Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - April 02, 2023


SUNDAY SPECIAL： THE TRUTH ABOUT GENDER IDENTITY DISORDER


Episode Stats

Length

47 minutes

Words per Minute

171.69171

Word Count

8,221

Sentence Count

496

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

16


Summary

Join Jack and Jack as they sit down with author Ollie London and author Chloe Cole to discuss the radicalization of the trans ideology that may have contributed to the recent shooting of children in a Christian school in Nashville, Tennessee.


Transcript

00:00:00.260 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to the Human Events Sunday Special.
00:00:05.920 Now, we know everything that's going on with President Trump right now and the indictment,
00:00:09.800 but we also have this issue that's been going on in this country for years now and come to a head.
00:00:18.600 The militant trans movement.
00:00:21.580 We had a shooting that took place earlier this week and a manifesto that the FBI is trying to get us to forget about.
00:00:27.220 So today, I wanted to sit down and tell the truth about gender identity disorder.
00:00:35.220 And we've got two fantastic guests, Ollie London and Chloe Cole, to explain it all to us.
00:00:43.800 You're going to love this.
00:00:44.980 So, share this out with everybody.
00:00:47.220 Make sure you listen to the whole thing.
00:00:57.220 All right.
00:00:59.960 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.
00:01:01.580 This is the Sunday special here for Human Events Daily.
00:01:05.060 We are very excited to welcome for the first time to Human Events, Ollie London.
00:01:10.080 Now, you may know Ollie.
00:01:11.140 You may have read the book.
00:01:12.020 But, Ollie, if you can, please introduce yourself to the Human Events audience.
00:01:16.260 Hey.
00:01:16.720 Well, thank you so much for having me first, Jack.
00:01:18.660 So, my name is Ollie London.
00:01:19.800 I'm an author of the upcoming book, Gender Madness.
00:01:23.280 I was also previously struggling for many years with identity issues.
00:01:27.440 I was transgender.
00:01:28.780 And then I later detransitioned.
00:01:30.160 And now I've become an ambassador, you know, fighting for gays against groomers, fighting against, you know, the gender ideology that's tearing so many communities apart.
00:01:38.580 Well, I mean, that's incredible because it's, you've, you've been working on all this.
00:01:44.520 You've been doing gays against groomers.
00:01:46.520 You've got the book coming out.
00:01:48.180 And then this week, all of a sudden, and I think this issue had been something that a lot of people knew about.
00:01:53.920 There was a lot of interest in.
00:01:55.100 There's been a lot of discussion about.
00:01:57.100 But suddenly this week here in the United States, we have this horrific act down in Nashville, Tennessee.
00:02:05.060 And for Christians and just for Americans in general, and I think everyone in the West, they're trying to make some sense of how could something like this happen?
00:02:16.040 How could someone become so radicalized to commit and act like they're going after children?
00:02:24.160 And there are people questioning as to whether or not this ideology played a role in this attack in Nashville.
00:02:31.640 So let me, let me ask you this first off.
00:02:33.280 Do you think it's possible?
00:02:34.520 Do you think it's possible that this ideology led to that?
00:02:38.120 Yeah, absolutely.
00:02:38.860 I mean, we, of course, need to see the manifesto.
00:02:40.960 But I really do believe that the Nashville police chief said there was a credible substance to the claim that this was motivated by radicalized gender ideology.
00:02:50.320 And we also need to note as well, this individual only transitioned and became transgender within the last couple of years.
00:02:56.060 So their friends at high school, they described them as normal, as shy, as sweet.
00:03:01.400 So something has happened within the last couple of years that has really pushed this person to become so extreme and so radicalized that they would do that to a Christian community.
00:03:11.040 So I definitely think gender ideology.
00:03:13.580 We look at the rhetoric now, you know, we have so many trans organizations calling for retaliation in Tennessee based on the law that's banning gender affirming care that just went in to law just a few weeks ago.
00:03:26.760 So we're seeing this increased hate and rhetoric coming from the trans activist community.
00:03:33.180 Not all of them, but there's a growing portion of people in that community that are calling for violence and more extreme measures.
00:03:39.240 So I really believe that has played a significant part, if not the leading factor in what happens here.
00:03:45.400 Well, that's right.
00:03:46.220 And in fact, it wasn't even anyone on the right or conservatives that started saying we had ABC News and mainstream media here in the United States that in the wake of this, before we even really knew all the facts, that were clearly pointing out that this obviously took place in Tennessee just a few weeks after this law was passed.
00:04:04.220 And so the heat seemed to have been on.
00:04:06.220 Now, we also know there's some some connections.
00:04:08.140 She went to the school.
00:04:09.220 She may or may not have known the pastor of the school pastors.
00:04:13.480 And just just since we're talking about the investigation, the pastor's own daughter who attended the school was one of the victims.
00:04:20.200 And so it certainly appears that there's also a this personal element to the entire thing.
00:04:27.300 So if you can, because you know this story from your own story, can you walk us through this process of how does someone first get involved in this ideology, you know, coming to it from the first place?
00:04:41.700 Because we've seen some of the photos of this Audrey Hale, and she seems to be just a sweet young girl from again from middle Tennessee, pretty, pretty traditional family going to a Christian school.
00:04:55.480 How do you go from that to being involved in this ideology?
00:04:59.560 Right. And absolutely. Like most of her school friends, when she went to school, you know, they all had good things to say about her.
00:05:06.400 They said, you know, she was shy. They did say she was an outcast and she was always different, though.
00:05:10.700 But the real issue is this kind of ideology has become a very recent phenomenon.
00:05:16.520 We weren't having these issues 10 years ago. You know, nobody had even heard of kids being medically transitioned.
