It's a great point. And to, you know, the credit of the regime,

00:15:57.540 there is a tremendous vigor and persistence when it comes to punishing anyone who dares to challenge them,

00:16:05.700 criticize them, mock them, expose them, subvert them. And nobody has done this to a more, uh, effective

00:16:15.620 degree than Trump who started and still leads the most powerful movement challenging the existing

00:16:25.620 power structure in the regime. And so if you look at what, you know, the end game was with Assange,

00:16:32.020 it's clear that that is the goal and has to be the goal from the regime standpoint.

00:16:36.260 They simply can't allow someone like Donald Trump to continue to exist as a political figure,

00:16:44.500 as a viable political figure, and they will throw everything they have to take him off the chessboard

00:16:50.980 and to silence, suppress, and neutralize the energies associated with the historic America

00:16:56.900 first movement that he began and still leads. So what's interesting is how, how do you view it then

00:17:04.820 in, in the realignment of world politics? Because, and I said something on the show earlier this week,

00:17:11.860 where I said the minute that the United States targeted Assad, right? So 2013, 2014, but was not

00:17:19.460 able to unseat him. And, and, and obviously he's still in power today in Damascus that that may have

00:17:27.380 marked the culmination or the tail end of American power, because this was the first time, at least 0.94

00:17:33.300 on the world stage that the, the globalist American empire was not able to fulfill one of its stated goals.

00:17:41.940 And ever since then, what we've seen is a recoiling of American power to which the America first movement

00:17:50.100 seems to almost be a response to because, uh, Trump and, and many others are looking at the

00:17:55.700 situation saying, why do we need this global empire? Why don't we just be dominant in our region,

00:18:01.300 maintain our, uh, our manufacturing base, restore our country and forget about being the world police.

00:18:07.620 Well, that's an excellent point. And it really hearkens back to the beginnings of the Trump

00:18:13.860 movement when the whole Syria issue was a very live hot button question and our geopolitics. And

00:18:20.500 of course, Hillary Clinton was front and center in the whole, in the whole affair, Hillary Clinton, who,

00:18:26.660 uh, you know, essentially I wouldn't say murdered, but she's, she's certainly a major figure in the death of,

00:18:34.580 um, um, Gaddafi. The question is, you know, why didn't Assad get the Gaddafi treatment? Does that 0.73

00:18:41.700 represent some kind of weakness? It certainly represents the defeat of, you know, the Hillary

00:18:47.620 Clinton faction of the security apparatus. But then on the other hand, you could say they're

00:18:54.340 largely getting their way when it comes to Ukraine and how important was, you know, Syria was important 0.97

00:19:00.980 because it was the intersection of a lot of things. There was the proxy war basically between Saudis,

00:19:08.580 um, and Iranians, uh, which is now there's basically a peace deal brokered by China of all countries

00:19:17.620 between the Saudis and Iranians. But back then Syria was very much part of that proxy war. And also of the

00:19:25.060 kind of proxy conflict, uh, with Russia, um, uh, the U S and Russia. And so now Syria has kind of died

00:19:33.780 down as a hotbed of the proxy war and the locust has moved very dramatically to Ukraine. And so you

00:19:41.940 have a lot of the people who maybe didn't get their way in Syria, kind of getting their way in the Ukraine.

00:19:47.300 But, um, I do think that just symbolically Assad is a, is an interesting figure in that he's kind of

00:19:57.060 stood up to challenge the globalist American empire and kind of live to tell the tale and almost to the

00:20:05.060 point where there's this meme now of the Assad curse is that, you know, anybody who makes it a point to go after

00:20:11.860 Assad, you know, gets the boomerang blowback effect and something bad happens to them. Um,

00:20:17.460 Assad must go, who must go. Exactly. I believe, I believe Boris Johnson, uh, Theresa May, Liz Truss,

00:20:25.460 Jacinda Ardern, the list goes on. Right. No, it's a remarkable thing he's doing. He does well for, uh,

