Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - SUNDAY SPECIAL： THE TRUTH ABOUT JAMES O'KEEFE

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00:00:43.720 All right, we are excited here to bring on James O'Keefe, the new head of the OMG, the O'Keefe Media Group.

00:01:04.380 James O'Keefe, welcome back to Human Events Daily.

00:01:07.660 Hey, Jack.

00:01:08.240 Great to see you.

00:01:09.020 I got to ask, man, how did you come up with the name, the OMG?

00:01:14.360 I mean, I get O'Keefe Media Group, but surely somebody said to you, like, James, are you sure you want the OMG?

00:01:19.120 Are you sure you want to go in with that?

00:01:20.080 Walk me through that one.

00:01:20.900 I was sitting in my new war room here, which, you know, I have about 10 people that I've identified to keep doing what I'm doing, and we were just spitting out names and different ideas.

00:01:34.020 And I think putting my name in it was something that most people wanted to do because I've already had one company stolen from me, so I think it's a little more difficult when your name is in it.

00:01:42.260 And it was just like O'Keefe Media, O'Keefe Media Group, and then there was that OMG, so it was like TMZ, OMG, oh, my gosh, you know, because kind of like the videos that we do, it's like, oh, my gosh, that's outrageous, right?

00:01:55.140 It creates righteous indignation, shocks the people, wakes them up.

00:01:59.120 That's what we want to do.

00:02:00.120 So we have a little logo there, and it's a subscription-based platform where, Jack, you can actually go on there, and for $1,000, you can actually sponsor a camera, one of our special cameras that we will put into the hands of the willing, because there have been probably 5,000 people that have emailed me over the last month that want to basically do what I do.

00:02:19.060 So now I'm going to basically create Uber for citizen journalism and get the cameras out where they need to go.

00:02:25.600 Well, that's actually incredible, and so what you're also doing that, and I actually didn't realize that when you did the first rollout, so that people can go in, and if you're someone who, okay, maybe you don't have, in the intel community, we would have said placement and access, right?

00:02:39.860 So placement and access obviously is the bread and butter of what you guys do on your journalism.

00:02:45.580 So you may not have placement and access, but you might want to fund that type of journalism.

00:02:50.620 You might want to monetarily support it.

00:02:52.580 And by the way, now, are there different tiers to this?

00:02:55.840 Is this something where people could maybe do like, you know, a $10 a month, $20 a month, whatever it is, et cetera?

00:03:00.900 Walk me through all that.

00:03:01.680 Yeah, there's going to be, right now, we're about to break some stories, like I always do, but if you go to this website, o'keefemediagroup.com, there's tiers.

00:03:12.500 You got $500, you get a certificate for a grand, you can buy a camera for five grand, you can get a video from me.

00:03:20.720 And then for 20 bucks a month, you can just subscribe.

00:03:22.360 And eventually, this website is going to have basically seminars on how to do this sort of journalism.

00:03:27.420 And my vision is eventually to arm thousands of people with these little cameras and teach them about ethics and how to use the cameras and so forth.

00:03:36.800 So we haven't built the website out fully, but people wanted me back in action.

00:03:40.400 I'm back in action.

00:03:41.300 I'll be breaking stories in the next week or so.

00:03:43.460 And people wanted to know how they could support.

00:03:46.160 So it's not a 5-1-C-3.

00:03:47.800 It's not a non-for-profit.

00:03:49.180 It's just a subscription-based news organization where the people that want to send their $20 can now do so.

00:03:55.640 They can subscribe to this website.

00:03:57.440 We will eventually build out the website as we create this content and these what I call masterclasses in how to do citizen journalism.

00:04:08.660 Well, I think that's really great because I get people all the time.

00:04:12.140 I'm sure you do, too.

00:04:12.840 They come up at events.

00:04:13.920 They come up at Turning Point events, CPAC, whatever we're at, and they say, hey, I love what you do.

00:04:19.480 I want to get started.

00:04:20.740 I want to do what you do.

00:04:22.340 How do you get started?

00:04:23.420 The first thing that I always tell people is just get out there and do it, right?

00:04:27.520 Don't sit back and wait for permission.

00:04:30.500 Don't think that you need – there are literally – we did a segment the other day talking about this, that if you get a press pass and you just go to your local city council

00:04:40.960 and you find out the contracts that are going through, there are stories everywhere.

00:04:45.880 Does that happen to you?

00:04:46.740 Do you get people coming up and asking you that kind of stuff?

00:04:49.420 Oh, I mean it's – yes.

00:04:51.020 I'm glad you brought that up.

00:04:52.100 The number one thing people always say is what can I do?

00:04:54.480 I've always said that.

00:04:55.280 But I also think people like to whine and they just – people – I mean I'll say it because it's – it's critical of the audience, but people just like to whine.

00:05:05.600 They like to complain, and a lot of people are complainers and whiners.

00:05:09.080 So this is my opportunity to put it back on them and say, oh, you want to do something?

00:05:12.660 Okay.

00:05:13.300 Well, how about you take one of these little cameras and we're going to give it to you, and if you live in – wherever you live, you're going to go to your city council meeting, your school board,

00:05:21.420 and you're going to start recording, and we'll help you do it, we'll guide you, we'll train you, we'll coach you, thousands of people.

00:05:27.480 Great.

00:05:27.780 We'll do it.

00:05:28.020 Let's do it.

00:05:28.360 Let's go.

00:05:29.180 And then they're like, well, I don't know.