00:05:22.780 This is a very recent phenomenon that spurred on within the last five years.
00:05:26.140 We've had an increase in the pediatric clinics in America. There's now 60, 60 plus.
00:05:31.620 There were none a decade ago. So there's an increased rise.
00:05:35.480 There's schools teaching now this ideology, telling kids about sex education, telling kids about changing their gender and oftentimes doing it behind their parents' backs.
00:05:45.340 So there's a real cultural shift and there's a push to try and normalize this.
00:05:49.700 And, you know, many people didn't have a problem with anyone being trans, you know, five, 10 years ago.
00:05:55.120 It wasn't until they started medically transitioning kids, tearing families apart, taking away parental rights that this became an issue.
00:06:01.980 So, you know, when it comes to someone wanting to change, I think there are so many factors.
00:06:07.900 There are a very small minority of people that do generally feel that way their whole life since they were born.
00:06:13.340 But we have to look at the fact the majority of kids these days are going with a trend.
00:06:17.540 They're going with what's being pushed on them. And there are also many of these kids that they may just as a teenager, they're just struggling with an identity.
00:06:24.720 You know, they might be, you know, it might be to do with their sexuality.
00:06:28.160 They might be gay, lesbian or bi. And they're being told by adults, by teachers that they are in the wrong gender.
00:06:34.480 So they must be affirmed immediately. So this is what's causing real harm.
00:06:38.580 And then when you're putting young people on high doses of testosterone or estrogen, when you're giving them surgeries, you know, this has a severe effect on the body.
00:06:48.040 It leads to bone density issues, heart attack increases. It also changes the chemical imbalance in the brain.
00:06:55.900 So what will be interesting to see with the Nashville investigation was this individual on a high dose of testosterone,
00:07:04.000 because that can lead to severe anger issues and that could have played a factor in this person becoming radicalised and violent.
00:07:10.440 And we know the fact that this Audrey Hale was under the care of a doctor for an unspecified emotional disorder.
00:07:18.560 We need to find out, was that related to them being transgender and were they being pumped with abnormally high doses of testosterone?
00:07:27.080 Because, of course, you know, given the age here, this I mean, we keep talking about her as a as a girl, but she's 28 years old.
00:07:36.500 She's she's she's an adult young woman. So if those indeed procedures were going on under the current Tennessee law,
00:07:44.740 her parents would not have been required to be informed of this because because, again, she's 28 years old.
00:07:50.740 She's a 20 year old woman still living with the parents. So they they may have known some things,
00:07:55.020 but apparently she was able to hide these guns, hide this arsenal of guns that she had from them.
00:07:59.460 So I don't know exactly what how what level of scrutiny.
00:08:01.700 It's certainly possible that all of that could have been been done without the parents knowledge whatsoever at 28.
00:08:08.700 I mean, she could easily be able to walk into any doctor and do this.
00:08:11.620 But so that that's also kind of my question, I guess, because, you know, we talk about the targeting of children.
00:08:17.120 But this wasn't a child. This is someone who was an adult yet somehow targeted children.
00:08:24.080 So it seems as though there's an angle of that. Right. And yet this person herself was not a child.
00:08:30.400 So somehow she was she fell through. And I personally believe that it's that social media, that the Internet and specifically read it.
00:08:40.600 There's been some discussion that she may have had a Reddit account.
00:08:45.140 They found some accounts that have similar profile names to some of the screen names that she used on other platforms.
00:08:51.220 So you can't say for sure whether or not it was her. But we do know that that certainly there's a lot of these out there.
00:08:57.060 It started with, you know, certainly Tumblr. But then with Reddit and TikTok, I think these sub communities online have become a sort of a sort of echo chamber for this type of ideology.
00:09:07.920 Would you agree with that? Yeah, absolutely.
00:09:10.320 Absolutely. I mean, you know, before we had social media, before we had TikTok, we didn't really have so many problems.
00:09:15.860 You know, kids, you know, always struggle with identity, but we didn't have such a severe problem like we have today.
00:09:21.160 Of course, this person, Audrey Hale, was 28. But now we need to find out what were they looking at online?
00:09:26.740 Because there is an increased radicalization in the trans activist community.
00:09:31.100 There's constant calls of violence. So when the Tennessee law was passed, there were multiple organizations that are well known that were pushing for retaliation.
00:09:40.320 In Tennessee. So, you know, that's what needs to come out in the investigation, because we need to see who were these people?
00:09:46.160 Who was this person communicating with online? Were they in these communities that were changing their mind and almost brainwashing them into having hate?
00:09:54.800 Because unfortunately, there's so much hate happening right now. You know, we tend to see in the news, the mainstream media, we see the extremes, you know, one extreme to the other.
00:10:02.580 We don't see, you know, what else is going on. So I think these people in these communities, they're seeing the extremes going on.
00:10:09.360 They think, oh, trans rights are being taken away. We're under attack. There's a trans genocide.
00:10:14.400 You know, we just had Libby Emmons on the other day talking about this, this this trans genocide.
00:10:26.580 And it's you can go to Wikipedia dot com right now. And there's a whole article with paragraph chapter after chapter of the trans genocide.
00:10:33.280 And, you know, I'm sitting here thinking, is the trans genocide in the room with us right now?
00:10:38.440 Where is the trans genocide? I was I was completely unaware that this was going on.
00:10:42.520 Are there are there, you know, the anti trans death squad storming the nation right now?
00:10:47.640 I mean, what what exactly are they talking about?
