00:04:37.900The man was just arrested for threatening to kill Nigel Farage, threatening to kill Nigel Farage in the UK just days after the murder of a reform spokeswoman, herself a retired MP, Ann Whittacombe.
00:04:55.700And that story is, to be fair, it's all over the news in the UK.
00:10:14.220Take control of your privacy and some digital camouflage to your life.
00:10:18.360Make yourself much harder to find online.
00:10:20.980All right, I want to get into talking about this as well, some more about the Ann Witticum murder. I want to bring on my good friend, Dr. Charles Cornish Dale, a.k.a. the Raw Egg Nationalist. Dr. Charles, how are you?
00:10:35.040Well, it's phenomenal to have you on. And, you know, we look, we're in a situation now where, and I don't even want to get into the broader issue of the ramifications that this violence has had on Amy Coney Barrett's judicial decisions. I think that's obvious. I think it's, I think that point stands on its own. We all get it. But let's take it back a second before we even go down that road.
00:10:56.620We live in a world now where people like Anne Whittacombe have been murdered, 78 years old, in the UK.
00:11:05.280We've got Nigel Farage, death threats against him, three presidential assassination attempts, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Luigi Maggioni and his legions of fanboys and fangirls.
00:11:17.740Zora Mandami pretty much seems like one of them at this point.
00:11:21.920Supreme Court justices being threatened in their own home.
00:11:27.680And yet, this violence and the effect of the violence on our political system seems to be something that people just shrug their shoulders about and say, oh, what are you going to do and move along?
00:11:40.820And specifically, the problem I have is for people on the right.
00:11:47.740Yeah, I mean, I think we've arrived at this stage. It's taken a long time. I mean, this is the leftist playbook. I mean, we can talk about what the left does whenever they get into power or whenever they are on the verge of getting into power.
00:12:02.180the violence in Spain before the Spanish Civil War, the violence that precipitated the Spanish
00:12:08.600Civil War. I mean, this is a recurrent pattern throughout history. But what we've seen in the
00:12:14.620UK over many years, as indeed in the US, is the normalisation of violence, the normalisation
00:12:21.100of violent rhetoric, threats, intimidation. It's a creeping process. But then what happens,
00:12:29.660of course, is that it does break out into real violence. So for many years, people have been
00:12:36.980attacking Nigel Farage in the street. People have thrown milkshakes over him. That became
00:12:42.120something of a meme, to throw a milkshake over Nigel Farage and to throw milkshakes over other
00:12:49.560right-wing figures in the UK. Well, where does that go? I'll tell you where that goes. That ends
00:12:55.220up with death threats. You're not just going to be throwing milkshakes. You're actually going to
00:13:00.840be threatening to shoot Nigel Farage in the head. And that's exactly what someone has just been0.98
00:13:06.680arrested for. Or you're going to end up with some maniac driving 300 miles from Rotherham in the
00:13:13.380north of England to Devon to murder a 78-year-old woman who was actually probably one of the most
00:13:20.920recognisable right wing figures in the UK. I mean, she really was. She was very well known.
00:13:29.000She was very well liked. People also, of course, on the left hated her and they deplored her
00:13:34.680conservative stances. But everybody knew who she was. And there was absolutely no question,
00:13:40.640I think, that her murder was a political murder. You know, we saw this muddying of the waters
00:13:46.720with Charlie Kirk's murder, where people initially were saying, well, oh, it could have been,
00:13:52.160you know, it could have been a radical right wing terrorist, it could have been some MAGA,
00:13:56.380you know, ultra MAGA guy who thought that Charlie Kirk, you know, wasn't hard line enough on Israel
00:14:01.360or something. And there was a there was a muddying of the waters here with with Anne Whittacombe,
00:14:07.040they were saying, oh, maybe it was a burglary. Maybe it had nothing to do with her political
00:14:12.480stance. And then, of course, we learn, actually, it's someone probably who drove 300 miles to kill
00:14:19.060her. You don't drive 300 miles to burgle someone. You don't drive 300 miles for an opportunistic
00:14:25.860killing. This is a planned assassination. And it's very, very worrying. I think it presages
00:18:12.640It's to point out that this is the mayor of America's greatest city, and he is playing footsie with a left-wing assassin, and then thereby by transidents, he is playing footsie with all left-wing violence.0.65
00:18:32.200It's to say, oh, you know, wink, wink. We really don't like what you did there, Luigi. Gosh, I would hate if someone were to do that again, as if someone were to be another Luigi. Wouldn't that be so terrible if we saw this?
