Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - SUNDAY SPECIAL： WHO REALLY SHOT JFK？ WITH ROGER STONE

00:00:00.000 ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard to today's sunday special with human events and we have on

00:00:16.880 someone who's very special joining us today this sunday it's roger stone long-time iconic

00:00:23.180 legendary political operative but also also an acclaimed author and there is a piece that came

00:00:31.940 out recently in the news about jfk classified files and the fact that president biden has extended

00:00:39.940 the classification of files regarding the jfk assassination but what many people may not realize

00:00:46.680 is that roger stone wrote an entire book all about the investigation and what really happened and

00:00:54.860 we've got him here for the sunday special roger thank you so much for joining us jack thanks very

00:00:59.840 much for having me so let's get into the the the top of it here what's the latest what are these

00:01:05.840 files that biden has classified and why are they continuing to hold this back uh in 1978 uh the uh

00:01:14.680 the congress under uh intense fire uh formed something called the house intelligence select

00:01:21.760 committee on assassinations and the purpose of it was to re-examine the assassinations of not only

00:01:29.220 uh president john f kennedy but also dr martin luther king uh and in that re-examination and hearings

00:01:37.600 since most of the people staffing that committee uh had come from the investigation of organized

00:01:44.600 crime on the one hand they debunked the warren commission theory that oswald was alone not

00:01:53.340 gunman communist acting alone uh they declared that the that organized crime was involved in the murder

00:02:01.660 of kennedy but then they went no further in other words they they left us hanging on the rest at that

00:02:08.840 time they passed a law that said uh in 2017 20 some 25 years later all of the uh documents pertaining

00:02:19.840 to the murder of jfk would become declassified unless the president of the united states filed an objection

00:02:28.560 in which case the president had the authority to kick the can down the road and set up a future date

00:02:35.840 to re-examine and release the material so in 2017 uh relatively early in his first term

00:02:44.900 uh that date rolled around and donald trump was in the white house i contacted him i asked him

00:02:52.040 what what what what what we what are you going to do about the jfk documents and he said what are you

00:02:56.860 talking about i said well under the the assassinations uh records law all this material is going to

00:03:05.500 become made public unless you decide otherwise and he said why hasn't anyone brought this to my

00:03:12.540 attention i said well that's really a question for your staff sir uh but we're only a couple weeks

00:03:19.480 away from the release date he said i don't think this is right i said it's definitely right i would ask

00:03:26.160 you to look into it uh and see what what you think and he came back to me about a week later and he said

00:03:32.400 well you're absolutely right this material is scheduled for declassification um you know they

00:03:38.820 they don't want me to release it now by they i take that to mean the intelligence agencies

00:03:45.240 and i say well what could possibly be their argument they said and he said uh it will expose our sources

00:03:53.480 and methods well first of all our sources are all dead there's nobody who is directly involved uh at

00:04:01.620 any level uh in the assassination assassination of john kennedy who's living and secondarily uh if the

00:04:09.640 united states government was as i believe actively involved in the murder of a president well that's a

00:04:15.920 method we as citizens need to know about so what then subsequently happened was um trump did release

00:04:25.960 roughly 80 percent of the documents and we found out some shocking things for example uh lee harvey oswald

00:04:34.520 uh had gotten a you know a 1099 from the fbi that's because he had been on their payroll he was an

00:04:41.560 informant uh lee harvey oswald had attended the foreign languages school that is run by the central

00:04:48.780 intelligence agency in north carolina that's how he learned to speak russian we learned about

00:04:56.100 president lyndon johnson's early membership in texas in the ku klux klan that was among uh the documents

00:05:03.880 that were included uh so there's a lot of stuff there that uh historians poured through there was a lot of

00:05:10.520 interesting data but even he trump held back 20 of the documents uh when i had the occasion to ask him

00:05:19.500 about that i said um why didn't you let it all out and he said i can't tell you it's so horrible

00:05:28.060 you wouldn't believe it someday you'll find out and that that was the sum total of it he didn't want

00:05:35.980 to talk about it any further fast forward now so he kicked the can down the road uh to uh president

00:05:42.700 joe biden the new date set by donald trump uh to re-review when these documents should be released

00:05:51.440 several weeks ago and no surprise once again joe biden has decided to conceal this information

00:06:00.040 from the american people so we have this missing 20 that's still outstanding it's still staying out

00:06:08.380 from us still staying away you mentioned before that you believe the u.s may have been involved

00:06:14.860 the u.s government and the title of the book i mean you put it right out there the man who killed

00:06:21.240 kennedy the case against lbj and roger i don't know if i've ever told you this but i actually sat and read

00:06:27.840 this book when i was still in the navy while while amid ships in my in my bunk you know on my bunk bed

00:06:37.420 on a navy ship just sitting there paging actually i had an e-copy of it so i had it on my kindle because