00:10:50.620 I mean, they tend to use that word all the time. They keep saying, you know, their rights are being taken away.
00:10:55.840 There's a trans genocide. But it's really not. Because if you look at any protests that involves trans activists and, you know,
00:11:02.840 against women or people that are Christian or conservative, it's always the trans activists that use the violence.
00:11:09.540 It's never the other side. So there's no trans genocide going on. Of course, trans people struggle.
00:11:14.740 There are people that, you know, do get assaulted in any community.
00:11:18.160 You know, we saw the rise in Asian hate crimes since Covid.
00:11:22.180 So any community has violence. Most of the violence in the trans community is actually sexual based violence.
00:11:27.080 So it's nothing to do with someone because of their identity.
00:11:30.260 So, you know, when they're saying about this non-existent genocide and suddenly, you know,
00:11:34.820 six people from the Christian community had their lives taken by a trans gender person, you know,
00:11:40.080 we have to kind of, you know, stop that rhetoric because it's not helping the trans community either.
00:11:44.440 They're going on about the genocide when other people are being killed because likely of this ideology.
00:11:49.960 No, that's exactly right. We are coming up on a break.
00:11:52.240 Ali London, make sure to go to the site. Check out the book.
00:11:56.120 I want to hold you on because I want to get more into we can speculate what Audrey Hale's story is.
00:12:02.740 But, you know, your story, you can tell your story.
00:12:05.600 And when we come back here on Human Events, I'd like to ask you to tell your story because it might shed some light into these questions,
00:12:14.900 these burning questions that so many people are asking that when we have.
00:12:19.200 Look, and as a Christian, as a father of two little boys, when I see a little girl lying dead at the foot of the cross in a school,
00:12:27.760 I it's very emotional and it's very spiritual.
00:12:30.640 Stay tuned. Come back. Ali London.
00:12:32.740 And we're back with Ali London, the author of the forthcoming book, Gender Madness,
00:12:40.880 about this ideology, the radicalization and your own personal story.
00:12:45.080 Now, we don't know the story yet of Audrey Hale.
00:12:47.240 It has yet to be written. And yet your story has been written.
00:12:50.740 So I was hoping that you could share that with us for our audience to understand
00:12:54.480 and see if we can find any points of overlap between what's going on here.
00:12:58.000 Yeah. So I wrote Gender Madness basically to help a variety of people.
00:13:03.720 So I want to help people that struggle with identity, particularly young people,
00:13:07.380 because this is one of the most pressing issues of our time right now.
00:13:10.560 We're seeing thousands and thousands of young people question their identity and want to change themselves
00:13:16.640 when really they should try to focus on finding happiness from within.
00:13:20.620 So, you know, part of my book covers my struggle with identity.
00:13:23.920 I've had so many struggles over the years. What led to that?
00:13:27.200 So we look at, you know, these kids, many kids get bullied.
00:13:30.580 Many kids want to fit in.
00:13:32.380 Many of the kids that are being diagnosed with gender dysphoria have underlying issues.
00:13:36.640 A lot of them have autism.
00:13:38.200 A lot of them have bipolar, severe depression.
00:13:40.620 So we're looking at the correlation.
00:13:42.140 So my book explores all of those subjects.
00:13:44.660 It's also exploring what is driving this growing number of young people to want to transition.
00:13:50.120 So I've got multiple chapters on the influence of TikTok, how that suddenly came about in 2018.
00:13:55.220 And then that's when we really started to see a huge rise in the numbers of kids wanting to transition.
00:14:00.900 It's almost become a trend.
00:14:02.540 So I also discuss that the social media implications, how the education system is changing as well.
00:14:08.280 In particularly a lot of my book is about America.
00:14:10.640 I've spent a lot of time in America.
00:14:12.300 No, a lot of these schools now in the woke school districts are pushing gender ideology on kids.
00:14:17.960 And the parents have no idea.
00:14:20.460 So they're basically encouraging these kids to change their gender before the child even really has a concept of gender.
00:14:26.580 So the book explores all of that.
00:14:28.600 I also have chapters on the different state laws, the current legislation being passed, either banning gender affirming care or trying to not ban it.
00:14:37.240 So I'm looking at all those different laws and how we as a society can stop this happening to children, how we can protect women's rights, protect parents' rights, while also being compassionate.
00:14:47.560 You know, it's important to understand that many of these people, these young people, they're really struggling with their mental health.
00:14:53.000 They're struggling to fit in.
00:14:54.220 But, you know, gender affirming care is not the solution.
00:14:57.460 They're putting these kids on hormones is only going to amplify the problems they face.
00:15:01.640 So the book covers all those issues.
00:15:03.600 It's also about my faith journey, how, you know, I got to a point in life I was so obsessed with trying to look a certain way and become a different person.
00:15:12.480 And I really lost my identity.
00:15:14.260 So it's about finding identity and how we as a society can come together to fight this gender ideology that's harming so many people across America.
00:15:24.480 Well, can you can you tease that out for us a little bit?
00:15:27.080 So you say you you say you lost your identity and then you went on a faith journey.
00:15:32.000 What does that mean?
00:15:32.820 Can you walk us through that?
00:15:34.820 So since I was a teenager, I really did struggle with myself.
00:15:38.200 So I used to get severely bullied and that was all related to my looks.
00:15:41.800 I was always a lot more feminine.
00:15:43.660 I used to prefer doing girls things like playing with Barbie dolls.
00:15:47.080 So I used to get bullied a lot because of my femininity.
00:15:51.220 And as an adult, I started having plastic surgery to just to try and improve myself.
00:15:57.200 And that kind of became an addiction because I was using that as an outlet to try and deal with my past traumas.
