Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Tales of Regime Change： Afghanistan — Graveyard of Empires

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.

00:00:36.000 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:47.000 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:50.000 CHRIST IS KING!

00:00:52.000 Christmas 1979. Soviet armor pours across the Afghan border towards Kabul as helicopters secure the mountain passes through the Hindu Kush mountains.

00:01:02.160 In Moscow, the Politburo has decided to save Afghanistan's communist government from collapse.

00:01:07.220 We have a breaking news story to tell you about. Apparently, a plane has just crashed into the World Trade Center here in New York City. It happened just a few moments ago.

00:01:16.780 You have declared a jihad against the United States. Can you tell us why?

00:01:22.780 The U.S. government has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal through its support of the Israeli occupation of Palestine. And we believe the U.S. is directly responsible for those killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq.

00:01:36.780 He is representative of networks of people who absolutely have made their cause

00:01:44.040 to defeat the freedoms that we understand, and we will not allow him to do so.

00:01:49.500 On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al-Qaeda terrorist training camps

00:01:55.900 and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

00:02:00.880 These carefully targeted actions are designed to disrupt the use of Afghanistan

00:02:05.300 as a terrorist base of operations

00:02:07.760 and to attack the military capability of the Taliban regime.

00:02:12.480 It is a milestone a mere number cannot explain.

00:02:16.760 According to an independent Associated Press count,

00:02:19.600 1,000 American troops have now been killed in Afghanistan.

00:02:23.720 Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world

00:02:27.280 that the United States has conducted an operation

00:02:30.260 that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda.

00:02:33.680 President Biden announced the end to the U.S. war in Afghanistan from the same spot

00:02:39.080 in the White House Treaty Room as President George W. Bush announced its beginning 20 years ago.

00:02:45.820 It's time to end America's longest war.

00:02:51.900 Chaos following the horrific attack outside the Kabul airport. This is now

00:02:56.040 the deadliest attack on U.S. forces in Afghanistan in more than a decade.

00:03:00.140 The Taliban held a parade at Bagram Air Base, showing off the weapons and military equipment Joe and Kamala left behind.

00:03:06.400 The U.S. armored vehicles just outside of Kandahar Wednesday, and right on top of there, that is the black and white flag of the Taliban.

00:03:13.600 Now, it's not clear how much U.S. hardware is now in the hands of the Taliban.

00:03:17.840 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to today's special edition of Human Events Daily.

00:03:22.320 We've got a special Christmas series for you yet again this year, introducing Tales of Regime

00:03:30.600 Change. Tales of Regime Change is a journey through the modern American habit of wandering

00:03:35.720 into far off lands with big plans, big budgets, and even bigger blind spots. Now, if you followed

00:03:41.920 U.S. foreign policy for more than five minutes, you probably notice a pattern. It always starts

00:03:46.360 with a briefing, you know, crisp suits in the intelligence community, whispering about windows

00:03:51.260 of opportunity, humanitarian obligations, or the chance to shape the region. The language is

00:03:57.180 polished, the PowerPoints are convincing, and the mission, we're told, is noble, spreading stability,

00:04:02.900 democracy, liberal order, all the things that make Washington policymakers feel like they're

00:04:08.420 the protagonists of history. But behind the curtain, there's another engine running. The

00:04:13.920 quiet belief that American involvement can always bend the arc of the world towards some vision of

00:04:19.340 globalist liberal hegemony. Not domination. No, no, no. They'd never call it that. They'd call it

00:04:24.720 maintaining influence, supporting partners, managing outcomes, a soft empire wrapped in

00:04:31.280 the language of progress. And every single time the same thing happens, the law of unintended

00:04:37.600 consequences strolls in like it owns the place. Because when you try to rearrange nations from

00:04:43.640 7,000 miles away. When you treat societies, tribes, history, faith traditions like pieces

00:04:49.900 on a whiteboard, you end up creating forces you never anticipated and problems that you can't

00:04:55.020 bomb, bribe, or brief your way out of. Which brings us to episode one, Afghanistan, the graveyard

00:05:02.660 of empires. For generations, Afghanistan has devoured the ambitions of great powers, 1.00

00:05:08.340 the way the desert sands swallow footprints. The British marched in with confidence of empire. 0.94

00:05:14.180 The Soviets rolled in with tanks and ideology. And the Americans, well, we arrived with a cocktail

00:05:20.000 of counterterrorism, nation building, and the belief that we could turn the Hindu Kush into

00:05:25.360 a Jeffersonian democracy project by sheer will and a few trillion dollars. The intelligence briefing

00:05:31.860 said the Taliban would crumble. The analysts predicted we could reshape a tribal warrior 0.99

00:05:37.040 society into a centralized government. The architects of liberal order imagined Kabul 1.00

00:05:42.500 as the next success story in the grand narrative of progress. But Afghanistan had its own narrative.

00:05:49.940 Goes back to Alexander the Great, ancient, rugged, unyielding. And in the end, we learn once again 0.99

00:05:56.760 what so many who came before us learn the hard way. You can enter Afghanistan on your own terms,

00:06:03.220 but you do not leave on them.

00:06:07.420 And that's what we're going to do, folks.

00:06:08.880 We're going to look at this.