00:06:41.740 you couldn't get too much stuff in your sea bag and i read this thing cover to cover as it were

00:06:46.400 while sitting on a navy ship and and realizing that there's so much that even olive it would it wasn't

00:06:53.840 enough for oliver stone to fit it all in the movie so i guess we needed roger stone to come out and give

00:06:58.260 us the rest well kindly enough after oliver stone read my book he actually sent me a note which he said

00:07:05.200 uh had he known a lot of the things that i brought to the fore in my book he would have included them

00:07:11.480 in his movie that he didn't really understand the central role that lyndon johnson played in the murder

00:07:17.480 of john f kennedy so look i i make a compelling argument using eyewitness evidence fingerprint

00:07:24.300 evidence uh deep texas politics uh and a huge amount of what i i admit to you is circumstantial but

00:07:32.220 i think compelling evidence that lyndon baines johnson is the man who had the motive means and opportunity

00:07:40.380 to kill john f kennedy his motive um was the most obvious he was under investigation he johnson uh in

00:07:48.780 the bobby baker scandal bobby baker was the sergeant of the u.s senate was lyndon johnson's chief bag man

00:07:56.880 uh all corruption regarding senate appropriations flew flew uh flowed through baker the senate hearings

00:08:06.540 into how into bobby baker opened on november uh 22nd november 1963 throughout the day of kennedy's

00:08:17.480 assassination johnson was on the phone uh back to washington to see if his names had come up yet

00:08:23.120 in the hearing but the other scandal the scandal that was a much bigger scandal was the billy sol estes

00:08:30.900 was a flamboyant texas deal maker wheeler dealer uh who would ultimately go to prison for his crimes

00:08:41.080 uh and um johnson had gotten enormous federal grain storage contracts from which uh sol estes made millions

00:08:53.740 uh and so did his silent partner lyndon baines johnson i went to one of the book signings

00:09:00.700 uh by robert caro who's written a multi uh volume pulitzer prize winning biography uh of uh lyndon johnson

00:09:10.820 and i asked him how is it possible that billy sol estes is not even mentioned in every any of those

00:09:17.920 books p.s sol estes took the fall did time when he did after he got out of prison um he put forward a

00:09:27.020 series of statements uh which uh which implicate lyndon johnson uh in the murder of john f kennedy

00:09:34.640 needless to say those got very little uh media coverage at the time now i remember and and we'll

00:09:42.140 dig into this and peel it back a little bit because it's a very interesting theory of the case and i think

00:09:47.600 it's also something that a lot of people have have circled around even from the moments of when it

00:09:54.000 initially happened of course obviously the ussr the involvement of of rv oswald and some of these

00:10:00.340 cuban groups made him a perfect smokescreen but then at the same time and even myself looking at it um

00:10:08.500 many years after the fact it's once jack ruby takes the shot at oswald suddenly it begins asking the

00:10:16.800 question it's everyone asking the question what's really going on here and was this really the only

00:10:22.720 person who was involved in a a lucky shot on the president of the united states and i think it's

00:10:30.000 something where you know when people talk about uh murder mysteries and conspiracies it really is the

00:10:37.220 one that everyone comes back to that the minute you begin opening up this door that suddenly so much

00:10:46.600 information spills out it's it's in the midst of the raucous 60s a time of great change a time a time

00:10:52.800 of great upheaval great tensions obviously the cuban missile crisis going on at the time the cold war is

00:10:58.340 in full swing and so it is a time when we also know that the intelligence agencies were at the peak of

00:11:05.820 their powers and the peak of their influence at least from a physical perspective within the united

00:11:11.420 states and certainly within the u.s government and so we'll we're coming up on our first break here

00:11:16.040 but but roger what was it that drove you to write this book in in just a minute

00:11:22.020 i had a conversation when i was working for former president richard nixon this conversation which he

00:11:28.960 had a couple cocktails and i asked him point blank who killed john f kennedy kind of shuddered and said

00:11:35.780 let me put it to this way linden and i both wanted to be president the difference was i wasn't willing

00:11:41.900 to kill for it wow there it is wow and talk about someone who did by the way actually have their

00:11:49.220 election stolen not the uh the later election but the first election that of 1960 which has been which

00:11:55.220 has all come out and i think people widely acknowledge but at the same time we're not allowed

00:11:59.300 to talk about things that may have happened recently only things that happened far far in the past stay

00:12:03.940 tuned we're going to be right back with our continuing coverage this special of who shot jfk with mr roger

00:12:10.520 stone roger let's wind back the clock november 22nd 1963 dealey plaza dallas texas we've seen the film

00:12:24.320 we've seen the review the zabruder film jackie onassis um her her actions her face after

00:12:33.080 what happened prior to that motorcade driving through the plaza not just what happened in the

00:12:40.580 video but what really happened well first of all it's important to understand the whole purpose of

00:12:46.500 kennedy's trip to texas which is insisted on by vice president lyndon johnson is to bind up a division