00:16:03.680 When instead I should have gone to therapy, I should have tackled these things face on.
00:16:07.580 I resorted to, you know, going through this surgical journey, which now I've realized was like self-harming.
00:16:13.660 You know, I was enjoying at the time the pain I was going through because I felt I deserved it.
00:16:17.980 So I went through that journey.
00:16:20.280 I got to a certain state.
00:16:21.480 By the way, that's that's that's fascinating.
00:16:23.540 So that that you you just equated this this using plastic surgery as an outlet to self-harm the same way we might consider, you know, cutting that that goes on for teens and preteens.
00:16:39.680 And that for you, though, because they both require or they both include this this this this pain element to it.
00:16:49.700 So that's so interesting to me that you draw a parallel between essentially between the two.
00:16:54.520 Yeah, I mean, it was an outlet to deal with pain.
00:16:58.180 And I think that's what many young people do these days.
00:17:00.480 You know, when you see young teenage girls having double mastectomies and then proudly showing their scars on TikTok, I really think, you know, they must be struggling with a lot of mental health struggles.
00:17:11.060 And, you know, doctors have a responsibility not to do that to them, you know, because if somebody was anorexic, you wouldn't give them liposuction.
00:17:19.460 So why on earth would you give a child that's struggling with mental health, you know, a double mastectomy?
00:17:25.440 It just doesn't make sense.
00:17:26.640 So I really believe, you know, these kids, it's an outlet.
00:17:29.620 They want to almost self-harm and inflict pain on themselves because they don't fit in.
00:17:33.800 They maybe get bullied and they're just trying to, you know, be included in this kind of very harmful trend of, you know, self-harming and body mutilation in the name of gender.
00:17:44.680 Well, and that's right, you know, because I mean, like there have been so many fads that go through.
00:17:49.700 Everyone knows that when you're in teenage years, fads are are the most highly susceptible.
00:17:55.460 So that's, you know, I remember when for me, when I was going through high school, you know, you had you had the goths and you had or you wore flannel, you know, in the 90s because Kurt Cobain wore flannel and you were you were doing the grunge thing and everything was, you know, baggy jeans.
00:18:10.700 And that was those are actually coming back a little bit now, if you've noticed that the zoomers kind of have this sort of like retro 90s thing going on the same way that in the 90s, there was a retro 70s thing going on.
00:18:20.020 And yet that didn't include these extremes of behavior that we're starting to see now.
00:18:26.860 But let me ask you as well, because with social media, it it's it it almost serves to validate those types of behaviors, doesn't it?
00:18:35.200 And in fact, reward them to some extent.
00:18:37.780 Absolutely.
00:18:38.380 I mean, I talk about this in my book.
00:18:40.200 So basically what's happening now is these kids that are struggling with loneliness, they're struggling to accept themselves.
00:18:46.180 Maybe they're getting bullied.
00:18:47.320 They desperately want to fit in.
00:18:49.280 So they go on to apps like TikTok.
00:18:51.380 They see very successful influencers like Dylan Mulvaney that gets millions of views that gets praise.
00:18:56.880 And they want that to, you know, what child doesn't want to fit in?
00:19:00.420 What child gets invited to the White House?
00:19:03.240 I know. Right.
00:19:04.220 And all those brand deals as well.
00:19:05.760 So, you know, so, you know, these kids want to get validated.
00:19:09.120 So when they see someone that's sharing their transition journey online, I guarantee you all those videos get so many likes.
00:19:15.760 They get so many views.
00:19:16.900 It's all praise.
00:19:17.860 It's all positivity.
00:19:18.600 So the kids that are questioning themselves or have been indoctrinated to question themselves, they want that, too.
00:19:25.180 They want to be validated.
00:19:26.580 So they start to slowly change.
00:19:28.380 Maybe they grow their hair.
00:19:29.440 They put on some makeup.
00:19:30.760 Suddenly they get praise.
00:19:31.860 That's positive reinforcement.
00:19:33.180 So they continue doing more and more extreme.
00:19:35.720 And it's, you know, these days it's all about likes and views to feel good about yourself.
00:19:39.220 When really we should be, you know, switching off the social media for kids, let them go play outdoors, let them go to church, you know, let them go do soccer or outdoor activities instead of spending all the time on TikTok trying to seek validation because it's only going to amplify the problems they already have.
00:19:55.220 I know that you're exactly right.
00:19:57.620 This this is what they're doing is they're short circuiting the dopamine cycle in the brain and they're creating it's people refer to this as love bombing people.
00:20:06.420 It can be it can be used to manipulate people in many ways.
00:20:11.140 And certainly with children, you're already dealing with undeveloped brains, developing brains, this idea that, you know, you're going to flood so much of this at them.
00:20:21.820 I mean, this this these type of techniques work on adults, too, by the way.
00:20:24.400 But when you're kids, you have no defenses whatsoever to it.
00:20:28.580 So the idea that that that we're pushing this with kids and then rewarding it for kids, it's it's completely.
00:20:34.420 So how did you and and and and I'll ask this question might be a little sensitive, but, you know, tell me what you think.
00:20:40.100 How did you pull back?
00:20:42.340 How did you begin to change?
00:20:46.660 You know, was there a moment?
00:20:48.060 Was there a pivot point?
00:20:49.640 What was it for you that led you to that inflection?
00:20:52.480 So I basically felt like I got to the end of the road.
00:20:56.140 I've been doing so many surgeries over a number of years.
00:20:59.060 I really struggled to accept myself and I still wasn't happy.
00:21:02.800 And I thought, you know, I've done all this surgery.
00:21:04.900 I've had facial feminization.
00:21:07.300 I had all my bones shaved down.
00:21:08.760 I've had six nose surgeries, three eye surgeries, three facelifts.
00:21:12.060 So I've basically done so much extreme and I was thinking, what else can I do to, you know, make myself feel better?