00:06:09.860 So we're going to take the next couple of days in this series,

00:06:12.640 Tales of Regime Change, over this Christmas time.

00:06:16.280 And what we're going to do is peel back the curtain.

00:06:18.760 We'll sift through the documents, the declassified cables,

00:06:21.700 the speeches, the promises, and the fallout.

00:06:24.940 Because if there's one thing we've seen again and again,

00:06:28.240 it's that America doesn't just fight wars.

00:06:30.820 It tells itself stories about why those wars must be fought.

00:06:36.780 And those stories, more often than not, shape our mistakes as much as they justify them.

00:06:43.200 And folks, while you listen to this episode, I want you to remember

00:06:46.120 that I'm not just talking about something that I've read about in books or seen in movies or

00:06:52.180 watched on TV. I spent a year at Guantanamo Bay in the interrogation cell. I've met these people.

00:06:58.980 I've seen them up close and personal.

00:07:01.980 Members of the Taliban, members of Al-Qaeda. 0.99

00:07:05.180 This is an ideology that I am intimately familiar with.

00:07:10.500 And I understand this problem set as well as anyone can understand something.

00:07:16.500 Why?

00:07:17.400 Because I was a gift and I saw it.

00:07:19.940 remote afghanistan 0.82

00:07:28.580 to drive north through the sullen mountains is to journey backwards in time to an isolated nation

00:07:37.520 which has consistently ignored the approach of a 20th century world

00:07:41.780 all right folks we're back human events special tales of regime change

00:07:49.560 graveyard of empires afghanistan i'm very excited so joining me in this quest as he did last year

00:07:57.740 and the year prior is joshua lisek the co-author of unhumans secret society of communist revolutions

00:08:04.900 and how to crush them joshua how are you my friend i'm well good to be here thank you

00:08:10.620 merry christmas merry christmas to you as well so you know it's amazing we're starting here

00:08:17.600 with Afghanistan and to tell the story of the regime changes in Afghanistan, you know, you

00:08:23.360 really have to kind of start at a certain point, you know, which regime change do you want to go

00:08:26.800 with? Do we talk about the British invasion in the 1920s? Do we go back all the way to Alexander,

00:08:33.620 the great and the Macedonian empire and the Hellenic world, the empire of Alexander from

00:08:40.620 which derives the city of of uh so alexander's name uh in uh in the local in pashtun would be

00:08:49.500 um uh it's something along the lines of alexandar which me which is where we derive the name of the

00:08:55.260 city kandahar is actually based on alexander the great and it's one of the largest cities

00:09:00.620 in afghanistan to this day so the the country of afghanistan is indelibly marked by regime changes

00:09:06.540 that go back thousands upon thousands of years, all the way back to, you know, hundreds of years

00:09:11.920 before Christ when Alexander was there. But I think for modern times, where I'd like to start

00:09:17.440 is the 1970s. So and that kind of gets us to the present situation. But I want people to very

00:09:23.680 clearly understand that Afghanistan goes way, way back and people have been trying to tame the Hindu 1.00

00:09:30.300 cush, if you will, for thousands of years. And all of them have been have ridden to ruin. And 1.00

00:09:36.300 the United States, of course, is no different. And so what do you have in the 1970s? Well,

00:09:43.620 first you have a king. The king is deposed. He is deposed by a strong nationalist leader,

00:09:50.000 military leader, who then begins nationalizing industry, who begins kicking foreigners out of

00:09:55.560 the country. But then, oh yes, then something happens that's so similar to all of us that in

00:10:01.680 fact, it even features in on humans from last year, because some of these Marxist revolutions,

00:10:08.020 which took place within the context of the cold war were actually, uh, were actually regime

00:10:14.600 changes. So Joshua, what did we write about the Marxist revolution of Afghanistan, which no one

00:10:20.460 talks about, by the way, all the way back when we wrote on humans last year.

00:10:25.580 Yes, that's correct. What the Soviet Union attempted to do in the local communists, 0.63

00:10:31.260 Marxist-Leninists of Afghanistan, bears an eerie resemblance to pretty much everything that

00:10:37.200 happened everywhere else. We identified sort of the three acts of a communist uprising,

00:10:43.280 a far left-wing revolution, whether they call themselves communists or socialists, or dare we

00:10:49.780 say, Democrats, but we're going to pick up and do a little bit of story time with Joshua Lysak

00:10:54.960 featuring the Unhumans book, the chapter Red Hot Cold War. If you have your copy, you may turn to

00:11:00.580 page 179. This is what you do at Christmastime as you read stories. Let's pick it up. It all started

00:11:08.240 back in 1973 with a coup that kicked out the Afghan king and ended the monarchy. Muhammad

00:11:15.000 Daoud Khan, a man of ambition and vision, toppled his cousin, King Zahir Shah, while he was abroad.