00:12:53.900 in the texas democratic party uh between the old conservative bourbon wing of the party represented

00:13:01.760 by lyndon johnson uh and the more liberal progressive wing of the party with a growing hispanic constituency

00:13:10.040 headed by ralph yarborough so the idea is that that uh kennedy would go to dallas be seen with the

00:13:19.520 leaders of both wings of the party to bind the party uh it is uh lyndon johnson's then chief of

00:13:27.520 staff john connolly uh then governor of texas after he was the chief of staff senator johnson later

00:13:35.760 secretary of the treasury under president richard nixon um who insists uh on the route through dealey

00:13:44.240 plaza kennedy had stayed the night the previous night in fort worth in a hotel uh he is driving

00:13:51.080 from fourth or fort worth to the merchandise mark uh in dallas uh the route through dealey plaza is

00:13:59.840 neither the most direct route nor is it the safest route because the secret service manual specifically

00:14:07.120 prohibits the presidential limousine from ever coming to a full stop in in dealey plaza not only

00:14:16.280 does the limousine have to come to a full stop it has to make a hard right turn uh under the secret

00:14:23.320 service manual the buildings on both sides of the street are supposed to have been searched uh cleared

00:14:29.580 and sealed that hasn't happened uh they're supposed to be plainclothes secret service agents uh in in the

00:14:38.340 crowds on both sides that doesn't happen they're supposed to be six uh s a motorcycle escort of six

00:14:45.960 motorcycles three each abreast of the presidential limousine there's only one motorcycle and it is

00:14:54.260 behind the presidential limousine uh in violation of the manual uh and then of course there's supposed

00:15:01.780 to be uh uh two secret service agents uh on the back bumper of the car you can go to youtube and see

00:15:09.220 one of them being told by his superior to stand down he's shrugging his shoulders so uh all of the

00:15:16.040 secret service protocols all of which had been followed in kennedy's trips to chicago and miami

00:15:23.340 in the days just prior to the trip uh to texas are violated in this particular case i establish in

00:15:33.020 my book uh that an attorney for lyndon johnson had obtained the secret service manual early in the

00:15:41.760 kennedy presidency in fact on inauguration day of 1961 a bitter bitter cold day in which washington had

00:15:51.420 been hit by a blizzard uh at the outdoor ceremony in which kennedy uh is sworn in uh after kennedy is

00:16:00.860 sworn in uh lyndon johnson is sworn in as vice president presidential speechwriter ted sorenson turns

00:16:08.380 to sergeant of arms and lyndon johnson lieutenant bobby baker and says well congratulations bobby uh bobby

00:16:16.440 baker says john f kennedy will live a will die a premature and violent death and he storms away

00:16:24.180 there there you have it folks so there's there's all of this

00:16:30.760 tension and at the same time when when you look at the jfk assassination there's so many uh competing

00:16:40.800 theories out there in the various research communities the various um you know oliver stone

00:16:47.540 has his opinion jake tapper will always come in and make sure to defend the official version of events

00:16:52.220 every time anyone talks about this it's almost like it's like he's being told that he has to say

00:16:57.480 something about this very interesting um but jake is someone i keep an eye on as as the leaker of the

00:17:02.520 dossier and the the validator of the dossier as we all remember from 2016 2017 so you know roger what

00:17:10.500 would you say then to folks that come to you and say well stone you've you've got it completely wrong

00:17:15.080 it was it wasn't lbj it was it was the mob or it was the banks or it was the soviets or it was the

00:17:21.400 langley um you're you're barking up the wrong tree lbj would never do that he may have been

00:17:26.660 a little kooky later on in years but he wouldn't do something like this

00:17:30.240 look i i built my my book on the shoulders of many many others in other words i don't think any

00:17:36.140 of those people are wrong uh the uh the military the military industrial complex the intelligence

00:17:42.360 agencies uh and uh and the pentagon their motive is uh quite simple it's uh the bay of pigs uh which

00:17:50.920 is a failed military invasion of of cuba for which they blame linden john pardon me they blame

00:17:58.240 john f kennedy uh what hasn't been written is uh that plan included the use of 29 uh panamanium

00:18:08.160 flagged bombers that were supposed to be piloted by cuban pilots that were supposed to take off

00:18:14.500 from panama to provide air cover for the men storming the beach for reasons that are unknown uh charles

00:18:22.220 cable the number two man at the cia whose brother earl cable just happens to be the mayor of dallas in a

00:18:28.140 lyndon johnson intimate uh canceled the air cover the last minute the generals and the joint chiefs are

00:18:35.460 telling jfk well you've got to send in the air force that's the only way to save this operation

00:18:40.660 kennedy had only green lighted the bay of pigs on the condition that we had plausible deniability

00:18:47.640 uh that this was an indigenous cuban uprising not a u.s invasion uh they also blame kennedy uh in the