00:18:49.020And yet they do it again and again and again. And we're also seeing these left wing communist judges in New York City.
00:18:55.840You know, if they threw the book at Donald Trump, I suppose the opposite is that they're shredding the book because they're doing everything they can to let Luigi Maggioni walk.
00:19:05.600They want him to walk. And it's certainly by the way, they've already taken off the death penalty.
00:19:08.980Death money is already on, excuse me, off the table for Maggioni.
00:19:14.060This is how bad it is getting. And it's going to get worse, folks.
00:19:40.840Ann Whitaker was an extraordinary woman.
00:19:42.800Without doubt, the best-known female politician in Britain since Margaret Thatcher.
00:19:47.760Many, many years in the Conservative Party. Then she joined me in 2019 in the Brexit Party, was an extraordinary colleague in the European Parliament.
00:19:56.320Then beyond that, into reform. She never, ever sought popularity. She stood up and fought for what she believed in.
00:20:05.520Hi, folks. Welcome back to Human Events. And there was Nigel Farage talking about this horrific murder.
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00:21:18.060When we go back now, we're on with Dr. Charles Cornish Dale. And Dr. Charles, this is key.
00:21:24.700And by the way, I do, and let me ask about the UK because I've noticed that in the UK,
00:21:30.440this story does seem to be getting a lot of attention, as it should, because it's a horrific,
00:21:36.580beyond politics it is a horrific killing the brutal beating of a 78 year old woman in her own
00:21:43.940home we do have to understand the motive but are politicians in the uk taking it seriously
00:21:51.140as they should now is the government taking this seriously well i mean i think it's it's clear that
00:21:57.440actually really the government's first instinct was to try and cover it up uh and you will notice
00:22:03.920if you've been paying attention to any of the coverage, you will have noticed the glee with
00:22:10.700which the police first. So the police apprehended an initial suspect who was then released. And then
00:22:17.640they caught the second chap who had traveled from Rotherham 300 miles. But when they got the first
00:22:24.080chap, then the police gleefully announced that he was a white male. And there was a lot of emphasis
00:22:32.100on that word white when his arrest was announced. And I think that was very, very deliberate.0.91
00:22:42.040Increasingly today in Britain, then the government and law enforcement are loathe to talk about the
00:22:48.860ethnicity of criminals and of people who have been arrested. And so, of course, I think when
00:22:55.820it was announced that Anne Whittacombe had been killed and that it might be some kind of
00:23:00.240an actual murder case then people thought well of course maybe this is a political thing
00:23:07.280maybe you know maybe it's maybe it's someone from an ethnic minority maybe it's a migrant
00:23:13.280and so of course the government had to push back straight away by making it very clear
00:23:18.720that it wasn't a migrant that it wasn't a recent arrival into this country you know I mean1.00
00:23:24.600Recent arrivals are committing a lot of very, very unpleasant crime nowadays, like the Southport1.00
00:23:31.980stabbings, for example, and other events. So there was very definitely, there was a clear1.00
00:23:40.360element of spin right from the beginning. And then, of course, you had evidence that
00:23:45.260Britain's equivalent of the Community Relations Service, that was the sort of subunit of the
00:23:52.880Department of Justice that was basically tasked with covering up anti-white crime in the US.