00:11:23.700 Overnight, Afghanistan transitioned from a monarchy to a quasi-democratic republic with

00:11:29.740 Daoud at the helm. His initial moves were bold and modern, pushing for women's rights and societal

00:11:36.180 reforms such as, surprise, surprise, land redistribution. But these seemingly anti-Islamic

00:11:44.180 ambitions edged the nation closer to Soviet influence. Radical shifts to modernize Afghanistan

00:11:52.140 rubbed traditionalists the wrong way, and by 1978, simmering tensions exploded in the Sour

00:11:58.860 Revolution. A Marxist-Leninist faction, the People's Democratic Republic of Afghanistan,

00:12:06.380 PDPA, ousted and assassinated Daun in yet another coup. And so the Democratic Republic

00:12:13.180 of Afghanistan was born, with the Soviet Union acting as midwife and a KGB attending. Oh, but 0.52

00:12:21.160 it continues. It continues. We're not done yet. To maintain the early grip on power, the Afghan

00:12:26.640 communists imprisoned, tortured, and executed all who opposed. This is what they do. These brutally 0.97

00:12:33.860 unsurprising tactics sparked a wildfire of resistance across the mountains and valleys of

00:12:38.620 Afghanistan. Enter the Mujahideen, a motley crew of fighters bound by their shared disdain 0.71

00:12:45.520 for the PDPA's atheistic and foreign-backed regime. While some were native Afghans and other

00:12:53.020 Arab volunteers, these simple men united under a common banner of defending their faith and homeland

00:12:59.300 against what they saw as an existential threat. As internal strife escalated, the Soviet Union,

00:13:05.780 Watching its new ally falter to next-generation warfare, as the U.S. recently had in Vietnam,

00:13:12.200 decided to step in.

00:13:14.000 December 1979 marked the beginning of a new chapter as Soviet tanks rolled across the

00:13:20.240 borders into Afghanistan.

00:13:22.200 This wasn't mere intervention.

00:13:23.480 It was a full-scale invasion aimed at a profit of the faltering communist regime.

00:13:30.600 and again we're not done yet with this regime change business listen to this how can we not

00:13:37.320 be done it's not done yet in the u.s charismatic congressman charlie wilson charlie wilson's war

00:13:44.480 now begins pozo here we go well before before we get to charlie wilson's war let's let's let's

00:13:51.300 pause because and i do want to go back so in the sour revolution when they came to the nationalist

00:13:59.160 leader now you mentioned that that they assassinated him were not you know not surprising

00:14:04.960 but joshua and i don't know if we wrote it in the book but you know perhaps in the new updated

00:14:09.920 version of unhumans imagine not owning a copy couldn't be me that uh what did they do with his

00:14:17.340 family what do they always do with his family they killed them all they killed every single one

00:14:24.660 big shock big shock right there they killed him his entire family his wife his children every 0.76

00:14:33.580 single one of them wow i can't imagine not communists doing the same thing they do every 0.94

00:14:38.920 single time not marxists engaging in insane bloodletting and insane violence every time 0.99

00:14:46.640 their revolution expands to another country not not atheists trying to impose their insane 0.90

00:14:54.260 beliefs on a radical religious by the way a radical religious tribal people and so of course

00:15:00.640 this does not work well and so this is what what we what we see responded in when the tribes begin

00:15:09.280 to um you know begin to rise up and they begin to actually fight back against uh against the

00:15:17.940 soviets and so fight back against the new coup the new revolution the new government so that's when

00:15:23.160 the Marxists say, okay, we need more than just the KGB, they put out the call to Moscow,

00:15:28.440 and they say, we need help, or we're not going to win this thing.

00:15:33.200 Yes, that's right. And that's when, shortly thereafter, there were 115,000 Soviet troops

00:15:40.380 sent into Afghanistan. Meanwhile, the CIA launched Operation Cyclone under Charlie Wilson,

00:15:47.120 Congressman Charlie Wilson, who some of you have seen the film Charlie Wilson's War,

00:15:51.400 which depicts the internalism in the united states this fomenting of a righteous war

00:15:57.980 referring to the mujahideen as the good guys the good guys my goodness now one of the organizations

00:16:08.000 that opposed the soviet union and all these troops and tanks and resources was a little

00:16:13.600 group called the taliban my goodness what people generally seem to go ahead oh no i was gonna say

00:16:22.620 what's amazing to me is one of the pictures that you get out of this is of course there's a photo

00:16:28.520 where the mujahideen is meeting with president ronald reagan in the white house in the white

00:16:35.120 house in the united states and he's saying oh this you know this is going to be great we'll work with

00:16:39.760 them. It's, you know, it's amazing. And, you know, my gosh, it's it, when you look at it

00:16:48.860 in a post nine 11 capacity, we're scratching your head saying, how could this possibly have 0.90

00:16:53.760 happened? And what we're explaining and what I hope that we can try to do through this entire

00:16:58.260 series is explain how these things keep happening. I remember, uh, uh, of course there's, um,

00:17:04.640 the great Philip Seymour Hoffman plays Gust Avrakatos in, in the scene, in the movie. And

00:17:12.940 he's in the CIA officer. And he goes, you know, what is it? He goes, remember, he smashes the

00:17:17.580 window and he's like, you're in the business of changing the world. You don't think it's odd.