00:05:30.640 And I said, well, you said you wanted to do this, so now put your money where your mouth is.

00:05:34.720 Actually, just me tweeting out, buy the little cheap Amazon version of the camera, like dozens of people bought it and they're willing.

00:05:42.400 And I think this experience that I've been through over the last month, breaking that Pfizer story and then being thrown out of the organization I founded,

00:05:49.980 has actually inspired a lot of people.

00:05:52.040 They feel more activated.

00:05:54.900 So, yes, I go to these events.

00:05:56.880 Everyone always asks, how can I help and support?

00:06:01.020 A lot of people, I think, just want to complain.

00:06:03.920 But I think there's a small minority of people who are fearless and willing,

00:06:08.540 and that is what this company, OMG O'Keefe Media Group, is designed to do.

00:06:14.280 It's we're going to train and mobilize an army of citizen journalists because power hates sunlight.

00:06:20.760 And they have awoken a sleeping giant.

00:06:24.180 And the only way to hold our leaders accountable, like you have an intelligence background,

00:06:28.460 is to find the people with the access, people that are in proximity to those people who have the – I call it testicular fortitude,

00:06:35.640 to get close, to record, to jump on the proverbial grenade, not literal grenade overseas,

00:06:42.240 but the proverbial grenade in Washington or wherever, and to record it and to show people the truth,

00:06:48.280 but to do it on a massive scale.

00:06:49.600 That's the mission of this organization, and I would ask your audience to go to the website and subscribe.

00:06:54.800 Just go up there, $20 a month.

00:06:57.120 Support us.

00:06:57.760 Support our mission.

00:06:58.640 We could really use the support.

00:06:59.540 What do you say to people who they would say – I'm sure one of the responses you'll get back,

00:07:05.060 and we always heard this as well because, look, even when I was in the intel community,

00:07:09.280 and I wasn't married yet, I didn't have kids yet, but they – you know,

00:07:12.400 you saw people that had been invested in for so long, and they would see the corruption.

00:07:17.180 They would see the things that were going on.

00:07:18.740 They would see the lies.

00:07:19.740 I remember Benghazi, and I remember sitting there behind my desk going,

00:07:22.960 I can – I know the president of the United States is lying.

00:07:25.660 I know that he's lying up there on TV on the – I can see the footage.

00:07:28.840 I can see that he's lying.

00:07:30.420 We can – but he's just – he's telling people the – you know, this falsehood.

00:07:34.460 But at the same time, you've got people saying, well, hold on a second.

00:07:37.620 You know, I'm five years away from my pension.

00:07:39.520 I got a retirement coming in.

00:07:41.020 I got bills.

00:07:41.960 I got health insurance.

00:07:43.380 What do you say to somebody like that who knows, you know, whether they're at Pfizer

00:07:49.000 or one of the banks, as we've seen this week, right, the complete insanity,

00:07:53.760 the mismanagement of these banks, someone who knows something that's going on,

00:07:57.340 but they're too worried about the repercussions of what will happen before they came out.

00:08:03.120 You also had, of course, at CPAC that incredible moment where the whistleblower from Pfizer came

00:08:08.620 forward with you on stage knowing, by the way, she's probably not going to be welcome back

00:08:13.400 in that industry anytime soon.

00:08:14.600 How do you get someone to take that next step?

00:08:17.960 That's a great question.

00:08:19.340 I wrote a whole book about this, but let me summarize.

00:08:21.780 You know, there's this, there's this old saying where if you go in one direction, you lose

00:08:26.640 your life.

00:08:27.560 If you go in the other direction, you betray your conscience.

00:08:31.160 But there is definitely a degree of suffering that goes along with, with truth telling.

00:08:37.060 Um, but you, but you maintain your own soul, right?

00:08:43.280 You, you're, you're, you're loyal to, to some greater thing.

00:08:47.180 And we're all going to die one day.

00:08:49.400 I don't hate to break the news to you, but life is short.

00:08:52.520 And I think more and more people right now want meaning in their life.

00:08:57.460 They want to actually make a difference more so now than ever before.

00:09:01.680 Most people are quite envious of my little ragtag group of people here at, at, at, uh,

00:09:07.460 OMG.

00:09:08.440 Um, because they're like, I want to do what you're doing.

00:09:12.000 Um, and I'm not asking for everyone to do it.

00:09:14.440 I mean, maybe 1% of the people that email me are actually willing to do it, but that's

00:09:17.920 a lot of people I've gotten like 10,000, you know, emails here in the last couple of weeks.

00:09:23.000 So that, that's a, that's a, you know, that's, that's a hundred people wanting to wear cameras.

00:09:27.460 Which will turn into a thousand people.

00:09:29.500 And to answer your question, they may be able to stop one person like me or Debbie, right?

00:09:34.600 But they can't stop an army of people.

00:09:38.020 They've that's never happened before.

00:09:39.280 Really?

00:09:39.700 I mean, there's been a few journalists here and there.

00:09:42.120 You've been doing good work.

00:09:43.980 Um, some of my colleagues, some of my former colleagues doing great work, but imagine thousands

00:09:51.480 and thousands of people sticking together.

00:09:53.640 That's what the powerful people fear.

00:09:55.340 Like thousands of whistleblowers coming out at the same time.

00:09:58.680 And yes, it's hard, but there's also a lot of grace that comes along with that so-called

00:10:03.220 suffering.

00:10:04.140 And you're, you're adhering to the truth.