00:23:59.580There's an equivalent in this country. And it looked like they had been talking to members
00:24:04.940of Anne Whittacombe's family, because then there was a statement from members of her family saying,
00:24:10.940we don't want this killing to be politicised. You know, please don't speculate. Please don't
00:24:16.000jump to conclusions. Please don't make this a left wing versus right wing thing, which is exactly
00:24:21.340the kind of thing that goes on in the US or did go on in the US with the Community Relations
00:24:26.300Service. And it's the sort of thing that's been done here for certainly the best part of two
00:24:31.580decades with events like the Manchester Arena bombing. Don't look back in anger. Don't say that
00:24:37.520this is something, that this is a problem that's being caused by immigration. So there's very,
00:24:43.300very definite, there are very clear hallmarks, I think, of the government attempting to spin this
00:24:49.500killing uh to try and play down the possibility the truth rather that it is a political killing
00:24:57.100so no i mean i don't think the government is is going to take well how about how about and how
00:25:03.180about that's fair that very fair point fair play but what about sort of the the conservative
00:25:09.280commentaria what about conservative figures you just saw nigel talking about it there
00:25:13.640I do think he's been generally good on this issue. But what about the broader conservative
00:25:19.700sphere? Are mainstream voices picking this up at all? Yes, I think they are. But whether or not,
00:25:26.840as we said in the previous section, whether they're taking it quite seriously enough and
00:25:31.320drawing the right conclusions, chief among which would be that actually the left wants to use
00:25:39.600violence, is willing to use violence, will use violence to achieve its aims. I'm not sure whether
00:25:45.580we've seen, whether we've kind of broken past that point. I mean, there's a big problem, I think,
00:25:51.760in this country that compounds the conservative hesitance to address the left-wing propensity for
00:26:00.860violence. And that is, there's a general sort of sense of, you know, civility and fair play.
00:26:05.900And conservatives are generally the guardians of civility and good manners in public life and things like that.
00:26:16.340So traditional values, whatever. So I think there's often a there's a hesitancy really to go as far as they should go.
00:26:25.600And maybe maybe eventually when more details of the case come out, when we learn more about the the alleged killers, motives, et cetera, maybe.
00:26:36.000No, we do need to learn more. We certainly do need to learn more.
00:26:41.640And we need to everywhere, every country, make sure that the threat of this violence is stamped out.
00:26:48.540Dr. Charles Cornish Jail, where can people go to find you?
00:26:51.180you can find me on twitter uh baby gravy nine uh i have a sub stack raw egg stack.com i write
00:26:59.060regularly for american greatness uh for the spectator and other publications as well
00:27:03.960including humanevents.com by the way we've got to have you back on soon brother
00:27:08.520we'll be right back jack for so with real america's voice
00:27:21.180Jack. Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do.
00:27:41.660You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad,
00:27:45.120but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.
00:27:52.180All right, Jack Posobiec back live here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
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00:29:31.900All right, folks. So I want to get on one of the stories that we haven't had a chance to get through.
00:29:37.460There's been so much going on is this shooting up in Maine, Biddeford, Maine, which is an area that, you know, I've said this publicly for a long time.
00:29:51.660That, you know, I've got family up in that area that I've been going up to that area of southern Maine for pretty much my entire life since I was a little kid.
00:30:01.040and, you know, specifically, you know, not Biddeford or Kennebunkport, but, you know,
00:30:07.680some of the towns in and around there, Sanford. And the idea, number one, that there'd be an
00:30:15.420ice shooting in Biddeford, Maine is crazy to me, given the fact that it's a hamlet. It is a quaint
00:30:25.720New England, Hamlet, that is one of the nicest places on the planet.
00:30:30.720It's one of the most, it's certainly, and I've said this for a long time, that Maine is the most beautiful state.
00:30:35.100But why are there illegal aliens all the way up in Maine or from places like Latin America, South America, or even Africa?
00:30:48.300Now, we're not sure what to make of this.
00:30:51.460but what we do know we do know is that in this in this situation that in this situation
00:31:05.860we need to get to the bottom of it and so to understand that to help us get to the bottom
00:31:12.680of this i wanted to bring on man who knows more about border patrol and ice than many of us ever
00:31:19.280will in our entire lifetime because he's walked the walk. He's lived the life. Ladies and gentlemen,
00:31:24.700Commander Greg Bovino joins us now. Commander Bovino, how are you? Good, Jack. How are you?
00:31:31.380I'm doing very well. That's my first question in terms of all of this, is how did we get to
00:31:37.780the point where we've got illegal aliens from South America all the way up in Biddeford, Maine?