00:17:21.280 You're in the only business we're doing. Nothing is considered radical, you know? And he's just,

00:17:26.080 he's just saying over and over about how it's, you know, you have to have the political will,

00:17:31.020 You have to have the political will. And, you know, it's over and over and over about how this

00:17:37.820 is a great idea. And actually, we know what it turned into. It turned into the rise of the

00:17:44.920 Pakistani ISI and from which Pakistani intelligence, which basically runs Pakistan

00:17:49.780 today to a great extent with the U.S. deep state, we saw the rise of the low group and the seedbed

00:17:56.860 of what would one day become al-Qaeda, the Taliban's rise, then 9-11, and then eventually

00:18:02.260 the longest war in America's history. And yet, for some reason, we don't talk about it in those

00:18:07.500 terms. So all of it, every single last domino, it's like domino theory actually happens,

00:18:11.880 but it happens with us and not the other way around. And it all begins with this coup in 1978,

00:18:17.440 an invasion in 1979, and this Cold War strategy. And we'll see this throughout this episode and

00:18:23.920 every episode we do that never pauses to ask the most important question. What happens next?

00:18:32.600 What happens next? Jack Posobiec, Joshua Lysak, by the way, make sure you get your copy of Unhumans

00:18:40.100 as well as the new audio book, which features myself as the narrator. Go and get that wherever

00:18:47.900 you can download your audio books. It's got a couple of new chapters in there. So make sure

00:18:52.240 you get those as well. Be right back, Tales of Regime Change, Afghanistan, Great Yard of Empires.

00:19:10.280 The Taliban's rise to power in Afghanistan began in the early 1990s when the group began

00:19:16.280 resting control away from the Mujahideen warlords who controlled the countryside and were engaged

00:19:21.880 in brutal civil conflict. All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back. Tales of regime change,

00:19:28.580 and we're talking about Afghanistan, the graveyard of empire. So now we're in the 1990s. The Soviet

00:19:34.400 Union has collapsed. They've expended themselves. America's patting themselves on the back. Great 0.66

00:19:40.000 job. We did a great regime change. Look at us. And Afghanistan, no longer a battlefield, total

00:19:45.280 vacuum. Soviets are out. America packs up their covert ops, walks away. CIA walks away. But 0.84

00:19:51.260 You don't have a country. You have this shattered mosaic of warlords, factions, armies.

00:19:58.840 The victory over the Red Army did not bring peace at all.

00:20:01.800 What it brought was a quagmire, a civil war. 0.61

00:20:04.900 And who rises to the top of this? The Taliban. 0.95

00:20:09.060 They called themselves the students. 0.94

00:20:11.580 And they were backed by Gulf donors.

00:20:13.640 They were backed by Pakistan's ISI.

00:20:15.700 And believe it or not, early on, the Taliban was backed by the U.S. government as well because they thought the Taliban would be a stabilizing force because they could win the civil war and then stabilize Afghanistan.

00:20:30.500 And the Taliban, of course, was working with a group called al-Qaeda.

00:20:34.960 Now, al-Qaeda and the Taliban rose separately out of the Afghanistan civil war, and there's two different tracks that people have to understand. 0.93

00:20:42.480 So the Taliban were Pashtuns. Pashtuns are the locals of Afghanistan and really live on both

00:20:49.400 sides of the Afghan-Pakistani border. Whereas Al-Qaeda, they are not local. They are Arabs.

00:20:57.180 So Arabs and Pashtuns are two different races. This is something, of course, that the planners

00:21:02.940 in Washington didn't really care about, didn't think it was a big deal, didn't think like it

00:21:07.740 mattered. And of course, as we know, the leader of the Al Qaeda was one of those wealthy scions 0.89

00:21:14.440 of the Gulf nations who used his family's wealth to grow Al Qaeda. And that, of course, was Osama 0.69

00:21:20.760 bin Laden. And Osama bin Laden, as we mentioned, was working with the Mujahideen, was working with

00:21:26.700 U.S. backing, was working with the CIA, was working with others. By the way, Al Qaeda, at this point

00:21:31.320 in the 1990s, was conducting attacks all throughout Africa, conducted attacks even in Southeast Asia,

00:21:37.740 but at the same time was also aiding the United States and various operations in where? Yugoslavia.

00:21:45.620 So this is a very strange situation where you've got al-Qaeda and NATO on the same side of these

00:21:52.360 different regime change wars when all of that breaks apart. And we'll have to, of course,

00:21:56.160 cover Yugoslavia in another segment of Tales of Regime Change. So stay tuned, kids. It'll come 0.62

00:22:03.020 up again. So by 1994, Taliban takes Kandahar, then they take Kabul in 1996. And believe it or not,

00:22:12.260 one of the things the Taliban is known for is public executions of pedophile warlords, 0.95

00:22:19.400 public executions of pedophile warlords, because they were conducting a practice known as Bacha 0.62

00:22:24.820 Bazi. And Bacha Bazi is when the warlords would take the prepubescent boys of the villages and

00:22:32.000 of the areas they controlled and rape them in their tents and in their palaces, and then send

00:22:36.900 them back to the families and would, you know, keep a coterie of these boys around. They would 0.93

00:22:42.820 say girls are for procreation, boys are for fun. And so those were the warlords that the U.S. was

00:22:48.260 backing. The Taliban then became the ones who were executing those warlords. This will come up later.

00:22:54.940 Then the coal bombing happens in 2000 from Al-Qaeda.

00:22:59.520 And of course, 2001, we get 9-11.