00:10:06.240 You're being loyal to your conscience.

00:10:08.040 Some, sometimes the public's right to know is so great that it's worth the sacrifice inflicted

00:10:13.740 on you.

00:10:14.300 And there is a support network.

00:10:16.640 We are going to support you.

00:10:18.360 I will create seminars on ethics and, and legal primers and technology to support you.

00:10:24.580 And, and, and I, and I, I told Debbie, I was like, well, listen, Pfizer is going to have

00:10:29.000 to go through me to get to you.

00:10:30.480 Okay.

00:10:30.920 And if they go through me, they got an army of people by my side.

00:10:33.880 And Debbie was inspired to, to come out, um, as a result of what happens to me.

00:10:39.880 She was previously unwilling to go public.

00:10:42.600 Uh, she was afraid, but after I was thrown out of the organization, I found it a week

00:10:47.140 after the Pfizer story, she became inspired to go public.

00:10:49.860 And that was a really beautiful thing.

00:10:51.560 And I think there's going to be a lot more people to do the same.

00:10:54.320 Look, James, I mean, and, and if you're willing to share anything with us on that, people,

00:10:58.440 people are so confused.

00:11:00.480 It's like, it's like a rollercoaster and everyone's head is spinning with whiplash over this.

00:11:05.600 The Pfizer video drops this thing.

00:11:08.580 The last time I checked, it was at like 30 million.

00:11:10.800 And it's probably up to 50 million views at this point.

00:11:13.460 One of, if not the biggest project Veritas video that I've ever seen has come out.

00:11:18.820 One of the biggest stories, just an absolute apex moment.

00:11:22.360 And then suddenly, you know, the brakes are put on hold.

00:11:26.280 It feels like there's all this instability.

00:11:28.280 You leave the organization.

00:11:29.760 Can you walk us through those six weeks?

00:11:32.520 Just what was going on from your perspective?

00:11:35.000 Are you able to share that with us?

00:11:36.580 Well, I don't know if you guys saw my, um, my, uh, uh, remarks departing.

00:11:44.500 Did you, did you happen to see those?

00:11:46.000 It was about a 45 minute.

00:11:47.920 I mean, I, uh, I mean, that, that's basically what, what I have to say about the matter.

00:11:53.780 Um, and it was, I, I said it to my staff, 60 people, 65 people, and it was, um, and then

00:12:01.580 it was leaked.

00:12:02.580 I recognize that when I, you know, distribute a Vimeo link to 70 people, someone's going to

00:12:07.660 probably leak it, but I didn't leak it.

00:12:09.320 Um, you know, and that's what I have to say about the matter.

00:12:12.400 It's all there.

00:12:13.040 I'm, I never really paid attention to board governance.

00:12:16.560 I was the CEO.

00:12:18.160 Um, and I was taking responsibility for everything.

00:12:22.620 I kind of ran it in an orthodox way.

00:12:25.640 And so far as I was taking responsibility for everything, I did my yearly audits.

00:12:28.920 I had my quarterly financial statements.

00:12:31.200 Um, but it was, it was quite bizarre.

00:12:33.300 I just deal about black cars and sandwiches.

00:12:35.460 If you watch my ad for OMG, I actually get out of a black car and I, I throw a sandwich.

00:12:41.300 I was a homage to these really strange things.

00:12:44.720 Um, and I, and I've been the same man for 13 years.

00:12:47.820 I probably improved a bit.

00:12:49.480 Um, but I think in a media organization, in a media company, most media news organizations

00:12:56.080 are corrupted at the top in traditional newsrooms.

00:12:59.640 Journalists don't really do journalism.

00:13:01.460 Investigative journalism is a thing of the past because most organizations are

00:13:05.440 pursuing a profit or they don't understand how to run a balance sheet as it, when it pertains

00:13:11.920 to investigative reporting.

00:13:12.940 So having ethics and integrity is, is going to be critical.

00:13:16.120 Um, and sometimes it's not always profitable if you're trying to squeeze profit.

00:13:20.620 Uh, but I, I ran that organization.

00:13:23.300 I, I, I spent 14 years of my life, uh, building a credible news organization.

00:13:28.380 And, uh, and suddenly there was an emergency to oust me, uh, all of a sudden, which doesn't

00:13:35.040 make sense to me, it doesn't make sense to any of you, but I would, I would say to you

00:13:38.720 that I learned a lot from it.

00:13:40.340 Um, I'm going to be more effective as a result of it.

00:13:43.120 I've certainly seen a lot of evil and darkness, but I've also really seen a lot of good.

00:13:47.920 I've been able to identify a few people that are absolutely, I mean, amazing human beings,

00:13:53.600 uh, that I've gone through this with me and have been by my side and, and really, you know,

00:14:00.980 this is a movement that requires really strong people in their souls, absolutely unyielding,

00:14:08.240 won't bend at the knee, won't be pressured, uh, people that will do it for free.

00:14:13.540 Um, which, which, which some of us have been doing here, Jack, for the last couple of weeks,

00:14:18.840 um, you know, sleeping on the floor and eating pizza and doing what we have to do.

00:14:23.480 That's what we're doing over here because we believe in it.

00:14:26.640 And, and I think I'll be more effective as a result of this.

00:14:29.380 And I've learned a lot of things that will help me as I venture to the next level, which

00:14:34.640 is to equip thousands of people with the cameras, as opposed to just a couple dozen.

00:14:38.920 That's incredible.

00:14:39.620 And I appreciate you sharing with that with us and being as candid as you've been.