00:31:42.640Sure, Jack, what you're seeing in Maine is a reflection nationwide. That has happened
00:31:51.760nationwide, every single county of every single state. That's why we say that there's 100 million
00:31:58.300illegal aliens. They're not just in pockets like they used to be. The Arizona, California, Oregon,
00:32:03.400Washington Corridor, they are spread across the United States. And like you said, the South
00:32:08.920americans in maine there's also uh a somali population there in portland maine that's quite
00:32:14.960big as well so from all over the world in all parts of the united states including maine
00:32:21.680whoever would have thought maine would have had an illegal alien problem but boy they've got an
00:32:26.200illegal alien problem now no and in fact it it leads to a situation where you again you've got
00:32:35.120one of the safest states probably one of the safest states in the entire union that's now0.88
00:32:40.480that now has crime that now has all drug problems that have been going on up there that it murders0.99
00:32:46.360and rapes and car accidents and all the things that we know that illegal aliens bring with them
00:32:52.220to a place that you know it used to be you know this this spot along the seashore where people
00:32:57.700could just bring uh like my family we used to go up for we'd drive up from philadelphia for uh for
00:33:03.200the summer and we'd spend a couple of weeks just sitting on the main beaches and just have a good
00:33:09.280time, eat some lobster. And it's unbelievable to me how bad this has gone. That's why I do believe
00:33:16.780that it was deliberate operation that was done to many of these states specifically. And Commander,
00:33:23.900when you're looking at it from an enforcement perspective, obviously not all of the details
00:33:29.100of this operation have come out. You may have heard things more than us, but this is why when
00:33:35.540Minneapolis happened, I knew to give the benefit of the doubt the men who were on the front line
00:33:42.740like you were and so many others were in the big green machine because they're up against things
00:33:47.140like this every day, aren't they? Every day, Jack, the most unprecedented amount of violence
00:33:54.540in the United States against U.S. law enforcement since Prohibition, arguably even worse than
00:34:01.200Prohibition. That's over the past hundred years. Right now, we are living in the most violent time,
00:34:07.460especially in terms of immigration and enforcement. And then there specifically in Maine,
00:34:12.140in that specific incident, something perhaps the viewers might want to reflect on is that
00:34:18.780illegal alien, the illegal alien that was shot had, oh, I guess it's going on about a year and a half
00:34:25.900now to self-deport. That individual, as well as all hundred million illegal aliens, were given the
00:34:33.100opportunity to self-deport a year and a half ago. We really, the bandwagon was loud on the
00:34:42.280self-deportations, but he did not take that advice, and he allegedly tried to hurt and or kill
00:34:49.460a law enforcement officer, and he suffered the consequences yet again from his actions,
00:34:56.120not the actions of the victim. Remember, the law enforcement's the victim there. A lot of the
00:35:01.640leftists are saying the illegal alien's the victim. Nothing could be further from the truth.
00:35:06.000That individual's an illegal alien, crossed the border illegally, did not go home like he was
00:35:11.500supposed to. He was given plenty of opportunities to go back to his country of record. We were even0.87
00:35:16.680going to pay him $2,600 a free plane ticket. He didn't do that. And he decided to do something
00:35:22.960else far worse. Try to, again, allegedly, we don't know the facts, all the facts yet, allegedly hurt
00:35:29.420a law enforcement officer. Hey, actions have consequences. And his choices, the choices that
00:35:35.140that illegal alien made, well, they had consequences. No, they certainly did. And,0.97
00:35:42.300you know, one of the consequences, as you know, as you point out, of course, is you can self-deport.