00:23:02.700 And the response to 9-11, we all know, Operation Enduring Freedom.

00:23:07.660 So Joshua, at any point, did any of these U.S. planners sit back and think,

00:23:13.580 gosh, perhaps we played a role in starting all of this?

00:23:18.680 Some of you all know, and you do as well, Jack,

00:23:21.780 that Data Republican and I are working on a book on basically the 300-plus-year conflict

00:23:29.480 between what we'll call nationalism and supranationalism.

00:23:36.800 Supranationalism is this idea that your own concept of a nation is beyond the borders of one country.

00:23:45.940 You might have all heard the term globalism, globalization.

00:23:49.140 This is slightly different in that you sort of see yourself as a citizen of the world versus a person from a people with traditions, heritage, and more.

00:24:02.700 This might be the difference between what we like to call heritage Americans versus NPR Americans, sort of people who listen to and consume mainstream media that is as much focused on what's happening on the other side of the planet.

00:24:17.220 And how that affects you today, where you have ideological allies, if you're a liberal, in New Zealand or Canada.

00:24:24.700 And you see yourself as the kin of those individuals if you're an NPR American.

00:24:30.420 So that is the data that we're looking at with the book coming out in 2026.

00:24:35.260 What we trace is this growth of this ideology that we are a global village.

00:24:41.400 We all need to get along.

00:24:42.920 People are interchangeable.

00:24:44.660 if they're not going to play nice and act nice, we can just make them. It's a sort of foreign 1.00

00:24:51.120 policy based on blank slate theory. And generally what we see from these people who are as naive

00:24:59.480 as they are powerful, the supranationalists in the West and elsewhere, oh, we can just get rid

00:25:06.300 of a regime if they're a closed society, to use the phrase popularized by George Soros, who is a,

00:25:12.780 So let's say a star character in my and data Republicans book.

00:25:17.220 And so perpetual intervention, whether it's Afghanistan or it's Syria or it's Libya or

00:25:23.900 it's Iraq, potentially Iran, right?

00:25:27.320 Pick your country.

00:25:28.880 There's this idea that humankind is perfectible.

00:25:32.920 It is a misapplication of enlightenment values, where if you simply create the right structure

00:25:38.580 with the right incentives, you'll get the right results.

00:25:42.720 And so because there's a morality involved here,

00:25:46.760 what did Charlie Wilson say?

00:25:48.460 He called the Mujahideen, quote, the good guys. 0.99

00:25:52.280 That good and evil, and we're on the side of good, 0.91

00:25:55.200 that filter, that mindset,

00:25:57.420 when it's applied to these different scenarios,

00:26:00.500 you end up having a situation where

00:26:02.840 third world interventions bring third world consequences.

00:26:08.720 And it's as if there's a blindness to these consequences. 0.92

00:26:13.840 Well, we should just not let that happen.

00:26:17.800 So you hear the words, directly or indirectly, should just appear amongst the supranationalists,

00:26:25.380 who again, are those individuals who for decades, if not centuries, sort of see themselves as citizens of the world.

00:26:34.040 And so the whole world is in their peer view.

00:26:35.840 Which is why when Donald J. Trump, our president, speaks ill of Haiti or Somalia, for example, they get all offended.

00:26:45.220 How dare they speak about Somalia?

00:26:47.360 They're just like us.

00:26:49.540 Their culture is the same.

00:26:51.840 The ideology is so funny when you actually break it down.

00:26:56.140 All right, folks, we'll be right back in our next segment on this. 0.73

00:27:00.280 Afghanistan, graveyard of empires.

00:27:03.300 Tales of regime change.

00:27:05.840 We just got a report in that there's been some sort of explosion at the World Trade Center in

00:27:16.540 New York City. One report said a plane may have hit one of the two towers. The United States

00:27:24.040 military has begun strikes against al-Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations

00:27:30.420 of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back. This is

00:27:35.840 tales of regime change graveyard of empires afghanistan and so folks we get we've come to

00:27:44.760 the part of the story where we begin the forever war america's longest war 2002 to 2021 think of

00:27:53.980 that 19 years of warfare really 20 years if you consider uh the original october 2001 beginning

00:28:02.760 of Operation Enduring Freedom. So Taliban falls in 2001. And then what America attempts to do

00:28:09.880 is dismantle their regime, but then lay a liberal Jeffersonian regime based on American ideals on

00:28:21.340 top of it. And they just believe that democracy would pop up and flourish in, and I'm just going

00:28:27.820 to say it. Uh, they believe that centralized elections, government, civil institutions,

00:28:33.020 individual rights, professionalized security forces, and a free market economy, uh, complete

00:28:37.860 with women's rights, gay rights. I'm sure today are up to the, you know, parts of the administration

00:28:44.800 we're trying to push, uh, transgender rights at one point that they could impose this on a low 0.95

00:28:51.420 IQ, tribal, hyper-religious culture that's existed for thousands of years and still practices

00:29:00.380 cousin marriage, that they could just use the force of will of Washington, D.C. So you've got

00:29:07.420 George Bush, you know, kind of on the, you know, the military front, the, you know, we're going to

00:29:14.380 fight and we're going to win. But then you've also on the other side got George Soros, who's pushing