00:14:43.100 I mean, can you walk us through just what does the process there, what's the process

00:14:48.600 of that, of determining who those individuals are to start with your, your, I mean, it's

00:14:53.020 like your startup right now.

00:14:54.120 Basically you are a startup right now, um, that you are, you've gone through 13, 14 years

00:14:59.480 of your public career.

00:15:01.260 Now you're back at the beginning, right?

00:15:03.100 You, you, you've gone back to the start in a sense, but it's a new start.

00:15:06.680 Can you explain that process to us?

00:15:08.840 Well, I wouldn't say it's a start.

00:15:10.780 It is definitely a start up.

00:15:12.200 This is not a five, one C three.

00:15:13.960 This is a subscription based news news organization, and you will see stories in the coming days.

00:15:18.040 You might even see a story like tomorrow or Monday.

00:15:20.560 I mean, as I speak to you, these things are flying across the transom, even more from

00:15:26.120 Pfizer.

00:15:27.260 I mean, we have people inside Pfizer that only trust us.

00:15:29.960 They don't trust anybody else because they know that I'm not for sale.

00:15:33.680 They know that even though this is a subscription based news outs, news organization, no one

00:15:37.800 will, I'm operating without fear or favor.

00:15:40.220 No one will tell me what not to do and tell me what do do.

00:15:43.560 And I, and I own this.

00:15:44.680 There's no board of directors that own this right now.

00:15:47.980 Um, but I think to answer your question, if you go to this website about that, by the

00:15:51.520 way, because, because I haven't heard you say anything about that you're, I've never

00:15:55.460 seen to my knowledge, project Gartas, even in the past, I've never seen you take ads.

00:15:59.660 I've never seen you, uh, work with, with any of those types of, um, you know, programmatic

00:16:05.240 advertisements or anything like that.

00:16:06.760 And you're saying right now that you're not going into this with huge financial backing or

00:16:10.320 any of that stuff.

00:16:10.900 You're just asking for subscriptions.

00:16:12.040 No, I mean, I, we, I maxed out my credit card in the last, uh, week to, to, uh, and

00:16:18.220 my colleague, um, one of my brave colleagues who is volunteering put on his credit card,

00:16:25.860 the flight for Debbie to CPAC.

00:16:28.640 That's, that's what we're doing over here.

00:16:30.920 Okay.

00:16:31.360 Because we believe in it because my people are, we're working for free for the last two

00:16:35.780 weeks, myself included.

00:16:36.880 And that's fine because the people that are willing to do this are willing to do it for

00:16:41.580 free.

00:16:42.200 When I, I tweeted out, Hey, go buy these Amazon cameras.

00:16:45.640 And literally like a few dozen people bought them and say, I'm ready to go.

00:16:50.120 So, but the next level today, we're getting a few thousand subscriptions right now.

00:16:56.640 So I can make payroll and hire my people officially.

00:17:00.180 And for a thousand bucks, you can actually buy a camera for one of our sources.

00:17:06.660 And as I, my understanding is in the last two hours, I think a few, uh, how many people

00:17:10.780 do we have doing that?

00:17:11.440 Maybe a couple dozen have already put in those thousand dollar subscriptions so that we can

00:17:15.740 buy the camera.

00:17:16.800 So what I envisioned Jack is that eventually we're going to have seminars on ethics and

00:17:22.400 technology, legal primers so that we can, we can mobilize these people at these events

00:17:27.180 and put them to work.

00:17:28.480 That's my vision, uh, so that we can create a vast army of citizen journalists.

00:17:34.220 And then that will happen.

00:17:35.540 It's already happening right now.

00:17:36.820 Now, one thing, and I appreciate you mentioning that about, about Pfizer, about how there's

00:17:40.800 people who they don't feel trust, right?

00:17:45.020 Because when you're dealing with what we would call source management and source handling,

00:17:49.200 right?

00:17:50.140 People talk about sources and we use these phrases like placement and access.

00:17:53.780 Yes, we used to, you know, in the Intel community, we'd say human intelligence and source management,

00:17:57.760 confidential human at the end of the day, it's just people.

00:18:00.220 Okay.

00:18:00.620 It's just people.

00:18:02.260 And if you've got to hand off a source from someone that you have a trusted relationship

00:18:07.880 with someone who in many of these cases, you're opening yourself up to, you know, just in the

00:18:13.840 journalism side, legal liability, you're opening yourself up to political liability.

00:18:18.300 You might be fired, financial liability, all of this.

00:18:21.520 You cannot do that without a trust based relationship.

00:18:26.580 So James, when you're, when you're looking at take Pfizer, for example, these types of

00:18:31.260 relationships, how important is that source management?

00:18:34.740 Obviously, you know, seeing somebody like Debbie come out at on stage like that and present

00:18:40.000 herself to the entire world is, is the pinnacle of it.

00:18:42.500 But people don't understand, I think a lot of the audience may not even understand what

00:18:46.960 it takes to get someone from that first, that first email, that first text, that nibble

00:18:52.340 all the way up to being on stage next to you, if you know what I mean.

00:18:55.900 Well, I do know what you mean.

00:18:57.540 And it comes down to trust and, and it sounds like a cliche, you know, we hear the words

00:19:02.540 integrity and, and, um, our whole lives.

00:19:05.960 What does that mean?