00:20:32.260 an ophthalmologist or whatever his formal training is. But I think at this point, you know, the, the,

00:20:38.980 the fundamental, uh, loci of sort of, uh, geopolitical concern moved. It's obviously,

00:20:48.340 you know, Ukraine is one of them now. It's a question whether that's actually a priority,

00:20:53.140 but it's certainly a priority from the standpoint of, you know, the regime, certain factions in the

00:20:58.900 regime. And then obviously let me, let me, because we only a couple of minutes left, let me ask you

00:21:04.820 though. And you've teased this out before. Uh, I think you were the first one to really presage it,

00:21:10.260 that with the destruction of Nord Stream one and two, that, uh, the disconnection of Russia from

00:21:18.900 Europe, the fact that they've now been driven into the arms of China, not necessarily by choice, 0.93

00:21:25.460 but by matter of necessity, does it then follow that with this meeting, uh, Russia is not necessarily

00:21:32.420 coming out of this as the senior partner or even a, a peer partner, uh, in this, this is not a joint

00:21:38.660 partnership. They are the junior partner to China because they are forced to be. Absolutely. And,

00:21:44.500 you know, to be fair, just, you know, it's, it is interesting how well Russia is able to punch above 0.87

00:21:51.540 its weight geopolitically. I would say that's largely attributable to the skill, Putin's, uh,

00:21:58.420 skill and leadership, at least until the Ukraine issue, which in my view was a profound blunder on

00:22:05.300 Putin's part, but at least until then, Putin was extremely good at kind of making us forget how

00:22:11.620 insignificant Russia's economy is. I mean, people, you know, who aren't really schooled in, you know,

00:22:18.100 geopolitics, it's, you can think that Russia and China are kind of countries that should be at parity to

00:22:26.100 some degree when really economically speaking, they're not even in the same league, far from it.

00:22:32.820 Which, which Putin himself admitted at the meeting. He actually admitted, we are, we are envious of your

00:22:39.060 growth. Right. And so for that reason, Russia always, despite itself, maybe it would be tough

00:22:45.380 for them to acknowledge because of their stature, you know, in the Cold War with the Soviet Union,

00:22:50.660 but they're always going to be some kind of junior partner. But the self-inflicted wound of the Ukraine

00:22:57.860 operation and the sort of global cancel, cancellation of Russia, if you will, really put them in a far

00:23:05.300 weaker position than even they could have anticipated. And so now China really holds all the cards far more

00:23:12.820 leverage than it would have had otherwise. And so this really, that's their only option. It's Russia's 0.90

00:23:19.460 only option. And so China, of course, benefits from this the most, relatively speaking.

00:23:26.820 Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll get them back next time, I guess. It seems to be the way. And of course, Xi Jinping

00:23:32.260 is going to, is heading to Moscow. He's giving him face. They hold the meeting there rather than Beijing,

00:23:37.940 because it doesn't matter for him. He's gotten everything that he wants. He's getting all the access to Russia,

00:23:42.660 they're going to get that fuel from Siberia. The pipelines are going to be coming down.

00:23:47.300 The fuel is going to be flowing across Lake Baikal and all of those Eastern, those, those far Eastern 1.00

00:23:52.580 Siberian pipelines that are going to be built direct and what's directly south of, of Siberia. Oh, right.

00:23:59.060 Beijing. It's immediately there. So they're going to be getting the fuel from, from Russia. And I,

00:24:04.820 I look at it from that perspective and I say, what would it take then to even break this up at this point?

00:24:09.940 Because Europe doesn't seem like they're open in even the slightest to a reopening of Nord Stream,

00:24:17.940 to a reconnection of economies. I mean, if any American, if Trump becomes president again,

00:24:22.980 or anyone is looking to isolate or break up Russia and China, they're going to have a huge,

00:24:27.860 huge way to go from here to there. Yes. I think further cooperation between Russia and China is

00:24:36.420 pretty much inevitable. There are some natural tensions that have always existed between the two. But

00:24:43.860 now with Russia severely weakened without really any bargaining power to speak of,

00:24:50.260 they will simply have to accept their fate as a very, very junior partner under the Chinese umbrella. And

00:24:59.700 that's basically the geopolitical future that we wrote for them. You know, it didn't have to be that

00:25:07.620 way, but it, it's hard to imagine how that could fundamentally change at this point.