00:18:57.060 cuban missile crisis the narrative you've been told that brave jack and bobby kennedy faced down

00:19:04.460 nikita khrushchev and he removed the missiles from cuba thus averting world war three uh ignores what we

00:19:12.060 learned 40 years later but which was at that time classified we removed our missiles from turkey

00:19:18.240 and italy in a bargain changing the the uh the balance of power in europe in return for a pledge from

00:19:26.600 khrushchev to remove the missiles from cuba so uh there's there's great trepidation uh that uh kennedy is

00:19:34.580 soft uh in the intelligence agencies as far as organized crime is concerned uh lyndon baines johnson

00:19:41.020 was on the pad for organized crime he was being paid by carlos marcello who ran the mob in both

00:19:47.540 louisiana and texas to protect the uh gambling dens uh that were run in houston dallas and san antonio

00:19:56.400 man named jack alfer uh was the bag man delivering johnson's payments alfer received a presidential

00:20:02.980 pardon by the way on november 23rd 1963 how convenient uh those who say uh the bankers were upset yes john

00:20:14.240 and robert kennedy were insisting on a silver or gold back dollar the rothschilds were not happy

00:20:20.660 about this um they wanted to move towards paper money which has been the ruination of our of our

00:20:27.760 system big texas oil their chief uh uh their chief water carrier uh in washington dc is of course the

00:20:36.200 senator from texas led to the vice president lyndon baines johnson but as far as the fbi and the cia

00:20:42.500 are concerned the cia's black box budget uh is controlled uh by the defense appropriate secret

00:20:52.140 defense appropriation subcommittee uh as chairman of pardon me he's majority leader of the senate

00:21:00.060 johnson takes the rare step of serving on that committee himself while in the senate traditionally

00:21:06.200 the majority leader would serve on no committee although he has the authority to do so and when

00:21:11.120 he left that position he left senator harry f bird of florida one of his closest allies in charge

00:21:17.100 johnson is the paymaster for the cia and of course he lives next door in uh morningside heights uh in

00:21:25.500 the washington dc area uh the johnson daughters refer to j edgar hoover who would have been uh

00:21:32.000 mandatorily retired in 1974 or 1964 had kennedy been re-elected as their uncle edgar so um lyndon

00:21:42.080 johnson is the common thread between uh the military industrial complex uh the bankers through elliott

00:21:49.220 janeway uh the uh the organized crime crime through mars carlos marcelo he is the common thread but he's

00:21:58.020 also the man with the greatest interest john f kennedy has already begun telling people that johnson

00:22:03.920 will be dropped from the 1964 ticket if you read the biography of evelyn lincoln uh kennedy's uh

00:22:12.060 personal secretary and also published within it the notes she made on air force one on her way back

00:22:19.240 to washington after kennedy has been slain in which she makes a list of those who may have been

00:22:24.860 responsible first on her list um is uh lyndon johnson the night before the assassination uh according to

00:22:34.600 what uh jacklyn kennedy has written lyndon johnson goes to jack kennedy's hotel suite in fort worth

00:22:41.540 and proposes a change in the lineup of the motorcade proposing that uh instead of john connolly

00:22:50.180 riding in the presidential limousine uh with jack kennedy that that senator ralph yarborough

00:22:57.080 arch enemy of lyndon johnson should ride with the president uh kennedy says absolutely not we're leaving

00:23:04.840 things the way they are that was the whole purpose for me to be seen with connolly as the leader of the

00:23:10.120 more conservative wing of the party i'm not making any changes johnson storms out of the room

00:23:15.920 jacklyn kennedy writes uh she said to her husband what's wrong with him uh and john kennedy says oh

00:23:23.140 he's just being lyndon hmm he's just being lyndon and so when when you see him we're coming up on our

00:23:31.100 next break but when you see through this lens that there are various interests that certainly were

00:23:38.520 served by jfk's removal from office um and lbj then becomes the sort of linchpin for all of this

00:23:48.980 his ties of course to dallas his diet ties to the leaders in dallas the politicians there the power

00:23:55.480 structure it creates a situation where these are all people that know him from the law enforcement

00:24:01.820 all the way down to the beat cops that are on the street to even potentially some of the secret

00:24:07.240 service agents that uh that are assigned from the local office when we come back roger i want to talk

00:24:11.700 to more about how could this have been avoided and what would have happened had jfk stayed in office

00:24:19.100 come right back roger stone who shot jfk now roger this is one of the cases of course some of the

00:24:28.020 most famous gunshots that have ever been taken on u.s soil um the the uh there's a lot that line in

00:24:34.700 full metal jacket old italian bolt action rifle scores three hits including a headshot um this is

00:24:42.560 this is the great uh late great r army lee uh the drill sergeant uh describing how a u.s marine took

00:24:48.780 the shots that took out kennedy and so this physical evidence uh it also is explained through the