00:29:18.980 liberal democracy and liberal hegemony. And in a way, and people might not think of this,

00:29:24.620 but George Bush and George Soros were almost aligned on this because they both were and are

00:29:31.260 globalists. Joshua Lysak, why is it that the nation building project in Afghanistan was such

00:29:41.420 a failure? One of the reasons it's such a failure is that the supranationalist 0.90

00:29:47.660 neoliberal ideology doesn't really work outside of the Western world. For example,

00:29:56.360 what are American values versus what are Pashtun values? What are the values of these pedophile 1.00

00:30:03.920 warlords and why are we aligning themselves with them? We all know individuals who were

00:30:10.460 serving on the ground and even in combat during the global war on terror and the horror stories

00:30:16.620 that they brought back that sadly drove many of our best men and women to claim their own lives

00:30:24.540 was the inability to stop the pedophilia that they witnessed over there, that they had to

00:30:32.780 back off. It's just a cultural custom. Don't judge. That is the trouble with supranationalist

00:30:40.360 neoliberalism is because they're simply incompatible. And yet there's a naivety that

00:30:46.900 persists. What shocks so many people who look into this is you realize that George W. Bush,

00:30:52.780 and George H. W. Bush before him, and George Soros, the two Georges, were by and large

00:30:58.680 ideologically aligned. Listen to this from December 3rd, 2001. The United States and its

00:31:07.740 allies are winning the war on Afghanistan, wrote George Soros. Now listen to this. As yet,

00:31:16.840 there's a little clear thinking about what that means in practice and how we can ensure,

00:31:21.200 here we go, a broader victory by helping to build a genuinely free, open, and prosperous society

00:31:29.860 in Afghanistan. Free, open, and prosperous. So the idea is, as a sort of citizen of the world,

00:31:39.920 where all nations are part of my purview, neoliberal, meaning we can bring secular

00:31:46.920 enlightenment values to everyone. And he goes on to talk about the basic necessities. He starts

00:31:53.740 to sound like a public school teacher about health care rights and education, technology,

00:32:00.140 hospitals, the sort of staples of Western society. He starts talking about roads,

00:32:05.540 for instance, here. And then he says the best organization, this is where he does go at odds

00:32:11.000 with George Bush. He says that the best organization to rebuild Afghanistan, to make it a prosperous

00:32:15.780 and free society, is not the United States. It's the United Nations, which has a record of

00:32:23.200 demonstrated incompetence everywhere there is a nation building or a regime change effort.

00:32:32.280 One of the patterns that we witness with regime change across place, place, time, and race

00:32:39.720 is a three-act structure. We saw this with communist revolution, but the three-act structure,

00:32:45.180 the rule of three, seems to be persistent across our physical reality and our human reality.

00:32:53.200 And here it is again, and we'll see this also in Iraq and Syria and elsewhere, where Act

00:32:59.360 One is this sort of demonization and preparation, where you have to build the moral case with

00:33:07.640 your own people that we need to go over there, right?

00:33:11.880 We fight them over there, so we won't fight them over here.

00:33:14.940 Yeah, how did that turn out, right?

00:33:16.700 We ended up importing them, sending them over here, right?

00:33:19.440 which Data Republican acknowledges is the George Sorosian solution to nation building after the

00:33:27.060 global war on terror. You know, we can't really, we have trouble democratizing their spaces,

00:33:33.380 so we just bring the populations here instead. And then we can learn how to train them to be

00:33:39.120 good little neoliberal supranationalists and explore a prosperous, free, and open society,

00:33:45.540 open means you're open to influences, you're a cosmopolitan. But the trouble is, there's very

00:33:52.860 little cultural similarity between your New York Times subscriber and a pedophile warlord. Those 0.92

00:34:01.040 are two different tribes, different realities even, and they simply do not mix. How do we treat 1.00

00:34:08.760 these uncontacted tribes in the Amazon? How does the government of Brazil treat them?

00:34:14.000 What about Sentinel Island? Everyone knows about the Sentinel Island, right? As in that there are laws against going there. Why is it that we have those laws, those policies, and yet we pick a nation like Afghanistan or Iraq, and we need to charge headlong in there, but first demonize the leader, say we have to go there, or there's the good guy, we got to stop the bad guys, right?

00:34:39.620 That's stage one where you make the moral case for it.

00:34:43.360 And then you have act two or stage two, which is where you execute the change and often

00:34:49.260 execute your enemies.

00:34:50.680 That's where there's intervention, there's overthrow, there's direct invasion, there's

00:34:54.800 airstrikes, there's proxy support for, in this case, the Jahedin and then the Taliban.

00:35:01.760 And finally, after there's been chaos and bloodshed and destruction, you come in to

00:35:06.400 do act three.

00:35:07.160 That's the aftermath, the consolidation. You try to install your people. And this is where George Soros advises a neoliberal supranationalist order.

