SUNDAY SPECIAL: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT GANGSTERS WITH KASH PATEL
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Former Chief of Staff to President Donald Trump and founder of Fight With Cash, Jack Doran Patel, joins the show to discuss the recent release of the Rodger Zelinski Memo, the Russiagate report, and the impact on the Russiagate narrative.
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ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard to this human events sunday special we are very excited to bring
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on for you once again the man who is fighting the fake news media one lawsuit at a time former chief
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of staff for the dod deputy assistant to president trump the russia gate guy best-selling author the
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founder of fight with cash.com and i think he's got the shirt on for us let cash let us see it let's
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see it there it is fight with cash i was i was joking before ladies and gentlemen it's of course
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cash patel so i was uh i i was joking beforehand that we most we must have both gotten the zelinski memo
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for the uh the apparel today you know it's it's sweeping i don't know i don't know what it is but
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then you pointed out that you got you got to fight with cash so were you first or was he first
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oh we were definitely first at the cash foundation he's just knocking us but he gets more money from
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the government than i did so he's knocking off you right all right because he yeah but he goes and
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does the whole thing it's like we're gonna do this we're gonna do this and you know and even even when
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they lose you just get more money which is amazing i never i never thought they used to call that the
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sunk cost fallacy but i don't know so so cash i had to get you on because we have just seen the release
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of the durham report and of all the people that i know um uh colonel harvey general flynn
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devin nunez etc you were the guy the star of the the plot against the president you had your your
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fingers on this investigation in the earliest stages of basically the counter investigation
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investigation into russiagate uh you put out the memo back in 2018 of course we all saw that we had
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to fight to release the memo it finally did get released and then we all saw the truth now durham's
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come out with his report and i'll give the media credit because they did actually they reported on
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it they there was actually widespread reporting on the durham report the way that there wasn't really
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when it came to the memo and i think there's reasons for that that i want to get into but what are
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you what is your take do you think the durham report did what it needed to do uh did you like
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what it did did you want it to do more the floor is yours uh thanks jack it's great to be back with
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you on your show look i think you have to look at the durham report um through two lenses political
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and then you know what did it do for accountability and law enforcement and the like from an investigatory
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standpoint politically and i'm not the political guru but it unequivocally stated that president trump
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is completely exonerated from any of the russiagate narrative that hillary clinton the democrats and
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the fbi advance it also unequivocally stated that the fbi was never justified in launching
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the investigation in the first place into the trump campaign and later the trump presidency
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those are two pretty powerful message points that president trump can run with for 18 straight months
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and the reason they're powerful is because it alludes to one of the things you said four or
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five years ago the media didn't cover this but they're covering the durham report right now
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you know even chuck todd and um that doofus on cnn i can't remember his name right now
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but even those people are saying that this is devastating by the way doofus at cnn it's like man you
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have to narrow it down a little bit uh probably either tapper or jim shudo yeah yeah yeah that's it
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sorry that's it and but so for a political perspective you're speaking to an audience
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that just thought we have been lying to them as conspirators for the last five years so that's
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politically valuable invaluable and i think he gets that out there because they're going to do it again
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they did it with the 51 intel letter steel dossier 2.0 and they're already doing it again so now we've
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caught them and we have a platform to say no this happened multiple times to rig elections from a law
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enforcement investigatory standpoint you know i know john durham um i'll tell you probably for one
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of the first times on your show i was actually asked to sit down in a skiff with john durham for
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about a day and a half by bill bar when he was first appointed special counsel so i can tell him
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as the guy that ran the russia gate investigation and a former federal prosecutor here are all the
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things i found here are the things i wanted to find out more about but didn't have the authorities
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as a doj prosecutor does and here are all the referrals we're going to make you for potential
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violations of the law to include lying to congress conspiracy fraud etc so it's just like this dump
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brain dump you know well walk us through that for a second there because not everyone in the audience
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we don't know not everyone has your your background what is the difference between your level of
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investigation and then the level of investigation that a special prosecutor had yeah look two different
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branches of government legislative versus the executive and when it comes to investigative powers the
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executive owns it rightfully so the fbi the doj dea whatever all these agencies cia etc on the
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legislative side you have constitutional oversight mandated to congress by our founding fathers now