00:19:07.000 Um, it means you do the right thing, you know, to quote the 60 minutes whistleblower,

00:19:12.800 Jeffrey Wigand interviewed by Mike Wallace in 1996, one of the most famous whistleblowers

00:19:16.680 of all time, right?

00:19:18.160 There's a whole movie about it called the insider with Al Pacino.

00:19:20.560 It's a great movie.

00:19:21.460 Love it.

00:19:22.100 And Jeffrey Wigand says to Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace said, why are you doing this?

00:19:26.400 And why again?

00:19:26.980 So why again said, because it's the right thing to do.

00:19:31.020 So it's doing the right thing.

00:19:33.000 Um, uh, and when you have nothing to gain from the transaction, it's an, and, and, and

00:19:39.980 in the problem in the for-profit news industry traditionally has been, if you're running it

00:19:43.880 like a business, you're going to squeeze every ounce of profit out of it and investigative

00:19:47.920 reporting.

00:19:48.460 Some of my stories have cost a million dollars to do.

00:19:51.080 Okay.

00:19:51.520 It's very expensive.

00:19:53.140 It takes months of the story we did, uh, you know, on the border of last year, I mean,

00:19:57.420 months and months and months and dozens of people.

00:19:59.740 And, and most people there's, it's sort of philanthropic work, right?

00:20:05.040 So, and then there's the fear factor that is to say you operate without fear or favor

00:20:11.200 to quote an old slogan.

00:20:12.500 I think it was from Pulitzer 120 years ago.

00:20:14.880 That means you operate without fear and you operate not partial to a particular policy.

00:20:21.960 Well, hell, I mean, 99% of the people in media, all they do is talk about their preference

00:20:26.980 for policy.

00:20:27.680 I just want the cold, hard facts.

00:20:30.280 So I think in source management, if you operate without fear, if you're philanthropically minded

00:20:34.680 and you're not shoving policy down my throat, you're just focused on the cold, hard facts.

00:20:40.680 I think we didn't engender trust with people.

00:20:43.420 And I think when it came to Debbie and you can, um, you know, she's my first whistleblower,

00:20:48.260 uh, in the last couple of weeks, she, she was inspired to, to go on that.

00:20:53.720 See, you were with me at CPAC Jack, she was inspired because she saw what happened and

00:20:59.200 she, you know, and I don't want to put words in her mouth, but certainly it's very suspicious

00:21:03.020 timing.

00:21:04.240 Um, and, um, she decided that, that, you know, she would follow.

00:21:08.560 And I think, uh, you can't, uh, you can't really philosophize courage.

00:21:12.460 You can't tell people to do something.

00:21:15.640 You have to do it yourself and then people will follow.

00:21:18.400 So it's kind of some momentum that we have right now with OMG and O'Keefe media group.

00:21:23.900 Thousands of people want to follow Debbie's footsteps, kind of a band of brothers to quote,

00:21:28.680 uh, Henry the fifth.

00:21:29.800 I know I texted you that, that quote from, from Shakespeare.

00:21:32.100 We're we few, we happy few band of brothers.

00:21:34.480 And that's what, that's what essentially this is.

00:21:37.960 Right.

00:21:38.480 And I think people have to realize that, I mean, you've walked towards the fire for the

00:21:45.260 entire time that I've known you, the challenges that come up, whether it be the New York times,

00:21:50.320 whether it be lawsuits, whether it be literal FBI raids, uh, coming at you, people have to

00:21:55.980 understand that when you're doing what James O'Keefe does on a regular basis, you have that

00:22:02.640 constant sort of Damocles that's just hanging above your head.

00:22:08.100 You don't know when that, when there was a knock at that door at five in the morning or

00:22:12.600 five in the evening, whenever it is, you don't know who's on the other side of that.

00:22:15.400 Right.

00:22:15.820 And that's always something that's the danger I think of living on the edge.

00:22:19.760 And that's why so many journalists today, they, you know, they, they go back into whatever

00:22:23.580 safe, they say, I'm just going to do the work of Pfizer.

00:22:27.480 I'm going to do the work that a big tech wants that Silicon Valley wants.

00:22:31.320 Well, let's take a look at Silicon Valley right now.

00:22:33.020 Does that seem like it's being run very well?

00:22:34.780 Let's take a look at the banking sector.

00:22:36.200 Let's take a look at pharma, all of this, it's all falling apart.

00:22:39.760 So, so James, what can people do when they, we see our government and we see our system,

00:22:45.660 not just government, but our whole system that seems like it's falling apart at the seams.

00:22:48.960 And yet all the people, how many people that go there, thousands of people every day,

00:22:53.060 they show up, they go to work, they check in, they clock in, they check out, they work

00:22:56.800 their eight hours, they come back.

00:22:58.220 Meanwhile, credit suites is falling apart.

00:23:00.140 You got banks falling apart left and right.

00:23:01.720 Gavin Newsom's bank, who doesn't even tell us, gets a bailout because he's pushing for

00:23:05.760 a bailout.

00:23:06.300 And guess what?

00:23:06.680 They bailed out his own bank because of course he does.

00:23:08.940 So I guess what I, what I, when I come back on the side of it is when we live in a time

00:23:12.820 of such corruption, when so many systems are going crazy, not to mention, not even to get

00:23:17.560 into the election stuff, because obviously we're getting close to, to 24.

00:23:20.860 So we know there's going to be a lot of elections coming up, but when you look at these types

00:23:24.760 of things, do you have any specific targets in terms of industries that you look at on

00:23:30.720 the horizon or potential leads in, uh, to different areas that you're looking at with OMG, as you

00:23:37.140 start out here?