00:35:48.060In fact, there is there a payment, there's remuneration, there's expenses paid to head
00:35:53.960back home. You're able to bring your family. This is not something that the U.S. government has
00:35:58.160actually been uncompassionate about. But at the same time, that does mean if you've got these
00:36:04.080deportation orders that you know what you're doing is wrong. And then if you go get in your
00:36:09.480car and do something, and by the way, I, you know, I'll just look at it this way. I saw an image that
00:36:14.220was posted of this situation, find me of other Minneapolis kind of situation where you start
00:36:19.580looking into the facts, you find out that the officer or agent, I'm not sure exactly, but was
00:36:24.740standing directly in the path of that vehicle. And we can see it directly from the physical
00:36:30.020evidence that's already come out. Yes, and you know, 99.9% of the time, that is the case. The
00:36:39.080officer's life was in danger, just like the officer's lives were in danger there in Minnesota
00:36:43.400and in many other cities. It's just like any law enforcement action. Look at all the law enforcement
00:36:49.240actions that take place with domestic law enforcement and American citizens. When your
00:36:54.860life is in danger or the lives of the public are in danger, that use of force, it's not only
00:37:03.460okay, you should use that force to save your life or the life of another. That's just the way that
00:37:09.720works. Law enforcement is there to save lives and to create security in communities. You don't
00:37:16.400create security by not doing anything. First and foremost, not doing anything does not create
00:37:23.020security, it makes it worse, which is why I'm so glad that President Trump overrode that crazy
00:37:30.040no pursuit policy that came out just yesterday. Because when you don't do something, it makes the
00:37:35.820situation infinitely worse. Well, Camino, that's exactly right. And in the next segment, I do want
00:37:41.380to get into that with you because I want to drill down. But, you know, just say, you know, I remember
00:37:45.780my father having the conversation with me. I said, hey, man, you see the lights in your rearviewing
00:37:51.120you're it's 10 and two and it's yes or no sir right it's yes or no sir didn't realize that sir
00:37:56.360I'm going to get that fixed or or whatever it is and guess what if you disagree you there's a time
00:38:02.080and a place to have that argument but it's not right there on the street and it's certainly
00:38:06.260not hitting the accelerator when an officer or an agent is standing right in front of you
00:38:12.780do something like that you're gonna have a bad day folks right back Jack Posobiec commander Greg
00:38:18.740Bovino here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
00:38:28.260Call this the Jack Posobiec Appreciation Hour. I can say confidently, I believe,
00:38:32.700I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobiec. And that
00:38:36.820is, I'll be honest. All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back live here, Human Events Daily,
00:38:47.580real america's voice we're on with commander greg bovino and commander bovino so i wanted to hear
00:38:52.940i think i guess this this back and forth and obviously you saw the president's uh truth social
00:38:58.300earlier this morning in fact the president now has just landed in pennsylvania at the army war
00:39:04.140college he's going to be speaking very soon i believe we have a shot of that guys
00:39:07.740where he's uh he's stepping out there marine one uh just an incredible incredible
00:39:17.580Image, of course, Marines at an Army facility, you know, we'll see how that goes over.
00:39:26.000We'll throw them some crayons, make sure they have something to chew on while they wait for the president to eat or to finish speaking.
00:39:31.900A little little inter-service rivalry there.
00:39:34.200But the president's gotten an incredible speech.
00:39:37.040Commander Bovino, so the policy, you know, we heard that after this main policy that the pursuit policy had been struck down.
00:39:48.860First of all, what does that mean? What are we talking about there?
00:39:51.600Does that mean when you go to serve somebody or you go to detain somebody that if they hop in their car that you actually – and again, a lot of the time these are violent criminals.
00:40:02.140And is that saying that people are saying that we should just let violent criminals off into the public?
00:40:08.700Yeah, Jack, it means anything in a vehicle pretty much is off limits.
00:40:13.080Anything in a vehicle, if they jump in a vehicle, if they take off in a vehicle, if you try to stop a vehicle and they take off, it's off limits.
00:40:21.840We saw this back in the mid-90s under Bill Clinton in the U.S. Border Patrol.
00:40:26.740Clinton and I believe Doris Miser was then the commissioner of INS.
00:40:30.520there was a prohibition on vehicular pursuits by the U.S. Border Patrol. And what that did
00:40:37.460is it empowered those illegal aliens, those drug smugglers, those transnational criminal
00:40:42.220organizations to do, guess what? We're going to run every single time from the U.S. Border Patrol.
00:40:47.500It made it infinitely more difficult to get these vehicles stopped and infinitely more difficult and
00:40:54.100dangerous for the public and the border patrol agents involved. We saw that very same scenario
00:41:00.840going down yesterday. And as you saw there on many of the platforms, a lot of people had a problem
00:41:06.940with it. And that's really good that President Trump was able to overturn that and give ICE
00:41:14.760all the tools that it needs to deport illegal aliens. They need all the tools, including
00:41:21.260vehicular pursuits. That's bread and butter of law enforcement, including ICE, bread and butter.
00:41:27.600Well, I mean, it's really simple because imagine, you know, imagine number one, if the person gets
00:41:34.120away and that you're going to have to go and spend all those man hours trying to track them down
00:41:38.020again and set up another operation to go and get them, or perhaps worse, they go and link up with
00:41:45.020people, they come back, they want to target. I mean, the permutations of how much worse this
00:41:50.320could make the situation really, and specifically for law enforcement, really do kind of make it
00:41:56.600almost unbelievable that this policy came down at all. Because of course, this is something that,
00:42:03.280and again, I'm not putting anything out, but it's my understanding that when one of those
00:42:06.700operations is done, it's done at a time where the officers believe it's going to be the safest for
00:42:12.700them and for the individual involved. Exactly. And oftentimes it is the individual inside a vehicle
00:42:21.860that presents the safest scenario, as you say, for the officer, the suspect, and the public.
00:42:28.040Going into someone's house every single time or into someone's work, you know, the availability
00:42:33.340of weapons, other individuals with weapons, why not get that individual in a car and take them
00:42:40.180down in that vehicle. It makes perfect sense. That's definitely a tactic in many situations,
00:42:48.240not all, but in many situations that law enforcement looks towards is to get that
00:42:53.520individual alone in a vehicle, take them down there, or if not in the vehicle, on the way to
00:42:59.080the vehicle. And by the way, I have to say this because it bears repeating, people seem to forget
00:43:05.300it that all of this could be prevented if states like maine which unfortunately is a blue state
00:43:11.380would just work with ice or work with cvp people are making these detentions to allow them to go
00:43:18.200into into courts or go into jail houses or whatever it may be so that it could be they0.60
00:43:24.580could find an even safer way at a time when you know that person doesn't isn't going to have a
00:43:30.000weapon isn't going to have a firearm isn't going to have access to a vehicle that would be the
00:43:34.040safest way for everyone, and yet they're the ones who refuse to do it. Yeah, Jack, exactly. Jack,
00:43:41.620you were on the ground with us in many of those locations, and you saw what went down in those
00:43:46.560cities contrasted as to what went down in the conservative red cities. New Orleans, perfect
00:43:53.780example. We had one incident of violence against border patrol agents in one month of operations.
00:44:00.080One month, we had one incident of violence against U.S. Border Patrol.
00:44:05.180We went to Minneapolis, and within an hour of being on the ground, the violence started.
00:44:10.060The big difference there was the state and locals in Louisiana, they didn't play around.
00:44:14.860They helped us in every single aspect of the operation, whether it was actually patrolling for illegal aliens, whether it was providing us security from anarchists and rioters.
00:44:26.560I'll tell you, it was a match made in heaven there in Louisiana.
00:44:30.600But you get to those blue cities, it's exactly the opposite.
00:44:52.900And that's what all we've asked for the whole time is we've got a mass deportation operation that's legal, ethical, moral, lawful.
00:45:00.180We need we need to undertake that with all of us involved, all law enforcement involved, because in doing that, much less violence.
00:45:09.180And it's been proof tested there in many in some of those red cities on a large scale.
00:45:14.920But you know what, Jack, you're one of the only ones that will actually report on that very subject.
00:45:20.860You know, it's awfully funny. No one else wants to talk about that one incident of violence in Louisiana over a month of hardcore operations. One.
00:45:31.080and you know what happened and i just look at it from uh no i was gonna say i look at it from
00:45:37.740an operational perspective and and the reason you don't see things like this in red states
00:45:42.500and you do in blue states is specifically that and when this story came across my wire the other day
00:45:47.720what you know whenever day that i saw it that i said well maine another blue state right there
00:45:52.440you go so it's like maine maryland california minneapolis minnesota again it it's it's when
00:45:58.160Where do you not hear this? Texas, Florida, Louisiana.
00:46:02.040Again, it really is a red state versus blue state kind of phenomenon.
00:46:06.460Pennsylvania, of course, has an extremely left-wing governor who is not a fan of mine.
00:46:11.720But that's okay. I'm not a fan of him either.
00:46:13.780And because he allowed illegal aliens into my hometown when he was our county commissioner.1.00