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they do have some compulsory service of process everybody now knows about subpoenas but it's different
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than when you're a doj prosecutor issuing a subpoena and impaneling a grand jury before i got to the
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house intel committee to run russiagate that committee had issued one subpoena it's an entire 40 year
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existence we issued 17 for russiagate we had to fight paul ryan to do so because he didn't want to
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do it but when people in the trump administration like rosenstein and ray and all these people that i
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you know classify as government gangsters violated the subpoenas we didn't have much recourse right
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they were just like we're not listening to you the media is going to help cover it up anyway so it
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doesn't matter if you violate a doj subpoena this the uh united states marshal service comes and
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arrests you and throws you in jail and brings you before a federal judge now you can ultimately get
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there as the jan 6 committee showed us the power of congressional subpoenas but you have to have the
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backing of the speaker to take it on and paul ryan just didn't want us to do that we found unique ways
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to see some pieces of fbi funding and force out the documents that you saw in the material in the
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nunez memo in our report later but that was a months long fight we had to do i even had to take
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these guys to federal court to get the fusion gps bank records to show the world that i wasn't lying
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about hillary clinton paying for it these you would have thought would have been oh where's the fbi
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where's the doj on this well they were in on it so that's why they didn't use their compulsory
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service process so john durham had all those powers as a prosecutor and this is one of my biggest
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critics of his report he lays out like eight names comey strock page mccabe priest staff simpson
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clinesmith and a couple others these are the architects of russiagate from within the fbi doj
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and from within the hillary clinton camp in political circles and he never subpoenaed them
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it's it's mind-boggling to me you as a prosecutor the prosecutor creating the investigation and how it's
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to be conducted have targets of investigation and or witnesses of an investigation and you just say
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oh you don't want to talk to me okay no big deal we just we'll just do it without you
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i don't know it's just and it's not like they're you know it's not like they're you know uh i don't
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know uh you know uh they're they're just missing they're on the lam somewhere they're they're sitting
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right in their offices right they're not like they're not like hiding it's not like snowden where
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you know he makes it to hong kong and then he makes it to russia that putin's giving him uh you
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know safe harbor and all this like like no no they're just they're just sitting right there
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yeah and so from a legal perspective that i was talking about earlier that is just a catastrophic
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failure as a prosecutor there is no evidence it reminds me of the new information that just came
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out about the pop about the uh so-called pipe bomber from january 6th we actually have videotape of the
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guy and the fbi hasn't done anything to go find him and we have his license plate this is akin to
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what john derham did you've got all the witnesses right there all you have to do is say here's a
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subpoena you now have to come and talk to me and if you don't you'll get thrown in jail and it by the
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way i i can't let i can't bury the lead on that one because every single tv show you watch when you're
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like okay there's the shooter and uh all right now we've we've got him on the cctv footage and he's
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walking into this tunnel okay now he's getting off the subway he's gonna have the dc metro okay now
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he's going into this car we're gonna follow the car zoom and enhance zoom and enhance license plate
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right there that's how everybody at like we're told from mainstream media that this is the way the
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national security state works when you're watching homeland when you're watching jack bauer
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when you're watching whatever you know every single show that comes out i feel like every other
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show at least is about the fbi the cia they're all doing this all day long and yet in reality which is
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what you're outlining for us they have that technology and yet it's the bureaucracy or this
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higher up level that is stopping it in certain cases yeah and that's it's inexplicable in the january
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six case where you have an allegation of pipe bombs being planted outside dnc and rnc office spaces and
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you have the videotape the license plate and where the guy got off at the subway stop and you don't do
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anything with durham it's equally as inexplicable for him not to seek out these individuals clinesmith
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just for an example was the guy that pled guilty during the durham investigation to doctoring a document
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and lying to the federal court in the fisa surveillance uh warrant and saying oh we're
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just gonna lie to you and get this warrant anyway and no one's gonna ever catch us he didn't go talk
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to that guy not only that when you plead guilty because do we really think that he did that by himself
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right he didn't go to court and trial and lose he pled guilty john derm didn't secure his continued
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cooperation i don't understand that it's in every plea agreement you will cooperate with the
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united states government and when called upon you will comply and if you don't we'll send you back
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to prison that's what happens with criminals and it's just inexplicable so i don't know why he didn't
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do that he masterfully put together a 307 page prosecution memorandum but he forgot to attach the