00:23:37.740 Um, I would say all of it.

00:23:43.540 I mean, if you're every school board, every NGO, every three letter agency, every city

00:23:48.460 council, I think, I think this whole process with Pfizer has awakened a sleeping giant.

00:23:53.920 I've never seen anything like it in terms of people DMing me and messaging.

00:23:58.240 I mean, thousands say to hell with it.

00:24:00.540 I forget my nine to five, give me the camera.

00:24:03.180 Um, so I I've never seen that before.

00:24:06.760 Um, sometimes things happen for a reason.

00:24:09.140 So I think in the coming months, you'll see this army expanding into every state house,

00:24:13.120 every school board, everywhere.

00:24:14.640 People are conspiring to keep themselves in power and line and line their pockets with

00:24:19.800 tax dollars and there's, and their greed and their self-interest, um, is, is hurting

00:24:25.960 society.

00:24:27.320 That's the purpose of journalism.

00:24:28.820 And we all know real journalism has been dead for a long time now.

00:24:31.740 And when I got started, one of the biggest stories, Jack is, do you remember the acorn

00:24:35.320 story or the pimp and hooker two kids from the cast of high school musical three had to

00:24:39.740 break that story with their grandmother's chinchilla coat and $1,300 in credit card debt.

00:24:45.040 Where was the New York times?

00:24:47.140 I mean, it's going to require some sacrifices of people.

00:24:52.120 Um, it's going to require a leap of faith.

00:24:54.280 And I've taken that leap of faith.

00:24:57.120 I mean, I've, I've, I've been ousted from the organization I founded and I'm taking a

00:25:02.260 leap of faith that I'm asking people to take a leap of faith with me and my band of brothers.

00:25:06.780 I've got 10 elite journalists.

00:25:08.800 These are the best of the best of the best working with me right now.

00:25:13.340 And you can subscribe on the website, sponsor a camera, get access to our website.

00:25:18.140 We'll have more material for you very soon, but I think it requires taking a leap of faith.

00:25:22.900 And I think the real mission here is to give people hope.

00:25:25.940 I think that real miss mission is to give people hope and, um, get through this fear

00:25:32.620 that people are fearing, feeling, uh, people are very afraid.

00:25:36.620 So it's our job to find the people who are not afraid and create an army of citizen journalists.

00:25:42.680 Amen.

00:25:43.240 Now, now I got to ask, right, because, you know, I, and I follow you on social media.

00:25:47.700 I don't just share the stuff, but, but you at this picture with a right, you know, obviously

00:25:53.360 in the wake of Pfizer, someone who's been very outspoken at that RFK junior, you guys

00:25:57.720 looked like you were out hiking to me.

00:25:59.120 Like you're on the, on, on a huge hike, obviously on social media, you've been posting that you

00:26:03.560 go to the gym on a regular basis.

00:26:05.140 And if you can, for us, cause I got a little bit of time left with you here, walk me through

00:26:10.420 what's a day in the life of James O'Keefe.

00:26:12.700 Like, do you find that training, that physical fitness is a way for you to maintain?

00:26:18.440 Obviously you've got a huge, you've got so much hope, even in the face of everything

00:26:22.540 that's been thrown against you, you've got energy, you've got exuberance, you've got ambition.

00:26:27.600 Do you find that that comes through physical activity and do you find that helpful?

00:26:33.080 Walk us through just what's, what's a day in the life of James O'Keefe like?

00:26:38.460 Wow.

00:26:39.980 Well, I think that the biggest source of strength through this whole process has probably come

00:26:46.340 from God.

00:26:46.860 Um, and there's been a lot of grace afforded to me, although I've been through a lot of

00:26:55.600 pain in my life and everyone of us goes through pain, right?

00:26:59.480 We all experience pain different, differently, and we lose loved ones or, you know, get fired

00:27:05.440 from our jobs.

00:27:06.220 We all go through that.

00:27:07.760 Um, and to help answer your question, um, you know, my mentor, Andrew Breitbart died March

00:27:14.240 1st, 2012, arrested twice by the FBI, uh, three years on effective house arrest when

00:27:19.760 I was 25 to 28 years old, two federal jury trials in the last three years, constant defamation

00:27:25.620 over and over and over and over again.

00:27:28.320 In the very beginning, when I was 26, the Wikipedia page made me cry.

00:27:31.280 It was so horrible.

00:27:32.160 I mean, just literally stating the opposite of what is true.

00:27:35.080 And it just over and over again for so many years, it strengthens you for the next, for

00:27:40.380 the next one.

00:27:40.920 And then it strengthens you for the next one.

00:27:42.280 And I mean, I went through a horrible trial and in September of literally this past year,

00:27:47.420 two weeks in federal court with a, with a jury who was, it was just, it was just a horrible,

00:27:53.400 almost satanic experience.

00:27:56.640 Um, and that was actually harder than this.

00:27:59.940 All these things have strengthened me like a muscle in the gym.

00:28:03.960 You could call it spiritual muscle conditioning.

00:28:07.820 Uh, I would say that the spiritual fitness, that's right.

00:28:13.060 There you go.

00:28:13.820 Um, and, and I, I would say that those things have prepared me for the next one so that even

00:28:17.620 though ostensibly the most recent thing looks the worst being shackled and put in federal

00:28:23.040 prison was actually worse.