00:24:56.940 abilities of a junior prosecutor uh later a united states senator from pennsylvania who i know you know

00:25:04.960 uh the late great arlen specter who comes up with this the silver bullet theory which he's later

00:25:11.660 referred to as silver bullet specter so the physical evidence as well as the zerbruder tape which by the

00:25:17.980 way none of these and people need to understand that in the 1960s the idea that somebody would be

00:25:24.740 on the side of a road with a camera like a video camera video lens like this um home camcorders were

00:25:32.320 very new to the market this is not 2022 where everybody's got a cell phone and so people knew

00:25:40.040 there would be photographs of the situation but the fact that an actual videotape of this exists

00:25:46.220 is extremely rare for the situation so anyone involved from from harvey on down to to any of

00:25:52.740 these various entities would likely not have anticipated that a video would be shot so so

00:25:59.960 roger let's get into the gunshots the physical evidence and where we left you were talking about

00:26:05.660 the placement of the men in the motorcade and in the car itself now you got a number of problems here

00:26:11.500 first of all no government marksman has ever been able to replicate the alleged shot because a

00:26:18.100 motorcycle police officer had left his microphone on we know the exact timing between the shots uh and

00:26:27.340 no no marksman uh invested jesse ventura tried as well but no government marksman has ever been able to

00:26:34.340 get off three shots within the time sequence required also if you look at the footage in the

00:26:41.220 zap order film there's a period in which kennedy's uh motorcade drives behind the street sign so he

00:26:46.620 cannot physically be seen which does not lend itself to a clear shot additionally uh if john f kennedy

00:26:55.040 was killed with a cheap 29 italian carbine how come there are no nitrate burns on his hands or his chest

00:27:03.680 according to the police uh report uh when oswald uh is uh apprehended um they parade him in public

00:27:13.620 what does he say i didn't shoot anyone he says i'm a patsy uh indeed um he did not shoot uh anyone

00:27:22.040 you also have to wonder why a man suspected of killing the president of the united states

00:27:26.800 is being paraded through public in a public area where of course he is murdered by jack ruby the

00:27:34.260 warring commission tells us that jack ruby had no known association with organized crime which is funny

00:27:41.560 because he ran a casino for mark carlos marcello in havana uh and his club the carousel club in dallas is

00:27:50.560 actually owned by marcello uh and ruby is merely fronting for him jack ruby is known as a long time

00:27:59.000 button man for the mob you also have the problem of course with the murder of officer tippet

00:28:06.400 um it is alleged that in his fleeing from uh uh dealie plaza oswald goes first to his home for a change

00:28:16.880 of clothes at least a change of jacket the landlady by the way uh testifies to the warring commission

00:28:23.180 that a dallas police car pulls up in front of the boarding house honks the horn three times and drives

00:28:29.280 away what's that about why why did that not make the warring commission a report uh the her deposition

00:28:36.760 is quite findable then of course at the scene uh where oswald allegedly uh shot tippet uh the shell

00:28:45.200 casings on the ground uh came from uh an automatic the problem with that is when lee harvey oswald is

00:28:52.380 apprehended at a theater nearby um he's brandishing a revolver uh this entire story is uh full of holes

00:29:02.220 uh at this point the thing that's the most bullet riddled is the warring commission report uh even in

00:29:09.280 the case of lyndon johns pardon me in the case of arlen specter's magic bullet theory there's a couple

00:29:16.460 different problems first of all jager hoover and the fbi wrap up their investigation of the murder of

00:29:22.640 john f kennedy in less than a week uh look one gunman shooting uh from behind three shots that's it

00:29:32.200 okay kid they say to 29 year old uh arlen specter who's been brought in as the chief investigator

00:29:40.180 the deputy uh of the warring commission go wrap it up kid the problem with that is uh that jim tag

00:29:47.340 um who was a young car dealer uh had walked down to dealey plaza to watch uh the presidential motorcade

00:29:55.700 while he's standing there a bullet hits the curb next to where he's standing a fleck of cement comes up

00:30:02.080 and grazes his shoulder and he's bleeding this is seen by a dallas county sheriff's officer who says

00:30:10.500 we've got to go report this takes him to the dallas police he fills out a report um he expects to hear

00:30:17.140 from the authorities but then nothing happens he keeps seeing on television and reading the newspaper

00:30:22.920 there are only three shots all three shots are accounted for they all came uh from behind

00:30:28.620 even though uh in the zap rudder film kennedy's head can be seen uh shoot uh back he it goes back and to

00:30:37.380 the right now i believe there are multiple gunmen i believe kennedy's shot shot from the front and the

00:30:44.220 back uh there is a an entrance wound on his throat um that is they immediately do a tracheotomy so that

00:30:51.660 you can't tell whether that's an entry wound or an extric wound uh but it is indisputable and the

00:30:57.620 new york times reported this that at the request of j edgar hoover warren commission member gerald