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charging document on page 308 and to me that's inexplicable he owes congress and the american public
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answers i know he's going to be up there i'm not sure when i'm now hearing it won't be till august
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because they want to work through the rest of the durham investigation and i'm actually okay with that
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if these committees start subpoenaing the individuals we just talked about and put them
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on blast front and center so that they can do the work that john durham didn't do now when when also
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looking at this is there is there obviously um some play between because he's a special prosecutor
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um does the ag does ag garland have the ability to influence his prosecutorial decision or not
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not just influence it per the prosecution regulations that stand up any special counsel
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the ag is in charge the ag can say you can bring this case you can't bring this case he can say
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you can write this report you don't have to write this report remember there's a classified addendum
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to the report that well i haven't seen i don't know who's seen it but it's not public and i understand
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why it might need to be classified but just go check joe biden's garage over in her home with
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yeah his camaro or corvette or whatever that thing is um and so you are an employee of the attorney
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general who reports directly to the attorney general and i don't understand why he john durham
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glad-handed garland in the first couple of pages that's when i knew it was going to be a failure
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the first couple of pages he was talking about how amazing the doj and garland and everybody was
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that showed me everything i needed to know that john durham turned out to be an institutionalist
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just like comey and mccabe and barr and rosenstein and ray and he cared more about protecting the
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institution instead of destroying this man and i can't stress this enough this was the one man in u.s
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history that had the opportunity to destroy the two-tier system of justice that the far left and
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media have stood up and built over the last 10 years the one guy and he failed so now we got to
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wait for 2024 ladies and gentlemen we are talking to the one and only cash patel we'll come right back
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as our conversation continues here on human events sunday special
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all right cash you've mentioned it a couple of times already but we have to dig in now
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government gangsters uh the book that we're not allowed to read apparently
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tell us what is the book and what is this current status because every time i hear about this thing
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i'm like i want to read the book now i can't read the book yeah no thanks for letting me talk about
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government gangsters my book that i wrote and finished in october of last year and as most of your
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audience knows as a former government employee and as you know you submit it back to the government so
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they can review it and i agree with that process they want to have a check for you know possible
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classified information and protecting people's privacy totally agree with that it's a process that
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takes three months i'm on month eight i submitted my manuscript to the department of defense in
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october or the end of october so let's give them november just to be fair let's say they got it in
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november i'm now on month seven plus and they have not released my manuscript they sent it to more
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agencies and departments than i've ever heard of so not only did dod chop on it they sent it to fbi
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doj state department cia nsa and i'm like okay that's fine why aren't you releasing it and when
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we did the pre-order on it and you can do it go to government gangsters right now and order it
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donald trump called it the roadmap to winning back the white house in 2024 and here's what i did in
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there it's not a you're bad because you're democrat and you're good because you're republican i think i
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call out more republicans than democrats it's if you held a position in any agency or department
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and utilize that position to either get in bed with big tech and censor free speech rig presidential
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elections use the law enforcement intelligence apparatus to unlawfully surveil americans or do
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any of that style of work i call you out on it and i show the people that were responsible for those epic
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failures and unlawful activity and then more importantly i go chapter and verse on how we fix every agency and
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department and that's why i call them government gangsters though because that's literally what
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they are they're people who are akin to the mafia on the outside who embedded themselves in the u.s
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government and basically crippled president trump's presidency and his agenda for the four years he was
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there because they took it upon themselves to usurp the constitution and say no we're in charge not
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the duly elected president of the united states and we sued the department of defense in federal court two
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weeks ago this is where we are i have to file get more lawyers pay more money and sue them to force
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my manuscript now we haven't heard back from them with finality yet but i'm hoping that this is out
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the late this summer but can you just think of that you write a book and it takes 10 months for the
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public to read it that's what they want they want to cripple the book they don't want it out there
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because i call out millie and ray and rosenstein and esper and everybody else gina haspel and so
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many others and they don't want that they they just don't you know and and of course you know all
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these other guys but in the meantime by the way comey and mccabe and struck and all these guys
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they're putting out their books left and right and you have to imagine that if somebody okay just