00:35:20.140 And what's amazing is that, you know, when you look at it from a military perspective, it's the U.S. military was always able to win in, you know,

00:35:35.160 one city or one battle or whatever it might be. But the problem was it was the George Soros angle

00:35:40.920 that kept failing because they would keep trying to build this central liberal, um, government,

00:35:47.520 neoliberal government, which would constantly keep collapsing because again, we're propping up the 0.74

00:35:52.560 pedophile warlords. We're saying it's just their culture. We're working with people who the local 0.63

00:35:57.100 populace hates because they can see that we're the ones who are propping them up. And they look

00:36:03.160 at us as the invader because we broke every single rule of fourth generation warfare. 0.63

00:36:09.420 You run in with tanks and bombs and then say, you should love us because we've killed your 0.94

00:36:15.340 children and blown up your cities. You should fly the American flag. We've liberated you. Don't you 0.99

00:36:21.360 see? And we've never once considered how it might look to the local populace. Then, oh, by the way,

00:36:27.620 yes, we're going to we're going to prop up all these ideals that run completely counter 0.94

00:36:32.120 to islam which run completely counter to your cultural mores which run completely counter

00:36:37.520 to everything that you believe and that because afghanistan wasn't a blank slate there are no

00:36:42.020 blank slates in the world blank slate doesn't exist the blank slate does not exist it never has

00:36:46.500 and these blank slaters need to go and then they would say oh well and and we're just going to show

00:36:51.100 how good we are so we're going to open our doors we're going to open our doors so and people miss

00:36:55.480 this i want to get in because i know we only have a minute left in this segment but i want to get

00:36:58.280 this in, that people forget that although Bush did the surge in Iraq, the surge in Afghanistan

00:37:03.520 was 2009. That was Barack Obama. So Barack Obama is the one who expands the war in Afghanistan,

00:37:12.620 keeps it going throughout his administration, even though he campaigned on ending it,

00:37:16.600 and continues, of course, the drone war, which, you know, it crosses into Pakistan.

00:37:20.780 And it's all in furtherance of this insane neoliberal project. That's what Obama did.

00:37:27.400 So Obama is the one who continues the surge in Afghanistan.

00:37:31.940 Trump tries throughout his first term to get them out. 0.93

00:37:34.640 Doesn't happen.

00:37:35.800 Then Biden comes in.

00:37:39.420 And of course, we are going to get to that in the next segment, 2021.

00:37:46.020 What happened if the 20 years of American involvement of a forever war in a country

00:37:52.400 low IQ and cousin marriage still exists?

00:37:56.140 Jack Posobiec, Joshua Leisinger.

00:38:06.240 President Biden announced the end to the U.S. war in Afghanistan from the same spot

00:38:11.820 in the White House Treaty Room as President George W. Bush announced its beginning 20 years ago.

00:38:18.560 It's time to end America's longest war.

00:38:20.880 well folks we're now in the spring of 2021 the accelerated drawdown u.s bases empty overnight

00:38:32.360 contractors vanish air support disappears the fragile afghan state which washington and the

00:38:37.440 united states spent two decades propping up suddenly had to stand on its own guess what

00:38:43.360 it folded faster than saigon every capital fell afghan soldiers abandoned their weapons vehicles

00:38:50.480 even entire bases. They switched sides, negotiated surrenders, or simply walked home.

00:38:55.960 The Taliban advanced faster than anyone thought possible. They entered Kabul on August 15th,

00:39:03.300 2021 without resistance. This was not a conquest. This is key. It was the unmasking of a political

00:39:11.820 illusion that Washington had been pushing for 20 years. The ministries, the armies,

00:39:18.820 the police, the courts, it was all fake. As the kids say, it was all fake and gay because it 1.00

00:39:25.760 collapsed in days. And we saw the images, the helicopters evacuating the U.S. embassy, 0.99

00:39:31.940 Afghans clinging to aircraft, crowds flooding the airport. The very scenes that America swore

00:39:36.600 would never happen again, happened again. And the media and no one, no one in Washington sat down

00:39:43.320 and actually asked themselves, they want to point the blame. Oh, it's Trump's fault. Oh,

00:39:46.880 it's this fault, it's that fault, it's the military's fault, it's the Afghan's fault, 0.75

00:39:49.960 it's Ashraf Ghani's fault, or perhaps could it have been the fault of telling ourselves

00:39:59.200 the wrong story? Were perhaps we telling ourselves a story that American values and

00:40:07.860 liberal democracy can flood around the world and that this will work every place that it's tried? 0.97

00:40:14.200 were we telling ourselves a story that we wanted to believe and most importantly were the afghans

00:40:23.760 listening to that story or were they perhaps telling themselves their own story joshua lisek

00:40:32.060 you are the master of using story and explaining how story and the stories that we tell ourselves

00:40:39.020 activate our minds, activate our beliefs, activate, and they drive our social policy.

00:40:45.300 Do you agree with me that this was, in addition to being a clash of civilization, a clash of

00:40:51.000 cultures, it was, in fact, a clash of stories? To quote Mike Cernovich, all media is narrative.

00:41:01.140 To quote Joshua Lysak, all history is ghostwritten. It was ghostwritten by the victors,

00:41:07.560 specifically the victors who can't afford to hire the people to write the history.

00:41:12.740 And one of the issues with neglect for the facts is we forget how these things go every single time.

00:41:23.340 I'm reminded of our sort of founding mythos that you had George Washington,

00:41:29.780 you had the Continental Congress in our own country.

00:41:32.340 We had this grand vision.

00:41:33.980 We had these glorious values.

00:41:35.560 we had Christian faith, we had Greek and Roman and Northern European and the early books of the

00:41:44.320 Bible, Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and so on, that all came together to provide the foundational ideas

00:41:49.900 for this wonderful American experiment. But when you look at the actual military conflict

00:41:56.620 between the Minutemen and the militia under Washington and his officers versus the Grand

00:42:02.200 British Empire, the irony, the absolute irony, is you see something closer, rather than the sort of

00:42:10.780 wonderful, let's say, organized warfare and on the battlefield, what you more so see is something

00:42:19.120 akin to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, or perhaps Russian soldiers in the winter being attacked by

00:42:28.000 every single empire that's ever attacked them from German to French. One of the most interesting

00:42:33.820 stories from the American Revolutionary period is General John Burgoyne and his pursuit of George

00:42:39.840 Washington's army for a number of months during the Louis upstate New York, Pennsylvania sort of

00:42:46.720 a region where Burgoyne against Washington won battle after battle after battle. But it was the

00:42:56.540 heat and the humidity of summer swamps that did his army in. It was the geography that outlasted

00:43:05.820 the British Empire there. And eventually, by the time Bergoin caught up with Washington,

00:43:12.140 they were done. They surrendered. They quit. So Joshua, are you saying that perhaps

00:43:17.940 the terrain has a vote? That perhaps the people have a vote? The culture has a vote?

00:43:26.080 that the law of unintended consequences always wins in the final round. And look, I'll just say

00:43:35.180 again, folks, I served at Guantanamo Bay. I spent a year down there. I worked in the interrogation

00:43:41.280 cell. And I saw these guys up close and personal. I am not speaking from something that I've read.

00:43:50.300 I'm not speaking just from something that I've seen on the movies or something. I'm speaking

00:43:55.720 as a guy who actually met Taliban members and Al-Qaeda members and all the rest,

00:44:02.240 this is what they believe. And I know what they believe because I heard them say it from their

00:44:07.420 own mouths. Sometimes they're translators, sometimes even in perfect English. They fully

00:44:13.120 are committed to radical Islam. They are fully committed to believing that Islam should take 1.00

00:44:19.480 over the world and that they should rightfully be the rulers of all nations, that they want to 1.00

00:44:26.580 spread their caliphate throughout all borders, throughout all of Christendom, throughout all 0.91

00:44:31.920 of China, throughout all of North America. And they want all of us to be subjugated. This is 0.62

00:44:38.060 simply what they believe is what they told themselves. And guess what? That was the story

00:44:43.660 that beat America in Afghanistan for 20 years. Because while we imposed our story of, oh, 0.82

00:44:51.660 you can be liberated, they said, we don't want to be liberated. We want to be proud Muslims

00:44:58.700 who believe in our God. And that fervent belief carried them through 20 years of this fight.

00:45:07.080 and also the terrain that they have on their side, the advantage, the cultural advantage.

00:45:13.520 That is why when you go to Afghanistan today, you will see the Taliban still in charge. 0.63

00:45:20.240 We had the hubris. We believe that we can control outcomes from thousands of miles away.

00:45:25.180 We believe that our values were universal, that everyone would just believe what we believe,

00:45:30.800 and that our good intentions would override all of these local realities.

00:45:36.420 It's not true. You know, folks, the graveyard of empires doesn't beat outsiders. It outlasts them.

00:45:46.800 And it outlasts them every time. Josh Rolisek, let me get a final minute wrap up from you.

00:45:54.860 On the topic of American storytelling, one of the most, another interesting story that maps

00:46:00.740 onto this, and this is why the neoliberal experiment fails every single time. The British

00:46:05.260 empire applied that same mindset to the American colonies. Of course, we've retold ourselves this

00:46:10.480 glorious new story, but the British empire and the southern colonies, they backed what we might call 0.90

00:46:17.460 the rednecks who were loyalists living in the backwoods of the southern colonies rather than 0.82

00:46:23.260 ally with the local southern aristocracy. And what ended up happening by them equipping the 0.89

00:46:30.640 backwoods Scots-Irish who despised the uptight, hoity-toity southern colonists. They engaged in 0.52

00:46:38.760 total warfare, murdering entire families, including the women and the children, the Scots-Irish

00:46:45.300 loyalists did, who were given power, who were given resources. And it absolutely horrified

00:46:50.820 the British that they had created this massive bloodshed. And that, of course, created propaganda, 0.94

00:46:56.480 which then turned the entirety against the british experiment ironically the united states

00:47:02.440 and it with its geography and its unique cultural situation was the graveyard of the british fire

00:47:07.640 this is why it's so important that we learn our own politically incorrect history and we separate

00:47:13.880 which is ghost written by the victors versus that which actually happened that's far darker than

00:47:20.340 most of us are prepared to read folks this has been episode one tales of regime change

00:47:29.820 graveyard of empires afghanistan i'm jack sobek and next time we'll follow the pattern to a new

00:47:37.320 front another intervention another mission another set of promises and another chapter

00:47:42.880 in the story of how great powers

00:47:45.360 Please, yeah, everybody.

00:47:47.360 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, have my permission to reassure you.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 29, 2025

Tales of Regime Change： Afghanistan — Graveyard of Empires

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