00:31:05.140 ford then a congressman from michigan and the minority leader the republicans in the house

00:31:10.700 physically takes a pencil and on the diagram in the autopsy moves the depiction of the wound from

00:31:19.240 kennedy's upper back to his neck uh to accommodate the the magic bullet theory when asked by the new

00:31:27.960 york times why he did this he said well the country needed finality not the country needed truth but the

00:31:36.160 country needed a finality uh so um i believe that there are certainly more than three bullets uh and

00:31:43.600 there's a physical evidence uh which they've tried forever to to explain away uh that kennedy was shot

00:31:50.720 you know uh in a turkey shoot from both the front and the back and this this is i was just going to

00:31:56.580 say that's the line in in this the oliver stone movie they said he drove it's uh jim garrison he drove

00:32:01.960 into a turkey shoot that it was not some lone gunman and i i do think that the the just the general

00:32:11.040 common sense uh take by so many people having heard this as the official explanation that a 29 year old

00:32:18.840 kid with uh who would who had had some military experience but was not um notably proficient with

00:32:26.180 this was was somehow able to pull something like this off it it doesn't seem to make sense it doesn't

00:32:32.740 carry water and the idea that uh that we were just supposed to go along with it in a in addition to

00:32:40.180 as you say there are so many stories that have come out from that day from that moment uh people

00:32:47.820 who are seen and never heard from again the the man with the umbrella uh you know who has an umbrella

00:32:52.940 on a on a clear day these these type of things that multiple witnesses uh are subsequently killed

00:32:59.940 that that is true um lee harvey oswald is not only not the shooter he's not even on the sixth floor of

00:33:07.320 this texas school book depository building there are multiple witnesses who see a man uh in the

00:33:13.360 window of the sixth floor they all describe some of them are prisoners by the way in a in a jail which

00:33:19.700 is across the street kind of a captive audience so to speak um where they have a clear view of the

00:33:24.460 texas school book depository building others are on the ground they all describe a man who's middle set

00:33:30.420 balding uh and wearing spectacles some of them say he's wearing a light colored jacket

00:33:35.680 that is a description of the man whose fingerprints are found on the so-called crow's nest his name is

00:33:42.500 malcolm wallace uh he is an employee of the u.s agriculture department uh patronage job gotten for him

00:33:50.460 um by uh senator lyndon johnson we have his fingerprints because in 1951 uh in cold blood and in uh the wide

00:33:59.740 open he murders a man uh in dallas who's involved in a uh in a uh a love triangle with lyndon johnson's

00:34:08.500 sister uh and the man has begun trying to blackmail johnson regarding corruption and the uh and the u.s

00:34:16.100 senate election so malcolm wallace uh killed that man he was convicted of first degree murder the only

00:34:23.260 case of first degree murder in texas history in which the man convicted received probation

00:34:28.600 he is at least one of his shooters joan mellon uh who's a pretty prominent author has written a book

00:34:37.360 in an attempt to debunk this she's full of crap i'd be happy to debate her anytime anyplace

00:34:43.760 i'd like to know where the funding for her book came from uh lyndon johnson was very very shrewd about

00:34:50.620 his legacy uh he sent jack valente one of his top aides to head the motion pitch association so there

00:34:57.460 would never be a movie uh until oliver stone's movie came along about the kennedy assassination uh the

00:35:05.000 former chairman emeritus of cnn whose name enough strangely enough was also johnson is one of the

00:35:12.360 reasons why cnn is more adamant about pushing pushing the falsehoods of the warring commission

00:35:19.220 than any of the the other networks and in addition we we've had this case the separate commission that

00:35:27.840 came out and found that it was not merely the act of one man this is an official government case and

00:35:35.400 yet that's never referred to that's never discussed you don't see it getting the prominence that it ever

00:35:41.100 i think one of the first times i ever realized realized it existed was from reading your book

00:35:45.680 was reading this book about jfk and then really because for me this had always been one of those

00:35:51.360 cases that i'd heard about and i i didn't necessarily accept the uh the company line on the whole thing

00:35:58.540 but i'd never gone down the rabbit hole because i didn't feel like i had a good entry point until i got

00:36:04.260 a copy of your book and i said you know what it's time for me to do this i'm gonna dig through

00:36:09.100 now roger we're coming up on our last break but when we come back i do want to get into that next

00:36:13.060 question of the america that would have been had these shots not been fired stay tuned we're coming

00:36:20.160 back for our last segment with roger stone on who shot jfk

00:36:24.140 now roger we're coming in it's our last segment we've laid out the foundation for why so many powerful

00:36:33.980 entities stood to gain from the death of jfk you've walked us through the physical evidence in addition

00:36:43.400 to the evidence of the route the security the lack security the security violations of the secret

00:36:49.920 service and you've debunked much of the physical evidence that's presented to us in the official case