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take homey for example and he's got he's got his novel out right now he's like going to be a novelist
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right he's done with with with defending america he's going to go write novels it's like a mystery
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novel or something i'm very excited can't wait to read it i read jake tapper's mystery novel by the
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way and wrote like an epic tweet thread of it and then he unblocked me on twitter just so he could
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read my review of of jake tapper's novel and i actually did read the whole thing i can post it
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excerpts and everything um that you'd imagine for the department okay so this guy is the head of the
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department he's the director of the fbi it would take much longer you would assume to
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go through his book if he's writing his memoirs about his entire career because uh he was doj
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before that he was sdny he did so many positions in government you have to send it to all those
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but it seems like comey's book came out suddenly extremely quickly plus by the way it referred to
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something and there is a piece by the way in comey's book that it actually occurs to me that comes up later
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in the durham report where he's talking about the cia had this classified piece of information
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that he got from uh and he was he was briefing it to leticia james that said that the russians
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had information that hillary clinton was planning on uh was planning on using a false russia collusion
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conspiracy to smear president trump and somehow the russians had actually gotten intel of that and so
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you've got this is like the spy on spy stuff so the spies at the cia are looking at the russian spies
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reading their message traffic finding out what's going on but as you and i well know anything that
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comes through cia cables that's ocs that might be ocsg that might be uh this is this is very very highly
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classified yet comey is able to report that in his book so how does he get a ruling on that out of cia
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which i mean you know we we know the answer here but he's able to get an answer on that out of cia
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for something that clearly came from human intelligence that we more than likely uh i guess had at one
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point this is what 2015 2016 in the kremlin so he's able to get source from a human informant
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inside the kremlin that's able to come out in his book but you're not able to get yours out just for
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talking about the russian investigation yeah it's just it's everything it's russiagate it's
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baghdaddy it's american hostages it's agencies collecting information on on americans unlawfully
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doj fbi it's everybody and maybe that's why they don't want it out and i'll give you one more
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example john bolton former national security advisor i think he's right oh yeah the bolton book i forgot
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that one he literally just released it he didn't complete the review process he actually put out
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classified information and the doj under biden dropped the investigation into bolton about classified
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information and they didn't go and take his profits because that's what happens if you just
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put out the book not only will they prosecute you for leaking classified information supposedly
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they'll take all of your profits but bolton gets a free pass but when it comes to me in my book
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look it's coming out governmentgangsters.com it's on pre-order right now i'm doing something never
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been done in the book industry i'm personalizing messages on books if you want happy birthday messages
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if you want to me write out the alphabet i'll do it go to governmentgangsters.com pre-order the book
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and as soon as it hits the shelf we'll ship it to you that's crap pete rose used to do that with uh
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with baseballs you could you could get him he would write whatever you wanted it was just he would
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write he would literally write whatever you wanted but walk me through your theory of the case on here
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because look i saw this in the intel community on on that side of the ball that it it's so important
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what you said right there that it's not republican democrat it's not left right because you've got
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people in there and and like i said every hollywood movie every netflix show every what amazon hulu
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whatever the other streamings are out there it's all the governments the secret agent and they're
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there to help you and the spies are keeping america safe while you're sleeping and jack bowers
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killing terrorists you don't even know it's all happening around you but you don't even know what
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they're doing cash what is it really like in there what are they really all about well you know when
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when you you specifically know when you go into government service to perform what i say is the
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mission first mentality that's what it's about where that process is lost is when you have these
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government gangsters come in and i don't just mean they're cabinet secretaries i'm talking 10 15 rungs
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down the ladder below them at every agency department they get together and they say no no no
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we are going to violate the chain of command and our commander-in-chief because we don't personally
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like donald trump so we're going to slow roll this operation we're going to bootstrap that policy
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with uh destructive rhetoric we are going to call congress and say president trump is going to destroy
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relationships with our foreign adversaries and allies uh if this comes out or that goes that way
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and they get these agencies and departments to collectively grind the u.s government to a halt
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because they'd rather see america fail and their ego succeed than put the mission first like you did
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and so many other people do and that's i'm not saying all of government or most of government it's a