00:21:18.060 And I was thinking, OK, I can either do more surgery or, you know, I was reaching a point where I was maturing and I was actually taking some time out from life.
00:21:26.120 And I was thinking, what am I actually doing?
00:21:28.040 You know, I can either, you know, the famous Robert Frost poem, Two Roads Less Travelled.
00:21:33.220 You can either take one road that leads to something that is unexpected or you can take the path you're already on.
00:21:38.880 I decided to go down the road that was unexpected, take a step back, go to church and just reflect on what I was doing to myself because I was harming myself.
00:21:46.960 But I was also harming people that watch me on TikTok and watch me on Instagram because I get a lot of views on there.
00:21:53.100 And, you know, I had a duty to be a good role model for these people.
00:21:56.760 So it really made me reflect and want to actually realize I need to find the real me that's been trapped inside all these years.
00:22:03.700 That's actually incredible.
00:22:05.540 Wow.
00:22:05.780 So you just now for for church was was that part of your family life when you were younger?
00:22:10.240 Was there someone that that was calling you there or was it just sort of more a an internal decision?
00:22:16.960 And so I'd always been spiritual.
00:22:18.540 But what's interesting, I was actually atheist most of my life when I was a kid.
00:22:22.260 I did used to go to a church school in England, so I'd been to church many times as a kid.
00:22:28.100 I had very familiar memories.
00:22:29.800 But, you know, as an adult, I just kind of lost touch with that and just kind of didn't really believe in anything.
00:22:35.760 And I think, you know, the fact that I didn't believe in anything really was why I was so misguided, why I was so lost.
00:22:41.760 I was lost in the wilderness.
00:22:42.960 So it wasn't until I started going to church again that I really found some sense of purpose.
00:22:47.520 And it made me think about life more.
00:22:50.040 You know, life is more than just getting surgery.
00:22:52.220 Life is more than just trying to change who you are.
00:22:54.500 It's actually better to accept who you are, to feel good about yourself and then to try and help other people.
00:23:00.100 That's much more important.
00:23:01.740 God bless.
00:23:02.560 Ali London, thank you so much for sharing your story with us, for your journey and for writing the book.
00:23:07.820 Tell people where they can they follow you and how do they preorder the book?
00:23:10.760 Thank you, Jack.
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00:23:30.320 All right, folks, welcome back here.
00:23:32.320 Human Events Sunday special.
00:23:33.640 Someone that I've been meaning to have on the show for the longest time is Chloe Cole, our next guest.
00:23:41.980 She is one of the most outspoken detransitioners in the country.
00:23:46.900 She's currently suing Kaiser Permanente, which I completely support.
00:23:52.220 And please go and support that that fundraiser if you can.
00:23:56.960 Chloe, thank you so much for joining us here on Human Events.
00:23:59.780 Thank you for having me.
00:24:00.840 So before we get into that, I do want to get into that.
00:24:05.120 But I've got to ask you about this this week.
00:24:08.100 We're sitting and we're watching this.
00:24:11.100 So much going on, which seems like with this trans movement is hitting all at once.
00:24:16.200 And we were told this was the trans week of visibility, the trans day of vengeance.
00:24:20.900 There's a shooting conducted by a transgender woman in Nashville, Tennessee, attacking a Christian school.
00:24:30.960 They're storming the capitals in Kentucky, in Tennessee.
00:24:35.800 They stormed the capitol in Oklahoma last month.
00:24:39.680 What is going on with this movement?
00:24:41.980 How has this become such a force in America?
00:24:44.980 Right, so a lot of people are making this out to either be a gun issue or a transgender issue.
00:24:58.900 They're saying that either guns or this entire group of people are inherently dangerous.
00:25:05.020 But I think both those arguments are pretty disingenuous.
00:25:08.980 I think that it's really a mental health issue.
00:25:13.240 This is a group of people that is being strongly misled.
00:25:18.740 And they're being failed by people who should be, sorry.
00:25:28.460 People who should know better.
00:25:30.480 Right.
00:25:32.820 They're being fed the idea that not only they can actually transition to something that they are not,
00:25:41.600 that they can become the opposite sex or another sex entirely, but that they're oppressed.
00:25:46.940 They're an oppressed group, and they should fight tooth and nail for the rights.
00:25:52.300 It's like, and you hear this, and it seems like it's happening more in conservative states, right?
00:26:00.380 And because these bills are being passed, and they're being told not that, oh, this is a new bill.
00:26:07.060 They're actually being told that this is a genocide, that this is the stripping of rights,
00:26:13.400 that this is the taking away of health care, and what kind of emotion does that elicit from a person
00:26:21.280 who's told those things and believes them?
00:26:26.400 Right.
00:26:26.900 They think their lives are being threatened because they're being told that their rights are being taken away,
00:26:31.360 that their health care is being stripped of them, stripped from them, and obviously this is not true.
00:26:43.200 Chloe, we have to understand that there's something driving all of these events that we're seeing,
00:26:49.820 whether it's in Tennessee at a Christian school or the Tennessee Capitol or in Kentucky or in Oklahoma last month,
00:26:58.680 that there is a movement behind this.
00:27:03.220 And we're trying, we're struggling to understand what is this movement?
00:27:08.060 Who is behind it?
00:27:09.260 Who are the people benefiting from it?
00:27:11.060 Right. It's very ideologically driven.
00:27:18.020 They push transition as the only means of treating gender dysphoria and anything else is conversion therapy.
00:27:24.480 It's genocide.
00:27:26.260 And because legislators, especially in these red states, are trying to stop practice of childhood transition
00:27:33.380 and improve the model of care for these kids, they are painting it as something, as a human rights issue,
00:27:41.880 that these kids are having their livelihood, their health care stripped away from them.
00:27:47.540 And I've, one thing that I've noticed, I travel around a lot and I travel around a lot