00:28:25.100 You know, being stuck in a courtroom for two weeks with jurors who want to kill you just

00:28:30.420 because they think they, they know they don't like your perceived politics.

00:28:34.320 I'm not sure what they thought that was worse.

00:28:37.940 Um, being alone on house arrest and having federal probation officers harass my family,

00:28:44.980 um, 12 years ago was a hundred times worse.

00:28:49.740 And I didn't have any money.

00:28:51.800 I had no support.

00:28:52.620 And I, and I managed to, we managed to be resilient in the face of those impossible odds.

00:28:58.080 So I think there's the spiritual aspect of this, which is a fight of good versus evil

00:29:04.220 now, obviously.

00:29:05.960 Um, and the evil has gotten worse and the good has gotten more good.

00:29:10.220 And I think there's also every, every day you have to take care of yourself.

00:29:13.440 You have to, whether it's an hour in the gym or hiking with RFK in Los Angeles, which I

00:29:19.160 did with him.

00:29:20.240 Um, he's a great man.

00:29:21.460 He's very smart.

00:29:22.420 He's been very supportive of me through this.

00:29:25.340 Um, I spent some time with him and he knows a lot about Pfizer.

00:29:28.820 He knows a lot about the United States government through letter agencies and what they're doing.

00:29:33.140 Um, I think it's very important that we take care of ourselves physically because our body

00:29:37.400 is our temple.

00:29:38.520 And, um, I make sure that every day I probably, at least for an hour to an hour and a half,

00:29:43.960 I do that.

00:29:44.660 Um, no, that's incredible.

00:29:47.620 That that's something that I got into.

00:29:49.600 Um, you know, I I'll admit when I was going through college, that wasn't something that

00:29:53.280 was, that was my focus.

00:29:54.600 I was, you know, I, I moved over to China.

00:29:56.880 I was, I was learning, learning Mandarin, finding out about the CCP.

00:30:00.520 But for me, it was when I joined the military and then started getting used to this general

00:30:05.040 regimen of, uh, physical fitness, watching your diet, understanding that, you know, God

00:30:12.080 gave you one health.

00:30:13.120 God gave, gives you one body.

00:30:14.660 God gives you one set of skills.

00:30:16.100 And it is up to us to maintain that, to perfect that, to continue to make it better.

00:30:22.340 And he didn't give us those things for us to just sit on the couch and do nothing with,

00:30:26.880 right?

00:30:27.060 He gave us those things for a reason.

00:30:28.600 This is the parable of the talents.

00:30:30.100 And so when I hear you talk about this, you're right.

00:30:33.300 It is, it's spiritual training.

00:30:35.020 It's physical training.

00:30:36.320 It's mental training because a lot of, look, you can, you can be physically strong.

00:30:40.840 You can be as physically strong as you want, but if you don't know how to respond when

00:30:45.100 somebody, you know, writes a hit piece on you or starts attacking you in the media or

00:30:49.400 not even on your level where they're going after you in court, where they're going after

00:30:52.460 you through legal processes, you will completely break down.

00:30:55.580 And I find that that's something that's sorely lacking in our society today.

00:30:59.340 And I think it's what's gotten us to this point.

00:31:02.260 And so if I could say anything about, about what you're doing with the new group, the fact

00:31:06.340 that you continue to fight for it.

00:31:07.900 And by the way, everyone who asked me that, and even, you know, we only chatted a little

00:31:12.440 bit, uh, when, when you were all dark on Twitter, et cetera.

00:31:16.080 And I was, people were asking me, is James okay?

00:31:17.820 Is James, I said, do you know anything about James O'Keefe?

00:31:20.500 He's going to be great.

00:31:21.620 He's going to be perfectly fine because he's been through 10 times worse than this.

00:31:26.700 And he's only going to bounce back stronger.

00:31:28.620 I'm asking what, don't ask me about James O'Keefe.

00:31:30.780 Ask me about yourself.

00:31:31.540 What are you doing?

00:31:32.380 What are you doing to get ready?

00:31:33.760 And so it's so great for me to hear that.

00:31:35.740 That's exactly what you're talking about with the OMG.

00:31:38.560 A lot of people want to live, maybe perhaps vicariously through me, uh, or they kind of want

00:31:43.400 to see my trajectory because, you know, the tip of the spear is, was one of the values.

00:31:48.920 Um, but I, I think there's a lot to say about that spiritual strengthening.

00:31:54.120 Um, the, the difficulties, the challenges of being in federal court, the litigation piece

00:32:00.780 has been, I mean, man, I've been sued dozens of times, deposed, doesn't, you know, dozen times,

00:32:06.700 um, key witness in so many different pieces of litigation.

00:32:11.800 Um, and I would say that that, that has been very challenging and, and, uh, um, and sometimes

00:32:18.640 taxing and Kafka ask it's, it's very difficult to, for a, for a, for a man to, uh, maintain

00:32:28.140 a sense of sanity in the face of that.

00:32:31.260 When you're, when you're confronted with so much gaslighting, you have to have a firm

00:32:34.880 constitution, you have to have a strong sense of identity, a strong sense of right and wrong.

00:32:39.600 You can't bend the knee.

00:32:40.780 You have to stick by your guns, particularly in politics, which I don't consider myself

00:32:44.520 a great political person.

00:32:45.460 But, um, in politics, there's a lot of phony people.

00:32:48.200 There's a lot of people who are in it for the cloud or the fame or whatever you want to

00:32:51.780 call it.

00:32:52.620 And, and they're, they're not approaching things from a rational perspective.

00:32:56.580 So it's, it is, it is a very unique journey, but, um, I'm doing great.

00:33:01.300 Um, I'm, I'm stoked for this project.

00:33:03.520 I've got so many things to do as I'm sitting, talking to you, this is quite a long segment.

00:33:08.920 I'm getting dozens of emails of people that are like, get me the camera.

00:33:12.960 I want to expose X, Y, and Z. 0.96

00:33:14.960 So I'm just ready to get to work.

00:33:16.780 That's, that's what I'm focused on right now.

00:33:18.960 By the way, the, uh, that, the, that book Kafka.

00:33:21.800 So the trial, and everyone should go read the trial by Kafka, but I don't know if, uh, I

00:33:26.100 forget if I mentioned this with you, maybe it was on with Charlie, but I recently found out

00:33:29.760 that the German title of the trial by Kafka, I actually think it's better.

00:33:34.760 The German title is called dare process.

00:33:37.620 It's just called dare process.

00:33:39.160 It's, and it's so perfect because throughout the entire book, he, he's never even informed

00:33:44.120 what it is that he's been charged with.

00:33:45.900 He's never, he doesn't, it's not explained to him what he's accused of being done, but

00:33:50.100 of course they have their informant and they have their evidence and they have their accusations.

00:33:53.440 And here's your lawyer.

00:33:54.580 Here's what you can say.

00:33:55.280 Here's what you can't say.

00:33:56.340 And so if you haven't been through a trial like that, if you haven't been put into this

00:34:00.240 system, people need to understand the process is the punishment.

00:34:04.600 The process is you tweeted that out after my FBI raid.

00:34:09.360 And, um, it was very much a sort of Damocles that was very difficult.

00:34:13.840 Um, because what it's designed to do is it's designed to instill fear in you like a perjury

00:34:18.600 trap and what you, you're not supposed to continue.

00:34:20.860 I continue, I mean, that was three years ago almost, and I continued going.

00:34:26.000 Um, but you know, you get the criminal defense lawyers and then they say, well, you're not

00:34:29.280 supposed to say anything or do anything, hide in your apartment, you know?

00:34:32.100 So it's just this fear-based approach to living.

00:34:35.860 But the, the sort of Damocles, that's a very apropos metaphor, which is like to say after

00:34:41.020 that happened, I mean, the, for the FBI to raid your home is a very aggressive thing and

00:34:46.820 it scares the hell out of you.

00:34:48.560 And I was the, one of the first journalists in the United States history to ever be raided

00:34:52.540 by the FBI so much so that the ACLU and the reporters committee have come out in my defense

00:34:57.020 and requested these affidavits remain unsealed.

00:35:00.020 So yes, it's Kafkaesque because they would never do that to the New York times or CNN.

00:35:04.520 They could never do that.

00:35:05.780 And it's the injustice of all of it.

00:35:07.720 If you're, if you're a man that cares about justice, the injustice, it can, it can really

00:35:12.620 hurt you spiritually. 0.66

00:35:15.140 It can discourage you.

00:35:17.260 It can make a normal man lose his mind.

00:35:20.220 That is why the people that are signing up on this website have to be strong people.

00:35:26.440 They have to be really strong and have an incredible sense of self, an incredible sense of right

00:35:33.860 and wrong.

00:35:34.640 That's what this is really about, isn't it?

00:35:36.460 It's about the line in the sand, the line that separates good and evil runs through each

00:35:40.840 and every human heart, not through states or political parties, but each and every one

00:35:44.840 of us, that line is drawn in our hearts.

00:35:47.240 And it's in the, and it's drawn in the hearts of the, of the people that we expose here at

00:35:52.000 OMG and the evil and the lies and the malfeasance and the line that the pocket, the pockets with

00:35:58.340 tax dollars, that's what we expose. 0.97

00:36:00.580 And the only hope for society is a citizen army and holding the institutions accountable.

00:36:06.040 You can do that.

00:36:06.740 You can go to this website right now and help us sponsor a camera.

00:36:10.460 And you've known me for 14 years.

00:36:12.120 You know that I don't quit.

00:36:12.980 I don't give up.

00:36:14.100 Um, and, um, I'm going to make this bigger and badder and we're going to change the world

00:36:18.640 together.

00:36:20.360 James, I really appreciate it.

00:36:21.740 Thank you so much.

00:36:22.580 Is there any, any last message that you have for us for the entire community before you

00:36:26.900 head off today?

00:36:30.100 Stay tuned.

00:36:30.840 We'll have a story in the next couple of days.

00:36:33.280 Amazing.

00:36:33.880 James O'Keefe, the, the founder, do you even have an official title yet there?

00:36:39.180 Founder and CEO.

00:36:41.000 Founder and CEO of the O'Keefe Media Group, okeefemediagroup.com.

00:36:46.100 James, thank you so much for your time with us today.

00:36:48.600 Thank you.

00:36:50.120 Appreciate it.

00:36:50.840 All right, folks, remember the website is O'Keefe Media Group, okeefemediagroup.com.

00:36:57.400 Incredible interview going inside the mind of James O'Keefe to give us the truth about

00:37:03.200 everything that's happened over the past six weeks and more.

00:37:07.400 One thing's for sure, James, whatever you do going forward, be there with you.

00:37:13.540 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

00:37:16.380 One thing's for sure.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - March 19, 2023

SUNDAY SPECIAL： THE TRUTH ABOUT JAMES O'KEEFE

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