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minority in government that qualifies as a government gangster but this minority unfortunately has the
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biggest criminal co-conspirator in u.s history the media the fake news mafia to perform their dirty
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work for them whether it's russia gate jan 6 ukraine impeachment one ukraine impeachment two i mean
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biden document scandal mar-a-lago whatever right it just keeps coming the 51 hunter biden intel letter
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it keeps coming and that just proves to you and me and the audience they're still there we didn't get
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rid of them and if you want to get rid of them and you want the fbi and doj restored to a one-tier
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system of justice and you don't want the intelligence community spying on american citizens and oh by the
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way did you see this chris ray got caught unlawfully surveilling through the fisa process
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278 000 americans last year alone 278 000 americans were illegally spied upon through the fisa process
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by chris ray's fbi and that guy's still fbi director he is the quintessential example of a
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government gangster who gets rewarded in the media because they're all looking at you know
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maga domestic violent terrorists and people who are going to commit insurrection and that narrative
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gets pushed out and these guys keep their jobs so this is why i'm all in and have been all in for
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president trump it's the only way to get rid of these people and i i i appreciate it because you
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know when i was in the intel community experiencing it myself and i would say you know they'd come in
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like they'd sort of like ask you what your politics are and i'm like i'd be like yeah like i'm a
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conservative and so i said well like who cares like i'm just here i was a china guy right i'm focused on
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like i'm like practicing my mandarin i'm like finding out what's going on in south china sea find out what's
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going on in taiwan uh and i'm like why are you guys like who cares why are you even want to and they
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would they would always leave on in the middle of the day you'd go in and be like hey shouldn't we
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be watching i would i would always say this i always bring this one up i would say shouldn't
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we be watching chinese media to find out what's going on in china every day and they'd say no
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we need to watch msnbc and cnn msn there's one tv with msnbc and one tv with cnn it's like
00:23:40.780
for what like why are we watching our own domestic
00:23:44.060
news and i would i would bring that up and they'd be like oh this guy he's trying to
00:23:48.140
trying to go native he's trying to listen i was like you're an insurrectionist
00:23:51.780
yeah i mean yeah right right now i'm insurrectionist i'm crazy and it's like no like i i want to know
00:23:57.060
what the chinese government is pushing because that will give me insight into what's currently
00:24:02.180
important to them and what their strategic objectives are the same way that if you watch
00:24:06.580
like russian tv you would see what the russians want you to like what they find important don't
00:24:11.740
you think that as analysts that maybe strategic intent might be something that we would consider
00:24:16.560
that's too smart that's and suddenly right and so suddenly i i i make those comments and i i got
00:24:22.140
written up for that i actually got written up for suggesting that well you know what that means you
00:24:26.740
were doing your job people are always like oh where are all your government awards i go the fact that
00:24:30.300
i have none means i did my job for democrats exactly and it's it's this cabal that when you get to
00:24:36.720
it's a click right it's like a click that when you get to dc and this is what people need to
00:24:40.340
understand that when you get to dc when you understand that the highest level are the government
00:24:44.160
gangsters that you are talking about they understand and this filters all the way down
00:24:48.420
that if you want to be on that leadership track if you want to move up the gs ladder if you want to
00:24:54.240
get to 14 if you want to get to 15 if you want to get to ses if you want appointments then you got
00:24:59.100
to play the game then you have to do exactly you got to get in the gang you got to get in the gang
00:25:05.220
absolutely and uh they've mastered that art at every agency and department and the american people
00:25:13.000
just need to decide do you want it to continue do you want the two-tier system of justice
00:25:16.660
to go on or do you want it to end now we've proven it to them and that was the hard part but the
00:25:22.360
harder part is winning 100 all right coming back uh take another break here we've got cash patel for
00:25:29.600
all right we're back now cash earlier this week axios.com wrote a piece what jack smith knows
00:25:41.820
what does jack smith know so jack smith he's the special prosecutor he's wrapping up his criminal
00:25:47.340
investigation into whether former president trump mishandled classified documents keep in mind
00:25:52.040
this is the guy that back in 2020 jack smith he was a prosecutor at the hague going over war crimes
00:25:59.640
in like kosovo and and all this stuff and now you know they bring him in from the war crimes trials
00:26:06.360
at the hague down to mar-a-lago and he's going to look into this question as you mentioned before
00:26:13.380
talking about this idea of the handling of classified information which you take seriously i took seriously
00:26:20.360
we all take seriously it is drilled into you from day one when you get a security clearance that you will
00:26:27.260
take the handling of this very very seriously and i'd like just spotless record when i was in
00:26:34.600
of of handling whether i was in the field whether i was deployed whether i was on ship when i was at
00:26:39.900
quantanamo bay um you know you're using the pouches all of it double lock pouches etc etc
00:26:45.500
it's it's what you do it's just what you and it becomes a way of life whether it's notes
00:26:49.740
whatever it is whether it's conversations on the right phone you know are you on zipper you on jwix
00:26:54.240
whichever it is and so jack smith though they bring him down to mar-a-lago and and so the the the best
00:27:02.320
line that i heard on all of this wasn't even from anyone in in government or anyone who had a
00:27:08.240
background of this at all it's from my wife and my wife tanya tay who who you know she comes from
00:27:14.320
eastern europe and she was born in the soviet union and she came in and say the day that they
00:27:19.540
raided his house she said oh i've seen this one before i've seen this movie a movie a hundred times
00:27:26.040
right you know it starts with the raid and then there's the investigation and then come
00:27:32.700
the charges and so and there's always some like you know there's some charges and it's you know the
00:27:38.300
case is oh it's it's you know it's it's very it's nebulous it's whatever it is there's credit
00:27:42.940
it'll be called some kind of corruption etc and then basically that person just goes away and you
00:27:49.480
never hear of them again and that's how they used to do it in the soviet union and in that part of
00:27:55.400