00:27:53.840 and I testify on legislature across the U.S.
00:27:58.040 And a lot of these, in a lot of these red states that I've testified in,
00:28:04.540 the activists during these hearings are a lot more desperate.
00:28:08.300 They're a lot more vocal.
00:28:09.240 They're, they often interrupt the hearing by, by making a show of themselves, by shouting, by laughing.
00:28:16.480 And I often get shouted at when I'm leaving the room.
00:28:20.640 And I think part of that is because they're more, they're more desperate.
00:28:25.420 Their ideology is, is losing.
00:28:28.040 Now, when, when they, when they target you in these events, have, what about your,
00:28:34.600 or have you been personally threatened by this movement?
00:28:37.140 Have they, have they passed threats, like credible threats to you in any way?
00:28:42.460 Yeah, I actually hosted a rally earlier this month at the, at the California Capitol.
00:28:48.680 In California, right, right.
00:28:49.420 It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't political in any way.
00:28:51.680 It was just about people like me who have been harmed by the affirmative care model
00:28:55.540 and de-transitioned.
00:28:58.920 But, of course, Antifa had to, had to step in and make it a political thing.
00:29:04.320 And I got dozens of threats over Twitter.
00:29:08.340 And, um, luckily police kept the, uh, the riots away from the actual event.
00:29:17.580 But they showed up at a local park and they actually, um, they destroyed, um, they destroyed
00:29:25.620 media equipment and assaulted several people.
00:29:27.480 And, um, outside of that, I've gotten, I can't even count the number of threats that I've,
00:29:36.120 that I've gotten online, um, threats of, of physical assault, of, of rape.
00:29:42.860 And I've, I've been doxxed.
00:29:44.480 So, Chloe, we're coming up on a break right now, but I'd like, if we can, for in the next
00:29:51.340 segment, because we do have you for one more segment, I'd love for you to share that story
00:29:55.820 with us and to tell our audience your story.
00:29:59.400 Because I, I think as we look into what happened with Nashville, we don't know all the details,
00:30:04.360 but your story might be able to show and shine some light on it.
00:30:09.440 Stay tuned, folks.
00:30:10.000 We'll be right back with more of Chloe Cole.
00:30:11.240 And we're back with Chloe Cole.
00:30:15.800 Chloe, in our last segment, you know, you, you shared with us some very powerful testimony.
00:30:20.900 And I would say that that was testimony about what this movement is doing to this country,
00:30:25.720 the radicalization of the youth in many cases, but also other members of society like this,
00:30:33.140 uh, Audrey Hale down in Tennessee.
00:30:35.620 But, but I wondered if you can to share with us your story for the audience, uh, you, we,
00:30:43.380 we know about the law that you're suing Kaiser Permanente now, but, but take us back to when
00:30:48.860 you yourself first encountered, uh, the transgender movement, transgender ism online as an ideology
00:30:57.880 and walk us through what that was like for you.
00:31:02.600 So my first exposure to it was through the internet, through social media.
00:31:07.260 Um, I got my first phone when I was 11 and the first social media app that I really used was
00:31:15.020 Instagram.
00:31:15.400 And, um, I'd say that I was a pretty vulnerable kid in a lot of ways because I was a little
00:31:25.020 bit more on the gender non-conforming side.
00:31:26.980 I was, I was more of a tomboy and I had some body image issues.
00:31:31.400 I started puberty pretty early and I became pretty conscious of, of that from a very young
00:31:36.760 age.
00:31:37.160 And I was being fed a lot of these images of women that I just, I felt like I couldn't
00:31:44.880 match up to.
00:31:45.660 And on top of that, I was in the communities that, um, that I would browse, um, on things
00:31:53.060 like video games and shows that I watched.
00:31:56.580 There were a lot of other kids and young adults who identified as either gay, lesbian, bisexual,
00:32:04.840 or overwhelmingly transgender.
00:32:08.620 A lot of them were non-binary or they identified as the opposite sex.
00:32:13.840 And I started seeing a lot of posts that were specifically about transitioning and gender
00:32:19.760 and sexuality.
00:32:21.660 And because I was at a pretty, I was at an age where naturally I would start to wonder
00:32:26.140 like about myself, where I stood in the world, where, who I was attracted to.
00:32:34.500 And what role I would fill in the world.
00:32:39.660 And after being exposed to, after being exposed to this stuff for so long, I started to wonder
00:32:43.880 about my own sexuality and gender identity.
00:32:48.700 And after a while, it just made sense that as a very masculine girl who never fit in, never
00:32:58.020 really felt very pretty, it just, it just made sense that this whole time I was a boy and I
00:33:06.020 started to change myself in pursuit of that.
00:33:09.440 I, I started to cut my hair short.
00:33:11.660 I started to, um, to wear different clothing and I tried to act more like the boys at school
00:33:20.280 and even change my name.
00:33:21.620 And, um, I came out to my parents when I was 12 going on 13 and their reaction was to take
00:33:32.860 me to a therapist because they didn't know how to handle this.
00:33:34.980 They didn't know anything about this.
00:33:36.820 And they thought that it would be best to get a professional involved.
00:33:40.880 But what ended up happening was that my delusion of actually being the opposite sex was affirmed.
00:33:52.660 I was treated as if I were a boy.
00:33:54.600 They, they only referred to me by my, by my preferred name and by my preferred pronouns.
00:34:00.780 And they didn't go by anything else.
00:34:02.520 They never even went into the underlying, um, issues that I had and what they knew of, they
00:34:11.760 didn't address.
00:34:13.820 It was just treated as a completely standalone issue from my gender dysphoria.
00:34:17.880 And they told my parents later that in an appointment they had, I don't think I was
00:34:28.260 there for this actually.
00:34:29.260 So I couldn't really refute anything that was, that was said.
00:34:31.600 And I didn't, I didn't know what they were, what they were telling my parents at the time,
00:34:35.900 but they told my parents that if I wasn't allowed to transition, then it was very likely
00:34:42.060 that I would kill myself.
00:34:42.900 And this was when, at the time I was, uh, I was starting to ask my parents to, to take
00:34:50.680 me to an appointment to put me on hormones because I thought that that was the natural
00:34:55.020 progression of things, that it was the only means of treating gender dysphoria and that
00:35:02.500 I should be on these treatments ideally as early as possible, because that was, that was
00:35:08.060 how the trans community represented things.
00:35:11.260 That was how the research that I did both from the community and, um, from official medical
00:35:17.560 resources seem to point to this as the only way of, of treating my condition.
00:35:24.900 Would, would your, did your parents question the doctors at all?
00:35:29.060 Did they, did they ever have a time where they pushed back and said, does this, is, this
00:35:34.280 seems extreme, uh, you know, you know, and of course you want to trust your doctor, but
00:35:39.300 obviously some of the things that you're talking about here are quite, uh, quite extreme.
00:35:43.960 And, and certainly, um, uh, shall we say not, not, not exactly commonly, you know, commonly
00:35:50.600 understood.
00:35:51.100 I mean, I, I, I don't think people are used to, and certainly at that age, these types of
00:35:56.080 procedures going on.
00:35:57.100 So was there any, was there any level of pushback like that?
00:35:59.820 Yeah, there, there was actually, they, they were okay with me changing the way I dressed
00:36:05.380 and they tried to go along with my name change, but they didn't want to, they didn't want me
00:36:11.440 to be making any permanent decisions.
00:36:14.560 They didn't want that on their hands.
00:36:16.500 They didn't want me to make any choices that I very well could regret as an adult.
00:36:25.640 And they told this to the doctors, they voiced their concerns and they were, they were just
00:36:33.900 ignored.
00:36:34.900 And so at that point, did, I know at some point, and obviously you, you've told the
00:36:40.360 story before, at what point did, does it, did they go from not just, uh, blockers and
00:36:49.000 hormones, but to actual surgery?
00:36:51.920 Right.
00:36:52.920 Right.
00:36:53.920 So just about half a year after I was, um, I was diagnosed with gender dysphoria was
00:37:02.800 when I was put on blockers and a month after that was when I was, I was put on testosterone
00:37:07.920 and they actually broke their, uh, their protocol for gender dysphoric children.
00:37:12.920 That seems so fast.
00:37:13.920 That's, I'm sorry.
00:37:14.920 That just, that's shocking to me.
00:37:15.920 That seems so fast.
00:37:16.920 That seems extremely aggressive.
00:37:18.920 Yeah, it was, it was actually pretty, pretty similar with the surgery.
00:37:21.920 Even, um, I started treatment at, at 13 and two years later, um, after my sophomore year
00:37:29.920 was when I underwent surgery.
00:37:31.920 And my first appointment for that was roughly around the same time, time period.
00:37:37.920 It was about half a year before that point.
00:37:40.920 So it's half a year, it's half a year.
00:37:43.920 And then, so at this point, you know, you've, you've, you've undergone all this.
00:37:49.920 Are you, are you feeling though at some point you, you talked about the feelings that you
00:37:53.920 had when you, and when you were online, you were interacting with, with this content online,
00:37:57.920 other users, and that you were feeling these, these feelings of not fitting in at any point.
00:38:03.920 Did you feel those feelings go away?
00:38:05.920 Did you start to feel like you fit in?
00:38:07.920 Did you start to feel like you were actually, um, you know, becoming your true self as supposedly
00:38:13.920 they, you know, they, they say is a value of what you're supposed to feel.
00:38:18.920 Yeah.
00:38:19.920 It was more like with each treatment, there was like a honeymoon period.
00:38:26.920 Um, once I started on testosterone, which I was, I was in my eighth grade year and had,
00:38:35.920 I hadn't really come out to anybody yet.
00:38:38.920 I wasn't initially accepted by, by my peers when I started transitioning because I mean, I,
00:38:43.920 I mostly attribute it to the fact that I was in middle school and people just aren't nice,
00:38:47.920 especially towards kids who present differently.
00:38:50.920 But once I was in high school, um, I was on testosterone for long enough that, um, my voice
00:38:56.920 was fairly deep, deeper than most boys my age at the time, actually.
00:39:00.920 Um, there was the testosterone was, was very effective, but I looked, I appeared to be just
00:39:09.920 like any other boy my age and nobody other than people who I went to elementary and middle school
00:39:15.920 with knew that I, that I even was a biological female.
00:39:19.920 And there were a few instances when I was outed behind my back, but for the post for the most part,
00:39:28.920 nobody knew, and they just saw me as another one of the boys.
00:39:32.920 And there was kind of that comfort of being able to, to make male friends and be as part of a group.
00:39:42.920 Um, and seemingly be accepted for who at the time, who I thought I was, but that went away after a while.
00:39:49.920 I, um, reality started setting and my relationships weren't as close anymore.
00:39:57.920 I didn't really have a lot of room to talk about my feelings or my personal struggles and my, my dating, um, my dating pool was really severely limited by this.
00:40:12.920 I mean, everybody, a lot of my other friends were getting into relationships and getting girlfriends and boyfriends.
00:40:20.920 But I was somebody who appeared to outwardly be male, but I was still attracted to males.
00:40:29.920 And this proved very difficult.
00:40:32.920 There were, there were a few people, there were a few guys who expressed interest in me, but it often felt like if anything, I was just an object of a fetish mostly for these people.
00:40:49.920 And I was, it was very, it was very lonely.
00:40:52.920 Yeah.
00:40:53.920 It's like, it's like, there's a, it's like a, like a, like a, like a gimmick or a, a, you know, something special, but it's not, it's more about the, you know, the objectification in a sense, not, not you for you.
00:41:04.920 You know, this, this, you, you mentioned being on, uh, testosterone.
00:41:09.920 What, what, what, what, what did that feel like?
00:41:11.920 What, what changes did you notice when you're on testosterone?
00:41:14.920 Yeah.
00:41:15.920 So I was, I was on the blockers first and I was already about like three or four years into puberty before I started on them.
00:41:25.920 And I'd already been having the period for almost two years by that point.
00:41:30.920 So it basically sent me into a state of menopause.
00:41:35.920 I was, I had pretty much no sex hormones in my body.
00:41:41.920 My, my sex drive went all the way down.
00:41:45.920 My, I was very lethargic and I was getting hot flashes and itching all over my body.
00:41:52.920 And I felt pretty depressed.
00:41:53.920 I just wanted to, to move on to the next step.
00:41:57.920 And so once I started on testosterone, naturally I felt great.
00:42:01.920 All my energy was back.
00:42:03.920 And, um, I had a massive spike in my sex drive and I felt I started to develop a competitive streak and I became more confident.
00:42:12.920 Um, but at the same time, it was a little more, a little bit more difficult to regulate my, um, my emotions, particularly, um, my anger.
00:42:27.920 Yeah. And you mentioned this, this aggression, they, and they, they've said, and they showed study after study shows this, that testosterone, of course, increases aggression.
00:42:36.920 It's something by the way, that men deal with at an early age that we, you know, we, we are prone to anger, uh, a lot more.
00:42:44.920 And because of men's physical, uh, you know, stature, even, even when you're young, right.
00:42:50.920 You know, that's why there's a lot of fist fights that go on.
00:42:52.920 I've got two little boys, you know, I've got to pull them apart from time to time when they want to.
00:42:56.920 They're both going for the same toy or something.
00:42:59.920 And, and then even that continues on into, you mentioned middle school, then even high school to some extent.
00:43:05.920 And, and you learn that you have to, you have to regulate that yourself.
00:43:08.920 Right.
00:43:09.920 Because you don't want to just go through life, um, answering everything with aggression and anger and physical, uh, you know, physical, um, you know, violence in some cases.
00:43:17.920 But, but we also, and I think Jordan Peterson even mentions this, that he talks about how all, all male to male relations have this sort of underlying.
00:43:25.920 Um, subtext of, you know, we could do this another way, but we're gonna, you know, we're going to, we're going to do this through, through talk and speech.
00:43:35.920 But, but I can't even imagine that if you're, if you're just being.
00:43:38.920 You're given this by some doctor at some point in an aggressive way, very, sounds like very ramped up and straight surgery that there's, there's no explanation whatsoever about how to deal with these things or what changes to expect or how you should act because there's no playbook whatsoever.
00:43:54.920 So.
00:43:55.920 Yeah.
00:43:56.920 And I didn't grow up with that.
00:43:57.920 Yeah.
00:43:58.920 It just came on suddenly.
00:43:59.920 It was very abrupt.
00:44:00.920 Yeah.
00:44:01.920 Completely abrupt.
00:44:02.920 How would you know?
00:44:03.920 Because I'm sure are they, are they sitting there talking to you, explaining to you that this is how you have to deal with it?
00:44:09.920 Um, I mean, they, in these appointments, they focused more on like the physical side effects.
00:44:20.920 And even then it was very vague, but everything that they, that they talked about with me was in very vague terms.
00:44:27.920 And, um, of course it was being given to me.
00:44:32.920 It was the, uh, the prescription for these things were given to me by a female.
00:44:40.920 So she wouldn't understand.
00:44:42.920 I don't mean to laugh.
00:44:44.920 I'm just saying, of course.
00:44:45.920 Right.
00:44:46.920 Cause that's ridiculous because someone who has no idea what any of these hormones even feel like.
00:44:51.920 So you've got to the point where you've launched this lawsuit and I apologize for, um, cause we're, you know, we're, we're coming up on time, but tell us a little bit about the lawsuit where the, what is, what specifically are you seeking here and how can people get involved?
00:45:08.920 Yeah.
00:45:09.920 Yeah.
00:45:10.920 So, um, Harmeet Dillon with, uh, Center for American Liberty, um, is, is my attorney and we filed the suit recently, um, just a few weeks ago.
00:45:28.920 Um, and we, uh, the parties that we're suing are my surgeon, um, the hospital that I had surgery at my gender specialists who referred me to surgery and endocrinologist who put me on hormones as well as, um, Kaiser Permanente, which is both my healthcare provider and my, um, my insurance provider.
00:45:48.920 So it's, it's a pretty huge undertaking, but my, my hope in, in this lawsuit is that not only that I can get justice for myself and get the care that I need because, um, I haven't gotten any help with, um, with any of the complications that I've had with transitioning or even with, with going through the detransition.
00:46:14.920 But I also want to, I hope that I can create a precedent for other detransitioners and other people who have been harmed through these treatments to be able to get justice for themselves as well.
00:46:28.420 That's absolutely great.
00:46:29.100 Where can people go to find out more about that and where to follow you?
00:46:33.900 So my lawsuit, the information and the fundraiser for my lawsuit is available on the Center for American Liberty website.
00:46:40.840 And I, I'm, I'm, I'm active on Twitter and Instagram at C H triple O C O L.
00:46:51.640 Chloe Cole, God bless you.
00:46:53.380 Thank you.
00:46:54.080 Seriously.
00:46:54.400 Thank you so much for sharing so much of your story with us.
00:46:57.140 That was incredible.
00:46:58.200 And I know for the folks back home who want to get involved, please go follow Chloe.
00:47:02.820 Please donate to her lawsuit.
00:47:04.460 We need to share this story with as many people as possible so we can understand what's going on and help other people that are caught in the same situation.
00:47:14.600 Again, God bless you.
00:47:15.320 God bless your family.
00:47:16.720 Thank you.
00:47:17.440 Thank you, Chloe.
00:47:18.620 Gender identity disorder all the way up until the latest issue of DSM five was listed as a mental illness.
00:47:27.720 Yet it was taken out for political reasons, not medical, not psychological.
00:47:33.660 Are we following the science or are we telling the science what it should be?
00:47:40.980 Make sure to like, and subscribe to the show here on Apple daily or rumble, wherever you're watching, share this out with everyone and to everyone, ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.