00:36:55.780 but i want to ask you a question and this is more drawing on your background as a political analyst

00:37:02.040 and a political operative but walk us through what would have been the america that could have

00:37:09.700 existed and i know it's you know it's hard to ask those type of questions but let's say jfk lives

00:37:15.100 goes on and we'll give him the re-election do we not get into vietnam do we not go off the gold

00:37:22.180 standard walk us through the america that would have been well we do know that kennedy had reached out

00:37:29.960 through french back channels to fidel castro to talk about peace talks to talk about coexistence

00:37:38.620 the pentagon was very deeply opposed to that we also know that and there's some discrepancy about this

00:37:49.220 it is the thesis of oliver stone it is also the thesis of those who wish to burnage the image of

00:37:57.100 camelot uh that john kennedy was uh uh was waking up to the fact that uh a deeper and deeper involvement

00:38:05.080 in vietnam was mistaken was preparing to withdraw troops it is notable that in an oral history

00:38:12.480 after jfk's death uh robert kennedy insists vehemently that that was not the case that john kennedy was

00:38:21.380 committed to the defeat of communism in vietnam so that's an open question um he certainly was adamant

00:38:30.180 about a gold or silver backed dollar it would ultimately be richard nixon who closes the gold window

00:38:36.260 nixon's probably nixon's single greatest mistake i've written about two different books uh but the but the

00:38:45.000 the bankers were already agitating to come off the gold standard maybe that would not have happened

00:38:51.160 kennedy had a very deep distrust of the intelligence agencies after the fiasco at the bay of pigs he

00:38:59.900 threatened as he put it to smash the cia into a million pieces uh and um and therefore perhaps you

00:39:07.180 would not have the the rogue cia the rogue fbi that you have today interestingly enough in the

00:39:15.580 immediate heels of kennedy's murder former president harry truman wrote an op-ed piece for the washington

00:39:22.640 post in which he said signing the cia into law was the greatest single mistake that he had made

00:39:29.580 they were supposed to be limited only to foreign intelligence gathering and services but they were

00:39:35.800 operating in this country illegally that op-ed runs for one edition only before it is spiked so they

00:39:44.860 actually were able to spike an op-ed by a former and at that point very respected president of the

00:39:52.000 united states what kennedy might have achieved in the second term well he achieved nothing for civil

00:39:58.620 rights in the first term uh he had to campaign very hard for a fair housing law for a voting rights

00:40:05.600 act uh but uh president vice president lyndon johnson a lifelong segregationist i might add um had

00:40:13.160 convinced him that because the old bulls in the senate chaired most of the committees they would

00:40:18.940 eviscerate kennedy's budget and program and that he had to wait until a second term to keep his promises

00:40:25.560 on civil rights then of course after the murder of john f kennedy it was lyndon johnson the man who wrote

00:40:34.380 the southern manifesto against civil rights although didn't sign it himself because he was looking at

00:40:39.940 running for president in 1960 who completely reverses himself and becomes essentially the father of

00:40:46.540 american civil rights law saving that opportunity for himself that in turn bought johnson an enormous

00:40:54.500 amount of cover to deepen our engagement in vietnam which even then democrats on the left were beginning

00:41:02.300 to question so um it is uh i have new respect for kennedy as a nixon republican i'd always resented

00:41:10.460 um uh something i document to my other books the theft of the 1960 election uh but i now recognize

00:41:18.980 uh that kennedy was a much greater man than i had thought that his plans for the country um were much

00:41:26.400 more anti-establishment and much more reform oriented i think he was a peacemaker even though he had run

00:41:34.480 to nixon's right uh in 1960 as a cold warrior uh insisting that we uh uh that uh we take a harder line

00:41:43.500 on castro uh we fought about the chinese islands of quimoy and mat su that were then uh being disputed in

00:41:51.320 terms of their ownership between the nationalist chinese and the communist chinese so quite still

00:41:56.240 being disputed uh but but ironically uh in retrospect uh my the whole exercise brought me much much

00:42:04.240 greater respect uh for john f kennedy i think he was a great man i think he was murdered um by all of

00:42:11.500 these entities each one of them had their own specific interest johnson's interest was staying out of

00:42:17.200 prison obviously uh but i think um his his second term as candidate as president i think he would

00:42:23.820 have achieved many great things well you know roger when i actually um had an occasion back in 2016 to be

00:42:29.840 a member of a panel on the joy reed show on msnbc and uh when when asked about civil rights i brought up

00:42:39.000 the history of lyndon bates johnson and his personal history of being against civil rights for the entire

00:42:46.220 time that he was in the congress in the senate and uh she promptly tried to have me thrown off of her

00:42:51.280 show she didn't like that i brought that up there's a terrific book on this entitled bystander

00:42:56.820 by nick bryan which documents uh lyndon johnson first of all john f kennedy's great promises

00:43:04.280 uh in the 1960 campaign virtue of all of which were thwarted by vice president lyndon johnson

00:43:11.200 until the time that johnson became president and then reserved those positions uh for himself

00:43:17.240 as you know he is famously quoted as saying i'll have those and we're voting democratic for a hundred

00:43:24.680 years and so he has roger the other case that i think i think there's another book to be written

00:43:34.700 and roger i i don't know if you're the man to do it but i think you are and that's a book about

00:43:40.660 watergate because this story i think in the aftermath of the intelligence agency's actions

00:43:52.880 during the trump administration it has gotten so many millions of people going back and re-examining

00:43:59.880 some of these past cases like the jfk assassination and then also watergate from a sense of this

00:44:08.160 individual mark felt deep throat was he a leaker or was he a plotter and were woodward and bernstein

00:44:17.620 were they themselves uh intrepid journalists or were they patsies for the national security state and i

00:44:27.860 think that's a frame that none of the watergate researchers have really explained yet but i think

00:44:35.520 it's a story that people are willing now to actually have the discussion of and john dean and madeline

00:44:42.180 dean and whose names are on that client list in her desk and there's a whole story about that but

00:44:48.500 interestingly enough this also comes up in your book watergate in the sense that watergate is almost a

00:44:56.360 an operation that that builds out of dealy plaza and what happened there walk us through that

00:45:03.220 sure first of all four of the uh watergate burglars are on the ground uh in dealy plaza how could that

00:45:11.580 be uh e howard hunt one of the watergate burglars uh says on his deathbed that he was there working for

00:45:19.140 the agency but he was a backbencher he also says by the way lyndon johnson was the man calling the shots

00:45:25.840 you the people who removed kennedy are the same people who moved uh nixon and for the same

00:45:32.800 reasons uh the pentagon and the central intelligence agency were opposed to the strategic arms limitation

00:45:39.340 agreements that nixon reached with the russians they were opposed to normalizing our relationships

00:45:45.780 uh with uh with the chinese they were opposed to ending the war in vietnam they were opposed to ending

00:45:54.760 the military draft richard nixon's great sin he was a peacemaker they expected him to be even more

00:46:02.480 of a cold warrior than johnson had been i don't know how you could have stepped up the bombing in

00:46:07.220 vietnam any more than lyndon johnson did but uh henry kissinger and uh and richard nixon understood that

00:46:14.860 they needed to withdraw from vietnam they needed to cover their retreat while doing so so um there's been

00:46:23.220 a number of of documents declassified just in recent months terrific piece on this by james rosen

00:46:30.460 uh now at newsmax i think formerly with fox news uh at real clear politics it is absolutely clear

00:46:38.040 uh that at least three of the watergate burglars are still actively on the payroll uh of the central

00:46:44.540 intelligence agency and they're reporting uh to their handlers uh prior and during the break-in

00:46:52.220 so uh it is uh in the book silent coup by len collodny who passed recently uh it is a second coup

00:46:59.540 nixon it's not that nixon's men did not give the central intelligence agency the opening they did

00:47:06.540 but who is it who starts demanding the wiretapping of uh journalists and white house staff members to

00:47:13.020 find leakers why that would be henry kissinger man who has walked away from that train wreck

00:47:18.860 completely and totally unscathed the people who killed kennedy john kennedy are the same people who

00:47:26.060 killed his brother robert kennedy and who are the same people in essence uh who removed richard nixon

00:47:33.140 uh in many ways it is uh their uh is their successors who sought to remove a donald trump for

00:47:41.320 president from the presidency and i think that's what brings it all together roger i'm i know you've done

00:47:46.760 one book on nixon but i'm just saying i i think there might be another book specifically on maybe

00:47:53.760 a follow-up to silent coup in a sense in a spiritual sense and i think roger stone is the man to do it

00:47:59.960 a man who always has richard nixon very close to him roger thank you very much for for taking time

00:48:06.400 with us here on human events daily folks you can do a google image search of roger stone shirtless to

00:48:11.460 understand what that means roger where can people follow you uh they can follow me at stonezone.com

00:48:16.680 you get a copy of my book uh the man who killed kennedy the case against lbj by going to stonezone.com

00:48:24.060 in the shop you get a signed copy of it it is a new york times bestseller quite proud of it make a

00:48:30.040 great christmas gift um jack is alluding to the fact that i have a tattoo of richard nixon on my back

00:48:37.240 it's not there for any political reason it's there as a daily reminder that in life when you're

00:48:43.920 knocked down when you suffer defeats when you have setbacks when you are uh dejected or depressed

00:48:50.140 that's the time you have to get back up on your feet and get back in the game story of nixon putting

00:48:55.880 politics aside is a story of resilience it's a story of persistence it's an american story roger stone god

00:49:04.060 bless you ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay ashore

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 18, 2022

SUNDAY SPECIAL： WHO REALLY SHOT JFK？ WITH ROGER STONE

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