the world it's it's kind of how they still do it in many cases but here we are in the united states
00:27:59.960
and that's what she said she said i just never thought i would see something like that happening
00:28:04.400
into in the united states she said that's that's what i got away from that's why i came to the united
00:28:09.400
states because this is a place where you can actually have opportunity and start a family
00:28:13.480
and and work and be able to have freedom and live your life uh they don't have that over there and
00:28:19.580
in many cases they have no idea what it's like but stuff like this they absolutely know what it's like
00:28:25.020
but the tragedy is and i'm looking for uh this this rick runnell put up some great posts about jack
00:28:31.980
smith that i really want to get to you apparently he was involved in a bunch of like nefarious
00:28:36.280
activities as a as a guy with doing dealing with kosovo and rick would know that since he was our
00:28:41.280
special on he was our special envoy right kosovo and serbia and brokered the peace deal he knows
00:28:46.860
about this directly and it hasn't gotten every coverage and that's why i was trying to pull it
00:28:50.420
up but i'm not quick enough with my with my hands but with jack smith and with so he actually calls
00:28:56.420
it he actually called on may 20th the the charges against the president of kosovo phony he said it was
00:29:05.140
terrible journalism from abc to just be writing this these hagiographies of him that's my word not
00:29:11.060
his uh about jack smith saying that they were actually phony charges um okay this is way you're
00:29:20.000
right this is like way in the weeds here um it's yeah he's saying why did you do this um he's treated
00:29:26.600
president thachi uh you know very unfairly he's not implemented the point or nato ally albania has
00:29:33.300
the prime minister who's very upset the council of europe the council of europe actually called
00:29:39.140
out jack smith's total political and phony investigation of another president there are
00:29:44.880
charges by witnesses that jack smith and his team used fake cia operatives to intimidate foreign
00:29:50.900
weaknesses okay witnesses okay uh i'm reading that right now i'm like i gotta get grinnell on because
00:29:57.620
i don't understand what he's talking about there specifically but it sounds like he's got a little
00:30:01.040
i just wanted to highlight it for you because rick has been talking to me about and i'm like man i
00:30:04.480
don't understand all that but what it does show me as a former federal prosecutor who did national
00:30:09.280
security work is why is this guy who's knee deep in prosecuting war criminals supposedly around the
00:30:16.520
world plucked out of the hague and brought back to run a national security case involving classified
00:30:23.000
documents that guy hasn't been near classified material in decades but the answer to that question
00:30:29.680
is one that merrick garland only knows he handpicked this guy to be special counsel for a reason he
00:30:36.560
wanted the mar-a-lago investigation run a certain way and unlike durham who was not appointed by
00:30:45.120
merrick garland jack smith was and he flies over and then he subsumes the ranks and he rolls down to
00:30:52.800
mar-a-lago and we've seen them conduct an investigation on a two-tier system of justice when you
00:30:58.480
juxtaposition what they did to biden and how they've treated president trump america's finally
00:31:04.960
starting to see yet again the russia gate narrative play out before our very eyes and if they go out and
00:31:12.400
charge president trump it will be the singular biggest mistake this department of justice has made
00:31:18.480
in its entire history and it might just hand president trump the presidency what i'm worried about
00:31:25.040
is it causes so many people so much angst that they go out um to the streets and i'm not saying
00:31:31.440
don't protest peacefully go do that but we don't want to give them the narrative that the left is
00:31:36.640
itching for us to take and that is president trump and his supporters are violent maga domestic violent
00:31:42.880
terrorists they've already written that narrative they're just waiting for us to play it out
00:31:47.520
um but when he was indicted in new york you know i went up there i was with gavin wax i was with
00:31:52.400
congressman marjorie taylor green and and we staged a protest and you know what we were right in the
00:31:58.000
park directly across from the courthouse and i said you know what this is our american right we have a
00:32:04.160
right to do this we have a right to be here we're going to be here and you know what it was so peaceful
00:32:09.680
and it was so just we respected every law i mean there was a lot of disrespect for alvin bragg in my
00:32:15.360
remarks certainly um uh so we were disrespectful in that sense i was i was quite disrespectful
00:32:22.800
of da alvin bragg but in terms of respecting the right of the freedom of assembly and the right to
00:32:28.400
protest yeah we did that and i think that conservatives and patriots need to do this
00:32:34.480
peacefully more and more in order to fight back against that narrative and not give them what they
00:32:39.920
want so you can't you can't let them uh make the decisions for you we're not going to let alvin
00:32:45.680
bragg and jack smith and merrick garland and the mainstream media make decisions for us we can't do
00:32:51.440
this but i i should ask you though just in general uh about this mishandling of classified documents
00:32:58.000
i mean this is such a non-crime this is something where it's like and we know every president does it and
00:33:04.800
i've said look you know as conservatives i think conservatives do get trapped caught in this trap
00:33:09.200
every once in a while or very too often saying wow look at the hypocrisy could you imagine if the
00:33:14.400
shoe were on the other foot could you imagine if the sides were switched they would never do this
00:33:18.720
and it's like okay but they are doing it right because it's not hypocrisy it's hierarchy they know
00:33:24.480
that that standard doesn't apply to them but they don't care and they're never going to listen to you
00:33:29.280
no matter how much you call them out about it because they're never going to you need to have
00:33:33.600
an action plan and if you don't have that plan like you're talking about like you lay out in
00:33:38.240
government gangsters then you're just you're you're you're screaming into the void basically as far
00:33:43.440
as i'm concerned and cool you can you know you can go and do that but as as as uh uh admiral bannon
00:33:50.000
always gives us on the war room it's about action action action but i do want to ask you just from a
00:33:55.440
legal perspective uh this mishandling classified documents charge is this even something that gets
00:34:02.720
brought up on a regular basis for like you know run of the line run of the mill line analysts is
00:34:08.160
this something that like would ever come up in any other situation for federal charges it should come
00:34:16.560
up in a lot of places where the media has received classified documents especially during the trump
00:34:22.720
presidency to advance a false narrative that's where they should be prosecuting right right right yes
00:34:29.440
that's where it always fails to oh we we don't want to go after the media and this was rod rosenstein
00:34:34.560
and chris ray two trump appointees and i'm very critical of them who leaked the general flynn call
00:34:39.280
to david ignatius at the washington post who leaked that is classified information that's simple
00:34:45.520
comey leaks classified information in his comey memos the notes write the memos that's a leak of
00:34:53.360
classified information that's a violation of the national defense act yeah so those crimes should
00:34:59.120
be prosecuted but here you have the ultimate politicization of the law enforcement community
00:35:03.840
fbi doj to go after donald trump who has two things going for him one he declassified a whole ton
00:35:10.880
of documents on the way out of the white house but shockingly the deep state never let them out and they
00:35:15.200
got stuck at the librarian's office at the national archives i mean in 2023 america a librarian at the
00:35:21.040