00:25:13.700 That's exactly right. Darren Beattie, where can people follow you? What are your coordinates?

00:25:17.140 At Darren JB, at Twitter and revolver.news, revolver.news. We've got the latest on the

00:25:25.060 Trump indictment and the meme trial of the Doug Mackey, young guy facing 10 years in prison for

00:25:33.860 mocking Hillary Clinton into memes. So we've got it all very latest revolver.news.

00:25:38.740 Now, make sure you're following that, everyone. If they can get,

00:25:41.140 they can set the precedent that memes are criminal, then guess what? They're going to come after all of

00:25:45.220 us. Thanks again, Darren. Thank you. All right. We are very excited to welcome

00:25:52.660 to Human Events Daily here on our Sunday special, Kash Patel. Now folks, I want to remind everybody

00:25:57.380 that we are pre-taping this. We usually do pre-tape our Sunday specials, but of course,

00:26:01.300 because we're in the fog of war when it comes to all this, just for your edification, for your,

00:26:06.580 for as a programming note, we are recording this on Thursday of this week. So if anything changes,

00:26:12.100 we're not going to be able to comment on that. But as of today, we just heard the DA Alvin Bragg

00:26:18.660 has canceled the grand jury for the rest of the week. As we said before, it doesn't sound like he

00:26:24.580 has the goods. Kash, you are a former federal prosecutor. You've been involved in grand juries

00:26:30.340 before. Is this normal? Is this how grand juries normally operate? What's going on?

00:26:36.100 Hey, Jack, it's great to be with you. Thanks for having me on the show. Look, you know,

00:26:40.180 what in my time as a national security prosecutor, and I think more relevant here is my time as a

00:26:44.180 federal public defender, being on the defense of these matters. Grand jury stuff is supposed to be

00:26:49.620 pretty silent. Of course, we're beyond those, those days. Now things leak when it's convenient

00:26:54.340 to the radical left, but let's look at it procedurally. Grand juries are about 20 to 30

00:26:59.700 people from your community who are on the call basically for six to eight months at a time.

00:27:05.460 And they are told ahead of time to change their life schedules to come in because you as the

00:27:10.500 prosecutor wants to present them evidence to say, hey, I've got stuff you need to hear and see and

00:27:17.220 listen to. And you then need to make a decision making process. Remember, everybody keeps saying

00:27:22.500 Alvin Bragg isn't going to charge Donald Trump. It's not Alvin Bragg's decision. He and his prosecutors

00:27:29.380 make the presentation of the evidence and they call in these grand jurors. But what's rare

00:27:34.420 is when you have a grand jury called in because you're pulling in people from all over New York

00:27:38.340 City, telling them don't go to work, stop that child daycare and all your other family matters

00:27:44.420 and commitments and come in here and decide whether or not we have enough evidence to charge. And all

00:27:49.940 they need is 51 to 49. If you look at it on a scale, it's not a trial with guilt beyond a reasonable

00:27:56.660 doubt. It's maybe did it happen. So for Alvin Bragg to now say all of a sudden he not just

00:28:02.980 canceled one day, but the entire week of grand jury testimony means from a prosecutorial standpoint,

00:28:10.500 he's got a lot of problems with the evidence he wanted to present and didn't. And from a defense

00:28:16.340 standpoint, we now know that he suppressed evidence from this grand jury thanks to Costello's testimony

00:28:22.260 and the letter from Michael Cohen's former attorney over at Wilmer or whatever the law firm is.

00:28:29.380 So when you're looking at in terms of the procedure, right, let's say the indictment comes

00:28:36.660 down. I mean, how does it work from there? Does President Trump have to go to New York?

00:28:42.980 Can he turn himself, does he have to turn himself in there? Can he go to Florida? Is there some

00:28:47.780 extradition? People are asking, would Governor DeSantis be involved? Does he have to be handcuffed?

00:28:52.820 Who makes all those decisions?

00:28:54.900 Yeah, let's take those in reverse. So in terms of extradition, because it's state court charge,

00:28:59.060 it's good to remind people that we're not dealing with federal court here. We're dealing with New 0.99

00:29:02.980 York City state level courts. If Donald Trump challenged the extradition, then Florida Governor

00:29:08.820 Ron DeSantis would have to get in since Donald Trump is a resident of the state of Florida. But from what

00:29:13.620 my understanding is, Donald Trump was not planning on ever challenging this-

00:29:17.940 I've heard that as well, by the way.

00:29:19.060 ...standpoint. So we skip that. And then we get to Alvin, it's up to Alvin Bragg. Look,

00:29:24.420 how many prosecutions and defense matters were handled over the last three years via Zoom because of

00:29:30.100 COVID? And then that practice continued. So they could conceivably, and it would be smart from a

00:29:36.580 security posture standpoint, if Donald Trump's indicted, why would you want a wild scenario to unfold

00:29:43.380 where people might get hurt? I know why politically, those against Donald Trump would want that to

00:29:48.020 happen, so they can say he's up to another sort of insurrection of the sorts. But Alvin Bragg can

00:29:52.980 avoid all that. And he probably will choose not to do it if he indicts it, because he wants to almost

00:29:59.620 what we call perp walk, the handcuffs on Donald Trump down Broadway. He wants the Hollywoodization

00:30:05.940 of it like the left always does. And you're the political genius on this stuff. I don't know if that's

00:30:12.340 helpful or hurtful. I think Donald Trump would probably find a way to make that beneficial to

00:30:18.340 his standpoint, like he has. But he's put the justice system on defense. From my perspective,

00:30:23.380 that's almost impossible to do. You're talking about a guy who was 100% going to be indicted,

00:30:29.060 and now people that dislike Donald Trump are saying publicly what prosecutorial overreach Alvin

00:30:34.900 Bragg is doing here. And then you're talking about members in Congress who not necessarily like Donald Trump,

00:30:39.940 who are saying we can't have this weaponization at the state level either. It's a shocking turn of

00:30:45.300 events. How do you feel about... So that's the New York case. How do you feel about some of these

00:30:51.540 other cases that are out there? Because let's say the New York case doesn't stick the landing, which

00:30:56.340 as we record this, it seems like that's where we are. That being said, I mean, they could vote on

00:31:00.740 Monday, it could come out, he'd be indicted, et cetera. But if this... Let's just hypothetical,

00:31:06.260 right? And they always say, you know, don't ask a hypothetical in court. Let's say this one doesn't

00:31:10.580 come in, can't stick the landing. Does that affect the decision to prosecute down in Georgia? Does it

00:31:17.380 affect the decision of Merrick Garland, essentially? Because he has that grand jury up in... Actually,

00:31:22.580 as far as I know, there's actually two grand juries in Washington, D.C. There's one in classified

00:31:26.980 documents. There's another on January 6th. But ultimately, I think we know that Merrick Garland is

00:31:32.660 kind of pulling the strings here. Does it affect his decision-making process, do you think, if this

00:31:39.300 one completely falls apart, as it seems to have been doing this entire week?

00:31:43.380 David Morgan From an evidentiary standpoint, since they're

00:31:46.580 unrelated, no. But we've gone are the days where prosecutors in Merrick Garland's DOJ and Chris Ray's

00:31:52.420 FBI just bring cases based on facts and law. They have completely weaponized it. So I do think,

00:31:58.420 politically, it does come into their calculations. And let's remember, the New York State Attorney

00:32:04.180 General refused to prosecute Donald Trump on the Alvin Bragg case. The DOJ refused to prosecute

00:32:10.980 Donald Trump on the Alvin Bragg case. So it has some windfall, waterfall effects as it cascades down

00:32:16.500 the line. Now, Georgia's a completely different set of facts. And whether or not the prosecutor down

00:32:21.940 there is willing to bring the case, he's probably looking at New York and saying,

00:32:25.780 well, they had a slam dunk. And now they're gone the one yard line instead of at the other end of

00:32:31.220 the field, instead of in the end zone. And it looks like they might not bring that case at all. So

00:32:36.020 there may be that political calculation. But I think the facts and evidence are entirely different

00:32:40.260 down in Georgia. And they're still going to try to get Trump. And if they can't get Trump,

00:32:45.380 they're going to try to get someone in close to Trump's universe. And that's what I've always

00:32:49.300 suspected the Georgia matter was about. They'll try to get into Trump's inner circle with charges

00:32:53.940 related to that, and not necessarily Donald Trump.

00:32:56.260 Josh, why go through this all now? Because at the end of the day, you asked me what I thought

00:33:04.980 about the calculation of it. I think Trump as a bad boy, it's priced into his image. It's part of

00:33:11.380 his marketing, in a sense, where we remember Trump from the 80s and 90s, hanging out ringside with Mike

00:33:18.980 Tyson, building skyscrapers in mob controlled neighborhoods, right? That's always been part

00:33:25.700 of his persona. So for the machinations of the system to be completely against him,

00:33:33.060 well, guess what? That's always been what he said all along. It makes it look like everything

00:33:38.580 that he said about the deep state, it was 100% true. And so it's going to go over to those moderates,

00:33:44.900 people who may not normally, as you say, may not normally be big Donald Trump fans,

00:33:49.380 and to say, you know what, maybe that was the truth. Because look, even Chris Rock pointed

00:33:53.460 this out. You put one of these guys, put 50 Cent in jail, he comes out, he does what, five platinum

00:33:57.620 records, right? For a lot of these guys, it's very helpful for them. I remember, well, Steve won't like

00:34:06.020 me talk about this, but when Steve was on trial in Washington DC, War Room went to the number one

00:34:13.060 podcast in America, with a certain extremely handsome and very intellectual guest host running

00:34:19.860 the entire thing. But it wasn't really because of that, it was because he was on trial. It's because

00:34:25.140 everyone wanted to know what was going on. And we did cover it, by the way, we live with it every day.

00:34:29.300 And so I think the calculation on their part is actually backwards, because I think it's going

00:34:34.900 to completely backfire and they have to be realizing this. I think you're right. And I

00:34:40.580 think they initially thought, nope, we are going to be the ones that get Donald Trump. Remember,

00:34:46.500 it started with Russiagate and Adam Schiff, and then Eric Swalwell, and then everybody else after it,

00:34:51.780 Ukraine impeachment one and two, Fiona Hill, Vindman, Charmella, those were hoaxes. January 6th,

00:34:57.780 everything in between COVID origins, Fauci, everybody was going to get Trump. And Alvin

00:35:02.740 Bragg stepped up to the plate and said, nope, I'm going to be the guy that gets Trump. I'm

00:35:06.900 going to make up basically facts and charges along the way to do so. And we've called him out on it

00:35:13.060 and hide evidence of innocence from the grand jury. And I can tell you from a grand jury perspective,

00:35:17.940 if I was one of the 30 people sitting on that grand jury, and I found out now that the prosecutor

00:35:22.900 hid the evidence that Costello shows that contradicts Michael Cohen's testimony, I'd be

00:35:28.100 pretty ticked off. So, you know, we've seen, unfortunately, the two tier system of justice

00:35:33.780 unfold at the federal, state and local levels now across America. And what I've told the president

00:35:39.620 repeatedly is, you know, if we put aside the politics of it, we have an opportunity here to

00:35:43.940 educate everybody who thought we were the conspiracy guys, saying when Steve Bannon was prosecuted,

00:35:48.740 when you were investigated during Russiagate or the classified docs case, saying it was a

00:35:52.980 two tier system of justice. We have a chance to show everybody we were right then, we're right now.

00:35:58.180 Cash, I got to ask you, you know, final question. What's it like to have been behind the number one

00:36:05.860 single in America, not just on Apple iTunes, but on Billboard number one? I'm looking at this now.

00:36:12.900 How did that happen? You know, we're blessed to be in a free speech area with Truth Social

00:36:21.220 and Rumble and have such wonderful Americans like yourself pounding so hard on the Jan 6

00:36:29.220 mission because so many people have been mistreated. And we sort of galvanized all that and said,

00:36:34.180 how do we help them? Created this song, spent no money, recorded the January 6 prisoners themselves

00:36:40.100 singing the national anthem. And then Donald Trump lent his voice with the Pledge of Allegiance.

00:36:44.660 We combined it, added music, and we said, hey, let's raise money for the families. Let's put it out

00:36:49.220 there. We don't need the big industry labels. We just need free speech platforms. And it's the third

00:36:55.700 number one song release on Truth Social. John Rich had two of them before that. And now we have this one.

00:37:01.780 And, you know, I think the music industry is imploding. And I'm just happy we were able to knock off

00:37:07.540 Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus from their number one statuses. But I'm more happy that we were able

00:37:12.900 to raise awareness and talk about due process for January 6 defendants, so many of whom have just

00:37:18.820 been crushed by the weaponization of the DOJ. And we're going to be in a position to financially help

00:37:24.500 a lot of them, which is just great. So j6prisonchoir.com, keep it number one. The fact that we're number

00:37:30.420 one on Billboard, I'm telling you, as you know, the music industry in Hollywood is having a nuclear meltdown.

00:37:36.180 Amen. Cash Patel, thank you so much for joining us. Where should people go to follow you to get all

00:37:40.100 the latest? Thanks so much. I'm on Truth Social, at Cash, at KSH. And fightwithcash.com has everything

00:37:45.940 about me. Fightwithcashwithak.com. And grab my new book, Government Gangsters. The information is

00:37:51.300 at governmentgangsters.com. It's on pre-sale now. All right, Cash Patel, thanks so much, man. Thank you.

00:38:00.180 All right, folks, we are back. Today is Thursday. We're still on pre-record,

00:38:04.100 so we don't know yet if the indictments are handed. It doesn't look like they'll be handed down by

00:38:07.780 Sunday. But I'm just throwing it out there to make sure that you guys understand as a

00:38:11.860 programming note. We're very excited to welcome, though, to the program here at Human Events Daily,

00:38:16.020 Miss Julie Kelly, the great Julie Kelly. Julie, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:38:20.580 Hey, Jack. Thanks so much for having me.

00:38:23.300 So we've been talking predominantly about these cases or potential cases against President Trump.

00:38:31.940 You are, I would say, the foremost expert, though, on the January 6th cases. And I've also,

00:38:38.340 of course, this week, been talking about the case against Douglas Mackey. It was this pro-Trump

00:38:43.060 meme guy in 2016. There's a meme trial against him going on. Can you walk us through

00:38:49.140 why is it that this is going on right now? And what are some of the latest things that

00:38:54.660 you've even been seeing, these new tactics and just so underhanded behavior from the DOJ and FBI this week?

00:39:04.900 So the trial that I've been covering really the past few months, Jack, is the seditious conspiracy

00:39:11.140 trial of five members of the Proud Boys. This includes Enrique Terrio, who is the group's leader.

00:39:18.980 So they were charged with seditious conspiracy. Four of the men have been held under pre-trial

00:39:25.060 detention orders, meaning denied bail for two years as the court proceedings dragged on. Finally,

00:39:32.820 the trial started in January. What the trial has revealed, even though the government and Judge Tim

00:39:40.340 Kelly have tried desperately to keep all of this information under wraps, is the presence of at least

00:39:46.660 10 to 15 FBI informants embedded in the Proud Boys months before January 6. But the real bombshell that

00:39:57.300 came out this week is that the prosecutors at the last moment notified the defense. The government

00:40:05.780 wrapped up their case in chief on Monday after nine weeks. It's now the defense attorney's turn.

00:40:12.020 The government notified the defense attorneys on Wednesday afternoon that one of their defense

00:40:17.700 witnesses, who was going to take the stand on Thursday, actually also has been an FBI informant

00:40:24.580 for almost the entirety of the investigation from April of 2021, shortly after the first charges were

00:40:32.580 filed, until January 2023 when the trial began. What really was explosive, Jack,

00:40:40.260 that came out in one of the defense motions, is that this informant was communicating with defense

00:40:46.100 attorneys, with defendants and their families, apparently even was involved in a prayer group

00:40:52.900 with some of the defendants and their families because a lot of the J6 defendants had organized

00:40:57.860 these prayer groups. So I want to be clear, I want to be clear for everybody out there that during these

00:41:03.540 these interactions and all of this time, this informant, it was not known to any of these

00:41:09.540 people. It was unbeknownst to them. They were unwitting to have an informant in their midst.

00:41:14.500 They actually ran an informant in the defense family, in their groups. Obviously, it sounds like

00:41:21.940 breaking attorney-client privilege, all sorts of legal issues with this. How can we have a government

00:41:28.660 that just acts this way? Because the judges allow it. Jack, the real villains here are the federal

00:41:36.020 judges, including Judge Tim Kelly, who was appointed to the bench by Donald Trump. It does not matter if

00:41:42.180 these judges are appointed by a Republican or a Democratic president. They are acting as nothing more

00:41:48.260 than a rubber stamp for this reckless, vengeful Department of Justice political persecution

00:41:54.260 against Trump supporters. Now, a guy like Judge Tim Kelly actually is one of the worst because he's

00:42:01.540 invested in the guilt of the defendants that he has kept behind bars, away from their families,

00:42:08.580 away from even their defense attorneys, deprived them of due process, freedom, etc. So he's invested

00:42:16.180 in their conviction because he's denied their bail numerous times. None of these men have a criminal

00:42:21.780 record. None of them are charged even with a violent crime. They didn't attack police officers or attack

00:42:28.820 lawmakers. So he's going to do whatever he can to prove that his decision to deny these men their

00:42:36.020 fundamental rights was the right one. So the judges here are really the bad guys. But of course,

00:42:41.700 though, are the prosecutors, because they also are held unaccountable. You know this, Jack,

00:42:47.380 when they got away with everything they did in Russiagate. That was more a green light. This is

00:42:53.780 now accelerated into the criminal manhunt crusade prosecution of thousands of Trump supporters.

00:43:01.860 And there just still is really deafening silence out of the Republican Party. Even as we know,

00:43:07.700 the total caseload is going to double as the Department of Justice, Matthew Graves,

00:43:13.460 who is the D.C. U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, the office handling every case,

00:43:18.100 has warned the courts and the Public Defender's Office to expect up to 1,200 more cases related to

00:43:25.060 January 6. And is it true that the new rubric that I know that some people have said that the new rubric

00:43:32.660 is even if you were if you were on the grass, that if you didn't even go into the the building,

00:43:38.180 didn't climb the steps. But if you were on the grass, that technically the grass is which which,

00:43:43.940 by the way, you know, I'm in Washington, D.C. all the time. I've I've sat on that lawn for the July

00:43:48.820 4th concert that, you know, that they hold with when we brought Tanya down and we go watch the July

00:43:53.860 4th. Last time I checked, that was a public lawn. So that is that the new rubric?

00:43:59.220 No, it has been. It has been since day one. In fact, the first person I reported on as a political

00:44:06.420 prisoner was Cui Griffin. He is the Cowboys for Trump leader. He was arrested and charged and

00:44:12.660 denied bail. And he was on Capitol grounds. He never even went inside the building. Yet he faced

00:44:20.580 misdemeanor charges that nonetheless resulted in his pretrial detention incarceration for several days

00:44:27.620 before he was released. He never even went inside the building. Multiple defendants never went inside

00:44:33.300 the building because at the last moment, even though there were permits and we have more of it is more

00:44:39.540 evidence of that that just came out last week by a long report by the D.C. Metro Police anticipating

00:44:46.900 where these rallies and protests were going to take place. People had permits to go to Capitol grounds

00:44:53.220 and hold their rallies or their protests. But Nancy Pelosi decided at the last minute to restrict the 1.00

00:44:59.620 entire Capitol campus. So you do have these trespassing charges against people, except, of course,

00:45:06.500 riots if you were in the so-called restricted area outside the building at any point on January 6th. So

00:45:13.780 I believe that this new wave of arrests will mostly scoop up more misdemeanor offenders, I guess if that's the

00:45:23.060 right word, perhaps adding the most common felony count, which is obstruction of an official proceeding,

00:45:29.060 or another common felony, which is civil disorder. But look, you've got already eight or nine people arrested

00:45:35.460 this month alone, 26 plus months later, and there is absolutely no end in sight.

00:45:41.220 Why is it that you think they are doing all this? There's obviously so much going on. There's so

00:45:50.420 much crime in Washington, D.C. on a regular basis. Why has this taken the forefront of our entire

00:45:57.060 Justice Department's docket? Why are they putting so many resources behind this?

00:46:02.260 A couple of reasons, Jack. One is, I believe, successfully silencing and criminalizing political

00:46:09.940 dissent. You saw the outcry last week when Donald Trump posted on True Social, encouraging people

00:46:16.420 to protest if indeed he was indicted. Suddenly, the entire national news media, Democratic lawmakers

00:46:24.420 said, oh, my God, he's trying to foment another insurrection. Then you had people on our side,

00:46:29.540 I think very smartly, warning people not to organize and protest because of what this Department of

00:46:36.580 Justice and FBI are doing to criminalize political dissent. So that's one. Number two is to build a

00:46:43.620 public and legal case to justify a criminal indictment against Donald Trump, either for obstruction,

00:46:50.420 conspiracy, or if these Proud Boys are convicted of seditious conspiracy, which of course they probably

00:46:56.820 will be by a D.C. jury that will give a legal basis to charge Donald Trump with the same count. Because

00:47:06.420 as you know, Jack, in the October 2020 presidential debate, forced when he was forced by Chris Wallace

00:47:13.540 and Joe Biden to condemn the Proud Boys, he said, stand back and stand by. That has been used by the

00:47:19.460 government as evidence in this trial that the Proud Boys were taking their cues from Donald Trump. So

00:47:26.180 I think those are the two biggest political and legal motivations, but also to try to explain or

00:47:34.100 convince the public that Trump supporters are domestic violent extremists, domestic terrorists,

00:47:40.020 and that's why they have launched, as I said in my book, a second war on terror against the political right. 0.94

00:47:45.780 It's completely insane. Julie Kelly, we're just about out of time. Let us know,

00:47:49.940 where can our viewers find your information and where can they get a copy of your book?

00:47:54.980 Thanks so much for having me on. All my work is at American Greatness, amgreatness.com. I post a lot

00:47:59.540 of breaking news on Twitter, Julie underscore Kelly too, and my book can be found on Amazon.

00:48:06.980 Folks, please go follow Julie. She is just a wealth of information. She's working 24-7. I've never

00:48:12.980 seen you take a day off. I'm doing digital detox Sundays, but I've never seen you actually take

00:48:18.180 a day off. Julie Kelly, God bless, and thank you for your tireless work in terms of all of this.

00:48:24.340 You too, Jack. Thanks for covering all my work and being such a good friend. Appreciate it.

00:48:28.900 Thanks, Julie, and thanks to all of our guests here today at the Human Events Sunday special.

00:48:32.900 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay short.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - March 26, 2023

SUNDAY SPECIAL： THE STATE OF NEW YORK VS. DONALD TRUMP

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