national archives is telling us i'm going to supersede the mandate of the president of the united states
00:35:26.000
and not release classified documents what are you talking about but it goes back to your thesis they
00:35:31.120
believe that they are the ones in charge not the duly elected representatives of the people
00:35:35.280
they do and we'll put that one aside how about the application of simple law the presidential records
00:35:41.360
act how is it that bill clinton is allowed to take sensitive information and stuff it in his sock
00:35:46.720
and every president before trump but uh obama bush bush too all clinton all these guys the law allows
00:35:54.320
them to take what they want with them when they leave and it is not a violation of the classified
00:36:01.360
information act or the national defense information act you know who can't do that a senator or vice
00:36:08.160
president that's right so if say joe biden now the current president has had documented instances of
00:36:15.760
classified information going back 10 plus years that was way before he was president and what's the
00:36:24.000
doj going to do this is this is the breaking point for the doj if they charge donald trump and don't charge
00:36:31.040
joe biden that's it game over everyone will know that the entire system is completely corrupted
00:36:40.080
and it leads to the over correction in government that we don't need and i'll be the guy that says
00:36:43.840
this all the time people are like let's disband the fbi no you can't do that you need cops you have
00:36:49.360
to have cops you got to disband a lot of them and reorganize the heck out of it and send them out
00:36:55.120
in the streets to chase down criminals instead of political activists and political opponents there's
00:36:59.680
a lot of work that needs to be done there but you get the over correction because the doj and fbi are
00:37:05.760
creating the narrative in the media through their inaction that there's two tiers of justice and so
00:37:12.480
let's say they both get indicted maybe that's the plan maybe they don't want joe biden or donald trump
00:37:18.800
to be the nominee on either side and i've always said and i still think this i think hillary clinton's
00:37:23.120
getting back in the game um to run for president because she just can't resist but the facts and
00:37:30.240
the law apply very differently to joe biden than they do to president trump and the reason that you
00:37:38.880
have a special counsel appointed is a total farce it's because mary carlin wants to say oh you know
00:37:47.200
we handle this above board whatever they say is god's word that's what they want and it's a total
00:37:53.680
preface it's a total scam well the way that i always try to explain this to people is that
00:37:59.840
the understanding you and i were talking about classified information uh before and this is
00:38:03.360
the whole point of them not releasing your book um that's because you do not have what's called
00:38:08.800
originator classification authority you are not an oca so you don't because guess what you were and
00:38:14.640
and and what what is an oca so an oca is someone who's been designated to uh classify and declassify
00:38:20.640
okay yeah how do they get that designation eventually if you follow it all the way back
00:38:26.320
it rolls up to who the commander in chief of the united states armed forces who is the president of
00:38:32.080
the united states so for them to say he doesn't have the the ability to declassify documents it's it's
00:38:39.840
actually a complete reversion of the way you're supposed to be looking at it no the only
00:38:44.480
reason that documents are classified are because the president or the office of the president
00:38:50.560
has deemed them to be classified classification itself cannot exist without the president or the
00:38:57.280
office of the president it's like a previous president has deemed it to be classified or one
00:39:01.360
of their designees has deemed it classified it's it's a complete reversal of the way power actually flows
00:39:09.040
under our system and again like i'm not some like savant studying this they teach it to you on day one
00:39:15.680
class one that's how the classification system works you're absolutely right and we're gonna see
00:39:22.400
how this plays out it's gonna be very interesting um and then uh congress i think is gonna have a lot
00:39:27.760
more work to do all right cash we're about to come back we got one more uh segment with you i don't
00:39:33.040
want to talk specifically about that the work that needs to be done come back human events daily
00:39:39.920
so cash all the way back on november 17th 2020 uh there was a an article that went up in the harvard
00:39:49.520
law and policy review journal uh which i know that you read just as vociferously as i do i mean i i'm
00:39:56.560
just every single time i see an issue it's it's i just it was obama's yeah he was the former editor
00:40:01.760
of that and then uh i i just i get it and it's everybody knows like don't talk to me for a couple
00:40:06.960
hours i'm word for word line for line but you got to look at this one uh that came out so this is
00:40:13.440
after the 2020 election in the wake of it so when all that hijinks was going on that circus that people
00:40:19.840
were uh may have missed this one they wrote president trump on his way out of office issued
00:40:26.000
a schedule f bomb that's harvard law and policy review and it's talking about the executive order
00:40:34.160
that president trump wrote on october 21st of that year so prior to the election just a few weeks before
00:40:41.280
the election schedule f and it says uh for the senior executive service the competitive service
00:40:49.360
the exempted service every for for the way the system works out the system the bureaucracy everything
00:40:54.640
that you and i are talking about uh the jobs that you and i formerly have held uh we fall under opm
00:41:01.920
and the idea is that the benefit of the executive service category is that it enables agencies to
00:41:06.640
hire when it is not feasible or not practical to use traditional hiring procedures etc etc it puts you
00:41:11.760
under schedule e it gives you this it gives you this uh like like ability that you're protected it's
00:41:18.640
almost like tenure right it's almost like tenure for professors this idea that this i'm talking
00:41:23.120
about the current system not schedule f so that there's no way for you to be fired a great example
00:41:28.560
of this is dr fauci so people come to me all the time why didn't trump fire fauci why didn't trump
00:41:32.480
fire fauci well as president under the previous system he didn't actually have the authority to
00:41:38.160
unilaterally fire fauci until schedule f was signed now of course biden when he came in one of the
00:41:46.080
very first executive orders that he signed was to countermand schedule f cash walk us through the
00:41:52.960
power of schedule f and what it actually means for putting the constitutional authority back
00:42:00.080
into the presidency yeah and i'm going to do this in non-harvard speak because i didn't go there or
00:42:04.800
anything anywhere near uh uh look it goes to the heart of something i talk about in my book government
00:42:11.520
gangsters personnel personnel personnel personnel personnel and then everybody's complaint was
00:42:16.800
why didn't uh president trump fire more people and then why did he put in the likes of you know
00:42:21.280
rosentine ray and esper and all those people we'll leave that other question off for another time
00:42:25.840
but yes personnel is policy that adage has a point and what the whole purpose of and the drive
00:42:33.600
behind schedule f was because there's so many deep state operatives there's so many government
00:42:38.160
gangsters that have embedded themselves in the bureaucracies and agencies that run this country
00:42:43.680
that they are the ones they are the ones that come in and subvert democracy and if we were able to
00:42:49.760
remove them then democracy wouldn't be subverted it's pretty simple right but since as you outlined a lot
00:42:56.960
of these people can't because they found ways to get certain appointments and certain job definitions
00:43:02.480
that you can't fire them but here's the good news schedule f is a great tool to help a lot of that
00:43:08.480
here's the even better news you can do so without schedule rick grinnell and i when we ran the odni we
00:43:14.560
fired 10 of the workforce we just did we said you're fired i mean i i would go through when so i mean i i've
00:43:22.960
worked out of liberty crossing one and two in the past where od and i is headquartered i mean like i i'm
00:43:28.720
just telling you man if you ever needed somebody to go in there to just hand out pink slips like please
00:43:33.920
just call me in on like a friday you know and i'm like i i i have like i'll just go into an office
00:43:40.160
like you're fired you you you you you you you pack it up i'll bring boxes i'll be very nice i'll bring
00:43:46.800
them boxes maybe even a my pillow gift you know something from lindell so that they'll at least get
00:43:51.680
a good night's sleep but it's like get out get out yeah i'll go with you and we'll give out trump
00:43:56.400
markers and sticky so they can label their boxes but um but we i bring that up because this the
00:44:02.160
point you're talking about here it might be the most important thing we talk about if we can't man
00:44:07.280
the agencies and departments of our government after duly elected president is with the people
00:44:12.240
who believe in his leadership agenda and want to follow the chain of command then we are not living
00:44:16.880
in the united states of america that our founding fathers have created and that's what's been going
00:44:20.880
on these last few i don't know about 10 15 20 years and so with combining creation of schedule
00:44:26.560
f to redefine how people can be hired and fired along with the other levers i talk about in
00:44:31.040
government ganswers this this is how we were successful at od and i we would call congress
00:44:34.960
and zero out of billets we would say okay i don't want that seat funded don't fund that seat don't
00:44:39.120
fund these seats if there's no money there's no job and the other that's so funny because right
00:44:43.760
because the way the agencies work is that everyone's everyone's constantly trying to get billets and
00:44:48.800
there's always drug deals going on between agencies so i got to fill this billet because
00:44:52.480
if i don't fill it in congress gonna take away my funding next year so there's all of these i could
00:44:56.400
go on in this for so long because there's all these make work jobs and that's all they are it's about
00:45:00.960
securing funding it has nothing to do with actually continuing this this isn't just the intel community
00:45:05.840
by the way this is the entire government operates this way yeah and and just think about it how many
00:45:11.200
people running agencies and departments are calling congress and giving them money back that's
00:45:15.840
no that never happens everybody is like oh you're gonna cut us out yeah thanks we appreciate that
00:45:23.040
so that's that's that's one of the ways coupled with schedule f and the last way i talk about my
00:45:27.200
book a little bit is also you know what you do you reorganize all the people that don't want to
00:45:34.560
follow the chain of command and you create the office of uncooperative government gangsters and you
00:45:40.560
situate them in kodiak alaska and you keep their ses billet and you say you have seven days to move
00:45:47.600
report for duty and they'll be like well no i can't do okay well then you can no longer work here
00:45:53.680
and it's totally doable i use a little bit of hyperbole but you can spread them out across the
00:45:57.520
country and the best example that i've been talking about and i don't know if we're going to
00:46:01.280
succeed on this one but it's a good place to end is the deep state and the government gangsters are
00:46:06.960
such a problem people are like what do we do with the fbi and headquarters can build it and i was
00:46:11.760
like this is the perfect example you take the j edgar hoover building which is the size of a city
00:46:16.480
square block in the downtown dc metropolis and you shut it down you shut it down and overnight you
00:46:23.280
reopen it as a museum of the deep state so all americans can visit for free how deep state operatives
00:46:30.080
actually work then they have this in in germany and hungary and some of the former communist areas
00:46:36.320
they have they actually have museums like this yeah then you take the 2500 people or so that work
00:46:42.000
there which is like 25 of the fbi's workforce and you send them back out into the country to chase down
00:46:48.640
drug dealers bank robbers murderers rapists and criminals you send them i was supposed to do
00:46:56.080
and that's a lot of what i talk about in in government gangsters but it couples together
00:46:59.840
well you're talking about schedule f employees because you can redistribute the people you can
00:47:04.880
cut billets you can hire people new on new and transfer them over to schedule f billets but
00:47:09.920
it's all leading to the same point personnel and i and i've talked to president trump and i know you
00:47:14.800
have a lot about it and saying you know when he wins again are we going to get it right do we have
00:47:19.200
the bench yes and yes we've got the bench and i'll have to hit on ron de santis real quick
00:47:24.400
thank you ron de santis for running and outlining the hundreds of former trump
00:47:29.760
people that you now have working on your staff do you know who will never work in a trump
00:47:35.040
administration again people have been asking me for lists there it is thanks ron de santis
00:47:39.600
everyone that has ever spoken to them and tried to help them get a job in the trump administration in
00:47:43.360
the past is now out not only them but the people who have also spoken to them and endorsed them
00:47:49.280
you're gone you're totally no i love this and i love the read for you the line by the way just
00:47:55.200
this is how how upset that the harvard law and uh whatever review god they said president trump's
00:48:02.240
schedule f executive order might indeed be the most insidious potentially dismantling the civil
00:48:09.600
service as we know it and i'm like well i don't think it's insidious but yes yes it is
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actually that is the plan we do want to dismantle the civil service as we know it because the people
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of this country are the ones who are supposed to be in charge the people that are elected as the
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representatives are the ones that we put there for a reason and so even michael moore said this back
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in 2016 that the populist movement the maga movement whatever you want to call it it would not
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exist if not for the corruption and the malfeasance of these government gangsters that is why this
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movement exists because we are rising up to actually fight back cash tell everybody where
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they can go follow you follow everything you got uh it's pretty simple i'm only at one place on any
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social media it's at cash at ksh on truth social if you think you're following me on twitter or
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telegram you're not you're following some other guy um and government gangsters.com
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government gangsters.com you can pre-order the book my children's books on russiagate and um
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2000 mules with dinesh are also on there we're doing some great deals go to government gangsters.com
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we can educate our children about the complex topics you've taught you and i've talked about today
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nothing um as the left has taught us uh is is off the table but we do it in a smart fun way check
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it out government gangsters.com all right cash patel always a pleasure man thank you for your time
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here on this human events sunday special ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay